Meghan Markle, Brigitte Macron, Piers Morgan and Feminism - Christina P

21 Dec 2025 · 1 h 20 min · 34 chapters

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In short

Christina P discusses feminism and gender, “wokeness”/censorship, internet-driven outrage, and how culture and class shape politics—especially in the UK. She compares American and British attitudes toward immigration and religion, argues that some UK Muslim-related crimes were overlooked for “community cohesion,” and criticizes how public debate is shut down by labeling critics as Nazis. She also talks about comedy economics shifting from club/TV to podcasts, and the problem of comedians being treated as news sources. A major thread is her admiration for Piers Morgan’s criticism of Meghan Markle and her view that Meghan tried to “play by celebrity rules” inside monarchy tradition.

Guests

Christina P (comedian/host; philosophy major in the 1990s; parents escaped Soviet bloc; describes herself as a “90s liberal” who now sees “traditional things” as what makes women happy).

Key claims

censorship is a “slow drip” (citing her father’s prediction); “woke” ideas are misread; art suffers when speech is policed; Meghan Markle was a social climber and disrespected British tradition; UK policy tolerates extremist fringe while downplaying harms.

Notable examples

Michael Richards’ 2005 “canceling” after repeating a racial slur; COVID-era mask culture; Taylor Swift as “buttered noodles” pop; Karl Lagerfeld; Mark Maron; Piers Morgan getting fired for Meghan Markle coverage; Meghan’s “racism” baby comments; UK “grooming gangs” and terrorism; class-based UK politics and “tax the rich” debate.

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The Changing Dynamics of Coolness

0:00 to 1:02

Discussing the evolution of what makes a person cool in society.

“Like, it used to be like kids with purple hair and that looked like weirdos were like the cool kids.”

The Changing Dynamics of Coolness

1:06 to 2:20

Discussing the evolution of what makes a person cool in society.

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Censorship and Personal Backgrounds

4:03 to 6:07

Exploring personal reactions to censorship and political backgrounds.

“But one of the things we bonded over is our mutual love of communism.”

Cancel Culture and Its Roots

6:07 to 8:33

Discussing the origins and implications of cancel culture.

“I've seen you guys protesting a little something-something.”

Cultural Perspectives on Wokeness

8:33 to 10:01

Examining differing views on wokeness between the US and Europe.

“Well, yeah, I just like, to me, it seemed like you were capitalism, capitalism, capitalism.”

Mental Health and COVID-19 Responses

10:01 to 12:05

Discussing the lingering effects of COVID-19 on mental health and societal behavior.

“So I'm a little more, this is like Joe Rogan country here.”

Parenting and Gender Dynamics

12:05 to 14:00

Delving into the differences between mothers and fathers in parenting roles.

“But I mean, is it just not my generation?”

The Impact of Parenting on Survival Skills

14:00 to 17:48

Explore how different parenting styles shape resilience and societal norms.

“Did she teach you to be a survivor like mine too?”

Woke Culture and Artistic Expression

17:48 to 19:36

Discuss the influence of woke culture on art and creativity, and the loss of eccentricity.

“Well, that's the curse and blessing of the internet, I think, because on the one hand, it allows people like us to do things and they get amplified and people watch them.”

The Role of Comedians in Society

19:36 to 24:48

Examine the evolving role of comedians and their influence on public opinion and news.

“There's five dorks in a basement writing this stuff.”
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Critique of Meghan Markle and Piers Morgan

24:48 to 28:00

Delve into the dynamics between Meghan Markle and Piers Morgan's critique of her ambitions.

“There's no skin in his game for it, right?”

Critique of Meghan Markle's Cultural Ignorance

28:00 to 29:20

Discussion on Meghan Markle's perceived lack of respect for British traditions and monarchy.

“and she basically threw me over to get into with the royals.”

Race and Royal Expectations

29:20 to 30:56

Exploration of Meghan's comments about race and their impact on public perception.

“The point of the story is, I think it's disgusting to come into a culture and be so willfully ignorant of it and to go, I didn't even know that his grandmother's the queen.”

Family Dynamics and Allegations

30:56 to 33:50

Discussion on family dynamics in relation to allegations against Prince Andrew.

“Do you remember the scandal where she said it was racist because they were going to have a baby and people in the royal family were speculating what colour the baby was going to be?”

Harry and Meghan's Departure from Royal Life

33:50 to 35:18

Insight into Harry's motivations for leaving the royal family and marrying Meghan.

“Because he stood up to Meghan Markle's...”

Perceptions of Ambition and Tradition

35:18 to 38:35

Debate on the clash between ambition and tradition when it comes to the monarchy.

“You can't come in and be like, this game needs to change because I'm here.”

Perceptions of Ambition and Tradition

38:40 to 39:59

Debate on the clash between ambition and tradition when it comes to the monarchy.

“But seriously, most of the tools out there are just clones with slightly different skin.”

Cultural Assimilation and Immigration

39:59 to 46:00

Discussion on cultural assimilation and the expectations of immigrants in society.

“that she has a dick or had a dick or whatever.”

Class System and Identity in America vs. UK

46:00 to 48:40

Discuss the differences in class systems between the UK and America and how they shape identity.

“And then there's enough people on the other side going, oh, it's fine.”

Economic Disparities and Public Sentiment

48:40 to 55:10

Analyze economic disparities in society and how they influence public sentiment and political views.

“But your parents were poor, so forget that.”

The State of Labor and Economy in the US

55:10 to 56:00

Examine the current state of labor, job availability, and economic conditions in the US.

“Because we can't have people who work all day, every day, barely living and just have the other side of it, which is a very few super rich.”

Welfare State and Human Connection

56:00 to 57:11

Discussing the decline of welfare states and the importance of human connection.

“Where there was a welfare state, is that what it's called?”

Welfare State and Human Connection

57:12 to 57:52

Discussing the decline of welfare states and the importance of human connection.

“You shouldn't have to rearrange your life to deal with hair loss.”

AI's Impact on Jobs and Meaning

58:08 to 1:00:28

Exploring the potential future of work in the age of AI and its implications for human purpose.

“Individual results may vary based on studies of topical and oral minoxidil and finasteride.”

Gender Differences and Child Rearing

1:00:29 to 1:02:12

Examining the societal expectations of gender roles in parenting and the value of femininity.

“He just runs around and smashes into shit.”

The Feminist Dilemma: Career vs. Motherhood

1:02:13 to 1:04:49

Discussing the disconnect between feminist ideals and the biological clock for women.

“We are meeting a lot of people all over the world, but particularly in the US, UK, et cetera, who are women.”

Reevaluating Happiness and Success

1:04:50 to 1:07:10

Contemplating what truly brings happiness and the societal pressures women face.

“Because I think that's the meaning of this existence, is to love your family and love.”

Power and Feminine Identity

1:07:11 to 1:10:01

Delving into the nature of power for women and the expectations set by society.

“I'm so excited that we're talking about this.”

Women, Masculinity, and Sexual Norms

1:10:01 to 1:12:02

Explore the implications of women's roles and sexual behavior in society.

“But yeah, women's lives can be fantastic if you let the guys just do their own f***.”

Dating Apps vs. Real-Life Connections

1:12:03 to 1:13:31

Discuss the differences between dating apps and organic relationship building.

“dumping clips this is going to be a great clip by the way Yeah.”

Cultural Influences on Relationships

1:13:32 to 1:15:56

Examine how societal changes affect women's perspectives on relationships.

“And you're less likely to blow that person off because I hear it's really common to just kind of forget somebody that you've started an interaction with, and then you're like, oh, whatever.”

The Political Shift of Marriage Views

1:15:57 to 1:16:10

Insights on how societal views on marriage have shifted politically.

“I'm still a 90s liberal in my head, man.”

Conspiracy Theories and Alien Sightings

1:16:11 to 1:17:24

Discussion on the prevalence of alien sightings and conspiracy theories in America.

“In fact, I think that should be the title of the episode.”

Cultural Perceptions of America and Aliens

1:17:25 to 1:18:50

Analyzing America's unique relationship with conspiracy theories and aliens.

“You are the descendants of all the crazy people that left Europe, right?”
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0:01Like, it used to be like kids with purple hair and that looked like weirdos were like the cool kids. And now they're the f***ing dorks and they're angry about stuff. What makes women happy? Well, what makes me happy is unfortunately, more fortunately, the traditional things. I always considered myself a 90s liberal. And now that's considered conservative. Right.

0:23Christina P:I don't know what happened. I have so many questions for you. Like what? Like what? Well, can we talk about the Muslims in Britain? I forgot you guys have a class system. That blows me away. Francis, are you dating? I am dating. Okay, so tell me. You dumping clips? This is like Candace getting pinched by Macron's wife. You think she's a dude? No! I love Piers Morgan, by the way. I love watching him shit on Merkel. That's my absolute favorite. I feel a lawsuit coming on. They can't get me overseas, right? This episode is sponsored by our friends at Hillsdale College. Right after this episode, go check out their incredible online courses, which are absolutely free at hillsdale.edu slash trigger.

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3:56I'm so happy to be here. I love you guys so much. We love you. We've basically done all the talking while we were waiting to start. But one of the things we bonded over is our mutual love of communism. Yes, what a perfect system. And I'm so happy that America is starting to adapt some of the principles. because it worked so well the first time around. And you and I, our parents are, well, you're from the old country. My parents escaped it in 1969. And so I have a real f***ing visceral reaction when I hear people being censored or when I... From Poland? No, Hungary. Hungary, right. Even f***er.

4:32Like, just a tiny, nothing country. We had an empire at one time, but... Our friend Seb Gorka is getting angry listening to this now. He's Hungarian. Yeah, he works in the White House, but he's Hungarian descent. Yeah. Anyway.

4:47Christina P:Sorry. No, no, I like being Hungarian. Don't be sorry. But, but, uh, yeah, my asshole really puckers when I, when I hear that people are not bothered by being, um, censored. I don't know. I can't imagine. My father predicted this, which is really interesting. Do you remember Michael Richards? I don't know if you heard about the story. He was on Seinfeld. He played Kramer, the wacky neighbor. Yeah, on Seinfeld. and uh back in like 05 he went to the laugh factory and he was bombing on his set and he kept he kept he kept saying the n-word over and over he was like these ends these ends these ends and of course it didn't do well because there was no joke it was just him lashing out but somebody had recorded him and put it on the internet and now he was being crucified for it it was like the first canceling.

5:36And I went to my dad's house and I go, did you hear about this thing that this guy is saying the N-word? And he goes, well, so what? There is N-words in the world. It's not a big deal. I was like, well, I don't know. I can't agree with that. But I do think it's like, he goes, this is how it starts. This is what he told me. He goes, this is the beginning. And I go, what do you mean? He goes, this is how it was before the communists came it's a slow drip and that was oh five and exactly society got real tight around like covid right like people were losing gigs shane gillis got kicked off right of snl for a

6:13Christina P:tweet that he did what the but i don't know what's going on in britain now are you guys like are we feeling woke vibes still i mean what's going on in britain is uh there's things cooking but we don't want to admit that they're cooking. I've seen you guys protesting a little something-something. Yeah. You guys are like, no thanks, Muslims. There's a lot of... No, and like, it's... Yeah, well, let's talk about it because I'm so curious to hear your perspective. I know Europeans are a little different than Americans. You guys do have a culture that is thousands and thousands of years old and you guys have coexisted in a union, European, right, for a while.

6:54And you guys like to keep your shit, your own shit, right? religion, language, food, kind of, unless they're Indian. And then you guys can call them. What were you guys saying before we started about Indians and Mexicans?

7:06Christina P:Yeah, so basically Indians are our versions of Mexicans. Sure. We didn't colonize the Mexicans. You did take their land off. We stole their shit. But we didn't force English on them. And we didn't force culture on them. Right? Didn't you guys do that at the end? Yeah, we did. we did but and this is going to get me into so much because i talked to indians about the british empire and i think they would be like i hate it and they were like there's some pretty good stuff you gave us yeah well english and culture that aspect of culture being one of them yeah and the trains trains are good trains are good so actually you know is it all bad i don't know i can't answer that i'm not indian oh no i can't my stepdad was from india he was born in bombay and he hated it and he hated being poor, and that's why he came to America and became a capitalist.

8:00So, I don't know.

8:02Christina P:But it's so interesting, isn't it? Because, like, we're looking like, I would have thought this would be the one country in the world that would be immune to communism. I don't know. I just thought, you know, because I grew up, I saw America in the 80s and the 90s, you know. God bless America. You know, capitalism's awesome. We make great stuff. We're going to export it to the world. Everyone kind of hated you, yet envied you at the same time, particularly. And now you've got like Zoran Mamdani probably going to get elected. That's crazy, dude. Okay, so what are we asking? How did this happen?

8:37Christina P:Well, yeah, I just like, to me, it seemed like you were capitalism, capitalism, capitalism. Woo, communism. I don't know if it's that cut and dry. I feel like we're simplifying things a little bit here. I think there is a disillusionment with our belief in government. and them having our best interests at heart. I wish I were an expert on wokeism, but I am not. I do think it is some disillusionment with the authority. And, oh, actually, I can speak on a philosophical thing. I was a philosophy major in the 90s. I graduated in 99 with a bachelor's in philosophy. And I learned continental philosophy.

9:18I learned everything up until postmodernism. And my professors said, you can learn about this stuff but it's stupid and nobody buys into this because it's dumb basically they didn't say like that but and um and that's when i started to read what is now uh the ideology of this culture of wokeness of the breaking the bind the non-binary and um the gender stuff and i think it's a misinterpretation of the original ideas i don't think people are really understanding what they're spouting as their philosophy. By the way, should we even be talking about it? Is it kind of not over here? Which one? Wokeness.

10:00Like, is it not over? I mean, look, I live in Texas now. Yeah. So I'm a little more, this is like Joe Rogan country here. And I'm really grateful to be more immune to it here. um being in california you go i go back to visit la and i feel the reverberations still of like the covid time when people were really deep into it like really like they're still scared in so many regards like there's still a trauma from covid are people in la still wear masks that's what that with my head every time you land in lax there's people in masks yeah now Yeah, it's been five years. Yeah, and I love that cuz I'm like, oh, you're mentally ill now I can identify But at this point you kind of have to say that right?

10:47Yeah You're like if you see one person in a mask per million you go Maybe that guy's got a special health condition. Yes, but when you see lots of people you go know you guys are crazy Yeah, it's hysteria right and I think it exists. It still exists a little bit in LA Like I said Texas were like out and this is this is no man's land That's kind of great that way. But I try not to pay attention to these idiots, you know? I do think a lot of it is mental illness, and I know that's very politically incorrect to say, but, like, I'm on TikTok. I love it. And that's where I get my news. Because I...

11:23To me, it's the truth of the people, you know? And, um... I watch TikTok, and I watch, like, a lot of these people that are like, I'm astral-gendered, I'm this-gendered. And I'm like, dude, if it was, like, one normal motherfucker out there claiming to be, like, whatever gendered, I'd be like, okay, cool. Like, how come I'm not friends with any of them? Honestly, like, I'm friends with everybody, dude. Like, I can't find one to be friends with. Because they f***ing suck. Like, they're not cool. They're not fun. It's because you, you know what it's really... I'm just, I'm serious. They're no fun.

11:57They're not cool. Like, he used to be, like, kids with purple hair and that looked like weirdos were, like, the cool kids. And now they're the f***ing dorks. and they're angry about stuff. You know? Yeah. I befriended one. I can't say her name. She worked at an ice cream parlor. She was cool. Them, sorry, they were cool. That's it. Maybe because I'm just old. Am I old? Yes, I am. But I mean, is it just not my generation? But I don't, I don't, I know people who see the world that way. They do not seem fun. Yeah. There's a kind of earnestness about them They're fucking bummers, dude Bummers has a very different meaning in British Oh, really?

12:39What's a bummer, gay? Yeah Not just gay, but someone who actively engages in the act of Who consummates the You know Then that would be fun, then those people aren't having fun

12:52Christina P:Yeah, they're having great fun Just be free, just be free and have fun But they're not having fun Well, speaking of fun, a lot of your stand up has been about being a parent, not parent, sorry, mother, because there's a big difference. There's a big difference. What's the difference do you think? Women are intuitive. We create life. We nurture life. We are goddesses. And you guys are awesome because you kill stuff and you keep us safe. Put it this way. Last night, I was sleeping and my six-year-old crawled into bed with me because he had a nightmare. And then our little kitten came and laid on my chest to sleep.

13:36My husband has none of those things. And there's a reason. I'm not saying he's bad or anything. It's just that the feminine, this energy is a different thing, man. I mean, you know that you have mothers, right? They probably weren't very nice to you because you're comics. I'm no longer a comic, so my mother was okay. Yeah, she was a Soviet mother. Yeah, Soviet mother. Yes, mine too. Very hard. Very rough. Did she teach you to be a survivor like mine too? Um, my mother wasn't really that harsh with me. Oh, so lucky. Uh, but then I say that I think by Soviet standards. Oh, so that's like, yeah, you know, I'm trying to think of the right metaphor.

14:16Yeah. Yeah. Did she beat you? Uh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. But no, no, no. You're like, you need to think about it a little bit, though i'm trying to no i don't think so no but it's like i see this weird thing like it wasn't as big a deal back then so if like if you knew people whose parents beat them you're like it was kind of like well they're not being me but this kind of is part it's just it's just

14:46Christina P:what happened right yeah and also the language particularly in england was different they wouldn't say beat they'd say i'd give a clip around the ear yeah just a clip it sounds so nice doesn't it it does just a little clip you know it wasn't a clip it was a full grown man going boom around your head but yeah but it was just like oh that's a clip but see that's the thing so then you go well those are nice things about woke right so then i don't want to on like all the non-binaries because on the other hand now boys can be feminine or girls can girls can always be masculine i I shouldn't say that, but, you know, maybe if you are a boy who's on the gay highway, and, you know, and you just can't come out yet, but you go like, oh, maybe I can wear a dress and that's okay.

15:28Or maybe I can identify as something and then on my way over there. But I think the problem is if you even criticize this stuff, you're called a Nazi, you know, and that's the silliest part. But what I miss most about society is eccentrics. like Karl Lagerfeld. I became very obsessed with him recently because he was so inappropriate. And he was this asexual homosexual. And he didn't like Jews and he didn't like Muslims. And he was super f***ing talented though. And he would give interviews and say that he hated fat women, especially fat models. And I was, I'm dying laughing hearing this s*** because growing up, people just said wild s***.

16:09And you were like, yeah, but that's him. He grew up in Germany in 1800 or whatever, and he's just an idiot. It doesn't affect me. But to not even have the license to say these things, I think is what bums me out. And we're gonna lose out on artists. We're gonna lose out on... I mean, music is f***ing crap, as you know. I think I... I don't know. I'm just old, too. But art is suffering for it. If you look at... And I'm not shading Taylor Swift. I've... She's not my demographic, obviously. It's not for me. She's hugely successful. But there is something bizarre to her being buttered noodles. And by buttered noodles, it's like what radio used to be in America.

16:54So middle of the road, right? It's like buttered noodles is... Everybody can eat buttered noodles. It's not delicious, but everybody will eat buttered noodles. And Taylor Swift feels that way to me. And there's a certain safety in music now. a safety in art, a safety that has to be there because they're creating in a bubble of the internet. Could you imagine, I always think of the Beatles doing their 10 ,000 hours in Germany, right? And some s*** dump bar becoming the Beatles. And could you imagine if they put that s*** online and they read their comments as they were developing as artists and it was like, you guys f***ing suck.

17:33Ringo, what kind of f***ing name is Ringo? And you're like, that would have discouraged these teenage boys from becoming who they were. So there's something to the surveillance of this woke culture that just kills the spirit, kills the art, kills the eccentrics. That's what I miss. Well, that's the curse and blessing of the internet, I think, because on the one hand, it allows people like us to do things and they get amplified and people watch them. And we never would have connected with two million people who watch our show without the internet. But on the other hand, because the technology is so powerful, suddenly if a comedian says a rude word on a podcast, like there's two million people that saw them say that and that's a concern.

18:19Do you see what I mean? Yeah. It makes me laugh so much because does anyone really give a shit?

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19:54Christina P:Like, take Mark Maron. He really f***ing cares about this stuff. Like, I look at Mark and he's on podcasts and he's furious. Yes. He's livid. He's like, you know, they have fascists. And you can see him working himself up. You're like, Mark, you're a millionaire. You're 62. You've got a successful career. You've had one of the biggest podcasts of all time. Dude, chill out. But he's literally foaming at some point. I know. Well, look, we're comedians. We all have our soft points, our rubbing points, our triggers. but I think what's and I will say this because I'm aware there's a whole feud right now in comedy that I'm kind of not oh is there no I'm serious yeah I don't I don't I don't do stand-up anymore so I don't pay much attention what was going on well let me break it down for you okay history in a nutshell it's the club comics versus the liberal comics let's say okay so back in LA there's two thrillers a few scenes in comedy but back in the day it was east coast versus west coast right so in la you came up you were either a club comic uh where you did wherever the they would take you you get on the road you go to toledo you do any bag place in toledo you'll do in cleveland i don't know why i pick ohio is my reference but uh you know you'll go anywhere and do anything entertain anyone and then there's the group of the the liberal guys like the marons the patten oswalds the david crosses who preferred to do all like were considered alternative venues right like smaller theaters um and they cater to a specific audience people that were like-minded individuals and they seldom would do the road it was considered i don't know like we're like the circus people like we're just donkeys which kind of yes i agree yeah entertain anybody how much is it 1200 bucks i'll go there that's how i was i just wanted to make a living anyway just wanted to be an artist um so so but here's the catch here's the rub is that those liberal comics were also in the Hollywood system.

21:54So here's the, they were so lucky and I was so jealous of them back in 08 because like, here I am trying to get work on the road and be a donkey here. Whereas they're getting cast in pilots and Comedy Central just loves these like weirdo, you know, alternative. And meanwhile, like, it's just not for me. Okay. But I think all those guys are funny and, you know, everybody has their own way. So what happened was podcasting was invented.

22:22Christina P:And that took off. And now those guys that are employed by Hollywood are no longer employed by Hollywood because Hollywood has shifted so tremendously to the podcasting and the independence world of the Internet. And I think like we don't know how to, I don't know, maybe they're pissed. Is that what's going on? That the economy of it all has switched. I don't know, dude. Well, that makes a lot of sense to me, right? because the people who used to get the opportunities and be on top no longer getting opportunities and not being on top, that's not a recipe for happiness for comedians, right? No.

23:01And what's interesting as well is the other thing that's happened, and Mark, I've seen some of his stuff criticizing people, is what's happened is a lot of the comedians who hosted a podcast sort of are now seen by some people, maybe not by themselves, but by a lot of other people as like the source of news. Yeah. Which is not how it was supposed to be. That's what I'm saying. Like people say to us, and you know, we try to, you know, also do journalism to some extent as much as we can. But people say to us, oh, I get all my news from Chuganomach. I'm like, you shouldn't. You shouldn't. And we do have serious conversations on the show, but like you need more than that, right?

23:44Yeah. So if you look at Joe Rogan and you think like this guy is the equivalent of the New York Times, you're going to end up very unhappy because that's not what it's for. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. The New York Times is a that's a totally different viewpoint and everyone has their own. And but the problem comes to when these I think, too, there's a disillusionment with our press because then you start to learn what's going on there. And you're like, wait a minute, Why is this story being written about so-and-so right now? Oh, all this s*** is all connected? Like, there's disinformation being actively spread in the public sphere of news.

24:25So then you're like, well, who the heck can you trust? Well, I do know there's a guy that spends a lot of time reading this s*** from the internet, and his name is Joe Rogan, and I don't have the time to do it. But God bless Joe Rogan, because he does. I'd rather listen to f***ing Joe Rogan than, I don't know, don't want CNN or Anderson or whoever, Fox, because maybe he knows what's up. He's impartial. There's no skin in his game for it, right?

24:50Christina P:Yeah. I think the issue comes, and this isn't Joe, by the way, because Joe doesn't play this game, but a game that really grinds my gears is people who talk about serious subjects and have an opinion, and that's fair enough. And then when they get challenged or they get caught in a trap and their logic is exposed, they go, hey, I'm just a comedian. Oh. And you're just like, dude, you can't do that. Oh, you can't? That's what I've been doing.

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25:20But I never professed to be a genius, and I just, you know, like, I'm just talking out of my asshole. I think that's what we all do. We're getting all these opinions. I don't know. Who the is right? I don't know.

25:32Christina P:No, but what you do is different, because you're just, I'm a comedian riffing about stuff, And the purpose of it is to be funny and then to be maybe to make a point. But if you go into a debate and you're like, I'm going to talk about the Middle East and why Israel is committing a genocide. And then you get caught spreading misinformation or a conspiracy theory like a comedian called Bassem Yusuf did. And then on Piers Morgan show, he went, I'm just a clown. I'm like, no. Do you know what I mean? I love Piers Morgan, by the way. You do? I do. Why do you love Piers Morgan? No, I do. I love it. You guys have a different relationship to him because he's one of yours and you see more of it maybe?

26:10No, no, no, no. I'm not having a... We've had Piers on the show loads of times. Oh, I fucking love him. Well, tell him I said I want to know him. Okay, I'll tell him. Why do you love Piers Monty? I love... He's going to fucking watch this on repeat for the rest of his life. Yeah. This is every day. Yeah. Well, because I... Like I said, I follow, you know, your guys' stuff. And I like that he was very outspoken against wokeness very early. And he got fired for it, yeah? like he had the show he got fired for criticizing megan markle yeah he did that's my favorite let's talk about that i i just i love watching him on markle that's my absolute favorite why oh gosh i mean how much time do we have a lot yeah yeah i've never seen you lie up like this so i want to hear this and so does pierce morgan okay okay he watches our show he's watching this Okay, good.

27:02So, Pierce, here's why I love you, buddy. I think you're one of the first people to expose Ms. Markle for being a social climber, for being very ambitious, let's say. I mean, look, I've read all the books. You've done all the research. What? Because, first of all... You're not allowed to say at the end of this, I'm just a comment. I'm just a comment!

27:23Christina P:This is your opinion. No, no, no. Listen, do I know about Israel and Palestine? I don't know a thing. I don't care. Okay? I'm a mom. What I want to know is gossip about the royal family. Correct. That's what I fucking care about. Give us your educated opinion. Okay. I've done deep, deep dives. Okay. So I've read all the books. I've done all the things. I think the way he characterized her, because she came to London to be set up. And she wanted to be set up with a footballer. I forget that guy's name. And somehow she weasels her way into getting set up with H. With H. And then, but Pierce Morgan says that, oh yeah, no, I met Meghan Markle in a pub.

27:59and she's very much a social climber, and she basically threw me over to get into with the royals. And I was like, wow, that's bull, dude, he said that. And that's what got me on the deep dive with Meghan Markle. And listen, I also, I realize the monarchy is a sensitive subject with you guys. No, no. Just go for it.

28:20Christina P:Just go for it. But as an outsider, it's not my thing. So as an outsider, here's what I like about the monarchy. Go on. Are they flawed douchebag inbred people? Yeah. Do they have a birthright to be better than anybody? Of course not. It's absurd. We're well past the time of kings and queens. It's stupid. It really is. However, it brings a lot of, I think, tourism to your country. It's deeply, it's a tradition that is revered. And it's everywhere. You go to the King's Arms pub. Everything is named after the royalties. Okay, great, fine. I think this last queen was amazing. I think she really took it seriously.

29:02Charles, I mean, he gets it, went very late in the game, which sucks for him. And that Camilla, please, she's no queen, okay?

29:10Christina P:Why is she no queen? She's a side piece. Let's make it real. She's a side piece. You can't argue with it. No, she was a side piece. Okay, anyway, I have a lot of opinions. Anyway, Megan Markle. Let's get back to Megan. The point of the story is, I think it's disgusting to come into a culture and be so willfully ignorant of it and to go, I didn't even know that his grandmother's the queen. And isn't it silly I had to do a curtsy like at medieval times? And it's so disrespectful and so gross as an American. Like as an American, I'm a donkey as well, culturally. I get that. but if I was gonna go meet the queen, you better believe I'm gonna figure out how to do that properly.

29:55It's not my culture, dude. Respect that. So I found that to be very arrogant and then to go into Britain and be like, I'm just gonna do what I like to do. I'm the center of the show. And it's like, bitch, you're not the center of the show, actually. It's the older brother and his wife that are going to inherit the throne and those two know what the f*** they're doing and no one gives a f*** about you and your beige outfits. So she made it about her because I think she wanted to be famous. She wanted to be a big celebrity. And then she got Harry out of the system, and now she's in... The thing that pissed me off about her, and I'm not someone who follows it closely, really, was when she tried to make all that sh** about race after we had this wedding, which, like, the entire country got down on its knees and, like...

30:39And the Queen accelerated, by the way. The Queen pushed up everything so that they could get married sooner. Right. And it's just, like... And, look, it was a time in which a lot of people played that game. I just didn't think... And that's what Piers got fired for, I think, is talking about that. Basically saying, isn't that right?

30:57Christina P:Yeah, it was kind of... It was also saying... Do you remember the scandal where she said it was racist because they were going to have a baby and people in the royal family were speculating what colour the baby was going to be? Like, my mum's Venezuelan. I remember that's basically what people used to talk about every time someone had a kid. Yeah, and they'd say something like to my grandfather i hope he doesn't have your arabic nose a woman with that nose she will never find a mate yeah yeah yeah that's how he is but that that's how in in every family especially if there's mixed heritage that's what everyone talks about every time and even okay so so what let's say worst case scenario somebody's racist okay so what what are you gonna do about it you know how many stupid things have been said to me over the years you're a female kind of like women shouldn't talk.

31:49Okay, so what am I going to go? I'm sorry about that. I shouldn't have said that.

31:54Christina P:So f***ing what? You know what I'm saying? It doesn't mean you go to Oprah and blast your in-laws. I don't care who they are. Blast your in-laws. Yeah, if I went public with everything my in-laws have said. But that's what I'm saying. Is your family perfect and squeaky clean? No. Who's family? You have older people in the family that say inappropriate sh***. Yeah, it's like normal dude exactly and like the uncle is shall we just say dodgy to put it mildly The uncle the uncle uncle Andrew. Oh uncle Andrew What is he got this he got this uh disinherited didn't he? Yeah, well the thing is you can't strip effectively apparently I want to see where this sentence is going Apparently it was saying that you can't strip him of his title I don't think there's some kind of legalese where you can't do that.

32:48Christina P:But he they've kind of just been like, just like stay out of the picture. Yes. Because, you know, you bring a bit of shame. Yes. A bit of shame. A lot of. Yeah, just a little. Just a little because he turns out that he might have lied about the Epstein thing. And there was that email that came out that basically said, I'll stand with you till the death. Yeah. And then Fergie with 40 grand in front of her or whatever. Are we getting ourselves in legal trouble by saying all this? I don't know. Allegedly. We come, allegedly. Yeah, allegedly. That's how we get past it in America. Same here, same in Britain.

33:18Allegedly. Allegedly. If you say allegedly, everything is fine. But the daughters have separated themselves from Andrew because they want to stay in favor from what I understand with the king and the current. Maybe they don't like their dad being a bit of a nonce. Yeah, for sure. Wait, am I, am I, I'm not sure I really should say that. I'm doing stand-up, right? I'm just, I'm just a comedian. Just a cameraman! I'm an idiot, man. What do I know? Generally, that is not an area I have done a lot of research into. But I'm glad we're delving into it. Yeah. So anyway, this is why you love Piers. Because he stood up to Meghan Markle's...

33:56Well, to everybody. I think that... I think he's right, dude. It's like, what are you going to... You're going to fire a guy? Because he had... Actually, they can fire you if you work for a private company for saying whatever. But I don't know. I like that he's ballsy and he says inappropriate things. It's fun.

34:12Christina P:Do you know what I think? Like, I did this clip and I just, I put it on the internet of me just doing a little rant about Meghan Markle. It went viral because, and I think the reason it went viral because there was a line in it where it went, this is what happens when you marry a woman much smarter than you. And that is, Harry, Harry, she's, look, whatever you think about her, she's not that. No. She's a smart woman. Brilliant. And brilliant and super hot. Beautiful. She is. And I don't think, and this is my controversial opinion, people on the right don't admit this. She's a 10. Of course she's a 10.

34:48Of course she's a 10. No. She's beautiful. I mean, she will eat you after she's had sex with you. Yes. But she's a 10. So maybe that's even 11 for some people. And I think in America, it's fine to be ambitious. It's fine to be that. It's fine to be a 10 who wants to seize it. But you can't do that with the monarchy because it's not a capitalist thing. I think you can. You just can't do it the way that she did it, which is to come in. Your point earlier, I think, was bang on, which is like you've got to play by the rules of the game. You can't come in and be like, this game needs to change because I'm here.

35:22Yeah. Who are you? This is thousands of years of tradition. So here's the flip side. Harry is a bit of a pussy. Correct. Yes. Okay, because we all know the guy that wants to get out of the family and say, f*** you, mom and dad. So what do they do? They marry a b***h, right? And the girl gives him the balls to stand up to mommy and daddy. And now he leaves the family. So I think Harry, I read his book too. The spa. And yeah, he was, you know, he doesn't want to be there. He doesn't want to do the job. I don't think.

35:57Christina P:No. He didn't. He was like a, he was an athletic guy. He was, he said that he wanted to go to Eton, wherever they all go to. Eton, darling. Yeah, and he wasn't like a straight A student. He was just kind of a sweet goofball kid. But he didn't want to, he didn't want to do the family biz. And I think he married her to get out of it. You know, I once did a gig in, near Eton. And there was a lady in the front row and I was, I was emceeing. And I said, oh, what do you do? She goes, I'm a teacher. And I go, where do you teach? And there was a bit of a pause. she looked at her friend and went, Eton College.

36:32Christina P:I was like, okay. I went, when did you teach at Eton? She gave the years. And I went, what did you teach? And she went, art. And I went, did you teach Prince Harry? There was silence. And I went, didn't he get an E in A-level art? And I went, no, good or bad. That is literally the bone. Under the F. It goes from A to E. Okay, we have F. That's what stops for us. And then you, which is ungraded, which is a total E. And I went, how did you manage to make that work? And she said, and I quote, I did the best I could with the materials on offer. So I don't think he's a super bright guy. This very hot, very intelligent, very beautiful actress, swans in.

37:17Christina P:And then, you know. I feel a lawsuit coming on.

37:23They can't get me overseas, right? No, no, you stay in Texas in your fortress with your, with your, this is, no, this is like Candace getting pinched by, uh, what's her name? Macron's wife. You think she's a, you think she's a dude? No, no. What is this retarded that people come up?

37:46Christina P:Why do people, I have to say, I have, I have to say though, there is a small part of me that worries. because I've talked a lot of s*** about Candace and Bridget McCrone because I think the idea that she's a dude is retarded. But there is like a 2 % chance I'm wrong and then I'm going to look like the biggest idiot in the world. So I don't know, but I don't think so. Do you think she's a dude? Can I tell you how retarded I am? I went down Candace's rabbit hole. I read the f***ing book she recommended and everything and I'm like, it's not impossible. Like you said, is it plausible? No, but it is possible.

38:21But we will see because she's got to like supply her DNA, right, or something to resolve this lawsuit.

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39:55Christina P:You'll find the link in the description of this episode. Or type in v-e-n-i-c-e.ai.trigger and see what you've been missing. I don't know. We'll find out soon enough. that she has a dick or had a dick or whatever. But the thing is, she got together with Macron. Is the point of this episode to make sure we can never work again? Is that what we're doing here? Yeah. I'm sorry. I just get excited to talk to you guys because I have so many questions for you. Like what? Like what? Well, can we talk about the Muslims in Britain? Please, I'm just curious as an outsider. Okay, okay. Here's what I, my understanding is that culturally, you guys, it sucks culturally, yeah?

40:44Like, to have your dominant culture be overtaken, is that what the issue is? I don't think that's what's happening. It's not being overtaken. So, Muslims are about 4 million out of 70 in the UK. The issue, I think, is that while most Muslims are perfectly decent people, they follow the law, they do everything else that everyone else does, there is a fringe that are extremist and instead of dealing with them the way that you would deal with any other people who are engaging in criminal activity there is a feeling that they are being given some leeway or the crimes that are committed by say grooming gangs rape gangs which were in some areas very heavily muslim or not just muslim but from very particular areas of former british empire, those crimes were overlooked and in fact covered up to avoid upsetting what they called community cohesion.

41:42So this is the issue, right? Like if you want to be Muslim and someone else wants to be Christian and someone else wants to be Jewish and everyone practiced their religion and follows the laws and is faithful to their country and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no one would have any issue with that. But the moment you start creating a society where different groups get special treatment. That's when people suddenly go, well, hold on a second. Why is that happening? That's, I think, the stuff that you guys are hearing over here. That's what's going on. Got it. Because I think as an old school immigrant, kind of like you are, we're both from the Soviet world.

42:16My parents, when we came to the U.S., they were like, no, we are America now. We assimilate to this. I don't put the Hungarian flag outside the house. There's a reason for that. We I think it's considered, uh, is that racist now to go, yeah, no, no, you're, I understand where you're from. That's cool. Like you can eat your sh**, you can do your thing, you speak your language, but you do have to abide by like these rules because we're in this country now. Well, you need to buy in. It's not just, see, people always talk about you got to follow the rules, but I don't think it's just about that. I think it's what your parents said, which is like, we become this new thing and we let go of a lot of the sh** that we brought with us because we're American now.

42:57Yes. And this is the concern, I think, with immigration. America, in my experience, is like the most pro-immigration place in the world. Yes. Right. Is that fair? Thank God. And yes. And thank God for it, because I wouldn't fucking be here if it weren't for that. And at the same time, there's also the feeling that like, like you said, we welcome you. But it's like, if you welcome someone to your house, like take your shoes off. If it's an no shoes house, take your shoes off. There you go. That's it. It really is as simple as that. And that's what's happening in Europe is a lot of people feel like people aren't taking the shoes off.

43:31Yeah. And in fact, we're supposed to say, well, that's their cult. They wear shoes in the house, so they should wear shoes in our house. That doesn't wash. I know. And it's such like a, it's such a fussy line with that, with those two cultures, you know, East and West. It's fussier. And I think certain cultures meld easy, easier. Yes. Yes. Others. Yeah. Right. Well, if both cultures have shoes off in the house yeah then it's kind of easy yeah and it's also as well there's certain religions

44:01Christina P:from the same roughly the same part of the world that have melded very well with with british culture for instance hindus and sikhs yeah they've never been really any problems like sikhs are in fact some of the most patriotic people and when it comes to like getting pissed no one gets pissed harder than the sikh i know people who've been to a sikh wedding like dude every one of those f**kers drank me under the table. So it's kind of part of the culture. Whereas as well, there's also the specter of terrorism with the fringes of the Muslim religion. And when you look at the majority of terrorists or extremists that are on the watch list in the UK, the majority are Islamic terrorists or people who support or sympathize with those particular actions.

44:47Christina P:And you're looking at this and you're going, like, well, this, unless we actually have a full and frank conversation about what's going on here and how we deal with it, then the problem is only going to get worse. But nobody wants to have the conversation. And every time you do, you get diversity is our strength. Diversity is our greatest strength. Every time there's a terrorist attack, diversity is our greatest strength. And if you keep making that connection for people, they go, what the f*** are you talking about? Yeah. Eventually, right? Because the fact that there's people from different, like in America, there's people from different places in one country, that's fine.

45:26As long as we are honest about where certain problems are coming from and we all get together and really focus on fixing them. A thousand percent. Instead of all getting together and focusing on covering up the problem. A thousand percent. That's what's happening in the UK. A thousand percent. So that's why you're here in all that stuff. I get it. Okay. Yeah, because in this country, you've got the left and the right, and you've got the Texans who are like, get out of my country. I don't want y 'all. And then you have California that's like, everybody come over. It's fine. So somewhere in between those two is, I think, where we come and find a solution.

45:59So who's in your, there's enough people going, get out of our country. And then there's enough people on the other side going, oh, it's fine. So somewhere it's got to.

46:09Christina P:Well, and the issue is, which is slightly different in America, is the people going, oh, my God, isn't it wonderful that they come over here and it's everything's beautiful. They're the ones in charge. They're the ones in charge of the government at the moment. And they're the ones in charge of all the institutions. So what's actually getting pumped out in the party line is, oh, my God, guys, diversity is our strength. Ignore the bombings. Gotcha. Whereas all the regular, particularly blue-collar, because we're a far more class-based society than you are here, so all the working-class people are just like, mate, there's grooming gangs happening, and there's terrorism and whatever else, and their voice hasn't been heard.

46:49Christina P:But now with the internet and with the rise of certain political figures, whether mainstream or on the fringe, we're having a discussion whether you like it or not. Yeah, I like that. I forgot you guys have a class system. that blows me away. That's the amazing thing about America. It's like, if you've got money, you're upper class. If you don't have money, it doesn't matter who your dad was. It doesn't matter who you're... Well, it's true, my Indian stepfather, that's what he loved the best about America. He's like, no, basically I'm white because I'm a millionaire. I'm a Republican. You can buy skin color in America.

47:24You kind of can. You kind of can. Oh, totally. But what is this horse shit with you guys? You guys are still stuck in this... What is, is it real anymore?

47:33Christina P:I mean, it still exists. It's not, it doesn't f***ing... You've set him up. I want to hear about it, I don't know about it. He's from a lower middle class, upper working class background, and he's got a giant f***ing chip on his shoulder. Good, good for you. Yes, thank you. Stick him to the man. Yeah, exactly. Even now that we've built this thing from complete scratch, with our own efforts, no one's held us down, no one's lifted us up, it's entirely on merit, no one's holding him back, he's still got this f***ing sh**. Yeah, exactly. Talk him out of it. What's your sh**, man? What are you upset about it?

48:05You made it. Why are you still pissed off at the rich? What's my identity? You are a richie now, but this is the hypocrisy. You can't play both sides. Correct. What do you mean? Correct. Either you're rich or you're not, man. You got to own it. You can't. Because I was a poorie growing up, an immigrant piece of sh**. Nobody's zero. And then I made my sh**. I made my money in America. And now I'm a rich piece of sh**. I'm a hypocrite. I'm a douchebag. You just, you got to surrender to being an older douchebag. That's what happens when you get older. This is great advice for you, Francis. You just become your parents.

48:41I mean... But your parents were poor, so forget that.

48:44Christina P:Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'm becoming my mother. That's worrying. That's worrying for all of us, my friend. Wait, is this like the Gallagher brothers? Is this where they still have to pretend to be like, I'm the king of Manchester. What does he say on that? I'm the mayor of Manchester. that even though he's like they clearly live yeah that's why i keep trying to tell him it's like you gotta let go you gotta like like but it's so but i it's so strong on people's side i love oasis for the record i'm huge fans i don't know if they watch the show but you can't give it a go but we for example we have a guy uh who's big he's become a big youtuber now he's very kind of progressive left-wing guy called gary's economics right this guy is a multi multi multi multi-millionaire who made his money in the city in the finance world and now he does videos in a dirty t-shirt about how the government is about to screw you over because you're working class right like and that works in britain because people look at him and they go well he looks like me he sounds like me and i'm going he's a multi-million yeah look i'm not having a go at him i'm just this is a way of explaining the classes wow no no i understand so he's playing both sides of the thing.

49:58Is the government screwing over the working class?

50:02Christina P:They're screwing over everybody at this point, I would say. I would say we have come to the point in the UK where actually the model is no longer working. All right, let's test this little thing that we're playing out here. How do you feel about tax the rich, Francis? How do I feel about tax the rich? Yeah. How do you feel about that as a slogan, huh? Tell me, Mr. Working Class, man. No, no, look. How do you feel about it? Tell me. Look, I think that what... No, go on. No, I'm trying to explain. I'm trying to explain. I think that in order to uplift the poorest in society, you need a strong economy...

50:34Christina P:You sound like a politician, mate. Trickle down economics. This is what Margot Weissbacher was saying, guys. I'm just a comedian. Rising tides lift all boats. That's what I'm saying. You just gotta work harder. Yeah, look, what people want is opportunity and the chance to succeed. No, it's not. No, it's not. They want to tax the rich, take their money, and then give it to themselves. That's what people actually want. 75 % of people in Britain support a wealth tax. Why aren't you one of them if you're a working class, mate? No, because I just, I think that those type of economics don't work on the long term.

51:12Christina P:I think they may sound good and they may feel good quite like socialism, but if you look at the actual way it's applied, I don't think it works out. So what you're saying is you care about the country. Yeah, exactly. Well, I think that is the big distinction between, at least last time I was in... It's a good answer. England is very diplomatic. Thank you. But you guys do... And I don't want to pay any f***ing tax. Because you know it's horse s***. Where does it go? I have a different view on that. I don't mind paying 50 % tax, which is what we effectively do in the UK. That's bonkers, bro. if that buys me and the entire country good public services, good infrastructure, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

51:53That's not what's happening, right? I was walking through London. Do you know, of course, you've been to London loads. You know Mayfair. It's like the richest part of the country. And I saw one of these on an electric bike with a balaclava on drive past a tourist, American tourist, because I could hear from the accent, and snatch like a boutique bag out of his hand, 20 miles an hour, just carry on like that, right? London is becoming, and then I tell people about it, everyone who lives in London is like, yeah, I had my phone stolen last week. I heard that. Like, that's not worth 50 % tax. No. That's why I left California.

52:34Right. That's how high I was getting there, and there was no service. There was nothing there. It was just homeless people living in the streets, and it was terrible. Yeah, and then you go, why am I living here? Why did I work my ass off for 20 years to give half my money to the government and they're not spending it properly? Yeah. So, but you guys do give a rip about your communities more than we do. Like these, uh, council houses, is that what they're called? They're fancy neighborhoods where like, you'll be in like a nice neighborhood and you're like, wait, what's that doing here?

53:04Christina P:And you're like, no, this is where the poor people get to live in this neighborhood? Like that blows my mind as an American. We don't never do that. You know, there are specific whole sections where we just push the poor. But like, does that work? I mean, look, until recently, I'm going to be honest with you, I think it did. I think where we are now, sadly, and I think this is why a lot of these people are saying tax the rich, wealth tax, is because the gap between rich and poor, it just seems to be growing all the time. and I think it's a huge problem and I don't think people on the right are actually honest when they're like oh people vote for Zora and Mandani for instance they're all dumb, they're all students, they're all woke it's like yeah but dude it's like four and a half grand a month rent for a basic flat in New York and that's fine if you can afford it but the vast majority of people who work hard, do good jobs are productive members of society they can't afford that so of course if someone comes along and goes freeze rent, screw landlords can you really blame them in a way?

54:07Christina P:Of course, of course. I know, but I don't know because I'm not there right now. Like in this country, like when I was in my 20s, I did anything and everything to like get by to become an artist. So I was working shitty day jobs. But the kids tell me now, they're like, there's no jobs. There's just no jobs. And I'm like, I don't know. Is that true? Is it not true? I'm out of touch. I don't know. Yeah, and it's kind of the worry because I don't think it works to call people. and we should have learned this from Trump and Brexit and all of this. When people are angry and they have an idea which doesn't work, like socialism and communism we've seen in our countries, it simply doesn't work.

54:47Christina P:You're not going to win someone over by calling them stupid or retarded or going, look at this person, that's X, Y, and Z. Just like you're not going to make people want to vote for Trump any less by going, oh, you're stupid, dumb, and racist. Yeah. These tactics don't work. And I think we face real issues within our own society and we need to have a conversation about it. How are we going to solve this? Because we can't have people who work all day, every day, barely living and just have the other side of it, which is a very few super rich. This episode has become us ranting at you about this.

55:22I love that. I want to know this stuff because all I know is what I see in TikTok. But it's also... What do you see on TikTok? I saw the protests. I saw a lot of right, like, hardcore right-wing people protesting Muslims in your country. And I was like, well, surely that's not the whole story, obviously. Because, I mean, look, in America, capitalism has worked to some extent, but it's terrible for the welfare overall of human beings. I think we know that. And you have to, like, divorce yourself from the inhumanity of capitalism, the way it works in our country. I don't know. I feel like you guys had a moderate system, yeah?

56:01Where there was a welfare state, is that what it's called? Yes. Yeah, where there's a basic level of humanity that's disappearing. I mean, in America too, we had some level of giving a rip about people, but it's just gone. I don't know. I feel like people are more and more... There's less of this happening face to face, right? Yeah. Like I can see in your face right now you're thinking and we're knowing we're having connection and there's this is very different than like these two these three assholes.

56:35Christina P:You rich bitch, you know, which, of course. Yeah. I don't know. But I don't know what's going to happen. But that's such a shame because I knew, do you know, like when I used to talk to people from America, their jobs, your jobs were so well paid. Even like you're a lorry driver, you would get like 100 grand a year. Oh, is that right? Yeah. You should have done that when you were straight. Whoops. You know, if you do all the overtime, and look, it's a tough, hard job when you're on the road and whatever else. But this idea that that's going is kind of... That's f***ed up. Yeah, and then AI is coming and then we're all f***ed.

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58:36It's already happening. It's really, we were talking with Joe about this, like it's going to be a wild ride. Yes. Yes. And I don't know how to prepare my children for that one. I don't think anyone knows. I don't even know if there's going to be such a thing as a job 20 years from now. Can we say that? Can we say there's going to be jobs? What if the AI and the robots do everything, right? Then we don't need to work. And you go, that's great. Is it though? Is it, have we ever had a time in human history when large numbers of people didn't have meaning and purpose and structure to their lives and had abundance.

59:17Saudi Arabia, oil money. Don't they take the oil money and divvy it up? Basically. Is that how that works? Again, I'm totally ignorant about economics, but. But, but Saudi Arabia. They have no purpose. They seem to be chilling pretty hard. It's a great example. The leisure class. Okay. Theoretically, we want to create like a leisure class, right? That's the point of AI, but you're right. It won't go that way. Why? Because men need to do things. Women can just exist. I think I can just chill and garden and pet my cats and pet my kids. You guys need to go out and fight stuff. Pick up swords, stab things.

59:52That's a male thing, man. You guys have itchy assholes and you need to go do things. That's such a good point. So what are you going to do? I don't know. Kill the robots?

1:00:02Christina P:I think some people are going to try. I hate them. I hate these cars that drive themselves around Austin. Every time I see one, I give it the bird and I call it the enemy. passive resistance yeah yeah you man yeah robots that's a really good point about men men need to do it's one of the interesting things that kind of got suppressed for a while is like we pretend there's no differences between men and women at the cultural level that's such a dumb thing to do have kids you had kids yet yeah what do you have boys girls i have a boy okay so i mean uh you know They come out wired this way. My kids make guns out of everything.

1:00:42There's nothing... I don't love guns. They do live in Texas. They do. Snakes and guns. Yeah. No, totally. My son just can't sit still. He just runs around and smashes into shit. Yeah. Hits things. And that's what he needs to do, because he's a boy. You know, and I get it, because I understand that, you know, women have been repressed for so long and subjugated and whatever, And then we got mad and we were like, we're going to do it. And now there needs to be a back come to Jesus again with the two of us. It's just too out of balance. And I think women have forgotten what their value is being feminine.

1:01:21There's so much power in the feminine. There's so much power in being a mother and a woman that's being devalued. It's too bad. I don't want to do what my husband does, especially after having cancer last year. I was like, you know what, dude, I don't want to do the road 50 weeks out of the year for what? more money, more fame, I don't care anymore. I do not care anymore. Let him do it. He likes that. Let him make the money. I want to sit home and garden, pet my cats. And there's value in that because I have two little boys that I'm raising. Yeah, it's such a profound point. I'm so glad you made it as well.

1:01:53Did you always want kids? That was such a funny segue. No, I thought I was a career woman and that I would just dominate the stand-up world and be a multimillionaire. There's a reason I ask you about this because it's kind of a weird thing as a guy to even delve, to even dip your toe in the waters of this conversation. But we are, this is a fact. I'm just saying what I'm experiencing. People can hate me, whatever. We are meeting a lot of people all over the world, but particularly in the US, UK, et cetera, who are women. We've got to their late 30s, early 40s. They haven't had kids. They haven't been able to find that relationship.

1:02:27Let's talk about this. You know where you're going, I think. And it's like, and a lot of them are like, sort of very carefully revealing that they kind of like feel like they would like to about what they're supposed to do with their life. They're supposed to do this. And now they did all that. And they're kind of like, wait, I didn't, I didn't end up where I wanted to end up. Meaning childless, unmarried. Yeah. Yeah, because I think we were sold bill of goods on feminism that just isn't how it is, right? So we needed to get out of the kitchen. This is true. We didn't have any choices. We didn't have no options, okay?

1:03:08So we needed Betty Friedan. We needed Gloria Steinem. But Gloria Steinem never had children. And that's the piece of feminism that is missing from all of this, is motherhood. How does that fit in? And how does marriage fit in? Because we figured out how to become independent of the system, kind of. But is that really what we all want, is to be outside of a system that has worked historically for thousands and thousands of years, and there's a biological drive to reproduce? And I think, too, if you spend, and this is just practical, I'm going to be 50 in June. And if I had daughters, this is what I would tell them, find the guy you're going to marry in your 20s.

1:03:51That's when Tom and I met. And if you're banging all of these dudes and you're wasting your time on the apps, having meaningless sex for two, what, your 20s, your 30s, and now you go, okay, I'm going to settle down. Now I'm going to get serious about finding a man. Well, guess what? All the first draft picks are gone because the good guys got married in their 20s and early 30s. And who's the leftover? You're like, oh, there's this one weird guy that's never had a girlfriend and you know so especially biologically that's a lie women have to adhere to their biology we can't have babies really in our 40s unless we have medical intervention which i did i'm totally open about that because i did the career thing first and then i did motherhood i have you know if i had to do it over again i would have said i don't know about this career thing i'll let my husband make the money and i i would have had 10 more kids.

1:04:48If I were 10 years younger, I would have had more. Yeah. Really? I love it. Because I think that's the meaning of this existence, is to love your family and love. What else is there? Fame? Who gives a shit? I'm going to be dead. No one's going to remember me in a few years, right? Who remembers Benny Hill? Do you guys even know who the fuck that is? Yeah, of course. He's a legend. But I don't think about him as often as I think about my son. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But then again, the societal pressure for women is much less to achieve. We just have to be attractive and thin and young.

1:05:24You guys have to be rich. And successful. And tall, yeah. At least two of the three. At least two of the three, yeah. You could, yes, exactly. You could be ugly and rich.

1:05:35Christina P:That's fair enough. But thanks for looking at me while she's saying that.

1:05:47Christina P:But I was going to ask a serious question. Yeah, go on, mate. Okay. But, you know, it seems that women have been sold a dud. Yeah. And it's only now that they're waking up. And I really hope that we're going to have an honest conversation about this because the number of women I've spoken to, These are really smart women, career women, lawyers, whatever it may be. And they're unaware of their own biology. Because they weren't taught it in school. No one explained to them, hey, if you want kids, the best time to have it is probably in your mid-20s. Yeah, biologically, yes. Emotionally, yeah. You know, I'm actually relatively happy that we had our son in our late 30s.

1:06:33Because the parent that I am is like, I mean, 20-year-old me was a f***ing idiot. Yeah. Right. I mean, 30 year old me was an idiot. I'm still kind of an idiot, but like, but less so over time. So there's probably some kind of middle ground. It just feels like what I see is a lot of people are just a lot of women are getting to that age and they're just realizing that the thing that they thought they were supposed to focus on is not the thing that makes them happy. A hundred percent. And if you say that, you're going to get crucified. I just did. But that's why people don't say it. I was just thinking about this this morning.

1:07:10I'm a toilet. I'm so excited that we're talking about this. Really? You were thinking about this?

1:07:14Christina P:I was this morning. Why are you thinking about it? Because, like I said, I've been through a major illness. I've been through two kids. I've had fame. I've had money. I've traveled. I've done a lot of shit. And now in my 50s, I'm going to go, okay, well, what is it? What is it? What's the thing? What's the work here? Is it to be happy? What does that mean? Was it about the stuff? Was it about getting famous? No. And I... I'm getting lost in my own sauce. What did you say before? Sorry. I just said, why were you thinking about it on the toilet? Because it's... What's the point? Like, what does make women happy?

1:07:53Sorry, that was it. What makes women happy? And I was thinking on the toilet, well, what makes me happy is, unfortunately, or fortunately, the traditional things. And now, had I said that to my 20-year-old self, I would be horrified, because I was a good feminist. And I fought my way through comedy, and I did all the clubs. I wasn't, I'll show you, I'll be the best female comic. And I carried this anger that compelled me for 20 years, right? And then you become a mom, and I got humbled by illness. And then I was like, okay, so what makes me happy? I know what makes me happy. I can't speak for all women.

1:08:34But is there something to my biology, to my essence? Possibly. Possibly. Do we know what makes all men happy? I don't... Yeah, we do. Stakes, blowjobs, football, yeah. I'm not that into football, but yeah. But I think, too, it's like this... It was the male ideal of success that ruined women. It was this idea that in order to become equal, we had to be like you.

1:08:59Christina P:Yes. That's the problem. I have to have my career exactly like Todd's. I have to be successful. Like, this is not going to work for me. This is not going to work because I'm a mother. My body can't keep up with this pace of work. It's not good. And it makes the woman angry, resentful, bitter. And now I'm useless because if my kid can't come for a snuggle and my cat can't come, you know, I'm the center of the home. This is the truth. And it's not pretty to say anymore. But that's just, that's what I learned. And it's so interesting that you touched on power before, because we were talking about power, and women want to be powerful like men are powerful.

1:09:38Christina P:Women are super powerful. Just not in the same way. Just not in the same way. A hundred percent, babe. We are the ones, the puppet masters, no offense, but there's a reason I'm sitting here talking to you. And my husband's on a plane to Indiana right now. Okay? And I mean, I'm so grateful that he does do that. I'm not saying that I manipulate him to do that. He wants to do that. But yeah, women's lives can be fantastic if you let the guys just do their own f***. Let them f***ing do it. I always think about Margaret Thatcher. I'm fascinated by her, too. When she got into Parliament and her voice was too high, so she had to talk in a lower register to be understood by the men and this and that.

1:10:23To be taken seriously. To be taken seriously. she had to masculinize herself and like okay maybe that's what she liked but at what cost to her spiritually i don't know i don't know her i don't know she didn't seem terribly happy she seemed to work a whole lot maybe that was her secret to happiness and it's also as well and i'd

1:10:42Christina P:love to get your opinion on this there's the whole kind of sex positive thing and there's part of me that goes that's that's just an idea from a dude who's like let's be free polyamory is not a female Do you know what I mean? No, and behind that, there's some dumb bitch on TikTok going, and I love being polyamorous. It's the best thing for us. I get my partner. I will say this, and again, this is very controversial too. Spiritually and physically, it is not good for women to be promiscuous. I couldn't do it. And I put it this way. Like, a guy blasts a load into you. think about that like just a dude blasts his load and be like who are you bro that you're just gonna dump your clip in me and then like i would carry the biological responsibility of that it just seems rude for just some stranger to dump his semen inside of me and i should thank him for that like who the are you bro more respect like what happened to like no court me you gotta court me take me out for dinner at least take me out for dinner and then maybe i'll you you know but coffee date is not what people are doing coffee dates now and i don't know francis is the one that's dating francis are you dating i am dating okay so tell me dumping clips this is going to be a great clip by the way

1:12:18Christina P:Yeah. So this is what I found very interesting about the apps. It's that I call it Nescafe dating, which is like when you meet someone in real life, IRL as a kid, so whatever it may be. IRL. Yeah. There's, you get to know each other. You're like, oh, I like her. She's nice. Let's, oh, can I find a way that we can, like, let's say you work together. Let's sit down. Let's talk. And, you know, on a Tuesday, you might have a snatch of a conversation. You're about 20 minutes like, oh, she's really cool and she likes this stuff. And then next week, you know, she's at the water cooler. So you're like, OK, let's go and talk.

1:12:54Christina P:And gradually over time, something builds and you realize that you have in common. You have shared memories, shared experiences and something blossoms. Yes. Whereas when you do the app, like, OK, we're going to meet here at this time and whatever else. And then you sit and you have this conversation. and if you're good at having a conversation, you know ways to make it work and whatever else. But it's very superficial. It's like a tree with no roots. Whereas if you meet someone organically and it blossoms over time, it has roots, which means that when there's challenges that come, there's things that hold it in place, which an instant app or whatever, it simply doesn't.

1:13:35That's true. And you're less likely to blow that person off because I hear it's really common to just kind of forget somebody that you've started an interaction with, and then you're like, oh, whatever. That's so rude. It is. And it wouldn't happen in real life, IRL, if you were by, yeah, if you saw that bitch every day, and you're like, what's up, Henny? Where have you been?

1:13:58Christina P:Exactly, because there's consequences to your actions. And because when we see someone online, we kind of, they're an avatar. They're not a real person. they're just like a little that's so scary dude i i'm glad i got married at 20. oh you did oh yeah is she good russian woman ukrainian even better even better so strong i'm good yeah yeah it's the best it's the best see because my hungarian mother she told me this stuff that the woman has to get you have to find this early because nature comes in cycles nature comes you have to do things in the time and that wisdom this ancient european wisdom is not being handed down or maybe women aren't telling their daughters like no no dude the guy doesn't want the girl who every guy in the village has taken a ride that's shaming why am i like no and i've got friends that are sluts and i shame them right to their faces well so you say the mothers are not telling the daughters i don't know is it that or is it that i don't know a the daughter may be not listening a yeah and b the daughter is going to school yeah where she's being told no no no no no no no you need to do this yeah this is part of your right this is what everyone's doing yeah right and then you've got cultural influence and then you've got tick tock I know.

1:15:24So you put all that together and like, because see, and then the other weird thing is this has become political. Like what you're saying, what we are talking about is like right wing, right? And I'm like, what? How did that happen? What, like getting married and having kids while it's like, so that you have the rest of your life together and you, is that, that's political? That makes sense. I know. Somehow it got switched because I always considered myself a 90s liberal. And then now that's considered conservative. Right. I don't know what happened. I'm still a 90s liberal in my head, man. Like, I don't know what the label means.

1:16:01I can't. I don't know what the fuck the label means. But I think that, yeah, we got to shame these whores. I think that's a great place to end. In fact, I think that should be the title of the episode. Yeah, exactly. We got to shame these whores. You're a f***ing whore, Francis. All right. Well, we have some whores. We are going to ask you questions from our supporters. I'm sure they're even more ridiculous than the ones we've submitted. So that will be on the triggerpod.co.uk on the website. Before we do, though, the question we always end with, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be?

1:16:34And, you know, we've covered whores. Yeah. The aliens. The f***ing aliens. Not the illegals. Right. I'm telling you, man. I don't know if you've heard about David Rush. Yes. Going in front of Congress. testifying that UAPs are real. They're interdimensional beings and what have you. Now, what the f*** is going on with this? What is this game? Is this a theater that the government is having? Is it actual disclosure where they're really telling us that there are UAPs, that there are aliens, but then they want plausible deniability, so then they have a guy like David Greshko on there and go like, yeah, there's all these backdoor programs.

1:17:14We never knew about it. Or whatever. the government doesn't know about it what the is this do you guys even know i'm talking about because i know it's like not no i know you americans love love do you know like 80 i don't know if this is true someone fact check me but i think like 80 percent of alien sightings are in north america yes and i don't think that's because the aliens love america that much what do you think it is the drugs our drugs are better i don't we love this country yeah and we We love Americans, but let's be honest, right? You are the descendants of all the crazy people that left Europe, right?

1:17:51And you went over here and you created an amazing country out of thin air. I'm going to skip over the Native American. Yeah. Right. And your whole thing is like, anything is possible. So you're like, anything's possible. What if there's aliens? What if there's this? Americans love conspiracies in the way that no one else does. We do because we know them to be true. Watergate. We have a distrust in our own system, because they've proven to us that they're sh**bags. So, that's why I find intriguing. Aliens. All right. Head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where we continue the conversation. How significant was the comedian outlook on life in dealing with cancer?

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00:00 - Introduction

05:10 - America Is The One Country You Would Think To Be Immune From Communism

17:41 - There's A Feud In Comedy Right Now

24:04 - I Love Piers Morgan Shi**ing On Meghan Markle

34:55 - Do You Think Macron's Wife Is A Dude?

37:54 - Can We Talk About The Muslims In Britain?

44:20 - The Class System In The UK

50:42 - The Gap Between The Rich And Poor Is Growing

55:53 - AI Removing Our Need To Work And Whether This Is A Good Thing

01:02:57 - Women Have Been Sold A Lie

01:05:00 - What Makes Women Happy?

01:13:54 - What's The One Thing We're Not Talking About That We Really Should Be?
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