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24:11And he was running for office, and Donald Trump was running for office. Now, the context of Donald Trump. I don't know what the people are smoking today, but back then, before Donald Trump ran for office, he was the man. Donald Trump was world known. He's, you know, a real estate guy to make a lot of money. Everybody loved Trump. Nobody said anything bad about Trump unless they were jealous of his success. So he's running for office. You got a serious man that's a Christian and he got Donald Trump. And at the time, Donald Trump, to me, it was like he was kind of like mocking the political process.

24:46Right. He go in, he say whatever he want to say. He's making these people look stupid because they got to read a script and they got to say all these things right. And he's just saying whatever come to his mind. And in my mind, he was just doing that, getting fame. You know, he's on television, name recognition, and he's going to go off and be a billionaire and doing his own thing. But Ben Carson drops out of the race and he endorsed Trump. And I'm like, Ben Carson is not a fool. Like, it's gotta be some reason why he's endorsing Trump. Maybe Trump, and he was leading in the polls at the time, Donald Trump was.

25:14So in Tucson, Donald Trump has an event, he has a rally. And so I worked the night shift and I said, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna stay up and I'm gonna go to this rally. I need to see if this guy's real. I mean, he's really serious about this or he's just a celebrity going on tour. And in the media during that time, Donald Trump was considered a racist. He was, they show these videos of him kicking black people out of his rallies. And it was this whole sentiment of the white supremacists who were backing this guy and this racist guy who's now doing all these things. But I get there and the protesters were out of control.

25:52They were screaming at people. Somebody yelled at me and said I was a white supremacist. Now you know how stupid that is. I mean, probably the only black guy there that I'm a white supremacist. And I get into the event, so I see how crazy and lunacy, they burning incense. I mean, they're trying to block the doorway. way. All my cops, all my cop friends are there trying to protect people. They got a lock on so they don't bum rush the doors. I mean, it was insane because Hillary Clinton had just come the day before her and Bernie Sanders did at the same venue. Nobody cared. Nobody showed up. There was no, there was no confrontation or nothing.

26:23They just came and went. But for some reason, when Trump was there, they were acting a fool. We get into the event. Everybody was nice. Everybody was cool. It was like America. Everybody was blending. You had black, you had white, you had veterans, you had all this stuff it was very different than what the media was showing donald trump come out he's a rock star everybody loved him he said everything that i believed in that i wanted america to be donald trump was saying those things and he kind of won my vote and i said you know what the media was so deceptive and the the lies that had been told was so ridiculous that i said i'm gonna make a video about it now i didn't make a video because i was a social media guy i was not on social media whatsoever.

27:04I would just post scriptures on social media. I was a cop. And as a cop, you have to avoid social media stuff altogether. So I just didn't want to type out my whole experience on some news thread. So I said, I'm going to make a video. And I made a video, went to sleep, and thought nothing of it. I wake up to 35-minute calls. Now, in my mind, I'm like, oh, did I miss my shift? Am I fired? Like, what happened? I didn't think nothing about that rally or that video. I started to look through my phone. I see Sean Hannity, the Fox and French, the people that are calling me, the BBC called me. And like I could see it on the call ID.

27:41And at the time, I wasn't in the politics like that. So I had no idea. I never even watched Fox News. I never I didn't know who Sean Hannity was. None of those things. So I get to the I call the police station and I'm like, hey, what happened? Like, well, why are these people calling me? And they're like, you made some video. And I still didn't know what they were talking about because I didn't think nothing of this this rally. And I'm thinking to myself, like, what video did I make? Like, am I in trouble? Am I going to get fired? And then they done on me like, oh, that Trump rally video. And she's like, yeah, you went to a rally or something.

28:11I'm like, oh, shoot. And that kind of is where it all started. It went viral. And one reason, because Donald Trump shared it. And I think that at the time, I was one of the only Black men who openly said something positive about Donald Trump publicly. And I think that's why it went viral. and from that point on I became a Republican. I was a Trump supporter and I continued to realize that maybe I do have a voice. Maybe I should continue to speak to things that I'm seeing and I would make Facebook videos live because I didn't know how to edit videos. I didn't know you could make any money off this stuff.

28:47I was a cop. I love being a cop. I wanted to be a chief one day. I think nothing about social media. So but I just kept making these videos and they kept going viral. I did that for about a year. And in 2017, Colin Kaepernick, he had done it in 2016 or something like that. This is when that knucklehead was kneeling for the national anthem. And kneeling for the national anthem in America for rational people is blasphemous. You know, not everybody, even to this day, everybody stands for the national anthem. You put your hand over your heart, even if you don't like the country or not, it doesn't matter.

29:22because the historical context of all that we've done in this country is all encapsulated in the national anthem, right? The strides that we made forward going from slavery to equal opportunity for everybody in America. And so him doing that was very angering to people like me that love my country and, you know, all of that stuff. And so I made a video one day, and it's a deeper story because being a police officer comes with a lot of stresses, you know, and you see the most horrifying things on a day-to-day basis. I mean, decapitated people, dead children. Nobody calls you when they're having a good day, right?

30:02They're not inviting you to the wedding. They're inviting you when somebody got stabbed at the wedding and the marriage is just falling apart. So it comes with a level of of of turmoil that that meticulates down into every other aspect of your life if you if you let it get to you. And so at this point, to be honest, and I never really talk about this, but I was in a slight depressed state at this point. I had considered and not in any meaningful way. Right. But I consider, do I even want to live anymore? and it's some more detailed stuff. I don't, you know, I don't want to get too crazy about it, but I was at a very low point to the point where my dad was calling me and I didn't answer the phone.

30:48And my parents are like, you're not answering the phone. Something's wrong. We're going to fly out there. So my dad had flown out and my stepmom had flown out to Tucson. They came. I had no groceries in the refrigerator. Being a cop, you barely make any money. I was living check to check. And so I'm in this like very depressed state, but I'm not telling anybody, right? I'm just kind of accepting it on my own. And my dad and them came out and they stayed with me and it made me feel a lot better. They bought me groceries and so I'm feeling good. We all, my dad, step-mama, me, we all gonna take a nap.

31:22We had all been out there in the day, we're gonna take a nap. And I'm laying in my bed and one of my friends that I became really friends with lived in Australia at the time, and when I make that first viral video, me and him became friends. And he had told me, because he had called me right when I was taking a nap, right before I went to sleep. And he said, hey, Brandon, you got to make a video about Colin Kaepernick. And I said, you know what, man? Everybody's made videos about him. I don't need to make an additional video and be just one more person talking about it. One of my friends, James T.

31:48Harris, he was a radio guy. He had made a video, had 14 million views. And I'm like, there's nothing more I need to say about this. You know, I'm going to take a nap and I'm going to be done with this stuff. He said, no, man, like, there's something to this. Like, you have a unique perspective. You need to make a video. And I kind of thought about it. I brushed him off. While I'm laying down, I'm texting a guy, arguing with a guy who I played football with, who played in the NFL, who was on my team. We actually played the same position. He played safety at the University of Arizona. Me and him going back and forth.

32:15And he hit me with something that was like, I consider a low blow. We're arguing about Colin Kaepernick. And he tells me, you just mad because you didn't play in the NFL. Now, you know that all of that came to one bubble when he said it and I just got infuriated. And it brought in perspective that like, you know what, screw you. Because being a police officer is a lot more honorable and have more integrity than being just a football player. You know, being a football player, you lose a game, you know, you're sad, you come back, you play another game. In policing, there's no losing games. You don't come home.

32:56Your family will never see you again. and the wins and losses in policing versus football is a different scenario so I guess I get mad I go to the car put my SWAT hat on I'm sitting in a hot car in the garage because you know I'm thinking I'm just gonna rant for like five minutes I get in there man I do this rant didn't say nothing I wanted to say right I had this plan of what I wanted to say during the rant I do this rant I didn't say really nothing I wanted to say I was just really angry I get out the car I go to sleep take my nap. I wake up and my phone is going ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

33:30Every second for like, it was doing this for like a week straight. That video had gotten 70 million views of me in my car. And I remember riding with my guy, Jake, and we were riding and he was driving and I'm the passenger on duty. And I was just looking at my phone and these notifications and cases are going off and millions of views coming in. And I remember telling him like, dude, I think this is gonna change my life. And he was like, you say that about every video you make. I'm like, no dude, like this is crazy. Like it's a million views almost every few hours. And it did, it changed my life.

34:06Because an organization out of Anthem, Arizona, which is just north of Phoenix, they, and it's a little backstory because I had met with them before because they were thinking about me doing some work with them while I was a cop. and I wasn't popular enough for them at the time, right? So then this video gets 70 million views and they call me and they go, hey, we want to offer you a job. We want to offer you to be the spokesperson of Conservative Tribune was the company at the time. And they were going to pay me$20 ,000 more a year than I made as a cop. They bought all of my social media, which was the worst thing that I could have done, but God rescued me.

34:40And I'm going to tell you about that. They bought all my social media for like 30 something thousand dollars. Now you got to think, I only made$45 ,000 a year as a cop before taxes. So really, I was making about$30 ,000 or something a year after tax. So the financial offer that they gave me was almost something I couldn't really refuse. And they said, look, it's just a year. If you don't like it, you can go back to being a cop. And I said, I'm going to give it a try. So I left the police department. And some people online, they go, you left because of the Ferris thing? They loved me on the police department.

35:13I was the mouthpiece of all the cops that couldn't speak out. And the unique part about it, because I was black. And so being a black cop was very different than the white cops, because a white cop will come out and criticize a shooting against a black man and they call him a racist. I come out and criticize and they couldn't call me a racist. It wouldn't stick, you know, it sounds stupid calling a black man a racist. And so they, people on the police department love me. All my lieutenants, the captains, they were like, keep going Brandon, keep telling the truth. So I go, I leave and I join them.

35:45and three months in, Facebook changed their algorithm. They were getting 20 ,000, no, you're getting about 40 ,000 concurrent views 24 hours a day, seven days a week. When Facebook changed their algorithm, it went down to 2 ,000 views concurrent. I mean, they pretty much lost their company. And this is right around the same time I met Candace Owens. She had hit me up on TikTok. I mean, it was not TikTok. It was Twitter at the time, not X. So it was Twitter. She hit me up like, hey, and this is when she first started. She was red pill black. She wasn't even candy zones. She had made some little amateur video and it was viral.

36:20So her and I were like two viral black conservatives at the time. And we became really good friends. You know, we met. There's a whole story about the first time we met, and I have to tell you that. But we met. And then so therefore, when they started going into business, they gave me an ultimatum. They said, look, we promised you a year so you can stay for the rest of the year. And then we have to let you go if nothing improves or you can leave now. and we'll give you back all of your social media for free. And of course I was like, at the time I was already praying to God, God, please let me get my social media back.

36:52I think it was a mistake. You know, all of my, they own everything I have. And at the time when they bought it all, I didn't have much. So now it's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. But at the time I had 34 ,000 subscribers on YouTube, 34 ,000 subscribers on TikTok, on X or Twitter. And I had a hundred thousand subscribers on Facebook. but my stuff was just blowing up and so candace hits me up because she was begging me to come to turning point with charlie and her and uh when when they finally was like hey we're gonna let you go i called candace i said hey i'm i'm free now i'm a free agent she's like you got to come to turning point with me and i became the the uh i took about a month off and i became the urban engagement director she was the spokesperson or something like that and then charlie obviously ran Turning Point.

37:39So that's when I transitioned to Turning Point. And from there, it was history, you know, from Turning Point to going on my own. And then I'm where I'm at now. But I got to tell you the story about how I met Candace, because this is just indicative of who Candace is. And so who she really is, you know, people don't really know Candace. They think they know Candace. But Candace, she hit me up and her family lives in Phoenix. Some of her family, her dad and some family members and we were very close like even to this day you know her her aunt was at my son's football game yesterday or two days ago so she say i want you to meet and let's see if we you know have some connection and we can do content together so she lands in mesa we go to this restaurant i'm thinking it's just me and her so we go i show up her whole family is there and we argued me candace and one of her other family members against the other family members who were leftists or not even leftists they were democrats and we literally argued until they had to kick us out of the restaurant for like three hours of just arguing and arguing and that was my first time ever meeting candace in person so fast forward we're at turning point we come together charlie allis and then that led me to where i'm at today i mean i know it's a mouthful No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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39:59Francis Foster:Go to hillsdale.edu slash trigger and dig into totalitarian novels. That's hillsdale.edu slash trigger. A world class education entirely free. It's a wonderful story packed with, you know, twists and turns, you know, starting off as a football player. and what you call yourself, which is a black conservative, which is really interesting because when you came out, or came out, as it were, not literally like that, but you know what I mean, and you said, you know, they could never call a black man racist or that stupid. I was like, yeah, they can. I've seen it happen loads. But why does that happen?

40:36Why is it the moment someone who is black or an ethnic minority says an opinion that is mildly conservative, all of a sudden that epithet is holding you. Right, because at first they couldn't. Now they can morph themselves into whatever they want to try to claim that you're the black face of white supremacy is what they say. I mean, I literally had D.L. Hughley just yesterday say that I'm the voice for pushing white supremacist talking points, which is the stupidest thing you ever say. But when it first happened, when Trump was, it was an anomaly, Trump was never considered a racist, then they made him a racist.

41:10But then all the black people support him. people hated on you, but they really couldn't really put their finger on it. They couldn't just call you a racist. That was a dynamic that didn't exist at the time. But then now it is absolutely crazy what they say now because they were losing the battle of ideas when the anomalies occurred. Like if a person who was gay was supporting Republicans or supporting Christians or something, it was like their minds started popping because that's not in their bingo cards. and now they've morphed into finding a position to put you in now. Now they can openly say that you're working for the white man and you're working for white supremacy and you're a traitor to your race or you're a traitor to your gender or you're a traitor to the movement.

41:54And they've been able to morph that into reality. I think it's completely ridiculous, but they don't operate in reality. They operate off emotions and they weaponize empathy to get the people that they don't like that are saying the things that contradict their entire existence they try to pigeonhole you so people don't talk about you anymore, or at least they have a negative perception. They don't want to hear what you have to say. So now I'm framed as a black man who don't know my identity. You know, I'm now a black man who love white people more than I love my own people, like they say, that I'm lost.

42:30I'm a slave on a plantation, which is obviously the complete opposite of what the reality is. But what I don't understand is how they don't have just, it's not intelligence, but just a self-reflection to go, oh, what I'm saying is racist. Like some of them openly use racial slurs. Oh yeah. And you see white people doing it. Oh yeah. To black people because they have a conservative voice. You go, my man, this is not a good look. Yeah. We don't count anymore to them and their perspective of hierarchy of victimhood. Like we don't count anymore. If you're a liberal and a black person and a white person say anything to you that could be an affront to your identity, to them, they will counsel white people over that.

43:18But if you're on this side, you don't count anymore as a black man. You don't count anymore as being gay or whatever you are, that's opposed to their ideology. you don't get the exceptions anymore. Somehow racism is a big thing in this world and discrimination against blacks is a thing to them. But then if you're black and conservative, it don't matter. They don't care. They will discriminate against you. They will be racist against you, black and white. And there's another dynamic and I'm sure we'll get to that point. Now, if you support Israel, oh, I have never had people be more openly racist against me until I supported Israel.

43:55So now that's another, But like we go on the table, a perspective is like you're conservative now. You voted for Trump. You have no exceptions, but they still kind of hold off a little bit. You support Israel. All bets are off. They can say they want to kill you and everybody will turn their blind eye to it. There's so many you're bringing up so many things that I want to like that.

44:15Francis Foster:We've got Israel. We've got Candace. We've got. But there's something interesting. I mean, I feel like you guys are having conversations maybe a couple of years old because then you left the Mamdani type of people. They've moved on from the racial stuff. I noticed they don't play that game anymore. They're talking about economic inequality, which I think is a real issue in both our countries. But I wanted to ask you about Mamdani because it looks like he's going to be the mayor of New York. Which is insane. And you're a former police officer. And this is a guy who is on record over and over and over saying defund the police.

44:47Francis Foster:First of all, before you give your opinion about that, what would happen in America if you defund the police? if you actually don't have as many police officers? Yeah, we'll turn into a third world country. I mean, almost, I don't know, give it six months. If you, well, let's talk about defunding the police because the politicians say things that are not real. Like they use defunding, there's two sides of it. There's the rhetoric of defunding the police and there's actually defunding the police. A lot of times they use the rhetoric, but they never really defund the police because it's fiscal year funding.

45:26right? So they go, we're going to defund the police, we're going to defund the police, but the police funding already exists. So they tell people they have to get them to vote for them. And then in reality, they never really defund the police. But then there's people who actually do defund the police, which, and they lie about statistical data points, because when you defund the police, therefore you have less police out, less arrests are happening. Therefore the crime has gone down. Wait a minute. That's not really what's happening. It's just that you don't have enough police to actually stop people from robbing other people.

45:54And when the people have lost trust that they can't call the police and get a real response. They quit calling. They don't mean that they stopped getting robbed. They don't mean that people aren't breaking in their cars. They don't mean that sexual assault is not happening. They don't mean that shots are not being fired in the middle of the street. It's just that they're not reporting because they're not responding anymore. When you defund the police, you demoralize the police because the rhetoric is demoralization even before you actually take the money. When you show the police department, men and women that go out and put their life online every single day, putting their goals, aspirations, lifestyle, family aside to protect people who are perfect strangers.

46:31When your city say they don't really care about your service, it becomes demoralizing. Then cops are saying, well, they don't care about me, so I'm not going to go over up and beyond to do my job. I'm just going to answer the call when they call. Because in America, there's a thing called proactive policing, which is the biggest proponent of successful policing that exists is proactively policing. That means that before a person call after they've gotten robbed or raped or something, you are out patrolling and looking and identifying things that could be an issue, stopping out with people that are suspicious.

47:07And then you find out that that person is wanted for murder, you know, that proactive side. So when they say they're to defund you the morality drops cops stop doing their job and you know as far as they begin to do the bare minimum then you have cops that people that don't want to apply for the police department so you're left with two things when it comes to that category is that good cops don't show up the bad people who just want a job or they got power trips they show up to the job so now you've influxed bad cops into the scenario and good cops don't want to join and good cops with veteran experience begin to retire early.

47:46That's before you ever take the money. Then when you get to the point where you're starting to take the money, you are now depleted and you cannot recruit. And so you have cops that are disgruntled, waiting to retire, cops that don't want to work. Then you cut the resources back from policing so it's less cops. Then you can't recruit any cops, so it's even less cops. Then the public is now running amok. People are committing way more crimes. And then they want to refund the police, but you have no police because you've lost trust. So that whole scenario is so detrimental to the success of policing in America that some places never recover.

48:29Some places will never recover. They will never have adequate law enforcement because you cannot have a Mimdani say all the things that he said, lose the trust from NYPD. And then all of a sudden he say, no, I want to start recruiting again. And they don't believe you. You're not going to really be you. You're a politician running your mouth. You're not really going to do anything for us. So if, in fact, all of the cities who are saying these things actually defunded the police, we would we wouldn't have a country anymore. And I think people don't understand that. And one reason is because they don't know what cops do on a day-to-day basis.

49:04Thwarting the people before they rape and kill you is something that police do actively. Arresting people and putting them in jail, people who will commit habitual crimes, is something that they do. The barking dog call, the disturbance call, neighbors having conflict that will lead to violence if there's no intervention. Mentally ill people in this country running around everywhere we go. We were just driving over here and a guy sticking his middle finger up. And I don't know, ghosts. That guy's mentally ill. And the public is not equipped to deal with a person like that one to one. Right. Meaning you go to a bus stop and this guy's crazy.

49:41What do you do? Then he stab and kill you. Right. Versus a cop will pull over and check on him and be able to take him to a facility if necessary. So, you know, we're in a bad precedent if we begin to have Mdani's leading these cities because it's not based on reality. It's based on a virtue signal. It's based on saying, hey, people, constituents, let me play on your emotion, your victimhood. You are being mistreated by police. They're racist. Yeah, we're going to defund them. We're going to bring public servants or not public servants. We're going to bring civilians in to take over these things where police are too aggressive.

50:18Yeah, that makes sense. And they weaponize emotionalism against people to get the vote. And then they get in the office and they effed over people. And what they do is they don't fix it. They continue to blame other people for the fallout. Now Trump is the problem because he's bringing in the National Guard. No, no, he's not. You guys effed over the people by defunding police and all of that. And now the crime is out of control and now the federal government has to get involved. Or the people will just be uninhabitable. They can't live in an environment like that. And then, you know, it goes, the cycle goes and then the communities go to crap.

50:53And it's a negative scenario all around.

50:56Francis Foster:And where does this perception come from? I mean, you talked when you were talking about your own story that growing up, you were taught the police are racist, the police hate. You had bad experiences yourself with is is the perception of the police being racist. Does that come from a history of being racist or present that there are some people who are racist within the police? Is it more of a myth? Like, where do you come down on that? It's it's a multitude of things. There are situations where people experience real racism from police officers, right? And then you have the dynamic of white cops patrolling black communities.

51:32And there is a dynamic of racism that has occurred previously. And there's also a dynamic of people being racially insensitive, meaning if you don't live in a community, you don't know community norms. And therefore, conflict happens between people and there's miscommunication, right? A cop enforced the law, but they don't understand that. Like, for instance, black people have cultural differences, just like any other culture. And if you don't understand a cultural difference, you're insensitive to the cultural difference. And people will see that as an affront versus seeing it as we're just different.

52:07So a cop may be heavy handed on a scenario that in the community is not as big of a deal, like loud demeanor. Like black people are loud. Not all, but it's it's a thing. Right. Black people talk loud. They are more, I don't know, I want to say flamboyant to a certain degree. They're more, I won't say aggressive. It comes across as more aggressive. But Black people in the community don't see it as aggressive, right? Loud talking, loud music. Some people are sagging their pants. And in the community, it's not as big of a deal. But when you're a cop and you never lived in a community, now you see that, oh, that's a threat.

52:47And the miscommunication has happened over time. The cultural dynamic and miscommunication has happened over time. And people pass that trauma down through policing when policing have changed a lot. Right. It's no longer police are enforcing segregation laws. But my grandmother still feel the effects of segregation laws and grandmother pass it down to your dad and your dad pass it down to your son. But policing have changed. There's no Jim Crow laws anymore. Policing have become a lot more dynamic. There's a lot more accountability. So some of it is coming from a history of racism, in part, in a history of a dynamic of racial clash without understanding.

53:33And the white man is the enforcer, the black man is on the other side of it. And I think some of those things matriculate down in a way that it shouldn't have. I wish that people would mold with society and have open communication, but it doesn't occur like that. So people in my community telling me to hate police come from something that I've never experienced and that's not even real in my time. And I now see the world through a lens of somebody else's trauma that I don't really have a real experience with. So now when I see a cop that pulled me over, I'm looking through the lens of my grandmother, great-grandmother.

54:10And I'm like, oh, they're pulling me over because I'm black, right? Because this is what they do. When in reality, that's not what they do anymore. This is not a reality. But I have made it a reality, which creates hate in my heart for cops. And then if it's unchecked, you begin to teach your kids the same scenario. And then all it takes for politicians and the media is to weaponize the emotional experience. If you're a homeowner in America, you need to listen to this.

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56:09Francis Foster:And I was staying with friends of mine who were black. And they were talking about it on social media all the time, on Facebook. I see it every day. So I was like, let me read up on it. So I read, I spent, I think, a whole week, I didn't have that good a job at the time, I had lots of spare time, reading the transcript of the grand jury thing, right? And I kind of realized what the media was saying and what actually happened according to all the evidence were two very different things. And then case after case after case. And look, obviously George Floyd was such a huge explosion in our country as well as yours.

56:46Francis Foster:And to this day, I don't know what happened. But what I do know everyone thinks happened, it was a racist incident. No one has ever explained to me what the evidence of that is. Now, maybe there is evidence of that. I don't know. But I haven't heard it. There's no evidence of it. It's the same traumatic experience passed down. The lenses of racism applied media manipulation for views, clicks and pushing propaganda. Michael Brown. See, as a this is what this is how I became very important in the space, because cops can't talk about this stuff, but I could talk about it. So as a cop, you mean white cops, white cops can't talk about it, which is like the majority of cops.

57:31Well, the majority of cops are the majority of the country. When you go to the South, there's way more black cops. I mean, 50 % of the Georgia police department is black. So, you know, in the South where most black people live, but the majority of the country is white. So as a cop, when you listen to the story and it says, Michael Brown had hands up, don't shoot, and was executed in the middle of the street. The cop walked up to him in a black neighborhood and shot him in the head. Now the media wants to push the narrative because you know how crazy that sound, you know, I mean people are gonna be mad Uproar clicks watching they want to see what's going on.

58:06They manipulated that as a cop you like That don't seem reasonable. A white cop in a black neighborhood has a young man with his hands up in front of everybody and walk over and shoots him in the head and executes him. That didn't happen. Right. And so a person like me is like, man, let me look into this a little more. But people who are low information, people are susceptible to media manipulation. They jump hook, line and sinker. Some of the witnesses on the scene said he had his hands up and he was shot. I said, no, no, no, let me look into this real quick. And then when you go to look at it methodically, you go, yeah, he pretty much did a strong-arm robbery situation at a store.

58:50The cop didn't know it, but he goes off. He's walking in the middle of the street, him and another guy. Cop tell him, please get out the street. The other guy gets off the street. He's on the sidewalk. Michael Brown said he wasn't going to do it. He's 6 '5", a 6 '3", 300-pound kid. The cop don't know that he's 17, 18. that like a grown man and he's defiant so then we as we know the scenario you know he tries to take the cop's gun there was a fire the shot fired he charges the cop the cop shoots him barack obama and his doj did a full investigation which and and before the investigation was completed barack obama and his doj went to michael brown's funeral now as a cop we know that it happen that way.

59:33But why is the president doing this? He's virtue signaling. The DOJ did a conclusive investigation that the police officer acted appropriately and according to policy and was cleared, not only locally, state, but the federal government. Barack Obama never recanted, never said anything about it. But the images in the minds of Black people who has this generational trauma that's been passed down, see that Barack Obama went to the funeral of this young black man. God is my witness. You can go to probably 40, 50 percent of black people today and they still think Michael Brown didn't do that. They still think he had his hands up.

1:00:14On the news, they said, remember they had a, I don't know if you guys remember this, in America, they had a moment of silence where people in the media had their hands up for Michael Brown. He never, it never happened. And this has happened time and time again. I write it in my book, beating black and blue. I did. I went through every shooting and methodically explained exactly what happened in the manipulation. Eric Garner, who was the guy in New York, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. That's where that started. I said, because as a cop, you know protocol, you know use of force policy, you know the force continuum and all this other stuff that you know as a cop.

1:00:50As soon as I saw it, I said, no, the cop's going to be cleared. This guy had been arrested 47 times already. He was clearly a combatant. and they didn't try to kill him. You know, they tried to, they talked to him. They tried to use soft control and they go and they escalated the use of force policy, which is according to the policy, they did everything within policy. This guy happened to be a big guy out of shape. He had a heart attack and died. They tried to render aid, everything. I'm like, they're going to be cleared. But the media don't care about that. They won't interview a police officer and say, hey, what'd you think about this?

1:01:18They run with a narrative to get everybody worked up. That's why I became really popular in 2020. I went from 400 ,000 subscribers to 1.2 million in one month. Because I was one of the only people who could have a voice that was the voice of reason in all these police shootings. Because I can articulate very clearly the policies that I'm saying in the law and I put it all together. So that was one of the dynamics that really hurt us was we didn't have enough people that could have a voice bigger than the media that would at least tell the truth about some of these shootings.

1:01:53Francis Foster:And so what is your perspective on the George Floyd situation. What do you think happened there? Yeah, I don't think it was race-related. There's no evidence of it. Like, you can't just project that it's race because it's a white and a black person, right? If you look at the fullness of... Well, first of all, let me start with this. Derek Chauvin is a nut. I don't support him at all. I hope he go to jail. He deserve to go to jail. He ruined policing. He dangling to ruin policing unilaterally because of his stupidity. And I'm going to get backlash from the conservatives on this, and I don't give a F.

1:02:22I was a cop and I did the job. You don't sit on a man like that, that long while he's grimacing and complaining that he's having a heart attack or whatever he's complaining about. We were not trained to do that in the academy. We're trained to cover your own. But right. Meaning that if you think the person is faking or not is irrelevant. you have to show a level of concern and at least do your due diligence and making sure that you roll a person in a recovery position, give them the aid that they deserve, even if they lie. I've had people lie a hundred times to me. It doesn't matter. We're trained to treat, unless they're a threat, right?

1:03:04Meaning the person said they can't breathe, but they got a gun and they're trying to fight. That's a different thing. If a guy is not armed, you have him secured on the ground, his hands behind his back, two officers on his legs. We are trained to give him a render render aid to this guy in an appropriate manner. I would have never done that. No cop that I know would have ever sat on that man that long and watched him die and he pisses his pants and he goes unconscious and you still sit on the guy. It was so egregious to me and it was the microcosm of a bad cop, not a racial encounter. Because if you look at the beginning of the scenario when when they first made contact, Chauvin was very nice to George Floyd.

1:03:47He was being nice to him. I think he recognized him because he was a local criminal. And so he was nice to him. He put him in the car. You know, it was nothing really exaggerated that happened until they got to the ground. And so I don't know what made Derek Chauvin act like he did. I don't know if it was fear. I don't know if it was because everybody was yelling at him. He like, screw you guys. I'm gonna just stand on this guy because I can. I don't know what dynamic that was, but it was wrong. But there's no evidence of racial bias, no evidence whatsoever. And in the America we live in, the media and activists have a vested interest to make it racist, because there's no money in it not being racist.

1:04:26Think about it. If it was not a racial encounter, it was just a bad cop. He got indicted the next day. He's going to prison. Justice is served. So if it's just a bad cop making a decision like this, there's no George Floyd. There's no worldwide outrage because there's no racial dynamic. So if you are sitting in a boardroom, you want to push the issue that is racist because you're going to get clicks and he got statues and there's celebrities and you got a whole industry on George Floyd now because they made it a racial dynamic. There was a scenario, Tony Tempa. I don't know if you heard of this.

1:05:07I have. was more egregious. More? I think Tony Temple was more egregious than what happened to George Floyd because Tony Temple was not committing a crime. He had had a mental episode and he had called the police so that they can help him. They get there and they have him down on the ground and he's struggling to breathe and he's going unconscious and he actually goes unconscious and they mock him and they laugh at him and they go, oh, the baby is asleep now. They did all this stuff on body camera. It was way more egregious than George Floyd, in my opinion. And of course, the cops didn't know that he had died.

1:05:44They should have known better. But the stuff that they said about Tony Temple while he was dead and the lack of aid that they rented to him and he didn't even commit a crime. He asked for help and they killed him. That was more egregious. But because he was white, there is no money and no activism in a white man losing his life that way. And statistical data shows that white unarmed people get killed twice as much as black people. White people get killed twice as much as black people from by police. And people will say, well, there's more white people. Well, there's not more patrol saturation in white communities like there are inner cities where most of the violence occurs.

1:06:23So when you look at the saturation of patrol in inner city communities, white people actually get shot at a higher rate than black people do at the same amount of patrol. And so if the world would know this, we would be a better place. But there is no money in sanity. There's money in hysteria and getting everybody worked up. Look, it's very, very true, which brings us nicely on to the age of social media where we are now, where people like yourself, you're truth-seeking and you're trying to bust myths. It's a valuable job and it's an important job. It's why we enjoy watching your content. There's other people, and we'll get into that now, who maybe have started out like that and slowly, because of the incentive structure within social media platforms, have drifted away from truth into sensationalism and from sensationalism into conspiracy.

1:07:14Yeah, it is. The amount of conspiracies around Charlie Kirk's death is literally one of the craziest things I've ever experienced. Like, you know, I've always been on the phone. I have never been a part of a conspiracy, meaning that this situation happened to this person. I don't know. I don't know nothing about the situation. I'm just watching on TV like everybody else. And then there's conspiracies and then you may buy into the conspiracies. No, I'm a part of this conspiracy. Like, I knew Charlie. I know the security team. I know everybody that work at Turning Point USA. I know the video team.

1:07:46I know Erica. You know, my wife and Erica text. Like, we know all of these people. I worked for Turning Point since 2017. I was the only person in the last two years doing campus tours like Charlie was. He would do his tours. I'd do my tours. like so in the same video team a lot of them guys would work with me the same security team protects charlie for i don't know 10 years now and so when i see people saying stuff it's like where's it's levels to it right i know some people are ignorant they don't know nothing about nothing they just like to post but then it goes to the point where there are people that know the same people i know and say things that are incendiary and it it makes my blood ball like i I feel like I'm getting worked up now just thinking about it because it's so egregious what's happening to those young people that work for Turning Point.

1:08:36The video team that they're saying took an SD card. Mike Turek, who they were doing, he was doing a hat adjustment. I know that guy. Frank Turek is a great guy. He's a Christian guy. He's one of the biggest Christian apologists that go on campus every day. He was Charlie's good friend. I was just at an event before this, like a year before that, riding the car with him. You know, he's a mentor. He's a great man. And then people on TV saying he's doing hand signals. His security team. These guys are all professional individuals that protect Charlie with their life for several years, everywhere he goes.

1:09:14And you think they're doing a hand signal. And so it's anyway, it's very sad to see some people are taking advantage of the moment, which means that it's a lot of money in conspiracies. Now that I found out, I wish I was a part of it. I'm making way more money than I make it now. But there's money in conspiracies. But also there's people who have another motive. And it's rooted in anti-Semitism, which makes everything that happens go down the path to lead to Jew Street, meaning that everything that they do have to lead to the Jews, which will make people go up and beyond to outrageous lengths beyond conspiracy to make this person responsible or this group of people responsible so those are kind of like the two phases and dynamics that i see in this whole charlie kirk thing and israel in some cases that must be so incredibly frustrating because like you said you know charlie you know what he thought and to have it misrepresented and to have people like Candace who were close to Charlie who worked with you and then come out and take that track I mean that must be heartbreaking in a way because that's your friend or was your friend yeah I mean Candace it's a dynamic with Candace with me that the public may not understand Candace is like a sister right we're not just I didn't know I knew Candace more than Charlie you know I work with Charlie we go on something Candace is like my family, all right?

1:10:49Me and her were like brother and sister ever since I met her. We started Blexit Together, nonprofit organization that has helped wake up so many people around the country. Her aunt and my mom are like best friends. Her dad was in the hospital and I go to visit her dad at the hospital. We throw birthday parties for her dad. Like we're a family. Her kids, we visit our kids, our kids play together. And so people love to hear me just bash her online. And I don't. And people probably wonder why. It's because she's like my sister. And it's hard to watch some of the things that she say. Because I don't understand where it's coming from.

1:11:33And I'll be honest, it's hard for me to even address it with her privately. Because I don't want to lose our friendship because it's bigger than politics, right? You know, what happens when this stuff is over? Well, I'll say this. People would love to see me just bash her, right? But the same people would turn on me. Like, if you ever noticed her content, she don't ever say anything about me. And you know she disagreed with me. She probably adamantly disagreed with me. I'm probably one of the people that she, or at least the ideology that I have is one of the people that she probably hate. But we don't talk about each other publicly.

1:12:12One reason is because when all of this stuff settles, right, the people that follow me, the millions of people, when I say something wrong, they hate me and they unfollow me and they never talk to me again. When you have a friend, it's hard to try to damage their relationship because one day we're going to be old. Our kids are going to be grown and we may not even be in politics no more. And you don't want to burn that bridge. So it's a difficult dynamic for me. And this is the first time that anybody's heard me really talk of this to a certain degree, because I do, I am confused at some of the things that I've heard her say about Israel, about Charlie.

1:12:55It's confusing to me. And Candace is stubborn, if you haven't noticed. In our personal life, you know, we argue back and forth, and I'm a stubborn person, and she's stubborn. So it's kind of hard to say, Candice, let's sit down and talk about it. And one day I think I will. But it's a danger of saying, is this going to be our last conversation? Right. Is this going to we're going to get into a big old argument? It's going to be like, I don't want to be your friend anymore. And that's as a family member, like a sister to me. I don't want that to be a reality.

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1:14:53I mean, somebody paying them to say this stuff. I mean, they're out of control. Some people are saying things that they don't mean because it's a lot of money. Candace is very wealthy and successful. I think she actually believes what she's saying. I think she really believes it with her whole heart, which is also confusing to me. Because some of the question marks that are popping up as far as who's involved, who's responsible, I can't wrap my head around that. I don't know how anybody would think that Israel killed Charlie. it is the most ridiculous claim that I've ever heard in my life because Charlie and I knew Charlie I watch his stuff you guys watch his stuff everybody can watch his stuff I mean the guy was the biggest Zionist uh uh defender out of anybody and yeah he was frustrated with a few things and and I understand that frustration I don't have the same experience he has but I understand how you can be frustrated.

1:15:57When you got people, your whole livelihood is donors, right? I'm self-made, only person that can tell me what to say is me. And I can't even tell myself what to say half the time, right? My compulsion will take over me sometimes. But when you have donors like that and you want to say something and they come down on you and they threaten you with removing money and your livelihood, as a 31-year-old man, that can make you feel infuriated and want to lash out. That is the only reason why I think that Tucker is where he's at. Not because Charlie really agreed with Tucker. It's because you're not going to tell Charlie, right?

1:16:36Charlie's like, you're not going to punk me and make me do something with dangling money, which I don't agree with that approach that he did. Because when somebody is giving you money, you accepted the money for the terms. This is a nonprofit organization. Somebody gave you$2 million a year. And if you go and put somebody who's antithetical to Turning Point USA up on the stage, somebody, one of your donors, I mean, they raise hundreds of millions of dollars a year. This is one donor to$2 million a year. That's, I don't know, that's maybe fund two days of AMFES. So, you know, it's not in the totality of circumstances and donors, it's not going to make a break at Turning Point.

1:17:18It's going to make somebody upset, which it made Charlie upset. So So back to the whole thing, I just think that I don't understand the level that people go to to try to think or say that Israel was behind this, to say that Turning Point was behind this. I know these young people. They wouldn't hurt a fly. I was on campus and I got attacked at UC Davis. Now, I could have whooped all these little non-binaries myself. I mean, I couldn't even ball my fist. I could have just been slapping them left and right. But I was trying to protect the image of Turning Point and not be the black man knocking out college kids.

1:17:58You know, I'm 30-some years old. So I kind of, like, just made sure I defended myself or whatever the case may be. But the kids that were doing the film were flustered. I mean, they're shaking. They don't know how to handle conflict. I was a cop, man. I fight people and pulling guns on people. So these young people are scared. They don't know how to handle conflict. They're intimidated. They don't know what to do. They wanted to quit. They went up to go home. And these aren't people that will coordinate an assassination. You get what I'm saying? These young people on campus are now getting death threats.

1:18:33Young people who are working with Turning Point and now being framed as being a part of some collusion to get rid of Charlie Kirk. And it's very hurtful. Erica, I don't know her as well as I know Candace, but Erica every time I've met her she's so sweet like you see her like you know you see that's like a genuine she's genuine like that when you talk to her she's so like I'm praying for you God bless you I love you thank you so much it's so sweet she's every time I see her she's like that so when I see her now in her grief I'm like this is exactly who she really is it's not a front and she's a really strong believer in God you know and so she knows how to compose herself to do a press conference and then she's probably falling apart at night Like, I mean, I can't stop tearing up thinking about the kids, the babies, you know, so it bothers me when I see stuff.

1:19:25And it's not just Candace's what Candace is saying. It bothers me when I see all these people saying these things, knowing that the video team is in fear for their lives. People want to kill them. People are shaming them. And they watch Charlie get killed in front of them. These guys are not in war. Like, you know, they didn't they're not like my guy who protect me, who's a decorated military guy. They have never seen people get beat up in front of them. They never seen a conflict. They probably never fought anybody. To see Charlie get shot and blood gushed from his neck and watch all this trauma happen.

1:20:04You know, they're they're they're damaged for life. I think people don't realize this. the images of dead people that I see, what, 15 years ago or so, I still see these people. I still remember the smell, the look, the trauma, the feeling. I still dream about some of these people who I've seen decapitated and bludgeoned. I can regurgitate minute by minute what I felt, what I thought, what I smelled, and all of these situations of mass hysteria. And I did it for a living. These kids don't. They need counseling. You know, the security team needs counseling. I worried. I was worried. One of my biggest worries was that one of them will take their own life.

1:20:54You got to think, man. They were responsible for protecting one of the biggest, most prominent conservatives of our lifetime. and they watched him get shot and killed and they had to carry him, his dead body into the truck and they're looking at him with a blank stare. They failed in their minds and they can't go back. They have to live with that. They let Charlie die. And when people coming out and putting these videos out to go viral, they're insensitive to the reality of those things. and it's to me it's shameful and you know so i i try not to say much because i want to respect my relationship with candace but you know i i just as you can see in my content it eats away at me every day when i think about it because i love these people these young people that are doing this and i love charlie and he would if he was if he could come back to life and just sit back, or even in heaven, if God lets you look down from heaven, that's a thing.

1:22:05He would be heartbroken. As some of the people who he loved, he trusted, that are weaponizing his name and his legacy, what I think is inadvertently happening from people like Candace and others is that what they're doing is going to mar his legacy forever. in 10 years, the emotion is going to be gone. The Christian revival is going to be a thing of the past to a certain degree. It's not going to be as fervent. They're only going to talk about the conspiracies. RFK assassination, Martin Luther King's assassination to a certain degree is just marred with conspiracies. and Charlie's is the biggest, most prominent conspiracy avenue because we're in a social media age.

1:23:01Everybody saw him die and everybody's comments is getting playtime. They say he got shot from the back, back of the neck, and it's a through and through one. Didn't happen. We know it didn't happen. And I wonder sometimes do people realize, especially prominent people, that you could be a contributing factor to allow the killer to get off. Because if you are pushing content that creates reasonable doubt in the minds of the average human that is going to have to be selected for jury, and if they can't see past the conspiracies that have been out there and they have this idea of not trusting the federal government, and you have been putting out content every single day, giving the defense team reasonable doubt to believe that the killer didn't do it, you could be creating a case for the defense and not know it.

1:23:57And all it takes is for one juror to hold out and you have a hung jury. And he's not going to be convicted. And this guy, I'm 99 % sure he killed Charlie. The only determining factor that could make anything change at this point, because they have overwhelming evidence, If they didn't find a round, if they didn't find a shell casing or a bullet fragment, he would go to prison for the rest of his life. They did find a bullet. If that bullet matched the.30-06, he's doomed. He would get a death penalty. If the bullet does match the.30-06, we have a big problem. But every sign, symptom, everything that I know in law enforcement is pointing towards overwhelming evidence that this guy did it.

1:24:45And we can get into that in a minute because I'm like the John the Baptist, you know, preaching in the wilderness. I'm like Noah, warning people, look, you better take your time and methodically go through this. There's a lot of evidence. You cannot present a probable cause statement to a judge to indict or to the prosecution to indict somebody without evidence. And I read the probable cause statement. They have so much evidence against this kid that there's no way he could get off.

1:25:24Francis Foster:Brandon, this is what I find very interesting and very weird because, look, America is not like where we are from. In Britain, we have left and right, sure, but there's a lot of variability. There's a lot of people in the middle. And what people don't know about America, you know, America is you're either right or you're left. The independents are like this number of people in the middle. So this avatar of young conservatism, brilliant man, father of two children, gets killed in this horrific way by a guy who is quite clearly a quote unquote, and this is how they've ruined language, anti-fascist.

1:26:03Francis Foster:I'm using, for the people who are listening, inverted commas. And you would think that the normal reaction for the right would be to say, one of our people has been killed by one of their people. We're going to come together. We're going to unite. We're going to work together. We're going to honor our friend's legacy. And we're going to make sure that we live in a country in which this doesn't happen again. and that's what i'll be honest with you this i'm revealing my naivete here because that's what i thought would happen and what's happening is something crazy yeah it's because it's a spiritual thing that's going on in america in my opinion this is bigger than just right left as you can see right left is on the same side of us of this issue in many ways so it has become no longer right left, it's become right wrong.

1:26:58Like these people over here, in my opinion, are being spiritually led by the devil. And I know it's a strong statement. I really believe that with my heart. The devil is deceiving people that they cannot see the reality of what's going on. Charlie Kirk, in his own words, had made mention before he died. But he will tell you the biggest threat that he felt. And he said the assassin culture of the far left trans extremists. We've seen them shoot up schools. They've done a whole bunch. And it's not. And let me make me clear about this. It's not because they're trans. It's because they're mentally ill and trans is one of the outlets or expressions of a mental illness in some of these people who are out of their minds.

1:27:46Charlie Kirk mentioned this right before he died. Everybody that you see on this side that's losing their mind mimicked and echoed exactly what Charlie Kirk said. When that transgender person went in that school and shot those kids at the, I forget the school that they just did it at. When they went and did that, everybody on the right was like, trans issues, the transgender, transgenders are murderers, and all this other stuff, which I thought that they went a little too far about saying trans. It's really the mental illness expressed in transgenderism. And then when Charlie dies, from the very thing that he said was what happened to him, his very fear, they lost their minds and forgot the whole plot.

1:28:30This is exactly who we think is trying to kill us, is the people who have been brainwashed, who have a mental illness, and they are hypersensitive in the trans world. And this person happened to be with a trans person and he happened to shoot Charlie after a trans question. It's very clear to me that the enemy of the conservative is the far left extremist and maybe some jihadist if it ever gets to that point. I think it will. But that is our enemy. But when you see people at the death of Charlie Kirk, it's almost like God did a separation of the weed and the tear. Charlie Kirk was like this, you know, I could say the crescendo of the separation between good and evil.

1:29:22I really do believe so. His death should have been about revival, should have been about Christianity, should have been about the great things he's done. The people that's talking about him that knew him should be raising money for his family like we're doing. I mean, we literally did a t-shirt for Charlie and 100 % of the profits go to his wife. this is what they should be doing instead they're following a path of division and evilness because some of them know better but they're still how do you know that which one the evilness or

1:29:54Francis Foster:how do they know better how do you know because people say that about everybody on the internet they are a grifter they sold out they're getting paid by qatar or they're getting paid by israel or seven you know you and i are supposed to get seven thousand dollars i'm still waiting on my check let me know when you get your right right right talk to that person but but i always wonder because the people say that about everybody and people say that about me and people say that and i sitting across from me i know you saying what you believe and i say what i believe i might be right i might be wrong but i say what i believe and yet people say it about me so how do you know that that's what these these people know better because i agree with you like look i'm not a friend of candace and so i just look at what she says and i think it's crazy and i say so right but I believe that she believes what she believes.

1:30:42Francis Foster:Yeah. I really think that. Yeah. Right? But so how do you, why do you say that some people know better? When you look at their work product, you look at what they've said over the years and the things that they've done, and then you look at the new dynamic of how they're presenting information. You're like, well, you've never done this in any other situation that you've ever been involved in. Why are you doing it like this now? Now, most of these people have always been, wait till the facts come out, right? All the police shootings. Oh, oh, because the media jumps in it. It's race, it's race, it's race.

1:31:17All these people are saying, no, no, no, no, it's not about race. Wait till the facts come out. Wait till the facts come out. Wait till the trial. Kyle Rittinghouse, the leftist nutjobs were saying, he shot black people. That's what they said. And he shouldn't have had a rifle. And he's going to go to prison for life. And he was wrong. And he was unprovoked and all this stuff. And the conservative people were saying, well, no, no, no, no. Let's wait till the trial. Let's wait for justice to come out. But then all of a sudden in this scenario, we don't need to wait. People have spent the last 10 years advocating for Donald Trump and advocating for conservatives to take control of prominent positions in the FBI, prominent positions in the House and Senate.

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1:33:29That's givesendgo.com, the platform that doesn't just talk about free speech, it protects it. It's two things. It's like the cop mind in me is always two things. Yes, but for different reasons for different people. Epstein is an excuse for anti-Semitic people to push against the government and say, this is one more example that the Jews were involved in and the government is bad and we hate everybody associated with this because it's got a Jew thing connected to it. Then there's other people who they have an idol in their theology, meaning that they want things to be true, believe in propaganda, and when it's not what they think, they will turn on a reality for their own propaganda's purpose.

1:34:16Some of them are unwittingly, right? They're they're not thinkers, right? People are emotional. I'm, when Jeffrey Epstein whole thing happened, I realized that I wasn't there. I'm not looking at the documents. I don't know what the truth is. I know what I think and I know what, I know there's gotta be reality somewhere. So I'm always open to saying, if it's real, it's real. If it's not, it's not. I don't know. Hey, I think he didn't kill himself. That's too bizarre for all these things to happen. But I'm open to hear somebody who's actually looking at the information and giving us the facts. and I'm open to hear what you got to say.

1:34:49Some people are not like that. They built their life that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself in this whole conspiracy that they had. And then when the people that we trust, who also held the same conspiracy, mind you, Dan Bongino said it when he was on his show, that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself and it was an inside job or something else happened, and so did Kesh Patel. That literally career was about this. Then they come and they say, well, we looked at it and this is what it is. some people were married to the God of their hypothesis. And now when something comes out to challenge their hypothesis, they're willing to turn on everybody for the hypothesis.

1:35:25But the other one is the Jew thing. People are making this that the Messiah did it. And therefore, if it's the hate Jews, they're willing to go down that path to the very bitter end. So I think that it did have a lot to do with the trust of the government. But these big social media people are driving that. If people, let's say everybody in social media was like me, they have the opportunity to come out and bash Kins Patel and all of them, but they don't. They say, let's be reasonable. Let's see how it all pans out. I don't think Donald Trump, because if you look at them, a lot of the people on the left were saying Donald Trump was involved.

1:36:04In my mind, I'm like, he definitely wasn't involved because Biden would have exposed was Donald Trump right before the election. They don't have to tell everything in it, but they'll just put Trump's name out of it. They'll leak that Trump was involved. So the fact they didn't do it in the last administration made me feel like, well, Donald Trump wasn't involved in this. So I'm willing to kind of slow roll and say, if he wasn't involved, then what is he protecting? Let me let it play out more so than me jumping on the gun and saying, I hate Donald Trump because he's working for somebody else. But if every conservative was a little bit more patient and a little more loyal to the process, we wouldn't see so many people distrusting the government.

1:36:40We wouldn't see so many people turning on Kesh Patel. The people are following talking heads like me more so than we think they are. If I come out and say Donald Trump is complicit in this, there will be hundreds of thousands of people that will believe it just because I said it. Every one of us, Candace, me, Benny Johnson, I mean, all of the big name people have a cult following. And I know people may get mad if you're saying it, but it's true. I could say something wrong and there's people that say, no, Brandon is right, no matter what he say. Because emotionally, they feel connected to me. As you can see, Candace got a whole bunch of them.

1:37:20And everybody has those people. That's why it's our responsibility as journalists to make sure that we're balanced and we're fact-based and not emotional because we can drive a whole generation of people off a cliff if we're not responsible and careful about the things we say. That's why I try to be somewhere in the middle of, I don't think Kesh Patel is an evil person, a liar. But I do think something is weird about how the Epstein stuff is being projected. And it could be one of two things. It could be that there's something in it and they jump ahead of the curb and then they're trying to backtrack because there's something that they don't want the public to know yet.

1:38:01It could be a nothing burger, right? and everybody just got their hopes up because everybody wanted to play the conspiracy game and make all that money back when they had this thing that Epstein was just this bigger person. And Epstein in reality could be like P. Diddy, the white version of P. Diddy. Just a nasty freak person that get people involved in these sex things. You know what I'm saying? It cannot be that deep of an issue, potentially. The music not as good. The music not as good.

1:38:28Francis Foster:Yeah, yeah, yeah. It definitely not as good. His playlist probably is terrible. But, you know, he could be just another person that is wealthy. He could be blackmailing people, but not on a massive scale on behalf of the government. You know, that may not be a thing. So Donald Trump kind of screwed it up, too, because I feel like Pam Bundy, she put her foot in her mouth when they released these binders and all this stuff. And I got the Epstein files on my desk. the level of stupidity in all of that is one of the reasons why this is a big fallout. Because I wonder where they trying to hype it up for the base.

1:39:09And then when they got the information, they're like, oh, shoot, there's really nothing here. And now all of a sudden they got to say there's nothing there. And now the people are in a frenzy because she should have never did that. Keshe Patel should have never disclosed information in Charlie's case either the way he did it. You know, the first time he came out on his Twitter and said, we caught the guy. but they didn't catch the guy. In law enforcement, you know you don't say anything until you got the person you got, because you also don't want the suspect out there to know what you're doing.

1:39:39So these immature things that I think that, and I know I'm kind of jumping around, but some of the immature things that I think that the government has done, either lack of experience or whatever the case may be, is causing a lot of this too. It may not be as bad as it looks if they'd have done it right.

1:39:55Francis Foster:Well, you're fueling people who are already very suspicious, And this brings us to Israel. Yeah. You're one of the people on on the right who has been pushing back very hard against the anti-Israel sentiment within the space. And it's interesting because the right is very split on this issue. Yeah. Very, very split. Why have you come out the way you've come out? The same reason why I did it with police and everything else. when stuff gets so ridiculous i i can't just not say anything i knew nothing about israel before i went to israel right i thought israel embarrassing enough i thought israel was a third world country right i thought when i got there it was going to be they're going to be in a desert like afghanistan and stuff like that and i was i never left the united states of america in my life so and i never cared about it i don't live in israel i don't even care going to church as a christian now i see pastors talking about it more when i was growing up nobody talked about israel or nothing like that.

1:40:54You know, it was kind of almost just replacement theory. They're irrelevant. It's just Christians that believe in Jesus. Everybody going to heaven if you believe in Jesus, that's it. And then, because I never went to Israel, Pastor Alan Jackson of World Outreach Church, which is a tremendous guy, he's one of my own, one of the few pastors that I actually believe in. The rest of them are kind of loony. But he said, we met, we just casually met at NRB, which is a National Religious Broadcasting Network thing. And we just met, we were talking, and he mentioned Israel. He's like, have you ever been to Israel?

1:41:24And I'm like, no, I've never been to Israel. He's like, well, we're going as a church. If you'd like to go, you're welcome. And I'm like, wow, I can lead a country. I've never left a country before. I said, let me go. Went to Israel. I fell in love with Israel. Obviously, for all the Christian reasons, right? I mean, we went on a Christian tour. This wasn't an Israeli tour. We didn't know nothing. We didn't explore it whatsoever about anything Israeli related. Not even the history of the wars and other stuff. We were just going to Christian sites, holy sites. We were worshiping and doing all this stuff.

1:41:52We had a whole Christian thing two weeks there. I fell in love with Israel. But I also saw the reality of what was going on there. I mean, with all the Arabs that work in Israel, all the people that come from Gaza, you know, we were going down to the Dead Sea. They was showing us the different license plates and stuff. And they were like, well, Israelis aren't welcome there. But they come through and come and work in Israel and they come from the West Bank. And this is they were just saying all these things like we couldn't go nowhere to Gaza Strip because it was way too violent. you know, we would go to Golan Heights and we could see, you know, the enemy could really attack Israel from the Golan Heights.

1:42:26And they were telling us like, this is the bunkers and stuff they had up there because they would get attacked. And so we kind of got a perspective. Christians are treated great in Israel. You know, and people kill me over that one statement I made to Benjamin and Yahoo about the little kids spitting at the pastor. And they really kill us over that. But in the same clip, the guy, you know, chastised him when he did it. The guy came behind and said, we don't do that. That's evil. And Christians are welcome to do everything there. You know, the Trinity Broadcast Network got a big old studio, probably the best view in the whole all of Jerusalem.

1:43:02Christians do all kinds of stuff. They witness, they do all this stuff. And we were worshiping God and lifting up the name of Jesus everywhere. And the Sea of Galilee, I mean, hundreds of thousands of Christians are there every day. I got Jesus is Lord in Hebrew tattooed on my arm in Jerusalem. So clearly it's not really combative against Christians. So all that happens. I never really thought about it. I love Israel. There was no war, right? There's no, October 7th hadn't happened yet. So I never thought about it. October 7th happened. And after being there and realizing what the magnitude of what happened and some of the things that they were telling us about the threat from Gaza, it became a reality.

1:43:38Like, oh my God. and then i saw the videos and beheading people and i'm like if this happened in america hey it'd be a parking lot and i said this the moment it happened i said i hope they turn into a parking lot could be insensitive on my part but i really believe that in my heart like when you come into some if they did that in america well whoever did that will no longer exist and their kids kids kids will never know they would be dust they will be history nobody would ever know what happened to them. We probably would kill everybody in our country or not everybody, but we would kill massive amounts of people in 48 hours.

1:44:13I mean, that's what would happen. We would send in all our special operation teams and they would kill everybody in Hamas in probably, I don't know, give it a week. Everybody in Hamas would be dead. So I felt that same way about Israel because they're a good nation. They're a great people and all this. And so I was very upset that they had mutilated and raped and kidnapped people on tape and you can kill all these people at the carnival. I'm like, these are, it's clearly evil people against a good, a group of good normal people not perfect but they're normal still i made my little comments and then i let it go you know i'm like israel is doing what israel got to do the end right i mean they're going to get to the end of this and it's going to be the end hamás is a terrorist organization designated by the united states of america what are we even talking about it wasn't until recently i'm online and i see all the anti-semitism stuff but i'm not i'm an american I'm not really, I'm not Israeli, so I'm not really involved that deeply.

1:45:05But I'm scrolling through the internet and I see a bomb blow up a building. And I'm like, that's interesting. And you know, once you watch it, the algorithm will feed it to you. The next video, a bomb blowing up a building. Next video, a bomb blowing up a building. And I said, damn, this is kind of suspicious. Like my cop brain came in. It's like, how did they get the camera lined up perfectly on this building? I mean, they had one on the ground in between a building that was looking through a building and see a building that got hit by a bomb. All these other cameras are showing. I mean, I went through like 10 of them.

1:45:37And I'm like, this seems staged to me. And then I go back and look and I'm like, okay, the camera's set up, the building comes down and everybody's running around scrambling like they're shocked. Then how in the F do the video guy know that the building is going to get hit and nobody around him know? I said, something is not right here. Then I scroll through another one and I see a kid. They got dirt on their face and they're doing this. And then one kid is laughing on the corner over here. I'm like, wait a minute. This this is this. This is what they're showing the world. I mean, 10 million, 50 million views.

1:46:10They're staging this stuff. And I got pissed, man. I was like, I got to say something about this. And you guys could probably go back to that very video. I was like somewhere and I put my phone out and I'm like, all these videos I see is propaganda. And then I started really going into it and showing the videos of kids who are hurt, injured. Well, how did they get hurt? How do we know how they got hurt? They don't have a video of IDF shooting these kids. They just have a video running with kids limped. And the buildings will come crashing down. And then you realize it's a terrorist organization.

1:46:43So you don't know if they're shooting these people themselves. You don't know if they're making them stay in the building when they come crashing down. Because they know they got the leaflets. And it's reports from people that are on the pro-isitor side saying that they're doing it. They're forcing people to stay in these areas. They're getting them killed. I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't doing this for propaganda. And it pissed me off so much that I just went crazy on it. And then I just continue to see the hate that come my way. I continue to see the lies and deception and the numbers.

1:47:11And it just started making sense to me that this is a big propaganda stunt. And I'm not saying nobody's dying. It's a freaking war. People are going to die. But to the extent that they're pushing it. I saw the video of the IDF. They're saying the IDF is killing people at the feed zones. And I'm like, let me scour it in and in and see if I got videos. And people, I'm like, send me the video if you can show me a video. The only video they have is them shooting the ground. Nobody in the video got shot. And I'm like, well, if somebody died during that incident, I'm sure they got it on tape. Somebody's there filming them shooting.

1:47:44They would just hand the camera to the person that got hit in the head. Why does that footage not exist? They say the IDF is shooting kids and killing them. Why does that footage not exist? They got the footage of the kid that limbs is hanging and flesh hanging off, but they don't have any incidents where they're showing where this is initiated. And I begin to be very skeptical of it. And then I talk to people that I know in Israel and I talk to people in the IDF and they're like, yeah, this is what they do. Then I realize Israel has to be the worst country ever for PR. why the F are y 'all not showing the footage of October 7th?

1:48:26They are showing footage, could be doctored, it could be from another. Like some footage I've seen wasn't even in Gaza. They're showing pictures of people getting killed. It's not even in Gaza. You got the militants on top of these food trucks running them, shooting at people. Israel, why are you not showing this? Why are you not showing the egregious nature? They did the little viewing, but they're not showing the world how barbaric and evil these people are. Therefore, you can counter all of the barbarism that they're claiming that Israel is doing with their videos. But anyway, it just drove me into just fury on the lies.

1:49:05If people were telling the truth, I don't care. You know, I'm not going to argue with them. If Israel is killing innocent people for no reason, you know, like they say, They're sniping little babies and stuff. No effing way would I support that. Show me the video. I will critique the video. But no one has these videos. And maybe they do exist somewhere somehow. And the double standard, too, is what bothered me. We killed so many people. America is the worst, right? I mean, Hiroshima, you know, all of these nuclear bombs that we dropped and killing millions of people. and in Afghanistan, 400 ,000 people we killed in that war.

1:49:46A million in Iraq? A million in Iraq. And they killed.

1:49:50Francis Foster:A million people died in Iraq. A million people died. But a lot of that was because of us, our incursion in it. But it was, what, 20-some hundred people, maybe 3 ,000 people died in 9-11, and we killed all these people, died as a result. And we were in war for 20 years. We can even talk about some of the other wars where we killed millions of people and there was 1 ,200 Americans died as a sparking point. And nobody really say that America's committing genocide in a way they say in Israel's committing genocide. You see actual genocides, Rwanda genocide. I mean, they killed a million people in 100 days.

1:50:25Many of them were killed without guns. I mean, they were just dicing people up. The genocide that happened to the Jews in Germany, like these are real genocides that's going on. Why are you guys unequally applying standards? That's where it bothers me. It's like they're fighting a war like anybody else. They're giving leaflets. They're feeding these people. They're supplying them with water and resources. How in the F are you saying this is a genocide? If any other country was doing exactly what Israel is doing, they would be getting a pat on the back. Their leader would get a Nobel Peace Prize for how he was able to execute a war with the least amount of casualty to combat ratio ever in the history of war.

1:51:10I mean, it's the double standard that really bothered me, that got me so, that still got me worked up today.

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1:52:31Francis Foster:Yeah. And it really exposed them, and it exposed them in such an effective way. Like, literally the next day, you had... I saw mainstream journalists tweeting from the river to the sea on October the 8th, and then people attending demonstrations, and you're going, this is... The bodies aren't even cold. What are you doing? Yeah, and I think that was a moment of exposure. Because you can see very clearly, I don't know if people just stupid or are they evil or ignorant, stupid, evil and ignorant. I don't know why a person would say, from the river to the sea, if they didn't mean they want the Jews to be eliminated.

1:53:12Like, what context are you doing this in if that's not what you really believe? Hamas is a terrorist organization. They have a history of doing this. Look at that, killing people in the middle of the street today. And people watch that and they still support them. There's people on campus that I will speak to and they would just wouldn't condemn Hamas. Like for instance, there has been no pro-Palestinian person I have ever talked to or debated on campus that will condemn Hamas and be pro-Palestinian. That tells me what they really believe. And I'll get them in a pickle. I'll say, you support Palestinians.

1:53:47Okay, is Hamas, no, because what I do is I walk them through the scenario. I say, is it an apartheid state? They say yes, which is the stupidest thing on planet Earth. It's impossible to be an apartheid state. All the Arabs have almost every right and Israel is the Jews. So it's definitely not a racial dynamic thing there. Is it a genocide? They say yes, all this stuff. Are they occupying all this? Open air prison, they say all this stuff. I say, okay, you believe that. So is it wrong for Hamas to fight back against all these things that you're saying and then they get in the pickle and they got to go well yeah no no it's not then i say okay you're explaining to me that you think that what happened on october the 7th is justified so don't try to say you're differentiating yourself from a terrorist organization because you have just laid out a plot which is which is false but you've laid out a plot where you're giving them justification for what they're doing.

1:54:45Francis Foster:It's worse than that, Brandon, because what your argument is that you're putting to them, well, is it justified? Okay, let's say, let's accept it's an occupation, all of this, right? Let's accept it. Fine. Are they entitled to fight? They will say, if you and I were men, right? If we grew up in that environment, would we fight back against the occupation? Okay, let's say we would. Would I go across the border are raping and burning kids with their... No, no. Like, you want to fight the Israeli armed forces? You want to sabotage the trains? You... Like, the partisans in World War II or the French resistance, they weren't going around raping German civilians.

1:55:26Francis Foster:Right. Right? That's the thing. It's like, the thing that really got me about this is they actually support murdering civilians. Right. On purpose. It's not we dropped the bomb because there was a terrorist there, but the terrorist family also happened to be there or the terrorist family deliberately are there. Right. Right. And then they got killed. It's like, no, no, no. We see a woman with her kids and we're going to kill her. We're going to take a hostage and we're going to rape her. That's the thing. Yeah. I just I just interviewed a gentleman who was a hostage and he had 490 days. Wow. And he wrote a book and everything.

1:56:05and he was telling me how he could hear them in the kibbutz community he was in. He could hear them killing people. And the alarms going off, they went into their shelter, they were there for four hours. And then finally the terrorists got to them, they started shooting through the bomb shelter door, whatever they have, it's like a security room. Shooting through it, they ended up breaking in. They took the wife, the kids, and they were just going to take him as a hostage. And he thought since they were, had British passports, that they would have mercy on them and just take him and kill him or take him hostage for any reason.

1:56:40Unfortunately, when he finally get out from captivity after 490 days, they ended up telling him that shortly after they took him, they murdered his wife and both of his girls. Murdered them in cold blood. That's not resistance. That's not resistance. And I'll tell you this. some of the other gentlemen I interviewed that were in IDF said that there was civilians that were involved too. It wasn't just militants. There were civilians that were coming into caboose, stealing stuff, raping people and doing all kinds of stuff. And I'll tell you this one, my only regret with the Gaza Israel conflict, my only regret is that I didn't go harder against to guys and citizens.

1:57:21I gave them a pass and I shouldn't have. Most of them, I would argue, that I saw and that for IDF soldiers and other people that live there are saying is that, no, they celebrated this. They were, a lot of them were celebrating this. You could see them on it. Remember the chants they were doing? They were taking them in there, they're chanting. And like some of the hostages, one of the guys that I interviewed said when he went in, they went to a mosque first. and the civilians were taking him from Hamas and wanted to lynch him in the middle of the street. Hamas had to take him back from the citizens to take him into the tunnels.

1:57:59He said before they went into the tunnels because there was not enough room in the tunnels, they had too many hostages. And so they would put them in residence of regular citizens. And I asked him, I said, do you think that this was done against their will? Meaning that they were afraid of Hamas so they had to, did they treat you right or whatever? He's like, no, they were gladly supportive. of what Hamas was doing. And these people were regular civilians. You know, when they found some of the hotspots the last time, journalists were housing them. Families were having them in their house. So, like, I felt like I was trying to be too nice.

1:58:33I think, and you gotta think about this too, they're raising up the next generation to hate Israel. The young people are going to camps and summer camps and learning how to kill. So why wouldn't the majority of them feel that way? majority of the people in the West are saying that it's a occupation. You think the people in Gaza don't think it's occupation. So why would they be against Hamas doing what they're doing? They're the freedom fighters. The leader of Hamas. I don't know if you guys remember that interview he was in. It was a CBS or somebody interviewed. It was a real, real hard interview.

1:59:08And he said, there's no separation of Hamas, like the people of Hamas, you know, you know what I'm saying? He's pretty much saying that they're a part of the community. And it made me realize that they are a part of the community. This is why they voted for them. And many of them, not all, because there was obviously the ones that we see getting killed probably were against Hamas. The majority of them probably feel this way. It's almost like if you replace Gazans and you put the left as lunatics in our country there, they would all be against the IDF in Israel, too. So I would imagine that the guys and people are even more vitriolic against Israel.

1:59:47And they want them to be eliminated. And, you know, it's just, it bothers me that I feel like that people in our country are so naive to this stuff. And it has gotten out of control to the point where I get so much hate online on basic facts.

2:00:08Francis Foster:Well, see, the left, I understand, right? because the left hate the west right the the fringe of the left they hate america they hate the west they see israel quite rightly i think as a as a outpost of western civilization in the middle east um and also they've got the whole colonist narrative in their heads so they see israelis as white people and gaza as the native americans or black people or whatever whichever way you want to frame it right that's a left do you have a sense of why your conservative colleagues and friends don't see the facts that you're talking about? I don't know. It's just very difficult because I don't understand it.

2:00:46That's why I go back to thinking this must be spiritual. It doesn't logically make sense. It's not logically consistent with what conservatives have been standing for all of this time. Why all of a sudden conservatives are so anti-Semitic and so brainwashed? It's not about the anti-Semitism as much as it is that they're brainwashed. When have conservatives ever just fallen for things that they fall for as it relates to Hamas? We would never accept this in any other way. We would never accept a terrorist group. Like, for instance, show me any of these right-wing, like Netanyahu call them the Woke Reich, and I call them Woke Reich too, but show me any of them that were happy that the ceasefire was initiated.

2:01:36This was supposed to be a peace and end of genocide. Our God did it. The guy we voted for did it. He negotiated peace. They wouldn't even post it. They got these people out throwing bricks on their legs, taking them out, shooting them and killing them. There's reports that they're taking media personalities into hospitals and they're interrogating them and they're never seen again. when why aren't anybody on the right saying anything about this to me it's a spiritual divide between good and evil and there's good on this side and there's evil on the right and the left on this side

2:02:19Somebody, somebody that's a permanent figure said this on their podcast not too long ago, is that they are starting to agree with the left. And this is a chance for the left and the right to come together against Israel.

2:02:38Like Marjorie Taylor Greene. I'm listening to her. I'm listening to Tucker Carlson. I used to listen to these people. I knew Marjorie Taylor Greene. I didn't know it, but I knew of her. I met her. We talked before she ever ran for office. And I remember her saying, I'm going to run for office and I'm going to win and I'm going to do this. I love Marjorie Taylor Greene. She was a right-wing person then. She was pretty right. She was pretty right. Because I tell you what, we were at a conference and the N-word came up. And it was kind of like, because you had people on the right they were like, hey, you can't say the n-word.

2:03:18And Marjorie Taylor Greene and others were like, why not? It's just a word. And then another young lady with them was like, n-word, n-word, n-word, n-word. And I'm like, you got to put it in perspective. It is just a word, but you got to understand that the things that you say come with a connotation. So maybe you should avoid using that. But Marjorie's side was more like, it's just a word. Why are you trying to suppress my fear? So she was kind of on the right back then. But when I listen to her now, and she comes out and she talks about, our government shouldn't be giving money to Israel. We give$3.8 billion to Israel.

2:03:48Well, hey, woman, you work in Congress. You know that we don't just give them a piece of, you know, we write them a check. They have to purchase military equipment from us. And it's a military, it's military funding. They got to buy all of that military equipment from the United States of America. We almost have them on like a, like a credit line. We don't just give them the money. She knows it, but why does she leave that out when she say it? They talk about the Israeli lobby. Okay. First of all, you got to be the stupidest person in America to say that APEC should be registered as a foreign entity or registered through FARA.

2:04:27They're American citizens. American citizens can lobby whatever they want. If you don't believe that American citizens should be able to lobby whatever they want, then you need to change the law. But to think that somehow the government is going to make them register as far and their American citizens lobbying on behalf of what they want, you're an idiot. And so she talks about AIPAC. But Qatar, Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, far registered lobby is far beyond what AIPAC is doing. Why don't she say that since she's so upset about foreign lobbying? The fact that they omit those things make me think that they're not genuine in what they're saying.

2:05:12Tucker Carlson, I never liked the way he presented, right? And the laugh and stuff, he's like a maniac. And he's so condescending to things he say. He talked in rhetorical senses. I just never really liked how he presented, but I always liked him because he always challenged people. He was like the firebrand. Donald Trump came to an interview, he would get on Donald Trump. He just destroyed Ted Cruz in that interview. He was mean. He was he interviews the woman with the mustache, which I think she grew that thing out just for the interview, to be honest. He was interviewing the woman with the mustache and then pushed back on nothing.

2:05:48She said this woman said that you can evangelize or that you can proselytize in the West Bank. That is a fundamental lie. you cannot convert people to Christianity in the West Bank or in Gaza. Why would she say that? And he let her say that she refused to say that Hamas was a terrorist group. She said they were freedom fighters. Tucker didn't say nothing to her. He has had four or five interviews that I've seen where people have accused Jews of creating AI to destroy the world, that he that Jews were. I mean, it's just all kinds of crazy stuff. I can't even remember all the other stuff that they've done.

2:06:29Why is he now all of a sudden doing it? These are the questions that I have for these people, and which is why I think that they're on the side of evil, and that's not a genuine change of heart, in my opinion.

2:06:44Tucker, when you look at the funding, he goes and interviews the leader of Qatar. And, of course, through Farrah, they paid him money to do it. Now, I don't know what the dollar amount, but I'm pretty sure they paid him a lot of money. then he had a person who's appears to be a non-american I could be wrong on this that injected 15 million dollars into the startup of his podcast now I do podcasting, y 'all do podcasting for a living 15 million dollars he's already took a cost it's not like you need a lot of advertisement he went from Fox News as the number one person on Fox News, the number one person in America his podcast was number one he goes over to his podcast naturally people are going to come watch his podcast.

2:07:29Why would he need$15 million injected into his podcast? And then his podcast is now going from him being more of a Zionist to him being completely open to surreal law. He's the one that's podcast said, surreal law, like, is that really a bad thing? Why don't you just drink in the house? We need that in America. It's such a turn of what he believed at one point. That's why it's suspicious, in my opinion. I'm the same way through and through. I have never changed the way I believe. And when I adopt the belief system, it's because I really believe it. And if somehow I change it because I was wrong, then I'll just say I was wrong.

2:08:10He literally had a well-thought-out perspective of why Israel is one of our strongest allies. Well thought out. He debated people on that topic. And now all of a sudden, he's saying they're the enemy of the world. One guy said that on his podcast said that Israel is the most barbaric, don't quote me on this, but like evil nation to ever exist. You don't push back on that at all. You don't push back on that they observe Western values. You don't push back on the fact that they're not beheading people and throwing gays off. As a matter of fact, gay people have more liberation probably in Israel than they do in America.

2:08:47When I was out there, they had a freaking gay pride flag on the embassy. so and you know so why would he let somebody say that unless there's something deeper going on so

2:08:57Francis Foster:uh brand i don't know if you know this i'm one of the first people i think with a profile to ever use the phrase work right yeah work right work right which you mentioned netanyahu yeah he said woke right did he oh i haven't heard that they got mad at him because he said he he said in a little presser he was like they call it the woke right you we call it the woke right Oh, it's evolved. I wasn't aware of this. And I love that he said, well, to a certain degree, right? I think he was tongue in cheek. Yeah, of course. But, but, but, but is it? You have people on the right that are the biggest anti-Semites that I've ever seen in my life.

2:09:36My wife hates to wear anti-Semitism because she, you know, before, you know, everybody called everybody anti-Semitic to shut you, to silence you. Right. And same thing with racists. Oh, you're a racist. So they silence you. I used to believe the antisemitic was like taken out of proportion. Right. And I was like, I'm not really used that word until I start seeing real antisemitism.

2:09:58Francis Foster:Like, wait a minute. There are people that hate Jews and they hate them for being Jews. There are people literally on their their whole entire platform is blaming the Jews for everything. Everything. COVID. 9-11. one girl, she was a big billionaire. I think her company was a billion dollar company. She was like a makeup artist. They counseled her or whatever. They were trying to counsel her. Because she said the Jews were responsible for World War I. You know, and she's like... At least it's original. That's a new one. I haven't heard that one. No, no, no. There's a... Let's do a couple people on the right.

2:10:37They'll say World War I, World War II. You know, even though even before Israel was established as a nation, they claim Israel was involved in all these other things. The Ashkenazi Jews aren't really Jews. Wait a minute. There's peer review research that shows that Ashkenazi Jews have a bloodline from the seed of Abraham. It's research. People can do the research. One person wrote a thing. I forget the people's names, but he wrote a thing, which is where a lot of the people on the right are drawing from, not looking at the peer review research in 2017, 2018, I think, that shows DNA sampling. They started here, they go to Europe and they come back.

2:11:13How do they not have a connection to the land? But people who hate Jews will find any reason, any conspiracy to believe to make Jews wrong. They run America. Do you know how stupid you have to be to think that Jews are Netanyahu runs Donald Trump? I'm just being sick. Donald Trump don't run Donald Trump, right? I mean, his compulsions overtake him in a lot of times. So why would he listen to Benjamin Netanyahu? Donald Trump is the most stubborn person. Everybody knows that. Benjamin Netanyahu says, I don't run Donald Trump. Donald Trump made him turn the jets around in Iran. He said, he said, they don't know what the F they're doing in front of the world.

2:12:00He said, turn the jets around and land them because they were going to go do another strike, a retaliatory strike on Iran. They listened to Trump and landed the thing. They negotiated peace that I don't think necessarily that they really had to. I think that they could have just do, if it was me, just do whatever you got to do until it's over. But they capitulated to a certain degree, compromised to a certain degree to negotiate peace on Donald Trump's terms, for the most part. Because I don't think Netanyahu was in agreement with all that. You know, letting Hamas have sanctuary after the war.

2:12:35They claimed that they were going to disarm. They're backing out. They're giving terrorists back to Hamas. They didn't have to do nothing. They could just continue to kill these Hamas soldiers until it was over. But Benjamin Netanyahu came to the table. He celebrated Trump. You know, like, to think that they run America is crazy. We run Israel. I don't know how people don't get this. Without military aid from America, Israel would be no more. Without the support of Big Brother, people would be trying them every day. Hamas, you know, you go to Syria and Hezbollah and Houthis. They would try them more if we weren't backing them, because we will wipe these people's countries off the map if they attack Israel, and they know it.

2:13:20All of that funding militarily comes from America. All the technology, we give them our latest stuff, not our stuff, right? We keep our stuff our same, but we give them the next best, greatest thing. if they didn't have America, what would they have?

2:13:34Francis Foster:You know, it's such a simple point. When we had Dinesh on, Dinesh D'Souza, we talked a little bit about this as well. I have, I'm sure you know people work in the administration now. A lot of them are young kids, 23, 25, 27. Now, Britain is a lot richer, a lot more powerful, a lot more influential. It's on the Security Council, all of that. When that 23-year-old kid from the White House goes over to America, All the 45-year-old British people are like that. Tell me what you want. How can we do this for you? Because America is the most powerful country in the world. And everybody, the reason every country in the world lobbies America is they want your help slightly to nudge you in the direction of helping them because you're the most powerful country.

2:14:19Francis Foster:The idea that, like, Donald Trump is run by, it's crazy. The little country, that little bitty country on that map. I saw Benjamin Netanyahu doing a board, and I didn't realize how these Arab nations are just massively bigger in land and also persons than Israel. And they share it with the West Bank and Gaza. It's a little bitty place. They run America, and then they go and say, Netanyahu got us into these wars. You think we didn't want to get into wars? I would argue that they had Netanyahu come as a front to what we already wanted to do to show Congress that, look, see, we want to go to war.

2:15:01See, he's saying that he's saying that this weapon's a bad strike. You think that they're going to get us in a war that they didn't even participate in? They gave us intelligence, but no, no Iranian or Israeli soldiers, I don't believe, fought in that 20 year war that we did in Afghanistan and Iraq. I don't think they did it whatsoever Jordan. We had Jordanians did but They so you telling me they got us in a war for 20 years spending billions of dollars just because Netanyahu wasn't even the prime minister at the time came to Congress and said You got to do this Me and my wife used to argue about this and i'm glad she's on my side now We used to argue about this.

2:15:35I said babe Would you do you not think we have intelligence? Like as much as you think massad is it got intelligence and they come and they spy on us. You think we're not spying on them What do you think? America is probably one of the most corrupt countries in the world. I'm just being honest. I love America, so it's whatever. But we do some of the most corrupt stuff that you have. Joe Biden's son had a major position in a company in Ukraine with no experience, getting paid millions of dollars. Joe Biden on television in front of the world said if if the Ukraine maybe I said the wrong word I mean Ukraine if the Ukraine if Ukraine doesn't get rid of Poroshenko as the prosecutor who was prosecuting his son at the time he's going to withhold a billion dollars of loan guarantee it wasn't Poroshenko but it was the prosecutor no maybe not yeah it's a different I forget who I don't remember the name of the process it was one of the prosecutors there you're 100 right just i

2:16:42Francis Foster:wanted to correct the name so people don't people be saying he don't know what he's talking about you know i got too much going on my mind but it was somebody associated but he said on t a quid pro quo he admitted to a quid pro quo and said i won't give him the loan guarantees unless they fired his prosecutor and they did and they gave him the money that is a quid pro quo how does his son smoke and crack in another country they're getting money from all these countries uh hillary Clinton. Why does she have a private server in her house? She didn't need one. The government has enough servers to go around.

2:17:10They were doing crooked stuff on that server so that they couldn't trace it to the government. We know it for a fact because she deleted 30 ,000 emails after she got subpoenaed. The fact that she didn't go to jail is insane. A private server, a regular citizen and share classified information, you go to jail. There was one guy, I forget his name, he shared some pictures on one of the submarines. He went to jail. You can go to jail for stuff like this. She's sending and receiving classified and top secret information on the server that's not monitored by the United States government. The guy, the IT guy that she had monitoring and didn't have a security clearance, didn't work for the government.

2:17:49So he's exposed to classified documents. Then when she gets a pen, she delete 30 ,000 emails. Who deleted the emails and looked through the emails to vet them? her own attorneys who don't have a security clearance. So they were exposed to classified information. So she's exposing people to classified information. She's sending and receiving classified information on a private server. They take the Blackberries and bang them with hammers and they use BleachBit to delete her server. Why are they doing that? Because they're doing dirty deals with other governments. So America is the most powerful and probably one of the most corrupt governments out there.

2:18:24We start wars. We do proxy wars. We overthrow governments. We do all kinds of stuff. So for somebody to be kind of acting like Israel is just this sophisticated little group of people and they come out manipulating big bad America, that's insane. We went to war for 20 years after 9-11. 20 plus years. Where is the weapons of mass destruction at? We don't need justification. America do whatever America want to do. We rip our own people off. What do you think big farmers doing? Why do you think we have food dyes and stuff in our food and all this other chemicals and stuff that we put in our food?

2:18:59Because we want to continue for people to be sick so they can continue to make money on giving them pills instead of giving them holistic approaches to things. We're crooked and corrupt too. So to think that they're crooked and we are is crazy to me, right? And to think that they somehow control us through a lobby is stupid to me. I'll give you an example. And I will call Marjorie Taylor Greene on the carpet on One of my favorite people, Byron Donalds, he may be the governor. I hope he's the governor of Florida. Great dude. I met him. I know him. Solid, smart dudes in finance. Like his wife is smart.

2:19:33Like the dude is him. He gets paid from AIPAC, right? So these dummies like Marjorie Taylor Greene paints this picture that everybody that's taking lobby money from AIPAC is controlled by AIPAC. So I went to the website. I forget the website. My wife knows the name of it. I look it up to see who get paid, right? So I looked up her. Obviously, she don't get APEC money. I just had to make sure. Byron Donald's getting money from APEC. Guess how much they gave him? $40 ,000. He raised$12 million in his campaign. You're telling me$40 ,000? That's a private jet flight for Byron Donald's to do one event, if he flew private in his team.

2:20:11Flying private to the West Coast and back. That's$75 ,000 probably on a private jet. That's not going to sway a man in an election. $40 ,000? And then you go and look at it and you go, oh, they give money to left and right. Duh, they're a lobbying organization. That's what they're supposed to do is lobby. And this is the thing that the woke right.

2:20:33Francis Foster:Can I use that on your show? Yeah, whatever you want. That's my words, not yours. Woke right. This is what they they they have a lens of anti-Semitism. So everything they see has to be in the front. Maybe, just maybe, AIPAC supports people who support Israel. Not that AIPAC is making people support Israel through some little money that you're giving them. These people already support Israel. Like, if I ran for office, I would get AIPAC money. Why? Because I'm a Zionist. And they love a person like me. They'll give me money. It's not that I don't like Israel and I want nothing to do with Israel.

2:21:04But in order for me to get elected, they're going to give me$40 ,000 and I'm going to somehow turn on my morals and turn against everything I ever believed to support Israel. So, you know, there's a very interesting dynamic that people who are anti-Semitic don't see. There is a unique relationship between America and Israel. It's not just an alliance because they're... not only that they're strategic in the Middle East, which they clearly are with their intelligence and military... They're literally like a military base for America, and we just allow them to have sovereignty. Because Iran, what did they do?

2:21:37They went and struck Iran, they did all the military stuff, and we just went and dropped the bomb in the end. but the judeo-christian foundation of our country is why we have such a connection with israel they go all the christians have to go and kiss the wall no dummy we believe a christian nation all of our founding is in israel everything that founded the christian faith in jesus christ was all in israel all the prophets all of what jesus did all of the sites that he walked when he got crucified and all this stuff. Paul, Peter, all of them is in Israel. So this is why we have such a connection that's beyond just political.

2:22:13And so I would love to go to Israel, not because I'm going to kiss the wall and do all of this stuff, it's because my Lord and Savior and the foundation of my faith is in Israel. And this is why we don't have the connection with Qatar, even though we work with Qatar. And, you know, we doing foolery with them too, because, you know, they find Hamas and I don't know what our government doing, but we doing shady business too. But that's the reason why we don't have that relation in Qatar and Syria and all these other Muslim nations. We work with them. We do business with them. They got money, so we're going to do business with them.

2:22:44But Israel is deeper for America than just political expediency. If they were to be taken—see, some of these people on the woke right would love for Israel to be taken over by Muslim extremists. They want us to stop funding them. This is what Marjorie Taylor Greene are essentially saying when she say we shouldn't give money to Israel. Well, OK, let's not give money to Israel and they get attacked. And then what's going to happen? They want to drive these Jewish people out, put them in slavery or whatever the case be, kill them, make them convert. And then Islamic terrorists will run Jerusalem and Islamic terrorists will be able to tell you if you can go see Jesus's tomb or where they believe his tomb was or the site where he was crucified or, you know, the city of David.

2:23:27and they're going to be able to tell you if you can come in tonight. They're going to tell Christians, you can't come here and proselytize. You can't come here and build a church. You can't serve in the government. Jews don't serve in the government in any of these Arab nations. No Jew. But Arabs serve in the government in the Knesset and they can serve in the military and all this other stuff. These idiots want them to be taken over and controlled and then they control the Middle East. Now, if Israel was to lose in a battle, all of that technology, all of that equipment, all of that stuff will go to a terrorist organization.

2:24:03All of our jets and all that. Is that really what is smart for America? And I'll just make this one point about Marjorie the Green, because she irritates me to no end. They go, they used to be America first. They say America first. Okay, everybody, I'm America first. If it came down to America, Israel, I'm picking America, right? And then Israel would be another state in America, right, if it came down to it. And I would, you know, and the Christians would be able to do whatever they want there. But so but she went from America first to America only. Isolationism is the stupidest thing that anybody with a working brainstem could ever say when it comes to world politics and geopolitical stuff and also the economy and free trade.

2:24:44It's the stupidest thing ever. We do have a vested interest in having our fingers in all of this stuff. If we withdraw, then what? China is not going to withdraw. China is going to start taking up land here and there and they're going to end up having Mexico they're going to be in Canada and what do you know we're boxed in isolated and negotiation for tariffs and all that stuff is going to be all predicated to the biggest countries that are that are the biggest bidders and America is going to be right here and they're going to have their ships right in the sea and they're going to have their ships in places where we have our ship if we begin to be isolationists we need to work with with Israel we need to work with Qatar that's why We have a military base in Qatar.

2:25:22You know what I'm saying? So we need to have that. But these dummies are saying we need to be isolationists. We need to not give money to anybody. While in her portfolio, she trades or her retirement money is being traded with other foreign governments or other foreign countries. If you are America only, then pull your funding and your portfolio from every country but American companies. companies. She won't do that. She started as I read an op-ed about this. She is the epitome of a politician. She started with a seven hundred thousand dollar net worth. Now she's worth up as a twenty million dollars.

2:26:01How? What are you doing that you in that position making one hundred thousand dollars a year? You go from seven hundred thousand to twenty million dollars. It's the same argument that conservatives have with all these politicians getting rich in politics. She just came out the other day on a podcast and said, I'm going to get in trouble for this because Donald Trump is deporting everybody, starting with the criminals. And if you hang out with criminals, you get deported, too. She's saying this is not the right approach because I'm a business owner and we can't just deport people that are working in our businesses.

2:26:38Well, wait a minute. You're America first. You're America only. You now are concerned that your company will take a hit if people who are illegally in this country are no longer working in your industry. Wait a minute, Marjorie Taylor Greene. Is that your stance? Now she's getting backlash over it, which shows me, let me tell you guys this. You guys probably know a little bit about American in politics. 90 % of the people are not who you think they are. When I go to events at Turning Point USA, I see these people in the backstage. And they're not... Some of these people aren't real. Some of these people are fake.

2:27:18Some of these people, you catch them on a hot mic, they don't even believe the stuff they're saying on stage. I'm telling you, most of these people are fake. When I first started in the movement, I thought that everybody was in it for the right reason, right? I'm a conservative. if I want the country there. They're not. We got people, Steve Bannon was associated with this and I'm calling everybody out. His daughter, I love his daughter. She followed me. But Steve Bannon is nuttier than nutty. He came on a podcast yesterday and said Donald Trump is going to get a third term. What? That's against the Constitution of the United States of America.

2:27:53But you claim to be a patriot. Donald Trump on the third term, he's 80-some years old. Donald Trump is hanging on by a thread. Mentally too. You hear him in a ramble for 32 hours or four hours. I think he still got it, but you get what I'm saying. Like, another four, he ain't even finished with this one. Another four, he'd be the 80-something years old. What rational person would say that? He got caught up in a scandal with the Build-A-Wild scandal. Conservatives taking money from everybody, getting our hopes up, and these dudes are taking money. His other business partner went to jail. His wife doing OnlyFans.

2:28:24They're supposed to be Christian conservatives. They are doing fraudulent behavior. it. They lied to us about the 2020 election. They lied to us. I think Trump got robbed, but some conservatives lied to us. We got a smoking gun. Donald Trump is going to be the president. They got all this information. You just wait, donate money here, donate money there. And then when the rubber hit the road, they had nothing. They had nothing to present in court. they had none of the things that they said they had these same evil grifting people are doing the same thing now i don't believe nothing steve bannon say i don't believe and it's almost seemed like a lot of these people are falling for the in the woke right these people on who you think they are they backstage doing stuff uh we got politicians that are conservative sex tapes coming out they getting canned doing side deals um it's a couple other people that i can't remember their name right now but so don't people can't get it twisted like it's not just the left that's crooked it's people on the right that's crooked too and they're getting worse and worse and we're seeing a divide like never before people are making money off charlie Kirk's death.

2:29:41They're not supporting his family like they claim. You know, I can't say too much about it, but there's weird stuff in that atmosphere too, because I just don't understand why Tucker Carlson is lifted up in our movement the way he is. He was just at a university cussing at kids and losing his temper because the kid brought up his dad who was in the CIA. and I got video. Nick Fuentes exposed him and he's a nut too. It's like these nutty people exposing each other. They can't, they trying to fight who the nuttiest one. So they want to expose the other one so they can have the crown.

2:30:24Francis Foster:Why would, why would he go on and say he didn't know his dad was CIA in the interview? And then in a previous interview, but no, he was with Candace Owens. Tucker Cross was with Candace Owens on the interview. And he was like, acting like he just kind of found out for the first time through Nick Frentz that his dad was in CIA. I was shocked. I didn't know my dad was CIA. But before that, he was on Sean Ryan's show talking about how his dad was in the CIA. So he lied. He told a lie in front of the world. Tucker Carlson wrote a text message when he was with Fox News. I don't know if you guys seen it.

2:30:59He hate Donald Trump. He was caught on a text or something like that. They put it out in the world. And it was it was shocking to the world because he was saying how much he loved Donald Trump publicly and I support Donald Trump and I'm with him and then privately he said I hate his guts a kid in the thing asked him the question and he lost his mind he he was all upset with his kid and it's like no the guy asked you a real question answer the question Tucker why did you say that you hate Donald Trump when you were promoting to the world that you loved him and you were supportive of him and y 'all were friends and everything like that.

2:31:34Why did you say that? And he couldn't answer the question. And he beat around the bush and he got mad and he did this. And then the kid came at the end and was like, why are you getting so mad? You know, you're worth like$50 million. He flew off the handle because the kid said he was worth$50 million. Now, you guys are smart. If you do any research on Tucker Carlson's earnings, he could very well be worth$50 million. He was making$20 million a year working for Fox. They had to, when they canned him, because he lied about Dominion machines and they got sued for a billion dollars, and I'm pretty sure the settlement was to get rid of him, they had to pay his contract out.

2:32:14So he was making$20 million and not even working for them. He was making some money and not even working for them. He used to be, I think, a part owner in Daily Caller. He got a little dip company that he has now that's a little nicotine pack. I'm sure that company's worth tens of millions of dollars. And he has a podcast that's the number one podcast. His YouTube channel is insane. And he had 15 million infused into his podcast, which probably helps it reach so many more people. He has to be worth between 20 and 50. Why did he get so mad when that kid asking that and cussed the kid? And then he used the excuse of when the kid said, Jesus Christ, don't take God's name in vain.

2:32:51Get off the stage. None of what he do and what he stand for was what Charlie Kirk stood for. Why is he still being elevated in the movement? A part of me thinks it's money. It's money and it's it's a it's connection to a person to have resources versus being principled and saying, when you get out there and you are anti-Semite, I no longer can platform you. I do not understand why he's still platform. And a part of me don't understand why why Charlie was friends with him. but I see it because I'm still friends with Candace. And so even though I don't agree with her stuff, we still can be friends.

2:33:33And I think that that's why how he's with Tucker. All the people that know him that I know say he didn't agree with Tucker and he definitely agree with Candace. But why are they platforming this guy? And that to me...

2:33:47Francis Foster:Isn't it just basic numbers? I mean, Tucker has a massive audience. Right. But that's what I'm saying. It's not necessarily about what... What the truth is. What people are saying. Like the young kids are coming up thinking that we're trying to win our country. Other people got something else going on. Somebody is in business with this person that's in business with this person that raised money for this person. And this person has got influence. So we're going to act like we don't see that. We're going to act like we don't see him cuss a kid out on campus, which was an embarrassment. And I said very clearly, he's antithetical to Turning Point USA.

2:34:27The young people need to hear truth. They need to hear integrity. They need to hear love for country. They need to hear at least trust in the government reasonably. Not somebody questioning everything the government is doing. Tucker is out there saying that Donald Trump is run by Netanyahu. He's saying that. This is why we have a divide of the next generation. You have the divide on the right because you got people that are reasonable. You got people like him that are pushing conspiracies, that are pushing hate against Jews, that are pushing that the government is somehow Kesh Patel or evil. And I don't understand.

2:35:04But to your point, he's the number one podcaster. He's worth tens of millions of dollars, if not more. And he got mad at that kid and he has a lot of influence. And some people rather have the influence than to be principled. I wouldn't have nothing to say about him if he was, in my opinion, if he was being legitimate. He legitimately had questions about Israel. I'd be like, fine, I don't care. I'm not Israeli. So if you don't like Israel, then don't like Israel. But it's just the way he's going about doing things that make you feel like, dang, Tucker, either you were fake then or you're fake now.

2:35:40Why did you believe that and you changed? I don't hear your conversion story. I don't hear the story of why you now hate Israel. I don't hear the story why you supported Donald Trump all this time and now Donald Trump is the enemy. He's essentially saying that Donald Trump is committing treason. If you were beholden to the interests of another country as an American, that's treason. He's saying it, but he's too much of a coward to call Donald Trump by name. The kid came on stage at the event and said, the governments are the same, no matter who's in office. Biden's in office and Trump is in office.

2:36:12It's the same. They're still giving all our money away and they're still not America first. And he agreed with it. Is that the message you want to teach young people that you should distrust one of the president? That's probably the most pro-American, you know, pro-conservative, pro-Republican. And so anyway, I go down the rabbit hole, but I've learned over time and I tell young people this all the time. Don't don't glorify these people like they're gods. Many of these people aren't who you think they are. there's a few that are real in this movement that are genuine that'll go to bat and you can tell because when the when the wind blow they they sturdy like this glass versus they overhear when it's popular they overhear when it's popular when there's money over here they say they believe something but they like this person because it's popular and you know anyway that's that's

2:37:07Francis Foster:that's the thing that bothers me the most well i think brandon one of the ways i've found for myself to tell who is real and who isn't on left and right is the people who are prepared to say that they don't agree with their own side when their own side in their opinion has gone wrong right and i appreciate you coming on and and talking about both both sides and where they go right and go wrong and just sharing your opinions with us we usually go for an hour we went for three we've been here for three hours yeah yeah yeah oh my god i apologize No, no, no, no. Why? You know, I'm a talker, man. I have my own show, so I'll talk to you guys later.

2:37:40No, no, no, no. We loved it.

2:37:41Francis Foster:It was great having you on. We're going to ask you some more questions from my supporters. Before we do, though, what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be as a society? As a society, I think we need to talk more about Jesus Christ. I mean, when Charlie Kirk died, I think people start seeing that revival come back. But we're getting too secularized. We're forgetting the foundational principle. And this is, I'm speaking as an American specifically. But we forget the foundational principles of where this country came, where our country was founded. All the greatness that we espouse and all the freedoms that we have, we forget that that came from a Judeo-Christian background.

2:38:15All of our laws, people go, it's not secular. All of our laws that we have now come from a biblical worldview. Our constitutional rights come from God, inalienable rights. All of those things on our money. You know, in the Congress, we have the judges, and one of the judges in our Congress is Moses. And so we got to start getting to the bottom of Jesus, faith in God, and understanding we're in a spiritual war. And it's not just carnal. It's not just politics. It's something bigger going on. Appreciate it.

2:38:49Francis Foster:All right. Head on over to Substack at triggerpod.co.uk where you get to see Brandon answer your questions. how can we tackle accusations of coconutism where people are accused of being white especially where the accusations are around pretty much anything indicating success