The Extraordinary Silence...And What It Tells Us - Konstantin Kisin

4 Oct 2025 · 7 min · 5 chapters

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In short

Konstantin Kisin argues that the Gaza conflict is a war, not genocide, and claims many prominent anti-genocide campaigners avoid pressuring Hamas to accept peace terms. He uses the reaction to President Trump’s proposed Gaza deal as evidence, claiming it would meet anti-war goals (end fighting, Israeli withdrawal, detainee/hostage exchange, aid, Rafah reopening, non-Hamas/non-Israeli administration, no annexation/occupation, US-mediated talks). He says “genocide” is being misused via “sleight of mouth” definitions.

Guest(s)

None mentioned in the provided transcript; it appears to be a solo episode by Konstantin Kisin.

Notable examples/claims

Hamas’s rejection is framed as proof the conflict is not genocide; comparisons to Tutsis in Rwanda, Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, and Jews in the Warsaw ghetto. Mentions critics/figures: Crystal Ball, Candace Owens, Owen Jones, Jeremy Corbyn.

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Chapters

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Mattress Buying Experience

0:00 to 0:15

Learn about the host's humorous approach to purchasing mattresses.

“I've bought two mattresses in my entire life.”

Response to October 7th Attack

2:42 to 3:35

Hear the host's initial reaction and later reflections on the October 7th attack.

“It's not a country I've been to, and until recently, not one I've commented on.”

Analyzing the Israel-Hamas Conflict

3:35 to 6:34

Explore the complexities of the Israel-Hamas situation and the misconceptions surrounding it.

“entitled Why I'm Off the Fence About Israel's War.”

Understanding Genocide and War

6:34 to 7:40

Delve into the definitions of genocide and the realities of the Gaza conflict.

“A war that Hamas started and is losing very badly.”

Understanding Genocide and War

8:16 to 8:34

Delve into the definitions of genocide and the realities of the Gaza conflict.

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0:00Konstantin Kisin:I've bought two mattresses in my entire life. Both times I walked into a shop, lay on it for about four seconds and thought, yeah, that'll do. Genuinely world-class decision-making, which is crazy because you spend a third of your life on the thing and most of us buy one the way you'd buy a toaster. Today's sponsor is Avocado Green Mattress. Certified organic mattresses. No polyurethane foam anywhere near them, just natural materials and they're handmade. The bit that actually got me is you don't have to buy it blind. Avocado has real showrooms plus retail partners across the US. So you can go in, lie down properly, not for four seconds, and work out if it actually suits you before you pay for it.

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2:41Francis Foster:As regular viewers will know, Israel is not one of my issues. It's not a country I've been to, and until recently, not one I've commented on. When the terrorist attack happened on October the 7th, 2023, my reaction was a combination of horror and, strange as it may sound, curiosity. Whenever something happens in the world that I do not understand, my instinct is to try to learn as much as I can before forming an opinion. That's why I said little for a year after October 7th, instead engaging with people on all sides of the argument. On Trigonometry, we interviewed pro-Israel voices like Ben Shapiro, Natasha Haustoff, and eventually Benjamin Netanyahu himself, as well as those on the other side, like Norman Finkelstein, Bassem Youssef, and Ahmed Fouad al-Khatib.

3:26Francis Foster:Eventually, having listened to the different arguments, I published what became my most viral article and video on the first anniversary of October 7th, entitled Why I'm Off the Fence About Israel's War. In it, I attempted to logically analyze the arguments and reach a conclusion. In short, my view was, and remains, that many of the anti-Israel arguments are at best driven by emotions which are understandable but irreconcilable with the facts, and at worst, deliberate manipulations designed to weaponize our natural horror at seeing the realities of war. Now, as the second anniversary of October 7th approaches, we are witnessing a spectacular cascade of events that reveal the unvarnished truth of this entire debate.

4:08Francis Foster:And no, I'm not talking about President Trump's 21-point Gaza peace plan. I'm talking about the reaction to it, which reveals what this is actually about. The Trump plan is a roadmap to peace which delivers every single anti-war and pro-peace objective, an immediate end to the war, Israeli withdrawal, the release of over 2 ,000 Palestinian detainees in exchange for just 20 remaining living Israeli hostages, delivery of aid, reopening of the Rafah crossing with Egypt, a non-Israeli, non-Hamas administration of Gaza, an economic development package, a commitment against the displacement of Palestinians, no annexation, no occupation, and US-mediated talks between Israel and the Palestinians to achieve a, quote, peaceful and prosperous coexistence.

4:55Francis Foster:To my complete lack of surprise, however, many of the most prominent campaigners against genocide who have graced our airwaves for the last two years have either stayed silent or openly called for Hamas to reject the deal. Crystal Ball of Breaking Points, who once published an extraordinary critique of our interview with Netanyahu, which she began by admitting she hadn't actually watched it, spent 20 minutes on her show insinuating that Hamas should not take the deal. Her social media is a continuous stream of virtue signaling with no mention of the fact that if you want to stop the genocide, an offer to do so is on the table.

5:31Francis Foster:Candace Owens, another peace enthusiast, hasn't even bothered to comment on President Trump's peace proposal at all. She's too busy making money from Charlie Kirk's murder by conducting her own investigation into his assassination from the comfort of her own studio. Hint, Jews are involved. Here in Britain, Owen Jones has not only failed to urge her master to accept the deal, but on the contrary, has shared tweets and videos portraying it as unacceptable, effectively suggesting that it should be rejected. Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn dismissed the deal as yet another colonial endeavor. It's important to say, I don't believe it's in Hamas' interest to accept the Trump peace plan.

6:08Francis Foster:After all, it requires them to disarm and relinquish any role in the future governance of Gaza. Hamas is perfectly entitled to reject a deal it dislikes, in exactly the same way Ukraine won't accept peace terms with Russia that it feels would damage its long-term interests. But Hamas's ability and willingness to reject the deal is a clear indicator of what the conflict in Gaza actually is. Far from being genocide, it's a war. A war that Hamas started and is losing very badly. You cannot simultaneously cling to a bunch of war goals in order to retain power and continue terrorism, and at the same time claim to be a poor, hapless victim of genocide.

6:48Francis Foster:The Tutsi in Rwanda, Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were not slaughtered because they were offered peace terms they then rejected. They were killed for being Tutsis, Armenians, and Jews. That's what genocide actually means. One of the oldest tricks used by liars throughout the ages is what I call sleight of mouth, where definitions are stretched beyond their remit to get people to believe lies. This is a powerful technique because if I can get you to misapply the term genocide to the conflict in Gaza, I can get you to stop seeing it as a battle between two belligerents and instead treat Israel as the criminal and Hamas as the victim.

7:26Francis Foster:What the last few days have shown is that the overwhelming majority of those demanding an end to the so-called genocide in Gaza do not believe it is one themselves, as demonstrated by their unwillingness to pressure Hamas to accept a deal that would end it. This is a war. Their side is losing and they're using the suffering of Palestinian civilians, human shields placed in harm's way by Hamas, to generate clicks, likes, and views. If you enjoy my videos, you should know that they're available on my sub-stack as articles days, weeks, sometimes even months ahead of time. So head on over to constantinkission.com right now and subscribe.

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