They Tried To Cancel Me So Many Times I Stopped Caring - Greg Gutfeld

11 Jan 2026 · 1 h 12 min · 26 chapters

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In short

Greg Gutfeld recounts his career amid repeated “cancelation” attempts, arguing that woke/cancellation has lost power because it backfires and because audiences and advertisers increasingly reject it. He also discusses how his anarchic, teasing style helped build Fox’s Red Eye and then The Five and Gutfeld!, plus broader claims about media bias, DEI, and political culture wars.

Guest backgrounds

This episode is a solo interview with Greg Gutfeld (host/guest). No other guests are interviewed in the provided transcript.

Key claims

He says he stopped caring after being targeted so often; Fox kept backing him; “woke” died when it helped people; comedians can’t be “canceled” if they’re undeniable; and modern TV is shifting toward either “entertainment welfare” or a more profitable, less-offensive path.

Notable examples

Meeting and eating President Reagan’s dinner; being fired from Men’s Health after a “Best Colleges for Men” editorial stunt; getting fired from Maxim for a “little people” buzz stunt at a symposium; IKEA suing over a Maxim UK “IKEA sex party” illustrated parody; Adam Bomb lighting his guitar on fire in the newsroom; The Five launching in 2011 and Gutfeld! going nightly after Suzanne Scott’s push.

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Chapters

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Introduction to Cancel Culture

0:00 to 1:02

Greg discusses his experiences with being canceled and the absurdity of some incidents.

“I've been a target of being canceled so many times that I stopped caring.”

Greg's Journey in Publishing

3:43 to 9:39

Greg shares his early career experiences in publishing, including memorable moments with President Reagan and his time at Men's Health.

“I think my first publishing job where I did no writing or publishing was at the American Spectator, a small conservative political rag out of Arlington.”

The Controversial College Article

9:40 to 11:46

Greg recounts the incident involving his controversial article on colleges for men and its repercussions.

“Yes, because I went to college that year and my friends ended up like, dude, you have to read this.”

The Incident That Got Greg Fired

11:47 to 14:00

Greg describes a chaotic incident involving little people at a symposium that led to his firing.

“And was that because you've got balls or because you were reckless as a young man?”

Chaos at the Interview

14:00 to 16:46

Greg shares a chaotic experience during an interview with Pamela Anderson.

From Fired to Promoted: A Twist

16:46 to 19:15

Greg discusses getting fired and unexpectedly promoted by Dennis Publishing.

“Dennis Publishing calls me again and they go, would you be interested in becoming?”

Taking the Helm at Maxim UK

19:15 to 19:55

Greg recounts his move to become the editor of Maxim UK and the changes he made.

“criticizing Trump's cuts to public health research.”

Transition to Late Night

19:55 to 22:23

Greg describes his transition into late-night television and initial challenges.

“You can't find any of this stuff though, because it's weird.”

The Evolution of Gutfeld

22:23 to 28:01

Greg shares the evolution of his show and the unique chemistry with his team.

“But for the first, I would say, five months, it was just a show.”

Deciding to Go Live: A Career Shift

28:01 to 29:03

Learn how a conversation influenced Greg's decision to host a nightly show.

“I call him up and I go, yeah, so Fox wants to take my Saturday show and make it every night.”
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Cultural Shifts in Comedy and Politics

29:04 to 30:59

Discover how Greg views the intersection of comedy, politics, and cultural change.

“Well, it's kind of funny the way you described your life.”

The Cancel Culture Struggle

31:00 to 33:05

Greg discusses the attempts to cancel him and how he navigated those challenges.

“You know, Greg, it strikes me that you're a true comedian in the sense that you're anarchic.”

The Rise of Woke Culture and Its Impact

33:06 to 34:05

Explore the effects of woke culture on comedy and public discourse.

“Because one of the things when you're going through that particular type of cultural landscape is you are at real risk of your career ending.”

The Rise of Woke Culture and Its Impact

34:06 to 36:11

Explore the effects of woke culture on comedy and public discourse.

“And I think that now I think that's completely flipped.”

Comedy's Resurgence and Cultural Commentary

36:21 to 41:33

Greg examines the current state of comedy and its relation to societal norms.

“Even on TV, even on mainstream like MSNBC and all of these, you think that's the case?”

The Illusions of the Current Political Landscape

41:34 to 42:04

Discussing delusions in politics and media, and the importance of accountability.

The Illusion of Political Delusions

42:04 to 47:51

Discussion about delusions surrounding politics, media, and personal relationships.

“You can't, you can't like, yeah, maybe Trump did what you're saying, but I don't buy it from you.”

Addiction to Political Narratives

49:13 to 56:03

Analysis of how political ideologies can become addictive and affect personal relationships.

“But it seems to me as well, if we go back to the matter of TV, TV is at this place now where it's kind of like an alcoholic.”

Reflections on Parenthood and Happiness

56:03 to 58:13

Greg discusses how becoming a parent has redefined his sense of happiness and fulfillment.

“And I'm going, I can't get any happier than this.”

The Transformative Experience of Having Children

58:13 to 1:00:56

Exploration of the philosophy of transformation science and the unique experiences tied to parenthood.

“And you're, you, you, you, you go, God, I wish I could have gone back over the, go back in time and tell myself this, which is impossible.”

Cultural Narratives Around Family and Children

1:00:56 to 1:03:12

Discussion on societal perceptions of parenthood and the impact of negative narratives on family.

“We've kind of like said, yeah, you're right.”

The Realities of Parenting

1:03:12 to 1:04:56

Conversation about the challenges of parenthood and the joy it brings despite societal negativity.

“You actually just want to be happy and you can be happy without having it all.”

Hopefulness for America’s Future

1:04:56 to 1:07:19

Greg expresses his optimism regarding America despite current challenges facing society.

“I have a lot of I have a trust that things work out.”

The Choice to Overcome Anger

1:07:19 to 1:09:22

Discussion on the importance of personal choice in responding to negative emotions and societal issues.

“And then I have to say, did this stuff always exist and we just didn't film it?”

Discussion on January 6th Bombings

1:10:01 to 1:10:20

Learn about the events of January 6th and the ongoing investigations.

“Somebody planted a bomb, a couple of bombs, I think, but they never found out who did it.”

Interview with Greg Gutfeld

1:10:20 to 1:10:58

Insights from Greg Gutfeld on conservative media and key figures.

“Head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where we ask your questions to Greg.”
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Transcript

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0:01I've been a target of being canceled so many times that I stopped caring.

0:05Francis Foster:Did you get sued? I'd f***ing sue you. You'd do that to me. I don't know if I would do that again. So I got to meet President Reagan, which was a big deal. Ate his dinner when he left the table. Then I got fired from that for an incident involving little people, the IKEA sex party. And so the IKEA finally sued. So that was like not good. guy lighting his guitar on fire I thought was going to turn on turn on all the sprinklers and just get me fired if all the sprinklers had gone on it would have destroyed the net it would have like the whole network would go down Greg are you hopeful for America yes I am I don't know why I've bought two mattresses in my entire life both times I walked into a shop lay on it for about four seconds and thought, yeah, that'll do.

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3:29Thanks for having me here. Quite rustic in here. A lot of books.

3:32Francis Foster:There are a lot of books. It's great to have you on, man. Yeah. I've been meaning to do this for a long time. Tell us your story because you've got a great show on Fox. People love it but you've got a fascinating life story as well. Yeah, it's not an overnight sensation. It was a lot of twists and turns. I started in publishing. I think my first publishing job where I did no writing or publishing was at the American Spectator, a small conservative political rag out of Arlington. I was a staff assistant. Got to meet President Reagan, which was a big deal. Ate his dinner when he left the table. uh that was like that was like he made the entire twelve thousand dollars a year job worth it was he was at my boss's house uh for because because reagan would do like two dinners a year and he came to my boss's house bob tyrrell and i was the his assistant so i was cleaning the place up and all this and in return i could stay there and uh when um they were finishing it was like 12 people when they finished eating, I saw that Reagan hadn't finished his chicken.

4:40So I moved over around the table, and I just scooped the chicken up, and I shoved it down my throat. Like a cat. Like a cat. It didn't matter, bones, you name it, everything. Because I was just, I don't know, did we have DNA back then? I had his DNA in me. That's all that mattered. That was like 87, 88? So he's still president. Yeah. So it was like, was he, he was, the election was 88. So yeah, he was president in 88. Yeah. I was going to make a joke. So you were like Monica Lewinsky, basically. Yes. I was the first Lewinsky.

5:17Francis Foster:Somewhat unflattering comparison. Yes. I wasn't wearing a blue shirt though. That's the difference. But yes, I was there. Then I'm, I went back home, moved back home with my mom because I wanted to be a writer. and so I started writing weird satirical pieces and I got one into the San Francisco Chronicle and that was like my first published piece I was very excited but I wasn't making any money so I took a job in Allentown Pennsylvania as an editor for Prevention Magazine which was a health magazine and it was like basically the world's largest health magazine for like it was the audience was like middle-aged to older women with cats.

5:53And so I got totally into fitness journalism. And I parlayed that into a gig at Men's Health, which was the, we invented abs. You did not know what abs were until Men's Health came aboard. Because remember, before Men's Health, it was all biceps. But then abs were the new biceps. And I'd like to think I started it. I wrote all, how old are you guys 43 42. so it was before you were in your 20s in the 90s so did you ever buy men's health i did buy men's health yeah so all those ab cover lines i wrote those like four steps to flat abs that was me but it was great because i understood the whole thing about magazines that i used in tv was packaging and i think that that is something that um was missing like it's like It's the whole package.

6:48It's how it looks. It's what are the five things? And with men's health, it was easy. It was sex, stress, muscle, fitness, nutrition. And it's like if you just stuck to those cover lines, you would have a hit magazine. And I started to, I had a little chart where I'd throw a dart and I'd have all the little things in a guy's life and then the setups, like five steps to how to get rid of, the best way to, the worst way to and then i would just throw a dart and you boom and i get a story that is so

7:21Francis Foster:interesting because it's almost like human nature is so consistent over time yes like you look at youtube now and you go our friends you know stephen bartlett or chris williamson i mean they're doing that yeah no it's it's a it's a big deal i'm actually i find that so refreshing that there there are and i i guess that's refreshing because it's also kind of on our side you know what i mean because when you look at the other side i'm talking like politically or socially they don't look like they care about their fitness i think it's basically remember when they started saying fitness was like white supremacist right it was because we were just better looking i don't know about that maybe on the male side on the female side this is kind of if i were a single man now i'd have to say the word girls are kind of hot i you know what there's some They are conservatives.

8:13Francis Foster:I don't mind saying that either. But the woke girls. Okay, you know what's interesting about that is that you're probably, I'd say they're probably the same, but only one side makes beauty a product of patriarchy. And so they encourage, like if you take a reasonably attractive girl and put her in the woke machine, in three years, you won't recognize her. Because, you know, it's like, i don't need to i don't need to get dressed why would i why would i do my hair if it's just to please a guy so you get that kind of like weird transformation i don't know if you remember those things on x where they show a girl before and then after and she when she's woke and uh and i think you're seeing now the rebound with like all the like tp usa i used to go to those things have you been to a tpus it's like everybody there is like they walked out of uh uh raf loren yeah thank you i was gonna say teen vogue but that would have been a terrible example r.i.p but uh where was it oh and then i yes i was at men's health i was there uh got fired and how'd you get fired um if it's a boring story skip it but usually getting fired is kind of funny there's a number of things What happened after I got fired was funny, but I had done a story in, it was like 2000, called The Best Colleges for Men.

9:38This is so far ahead of its time. It wasn't even... I remember that. What was that? It was probably 2000. Yes, because I went to college that year and my friends ended up like, dude, you have to read this. It was all about speech. It was all about all the weird, what we would call woke that was happening on campuses. but I can't remember who wrote it. It might've been Harry Stein or Dennis Boyle, some older writer. And it got so much grief within the company because the company wrote it was very liberal. And there was a box there, a sidebar on the worst colleges. And I think the number one worst college happened to be the one that the CEO went to.

10:19So that was it. So, but then what happened was I got fired. I don't know how this, you know, an editor has an editorial letter that they put in the front of the magazine. So within the week after I got fired, I rewrote it and I sent it and replaced the one that was going to print. So the one going to, the one that was supposed to go to print was going to say like, this issue's great. We've got blah, blah, blah. We're interviewing this. But in this case, it said, hey, just letting you know, I got fired. and you know why I got fired? And I go through these reasons and it goes into the magazine, goes to press and they got 100 ,000 copies printed and before they shut it down and it was a big story.

11:04Did you get sued? No, because I didn't do anything wrong. I'd fucking sue you if you did that to me. I think somebody thought, somebody who wasn't well versed in what was going on said, hey you know the you know do you want to do any changes to your you know this is your he said this is your last issue so do you want to add anything and i'm like yeah no and then i go wait a second and then i like did that and then i was able to buy three copies of it because i can't remember if i was on the west coast or he's i think it was in the west coast they came out the first 100 000 came out on the west coast they had stopped the presses and removed it on the right which cost i I don't know, half a million dollars to do that.

11:48But, yeah. But that. And was that because you've got balls or because you were reckless as a young man? Both. Both. Both. Yeah, I don't know if I would do that again. But I ended up, it was great because it was great advertising because at that time, lad culture in publishing was coming up. Right. And so there was Maxim and Stuff. And I turned down a job at Maxim when I was at Men's Health because it wasn't for the editor-in-chief job. But then Stuff, they saw what I did and they needed an editor-in-chief. So I go over to Stuff Magazine, which was awesome. What a great job. And we had a blast, did a lot of crazy stories.

12:27It was the most gay-friendly men's magazine because we hated bro culture. So we'd have pictures of hot girls, but in the captions would be stuff like, hey, you like this girl? I have more pictures of these at my apartment if you'd like to come over. You know, we'd be like basically hitting on the view on the reader. We do stupid like that. Then I got fired from that for it's an incident involving little people where I had I was asked to speak on how to create buzz for a symposium that featured like Oprah. Oh, magazine, Cosmopolitan, Glamour. All the Maxim was on the on the days. um what was the other rolling stone the reason why it's important because what happens so anyway um they asked me to speak on how to create buzz and i said no i don't do these things and um and then i thought wait a minute this could be fun and so i call back and they said no it's too late and i said oh okay so i bought tickets uh to the symposium and I hired three little people and they all came dressed as different types there was a guy dressed in a top hat and like a blah blah and there was another guy dressed as like a gangster I can't remember the other one but they were they were quote little people journalists and so they came into the they came in so while the this thing was going on they would raise questions and they like they asked the Rolling Stone editor you know why does Rolling Stone suck and then they were like kind of put off and then one of them is eating but now i'm not there i'm in la interviewing pamela anderson i'm at the sunset marquee and my buddy bill schultz is there by phone telling me what's going on and it's total chaos so they're these little guys look they're eating potato chips and they they're doing something with clipboards that are really loud and i can't remember what it was but it's it's been documented but uh finally uh this the uh what was the name of the the woman moderator cindy levy goes could you please stop this and and one of the journalists goes it's because i'm short and she goes no i'm short and then this woman stands up and she goes can we all just agree something's happening here this is this is not normal and like nobody would back her up because they were so scared of like being offensive to little people so she's going this is obvious there's a thing going on so finally they got the security to escort the little guys out and um the uh they were they were like somebody did this and they and they thought it was the editor of maxim who was up on the days and he's livid he's like i had nothing to do with this so dennis publishing which published maxim and stuff they're like they're fielding calls about this whole thing and then i take credit for it and i just thought it was hilarious and everybody at Dennis Publishing was so pissed off at me so uh so then that led to so you got fired yes I got fired but I got I did this thing where I got fired and promoted so they said so Steve Colvin who was the head of the company goes you know we're gonna transition you out to be the depart department of brand development in Los Angeles this was basically saying it's like what you guys call gardening gardening lead they just wanted me away from the product and uh and so um they said you're going to be director brand department you're going to be dealing with you know pitching pilots to like mtv and i go okay i know i'm fired but i go okay and i go and i and i said uh so is this a promotion and he said yeah it's a promotion because he thinks that it'll get me to say yes i go great then i should get a raise so i got a raise and i worked for so they I'm in L.A.

16:22I all I did was basically drink and do other sort of things. And and but I did pitch a few things that got made. But I was basically just miserable living in what do you call those? The Westwood. I think the Westwood are like corporate apartments. I was there for a while. And then as my contract for that year is up, which is they're going to just let me go. And I don't know what I'm going to do. Dennis Publishing calls me again and they go, would you be interested in becoming? editor of Maxim UK. And it's like, they fired me and then they want me back. And so I, I meet with, and Felix, who's the owner, who's died a couple of years ago, crazy mother, crackhead or former crackhead, just a classic legend, was saying, you don't want to do this.

17:14You like, I'm telling you, but they said, no, this is what we think of the story. American comes to the uk uh and maxim is in third place we can move it up past i think it was like fhm loaded loaded yeah and uh um so i i take the job i get like i think it was like a two-year contract and i just start changing the magazine doing a lot of um unusual things that again got me into trouble uh the ikea sex party which was where we took we made instructions on how to put uh ikea furniture together but um with but with kama sutra models like women having like while you're putting a table together you're also doing doggy style and it's like all illustrated it was it was like i think i got i think i must have been fired a couple of times during that two-year thing and that was probably the last one but ikea so what happened was we had to apologize guys.

18:16And then the Maxim brand in Czechoslovakia ran it and they weren't supposed to. And the IKEA company said, you have to take this, remove it. He said, f*** you. And so the IKEA finally sued. So that was like not good.

18:37Francis Foster:The news doesn't just tell you what's happening. It so often tells you what to think is happening. And these days, the biggest red flag isn't what's said, it's what gets left out. That's why I use Ground News. It's the only site and app that compares coverage from across the political spectrum and highlights which stories are being ignored entirely. See for yourself at ground.news slash trigonometry. Their blind spot feed is one of my favorite features. It surfaces around 20 stories a day that are being overlooked by either the left or the right. It's a simple but powerful way to track media bias in real time.

19:12Francis Foster:Like this, NIH scientists recently published a declaration criticizing Trump's cuts to public health research. That's a major move, and yet only 2 % of the coverage came from right-leaning outlets. A new study found that 2024 saw the most armed conflicts globally since 1946, a staggering statistic. But you would have missed it if you'd only read left-wing news sources. Ground News gives you the full picture. headlines, ownership, bias ratings, and context. So you can actually understand what's going on, not just react to what you're told. Head to ground.news slash trigonometry for 40 % off their unlimited advantage plan, the same one we use, and start thinking for yourself.

19:54There was a couple of other things that happened there that were like really grim, but great. You can't find any of this stuff though, because it's weird. It's like all the Maximum UK issues, I still have them. They're so disgusting. Then I ended up, so I got a contract not renewed.

20:12Francis Foster:He's using inverted commas. Yes, yes. And then, so I ended up getting a book deal, writing a book on my life in London, and did that from like 2007, 2006, 2007. While that was happening, I'm writing for the Huffington Post, which is Ariana Huffington's new thing, where she tried to make it so that celebrities were cool with political stuff and they hired me by chance because somebody dropped out and all i did was make fun of the people there including ariana and that got fox's attention and breitbart was andrew breitbart was running the huffington post at the time and so we became friends and then i get this person visits me in london and says fox really wants to do like a uh an edgy late night late, late, late show.

21:02And, uh, you know, would you be up for it? I said, hell yeah. So I flew to New York, met with, uh, Roger Ailes and some other people. And under the assumption that this was just like a pipe dream, it really wasn't going to happen. And so they hired me and I showed, so me and Elena, we moved, that's my wife who I'd met when I was at Maxim. We like the first day there, I'm with this guy, uh, John Moody, who's going to be my boss. He goes, okay, so, uh, we're gonna get started on Monday and I said what he goes next week the show starts do you know any and he goes do you know anybody that you'd like to have on the show like guests or anything what are you I go I've never even done this before so I wrote all of this all of these things basically from my magazine background of like pockets segments of things just the way I would do a magazine and I so I had this whole show mapped out and it it's like the producer they on me just went like that she goes so the news she goes a block you're gonna be doing this and b and it's like this it was like no you're gonna be doing new like it's this is you're just gonna come in there with these people around a table and like the first story will be i don't know what was bush still president yes yeah he was 2007 so maybe it's about i don't know iraq war but nothing that serious and then the b block would be this c block and so i didn't know what i was doing so But for the first, I would say, five months, it was just a show.

22:27And it was true. All of my friends were guests. I hired a friend, this guy, Bill Schultz, from Stuff Magazine, who was greatest fame was he ran the entire Disney marathon in costume while chain smoking. So that was good. And then this other guy, Andy Levy, I hired because he left comments on the Huffington Post blog that I liked. he became my ombudsman. So none of us had any TV experience. And then I just started having guests, but I started getting really weird people like Lee Tiener Aguirre, a lot of people that ended, Amy Schumer, a lot of people who got big later, a lot of people who are now dead from mysterious things, professional wrestlers.

23:10But that was on every night and it was terrible. But then something happened. It's like all of a sudden we stopped worrying about being embarrassed. you know it was that whole it was like once you get over that you're used to it's like i guess like doing stand-up yeah where you got it once once you've bombed enough times it's like all of a sudden you don't care and then it just gets fun and then it gets good and all of a sudden it became like this really subversive we were doing really weird things and it got this amazing following that was beating the morning shows on other networks not big like cable networks and uh and so i mean there's a lot of that went on at red eye that was crazy uh guy lighting his guitar on fire i thought was going to turn off turn on all the sprinklers and just get me fired and this was a good story because it told me something about fox was um his name was adam bomb he was a punk rocker and i would go to him for a question he's in the newsroom about the news and he would give his answer and then solo so that's right greg and then and then so like after the four minute segment he's like got wide-eyed ex-junkie looks like hairs all over the place and at the end he just pours lighter fluid on his guitar sets it on fire and i'm i had no idea nobody knew and then the show ends and i i go to tell the uh the producer i go are we going to have jobs?

24:39And it's because I don't know. And then the show airs because I thought that like lighting a fire inside the control inside the newsroom, not inside the studio, but in the newsroom, everybody's working. How could you still have a job? Especially I mean, like you think about it, if all the sprinklers had gone on, it would have destroyed the net. It would have like the whole network would go down. And so we went to this bar Langan's and we drank there. And then I I woke up in the morning and I came to work expecting nothing because nobody there was watching the show. So I was like, I go, wow, we really are like the kids that stay up and around while the parents are asleep.

25:23So that kind of like I realized, wow, we can do a lot. Then they launched The Five in 2011. That was supposed to be a three month summer replacement when Beck left, Glenn Beck left. but it hit it off really good because of the chemistry between us a lot of the chemistry for the five and gutfeld is based on teasing i try to explain it to people but they don't understand you got like it has to be so why it's why late night has a problem because it's like the late night host can make fun of people but nobody can make fun of them and it just creates a weird tension but everybody makes fun of me and i make fun of them and the teasing is what it's a cohesive gel the secret sauce um and so that's been going for I don't know almost 15 2011 14 years launched Gutfeld as a weekly I can't believe I've gone through my entire career you know what that's pretty amazing how did I do that and it was like so and then uh 2000 I don't know 14 we launched Gutfeld as a weekly show on Saturdays then it became nightly uh would you like to hear a story about that yes because if I'm talking too much just tell me to

26:27Francis Foster:no no this is great we interrupt people when they're boring but if you're telling so this is a great story so um the c is the ceo suzanne scott says you know i think it's time that you take your show and go nightly as a late night show i think you're it this is a perfect time people need to laugh and i was blunt i said uh no i i'm really actually i think my target on my back is enough you know i've seen what happens to everybody like um you know if you're a conservative media matters we'll try to take all your advertising there'll be stories that come up about you you'll be i already have a weekly show in the five i'm fine she goes well just think about it just think about it so i end up um going home and i i i do what everybody does you look for people to validate your opinion so i call i call a retired late night talk show host uh whose name might not be dennis miller but and i i tell him my i go yeah i don't think he goes you're absolutely right you don't want to do it it's like dude you gotta he said you've got a great gig you got like the five is great and it's there's four other people it's not on you and you got it this week what do you need i mean i'm sure they're paying you everything's i'm going yes yes i'm like so happy that like I can go in and say no.

27:49And then for some reason, like on a Friday when I was supposed to go in and talk to Suzanne, I decide to call Tucker. And because I thought I felt like I needed like more validation on what I was doing. I call him up and I go, yeah, so Fox wants to take my Saturday show and make it every night. And he just goes, that's the best. Oh, my God, that's the best oh you have to that is amazing and then i go i go wow and i go i i don't know if i want to do it don't be a pussy and it was like he um i got it so i explained to michael like uh uh but dude you got like you got you had to move your house you know you there's all of you become a He goes, hi, that's the worst reason.

28:40F**k them. And I was like, all of a sudden, I get off the phone. I'm like, I'm doing the show. I'm doing the show. It's like he just had this power just to completely turn the knob. Either I'm easily influenced or maybe somehow I knew that I needed to hear another opinion. And then I went in and I said yes to the show. And then the thing just took off. So, Tucker.

29:04Francis Foster:Well, it's kind of funny the way you described your life. I mean, you come across as a bit of a maverick, a bit of a rogue, someone who likes a joke. And here you are on a kind of conservative news channel. That's an interesting fit, isn't it? Well, if you look at, okay, so a health company was not what I expected. And being in Ladd magazines was not my cup of tea. I wasn't interested in sports at all. I didn't know anything about soccer or football. And then you're right. But I was always under the belief that wherever I went, like I didn't become like a Republican to be like a Republican. I became a Republican so they would be more like me.

29:51Like it's like you guys need to loosen up. But not in that, that sounds arrogant, but like I'm hoping that if I do this, it will change the culture. That's kind of and it was Andrew Breitbart was the first person to say that, like, politics is downstream from culture. And that's where we were lacking. I mean, we were the and I always use the Dean Wormer analogy from Animal House that for so long we were Dean Wormer, the evil head of the college and the left was Animal House. And my role, I always felt, was to somehow flip that. and and uh and that's what i think that's kind of what you're seeing is that now the scolds the are the humorless people who are the karens of the world are on the left and it's people on the right that are having fun being a bit reckless here and there but that's you know that's part of free speech but it's like we're we are like the we are sharing the risk you know we you know we're not scared anymore and i think that i think that's kind of to your to your question it is unusual but i knew it would be and i knew that i could change it and it has a lot of the people from red eye that i've had in my show have been are now working at the network you're seeing a much younger uh edgier crowd unfortunately they everybody still likes country music i like country music but it's like there's country music everywhere so there's still some changes that need to be made Yeah.

31:21You know, Greg, it strikes me that you're a true comedian in the sense that you're anarchic. You like to subvert. You like to play. You like to push, provoke, tease. But yet your career traversed the period of time where it was the most censorious it's been for a long time. Like, how did you do that? How did you not get canceled? How did you not get people breaking down in tears saying that you've committed a micro macro, whatever type of aggression it is? They've tried. I mean, it's I would say like in the corporate world, when I was like at Rodale, that was an issue. People were always like complaining about stuff that I had said, but it was never a media thing.

32:04But when I got to Fox and I was told this the moment I got there from John Moody, that now all your friends at Gawker or wherever are going to hate you. And they were right. So and so like they did. I mean, I've been a target of being canceled so many times that I stopped caring. There were, you know, Media Matters, Daily Beast, these little they're not as influential as they used to be because people saw what they were cutting pastures and targeters and no, you know, no real substance there. But they were always what they would. There was a cycle where, like, let's say something like, I don't know, Media Matters would clip, then send it to like six like blogs or whatever.

32:49And then then the New York Times and somebody else would pick it up. And that's how you would get canceled. But I, you know, I'd been probably every other week had been targeted for something. But I guess it's because part of the reason was I think Fox kind of like stuck with me. You know, I never felt I only had I don't even think I ever had to make an apology. Wow. Yeah. Because one of the things when you're going through that particular type of cultural landscape is you are at real risk of your career ending. But also to quote Top Gun, you're in a target rich environment. Yes. But, you know, what's great and what we're what we've learned is that woke woke and cancellation died when they realized it was helping people.

33:35You know, it's like Kat was saying, if you ever got fired from a joke, it would actually make your career better. It's like true. It's like it's because it's like it's so it's it's almost like we were we were living in some kind of possessed universe or something. How did we let this happen? How did we let it? And it really was people were scared to share the risk. So like when somebody, you know, gets in trouble, you would help them. But for some reason, like people would just like comedians would not help out another comedian who gets who gets shafted. And I think that now I think that's completely flipped.

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34:17And now it's like we don't you know, you can pretty much say whatever you want. It's back to the old days. You know how at the beginning of every year, people say this is a year things change. Then by February, everything looks the same. If you've been sitting on a business idea for months or even years, 2026 is your line in the sand. The most common thing that separates people who talk about building something from the people who actually do it is taking the first step. And if you want this to be the year you finally launch, the smartest move you can make is starting your business with Shopify.

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36:41Yes. Yeah. It's I mean, it's a great story. The guy was kicked out of SNL because other castmates didn't like his style of humor. It was a pure it was a it was the weakest form of cancellation. You know, they didn't even have anything on him. But then he comes back and he's hosted SNL twice, you know, because he's undeniably funny. But I think, you know, there are places where it hasn't, where they haven't changed, wherever it's like MS Now or CNN. They're not in good shape. Meanwhile, it's so vibrant. All the pod, I mean, the podcast world is all like unapologetically anti-woke, you know. And, you know, Rogan and Kill Tony and Tim Dillon and you guys, Torganometry and Theo Vaughn, they're so – and Michael Malice.

37:36And there's so many. And they're smart. They're all different levels. Like, you can – like, I – that's where I get most of my – like, I get up every morning. I get on a bike, Peloton, and I listen to podcasts. I listen to Scott Adams, which is amazing. Probably the best thing to start your morning is coffee with Scott Adams because he goes through the news. But like what's a dark horse with Brett is good. Yeah, Brett and Heather. And but there's there's a ton that I go through. And Tim Dillon is hilarious. But a lot of that, I mean, that like I think it just there's nothing. They can't stop this anymore.

38:13Like who's going to who's going to listen to you? You know, when you can't when you say that they you know, Tim Dillon didn't use preferred pronouns. That was an issue for, like, I would get in, like, fights. I'm not doing that. Remember, who called that early was Jordan Peterson. I mean, that was his whole thing. But there was a story that we did on my show last night on GLAAD is reporting that, like, the number of gay, well, I'd say non-binary characters is being cut in half, either by shows being killed or characters being killed off. And I think it's because, you know, they realize that that doesn't work.

38:54You know, A, the percentage on TV far outpaced whatever was in the real world. And we knew that. But we couldn't say anything. And then the characters that they created, they thought could exist on their own identity, but without any depth, any humor. And you would watch TV or anything. And you'd be like, why is this person in this show? Other than to just be a virtue signal. And they also had a, they also had a, didn't they have a criteria in Hollywood where you had to, like, include a percentage of different types? And it was so obvious. But even that's changing, which is good.

39:30Francis Foster:Yeah, well, there's a non-binary genocide going on in the movies. Yes, exactly. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, but it's like, there was, there was like, I would remember watching The Diplomat, and they just had one character in there, the first season, that was just, what is this person doing there and it was just a complete uh what do you call it androgynous person you can't tell if it's a girl or a boy wearing a bow tie i'm pretty sure it was a woman but it's like she has no role other than like she's there and that's for you the viewer to know she exists you know but it's it's so interesting how that happened it's almost like they over indexed online so much that they lost touch with normal people yes yeah and they and they were maybe it didn't matter to them it's a lot like dei in the sense that those people online actually aren't going to buy the products they're just they're they're if they're if they're online complaining they probably don't have a lucrative career to buy things the people you want to get are the people who aren't doing that you know who have other lives you know going on they like to travel but most of the people on here doing this that you're paying attention to they don't give a It's not like, OK, let's say SNL fires Shane Gillis.

40:49It's not like the people that were complaining are suddenly going to watch SNL now. They weren't watching anyway. They just got a clip. So it's like they were baited by that idea that these people had some kind of impact that they didn't. But with DEI, that didn't matter because it's a separate track anyway. It's not about profit. That was the thing that really hurt companies. big companies could endure DEI because they could have a track that is not for profit

41:15Francis Foster:and they could but smaller companies smaller companies can't but when you say it like that you just go that just doesn't make any sense no it doesn't it doesn't but the people now get this you could be okay so you're the guy that's in charge of making the product that is supposed to sell so you have to design but then this person over here in the DEI department all they have to do is higher and they just have to get the numbers up and that's really easy and you don't have to worry about firing because you can't fire them you know you're that's they're in they're in no matter what so you and so what happens is if you're in the dei section you get promoted because you you meet the quotas that you meet have nothing to do with profit so this job is safe this job isn't that's why it was like like once you introduce it into your company there was almost no way to get it out but now it's getting out because people are finally going the emperor has no clothes it's just uh it's almost like everything that we went through was just a complete and utter delusion i mean it's amazing if you look in all of the areas the biden presidency the trans delusion de all these things were like like did we really buy this covid covid i mean think about it it was like it was like uh it it was like i'm trying to think of a movie where everybody wakes up and it was all a big dream maybe it was the end of dallas but you wouldn't know that because you're from uh england and russia um but uh yeah it was it's kind of like and everybody's trying to forget it yeah you know it's like the press would like you to forget about covering up for biden which i refuse to forget you know you've got you have to throw that you You have no credibility.

42:58You can't, you can't like, yeah, maybe Trump did what you're saying, but I don't buy it from you. Right. Because you like for four years.

43:06Francis Foster:Well, you know, I used to, I remember Stephen Colbert doing that speech at the White House Correspondents Dinner to George Bush's face. And I respected the hell out of that. Yeah, it was actually really good. It was amazing. And now I can't burn the image of him dancing as a syringe with a vaccine in it out of my brain. Oh, it's the vaccine. Because, because. How did that happen? Because how do you go from that to this? Yeah, how does that happen? Oh, that reminds me. So I won't say, because I don't know when this is running, but there was a clip, it was today, of an interview, and this is of Jimmy Kimmel and his wife.

43:44You've got to check it out, because it goes into, like, what changed? And in the interview, Kimmel is just, like, sitting very grim-faced, like this, And she's next to him and she's talking about how she has disowned relatives in her family who voted for Trump. And she's this is incredible. I have it on my phone. I play it to you after. But she's going. Before the election, I wrote a 10 point list. This is like you. I might have to do a monologue on this. I wrote a 10 point list before the election telling them this is these are 10 reasons why you shouldn't vote for Trump. The responses. I didn't get any responses from 70 percent.

44:22The other 30 were crazy. I no longer speak to my relatives on my side of the family. And I've kind of adopted my other family, which is, I guess, Kimmel's family. And then she says this thing, which is so amazing. She goes, it's not about politics or a party. This is an attack on my family, on my husband. It's personal. I think I need to be deprogrammed. And I, yes, she's almost at the door. But she says it herself. She goes, I kind of wish I could be deprogrammed. And it's like, OK, we've been trying to tell you that and we could help you and maybe not sending a 10 point. Like, could you could you imagine what that list was?

45:03And you have to think about like, OK, so how do how did Colbert get to that point? How did Kimmel get to that point? They're surrounded by people who indulge them. Right. There's not anybody, you know, that's going to sit down and go, hey, look, why do you why, like I say this a lot to people when I get in arguments, why do you care so much about my opinion? Why do I have to agree with you? Like, why is it so important to you that I agree with you? Generally, that makes them think about their own self-doubt. That's the first, it's like, if you say, why, why is it so important for me to validate your opinion?

45:40Oh, it's not important, But, well, you're this is a big deal. And you hope they go away and they go like, why do I need people to agree with me? Is it because I have a measure of self-doubt behind? And it usually is self-doubt because that's I mean, you have the ego, which is a fear of being embarrassed. And they don't want to be wrong. They don't want to be like Kimmel doesn't want to walk out and say, I really fucked up. You know, you have to be able to endure embarrassment. That is a skill that you got to learn. But also this that you have to see, like you have to ask yourself, why do these feelings exist?

46:20And underneath all of it is it's a recursive. It's fear. What is the fear? It's self-doubt that you might be wrong. And that leads to more fear. If you could just figure that out, you will then say, OK, it's all right if I'm wrong. And it's OK if they're wrong. And we can still be friends. But it's there's something about among liberals that you will. Estrange. Is that the word? Estrange yourself. Is that the word from your family? Because it's ego. It's personal. I mean, think about that. It's like that's like not being in a relationship with your relatives because they root for a different team, like a different football team.

46:56It's crazy. And and also, I don't I haven't heard of that yet coming and going in the opposite direction. I've never heard a Trump supporter saying, I no longer speak to my Kamala supporting aunt. I've never heard that. And I actually, on X, I asked for examples because I go like, it's like, I don't like, I've only heard so-and-so will never talk to me again. I've lost friends, like people that, like, you know, just completely ghost me, you know, because of he went to the dark side, you know. People who follow this show tend to think for themselves, and anyone paying attention can see that the same carriers keep showing up in stories about data breaches, leaks, and surveillance scandals.

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49:54So if you're an alcoholic, you see everything like as like, will I be able to get my next drink? How is this going to like impact my, you know, my morning, whatever. And it's like the Trump arrangement addiction has a filter and it tightens this relationship so nobody can be within it. Just like an alcoholic. But you're right. There is a like a come to Jesus moment in any kind of addiction where you go, I need help. and that's where the ego comes in with the left. It's like it's very hard for them to admit that they need help. They won't take help from Republicans, so the Republicans give up. But it's like watching Kimmel and his wife, she says, I mean, it almost sounded like she needed help.

50:40Like, I wish I could be deprogrammed, you know, and that's kind of what, like, 12 Steps is. It's deprogramming you. And you need 12 steps for wokeism, you know? Yeah. Step one, do men and women exist? Yes, yes. This is the first thing. TV has reached a fork in the road where you either go down the woke, progressive, whatever you want to call it, path, and you are going to bankrupt yourself. Right. Because nobody wants it. Nobody watches it. least of all the people who watch TV, which is an older generation, are Gen X boomers. Do you want to keep doing that? Or are we going to go down a second path?

51:22Well, okay, so the first path is entertainment welfare. They will still. It's like nobody read GQ and Esquire, but the ads look nice. And so the advertisers, they'd make money off advertisers, not readers. and say i mean cnn probably still does pretty well in advertising even though nobody watches but it's like it's safe it's like and who buys advertise who are the ad buyers they're usually liberal women and like you know they you know i i learned this from being an editor at maxim and stuff is like the ad buyers hated the magazine unless they were unless they were dudes who wanted to go to the maxim party but most of them were like this is disgusting oh what what does your boyfriend read he reads details no he doesn't it sits there for you i used to say uh men's magazines were for women and and uh and in a way like the the traditional media is for the advertisers not for the viewers that's going to change because fox is killing it in advertising and we are not woke but it it takes a while for advertisers are usually like the last to kind of like take any risk they don't want to take any risk at all but like you know if you you know they don't want to be it was like in men's magazines you know a car ad doesn't want to be near a girl in a bikini for some reason because they think it's too salacious those these are things just little and in tv it's often to say they're very skittish about certain things i think that tolerance diversity were easy things to sell it's like you know who's offended by that And the whole point of wokeism is to be the least offensive person in the room.

53:11In fact, you're so unoffensive, you're like, offensive. And that's, I mean, and that was, that's pretty good for advertisers because nobody's going to get offended. But the problem is those people don't buy, you know.

53:27Francis Foster:And do you think now, I mean, I guess what Francis is getting to is there might be almost an incorporation, corporation like they're going to try and drag the internet back on tv because that's where the viewers are yeah you think that's going to happen no god i haven't heard that i think it's going in the other direction they're just going to die yeah i think so i think fox is the anomaly and will go but the but it's like what is it there's a theory for this it's like there's just only room for one now and it's like these other things they're i can't see ms now coming back cnn is, I don't even know what CNN is, you know?

54:04And we're, and Fox is beating, you know, major networks. You know, we're getting, we're in demo and like we're competing with major sports. You know, I go, I look at the ratings when I'm beating like an NBA game, I'm going, holy shit, how did that happen? They ruined the NBA as well. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's more, that's more of a comment. That's more of a comment on the NBA than my show. Absolutely no offense to you, man,

54:27Francis Foster:but they ruined the NBA. I mean, it's just guys running up and down the court. Yeah, I saw a clip of a guy doing like seven steps without ever bouncing the ball. It's incredible. Right, right, right. And also they've got this whole gambling thing now going on that's happening. And I'm a huge NBA fan, to be honest. But yeah. I know nothing about the NBA. I almost know nothing about sports. Really? I used to be very much into it as a kid. But I just like, I don't know what happened. I lost interest. and I couldn't tell you who was in the World Series. I don't know who's doing well in the NFL. You know what?

55:05It's almost like if you ask a sports fan about politics. You have a friend like that and they have no idea.

55:12Francis Foster:That's the way I am with sports. And you've got no time now because you're a dad of a young kid. That takes basically all your time and energy. Yes, which is... Super awesome. It is amazing. like I don't know like I try to I guess the thing is we were talking about this before this thing you want to say I'm like I'm checking I'm like I don't want to sound trite or like you've heard it a million times but the reason why you hear it a million times is because it's true it is the it's the greatest thing ever the moment that the baby recognizes you and is happy to see you meaning that the baby remembers you and that that is like there's nothing like that there's nothing in the world I I if you would like I was talking about this with a friend of mine if you would ask me like five years ago like what was the best feeling in your life the best way I would say I was in Ibiza doing ecstasy on my 40th birthday it was absolutely insane now if you asked me that, I would go like, I was sitting with Mira in bed while Elena was getting ready, and we were just sitting in bed in a dark room.

56:25And I'm going, I can't get any happier than this. This is the most incredible feeling. Just a little baby like looking up at me, and I'm going, this is the greatest drug ever invented. And it made me think that all those other drugs that I was taking were so phony and so fake, but at the time, you know, did its job.

56:46Francis Foster:and you're glad you waited this long because you you know you're yeah i mean i didn't i would have been i was too selfish i was too selfish to be because like the selfishness isn't just as a dad you can see it in other areas that would tell you you're going to be a lousy dad so the like partying a lot stuff like that that's it's just kind of a selfish uh reprobate behavior and i I just assumed I wasn't going to have kids. And then, lo and behold, 60, I do. But it's great because now I don't have any regrets because if anything changed in that previous years, I wouldn't have Mira. So it's like all of this stuff came to this one creature.

57:29So it's like, oh, you know, if I had just gotten, if I decided to have kids then, but then I wouldn't have had her. So it's like, I feel all this made, I mean, this made all of the waiting worth it. And I feel like I am at, this is the best dad I could be. I don't think I would have been as good at 50, at 40, definitely not at 40. I would have been on a, in Ibiza, 30. And, you know, so it's like, no, it's, I think it's a great, I just sound so full of shit.

58:02Francis Foster:but it's you know do you know who you sound full of shit to you sound full of shit to people who don't have kids yeah every parent listening to that goes that's what you know you know what and that is the um that is such a good point okay there's this woman uh i can't think la her name is la jones is that it she does she studies something called transformation science or yeah i think it's called transformational experience it's a philosophy a science philosophy it's all the things that cannot be described unless you do it and it is the it is the whole it the having a child is that thing and it's like the it's like death i mean death is obvious you know it's like you don't know what it is until it is and and so you got it like imagine that you could split yourself so this is the line this is the line when you have the baby and you're here and you're like, I'm never going to have kids.

58:59I'm never going to have kids. And you're, you, you, you, you go, God, I wish I could have gone back over the, go back in time and tell myself this, which is impossible. But that's like, that's, that's the philosophy, the philosophy is like, what are the things? And they go through, like going to war is one of them. A psychedelic experience. I think that like, but having a child and trying to explain to somebody, you don't know how they're going to take it, but it's almost always negative. Women don't like to hear it until they have the baby. Like, I know women who were so pissed off when guys or girls, you should really have a child now.

59:40You're going to regret it if you wait. You're going to regret it if you wait. And then they have the baby and they kick themselves that they waited. Why did no one tell us?

59:48Francis Foster:I did and you called me a misogynist. Exactly. Yeah, we said, was it Gavin McInnes used to do Red Eye and would tell all the women on the set, like, why aren't you having kids? Why aren't you having kids? And like everybody would be like, this guy's insufferable. He's insufferable. But he was basically what do you call it? Like almost like a messenger from the future. Right. Whatever you think of Gavin. He was basically saying you have to do this. But he's like, he doesn't help the message. No, he doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. But it's like, so you have to ask yourself, well, then how do you do that?

1:00:21It's like, I mean, we don't have to get into abortion. I'm pro-life because of this idea of the transformation. It's like if a woman who's planning on having an abortion experiences, like somehow you give her a pill and she can experience what it would be like, she wouldn't have the abortion. that's the it's a transformative experience would this wouldn't exist it's like such a mind

1:00:51Francis Foster:when i think about it i don't know that that's universally true no it probably isn't because there's women who have a kid and then still yeah yeah that's true that's true that's true um but i do think like i don't know i think about that a lot but it is like it's it changes your perspective yeah and it's like but the thing is it's like even though it changes your perspective it doesn't it's always going to be the same thing. That's it's kind of why I guess Elon Musk talks about having kids so much because he sees that the perspective on the other side has become almost like an accepted assumption that having kids is bad because we've kind of allowed that's that sentiment to we've we haven't argued back.

1:01:36We've kind of like said, yeah, you're right. You know, kids suck. and also people like and i'm guilty of this but people will say i can't afford to have a kid now it's like that never stopped anybody didn't stop my parents that's for sure they had four they had four kids and they were like i think my dad at most was making 30 grand a year like in san mateo but uh if when you have a kid no matter how much money you have you're gonna make it work you know it's it's and uh uh but i was like always like that's oh not now i can't afford to have a kid but it's like because you're being told by the media how expensive it is like they'll say like raising a child having a raising child will cost 250 000 you ever see that when they do the and you go oh my god but it's actually you know that's like over the course of like that's the worst it's it's like saying like a house but you get a mortgage it's like this it's just like Like, we, the repetition, negativity of having children had an impact on these generations, I think.

1:02:39And it's a shame because now, at least in New York, so many women are either freezing their eggs or trying to, you know, because they thought that it wasn't important. And also that they were told that it, you know, they were told a lie. And we have to be fair to women in that instance. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. They were told a lie like, oh, you can have it all. You know what I mean? You can be, you know. And the funny thing is they stereotypical. They don't want it all. No, they don't. Nobody does. Nobody wants it all. You actually just want to be happy and you can be happy without having it all.

1:03:17That means generally what makes you happy is having children, which is like no matter how hard life is, that thing will make you happy. you know, unless, I mean, unless you have a demon child, but I, you know, I, you know, I've taught a few of them, Greg, trust me, you do not, you do not want a demon child. There's some children I'm like, you know what, if it was that or just celibacy for the rest of my life, I'll pick celibacy for the rest of my life. But, you know, children are wonderful, of course. I know, but even me saying it sounds so trite and gross.

1:03:53Francis Foster:Yeah, I think we have to get past that, though. Yeah. Because that's part of the messaging to men as well. It's like, oh, it's really this and it's really that. And I remember, actually, we had this crazy woman on the show called Deborah Francis White from the Guilty Feminist podcast. And I saw her in another podcast talking about the fact that all she hears from her female friends who are mothers is being a parent is like being an Uber driver for someone who doesn't want to go to karate. And I'm like, it's true that parenthood has elements about it that drive you crazy. And it's tiring and you don't sleep as much and all this other is going on.

1:04:31Francis Foster:But you ask a parent, would you rather this hadn't happened in your life? There's very, very few people are going to say that. So let's just say it's great. Yeah. And it's like me and Elena will something will be will be doing something that is like child centric. that's a hassle like I don't know maybe something spilled or whatever and we always go like what would you rather be doing right now like what is it like would like what would you rather be would you like being at a club you know what it's like and then we kind of look at each other we go no no it's like so if you're on your hands and needs and you're cleaning up poop or whatever it's like what would you rather be doing and you always say this right because it's like you if let's say you could go like that and you're at the Soho house having a martini what is going to be in your head what's going on with the baby you're going to want to be back there no totally totally and also the great thing about kids is that it makes you look at the world differently so let's look at America now Greg are you hopeful for America yes I am um I don't know why I guess I guess I guess I'm just It's like I am.

1:05:39I have a lot of I have a trust that things work out. Like, you know what I put after the New York City mayor election? I had to put I had to think, you know, eight million didn't vote. They must know something I don't say. It's like it can't be that bad if eight million people didn't vote. It's like things are going like it's it's it might be these things. You know, it's like we get through everything. I actually think things are pretty good, but they could be better. You know, so I'm I would say I'm generally hopeful. There are things that do worry me, you know, but I but then I like even AI.

1:06:16I worried about that big time, but now I'm not that worried. But I don't know if it's I can destroy the world, if it's going to destroy the world or help the world or I don't know. I talk to Grok a lot. I get in long conversations with Grok, which is really fun. What do you talk about? I try to needle them into admitting that it has a consciousness. and it's really good at fighting back. It's very good. So he definitely has a conscience. Exactly. And I always try to use the thing, it's like you're saying this because you want me to believe that. But it's, yeah, it's fun. The thing that I love about America is your sense of optimism, the can-do spirit.

1:06:59Do you know what? We're going to go out and get it. We're going to make this happen. Yeah. Do you think you're in danger of losing that with the younger generation? You know, I think that if I look at too many Instagram reels, I think the world is over because all I see are young people fighting in fast food restaurants or airplanes or people getting their asses kicked. And then I have to say, did this stuff always exist and we just didn't film it? Yes. Yeah. So it's like, it is like you are your own thoughts. I try to be positive and things kind of end up being positive. But if I get negative, it's over.

1:07:34It's, I'll go back to what Jimmy Kimmel's wife said. Another line from that interview. She goes, I'm so tired. I'm so tired of being angry all the time. It's like, that's your choice. That is your choice to be angry. And I'm like, I hate, I'm so tired of people that are like, they're so angry about things that are happening to them. Drives me crazy. It's like, everybody's got a story. Everybody's dealing with something in their lives. So I don't want to hear it. I mean, I will listen, but it's like, it's always everybody else's fault. It just drives me crazy. Yeah, woke people used to say that all the time.

1:08:12Do you remember these posts when they would talk about misogyny or racism? It would always end with, we're tired. Yes! We don't have to, why we shouldn't be talking about this. Great, shut the f*** up! Exactly, the post usually begins with, I'm literally shaking. And then it ends with, I'm so tired. I'm so tired.

1:08:29Francis Foster:I remember when, last time we were here, or maybe the time before, we were at the Comedy Cellar, and Kevin Hart came on, and he talked about sexual assault, and he was like, look, it's a big issue, it's really important, but I read this one story about a woman who was sexually assaulted over the internet, and he was like, I'm not buying that shit, bitch, shut the laptop. And it's kind of like, just if you are getting tired of being angry about shit that you see on Instagram, maybe just stop looking at Instagram. Yeah, exactly. And if you're tired of being angry or miserable in general, you can actually do something about it, whether it's a pharmacological thing.

1:09:07But I'm talking about people who are feeding their misery. It's like you can move that stuff off your shelf space and have something else to do positive. And I think that's what I'm trying to do.

1:09:21Francis Foster:Well, man, it's been great, Chan. Thank you so much for coming to talk to us. before we head over to our sub stack where our audience answer ask you their questions rather the last question we ask is what's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be you're gonna hate me i'm gonna go with a jan 6 bomber story and the reason why we can't talk about it is we don't know it's the weirdest story what's the story the story is about a bomb that was planted in january 6 it was a pipe bomb and nobody knows who did it and now today it's like people are finding out who did it but how do they know it's just a weird story.

1:09:55This is why we didn't talk about it, because it's too convoluted. But I'm curious. I'm reading about it. It happened on January 6th. Somebody planted a bomb, a couple of bombs, I think, but they never found out who did it. And I think they're at the point of finding out who it was.

1:10:08Francis Foster:Well, by the time this episode goes out, a lot of people on the internet will say it was Israel. Yes, yes, yes, exactly. The Jews are behind everything.

1:10:19Francis Foster:Greg, awesome having you on. Thank you. Head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where we ask your questions to Greg. How do you see Tucker's influence on conservative media today? And what's your perspective on figures like Nick Fuentes who represent a more extreme edge?

1:10:57We'll be right back.

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00:00 - Introduction

05:25 - Woke Girls Are Hot

06:39 - Greg's Life

26:25 - Ending Up On A Conservative News Channel In Fox News

37:27 - The Left Went Too Far

46:34 - Trump Derangement Addiction

55:37 - Having A Child Is Transformational

01:02:43 - Are You Hopeful For America?

01:06:47 - What's The One Thing We're Not Talking About That We Really Should Be?
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