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27:08Dr. Mary Claire Haver:So you were able to get pregnant. Yeah. And you have two wonderful kids. Yes. And they are growing and flowing. And you are very quickly getting close to empty nesting. Very quickly. Very close. Yeah. One's already gone. And doing well. Doing well. A freshman. Yep. And very, very proud of him. Worked really, really hard to get in the exact place that he wanted to go. So good for him. Very proud of him. So you have your two kids. You're done with your family, I'm assuming at that point. You're happy. You're moving on. Then the symptoms come. Yeah. From the book, I remember. Yeah. I mean, some of the symptoms were there way before I even had that blood test.

27:50Yeah, of course. I think, you know, I didn't know at the time. Not until I started learning. And again, the internet was not active. So, yeah, I mean, in my late 20s, I would have night sweats. Okay. And I would chalk that up to an allergy, heavy PMS symptoms, stressful living, glass of wine too many. Yeah. You know. Yeah. All the things we blame ourselves for. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, maybe it was hormonal and maybe it was just my, I was sensitive to hormonal changes. I wasn't tracking my hormones in my late 20s. Yeah. And migraines. That was the other thing. I was having migraines. Those two things were well before those blood tests, which we know now that I had looked.

28:38So then after my second baby, all of those things returned. Massive night sweats. I mean, I remember changing the clothes. and lying on towels and changing t-shirts all through the night. Then brain fog because of the disrupted sleep. But then lots of them came much later when I did learn enough, you know, things like, well, the skin, which led me to, and we'll get to that, but the brand, developing the brand, that was a crazy one. I had no idea that skin issues and dehydration from scalp to vag take place. And then the frozen shoulder and then the UTIs. I thought UTIs were for people in their 20s or, you know, honeymooners disease, we used to call it.

29:24Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Yeah. Honeymoon cystitis is what we called it in medicine. No, it is definitely a lack of estrogen, which we know, but I didn't know that either, you know, even in my training. And that is what's so fascinating that, you know, it had to be all of us come together, women to say, I can't handle this. I'm going to be brave enough to talk about my stories and my body letting me down and I don't want to suffer. And then the doctors have to listen and then go back, right? Right. And say, yeah, this is what we didn't learn. And this is what we now have to get up on, you know, get up to speed on. Yeah.

29:57Dr. Mary Claire Haver:So women don't suffer unnecessarily. So you met your husband, Billy Crudup. Yes. At work. You guys were doing a play? No, we were doing a TV show called Gypsy, which was definitely, it was interesting because It was probably the most sexual role of my career at that point in my late 40s. I remember I had my 47th birthday. I think it was 47th or 46th. God, I can't do the math. On the set. And yeah, I met him. I had only recently, Liev, my ex and I had been separated for a while, but we had recently declared that we were not together anymore. just before I started filming. And so my head was down.

30:41I was like, I just all about getting the work done and focusing on the kids. I was really not expecting to meet someone right away. Right. Did you, was it instant?

30:54Dr. Mary Claire Haver:You just knew? No, you know, it was, it was instant in that it was, you know, an immediate reaction and connection, but the brakes were on. I was, I was moving, letting them off slowly. I certainly didn't want anything to build too quickly. So a friendship was born most of all, a very strong bond, which was kind of key. And then bit by bit, it just grew. And, and, you know, it really wasn't until after COVID that we've really got deeper into our relationship. where did you spent covid in new york or um yes out out east i we were there was the very beginning it started in la um and then um and then came back to new york okay it was an interesting time for everyone we were all like separated and especially if you had you know he had his son kids yeah and you want to be with your kids yeah and you you know want to keep the lockdown tight be respectful and um a lot of texting yeah a lot of texting a lot of facetiming so you were there's a great story you shared on oprah when we were on oprah together about you were menopausal you were being appropriately treated you had your patch or something on and you didn't you hadn't really shared that with him yet no no it was um this shame plays such a big part of you know menopause or especially if you go in early.

32:26And I had recently got on the patch at my new endocrinologist's advice. And that moment came where we were going to get hot and heavy and I had to excuse myself and it was not to slip into something more comfortable. It was to scratch off that patch, which we know, ladies, I'm sure your listeners have tried the patch or some of them. It's got a massive adhesive and it leaves a nasty mess. and circle or square. And yeah, if you switch sides and there's one on the other side that hasn't yet come off either. And now you've got two sides like, oh, what do I do? So I was in the bathroom far too long.

33:06And Billy's like, is everything OK? Knock, knock. And then I came out flustered. And I was like, what am I going to do? I could either just excuse myself and be, you know, uncomfortable and weird to him, or I could just own this and say, this is what's going on with my body. And I did, I ended up, you know, through a flustered, you know, amount of words. I just said, I, well, there's this thing and I was trying to get it off and, you know, I'm, I'm in menopause and I don't know if you know much about that, but you have to wear a patch and that levels your estrogen. And oh my God, should I just leave?

33:43And he cracked up laughing and just said, Oh my God. First of all, I'm so glad you're getting the right treatment. And let's talk about this. How could I help? And that was just like the gateway to owning my story and intimacy, the gateway to intimacy. I felt like more supported, more seen. Yeah, it was just a loving moment.

34:06Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Amazing. And it kind of gave you power to say, you know what? I did the worst thing. I said the thing and it didn't spook him. Yeah, it didn't spook him. And it was a litmus test. Like, I'm going to stick around. So hot flashes was one of your main symptoms. I wouldn't say it was my main, but yeah, definitely. There? It was the most embarrassing. Okay, let me hear it. I was on a plane and I wouldn't actually, embarrassing is the wrong word, panic. Because you just want to take off everything, you know, get rid of the layers. And I was in a middle seat and I'd already gone to the bathroom too many times, much to the chagrin of the man on the aisle seat.

34:51And I, you know, if there was an eject button, I would have just pressed it. I was like, get me out of here. You just want it like the earth to swallow you up. And in this case, the skies. It just fills you with panic and dread. Like you just assume that everybody is looking at you and, you know, the blood pressure that is rising. There's a sense of impending doom.

35:10Dr. Mary Claire Haver:many, many women have right as the hot flash occurs. Yeah. And it was so early on that I definitely didn't have my stuff together. I didn't really know what was happening. I thought maybe it was a panic attack. But the hot flashes, I would say I got under control quickly because I went on HRT. And I have been successfully on HRT. I know it's not everyone's choice, but I have been on it since 2013. Yeah. I'm almost at 10 years. Right. So yeah, 48. Those hot flashes, and I know they hit some people in the most extraordinary of places that can be your undoing. And, you know, I have, there's some mentions of it in my book of other women as well, not just the story I just said.

36:02And mine was in the OR was the worst because

36:05Dr. Mary Claire Haver:you're draped in all these gowns and you've got your scrubs and the hat and the mask. And then my mask, you know, we had a protector. Yes. Because I wore glasses, so I couldn't wear the goggles. And you're steaming up? Steaming. Steaming. And they would have to come. Can't see and you're operating? They would have to come with a 4x4 little gauze, you know, dipped in water to clean the screen off so I could see to operate while I'm drenched underneath. It was very quickly after that I said, you know, I was still under the impression that HRT was dangerous. You only do it if it's the last course.

36:38Dr. Mary Claire Haver:And I said, I can't live like this. Right. I'll take the gamble. I went on HRT. I mean, and now I think the work that has been done by you guys, you doctors and us, other people, I think women can now in those moments say, give me a minute. Yeah. Can I just adjust the, who's got the remote control? Or let me just take off a layer or I'll be back in five, you know? And no shame, own that. and hold your head high. It's just biology, right? And not be so embarrassed and ashamed. I think good study out of the UK that one in five to one in 10 women will quit their jobs at the height of their career when they have the most to give, the most wisdom because of untreated menopause symptoms.

37:24Dr. Mary Claire Haver:And they just don't feel it. And a lot of that is the brain fog and the cognitive struggles that they're like, I can't remember the numbers or the names or the math. and, you know, people who rely on that recall. That's crazy. It's really tough. And we don't have to live like that. No, absolutely not. Okay, so here you are now on the other side, exploding career. I love, the algorithm happily shows me every new part, all of these incredible roles that you're just killing right now. And you're hydrated, you're lubricated, your symptoms are appropriately treated. You're on this path. What is going to stop you now?

37:59Dr. Mary Claire Haver:I'm tired. I'm definitely tired. You're working a lot. I need a few naps. No, I mean, this is the thing is that we're not done. And that was the message that we were fed. I remember your interview, the roundtable with Hollywood Reporter. Yep. And you so beautifully were talking about the work, work, work mantra. You know, once you hit, you know, once the big breakthrough role. And then it was like, do as much as you can. So like, talk about that. Yeah, because I came into Hollywood, you know, the launching of Mulholland Drive was, as you said, like 33-ish. And it was like, you got to work because it's all finished at 40.

38:34And I was like, well, why? What do you mean? And then, well, you know, it's like femme fatale roles are not going to be there for you anymore. And, you know, when you get to a certain age, you're...

38:46Dr. Mary Claire Haver:The grandma. Yeah. It feels like, at least not now, but back, you know, when I was in my 30s thinking of, there's like these ages in Hollywood of girlfriend, some kind of gritty character, you know, a lawyer or whatever, and then grandma. Yeah, exactly. And there's nothing in between. Nothing in between. Which is changing. Yeah. And I mean, just look last year, three women that I know, Pamela Anderson, Nicole Kidman, to me, more in sexually driven movies. And age appropriate. And age appropriate. It's fantastic that that means that the tide and the narrative is definitely changing. And I think we all have something to do with that.

39:26We want to be seen. We want our stories reflected. That's all people are looking for the whole time is to know that they're not alone. They're not outside of it.

39:36Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Do you think it's the Reese Witherspoons? And I think, I mean, everybody's getting into production now, but women are starting to drive these producing. And so, therefore, getting their mind open to this could be financially successful because you have to make money, right? Everything is. But they're proving that these are going to be good financially, and women will go and see them. Yes, yeah, definitely. Reese has been absolutely instrumental in driving female-driven stories and lots of other. I've been working with Ryan Murphy recently, and not only is he giving me roles at this age, but multiple women around my age.

40:22And it's heartening. It really is. Because like I said, we want to see ourselves celebrated, reflected at every point in life. And we're not unsexy.

40:34Dr. Mary Claire Haver:We're not unfuckable. we're not done you thought you stopped me in my tracks the first time and the backstory I talked about when we first met and I do I owe you a debt of gratitude because your team kind of plucked me out of obscurity to bring me up to this meeting and it just took me out of my little shell I had a modest social media following I wasn't but I was following you you were of course I was but you know what here's the thing I was still in secret menopause right yeah trying to I mean was this going to be career suicide at some point? Were you worried? Absolutely. Of course I was. I thought this would be a terrible idea, but I was trying to find resources myself through Instagram and I have a private account and I would follow you and a great number of others, the whole list of, of, of doctors.

41:22Um, and I really relied on, on these people because I needed, I needed to piecemeal the information.

41:29Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Cause you were young and you didn't have friends, I'm guessing that were, you know, they got there eventually, but you were kind of the first. Well, I mean, not in my 30s I wasn't doing that, but like in my 40s, yeah.

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45:02Dr. Mary Claire Haver:So you decide to do a brand around menopause. Yes. And that's where we met. Did you get pushback? I wasn't listening to the pushback. I was listening to myself. That was, you know, like I'm sure you've had a moment, you know you've had ideas that you've percolated for several months possibly years you know and you play you test the waters with your contemporaries I'm sure that most people when when they come up with an idea just like comedians go out and test their jokes yeah we think it through we test our through our friends we um and I was I was getting met with you know like no no no no you're not in menopause you're far too young you know like or don't be silly you You know, like if I would say, you know, oh, I'm having an estrogen dip, I would be getting plenty of messaging from those around me that this isn't a real thing.

45:58Don't go there. Kind of, you know, I'm not willing to talk about it. So why should you? So I definitely kept it tight for a long time. But I did have just enough people encouraging me. One friend who, this was back in my 40s, said, write the book because I said, you know, I wish there was a handbook. I wish there was something that gave me the courage that made me feel like this wasn't the end, that made me feel like I can still be sexy and funny and navigate this with some kind of ease. Not this horrible narrative that tells you you must go to the corner and pull out your frickin knitting needles.

46:35No, you know, we're living longer. We're half the population. Why is it so taboo? so um i definitely sat quietly with it for us for a very long time and it wasn't until covid and i'd already had that wonderful level of support from my boyfriend now husband and then i cold pitched the idea to amorous which was a biotech company um i literally just rang them up in covid out of the blue and said i have an idea um and i've been thinking about it and i I literally pulled off Instagram, you know, pictures and quotes. And, you know, I'm sure one of your quotes was on there, you know, and made this kind of pitch deck, which I'd never even done before.

47:25You know, and this is before ChatGPT, you know, to help you out. Absolutely. You can do it all on your own. And said, you know, and chatted with them for like 20 minutes. And before the call was over, they were like, this is this is great. we want to do it. Let's do this. So tell me about scalp to vag. Yeah. Well, first thing I want to talk about this woman. I wanted this woman to feel like she could have her dignity, that she could have agency over this time, that she was not lost. She was not done. Yeah. That her experiences amounted to something. She matters and that she should be able to hold her head high.

48:00And because of her wisdom and cumulative experiences. And it's a time for her to shine and be vibrant. She's earned her stripes. That title came to me when I was struggling to find it. And I was pitching the elevator pitch to a friend. And then I just thought, okay, stripes, that's what it is. It doesn't have to scream menopause, but this is what it is. So I thought, I want this woman to feel like she has education on her side. And I want her to have her community with her because we need our community at every point.

48:39Dr. Mary Claire Haver:So that is where I kind of walked out that weekend. Well, you know, I was invited to this kind of brand launch. Think tank. Think tank, you know, and I was a medical expert and there were multiple people there of different, you know, everyone. Expertise. Yeah. And so, but you were so focused on that woman sitting on the couch in Ohio. How can we serve her? Yeah. And sure, if she buys the products, great. That's great. But like you, I was just so impressed that you were so intent on building a community of making her feel special and welcome and not that this was the end of life for her. Yes. And or the beginning of the end.

49:13Yeah.

49:13Dr. Mary Claire Haver:You know, and I'll just, you know. It is different. It's different. And let's own that. That's okay. That's okay. And I, I mean, I had worked closely with lots of wonderful brands, but I felt like they were over promising. Beautiful ingredients, beautiful everything. you know this ideology that we can reverse time and you know or you can look 28 again yeah we don't want that actually anti-aging no um so yeah and and thank you for saying that it was absolutely crucial to me that this woman feels seen and um proud of everything that she's been through um and and yes hydrated very importantly with very targeted ingredients but also that she felt supported through her community and education was current.

50:05Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Did you ever think that you would say the word vagina so many times in public? And you remember this too, that I was like, the vagina stuff is off the table. I'm not going to say vagina. I'm not going to say dry vagina. I'm not going to do any of that. I was really nervous still, you know, but I guess you can't do things in half measures, can you? You've got to go there. Do your kids follow your accounts at all? Yes, they do. And they've been, they've had the ick with me. So many times. Mine too. Like they're super proud of me. And not now, of course, we've been doing this 10 years now. But in the beginning, like my mom's famous for talking about vaginas on social media, not in a way that is at all sexy, you know?

50:47Yeah. No, for sure. In the beginning, it was like, ew, mom, no way. And then, you know, saying, well, you'll never, you'll never get in Sephora. If you're talking about vibrators or lube or any of that, no way. And I said, well, I don't know, actually. And, you know, now we see vibrators being sold at Urban Outfitters and lube everywhere and Target, Sephora, Alter, you know, all of these places. But when you started, when you conceived this brand, you saw a gap in the market. Yeah, I did. I saw that this woman had been left out and not spoken to directly or honestly.

51:27Dr. Mary Claire Haver:People come up to you on the street because they saw you in a movie or a part or something, but that's changing. That wave is changing for you too. Thank you so much. You've really helped me. How does that feel? It feels so meaningful. Not that the other stuff isn't still meaningful, but I think as I've gotten older, I just have enjoyed that shift of being useful to other women. And yeah, I still think that being showing up in different characters and reflecting someone else's story that, you know, an audience member is going to connect with, that's also useful. But the newness of being stopped in the street and having a woman not ask for my picture but looking me in the eye, down the barrel and saying, thank you for giving me permission to open a dialogue with my partner, with my children, with my boss.

52:26You know, it's been really helpful. And, you know, that brings me a lot of joy, a lot of it makes me feel not just useful, but purposeful.

52:38Dr. Mary Claire Haver:So you were just, I think it just got released with Lena Dunham. you played was menopause written into the part yeah was that your idea and she no it wasn't she called me because she knew I was going to be okay with talking about menopause yeah and it's happened a few times now but that one was a direct uh hey Naomi um I've got this lady and she's wacky and she wants to talk about menopause now I actually haven't point blank asked her did she write it for me because or did did she think of me after she written it either way it has worked for me in my favor maybe it's you know hurt me in some ways too I don't know about those but women are really leaning in and they're loving it because it's so real and I think you were hot flashing you know on screen you know with the character all right let's talk about your book yes which was an honor to write the forward thank you so beautiful beautiful story but you this book has been in your mind for a long time.

53:37Yeah.

53:37Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Why didn't you write it when you first thought? I think the fear was just too great. I was, well, first of all, I'm not a writer. I, you know, that's my big fear. Then the big other big piece of fear is like, who wants to hear from you? And, um, also career suicide, like branding myself as the menopause lady. No way that that would just change everything. And I still hope to, you know, play leading lady roles. And so, yeah, but eventually carrying that fear, that secret for so long just gets exhausting. And yeah, then you meet certain people who give you enough encouragement along the way that help you out of that fear.

54:18Yeah. And then I realized, you know, okay, I'm past the average age of menopause, which is what? 50, 51. 50, 51. Yeah. So it's okay for you to be.

54:30Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Yeah. I'm allowed. Guess what? I like how you said, you know, you had books for infertility. You had books for puberty. You had, you know, books to help you with your kids going through different phases of life. What to expect when you're expecting and like what to expect when you're never going to expect again. Where's that book? No, it wasn't there. And you also brought in lots of experts, you know. Oh, yeah. No, no. I always knew that I can do only so much of this. And like with the brand, And, you know, I needed the backup and the endorsement from, you know, the people that have devoted their lives to taking care of people.

55:05And what kind of feedback have you gotten on the book? Well, it's a New York Times bestseller. Yes. Yes, that was wonderful. The feedback has been amazing. Again, those moments where people stop me on the street or in the airport or something, that's so meaningful. But I wanted this story to be not just useful, but like palatable, you know, expert driven through, you know, conversations with people like you and then other women sharing their stories and, you know, some things like how to's and but also hopefully levity, some humor. It was funny. I laughed out loud. There are moments that are truly undignified.

55:48But hey, it's just biology. You know, we feel less awful about it ourselves if we know that somebody else has had been down that road and coped and survived and found ways to walk through it. So, yeah, that's that's ultimately why I did it in the end.

56:07Dr. Mary Claire Haver:What do you think is next for you? What's your next big horizon? You've got the book. Check the brand. Check. It's growing. Yeah. What's new coming out for Stripes? Yeah, we're launching. a new product. I think, oh, the book is now in paperback. In February. In February. We're launching a new product of Body Butter. And that's exciting. We're always social listening, trying to understand what else this woman wants, you know, not just in hydration, what she needs. You know, we're finding that these in real, you know, IRL, I'm learning my acronyms, in real life, you know, like connectivity, you know, like these events are just, yeah, people love them.

56:52Pulling, pulling people together. Yeah. Lifting each other up, sharing their stories, more of that in terms of Stripes. I don't know about writing another book. I felt like that was a lot. I, you are very productive. Yeah, I know.

57:09Dr. Mary Claire Haver:I like the manuscript is in. I mean, and I'm already pregnant with the next book, you know, like I haven't even given birth. Oh, no, you are on number four. Oh, geez. I just I want to I want to I want to explore longevity. Yeah. You know, like menopause check, but menopause is one day medically. But how do we had this last 30 years? What is the blueprint? I think we're all invested in that and take the bro science out of it. Yeah. To be honest, you know, not all studies can be applied to women. and really lean in on what do we know about women, women living longer. Yeah. We are living longer, but when we look at the statistics, we live 20 % of our lives in poor health than our male counterparts.

57:52Dr. Mary Claire Haver:I'm seeing it in my parents' generation. I'm very focused because my mom, Alzheimer's, fractured hip, osteoporosis, my grandmother, exact same thing. And I am refusing for that to be my, you know, I'm doing everything I can, but I will not allow that to be my daughter's reality. Right. You know, they deserve to live long, healthy, happy, full lives. But they don't want to live to 120. Do you? No, definitely not. A nice ripe old age, but I want to be functional. That said, I want to be functional. I had two grandmothers, one that lived to 99, just past her birthday, and one to 101. Amazing. And all the marbles in place, mercifully.

58:33My grandmother, my mother's side, she was living at home right up until the end.

58:40Dr. Mary Claire Haver:I mean, that's all I want, you know, be independent. Yeah. And have a fulfilled life. So to answer your question, I still have lots of energy. I still want to innovate. But I don't want to miss, you know, a moment, which I have seen happen to many of my parents' generations, you know, where they get done with lots of things and then they want to have time for themselves to travel and do, you know, adventurous, brilliant things. And then suddenly their health gets in the way. So I don't want to lose too much time. So to your point, I want to take care of my health. I'll never be not a doer. I'm my grandmother's daughter.

59:25Her work ethic is in me, get off your butt and get it done. You know, she's muck out the goats, feed the chickens, you know, all of that. And so I'm a busy bee. Um, that said, um, I want, you know, I want my kids to be content and off out into the world and be compassionate, empathetic, curious human beings. and I want some time with my husband. I want to travel and loaf around a bit too.

59:57Dr. Mary Claire Haver:We are empty nesters, totally. Yes. And we went to Norway for two weeks and went hiking with our best friends. I saw that. That's so great. Incredible. You know, we are trying, you know, we spent the summer in the mountains pretty much and just kind of just the two of us and we're... Yeah, so it's the balance. It's like, I know you, you're still going to be wanting to do move mountains. And I will too. But, but yeah, creating the balance is what it's all about. Enjoying this relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Cause Billy and I came into it late. We've got time to make up for it. We want to put some time on the clock.

1:00:32Dr. Mary Claire Haver:So if you could sit down with, with a woman just entering perimenopause, you know, I'm sure you're, you're, you're different, you know, you always get to work with different people. And so are you now the menopause person, the queen, they come to you and they ask your advice? I mean, I definitely do find my inbox flooding with questions about menopause from my industry because they know and have heard me bang on about it enough now. And it is like a little club where I welcome them in and try and be in ear and shoulder. And I set them up with doctors. Some I've led your way just for that conversation, Just like, you know, it's okay.

1:01:15Don't worry. Yeah, it's... But for the younger ones who are just getting there, like, you know, putting a toe in the water, what's your advice? I think collectively, everyone has created enough of a good network for the next generation, the millennials, and definitely Gen Z, to feel not daunted by what's ahead.

1:01:37Dr. Mary Claire Haver:And that's what I see on my social, is the audience is skewing younger and younger, and especially the new perimenopause. Yeah, you see these 20, they're not scared. They're curious. Yeah. They want to get ahead of this. Yeah. They're willing to talk about it. They are willing to invest in their own healthcare. They're willing to set themselves up for success and not just wait for the tide to crash over them. It's great for them. And I'm happy that I had a little piece of something to do with that. You were the first. But in my mind. I think we were all there. And collectively, we knew it had to be done.

1:02:11We've always been fascinated with the older generation, you know, like in storytelling. I remember growing up on Thelma and Louise and going, badasses, those ladies, you know, they were, you know, kicking butt and living life for themselves. And I want, you know, so they've always wanted to learn from us, the next generation. So it's just menopause was never part of the conversation. Right. So hopefully, yes, we have been instrumental in shifting that narrative and bringing them in with less fear.

1:02:46Dr. Mary Claire Haver:Yeah. So menopause often feels like society wants us to hit pause, okay, and go off in the corner and get the knitting needles and become more invisible. And we're not doing that. This is our time to unpause. So what are you doing in your life besides writing books, starting companies, building brands, building communities. Yeah. I mean, I really just want to make sure that travel, I've always been someone who likes to travel. That's a big part of my picture. Getting my kids in a place. Well, I mean, it never ends. Your daughter's right outside. And the parenting is never done. And the worry is never, I'm sure, are going to go away.

1:03:31But I think just more of the same, but maybe not at such a speed. And I definitely have been guilty of that. I need to slow the pace a bit.

1:03:44Dr. Mary Claire Haver:So that's definitely a goal of mine. Well, I'm so happy to have talked to you today on Unpaused. And good luck with everything. I can't wait to see all your new projects come out. And everybody grab your paperback copy of Dare I Say it in February. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. As a reminder to our audience, you can follow Naomi on Instagram at Naomi Watts or at Stripes Beauty or on their website at stripesbeauty.com. Naomi's book, Dare I Say It, is currently available in hardback and the paperback edition will be released in February. I'd love to hear from you about this topic or anything else that's on your mind.

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