LIVE Reaction to Manchester Terror Attack - Ex-Police Detective, Peter Bleksley

30:08Because I've heard a lot of people make the comparison with Northern Ireland. And for the reasons you give, I think it's completely inappropriate for the very reasons that you state, because Northern Irish terrorism in the mainland of Britain was about achieving the political end of a united Ireland. Yeah. And let's say the government of the day had been willing to do that. we would not have had terrorism in this country. But I don't even know if the British state was prepared to surrender to Islamism, might well be at this point, frankly, what the surrender would be. Like, what do these people want from us exactly?

30:44Why are they killing our fellow citizens? What are their objectives? What is it that they want exactly? I don't think anybody knows. I do. You do? Okay, tell me.

30:53Peter Bleksley:You don't have to delve too deeply into social media to find many, many videos of people saying we're here to take over. Oh, you can see them. You can see them on social media. They're quite simple to find. They will pop up on my timeline from time to time. People saying we are here to take over. Simple. It's a plan. Now, of course, I sincerely hope that's a plan that will never come to succeed and can be thwarted and won't be the desire of the moderate Muslims, but is the desire of the lunatics off-the-scale radical Islamists. You know, it's Friday, so I'll probably go for a curry tonight. My local curry house is amazing and it's run by it.

31:51Peter Bleksley:Muslim fellas, right? The father, who's since retired, originally came over from Bangladesh 40-odd years ago, ran the business, drew it, wonderful restaurant, amazing, a real kind of centre point for the community. And he's handed it over to his boy now, okay, who's a lovely fella. And I say to him a few weeks ago, getting my curry, I said to him, you know, what do I say? to people who are concerned about the rise of Islam and are concerned about people who claim that they're here to take over and not to live side by side and contribute. And he says, well, he says, it's them not, isn't he? Because, of course, there's a huge great division, isn't there, in Islam between Sunni and Shia.

32:42Peter Bleksley:He said, it's them, he said, it's not us. He said, my dad came here 40 years ago, built this business, provided our family with a great living. He said, why would I want to change anything? He said, I love this country. I love running this business. I love customers like you, Peter, and everybody else. I don't want anything to change. But of course, his moderate, as I would call it, version of his faith that he follows is very, very different, I would suggest, to somebody who went to a synagogue in Manchester yesterday. So coming back to ways of dealing with this problem, what are your thoughts?

33:25What can be done?

33:29Peter Bleksley:I'm not the most learned man on the planet, as I've made blatantly obvious. I'm an ex-cop and a keen observer of life. I think the problems are probably multiple. people you how do we stop people being radicalized in this day and age of the Internet very very difficult I would suggest I think there's a huge responsibility on people the company's country or live in this country to have concern compassion for their fellow citizen if I knew that either of you were a danger, I would be on the phone within the blink of an eye because I love my fellow citizens and I love this nation. If anybody has a suspicion or they know that somebody is a danger and they do not notify the authorities of that, then they are an enemy of this state.

34:41but the problem is Peter there is a lot of people like that we've seen it we're not just with this particular crime but crimes going back 20 30 years you look at the member of the grooming gangs family members were covering it up and you just go wives wives covering up for their rapist husband daughters with sons all the rest of it and you think to yourself these are people who have no alliance. They have no connection to this country. Their only connection is to their clan, to put it quite frankly, or to their religion. And you go, this is not sustainable. And I genuinely think that unless we are prepared, and by us, I mean the political class, to have a very uncomfortable conversation about this, that's got to be the first step.

35:31But we can't even have an uncomfortable conversation without saying, oh, we need to stop online hate.

35:37Peter Bleksley:I'm up for the uncomfortable conversation. I know. I'm up for seeing people deported out of this country, and I don't care how big of the numbers are. If they've come here illegally, they break our laws, they don't contribute, then ta-da. I mean, give me the shackles. I'll gladly wrap them around the ankles and the wrists and march them onto an aeroplane. but the problem comes when you have people like jihad himself he came to this country he's a british citizen now he came here as a young boy so we you're going to make the argument okay well he could be stripped of his british citizenship but we know that's not going to happen what are you going to send him back to syria there is no way in a million years that that was going to be allowed to happen even if he provided the level if they knew he provided the level of threat that he did.

36:28Peter Bleksley:And he hadn't been sent to his maker by Greater Manchester Police. Yeah. Yeah. It's complex. It's very complex and I completely agree with you when you say it's going to require brave conversations. I look at some parts of London these days. And of course I'm old enough to remember Brixton and Notting Hill when they became centres for Afro-Caribbean communities that drew one another together and lived together. And, of course, I policed Beckham where there was a sizable Afro-Caribbean population. But some of the swathes of East London and other major cities, there's talk about Evochdales, Oldham's, and so on and so forth, where there's communities that don't look very integrated to me in any way, shape or form,

37:37Peter Bleksley:is it an intractable problem? Do we all just have to say, well, that's how it is. Governments aren't going to do anything about it. It's too difficult. So we'll all just go on that slippery slope to however it might end up. I'll tell you how I think it would end up if things are not done. I don't think we'll have a civil war in this country. because I don't believe there's that greater division, to be perfectly frank. But I could see a holy war happening at some point down the line. What do you mean by that? I could see people rising up to fight against if there became a significant amount of people that followed one particular faith that was hugely damaging and wanted to take over, like some of those clowns on social media claim they do, then I could see a huge number of people rising up to take that on head on.

38:33This is the worrying thing. The fact that you actually said that and a few years ago, I'd be like, oh, come on, Peter, chill out, mate. Let's keep within the realms of reality here. But you're saying that and I'm going, well, that's not outside the realms of possibility because that's where it feels that we are.

38:53Peter Bleksley:And I don't want to see it. Of course I don't want to see it, but there is so much discontent out there in a country. Was it 2037 in the last five days? I know that's a very visible and visceral and emotional side of the whole migration debate. Look at the figures last week. The UK's population increased in a year by what? 750 ,000. What was that almost entirely down to? migration. Right? It's... But see, we talk about having uncomfortable conversations, but even in this conversation, we're conflating things that I think are... I understand why people keep talking about immigration, but I think we have to be honest.

39:42Ukrainians are not storming synagogues with knives. Hong Kongers are not blowing themselves up on tubes. Polish people aren't doing jihad. This isn't an immigration problem.

39:55Peter Bleksley:And if we were to Google terrorist attack carried out by Jewish man in northern Europe, you wouldn't find it. So this isn't about immigration. And that's and that's where I think we get into a lot of difficulty, because the mainstream media is already in overdrive mode to, you know, the Emily Maitlis and John Soppel on their podcast yesterday. They were talking about the fact that the real problem is the right wing journalists who are exploiting this tragedy. They're unhinged. Just move on from those two. Well, you say that, but I think if this was just random people on social media, I think we would move on because, you know, there's a spectrum of opinions.

40:40Some people are stupid. Some people are devious, frankly. But Emily Maitlis and John Soppel are two former respected, I'm using inverted commas for people who are listening, authoritative using inverted commas, balanced inverted commas, unbiased inverted commas, stalwarts of the BBC, the national broadcaster, until like two years ago. Right. So we are talking about the very core of the center of the mainstream media in this country. And what they're already attempting to do is to distract people's attention away from the fact that this type of terrorism and this type of incident is coming from a very particular subset of the migrant population.

41:23Radical Islam. Radical Islam. And the reason they're doing this is very clear, because one of the things that you see Shabana Mahmoud, the Home Secretary, talk about this, you know, this guy was, how did she phrase it? I don't want to get it wrong, but he is the only one responsible. Something like this, right? So attempting to make this a kind of lone wolf type of situation. When I, we don't know exactly what's happened here, but, you know, if you call your son jihad, it sort of feels like that might cause some problems down the line. No! No, no struggle to live a virtuous life.

41:57Peter Bleksley:Nothing to do with holy war. No, not at all. And so I guess what I'm saying is one of the reasons that they're attempting to say that Islamism has nothing to do with Islam, I mean, how you can say anything of that kind with a straight face is hard to understand, is that the inevitable logical conclusion of believing that Islamism has something to do with Islam is what you said, which is if you have 4 million people who are the overwhelming majority of whom are peaceful and law-abiding and wonderful people and so on. But if a small percentage of the Muslim community are prone to this kind of extremism, then the greater your Muslim population, the greater the absolute number of people in your country who are prone to this kind of extremism.

42:44And the logical conclusion of that is you have to stop pretending that all immigrants are the same. You have to stop pretending that all cultures are the same. you have to stop pretending that all religions are the same, as you pointed out about Jewish terrorism in Europe. It's not happening, right? And then, unfortunately, you have to start dealing with the reality that not everyone is the same. And that is the greatest threat to everything that we are forced to believe because then you have to start treating different people differently. You have to start saying, well, according to the numbers, people who have come from this particular part of Syria are way more likely than other people to commit terrorism or rape or whatever.

43:23And therefore, if we are going to allow people from that part of the world to come, if we are going to do that at all, we have to have extra vetting. We have to be extra thorough. We definitely have to close the bloody border because when your border is open, you don't know who's coming in. But all of that makes our elite so uncomfortable that what they would rather do is what Francis is talking about. When David Ames gets murdered by an Islamist, let's talk about online hey when this happens let's talk about not looking back in anger as they did after the manchester arena bombing and that's why i think you guys are talking about having an honest conversation the honest conversation is not all cultures are the same and not all religions are the same and until we recognize that we're not going to do anything

44:08Peter Bleksley:about this problem i guarantee you that i agree entirely yeah of course not all cultures are the and not all religions are the same. I'm fortunate not to be burdened by religion. I ran down my throat as a kid, but I'm not a person of faith as an adult. And I like being deliciously unburdened. I've got time, of course, for faith, and so many of my friends have faith. Faith is really important to them. So I respect it. And I've got a bit of an obsession with religious architecture. um go to the milan cathedral if you know and i can mention other places i've been but um back getting back on message well so people make this are an irrelevancy as far as i'm concerned because i would never listen to them i had the misfortune to read something of theirs once upon a time and they're quite frankly in my opinion unhinged and such a lunatic leftists that it's they're not worth.

45:09But they're the mainstream. I'm not trying to put a target on their back or get people to dislike them more than they do. I think they do a brilliant job of that themselves. My point about them is not individual to them. My point about them is they are the mainstream. They are the people who are just like you had religion rammed down your throat. These are the people who've been rammed down our throats for the last 20 years by the neutral, unbiased BBC. That's who is setting the narrative on this stuff.

45:41Peter Bleksley:But now they're not at the BBC. We all have the power to go off. That's true. Or change the channel. We don't have to listen to those people. I occasionally listen to another unhinged lunatic left broadcaster just because I want to know what the enemy are thinking. But I normally suffer it only for about 10 minutes and then I have to get a grip of myself once again and move back to sanity. Because the big issue that's coming out of those appalling events of yesterday now is not only the protests that took part last night in Whitehall, but the protests that are planned for tomorrow, Saturday. It's Defend Our Juries, isn't it, in Trafalgar Square on Saturday.

46:31Peter Bleksley:and I don't know what ragtag and bobtail lot it was last night in Whitehall but I saw many of them I was travelling through Westminster Tube Station and they come with these packages over their shoulders the poles of the banners are poking out in front of them and the sort of part of the placard is over their shoulder and I was attempting to go and buy some of them some soap but anyway moving on yeah should those but the language that came out from shabana mamood and robert jenrich today was pathetic they were like oh um i think jenrich said do the decent thing and don't protest tomorrow and mamood said something else along very similar lines well if you're displaying such weakness and not being fervent and not saying, actually, you're not having your protest tomorrow because it's inappropriate, because we may have received some information that there might be disorder, some intelligence, for example, and you've only got to look at last night to know that there's disorder.

47:43Peter Bleksley:Talk to last night, right? The amount of people that met in Whitehall for that protest, which turned ugly early, was tiny compared to the Unite the Kingdom march. Okay? Unite the Kingdom, correct me if I'm wrong, there were 26 arrests. Did you see how Shabana Mahmood got up at the Labour Party conference and banged on about it? Okay? We did. Not only that, by the way, Peter, I'm sure you know this, most of the arrests were actually among the counter-protesters too. In Greece. Let's just give her that one, right? Okay? Let her have that, right? and of course there was some assaults on police officers.

48:23Peter Bleksley:And let me just make it clear, if you assault a police officer, you're an idiot, right? If you misbehave yourself at a protest or a demonstration, you're an idiot and I don't want anything to do with you. Anyway, so last night there were 40 arrests, regrettably six police officers injured. So on a pro rata basis, last night was way, way, way, They almost infinitesimally worse behaved, more dangerous than the Unite the Kingdom march ever was. So they can ban a march if they've got credible intelligence. There will be disorder. I would say, well, last night's protest, if it's anything to go by, would give me plenty of reason to suspect there will be disorder on Saturday.

49:17Peter Bleksley:Ban it. Stop them. Don't have it. I mean, they're disrespectful last night and Saturday. I mean, look, I completely agree with you. I think her argument was is that legally that she can't. That was her argument, which you're disputing. Well, if the police can't gather intelligence to say that there would be significant disorder. let's just wait and see I guarantee there'll be significant disorder so why haven't the police got their ear close to the ground why are they not gathering that intelligence why are they not privy to that information it makes those pro-Palestine demonstrators look absolutely abhorrent when I saw that that was going ahead I was genuinely shocked Peter I thought there has just been a horrific...

50:13Were you shocked? You don't remember October the 8th? Yeah. So, look, let's stop pretending. On October the 8th, there were people who were protesting against Israel before Israel had done anything. Yeah. They were not protesting against Israel. They were celebrating the mass murder of Jews. That's what they were celebrating. Let's be honest. So why are you shocked? Let's stop being shocked.

50:35Peter Bleksley:Now, I know there are some Jewish people that go on these pro-Palestinian marches. I've heard some of them on the media talking to them and such like. And of course there are. But I believe overwhelmingly these protests are filled with Jewish hating people. Absolutely convinced of it. because are you really going to be fervently pro-Palestine if you don't really dislike Israel?

51:15There are, you know, for our channel, I've gone along to a number of those protests and I talk to people there. And I think it's fair to say that, of course, the hardcore you're talking about definitely exists. I also think, actually, the majority, I would say, of the people there are people who are very captured, you might say, or very badly affected by the horrific images they're seeing from the conflict in Gaza. This is really the first conflict, urban warfare type of situation in human history where it's been broadcast through the smartphone into people's living rooms in that way. And a lot of the young people in particular who go along to those protests, they're not there because they hate Jews or even hate Israel.

52:02A lot of them are just horrified by what they see and they don't have the understanding of war, urban warfare, conflict, history, to contextualize it in any way. So all they're really there to say is I have this horrible image on my phone and it makes me feel bad and therefore I feel like I'm

52:21Peter Bleksley:doing something have they not listened to the stated aims and the primary goal of hamas no they haven't really no they haven't oh so i there's a clip on our channel peter that i go and talk to some young people and they have a sign which is which says uh something something uh socialist intifada i they have a sign which says socialist intifada and i go up to them and i say what's a socialist intifada? And the guy goes, well, I actually don't know because I picked up the sign over there. And I said, well, do you know what the word intifada means? There was about five or six people in that circle.

52:59Not one of them knew what intifada means. They don't know anything. It's hard to imagine they don't know anything. So the reason I'm interjecting with this is I think it's really important for us not to dismiss the entire group of people as Jew haters or whatever because we have to believe that young people look we're all young people once were you

53:20Peter Bleksley:the most educated the smartest no we still not and i thank you by the way they're putting me straight well what i'm saying i'm not even putting you straight i just i just think we have to believe always that young people can be persuaded with knowledge information maturity time uh you know i have lots of opinions that i've changed in the last 10 years francis has you probably have as well. So I don't want to dismiss all of them as that because we're going to have to win a lot of them over to the side of sanity. And we're going to have to persuade them to look at Hamas' stated goal, to understand the history of conflict, to understand what war is like generally and why you ought not to start wars that you then end up losing, why you shouldn't use human shields, why you shouldn't take hostages, you know, all of this stuff.

54:08When you educate yourself about things, it gives you a different perspective. And we are going to need those young people to open their minds. If we just dismiss them as haters now, I think it's a bad part together. Thank you. And it's also as well, look, we know that when you're young, your friends are the most important thing to you at that time. And if all of your mates are pro-Palestine and talking about a genocide, and it's not just, by the way, I was in a cab on the way here to the studio, James O 'Brien was using the word openly, genocide. several times over a four-minute period on LBC, which goes out to 1.4 million people just in London.

54:48And that's just one person. Think how often it's been repeated, not just in the mainstream, but on social media. So these people think that there is this genocide happening. So to them, it's the morally right thing to do. And I just think that we all need better messaging and we all need to be able to connect and go across the threshold and actually be able to persuade these people, this path that you're going down is not a good one. It's not a good one, and it's going to lead to something very, very ugly, which is what we saw yesterday.

55:26Peter Bleksley:Indeed. Well, Peter, we have lots of questions, I think, suspect for all of us coming in. If people are watching, if you'd like to submit a question, of course, our Substack supporters, you have First Dibs. We've got a bunch of your questions that we'll read out in a moment. In the meantime, do, if you want to send in a super chat, we'll try and get a few of those in as well. We're going to go to an ad break if we're ready. And then when we come back, we will look at all your questions, put them to Peter. We'll discuss them among each other and continue the conversation. We are that close to a situation where you basically need a digital ID to go online.

56:03The right to work is the first one, then the right to rent, banking, education, childcare, voting. Five billion was wasted last time this country tried to introduce digital IDs. That's about 50 times the amount of the border security command. Very, very clearly, this isn't about immigration. The Starmer government has just introduced mass banks buying powers on the premise of rooting out welfare fraud. The Home Office right now is supporting essentially an expansion of live facial recognition across multiple police forces. The time to really put up a fight is now.

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1:00:53Francis, go ahead. J.S. Powell asks a great question, which is Starmer's response to this attack seems woefully inadequate. What would be the right response and associated actions thereafter?

1:01:05Peter Bleksley:after i think starmer gets blown by whatever political wind is blowing on any given day to be perfectly honest with you um it was a very predictable photo opportunity of going up there with his wife but i could imagine why his wife would want to go there she is of jewish heritage so um that i think is understandable i think i would be saying if i was the leader of the country which of course I'll never beat, saying to the police, give me the intelligence that says there's going to be disorder at the protest on Saturday, then we can stop it. This is from Helen who says, what legal consequences should and will there be for the imams of the four British mosques recently shown on videos encouraging their followers to kill Jews?

1:01:55I'm not aware of this. I don't know if this is... I haven't seen it. Yeah. But if that is happening, is that a crime?

1:02:03Peter Bleksley:Yes, of course it is. It's a crime to call upon people to kill another person. It's very much a crime. If there is such footage, please send it to the police. I beg of you, send it to the police so that they can deal with it appropriately. You say that, Peter, and I'm sure that's the right thing to do. I'm just remembering only a week ago there was a trial for a man who wielded a knife and attempted to stab someone who was burning a Quran. He got off with a custodial sentence. Yes, he was convicted of crimes connected to that event, but he didn't receive a custodial sentence. I think the whole different issue now of activist judges within the UK is something that very much needs to be looked at.

1:02:53Peter Bleksley:And we are fortunately having people that are exposing the background of many of our judges, particularly those who sit on immigration tribunals, for example. and make decisions relating to deportation. We're seeing so many of those who have previously been attached to either chambers, barristers' chambers, that did human rights work, so you would imagine there could be a bias there, or people that have judges who are now judges who have worked for refugee charities, for example. Then how on earth could you expect anybody to give an impartial and unbalanced judgment when sitting presiding over such cases.

1:03:41Peter Bleksley:They need exposing. And, you know, it's interesting. I was talking to a judge some time ago, basically talking, and he was saying, look, I don't say this publicly, but our profession has been captured. There you go. There you go. Nailbunny asks, are the police prepared for what may be coming? Do we need the military involved? There's been many an occasion when I've thought, should we get the military involved? I mean, what does that mean? What does that mean to get the military involved? Because most people wouldn't understand. Well, look, I was not in Egypt. I was in Uzbekistan a couple of months ago, right?

1:04:17Outside of every mosque, because they used to have a problem with Islamic terrorism. They don't anymore because they dealt with it. There's a couple of guys with AK-47s, right? Yeah. And if there was a guy with an AK-47 outside of that synagogue yesterday, this jihad guy gets sorted without any casualties, right?

1:04:34Peter Bleksley:Possibly. You don't know. You've got to remember, more like the attacker has the element of surprise. Okay. So I wouldn't want to downplay any potentially heroic efforts made by the security guard yesterday and the such like. That's the trouble. The attacker's got that element of surprise. But that's the point of when we say about getting the army involved. You want to equalize that element of surprise with superior force, don't you? Yeah, but our army, of course, are not... particularly trained to carry firearms and behave like a civilian police. They are, of course, the army. So it would be a huge, possibly, admission on behalf of the police that they've failed.

1:05:18Peter Bleksley:I think first and foremost, they would see that like that and they would argue very strongly against it. I'm just putting myself... Look, having praised the police at the very outset of this interview, I sort of think the egos of police constables and chiefs don't matter as much as the safety of people in this incident. And I echo those words entirely. Funnily enough, you've said about the judiciary being captured. Right. Ditto senior police. Right. Go for it. Rob says, do you feel the only way to protect our Jewish community is to change our feeble government, sack the duplicitous mayor of London, and root out the culture of appeasement amongst senior police officers?

1:06:02Peter Bleksley:Well, I'm no fan of Sir Sadiq Khan. Sticks in the back of my throat that I have to call him a sir. But anyway, I'm really not a fan. Sack the government. I'm afraid the Jewish community is going to have to do more of protecting itself through the Community Safety Trust, which has had some government funding to do that. They're going to have to do more of it. And you know what? They are not alone. There are now leafy suburbs and nice parts of the home counties where private security companies are patrolling the streets, paid for by residents, protecting them because the police can't do it. We are on this inexorable slide towards all having to pay other people to protect ourselves because the police can't do it and because division, divisiveness and hatred is so prevalent in our society.

1:07:01Peter, can I ask you something? This is along the lines of something Katie's asked on Substack, but I want to expand her question a little bit. And it's something I genuinely don't know what the answer is. I'm just thinking out loud. We have seen case after case after case where there have been various failings, whether that's at the level of immigration. I remember, I think the guy's name was Abdul Yazidi, who threw acid on a woman. And he, I think, if I remember correctly, in his instance, he was given asylum based on fake claims that he was a persecuted Christian when it was blatantly not true.

1:07:32So I don't understand the legal system well. I'm sure you understand it better. Is there ever any room for repercussions for people who make these terrible decisions, for them to be held to account? No. None whatsoever.

1:07:45Peter Bleksley:None whatsoever. They are utterly intouchable in that regard. Should there be? It is, of course, not the criminal law we're talking about here. It's the whole immigration process, which, interestingly enough, of course, Shibana Mahmood, the Home Secretary, only this week said the Home Office is not fit for purpose in many regards. This all needs gripping. The whole Home Office, the Immigration Department, the borders, it all needs gripping because it is simply becoming the number one issue on the doorstep, as political campaigners tell me. They say when they're leafleting, when they're knocking on doors, people are saying immigration.

1:08:34Peter Bleksley:And then secondly, when they say, and who are you voting for? People increasingly and increasingly and increasingly are saying reform. I guess what I'm asking is, again, I'm just thinking out loud. This may be totally wrong and un-British or illiberal. I don't know what the words are. But if you're an activist judge or if you're a home office employee who's rubber stamping these people and letting people through without proper checks, you're letting people off, having committed crimes that then go on to reoffend. If there are no sanctions for that and you are an activist, well, you'd carry on, wouldn't you?

1:09:14Right? Wouldn't you just. Wouldn't you? So presumably, I think that ought to be looked at. Are there some repercussions to be had for people who are negligent in their duties? I mean, if you were guarding a military base, right, and you just waved people in who don't have the right pass, presumably you'd be punished for that in some way.

1:09:31Peter Bleksley:Well, look at Palestine Action, who got into a military base very, very reasonably. Should have been shot. And who that protest tomorrow, I believe, is in support of. Right. So we're going to have more idiots with their, oh, if they put Palestine Action banners, getting arrested, the clowns, thereby draining police resources away from dealing with crime anyway, preventing crime and protecting the Jewish places of worship. And, of course, you know what's going to be protected this weekend? Mosques are going to be protected. The police will have additional patrols around mosques because they'll be thinking once the full background of jihad, I'll say that again, Jihad al-Shami is revealed and his devout Muslim beliefs become public knowledge.

1:10:22Peter Bleksley:I'm guessing that's what will happen, right? We don't know yet. Then, of course, they'll be thinking, oh, will there be retaliatory attacks on mosques? Not by Jewish people, everyone. Well, I really very much hope that churches are also protected this weekend because I don't think Jews are the only group of people who are targeted by Islamic terrorism. I mean, we know from their very statements they consider Christians and Jews infidels in the same way and would happily kill them both. So I hope our Christian friends are also kept safe this week. As was dreadfully exhibited at an Arianna Grande concert on London Underground trains and elsewhere.

1:10:57Peter Bleksley:They don't care. If you're the infidel, you're the infidel, and you need to be blown to smithereens, according to their perverse, vile thinking. And on that subject, Mickey says, Does Peter believe there are very likely to be further attacks of this type in the near future? And will it lead to this pitiful government taking serious action to stop illegal immigration? Answer to the first question, sadly, regrettably, yes, I think there will be further attacks. This government getting a grip on immigration for the birds, sadly, no. Yeah, it's so, so worrying that when you saw yesterday's attack, one of the emotions that I had, I was just, actually, I'm surprised it took this long.

1:11:50It's not an emotion, that was a genuine thought that went through my head. I went, I'm surprised it took this long.

1:11:56Peter Bleksley:Yeah. Yes, I can see entirely why you feel like that. We live in an increasingly dangerous nation. We really do. This is a question from SammyT40 who says, Every Jew in the entire world knew something terrible would happen on Yom Kippur. It's sad, but it's true. We were all on eggshells waiting for something to happen because our leaders throughout the world do nothing, all talk and just say stupid things and forget about it. I agree that is very sad indeed Marco asks a great question says hi team any practical solutions to issues discussed to issues discussed as plain and practical as possible step by step thank you all I've got loads okay let's crack on let's go right the very very sad reality of life in Britain is that we have to protect ourselves okay we've got to protect ourselves not only from the potential of a terrorist attack, but from criminals.

1:12:59Peter Bleksley:So what do we do? If you own your own home, protect that home. I'm talking burglar alarm, state-of-the-art CCTV system. I could go on and on about what you grow in your garden if you've got a garden and such like, which stuff that burglars and intruders and other people don't like. Do the obvious. Don't leave things in the back garden like shovels and forks and all of that which Burgers can sell with. And you can find lots of that crime prevention advice online. When you go out onto the street, don't wear headphones. It's utter lunacy. And I know people do. You know about the element of surprise that I was talking about with a terrorist attack?

1:13:44Peter Bleksley:If you've got your headphones on, in all likelihood, you can't hear and you won't be focusing on the world around you. you are giving the terrorist an even greater head start. In all likelihood, you might be killed or seriously injured before you even realise anything's going on. Whereas if when you travel, when you walk, when you are out and about, when you're driving, use these senses that are given to us. Don't shut them off. And even on a very basic level, if you're on a train and you can't hear the train announcement, that again could be something really, it could mean life or death. Listen to the podcast when you get home.

1:14:27Peter Bleksley:Listen to the new album when you get home. You need these, you need those, and you might well need these and to be on your dancers in an emergency. And I think those are great points. But I think what Marco was really driving at is what practical solutions does this government, let's say we had a brilliant government, OK, let's just play that little thought experiment. Yeah. What policies do they need to do in order to really get a grip of this with this problem? Outlaw the Muslim Brotherhood, make it a prescribed organisation. Correct. Yeah, that's that's a day one thing. People won't understand what the Muslim Brotherhood is, Peter.

1:15:09Can you just explain that to the people who don't know?

1:15:12Peter Bleksley:Well, Constance will know far better than I the full history of it. but it's basically a very dangerous organisation which essentially, from my standpoint and from what I've seen, spreads a lot of bad stuff into a lot of decent places and therefore needs to be stopped. By the way, the Muslim Brotherhood, this is one of the great ironies that I've talked about often, is Muslim countries are much better at dealing with Islamist extremism than we are. The Muslim Brotherhood has been banned across the Muslim world for decades now in modern countries because they don't pretend it's Islamophobic to be concerned about Islamic terrorism.

1:15:54They know that these people are extremists and they don't pretend they aren't and they deal with them. We obviously we banned Hizb ut-Tahrir like last year. Hizb ut-Tahrir has been banned in the entire Muslim world for like 20 years. This is the shocking irony of this. we are more permissive towards Islamist terrorism than Muslims are.

1:16:16Peter Bleksley:Yeah. It's unbelievable. I hear stories, and I'm afraid I can't disclose my source, but people from the Middle East, that speaks to somebody I know very well, and they say, why do you let all this dross in here? We wouldn't have it in our country. We don't have it in our country. We don't allow them anywhere near us, and yet you have them flooding in. Well, there we go. Peter, thanks for coming on. Obviously, it was a tragic day yesterday. We all hope this is the last one of these we have to deal with. Sadly, I think a lot of people are concerned it's not. It won't be. I've said nothing but thoughts and best wishes to everybody affected by it, for what that's worth.

1:17:01Peter Bleksley:I was having lunch with a great mate of mine who happens to be Jewish on Wednesday. and of course one of the great things about having friends from other faiths and people of faith you get to learn so much about their faith and of course he was saying yeah it's yom kippur tomorrow so tell me all about it you know what do you do what's the point of him why you know all of that um so then see that horror unfolding so early on that day it was uh and of course the murderous bastard knew it was Yom Kippur and planned it for Yom Kippur. Because in the way that many people might be Christian but don't go to church, so many of them do on Christmas Day, don't they?

1:17:44Peter Bleksley:Yeah. And it's kind of, and if it sounds clunky, it's not meant to be an insult anyway, but it's kind of that sort of equivalent. Jews who don't go to the synagogue very regularly will go on Yom Kippur, which is why they get vast numbers. same as like Church of England churches get packed on Christmas Eve or Christmas morning, you know, it's that kind of thing so Jihad Al-Shamie knew exactly what he was doing he plotted it, he planned it he chose the date I bet he'd sussed out that location

1:18:18Peter Bleksley:and yeah, sadly we'll have to wait till the next time Peter Bilexy, thanks for being here thank you for watching and we'll see you soon