Zohran Mamdani and The Truth About Democratic Socialism - Kaizen Asiedu

27:42Like, what's the big deal? And that's actually misleading. It's highly misleading because what happened was, I think it was Bloomberg actually met that imam and he didn't realize what his background was. And then after he said he regretted the meeting. Eric Adams met that imam alongside a Jewish community leader and a Christian community leader. Neither of those interactions were like taking a picture arm in arm with a guy who defended terrorists. So, look, I get that Zoran as a Muslim, probably he wants to show solidarity with the Muslim community in New York. And it's a tricky thread, needle to thread.

28:19But at the same time, when you bring extremists into the tent, there's concerns from other people in the tent that now you're going to allow in more extremist views. So if people were to say just because he's Muslim, this is a problem, I would say, hey, that's actually not being fair. But when you look at the people he's actually associating himself with, yeah, there's a reasonable concern. I mean, same thing with Hassan Piker, right? Hasan Piker, he said that America deserved 9-11, and yeah, afterward, he said, kind of apologized for it. But it's like, okay, if you're going to align yourself with someone like that, then people are going to have concerns, hey, do you actually agree with this guy?

29:00Or is this someone who you're friends with, and you agree with someone that they said, and not others? At least in the case of Hasan, he's denounced those comments by Hasan. But in the case of the imam, he kind of just deflected. and that's not what we need a leader doing when yeah positioning yourself with people who are explicitly sympathizing with terrorists and again that's the real concern because you look at america and i'm a foreigner here and all the rest of it but i do worry that this current polarization is just going to continue happening and now that you see it in new york with jewish people being saying that they're openly scared, they're openly talking about leaving.

29:42And you're kind of thinking to yourself, where will this end? Where will this end and how will this end? Because we can't keep going on this trajectory without something significant happening. Yeah. You know, I actually hoped that it would end when Trump nearly got assassinated. It didn't end there. I hoped it would end when Charlie Kirk got assassinated. Didn't end there either.

30:12And I think there's two paths we can take. One is the more pessimistic path, where there's sufficient violence that causes the leaders on both sides to find the courage to say, hey, enough, and critique their side directly, which is what I think people need to be doing. Like, followers take cues from leaders, and if leaders are never critiquing their followers, their followers are not going to change. um the optimistic path is that some people realize that the temperature has been turned up way too high and they start turning it down and i'm trying to do that to the extent that i can that's kind of why i try to do stuff like steel man zoran mamdani's position just to humanize the sides to one another and i think that can work and i don't think you need everyone to do it at once i think you just need the most visible leaders with the biggest followings to start doing that and be willing to take the heat for it because look if i make a video steel Manning Zora on Mondani, I do not go viral.

31:05It just doesn't end up as well. And it's like, yeah, it sucks. And I also get criticism and people misunderstand me, but I also think it's really important. And I also think there's a core of my audience and any influencer or leader's audience who does see that and respects you when you do it. So yeah, the applause is not going to be loud, but there are going to be people who's like, yeah, you know, politics aside, this is kind of crazy. And I'm glad that someone is calling this out and just trying to not have some continuous moral crusade against everyone they disagree with. It's one of the things we tried to do on the show as well.

31:39And I wanted to ask you about immigration and ICE and all the rest of it, because this is one of the things as an outsider, again, it's very difficult to judge. I don't know when in relation to the other episodes, this one goes out, but we've talked to people on the show and off the show about it. And you get the full range from this is brilliant. And the only reason the riots are happening is that the the local officials are interfering with ICE enforcing the law through to this is tyranny, you know, authoritarianism, et cetera. Where do you come down on it? Yeah, I think it's important to deport people who are here in the country illegally.

32:15And I think, in principle, what people have lost touch with is the fact that America is not just a piece of land. It's not just an idea. It's a community. And the value of the community is exclusivity, actually. Any community that people desire to be in, people desire to be in because the community is cultivated with rules and principles and boundaries that make everyone in the community get along. Unfortunately, the idea of America being something special and something worth holding onto has been eroded over time where people don't love America, they don't love what it stands for, they think it's just some evil, racist, white supremacist place that's just defined by slavery when it's like no people live here people love living here because we have rules and norms that people follow and they work pretty well relative to other places in the world and if you just allow people to violate the fundamental principle of what makes a nation state upon entry then every other rule it becomes kind of optional and if you see people entering the southern border because they just want to makes you wonder well why am I even paying taxes then?

33:28That said, I think there's better and worse ways to execute the deportation effort. And my critiques of the Trump administration are, A, I think that they're doing things in a very brute force way that doesn't actually scale. Because if you truly think that there's 10 to 30 million people in the country illegally, you're not going to deport them all thrice. You need to fix the incentives here. And the incentive is if you come here, you're going to get at least a limited degree of health care. Your kids are going to get to go to school. You'll be able to get a job. The employer that you get a job from is not going to go to prison for breaking employment law.

34:08And yet you get to experience a lot of the benefits that come with being in America. Whereas if we said, hey, employers, if we find out that you're employing someone illegally, you're going to go to prison. All of a sudden, employers would stop employing people illegally and you remove one of the chief incentives for people coming here. But instead of there being a crackdown on illegal employment, we're seeing, yeah, ice raids. And there's going to be a need for that no matter what. But I think it's a higher proportion of the overall pie than it actually needs to be. And I'd like to see them focus on the incentives.

34:44So, no, it's not fair to say that the only reason people are protesting is because local law enforcement is interfering or not complying with ICE. I live here. I mean, I interact with illegal immigrants regularly. I have friends who go to these protests in solidarity with illegal immigrants. It's not all manufactured. I think that's a massive straw man of the position. and actually when I've spoken to some of my friends who are trying to defend illegal immigrants or standing up to what Trump is doing and I explain my position of hey look these people are not many of them are not bad people they just came here to follow the American dream but the thing that makes the American dream the American dream is supported by rules and when people are breaking the rules the American dream kind of collapses for everyone and there's a way to deport people more compassionately, we can pay them to leave, which the Trump administration has done to a degree.

35:38I think we should be paying them more because it's so expensive to forcibly deport them. So why not just give them money? You preserve some goodwill. It's not so noisy. You don't see crying mothers on TV. And yeah, if you remove the jobs, you don't allow them to avail themselves of health care unless it's like a truly life-saving situation. Then yeah, a lot of these people are just going to leave voluntarily. And it's still not going to feel good. but it'll probably feel better than for the next three years watching ICE forcibly arrest people and deport them. And eventually political capital runs out.

36:14So look, I think it's just really important in principle to enforce the law. And the law is, if you're here, you have to be here legally. I'm open to doing things like, you know, if the agricultural industry, for example, relies on illegal immigrant labor, cool, let's make the legal immigration process faster and more efficient so that they can get seasonal worker visas and things that they need to augment their workforce. But no, I'm not open to amnesty and these things outside of like maybe some cases if someone's like really a senior citizen or something like that. Because look, we're in a state right now where we actually did that in the 80s.

36:51In the 80s, Ronald Reagan signed a bill giving people amnesty and we're back in the same situation. So at some point, a boundary needs to be set. A boundary needs to be set that's so strong that people won't allow this open border situation ever again. But because we haven't been willing to do that, it's continued to perpetuate. And before it was actually the Republicans being in favor of this kind of stuff. It was like the whole idea of, you know, then it was more to support the corporate, the corporate reliance on a legal worker. Well, very much on that. Do you think one of the reasons that the fairly obvious solution that you've outlined which is you deal with this at the point of employment and you introduced fairly draconian punishments for employers who employ illegal immigrants one of the reasons that hasn't happened is you talk about political capital that's actually how you spend a lot of political capital because it's not going to be you know juanita who's complaining about what's happening it's going to be somebody with power with donations to your campaign, et cetera.

37:52Yeah, you're right. And I think that's probably why they haven't addressed it. But look, I think Trump is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem. I wasn't convinced that he was serious until I saw that. I was like, oh, wow, he's he means everyone. He's actually trying to deport everyone, not just violent criminals. And then I saw he's doubling down with one hundred fifty billion dollars to ice. So it's like, OK, I think he's actually serious. I think he's willing to take heat. why not take heat by dealing with the corporations who are employing these people which i actually think could be a lot more unifying like i think there's a part of most americans who hate it when they see the rules being broken by corporations i think the corporations who provide money to uh the maga movement and political causes yeah they're going to be a lot more resistant but I think Trump can rally the base against those people.

38:44And Trump is in his last term anyway. So what does he have to lose? Well, absolutely. And let's be fair, he's never been someone who's been afraid to tackle the difficult issues. Imagine having a personalized health blueprint, a plan built just for you based on exactly what your body needs. That is what superpower delivers. Their goal is to help you reach your full 100 year potential. Here's how it works. A licensed professional comes to your home or you visit a nearby lab for a single lab test that looks at over 100 biomarkers, heart health, liver function, thyroid hormones, metabolism, vitamin and mineral levels, and even environmental toxins.

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40:43And we talk about radicalization, guys, and that will radicalize people. Especially when you've got access to Instagram. Let's say you're dirt poor 20-odd years ago. You didn't really know how the other half lived. Now all you do is go on Instagram and it gets rubbed in your face. You can watch Cribs on MTV. I remember that. I kind of liked Cribs even when I was broke. It was fun. I don't know if that show's still around. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And man, this is one of those issues where I actually think there have been some Democrats who have correctly identified the problem, which is, yeah, corporate influence.

41:16Like Bernie Sanders, he talks constantly about the oligarchy, the oligarchy. And, you know, he does it to the point where almost it feels like a bit of a meme. But I think he's right. Like, I'm pro-capitalism. I think capitalism is the best system that has ever been invented or at least the least bad of all the other economic systems, empirically. speaking. But there's a point at which capitalism can be co-opted by corporate interests who are influencing the laws and basically engaging in regulatory capture where they basically rig the rules in their favor. And I think that's also what's probably been going on in New York too, hence the rise of Zoran.

41:55So yeah, wealth inequality is an actual issue. And I don't think the issue is inherent to capitalism. I think the issue is corporate influence and centralization of power among the few as opposed to distributed among the many and that's what i think hopefully the right and the left can both get on board with but that seems to not be happening yet well yeah exactly because the left are far better placed to actually exploit that because that's one of you know that's one of the things with being on the left you you're concerned about that what worries me is that the right just seem more interested in demonizing the politicians that talk about it than actually addressing the problems.

42:36It's not everyone on the right, but it seems to be a lot of them. And I'm thinking to myself, if you don't actually deal with the problems, we are going to get a lot more left-wing populists because, you know, problems aren't being addressed. People's concerns aren't being addressed. Absolutely. And that's why it's not important to people, whether it's a socialist or a capitalist, they want populists first. So if I was running the RNC or whatever, I would say, hey, we need to find a populist capitalist as a foil to the populist, socialist, and communist. And we need to meet them there and extol the virtues of capitalism when it's well structured.

43:15Because if you continue to just demonize the populist of any color, what happens is people just feel, oh, well, you don't actually care about my problems. So at least this guy's talking about my problems. Most people are not thinking deeply about the economic ramifications. They don't really know how to assess these things, nor should they really have to. but if there's only one person who's actually speaking about the problems, they're going to go along with what they say, no matter what their solution is. Yeah, well, the thing with that, though, is it really fundamentally depends, no matter how important you think wealth inequality is, fundamentally depends on where you think it comes from.

43:49And I think the corporate capture argument is obviously partially true. I also think, to a large extent, it's probably something that's been driven by technology. I mean, most of the wealth that's being created in this state, I would venture, is in one city called San Francisco, where people are doing AI, right? And you don't need a lot of people to do that. What you need is a lot of money and a lot of energy and a lot of chips. So I wonder whether we're just going to live in this long age of populism because the wealth is accumulating in fewer and fewer hands just by the nature of the technological structures of the society we now live in.

44:28Yeah. Yeah, you raise an interesting point. Because now that I think about it more, I think there's kind of two issues. There's what's this condition of the people who are the worst off in society? And then there's what's the gap between the people who are the worst off and the people who are the best off, which is the wealth inequality question. I don't think it would get us all the way there to just address the situation of the people who are worse off if you still had wealth inequality. But I think it would get us a lot of the way there. and i mean if you look at california i mean you literally see homelessness everywhere uh many people who are not homeless are like one paycheck away from being homeless and that's just an awful existence like it's like bare subsistence and i think if you're that kind of person and you look at the situation of like a billionaire or some san francisco ai guy you look at your situation like man i can't even be happy with what i have because what i have sucks where at least if their situation didn't suck, it would probably be easier to accept the fact that we're going to have trillionaires in relative short order.

45:31So, yeah, I mean, it's hard. Like, I think there's going to be more extreme pulls, I think, in the future, just because that's what technology does. It allows exponential transformations of the physical world. And yeah, you're just going to have some people who are way, way, way, way richer. But I think if we can at least take care of the position of the bottom of society, it'll feel better for people. And I think there's actually a deeper conversation to have about the relationship between the rich and the poor in this country for sure, but maybe in the West in general, where I've been thinking about the term aristocrat.

46:13And the etymology of aristocrat is the most excellent or the best among us. And there used to be this relationship between the rich and the poor where if you were one of the wealthy ones, it would almost be like instead of being at the top of the pyramid, you're at the bottom of the pyramid supporting everyone in service. And at some point, the social contract kind of broke down. And I think people who became wealthy became more selfish, honestly. And I think people who are poor became resentful of the rich. and if you're rich and you see people who are poor resentful you're not going to want to take care of them and if people who are poor don't see rich people you know doing things for their everyone else they're going to become resentful and it's just this vicious cycle so i remember a few years ago um mark zuckerberg he tried to like donate this hospital and you know just i don't know why he did it i assume it's of goodness of his heart and maybe it's for social status but it's a good thing to do.

47:11And people rejected that. Like they didn't even want his donation. And that shows me there's something really broken about the relationship between the best off and the worst off. And I think, look, I'm not one of these people. I think we kind of have this fallacy of like, everyone's equally capable. Not everyone's equally capable, right? Not everyone's going to be a billionaire. Not everyone's going to make a world-changing technology. So there's kind of a natural aristocracy. And if we can get honest about that, Then we can have a conversation about, okay, well, what should the aristocrats be doing?

47:40And what do we give them in reward for doing what is good for the collective? And we should be celebrating people who are doing things that benefit all of humanity. Like Mark Zuckerberg should have been celebrated when he generated enough funds to create a hospital wing. but yeah there's like just like there's like this right left divide there's this poor rich divide and there's always been rich and poor but i don't think it's always been this level of animosity there's a really interesting point i think it was during certain periods of ancient greece the rich and uh powerful were expected to almost dedicate their entire lives to actually doing things for their community and for society um and yeah you're right like you could be a billionaire now who pledges to give away 99 % of his wealth.

48:27And people still hate you. Yeah. Because you're a billionaire. Right. Yeah. Which is interesting. Your point about inequality, by the way, look, I haven't seen the latest research, but I remember reading the spirit level and the argument they basically made is actually once you get past a certain basic point, which this country is way past, it doesn't actually matter how well off the people at the bottom are. What matters is the gap between the rich and the poor. And that ruins everything for everybody, including the super rich, weirdly enough. Because all of the metrics like of social disease, population in prison, teenage pregnancy, interpersonal violence, those things go up as inequality goes up.

49:09So it's actually going to be, you're going to get this wave of populism from both sides. And I suspect both of them are going to struggle to actually fix the problem. well if that isn't depressing yeah well that's what we do here depresonometry um yeah i mean i i think it's a it's just a difficult problem to solve and um you know this there's kind of this like hedonic treadmill effect i think that maybe is going on too to be fair because i mean if you were to talk to the average person who's working on nine to five or they're making like 15 an hour and say well you're actually at the point past which there's diminishing returns and you actually have enough i don't think they would feel that way i think they would feel no if you doubled my salary it would make my life tangibly better so and they'd be right i think they'd be right right like i i think it would be nice if you didn't have to worry about if you get fired you're going to be homeless the next month like i think many people are below that threshold so yeah i don't know the research i've heard these stories like past eighty thousand dollars like you know more money doesn't make you more happy and stuff like that okay cool i'm like it sounds like best to me that's total bullshit okay the idea that money doesn't make you happy is a story that rich people tell poor people so they don't feel jealous that's it yeah yeah absolutely yeah i actually heard a good quote from tony robbins actually i went to one of his events recently and he said if you think that money doesn't make you happy you haven't given enough enough away i was like oh that's actually really interesting framing which kind of goes back to the whole natural aristocracy idea.

50:42You get to a point where you have so much wealth that the fun part is giving it to good causes. So I think, again, we need to address this at the bottom and also the gap. But I think we can at least start with what's going on at the bottom. And a lot of people are just in conditions where it's like, yeah, resentment's natural. Let me introduce you to the people I work with to protect my family against financial instability, inflation, and turmoil. For me, one of the best ways to safeguard your wealth is by investing in gold, and that's why I trust the Pure Gold Company. Here's a smart tip. If you buy UK-minted gold coins like Sovereign's, you won't pay VAT when you buy them or capital gains tax when you sell.

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52:42Except they don't work. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, kind of true. But if we were, let's play a little thought experiment. If we were to kind of design a de-radicalization program for the average American, the average person in the West, what do you think it would mean? What do you think we should do in order to just ratchet everything down? Well, I think a lot of this is a lot of the division is because instead of socializing, we have social media. And you even see this upon racial lines. Pre-2013, 2014, perceptions of black people of white black race relations was at a high. Those are high 60s. Perceptions of white people of black white relations was at a high, too.

53:26It was also in the 70s. What happened after that? Well, people would say it was events like Trayvon Martin and then eventually George Floyd. But the rates of police brutality against minority groups didn't radically spike. What happened was people's awareness of it radically spiked because we all have instant access to view any extremely negative event in our pockets at all times. so the rise of social media in combination with the fact that you know the pandemic led to everyone being in their houses and we have this whole generation of kids who didn't go to college or they missed out on school in their key developmental years has meant that people don't even know how to talk to each other anymore and because of that when you don't talk to people who disagree with you it's easy to form a demonic avatar of them in your head where it's actually dehumanizing so if we were to start de-radicalizing people it would start by just as corny as it sounds but i'm an ollie hippie right let's talk to each other like we need to get people talking to people who disagree with them but instead of that i mean not only are i i think people are just interacting less in person in general these days but people are interacting online in algorithmic echo chambers where you're fed views that feed into your confirmation bias and the only representation of the opposite side that you ever see is the worst examples of it.

54:51We saw this with Charlie Kirk, right? After Charlie Kirk passed away, I wasn't even that familiar with his views until after he died and people started talking about his views in a way that was grossly exaggerated. And cherry picking clips out of context and saying that he believes that black people shouldn't have the right to vote or that he believed that people should be stoning gays, all massive distortions of his view. But then I realized, oh, wow, like that's literally the only exposure they've ever gotten to him these five second clips that have been selectively edited and they might not have even met someone who was a conservative i mean here in la if you're conservative you have to be quiet it's it's it's socially dangerous if not honestly physically dangerous too and as a result like people think that conservatives are like this weird thing that only exists in nebraska when no there's people who have different views from you but because we're not socializing you don't actually get exposed to that and it's kind of like i believe they have these de-radicalization experiments i think maybe coming out of um maybe like the mid-20th century i forget who exactly had literal white racists talk to black people and pair them and yeah what happened was you know when you get exposed to someone long enough you get to see their humanity and you stop demonizing so much so that's how i would try to approach de-radicalization right and especially if you if you are solving a problem together that's one of the other things right it's like if you get people who are predisposed to dislike each other in a room where they have to solve a common problem that's when you actually get proper kind of de-radicalization if you like yeah um and that's i think really comes back to the beginning of our conversation which is if you don't all feel like this is one country and you ultimately at the end of the day you're all british or you're all american that's where you actually start to see this break down completely exactly and you know that's why the space race was actually so healthy right for america and the cold war yeah honestly yeah it's like it's like the best war you could possibly have no one actually got you know no countries got nuked and everyone got a little bit more tribal in a way that is actually kind of positive and we need something that gets us beyond our tribal identities and focuses on a hard problem that if we solve, we'll all benefit from.

57:13And unfortunately, we don't really have that right now in America. And I think in the West, more generally, there's not a collective project that everyone can feel inspired by. I think we got to find that. Like we need to, like, I think there's humans, there's always going to be war, but the war should not be man against man. It should be man against ideas and man against restrictions and man against the limitations of the physical world. That's why I think Elon trying to get us to Mars is a tremendously healthy thing. And I was actually excited when the president, President Trump during the inauguration said, we're going to get to Mars.

57:49I was like, oh, cool. Actually make that a bigger piece of the platform because that's something that elevates us beyond whatever quibbles we have as individuals and gets us on board with doing something as a generation that would be truly epic yeah well the other thing coming back to what you were saying as well about how social media works and you mentioned charlie kirk what was interesting is you say this is people's only exposure to this guy i there was a guy in our country called alistair campbell who you're probably not familiar with uh he was tony blair's uh been doctor well i didn't want to use a loaded tone tony's blair like media relations guy let's who he tweeted a thing about Charlie Kirk making those kind of completely inaccurate allegations.

58:36And then he took it down. And a lot of people are now, you know, I'm a big fan of the fact that online content is monetized. It's how we make a living. It's how we do what we do. It's great. Once you create monetization of content, now the incentive structure is, well, let me just say this thing that my tribe is going to agree with and my people are going to share without checking anything at all. Yeah. Yep. And look, I'm going to say something unpopular. We as individuals have to change our consumption patterns. Correct. Because why is there media bias? Because they're supplying a demand for biased content.

59:16There's always going to be BS that we're fed if people keep eating BS. so we can complain that people are incentivized financially to spread misinformation but if we all take it upon ourselves to slow down verify information for ourselves unfollow people who are spreading garbage call it out when someone's spreading garbage and vote with our wallets and our attention this problem can get solved very quickly overnight literally if we all just raised our standard for the information that enters our mind like instantly the industry would disappear but that requires a level of personal responsibility that is very hard to have and you know that's i think that would actually create the tectonic shift that people are looking for it's not tweaking the algorithms it's not regulating the companies none of that stuff is going to work we all have to just get fed up enough that we take it upon ourselves and say look I'm tired of hostility.

1:00:19I'm tired of nonsense. Anyone who is rage baiting and sensationalizing and spreading garbage, I'm literally just not going to pay attention to them anymore. And if you don't pay them attention, then they don't get paid money. Well, that's actually a really good point. I did a video recently in which I addressed that point with a couple of people that I think are really out there on that stuff. And that was my point is like, the great thing about the internet, the way it's developed is it's ended gatekeeping the terrible thing about the internet is it's ended gatekeeping and now ultimately the only way of gatekeeping that i think exists and some gatekeeping is necessary is you gatekeeping yourself yes you are your own gatekeeper now and you have to go okay this stuff is it's it's like eating shit that's bad junk food right like you can eat it but at some point if you want to have a healthy life you go i'm gonna have to resist the urge that i have to eat this stuff yeah and while eating we're eating mental junk food that's right okay and then we're getting constipated from eating all this mental junk food and not processing it and then we're sharing it with other people so it's like of course we're in this situation where there's so much garbage out there and we're wondering why we keep getting more garbage because we keep on consuming it.

1:01:38So I think this actually can be an empowering message because, look, not to hold myself up as some sort of paragon, but it takes me like six hours to make that three-minute video that you see on your X feed in passing. Like every single time, it takes me hours and hours and hours. And most of that time is spent refining and researching what I say because I take it really seriously because I know if I'm going to reach millions of people, I want to be saying things that are correct. And even if I'm giving an opinion, I want to make sure it's substantiated. And if we all held ourselves to a high standard for when we say something, when we comment on something, when we share something, everyone who is providing this information to us would be forced to step it up because they'd be like, oh, this is not working anymore.

1:02:24Kaizen, it's been an absolute pleasure having you on the show. The final question is always the same. What's the one thing we're not talking about that we really should be?

1:02:37You know, often I think people are talking about rights, but we're not talking about responsibility in a commensurate amount. And just like we talked about, it's important for you to take responsibility for the information you consume. I think that's important in every single part of life. And anytime there's a conversation about what you deserve, there needs to be a conversation about what you'll give in exchange for what you want. And if we take that approach as individuals, then society itself transforms because we are society. Society is not this thing imposed on us. It's a thing that we're reinforcing or revolutionizing with every single thought, word, or action.

1:03:19There we go. Thanks for coming on, man. Thanks for having me, guys.

1:03:37We'll see you next time.