Triggernometry Meets Hilarious Boyscast - Ryan Long & Danny Polishchuk

29 Apr 2026 · 1 h 16 min · 30 chapters

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In short

The episode is a wide-ranging conversation about “clip culture” in comedy and media, how social platforms and AI are changing journalism and conspiracy content, and politics/culture in Canada (including Pierre Poilievre and separatism talk). They also riff on TV’s credibility collapse during COVID, outrage/drama incentives, and current news/media tactics.

Guests

Ryan Long and Danny Polishchuk (Danny from the Boys Cast). Both are Canadian comedians/hosts. Danny says he’s made AI videos (including one involving Jake Tapper) and discusses his comedy/heckler stories.

Key claims

Podcasting and stand-up are increasingly shaped by short-form clips, leading to “fake conversations” designed for content. Serious broadcasters are “comedy-fying” their presentation (e.g., Tapper/Cooper “grungy office” sets). Conspiracy content has accelerated due to AI and platform policy shifts, making “anything true for a while” and worsening mental health. Canada’s politics are swinging between liberal bureaucracy and conservative “masculine” messaging; Poilievre is framed as the best conservative option in a decade.

Notable examples

Danny’s story of a heckler asking for his own clip; Stephen Colbert’s “The Vaccine” bit; Jake Tapper DM about an AI video; Netanyahu “dead” video claim; Toronto/Canada “castle doctrine” debates after a crossbow home invasion.

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Chapters

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Introducing Snacksy: A New Gaming App

1:11 to 2:39

Discussion about the Snacksy app that pays users to play games.

“I'm not a gamer, even though I look like one.”

Heckler Chronicles and Sex Robots

2:39 to 3:08

The hosts share stories about a heckler and touch on a humorous topic of sex robots.

“Like if you offer a girl Ozempic, she does not like that.”

Welcome Back: Ryan Long and Danny Polishchuk

3:08 to 3:38

The hosts greet guests Ryan Long and Danny Polishchuk, recalling past interactions.

“I don't think women are going to want robot boyfriends.”

The Impact of Clip Culture on Comedy

3:38 to 4:35

A discussion on how clip culture affects the nature of stand-up and podcasts.

“We learned a lot about your home country.”

Hecklers and Their Newfound Fame

4:35 to 6:04

Exploring how hecklers are now seeking attention and content for themselves.

“Well, I actually haven't done stand up since the pandemic.”

The Ongoing Evolution of Media

6:04 to 8:00

A conversation on how traditional media and now social media are evolving.

“I mean, look, you guys have done comedy for a while.”

The Fall of Late Night Shows

8:00 to 9:05

Discussing the decline of late-night shows and their struggle for relevance.

“But if you kind of look at it now, it's back to three minute clips.”

The Shift in Comedy and Journalism

9:05 to 14:00

Analyzing the merger of comedy, journalism, and the antics of public figures.

“I remember trying to get to the restroom.”

Critique of Modern Comedy and Credibility

14:00 to 20:38

Explore the decline in credibility among comedians and public figures.

“I used to respect him a lot as well, because he did that.”

Conspiracy Theories and Social Media

21:26 to 28:00

Discuss the rise of conspiracy theories in the age of social media.

“Like how suddenly people just became obsessed with that.”
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Canadian Politics and Leadership

28:00 to 29:10

Discussion on the current political landscape in Canada and the effectiveness of its leaders.

“Just kind of bleed them out a little bit.”

Potential Referendums in Canada

29:10 to 30:30

Exploration of the potential separatist movements in Alberta and Quebec.

“Like, like he's kind of, he wants to be the old school, like, no, I'm kind of beloved, but I'm just, you know, He's Canadian, right?”

National Identity and Patriotism

30:30 to 31:55

A look at how patriotism influences the desire for separation and identity in Canada.

“Like, they all feel they're like, we have zero representation.”

Masculinity and Political Discourse

31:55 to 33:15

Discussion on masculinity in political discourse and the cultural implications.

“In my personal life, I try to live like that.”

Cultural Influences Between America and Canada

33:15 to 34:35

Analysis of how cultural trends in America impact Canada and other nations.

“And I think that is a big part of it, is, like, the levels of, like, wealth that are the differences between these things create a situation where people are kind of catty bitches.”

Music and Cultural Transmission

34:35 to 35:55

Examination of how music trends are absorbed differently across cultures.

“Actually, it's so funny because that is exactly the issue on which I think that's totally happened.”

Canada's Changing Identity

35:55 to 39:46

Discussion on the shifts in Canada's national identity and public perception.

“Well, sometimes it comes from the other place into America.”

Political Sentiments in Canada

39:54 to 42:00

Concluding thoughts on Canadian politics and public sentiment regarding leadership.

“I still can't forgive you for electing Trudeau twice.”

Exploring Home Invasions and Castle Doctrine

42:00 to 44:20

Learn about the differences in home invasion laws between Canada and the US.

“but a lot of other things are falling apart.”

Medical Procedures and Government Decisions

44:20 to 46:30

Discuss the Canadian government's decision to fund complex surgeries abroad.

“But did you have to get to chopping dicks off?”

Controversial Medical Assistance in Canada

46:30 to 48:30

Examine the topic of medical assistance in dying and its implications in Canada.

“It's, you're like, if you found out, like, in a normal world, if you found out a surgeon was doing this, you're like...”

Bureaucracy and Opportunity in Canada

48:30 to 51:18

Understand the challenges of bureaucracy and opportunity in the Canadian landscape.

“I think there was a guy who had seasonal affective disorder, which you're like, you just need to get through three months.”

Cultural Jokes and Identity

55:44 to 56:00

Discuss the cultural jokes faced by Canadians and their identity in comedy.

“One of the things, do you find this quite annoying?”

Cultural Differences in Humor

56:00 to 58:00

Exploration of British and Canadian humor and cultural pride.

“and I say, I'm from London, they're like, oh, you're gay, you know?”

Masculine Spirit and Decision Making

58:00 to 1:00:00

Discussing the masculine spirit in decision-making and its implications.

“nationalist or whatever, and those are the extremes.”

AI's Impact on Jobs and Productivity

1:00:00 to 1:03:00

Debate on AI's influence on the workforce and productivity gains.

“So much things are that where you're just like, wait, you can just do this and build it.”

Debating the Future of AI

1:08:35 to 1:10:01

Discussion on AI advancements, job displacement, and future implications.

“Do you know of all the ways I saw this episode going, a debate on AI at the end was not going to be...”

The Future of Business in a Changing Economy

1:10:01 to 1:12:07

Discusses how technology impacts small businesses and the evolving job landscape.

“I'm actually, I think the third world is going to get hurt very badly first.”

The Debate on Sex Robots

1:12:07 to 1:14:16

Explores differing opinions on the societal impact of sex robots and their potential benefits.

“Fellas, before we head over and ask you questions from our supporters, we actually end on a serious question, as you know.”

Concerns About Population Decline

1:14:16 to 1:15:20

Discusses the implications of sex robots on population trends and social behavior.

“He says, too many with vaginas, not enough with dicks.”
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2:42Which you'd think. They really don't like it if you inject them in their sleep. That's where they go. I was at a New York comedy club, and a guy was heckling. And then the guy was waiting at the bar after the show. And he's just like, um, did you film your set? The guy's like, no, I didn't film it. And then I realized that the heckler wanted his own clip.

3:05Francis Foster:What's the one thing we're not talking about that we should be? Sex robots.

3:09Konstantin Kisin:I'm so agreeing with you. They're better than women. You just agreed. Well, they have an off button. I don't think women are going to want robot boyfriends. I don't think the robot would know how to lie to the woman the perfect man. Your co-worker sounds like the reasonable one.

3:29Francis Foster:Ryan, Danny from the Boys Cast, welcome back. Hello. Back-ish. I mean, you guys had us on. We've had you on before. Yes, this is my first time. Francis did our show with Ari. Yeah. That was exciting. We learned a lot about your home country.

3:43Konstantin Kisin:Yeah. Which home country?

3:46Francis Foster:Your original. Well, he pretends to Venezuela now. Oh, is that?

3:49Konstantin Kisin:Oh, look at that. Kind of in the shirt. Yeah, yeah. Take that diversity box. Except for the orange stripe.

3:54Francis Foster:Yeah. Now that the dictator's been removed, he's angling for a position. Hey, do you think that clips made podcasting less fun? Yeah. Yeah. Because now a lot of it is like people having a fake conversation. Yeah. In order to generate a clip. Yeah. If you think of like you guys both do stand up, if you if you think of stand up is like if you had someone there for an hour and then around the 40 minute mark, a whole table walked in, you'd kind of be like, OK, I got to shift in and catch them up. That's all of podcasting is someone you're talking to someone and then someone new walks in. Right. And everyone's starting watching where they just walked in.

4:32So you always are building rapport over and over and over again.

4:35Francis Foster:Well, I actually haven't done stand up since the pandemic. So you understand. Yeah, but what I was going to ask is, do you think the clip culture is also changing stand-up, where everyone's now just recording an hour, but actually they're trying to get three clips or whatever? I mean, it's all the crowd work stuff, too. I've been in shows where the host sets up a camera, right? And then they do crowd work. And, you know, it's just like the standard, like, what do you do? And, you know, asks everybody. And then the next comedian is setting up their camera. They go up and they're like, what do you do?

5:05And they're like, I answered the last guy. It's like, is this what comedy is? Just asking us what we do? Danny had the funniest story where there was an audience member that asked for his clip. Oh, this is the, literally, this is where I thought, I'm like, comedy has changed. Is I was at a New York comedy club and a guy was heckling a comedian and, you know, standard stuff at this point. And then the guy was waiting at the bar after the show and the comedian comes out and he's like, hey, you know, just this funny stuff. And he's just like, do you, did you film your set? The guy's like, no, I didn't film it.

5:38And then I realized that the heckler wanted his own clip. He wanted a clip of him heckling. Right. Yeah, like he was trying to get some content for himself

5:48Francis Foster:and he was hoping, like he wanted his own. Crazy. That's the thing. It's like when news media, 24-hour news came along and changed everything. Then social media came along and changed everything. And now this is like next level shit. This is really next level, like for hecklers wanting their own portfolio. The heckler page.

6:05Konstantin Kisin:Yeah. Yeah, they have their own Instagram. Yeah, I'm the heckler guy. I mean, look, you guys have done comedy for a while. It used to be the thing where someone would get drunk, they would heckle, they would get kicked out, and they would be waiting outside, and they're like, I'm just helping the show. Remember that? That would always be what they would say. They would say, I'm just helping, and would always say, no, you're not. And then comedy switched, all these people got super famous, and they're like, yeah, they kind of are helping now. Like, it actually came, the prophecy came true, where they're finally like, no, I am helping.

6:34Which is a nightmare. Nightmare.

6:35Konstantin Kisin:Oh, well, totally. It totally is. I remember, like, I always compared hecklers to, you know when you go and watch a soccer game in a park and there's just people playing? You know, like Sunday League is what we call it. I don't know. You probably have the version with football, whatever else. And then the dog runs on the pitch. And the dog is having a fucking great time. And he's thinking he's helping, he's taking part in the game. And that's kind of like a heckler. Like, you're just a dog running on the pitch. Yeah, the equivalent in Central Park would be if you're playing softball and then someone is just dragging a cooler through the infield in the middle of a game.

7:09And you're like, hey, you might get hit. And they just don't care.

7:11Francis Foster:And now they're doing it to film themselves. Film themselves. By the way, I just realized this is like a commercial for ZenPic. This is like a ZenPic side, natural side. Calling him fat? Yeah, he's calling me fat. This country makes you fat. You, maybe not you, but... Starved myself to death. Yeah, right. Like, it's fucking impossible to stay healthy in America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard, yeah. Especially with certain states down south. And when you give people help, like if you offer a girl Ozempic, she does not like that. Which you'd think. They really don't like it if you inject them in their sleep.

7:45That's where they go. It's a real line across. Spending the money. More expensive than flowers. Well, you mentioned that there was the traditional media and then it went to podcasting and the non-traditional media. But if you kind of look at it now, it's back to three minute clips. It's back to all of the guys from news media came over to the like, if you think of like Tucker Carlson, all those people like that are huge right now, they're from that. Right. So everyone came over and all the biggest people are here because everyone always says everything's just like unpackaging and then packaging again.

8:22But it kind of did happen where all of the biggest people are now the biggest people in untraditional media using the same tactics. And it's basically gone back to that. Yeah, it's worse than that because CNN now, I don't know if you saw Jake Tapper, Anderson Cooper. Jake Tapper last night was doing his show from his office. Right. So now he shows from his office and he looks like it's the same with Anderson Cooper. I've seen this.

8:43Francis Foster:They're basically taking their multi-million dollar TV sets and trying to turn them into these grungy podcasts. Yeah, so now Jake will look hip. And he's just like, I'm just trying something and it's just him in his dingy corner office and that's where his multi-million dollar show. and they have like nice studios. Like honestly, if we could have a nice studio like that, we would probably go that way.

9:05Konstantin Kisin:We've been to your studio, boys. Our studio just has zins everywhere.

9:10Francis Foster:I remember trying to get to the restroom. I had to step over like three suitcases. It's a multi-purpose studio. They're going for the, you know, when you like the old sportscaster look. Sure. Where it's the guy that has all the figurines and stuff. Like Tapper is doing that. But it's just funny that he has... He has a beat with Tapper, by the way. What's your beat with Tapper?

9:30Konstantin Kisin:By the way, Danny, does Jake Tapper know that he's in a beef? Yeah, I have his phone number. I can call him right now. I made, because I make these AI videos, and I made an AI video of Jake Tapper. It was, remember when the Hezbollah with the pagers? Yeah. So I made this AI CNN news clip where I'm like the journalist in Tel Aviv, basically, and I said that there was goats exploding and that there were exploding goats, and that was like the next phase of the, because, you know, fuck goats. And then, and anyways, it went like super, like I got like a Snopes fact check on it and all this stuff. The fact check is so.

10:04And so then I get an email. I was in Vegas in Skank Fest and I wake up to leave and I have a DM from Jake Tapper. And he's like, Danny, I need to talk to you. Take my name out of your mouth. I'm like, oh no, he's going to be so mad. But then he wanted me to, I made him an AI video of himself for his show about the dangers of AI. I kind of basically made him a video about, and then he had like Amy Klobuchar coming on about how we need to ban all this stuff. When the script changed, there was a script that said, it said like, you know, this AI was not made by me. It was made by brilliant comedian Danny Polshak.

10:38And then they messaged them and they go, hey, could you make one change? And they removed brilliant. Yeah, the producer, Jake Tapper was like, this is what I want you to say for me. And then the producer, I was in a group chat with the producer and the producer says, can we just get one quick change? Can you just remove the word brilliant? I go, it wasn't even my idea. Jake asked for that.

10:59Francis Foster:The funny thing is it's become like the merger of serious journalism and comedy and influences, right? And so now, and then like every now and again you open your phone, I don't know if you've heard this like a while back, and someone like two major journalists in America calling saying like, he's got a micropenis. Like, what happened? I mean, that's the Iran news right now. This guy's gay. That's the level of analysis we want. Can't get it up.

11:25Konstantin Kisin:But you know what it feels like? is because she called him Mark Levin. Megyn Kelly called Mark Levin Micro Penis Mark, right? And he's just like, it felt kind of like, because that's such a Trumpian comment. You know when you see a comedian try and do another comedian's style? And you're like, bro, come on. You're just ripping off another comic here. It really felt like that with her. Like she was Micro Penis Mark. She would never have done that. You guys didn't see this, did you? No, I've seen the Mark Levin. Oh yeah, I've seen the Mark. What did Mark Levin say? Other than just he supports the war?

11:56Francis Foster:The thing, Mark Levin is, with all respect, I'm one of these people who is, like, pro-Israel, but he's so rude and obnoxious about it. I'm like, dude, fucking, you're making anti-Semitic people right now with this shit. Like, he's actively generating them. Sure. So he keeps going after everybody, and then everybody goes after him, and everybody fucking hates each other. But I'm just like, the level of, like, childhood shit that is going on among serious people now. Sure, one serious people. Well, right. And my point is, it's like kind of the Andrew Tate-ification of everything. And Trump is kind of responsible for it as well.

12:33There's a lot of that now. I mean, that is debates now, period. Like the last debate is like, this guy's frigging old. I mean, they have the analytics. They probably, Megyn Kelly looks at it and she sees it go, I call him micropenis and there's a bit of a spike right here. Are you saying that you want to vote for a bitch?

12:51Francis Foster:That literally will be the debate at the next election.

12:54Konstantin Kisin:No, but going back to TV, you know when the moment for me, like these TV shows, they were kind of exposed for what they are the late night, was during COVID. Do you remember that? Where there was no audience, and then they were doing it like any other person in their bedroom, and you're like, oh, you're not funny. Yeah, without the bells and whistles, this is not great. Yeah, without the laugh button thing. Yeah. Please laugh. And you kind of think, like, once that's happened, once you've literally seen it as without the stuff and all the belts, they can't really go back, can they? Seeing the girl in the morning without the makeup on.

13:29I mean, it was... Yeah, it was already... Coming out of the pool. It was kind of already on its way out, it seemed, just based on the... Actors, too. When you see an actor, there'll be actors that do stuff with, like, influencers, and they're acting like just like a phone video, and you're just like, oh, he's not good at acting. He had explosions behind him. I can do that.

13:48Konstantin Kisin:Yeah, and it's kind of like we all realize that collectively. And then, you know, they fully jump the shark. I mean, who can forget Stephen Colbert's The Vaccine. Vaccina, brought to you by Pfizer.

13:58Francis Foster:Dancing around. Oh, my God. I used to respect him a lot as well, because he did that. Like, I've always been... He's in my top three. Satirical, political stuff. I mean, Strangers with Candy, if you ever saw that show, was incredible. With Amy Sedaris. Oh, my God. It's one of the funniest shows I've ever seen. I remember him doing the White House Correspondents Dinner and talking about George Bush to his face. Did you ever see that? No. Oh, yeah, yeah, I did see that. Yeah, yeah. Which was really brave and, like, cutting edge and hardcore. And then, fast forward however many years, you're dancing around as the vaccine.

14:29Like, that is a fall. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Cold Bear, to me, is the quintessential one of, when I think of, like, that stinks. Yeah. But, yeah.

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14:38Konstantin Kisin:But I just kind of think, like, who came up with that idea? And why is he okay with it? The worst part about it is it was a team of 30 writers. Like, you watch that show and you're like, yeah, this probably has a couple people. There's like 30 people who make full-time salaries writing for that show. And they passed that? Yeah. I mean, maybe it was his idea, or maybe, you know, I don't know. I'm sure he has final say on this stuff, but I'm sure he was, you know, it was deep in the fog of COVID. I think fucking John Pfizer showed up to his office and said, this is what's happening. There's a huge bag of money on the table.

15:11Francis Foster:You know, it must be hard to stay at the top for a long time. Like, the one person I would say that's managed is Bill Maher. To stay, yeah, yeah. To stay cool, to not fall off the deep end in either direction. Yeah, I mean, he got a lot of... Cool guy Bill Maher. I think he is cool. I mean, he got a lot of flack when he, you know, was not towing the liberal kind of line. When he was just like, hey, some of this stuff is a little nuts. And I mean, he lost, I think, a lot of viewers from it. I think he did.

15:36Konstantin Kisin:I mean, he was one of the first people who, you know, he brought people on to talk about the gender debate. Before that, kind of, it was sort of taboo. And then when he went over and was like, yeah, maybe if you have a dick, you can't be a girl. And everyone had a meltdown about it. He was pretty much the first liberal, certainly the first liberal TV show host to push back against all of this. That was the original who was like the offensive, edgy show. and then kind of in the 2016 era we're like, well, we don't want you to actually do that. And that's kind of why. I mean, they were right. It was bad for business.

16:11Right. Yeah, because if you watch even, like, if you'll see clips of, like, Late Night Now, they'll have, like, the South Park guys on and kind of be like, I hear you guys got some complaints. Like, yeah, screw them. We don't care about complaints. And you're just like, it's weird to still kind of take that where you're just like, but you do care and you don't like that.

16:29Francis Foster:No. Yeah. And now also it's gone the other way in a lot of new stuff where like people are now going so far across the line just so they can say they got a bunch of complaints or just they can say they got canceled or whatever. A lot of that is now happening because people have worked out that that's like a mechanism to achieve success. I think everything is just the National Enquirer now. I think that's just everything is just some version of it. Do you guys have that in the UK? Yeah, we know what the National Enquirer is. It's like aliens abducted my mom and they sell it at the checkout, right, of like the grocery store.

17:00And that's just kind of everything, some version of that. Yeah.

17:03Konstantin Kisin:That makes complete sense because, like we said before, you look at some broadcasters and you go like, I used to respect you. But how can I respect you when you do literally all of this stuff? And then you come out and you go, you know what? Here's my opinion on Iran. And you're like, you can't do that. Yeah. You can't, for instance, dance with a vaccine and then come out and then be like, hey, I'm the truth teller. It doesn't work. Sure. Well, yeah, the currency that was credibility. Well, you can. And you still get to make$25 million a year. But how long can that last? Well, I think he has about a month.

17:40I think it's - And because things move so fast, everything's coming on. Like, I used to say with even like, you might say activism or conspiracy stuff, Like, I have tons of friends that are into conspiracy stuff. And, yeah, of course. Like, you know, whatever. Dudes are just into that stuff, right? And you have a buddy, the super into aliens, or whatever it is, right? Old school conspiracy. Or new conspiracies. The Jews. The Jews.

18:02Francis Foster:But I go, I mean, Danny, you look tired. You've been busy running the world, mate. You know what I'm saying? I've been counting Jews. It's tiring work. I get that a lot. This guy's like, this guy hasn't been up all night just counting Jews.

18:17Konstantin Kisin:Maybe you're just worried about them. I mean, I always say the funniest thing with the Jew counting stuff, because obviously people who don't like Jews count Jews, but Jews also count Jews. Like my dad, you know, I said this, he sent me this YouTube video on WhatsApp, and the video was literally, here are all the richest Jews in the world. It was a YouTube video. I'm like, what is the source of this video? Like, I didn't know if it was a good thing or a bad thing. Your dad's watching Nick for answers, right? I was like, we are doing pretty good. I was like, where are you going with this? Like, what's the source of this, you know?

18:52And it was just some random channel that was just like making whatever weird, just like, you know, slop kind of content. And then I go to, and it was so funny. That channel had maybe 2 ,000 subscribers. Every one of their videos was like 400 views. And then this video was like 700 ,000. And I'm like, of course.

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21:34There was early internet. That was... We used to say that most people that got kicked off the internet, it was from getting into race IQ or Jew stuff. Yeah. So those were like the things that... Yeah, those are the forbiddens. So then once it became allowed, it was like the floodgates, right? Yeah, the floodgates. I mean, my... I think it changed a little bit, But my Instagram, like, you know, reels, you know, recommended reels at one point a few months ago was basically like Gab. Really? Four years ago. Yeah. You know, or Facebook. Like, you go on there now. I mean, it's crazy. Like, it is somewhat shocking because they were the hardcore censors three years ago.

22:12And then now they've completely pivoted to, like, anything goes. Well, it used to be edgy. Like, if you go to a normal comedy club, you'll see a comedian, like, just railing on Zionist. Oh, yeah, yeah. that would have been like an edgy thing. Oh, very edgy. But I said conspiracy is, I want it to be brought to me when it's at the like nine level. Like you've done, I feel like people bring undercooked stuff to you now. Do you know what I mean? Like your buddy will come and he'll be like, oh, you don't check out this thing. And you're like, I don't know. You don't really have that coherent of a thing yet.

22:39And he'll be like, okay, believe what you want. And you're like, no, you spend the time. Come back to me when this is at a nine. Yeah. I want fully cooked. Yeah. People are getting fully cooked. Like the Netanyahu thing, I was saying it yesterday, but the Netanyahu is dead stuff right now is insane. And honestly, part of it is AI, because obviously the AI stuff is people don't know what's real, which people who are prone to conspiracies to now say, I don't know what's real or what's not anymore is probably not good for their mental health. Like nothing is real anymore.

23:13Francis Foster:Yeah, dude, it's scary, man. Like you can make anything true for a while and people will believe it. And this is like the beginning now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, 20 years from now, there are still going to be people who are like, yeah, Netanyahu died March 8th, 2026. Died. And the original video, if you've seen the original video that people source, was this Indian reporter where he goes, yeah, they hit this building in, I think it was Tel Aviv or something. And then at the 23 second mark, he's like, yeah, there's Netanyahu right there. He's walking around inspecting the thing. And that's the video that people are saying proves that Netanyahu's dead.

23:44He's in the video. Dude, it's not about something. I'll concede that.

23:50Francis Foster:I have a member of my family who shall remain unnamed who believes that Hitler is alive. I mean, just based on... And he's the co-host of the voice cast. And lives in Atlantis underneath the ocean. Oh. And this is someone I know. How old would Hitler be? Yeah, see, I would need more. I need you to bring me a little more than just that. I feel like that is lacking in evidential basis, you know? How old would he be at this point? Well, Hitler... 136. 136. I don't know you're quibbling with this. He thinks he lives on Atlantis. I feel like that's the more dubious claim. People have lived to 136. But those are fun people.

24:27Like if you have a friend that's super into that stuff, that is a fun guy. That is a fun guy because there's no, like there's conspiracies that have no stakes, you know? Like flat earth, like people are like, the earth is flat and you're like, there's no stakes here. Like it doesn't matter if someone believes the earth is flat. And so those are, yeah, those are the most fun. I find them fun with stakes. Yeah, yeah. It's fun with stakes, but the ones that are no stakes, you're like, these are the most fantastical, crazy ones that I'm more prone to enjoying. You like... I'll have a little bit of flatter.

24:59Francis Foster:But again, this is to make it depressing again for a bit. This is where I kind of worry about the merger of this stuff with news because that's also happening, right? And so like somebody, they might have been a serious broadcaster at one point and now this is what they're doing. And you kind of go, well, it's just a different thing. Like if someone just does videos about conspiracies, everyone goes, well, I don't take this seriously. But when someone pretends to have a serious claim that they're making about what the truth is and they've been in a serious position, right? I'll tell you where I'm a little less of a worried than you.

25:34And I think that, to be honest, I think that I felt this stuff about the like progressive stuff or right now they just had the Manosphere documentary come out. Right. People are kind of up in arms about it, right? And you're just like, that's been over for three years.

25:47Francis Foster:Who's up in arms about it? Because we watch the doc. I mean, every press, everything. You know, the same as adolescence when that came out in Britain. Oh, okay. So men are bad. This is evidence of bad. Yeah, can you believe these guys? Oh, right, right, right. So it talks in masculinity about it. It's kind of over. So, you know, things, especially America, which is the center of this, things really come and go quick. Like, people do get pretty bored of stuff pretty quick. so I think when it's kind of like oh this thing is really bad like I'm like it's the fact that everyone's saying that it's already a top like if you think of it as like a stock like people are already bored of it right right right so that's where I I just get less I don't know that's so true man your president nearly gets assassinated you talk about it for a week I mean we're not even talking about the epstein files anymore it's just a new thing yeah let's not talk about it so yeah that's why I don't get like stressed out it's kind of funny if you think of it like that way.

26:40But you can kind of get stressed out about everything if you're kind of neurotic.

26:43Francis Foster:So your point is people just like, they move from one to the next. And for a reason, like a new thing is exciting. Everyone wrings every last dollar out of it. And then it's kind of like, all right, this isn't working as good anymore. And then it's onto the next thing.

27:00Konstantin Kisin:It's also partly because of outrage culture. Like if you think of what all those guys do, like Manosphere guys and people before them is they built it and ramped it and ramped it with the outrage and saying the most horrendous shit. And you can't like top it? No. Yeah, you have to keep going. Yeah, but you can't top it. Like Nick Fuentes, after you say Hitler's pretty cool and you like Stalin, which is again, it's just weird. You can't really like both. We just have to start fighting with the other people in the space. Yeah, then you become drama. Drama is... And drama, honestly, you know, back to the Mark Levin drama.

27:33Everybody loves drama, right? And it can go, it's like a perpetual motion machine. Like, you can just keep going almost indefinitely as long as two sides are willing to.

27:42Francis Foster:Yeah, well, three more million Epstein files haven't been released, Danny. I know, I know. We're getting them. I was joking, though. We're going to get them if Iran goes sideways. If things go really bad, because that's how... Over here, over here, over here. Peter files. Everybody's like, why are you holding them back? And they're like, we just need them for a rainy day. Mr. Rogers is on the... Let's release a few more emails. Sure. Just kind of bleed them out a little bit.

28:09Konstantin Kisin:Well, your boys are both from Canada. Yeah. We've had a couple of guests talking about Canada. Yeah. Poliev. Yeah.

28:15Francis Foster:Yeah. What do you think about Poliev? He's fine. Yeah. That's the reaction of politicians. I'll tell you what I can do. This isn't so specifically Canada. It kind of is a Britain thing. But I was kind of... It feels like there's two models that you get the extreme of, which is kind of like the sort of like globalist, like liberal order, which is very much, we need a ton of committees. We need a ton of bureaucracy. We need to, you know, make sure everything's safe. And then the other side, which is like, you get the most masculine, like fucking right. Like, you know what I mean? And those are sort of the two options that you can choose between right now.

28:53I mean, he's the best, like, he's the best option that the conservatives have put forth in a decade. Right. Because they always just had some stodgy old guy, zero personality, like none, like none whatsoever. And they would just get smoked every time to Trudeau. Yeah. And everybody just loved, you know, they were... There is something too when you talk about maybe in this day, like even when we were talking about before where Paul just had gotten crazy, it might be not possible for a conservative to win without like accepting that I'm going to be the villain. Like, like he's kind of, he wants to be the old school, like, no, I'm kind of beloved, but I'm just, you know, He's Canadian, right?

29:31He's trying to be nice. He's trying to be nice. But you're like, maybe that's done.

29:35Francis Foster:Yeah, we tried to get him to slag off half your country, but he refused to do it. Well, you know, he wants to be prime minister. We were like, isn't the problem with your country is half the population loves big taxes and is uber woke? And he was like, no, no, no, that's not true. Yeah. But a lot of Canadians have told us that it is. Yeah, what did he say the problem is? I mean, there's probably going to be a referendum in Canada this year. On what? You want to leave the EU as well? Likely, I think one or possibly both of Alberta and Quebec will have a referendum to separate from Canada. Really?

30:06Yeah. Do they want to join America? They want to become sovereign nations. I know you're always like, Ryan's always like with the Quebec thing at least. Quebec, I think, is less likely. However, I believe that their separatist party is leading big time. And they tried in 95. they it was i think it was 50.2 percent to like 49.8 percent to remain and it's just 50 percent plus one and they leave so it was close in 95 they've always wanted to be you know because they have their own culture but alberta is the one i'm more concerned about because they're kind of the economic uh you know cash cow of the country right well the problem is is a better like you said they kind of pay for everything yeah i mean the foot and it's fine and they're not represented.

30:50Like, they all feel they're like, we have zero representation. Yeah, you talk to Brita boys. But they're so, it's bizarre because they're so patriotic. They're so, they're the most patriotic Canadians we know, probably. And that's why they want to leave. Yes, it's a bizarre thing, but it's very likely.

31:04Francis Foster:Well, it's kind of like that in the UK. We don't have the referendum side of it, but what, actually, a lot of the patriotic people who love Britain are leaving because they don't like the direction of travel. Right. You know, it's like, so it kind of makes sense to me in that way. Yeah. But Polio, it's interesting your point about like masculinity stuff, because before he came on, we were talking about UFC and he's like into fight, you know, combat stuff. But he's very Canadian about it. He's quite likeable. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. He wouldn't, he has class. He wouldn't talk, you know, you said he wouldn't talk smack about the prime minister on foreign soil.

31:37Like, yeah, it's kind of like an old school. Very old school. It's hockey class. Yeah. You know, you go, you finish the game and you go, you know, he played a good game. We did our best out there. Yeah, you fight a guy and then you, like, you... Shake his hand after. Yeah, you both eat the crap out of each other and then you're having a beer after the game. I like that.

31:51Francis Foster:Yeah, that's what I grew up with. I wish more society went back to that. Yeah. Yeah, and my point is I agree with you. But it doesn't get clicks. Feels like it's over. Feels like that's been a wrap on that. Yeah, we've done that, tried that. Something happened in 2015. In my personal life, I try to live like that.

32:10Konstantin Kisin:Imagine if you saw a good party tomorrow go on Twitter and call Mark Carney micro penis Mark. And he just started to do all of that. I mean, Maxon Bernier, who's like the far right guy, he's pretty out there.

32:24Francis Foster:Yeah. What is it, really? He's pretty out there. He's like the far right guy in Canada. He's a French guy. He's just like, you're all cucks. Yeah, he's... He says a mile. He's probably like the... Vax bitch. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Canadian equivalent probably like Nigel Farage. Nigel Farage doesn't call... I wouldn't say he's... Well, maybe it's the French in him. See, that's the thing about Britain, I think maybe Canada, from what you guys are saying, is we still have the instinct to be a little bit more classy with it. Yeah. So Farage doesn't actually do this personal bullshit.

32:58Francis Foster:Even Farage. Even the populists don't tend to go for it as much, which I like. So I think it's an American thing. Part of it is the money. Like, everyone's a little nicer when the pot of money is smaller. Yeah. You know, like, take a family that everyone's nice to each other, throw a$10 trillion inheritance in there and watch everyone start to get pretty catty pretty quick. Right. And I think that is a big part of it, is, like, the levels of, like, wealth that are the differences between these things create a situation where people are kind of catty bitches. That's a really good point.

33:32Konstantin Kisin:What's going on with Canada, really? Well, we lost all the hockey, so not good. Things are not going well. I mean, because we always thought that you were the kind of, you were Americans, but you had humility, you were sane. You were the American. Canadians overperform in America. Yeah. Yeah, that would make sense. Overrepresented in stand-up, in comedy, for sure. Right. But what happened? When did you all lose your minds? Why did you elect Trudeau? I have a theory that, and Britain's a little like this, but Canada more. But America does things. And then, like I said, it's three years. And then kind of like if you think of a brother that has, he becomes like a goth and all this crazy stuff.

34:15And then he goes off to college and the younger brother does it more. And then he comes back from college and he's like dressed like a normal now. And he was like, I thought we were goths. He's like, you're still doing that? Like I'm a crypto guy. And America is a little bit like that, where it kind of says the craziest stuff. It sort of does it. Everyone else actually does it. and then America moves on and they're like, you're still frigging cutting off your dicks?

34:37Francis Foster:Right. Actually, it's so funny because that is exactly the issue on which I think that's totally happened. America went way further than everybody and now it's gone totally in that other direction. Yeah, and everybody's just lagging behind. Yeah, so everyone kind of lags behind. I was thinking in terms of music, like, and especially you can talk about Canada, but you can also talk about like the parts like Quebec, for example. If you're in like a popular band in America, it might look like that and then you never hear about him again right that guy goes to like quebec and he's like as famous as he was at the time or that guy goes to amsterdam or some of these other places it just didn't go like that the same way right so you always hear about these one-hit wonders that are like very popular other cultures also do that yeah you know and you'll go and see you go quebec i know i can mention it but it's a it's a it's kind of has that quality where you'll go and see a guy that looks very much like a skateboarder from 1990, wearing the same brand, the same clothes, and you're just like, whereas in New York, that was so, you haven't seen that in 15 years.

35:39Konstantin Kisin:Yeah, sure. Yeah, it's such a good point, actually, because it all comes from here, all the shit. I remember... It's the cultural engine of the world. Yeah, and it's never...

35:49Francis Foster:Sometimes it's the good stuff. No, it's... Hold on. It's both. It's all the good stuff and all the shit stuff, and they come packaged together. Well, sometimes it comes from the other place into America. And then America, I always think, I think ska music is like such a funny, like Britain was big, you know, like Pumpkin Ska was like big, you know, the specials and all that Britain's stuff. And that was like a thing that was kind of there forever. It came to America within a year and a half. There was 10 ,000 bands doing it. They were all popular. There's no doubt you had 19 trumpet players wearing costumes and then you never heard about it ever again.

36:22And so they take other cultures sometimes and chew it up and spit it out a bit.

36:26Konstantin Kisin:Yeah, it's true. But go pushing back on what you say. Like, you say it's all the good... We don't get the positive attitude, the can-do spirit, the American... Like, you can do anything, man. We just get trans and, oh, I hate myself. And the TV shows. Yeah. Yeah, but like... Which is also trans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because... So I'm just hoping that Canada is going to come to its senses and going to become sane. Honestly, I thought the hockey thing was actually a good thing for Canada because that's such a huge part of our identity and the fact that we lost in men's, women's, and Paralympics to the U.S.

37:03And I honestly think that will be some kind of reset where people, not like a hard reset, but where people are like, oh, you know, things are not going in the right direction here. Do you meet a lot of people that are in real life from Toronto that are on board with the craziest stuff? It feels like it's just embedded in bureaucracy right now and that takes a while to weed out. Public opinion. I don't know anyone. I follow Toronto politics, and, you know, they have Olivia Chow. I don't know if she's the mayor. She's nuts. Like, they're trying to pass a resolution right now to not allow ICE at the World Cup.

37:35Or, yeah, ICE at the World Cup in Toronto. There's no ICE agents in Canada. But they just have to, you know, performatively say, we will not, because of what's going on, we will not allow ICE agents to be roaming the streets of Toronto. All right. That's like me saying, I'm making a lot of it when I go out. I'm not going to allow 10 girls to suck me off at once. It would have happened if I had not for this law. Right. But that's the kind of stuff they do. But I don't know. I mean, people like, you know, with the last election, Puglia was what, like almost 85 % at one point to win?

38:09Francis Foster:Yeah. And then Trump came along. Trump came along, but still lost. I mean, people like, they're just, I think if you look historically at the voting in Canada, it's something like two thirds go to the liberals. so you know it is a whereas here it's pretty 50 50 right like it seems like everybody gets their

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39:46Konstantin Kisin:Again, to get this offer, go to drinkag1.com slash trick or click the link in the description of this episode. Give it a go. But the thing is, I know what you mean. I still can't forgive you for electing Trudeau twice. Do you know what I mean? He had three times? Twice. No, three times. Three times. Yeah, he had three times because he had... Tell him. Yeah, yeah, he had... He had, I think he, because, you know, it's similar to your system in the UK where you don't have to serve out your whole term. You can just call an election if you think you're going to win. And so I think after like a two or three year period, he called another one.

40:24He got elected because Stephen Harper, who is the conservative, was in office for 10 years, did a great job and people were just tired. They just wanted something new.

40:34Francis Foster:But why did he get reelected after that? Because Canadians are idiots. I wish Pierre Polley had said that. That would get a lot more views. I mean, objectively, Canada is not in a good spot. Like, they just released, you know, happiness index. And when you were living in Canada, they always had, like, we're one of the happiest countries on Earth. We're one of the most prosperous countries on Earth. Now, I think they're, like, 70th or something. You know, like, by every metric, Canada is doing way worse than it was 10 years ago. Well, right, and this is the other thing about your point about America creating crazy shit and then moving on quickly.

41:11Francis Foster:America created this whole thing about net zero and obsession with green energy to the point where if you actually start to implement it the way these crazy people wanted, you start to ruin your economy. Except America never did that. They just had some crazy people, but they never actually ruined their economy. They kept fucking digging for oil, digging for gas. All of that keeps happening just fine. In fact, bringing more manufacturing here is wonderful. Whereas we in Europe are basically fucking shutting the lights off. And then they come back and they're like, all right, we got rid of all our nuclear.

41:42We got rid of all of this and all that. What did you guys do? And they're like, what? And they're like, you told me. I did. That was a paper.

41:48Konstantin Kisin:I wrote a paper. Yeah. And the Chinese guys in the back just fucking laughing at everybody. You're so retarded. Yeah. I also feel like America is kind of like, because it is so, it's like a bar that still has the most women, but a lot of other things are falling apart. but like the women's opportunity. So it's like, and other people are like, you have to go, this place is way better. It's like, has the best. Cleaner. Yeah, they make the best espresso martini. It's clean. And you're like, yeah, but the bitches are over here. And you go, that's really the only thing that matters is where's the opportunity to make more money.

42:25Like for most people, that's kind of why people want to come here. So all that other stuff is, while you have that, what else kind of really matters in terms of where people want to go? Sure. Yeah. But there's, there's some things that, You know, give me some hope with Canada. Like, I saw the other day some guy broke into someone's house because there was, like, this crazy epidemic in Toronto of people of home invasions and car thefts. What's a home invasion?

42:49Francis Foster:It's a burglary. Oh, it's a burglary, right. Look, they exaggerate. Plus, they have guns, so everything's a little more exaggerated. In the UK, it's like a burglary. No, no. You're like, home invasion? No, no, no, but they were, like, serious. So they had, this is the level of... They're invading! You know the United States, States Europe castle doctrine? where basically if someone is in your home, you can just kill them. Yeah. Like if someone who's not supposed to be in your home is in your home, you can just kill them. And it goes sideways. Like, you know, you hear things about someone goes to turn around their car in someone else's driveway.

43:20Pretty normal thing. I've done that. Literally gets gunned down. Literally in this country, you get gunned down for just using someone's driveway because you just need to turn around. Okay? Is that true? Yes. Yes, it's happened many times. Just like some old... There's literally, like, this country's full of just, like, old guys sitting on their porch with loaded guns, right? But so in Canada, this is in Ontario, some guy broke into somebody's house. I don't remember where exactly. It was northern Ontario. Breaks into his house three in the morning with a crossbow, okay? Breaks to rob him, and, you know...

43:57The assumption is this person wants to harm me, right? Fair?

44:00Francis Foster:Yeah. So the guy takes the crossbow from him, grabs a knife, stabs him up and then gets arrested for stabbing the guy too many times right which is like here is unheard of but then uh last week the reason we're not reacting is because in britain that's exactly what would happen yeah that same thing right yeah but so now they're actually trying to push like a castle doctrine kind of thing i don't know about all throughout ontario or canada but in ontario and uh a guy broke some people broke into someone's house in toronto like last week the guy shot them and the premiere is like great good stuff boys like let's uh they should totally shoot them and so they're coming around to some of this stuff but it's it had to get really bad for them to have some common sense about this and you just go why did you need to let it get

44:45Konstantin Kisin:this bad yeah do you never have that like yeah i kind of get you know that you were just like oh there's no such thing as gender and that's kind of cool and blah blah blah whatever you know you You may think it is. But did you have to get to chopping dicks off? Right. You know what I mean? I mean, you think it's that bad. In Canada, where we have, you know, socialized health care, there was a person who wanted both a penis and a vagina. There was no Canadian surgeon who could provide this service because they didn't have the know-how. So then there was this huge debate about whether the Canadian government would foot the bill to send them to Austin, Texas, to have the surgery.

45:23Konstantin Kisin:I really wouldn't think it could be done enough. You know what I mean? And they voted in favor of it. So the Canadian government was like, we will pay to send you to America to have a surgery so you could have both a penis and a vagina. And the only thing they said was, when you use it, you do have to say, pick your poison. That was written in the bill. Yeah, that was in the bill. But that is, I mean, I imagine similar crazy stuff's happening in the UK. I don't know if to that extent. No. What, they sent him to Thailand or something? Billy, can you look up...

45:56Francis Foster:Can you please look up if Britain has ever given anyone a penis and a vagina on the NHS? Or can you get the surgery in Britain? I feel like Thailand, they've been doing that for 20 years probably. And also look up, does it count as a threesome?

46:14Konstantin Kisin:But you've got to think...

46:15Francis Foster:That's a complex operation, man. Yeah. I mean, it's the... Remember, like, the first season of South Park with the doctor who gave everybody eight asses? Yeah, yeah. I think it was a brand based on, like, some Martin Brando movie or something. Like, it's that. It's a plastic surgeon getting high on his own supply. It's, you're like, if you found out, like, in a normal world, if you found out a surgeon was doing this, you're like...

46:37Konstantin Kisin:No, no, fuck you, man. That's how I know you're Canadian. You don't have a dream. That is a pinnacle for a plastic surgeon.

46:44Francis Foster:Maybe what's happened here is just a medical issue. They've basically run out of things to, like, pioneer, right? Because every surgeon wants to be the first surgeon to do this, separate the conjoined twins, pediatric conjoined twins, and maybe the level, like, the only place you can go from there is, like, penis on top of a vagina. What about this, though? I'll do you one better. What if you were the surgeon or the doctor that could fix their brains to not want that? That's transphobic. Yes, Billy, go on. Yes, the NHS provides gender-affirming technical surgeries, by bottom surgery to transgener patients, including phalloplasty to create a penis and vaginalplasty to create...

47:24Francis Foster:No, no, no, no, Billy, Billy, there's levels. Billy, there's levels to this game. You ever heard that? You ever heard Rozelle, the rapper, when he says he's going to do the beat in the chorus at the same time? No, we're talking penis on top of vagina. It's like a turduck. So you've got... Also looking at... Do you know what a turduck is? Yeah, it is. Yeah. So where they've got both. They've got both, yeah. Also, do that in incognito mode. You know, Billy is such a... Can I get hands for feet and feet for hands? Yeah. Billy is such a good boy from a good family. He can't imagine all these things.

47:57Francis Foster:Like, for him, this is way out of the realms of the possible... Well, this guy imagines it all the time. Yeah.

48:04Konstantin Kisin:But I believe that, though. Is that the most insane thing to happen in Canada? Is that the singular? That's up there. I mean, to have... I probably... I mean, obviously, the medical-assisted dying stuff, which obviously like I'm totally, you know, this is a pretty contentious issue in Canada. I'm totally fine if you have some terminal illness and you want to, you know, like my life is just miserable. But like now they're saying we're extending it to mental health. Like there was some guy who had, I think there was a guy who had seasonal affective disorder, which you're like, you just need to get through three months.

48:35If they did that in America, within a week, you would see just like dying billboards all of a sudden. Of course. Just all, you know, but they were like - Looking to die, call Wilma Tai. Well, yeah, like depression. They're like, we'll kill you for depression. Right. When I grew up, you had to do that yourself. If you go to Toronto, it is...

48:59Konstantin Kisin:This is another example of how this society's gone soft. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, I mean, that's... I mean, you know, I think... Take some fucking responsibility. I will say the thing with America, you know, they have so many guns here and they're like, we have so many gun deaths. And you're like, a lot of those are... People taking things into their own hands.

49:14Francis Foster:Isn't it true that you have more guns per person? You're just not that pilot. Well, there's a lot of guns. America or Canada? No, Canada. There's a lot of long guns for hunting. Right. You know, my friend in Toronto, he has tons of guns. He has an AR-15. But they're so strict with how you handle guns. If he wants to go hunting, he has to call the police station and say, I'm going hunting. I'm going to be driving from here to here. These are the roads I'm taking. So if you get pulled over, basically, you're not in trouble. If you were to get pulled over and you didn't basically tell them in advance, then you're in all sorts of problems.

49:54Konstantin Kisin:That's insane. Yeah, they're very strict with it. But Canada has that authoritarianism, doesn't it? Oh, yeah. Because when you hear people talk about it, it sounds like Britain, but even more mental, which I struggle to believe. Well, something, I will say, you know, a lot of people obviously hate Mark Carney. He was, he is funny because he ran as, you know, basically opposition to Trump, liberal guy. And then he came in and he kind of tacked a little to the center. You know, he, you know, all these bureaucrats, you know, you want to hear something crazy? Canada has 60 ,000 active military members.

50:29They have 90 ,000 members of the Canadian Revenue Agency, the IRS agents. More tax agents. They have, I believe, America has, I don't know, 100-something thousand? Canada has 90 ,000 for a population a tenth of the size. Wow. Yeah, like, it's a bureaucratic nightmare in the country. Like, you know, I don't know what the percentage is, but a huge percentage of people work for the government.

50:53Konstantin Kisin:I mean, you know the thing, and we can kind of empathize with each other about this, or sympathize, rather. We don't live there. I like Toronto. Yeah, I like Canada. I like Toronto. If it wasn't hard to make it, you know, kind of like do anything. If you're trying to do anything, especially in entertainment, but also other industries, if you're trying to build something huge, it's very difficult to do it in that country. But the actual city of Toronto. Yeah, it's great. I mean, I say all this stuff because I'm like, I want it to be better. I'm like, oh, I rest in this Toronto. Why is it better to build something here?

51:32I guess you'd separate the industries a little bit. But obviously there's like a brain drain and there's like, well, why is there a brain drain? Right. So a big part of it is that when you create kind of like a socialized version, like, you know, if we have socialized television, like you have BBC, all those sort of things, right? They're because they're not tied at all into the market. They can't move properly. Right. So it's very difficult. It's very difficult to like build in like a current environment. It's sort of like this thing that operates isolated. And imagine you were starting a company and then randomly a bunch of other companies, the government's going to subsidize them.

52:09So you just it's essentially the government deciding like you're doing a company and they go, we were doing red shirts. That's what we want to make. And you go, well, people don't want to buy those. And they go, oh, we don't we don't care. But if you want to make what we do want to buy. Also, we're going to subsidize your competitors so they can sell cheap. It just becomes difficult in a lot of industries. and then the opportunity's not there. But it's a great place for people to, for example, in stand-up, get great while no one's watching and then come here and kind of in the big leagues. But there's like 12, probably maybe 15 big clubs in the entire country.

52:40Yeah. Something like that. It's not particularly easy. I don't know why, in Britain, they have basically, when you look at the 500 top companies, for example, why do less of them come? Why don't a lot of them come from Britain, in your opinion?

52:56Francis Foster:Well, it's the same reason, plus all the other stuff we talked about, the energy, the cost, net zero. They make it very difficult to employ people, very difficult to fire people. So it's just what you're saying, inflexible, right? It's not adaptable very well. So a lot of companies are not listening. Also, taxes are ridiculously high. There's like a regulatory capture. Taxes are pretty high here. It's true, it's true. Taxes are pretty high here. I mean, I think I pay the same or more in taxes in New York City. than in Ontario minus free healthcare. Right, but think about this though. In terms of the overall country, if you want to run a manufacturing business, you wouldn't run it in New York.

53:36Francis Foster:You'd run it somewhere else, right? So there's more room for people to do different things based on what they want to do. Whereas it was just like during COVID. If you hated the COVID restrictions, you could go to Florida or Texas and you'd have less. We don't have that. We had one rule for everybody. Same in Canada. And you can't move anyway. There isn't, like, we can't just move to Belgium, not least because Belgium also have the same retarded rules. Like, you see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like... Because of post-Brexit, where you lost your mobility. Because you could before that, right?

54:06Francis Foster:No, no, but it's like Belgium has a different language, a different culture. Like, you're not going to do that. Within America, you can move around. Yeah, yeah. America has everything, literally. Every temperature you want, like, every culture you want. It's just... Has everything except one thing that we have in Europe. History. History. Yeah. We've got some history here. It's not deep European history, but... I've been making arguments in public for long enough to know that being right is rarely sufficient. You have to be clear, you have to be precise, and you have to understand how language actually works on an audience.

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55:44Konstantin Kisin:One of the things, do you find this quite annoying? Is like when you go into a comedy club or like there's a group of comedians or a group of people, particularly in America, and you say, I'm from Canada, what happens is you just get loads of Canadian jokes. It's like every time I walk into agreement and I say, I'm from London, they're like, oh, you're gay, you know? They're like, because English, Europeans are gay. Look at you sniggering away. That's the exact kind of joke you'd make. Is that because I'm from London? Oh, were you from London? Have you been stabbed yet? Do you know what I mean?

56:17Konstantin Kisin:And you just get all of these jokes. and after like the eighth or tenth time it gets fucking annoying you're feeling patriotic there yeah i actually get a little bit patriotic we don't have accents which is probably a huge difference yeah yeah yeah i i mean i get even you you're like you're canadian we kind of fly under the radar a bit unless unless we tell on ourselves i like toronto's a city like not that different from here like yeah to me i kind of i don't think that much about canada but toronto I'm like, that city's sick. Yeah, Toronto's great. Vancouver's amazing. Montreal's fun. See, this is why you're not British.

56:51Konstantin Kisin:We would never say that about our own cities, would we? London's great. We went to London a couple of years ago. I honestly forgot how amazing London was. You ever been a fan of that? There's some great things about London. Yeah, I love London. Yeah, well, that's my home. It's a cool city. A little dim. Yeah, but that's all of the UK.

57:09Francis Foster:You know, before we came here, we had, this is officially, 60 consecutive days when it rained. Yeah. You're like Vancouver. Like everyone's got, what did you call seasonal effectiveness? Seasonal effectiveness. No, it's just a British way of life, mate. Yeah. Yeah.

57:26Konstantin Kisin:Yeah, that's the thing that I love when I come here. It's like the American can-do spirit and attitude. It takes me about two weeks because I think they're being sarcastic to my face. Right. You know when you go, how's your day? Big difference, yeah. Yeah, and they go, awesome. You're like, oh, that's a bit fucking much. Chill out, mate. Chill out. You know what I mean? Like, you're going to tone it down a bit. But after a while, you kind of imbibe it.

57:49Francis Foster:You learn to love it. Yeah.

57:50Konstantin Kisin:And then you go back to the UK and everyone thinks you're a cunt.

57:53Francis Foster:No, there is. That is actually exactly what happens. You know, when I talk about, like, the committees, the globalists versus the kind of masculine nationalist or whatever, and those are the extremes. But there is something about not having to ask for permission. Kind of like, even if you think of it on, like, a granular level, like you and your friends are uh gonna go see a movie or go somewhere to eat there's certain people that are kind of be like oh you know what let's go here you guys will love it trust me and you don't need people's permission and there's certain people that'll be like is this okay like are we on board and then the guy's like i don't know and you're like well you you would need to convince everyone first like there's certain people that will need to convince everyone first and then do something and there's certain people that are like no i'm gonna do this i'll get you on board like trust me And there's kind of like, that is a more kind of masculine spirit that is also probably leads to more catastrophes, but also more great things.

58:43Yes, that's definitely true. Yeah, breaking a lot of stuff. It's like that move fast. Move fast break things.

58:49Francis Foster:Yeah, that worked out well. It's kind of the ethos. I mean, that was the Facebook slogan. Yeah, Facebook slogan. Social media. Or Google or something. Move fast and break things. All the tech companies now are building their own nuclear reactors here. Yeah. Where it was, you know, nuclear was a dirty word. Yeah, they're building them to power AI. So we can make funny memes. Well, even like, okay, you guys just, you know, started your thing. You hired people, like, you know, there is something to be said about, like, I remember when we did a TV show, me and my, in Toronto, me and my friends all just, like, made this TV show.

59:19We didn't know how to do it. We made, like, crazy mistakes. We were doing, like, insane things. It was just, we just did what we thought we would do. But I think there is a lot of people that would be like, wait, you can't do that. and you're just like, yeah, you can do anything. Which is, that spirit, I think, is, I like that in other people. Oh, that's so awesome. Whenever I see other people that are just like, now I'm just going to do it.

59:41Francis Foster:Yeah. Yeah, it's like an adventurist. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, that's awesome. And that is something we had to learn in America by coming here. When we started, we didn't have as much of that attitude, even though we were very driven people, both of us, just because you feel more limited in the things you can create. so we actually had to see podcasting happening on a high level in america and then when we started coming here we started meeting people and go whoa like like that's a better attitude yeah you're always looking around to be better at things and attitude and skills and whatever you want to pick that up from other people and it's really much more readily available here i mean for it's part of it is the the i don't know what the time was but the minute mile where the first guy did it then everyone can do it, you know, in formative miles.

1:00:28So much things are that where you're just like, wait, you can just do this and build it. On the tech side, though, he's a little more doomerism about that. How do you guys feel about the AI stuff? Doomerish. Yeah. Yeah, and I'll tell you, this is one thing that I've felt like a lot lately is people will talk about the advancements in medical and the advancements in this. And every day on Twitter, this thing changes everything, right? Right. In all of the industries, there's an old saying in news where it was like the news is, you know, oh, the news is right, the news is right, and then it's really wrong about the thing I know about, and then it's right again.

1:01:02But there's something about that. In every industry that I know really well, which is maybe three or four places that I like really understand and spent 20 years in, not much has changed. And in all these industries that I don't understand, I'm being told everything's changing. So in your personal life, the way that you run your podcast, I'm sure there's little things.

1:01:22Francis Foster:Dude, I don't know about this. I mean, I was sitting next to the guy who sells our ads. And I was just looking over his shoulder, because you do. You know, we were talking or something. I looked at a screen. And he was asking AI what to tell us about our sales numbers so far in the year. Yeah. Based on all the stuff he's been inputting, right? Like, it's automating a lot of things that people used to do in every... Did you fire him? Yeah, but I'm on. I was kind of like, Anton, at some point, the machine will do this for you. You know what I mean? Get a screen protector. But that's an improvement.

1:02:01Assuming that he can do something.

1:02:02Francis Foster:For example, we record with lapel microphones, right? As you know, the big fucking in-your-face microphones are much better for audio quality. You don't have to process the sound. But we prefer the visual and also how the conversation happens when people don't have to think about being in front of a microphone. It's like a stylistic choice. because of that we used to spend a lot of money having to process the audio yeah to make it better ai does that now yeah so that person who used to do that job no longer works and your company because of all these productivity grains is growing and you're hiring more people uh actually the evidence is not quite that the evidence is that most people are getting more done and the company is growing but they're not hiring more people you see what i'm saying so Whereas when you would grow in the future or in the past, you would have hired people.

1:02:52Francis Foster:But now AI does the things that you would have hired a person to do. This is more broadening out because I'm talking about, you know, that conversation is more about changing everything. And you're saying marginal improvements that are great. But people aren't getting hired. Okay. But look at when your job, for example, even in social media, how many people do you know? I know tons that run a little three-person company that does social media stuff, right? Okay, before the internet, that was zero. So that was a million people that have this new job that never exists. I mean, this is somewhat of a classic argument of, you know, are there more jobs and less jobs?

1:03:29And I guess -

1:03:29Francis Foster:New industries will be created. Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not like, my point is not, my point is not that I, if you could probably give me a bunch of examples and I could be, and the argument becomes when does - Well, you just asked me if it changed anything. Yeah, yeah. So that's why I was saying. Because my argument is not that it changes nothing. My argument is that the gains seem marginal. They aren't changing everything where it's not like this whole industry is being nuked. Usually it's explaining to me how a small company became more productive. So the doomsday scenarios don't seem as real to me.

1:04:03I'm more of a doomer.

1:04:04Francis Foster:Well, we already see people who were earning like 55 grand a year last year and now they're in the fucking newspaper. It's news, so it doesn't mean it's representative, but now they don't have a job. Yeah. Right? Because, so, but then, look, industries have come and go in the past. Yeah. That's also true. I think it just hasn't happened at this speed. Well, my point is, yeah, and also a lot of times it's not just something completely different. I mean, how many people do we know that had a job in broadcast media that now run a little media company themselves? Right. So it's probably a good time if you're somewhat entrepreneurial.

1:04:36It's probably a bad time. You know, there's going to be winners and losers. So the idea that there's, like, no pain and this is perfect, that's not really my position. I think every day I see like the world is over and that seems to me overblown. I don't. I don't. I'll tell you, I don't like it. Wait, Danny, why don't you? Well, I, you know the guy who started Uber? Travis Kalanick. So he has this new company where he has these ghost kitchens, basically, and he developed this giant machine and he was on the All In podcast and he's talking about it. He has this huge machine and basically it will automate.

1:05:11if you go to, you know, one of those like slot bowl places like Chipotle or something, the entire process of producing the bowls. And he's talking about how amazing this is. And, you know, it'll be so much, you know, every bowl will be the exact same, which, you know, people complain about. And there'll just be one person who needs to cut the vegetables. Otherwise, everything else is automated. And they're having this whole discussion. And at no point are they like, what are these people going to do when you replace them? Like, he's talking about like, this technology is ready now. right it takes some time to actually you know build it out and scale it out but it exists now and at no point are these you know billionaires these guys are all billionaires no conversation about like what do you what are these people going to do these aren't high-skilled people right right and and you're talking about you know call centers like i think there's a million four million people working call centers in the united states like what are those people going to do

1:06:06Francis Foster:like they already have this technology and then you take it and nobody likes a call center nobody likes calling the call center. So it's not like some big sell to get rid of this stuff. Right. I think that there's a, but like, there is still, you're making an argument about the detriment that this is going to have on the workforce and the things people need to do, which I somewhat agree, but that is not, the world is completely transformed. And yeah, it's not going to happen overnight. I'm not. Well, it depends on the percentage. It's going to happen at the speed. It's going to happen at a faster speed than it's ever happened.

1:06:36Francis Foster:Like what, what unemployment rate takes you into the realms of like you know real problems i don't know what that is right but there is 10 percent yeah and you know well i think they're two separate i think canada's but i actually don't think this is this is even like the job losses are even though the biggest concern about ai like the biggest concern about ai is artificial general intelligence which is where it becomes sentient effectively and that's where like if you want if you want to that's more of the stuff that i'm saying it's overblown. You think that's overblown? Yeah, that's more of the area where I'm talking about.

1:07:15The idea that certain jobs are going to replace, that remains to be seen.

1:07:19Francis Foster:Kill us is like, what if the robots just realized that human beings, you know, the best way to help them be happy is to give them this pill that they'll take so that they've got, you know, 10 times the serotonin or dopamine or whatever. Sounds nice. Yeah. That's my point. Basically, Bravery World. Right. Yeah. Right. And I mean, I think China has the, are working on these like artificial womb factories. Pods? Yeah, like literal artificial, like, you know, China is, and that's another thing. Everybody thinks China is a little ahead of us. They're way ahead of the United States and this stuff. But, you know, you know China will be happily just cranking out kids in a factory.

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1:08:23Konstantin Kisin:If you are 45 or older and at average risk, ask your healthcare provider about screening for colon cancer with the Coligard Test. You can also request a prescription at coligard.com. Thanks, Danny. Do you know of all the ways I saw this episode going, a debate on AI at the end was not going to be... You know, but the thing is,

1:08:43Francis Foster:everywhere you go, this is what people are talking about. Yeah. Because everybody kind of knows it's impactful. Yeah. Maybe thinks, maybe Ryan's right. Maybe they just think it's impactful. Sure. I mean, look, I, when ChatTPD got released a few years ago, I would go in there and it was this novel thing, but I never really found a really good use case. It seemed too dumb. in the last three months is when I'm like, oh, okay, this is different now. I can get this to do shit. Yeah, yeah, like this is like, you know, I'm having code stuff, like make programs for me that I help me like, you know, clip videos and stuff.

1:09:16It can do stuff. Poorly. Well, no, honestly, not that poorly, to be honest. Wow. My clips are actually pretty good. My clips are actually pretty good for what I needed to, but you can make these kind of like bespoke things, but, you know, I'm using it on these niche things. Like imagine what other people

1:09:30Konstantin Kisin:are doing with this stuff right now. And you know what's really worrying is that it's getting rid of entry-level white-collar jobs. Yeah. So what it's essentially meaning is there's going to be a huge swathe of people who can't enter the workforce at the jobs that they really want to do. I know someone who's a nutritionist, and she was telling me, she goes, oh, we used to have a nutritionist assistant to help us all and do all the stuff. She goes, I can now do it with AI. My wife sees a nutritionist, and I say, what did the nutritionist tell you? And she goes, eat broccoli. I'm like, just like the most basic stuff.

1:10:00I'm like, why are you just talking to Claude or Gemini or something? Makes, you know, stuff like that. I'm actually, I think the third world is going to get hurt very badly first. I think the, like the, you know, Western, like the United States will be the last to really feel this. But, you know, there's a lot of people who essentially, you know, in the Philippines, India, their whole job is just like an arbitrage on cheap labor, where they hire some person in the Philippines to do something super cheap. Call me a dreamer. guy that used to be, you know, do legal services guy used to be a plumber.

1:10:32It's like, right now, it seems like insane to run your own business, right? Within three years, it's going to be so streamlined the way that, you know, how would I run? How would I be a media company? It was like, well, you just download TikTok and Instagram and you post these videos and it's actually pretty like there's a system for it. There's going to be these systems that exist of like, if you run a small business, this does your taxes, this does this, and you have this one workstation. So there's going to be this guy that used to be, you know, a plumber has a little plumbing company, a guy that used to be this.

1:11:01And I'm just saying, I can, for every example you give me, I can picture ways in which, and I'm, I'm seeing them in my own life, ways in which people, and it seems like quick, but it's not, it's like over the course of like three years, this person went from working here to like, they're running their own little thing. And I did, oh, I actually used to need an agency for this. Now I don't really, I used to need this for this. Now I don't really. So it's actually a barrier to entry to everything becomes. So the barrier to entry of doing anything becomes very low with all these tools. And that allows, you know, so yeah, the people that always get hurt is you're in the middle of your career and you're not mobile.

1:11:38Yeah. So the future is going to be kinder to people that are mobile in different ways. Yeah. But you're assuming that those businesses, you know, there's going to be a lot of people starting these low cost like candle businesses. Well, you said candle. I don't know what type of business. Or whatever. They might be AI experience businesses. I don't know what they're going to be. Yeah, but there's only so much demand. I don't know. I'm not... Yeah, I guess I'm more on the rose-colored glasses.

1:12:02Francis Foster:We have started a fight between our guests. This is a debate we have all the time. Which is how we like to end the show. Mission accomplished. We've created division and separation. Everybody hates each other. Welcome to Trigonometry. Fellas, before we head over and ask you questions from our supporters, we actually end on a serious question, as you know. What's the one thing we're not talking about that we shouldn't be? You get one pick each.

1:12:26Konstantin Kisin:Sex robots. I'm so agreeing with you.

1:12:29Francis Foster:Well, you don't know what he thinks about it yet. No, no, no, no.

1:12:32Konstantin Kisin:I know. See, I get... He can't wait for them to come.

1:12:36Francis Foster:He thinks they're the best solution to a real problem. Yeah. Right? And they're better than women. And you just agreed to... Well, they have an off button. That's the main thing, is you can unplug them.

1:12:50Konstantin Kisin:Look at Ryan. He looks so full of pride. He's like, yes. You do it, brother. Fantastic. Beautiful. Yeah, all our female viewers have turned off. All eight of them. It is true. You don't want to get cocked by a robot. That's not fun. Well, you don't know that. Fun is subjective. If you do get cocked, I'd rather be by a robot. Fun is subjective. And then maybe people aren't talking enough about the 10x female ETF.

1:13:19Francis Foster:What's the 10x female ETF? So there's an ETF you can buy that's a female CEO ETF, right? Badly underperformed. What the fuck is an ETF? Exchange traded fund. It's like an index fund. Oh, an index fund. Of all the companies that have female CEOs. So they have all these niche ones. Not doing great, right? But we're saying that. Really? Right now, there's someone at Bear Stearns that has to come in and talk to his clients. He's like, yeah, so we bought Tesla, Amazon, 10x short of the female CEO ETF. And just rebalancing the portfolio. What was that one you just said? There's just nothing there. Highly leveraged short of the female CEO ETF.

1:14:04I think, in all honesty, I don't think we're talking enough about Israel. We do not talk about that at all.

1:14:12Konstantin Kisin:Yeah. We never got to Danny's final point about sex robots. Oh, sorry. Just sex robots. What do you mean? He says, too many with vaginas, not enough with dicks. No, we want them both, modular. You know, you're just going to clip in whatever you want. Hey, man, everybody's worried about all these kids sitting at home, you know, and there's this whole crisis where nobody's having sex anymore, or this Ryan's joke where all the Gen Z stuff is just, you know. Yeah, every article about Gen Z sounds like it's making fun of them. It's like, Gen Z are virgins.

1:14:42Are they the gayest generation? I mean, if the sex robots show up, like, obviously, I'm sure there's a loneliness crisis that that'll help with. But, I mean, in terms of the population, which is obviously a real issue, population decline, can't imagine that'll help. And I can guess that those robots are coming. So you see, we had to end on a depressing note. Thank you, Danny. I'm Doomer Danny. That's what I go by. To make it not depressing, I don't think women are going to want robot boyfriends. And I've said because I don't think the robot would know how to lie to the woman the perfect man. Because he would go, do you want me to lie?

1:15:18And the robot would be like, no, tell me the truth. And he goes, your co-worker sounds like the reasonable one.

1:15:28Francis Foster:And on that note. All right, head on over to triggerpod.co.uk where the boys will answer your questions.

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