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1:23These calls were obtained 100 % legally in one-party consent states. I'm holding my own comment on this until the next episode.

1:34There's this stupid podcast person who, like, does investigative stuff on missing people, and he started doing this podcast about Joseph. well it's turned into this ridiculously crazy deal where they're on this app and everybody's talking about they're just dragging all of us through the dirt the piscoyas of jake saying that we all did it to him and that we're all murderers and part of the mafia and that graham's a mafia person and we should all lose our job i mean it's bad it's all over the internet they've taken pictures from our facebook uh interviews from that time and they're posting all this stuff using it against us and using our pictures without our permission and everything.

2:17Seeing that we're the one who beat Joseph disappear.

2:24That's... I don't know what we're going to do about it yet. Graham's thinking about maybe a lawyer to sue the guy for... What do they call that? Defamation of character and harassment and everything else. He doesn't know anything. This guy doesn't even know anything. He's just making all this stuff up and dragging everybody to the dirt about it. He's got pictures of our family and this whole podcast and everything that he's stolen off of Facebook.

2:55I mean, like pictures of us flying, looking for Joseph, family pictures. He shot our bill of sale from when we sold the airplane, which... Yeah, I don't know how you get that. Who cares? I mean, I'm sure it's public information, but what does that have to do with anything? Yeah. it's just he's got all of our pictures of a squad looking for joseph but he's saying that we're the ones who killed joseph and we're the ones who are to blame for the whole thing and that's why they haven't found him because we're hiding him and we're all part of the scoya mafia and everything it's crazy they're saying there are people saying that graham is the matriarch of this whole mafia family and when kevin died was the other rumor in the room i guess there's this chat now people are talking about this whole case and one of the things they said was when kevin died there was a suicide note and in that suicide note was kevin saying that he killed joseph which is total BS.

4:02I mean, they're just making up a whole bunch of stuff for entertainment. And they don't care what it's doing to all of us. Now, his heart blew up. He had a massive heart failure. And Dude and Jake are the ones that found, and Russell were the ones who found Kevin. There's no suicide note there. No. But I mean, they're talking about you and Chris being drunk and Chris he had a affair with Joseph it's just this long, drawn out thing where we're just we're so stressed about this whole thing I don't know what to do about it Especially because Jake was his roommate so therefore they think he did it or he did something Yeah, in Graham's house, they lived in the same house Graham's old house is where Jake was staying and so was Joseph.

4:55Each had a room. But the police cleared everything already. Everybody has alibis for where everybody was. He went missing. There's so many rumors. It's so hurtful. It's really bad. It's really bad. We haven't been sleeping very much because they're just... The stuff they're saying is really bad. It's so bad yesterday I told Graham, I said you need to find a lawyer you just this corporation or library this podcast for deprivation of character or false accusations or slanders yeah, of course all of it is fake the only thing about Kevin suicide that's dumb one thing he said was Kevin was bragging about how he was an ex-cop and he knows how to get rid of evidence and when we when he got to the joseph's truck he um dusted off joseph's footprints and he didn't even go down there and that happened well kevin and i were together when we went that first day we went to the ranger to help look for him.

6:15He did nothing of that sort. He didn't strike. They think that they're saying that he crushed away Joseph's footprints. It's just so dumb. And, you know, people are talking about, well, all the Piscoyas have great prominent jobs. And, you know, like Graham is the vice president of Cork. Dude's in security. Lonnie's in charge of this investigation. and keep it great where all these all these miscellaneous need to be put on leave until they come up with you know whatever they already closed the case he's a missing person there's no everybody was cleared we all had alibis where everybody was we were at camp all of us we were all at camp building that addition that day we saw him drive by if you went missing a day later and we never saw actually who was in that truck remember we all wondered why he didn't stop to say hi yeah we were working on the building on the new edition yeah but this guy doesn't know any of us he's just making it and this is entertainment for him this is what his podcast does he finds things that make stories out of them and he just slanders people he knows absolutely nothing about he's taking pictures from our facebook and posting him on this thing saying this is who this is this who this is and and you know our pictures are all over this guy's thing now which i think that's illegal i don't think you can take people's pictures and use them without their consent maybe i can't but i don't think so and then these people get together on this app and they discuss the podcast and you don't know who they are because they're all like they're not real names or anonymous and they're the ones talking a whole bunch of stuff about this podcast and some of them are known people and it's just ridiculous it's been really bad Jake's so sad Jake's pretty upset upset no you did I haven't done it it just makes me so mad it's just wild the podcast they used for your dad's interview and posted that on the podcast right in front of it.

8:37Remember that cop interviewed us at our house to just ask us how we were helping and all that stuff and it was like that investigator guy, he came and interviewed him on the couch at the house and then later he asked if he could use that and we told him no, we don't want you to use our interviews. Well, whoever that cop guy was must have used them because they're out there online and they've got it. Because, you know, Joseph is missing and then that girl, Florence,

9:15is missing also and has been missing and not a trace of her. So this guy that does the podcast, it's like, well, those two people are missing and absolutely nothing has come up with their cases. There's got to be... Like a serial killer a gnome or something. You are a gnome and nobody's saying anything. Which there very may well be. I mean, there's been a lot of people gone missing at gnome, but... It's so bad. I don't know. I'm sure it would make me bad. He just started, like, right a few months ago. He just started this podcast because there's been still people looking for Florence. So, because there's no answers...

9:58He decided to make a podcast about it just recently and started this whole thing up. For entertainment, for viewing, for viewers, so he has viewers on his podcast. I kind of think that Joseph's sister, Selena, is also behind this because they, you know, never been to Alaska, never stepped through it out of the turn right anywhere until Joseph went busy. He doesn't understand. He found the bears. When we flew that first day, he found 29 bears. In that area. In that area. But Selena, just as the sheriff, no, that kept me in there. Somebody that did something to him. It does something. And, of course, we were all close to him, so we're the prime suspect, I guess.

10:49Sometimes they do. Sometimes they bury him. And, you know, it's such a big area. Who knows where he was buried? We just couldn't find him. I'm sure he's out there buried somewhere. We just don't know where. They do it immediately. They bury him immediately. Yep, they do. Especially if they had just eaten. They're going to bury him. Come back to it later. Come back to it later. That's what they do, but... Yeah, it's... I don't know. It's wild. It's... It's... She'll send you the guy's name so you can look it up. I don't know what that app is, though. About that app, but... You don't want to read that.

11:25It's bad. I told Julius that you just need to stop reading that. I don't want to waste any more time and hurt a gun this because it's so bad. I think they're trying to get a ride out of us to see what we'll do, to see if we'll respond to them. We don't have to get enough. They're trying to call Jake. Harassing Jake. Jake's getting all kinds of harassing messages from people saying he's a piece of shit. Where is Joseph? What do you do with him? It's really bad. And this just started like a month ago. Somebody saw a podcast of this person, of this guy, talking about the missing people in Nome, and then it got spun off onto Joseph, and it's gone crazy ever since then.

12:13So now everybody's sharing it in Nome, on Nome Post, or whatever, they're talking about it, so now everybody's into it, looking at it. It's become the way to gossip, I guess. But she'll send you the guy's picture, name, or whatever, if you want to look it up. I'm not too worried about it, because I know what we all did, and I know we just helped, and we helped look for him, and we spent a lot of time and money doing it. This guy's just an idiot, and I think he should be sued for lying and for trying to scare people. That's not right. I think he should be sued for it. Especially nowadays, you probably could win a lawsuit.

12:48like that. He probably doesn't have any money though, that's probably the deal. I know how you get paid for podcasts, probably by viewers or something. But he's been sued before for doing these same kind of things about cases he knew nothing about, just to have an entertaining channel with viewers.

13:10Crazy. What's going on with that?

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13:36We talked to a lawyer about him for defamation of character, slander and stealing our photos and everything else. and the lawyer wants$10 ,000 up front to even start, and he said we wouldn't win anyway because of the freedom of speech rules. He says anybody can say anything they want about anybody else these days, and we can't do anything about it. So we can't afford the lawyer. We can't do anything. But he's kind of stopped doing this stuff because we haven't responded to anything. I think that's what he's wanting us to do is go after him and respond to keep his podcast going, and we're not. So he's kind of stopped going on with it.

14:08So maybe eventually he's going to be over with it because he doesn't have any truth on anything. He's just lying through this. He's just slandering us and lying to everybody about everybody. Oh, my gosh. He's saying that we're tracking him on Alaska Airlines, where he goes, and that I'm looking at the manifest to tell people where he goes, which I have no – I can't look at the manifest. I have no idea who's on our flights. I'm not allowed to. Nope, all I see is numbers. I don't see the names. I just see numbers, and that's it. I can't do that. I'm not allowed to. Just a crew, but not passengers.

14:38years so oh man he's saying it's just not so all the stuff he's put on there i know i refuse to give the time of day till he's been telling me and other people are what dad are but i won't go through any of it because i won't give him the time of day because i know he's all it's all lies because i know what our family did i know what we did he's just doing this to get his podcast going so he makes money off this stupid podcast. He's just, he's a piece of shit. It's horrible. It's just bad. You know, we didn't do anything to it. We were trying to help. We were trying to help the guy, help the family.

15:20You were there through the whole thing too. Do you remember what we did for that guy and his family? Oh, yeah, it was so long ago. It was crazy.

15:31I don't know I don't remember I don't remember why idiot took a break on doing podcasts I guess well he stopped for like uh two weeks or something to I don't know if he's taking a break or what and then I don't know when he starts it up again but um Jake's probably gonna have to change his number because he keeps harassing Chrissy and Jake on the phone constantly trying to get him, calling him, trying to get him to interview. We're not giving this idiot the time of day. He's threatening to come up and start trouble on all this stuff. He's probably going to end up changing his phone number, put a restraining order on him.

16:17This guy's crazy. He's not a cop. He's not even a a real investigator. He's just a blogger running off these things that he does to people. Oh yeah, he spent 10 years harassing this other family in Alaska of a missing case. I think it was over in Toke somewhere or something. And he was assured that this guy murdered this guy and he harassed him just like he's doing with up there in Nome. Went after this guy, did all the same kind of stuff. They sued him, everything, and then 10 years later, the real killer came out and said, no, this guy had nothing to do with it. I did it. It was in Alaska. It was another missing persons case up in Alaska that he was working on for a long time.

17:04And then it ended up coming out. It had nothing to do with the people that he was blaming for it. The real guy stood up and went to jail for it. and these people sued him for defamation of character and everything else because he just makes money off of all his lies when he has no evidence and no nothing to support any of it and his his viewers just sit there and eat it up and he makes money on it and he gets away with it it's just crazy because i think it would make me too mad to know that there's some idiot out there he's totally lying about us and there's nothing i can do about it because of freedom of speech i do but that's what he's wanting from our family he's wanting us to take the bait and go after him because that keeps his podcast going and that keeps all this money coming in for him so we've all made the decision up there you know that we're not gonna go out we're not gonna acknowledge this guy we're not gonna you know go in there and start writing a bunch of stuff because that's what he wants that's what he's edging up to do he's trying to get us to to take the bait and go after him so because he's got tons of lawyers he's got lots of money he can do this all day long i mean we tried to get a lawyer and it was over ten thousand dollars just to retain the guy and then the guy says yeah you guys won't win because it's not illegal what he's doing you can say whatever he wants about somebody it's not illegal so it's like well you can't really do a lawyer because it doesn't do any good you can say whatever you want about somebody days and you can't do anything about it yeah we were up in up in home we were uh we all got together and talked about it we got a lawyer on the phone and on a zoom meeting with a lawyer and there's all of us with a lawyer he's really only going after chrissy and jake and then because he thinks those two are the ones that have done this whole thing even though the fbi the alaska state troopers everybody cleared everybody in our family a long time ago after all those interviews with us they cleared us all because we all had alibis of what we were doing where we all were doing it had nothing to do with us and that's why the case was closed because there's no evidence of anything he probably got taken out by a bear somewhere but this guy won't agree with that i don't know why somebody would want to hurt him he was such a nice person i mean you met him you knew him he was a nice guy i don't know anybody would want to do anything to him it just doesn't make any sense To me, what makes sense is he's running on a ridge with no gun, no bear spray, and he's in the most populated bear area around, and he goes missing.

19:37I mean, that happens all the time with bears and stuff. I just don't know why anybody would want to hurt him or what he would have done to somebody. The reason they're doing it is because there's a lot of people that know him that are very jealous of the Pascoya family because they're successful. They're a successful native family. all their brothers you know are successful they're all successful they're all got good jobs and people have nothing better to do a gnome except gossip about everybody else and that thread that everybody's on whatever they call that thread nobody knows who it is because you're in there as a fake name so it could be anybody there they say oh yeah i can say whatever i want now and spread gossip because nobody knows it's me on this site i think that's what's happening that people are just have nothing better to do but gossip.

20:26There's one person in Nome and they live out by Snake River, but she's the only one who stood up for the family and said stuff to us and said stuff on that deal for us and to help us. She's the only one. Everybody else is just gossip, gossip, gossip. We went through our Facebooks and we cleaned out so many people that we don't ever talk to. I mean, people somehow knew when we came up to Nome for to go hunting they saw us at the airport all of a sudden there there was talk on that thing whatever that what i'm upset about is that guy took a photo of me and bonnie getting on the flight in la to go to gnome to say hey we're heading up to gnome you're seeing there you know a picture we did and he turned it into oh they knew i was coming to gnome and he has the manifest so he saw me coming and warned everybody i was coming to know he took the picture of us off facebook and put it on his webcast, I guess.

21:22Pain. Yeah, the pain dude. He used our picture off our Facebook, which I don't know how he can take our photos off Facebook when they're private. I think that was before we blocked them all. Blocked everything. I found him and blocked him. I blocked all his businesses that he works with, media businesses. I blocked everything, so he can't get into any. Everybody has. We've all blocked everything about him. Cannot get into our Facebooks now. everybody's made their facebook private which a lot of people didn't have done before but he turned that around like we knew he was coming to know him and warned the town he was coming it's like i don't know who this guy is i don't even know what he looks like for one thing i don't know where he lives and i cannot access anything of the manifest at alaska airlines i all i get on my ipad is the number of passengers in a numerical form 175 is all i see of the people i can't see the names i'd have to log on at the counter to do what the cas csa's do and i don't have that login information i'm not even allowed to touch those computers so he he was saying that he he said which he claimed he did that he went to alaska airlines to tell them that i was in the manifest telling noam that this guy was coming up and that he was going to get me in trouble and he was looking at Tom, too, about doing the same thing and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

22:47Well, he never did because Alaska Airlines never said a thing to me about it. They never called me about it. They never emailed me about it. And then he said he turned it all over to the FAA, which the FAA can't do anything about it. And I'm not worried about it. That's why I don't – what pisses me off is this guy is making money off of ruining people's reputation for his own game. and that's what's wrong and that's what we can't do anything about. We've got to let it run its course and be done because people are already starting to get tired of it because he has no new information because we're not giving him new information.

23:23We're not going after him. We're not saying a word. So it's just kind of going dead. And I think he's given up, hopefully. You told me there was never anything recovered from Joseph. No, there wasn't. How was his credit card used? two weeks after he went missing.

24:11I don't know. Maybe someone had his card. Maybe someone stole his card. Yeah, I have no idea on that one. I always wondered if he was in witness protection or something. You dropped this bomb on me that the family was involved. You were interviewed eight years ago and never mentioned it to me. We never heard about it until just recently. This guy popped up out of nowhere and started doing... He started with that girl who went missing on the beach also. We did that eight years ago. No, the reason they interviewed us eight years ago when it happened is because we were all friends with Joseph, and he was friends with our family, so we agreed to do interviews to make sure that we all were good and that we weren't involved in any of it, which we weren't, and that's why we chose to voluntarily do the interviews with the FBI and the police.

25:02Why'd you lie to the investigator about the day you saw the truck? I didn't lie to the investigator. okay we saw a blue car go by down there I don't know if it was Saturday or Sunday there were two blue cars I remember of the same kind in Nome there were two of those exact vehicles in Nome and I know when Kevin and I were working on the building we saw that one car go by and we waved and we thought it was him I don't know if there was another one that went by on Sunday because we were working at camp that whole weekend.

25:44That's eight years ago. How am I supposed to remember exact details from eight years ago when we haven't been dealing with it in eight years? We know we had nothing to do with him going missing because we were busy that weekend. We were working. We didn't even see him that weekend except for the car drive by. well join the rest of us because we're all confused too because we don't understand why all of a sudden eight years later this guy decides he's gonna get on a missing persons case and then try to ruin everybody's life for no reason when there's there is no evidence of anything which was already done and cleared way before eight years ago we were all cleared and we did all this voluntarily we didn't even have to do these interviews we did it all voluntarily to help try to find him that's why we did it and the and the actually the the interviews we did were supposed to be um what do they call it or you can't reread them or whatever what do they call that where you're not incognito but they weren't supposed to be public made public they were supposed to be private interviews that's why we agreed to do that and somehow whoever that idiot was who interviewed We just leaked them out to this guy, and this guy's got them all without our permission.

27:02So that might actually be illegal. I don't know. So you guys weren't involved in any way? No, of course not. Why would we even want to hurt Joseph? He was our friend. He was a friend of the family. Why would we want to hurt him for any reason whatsoever? We helped his family. We treated his family like family when they came up here. I mean, we spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars flying around looking for him, trying to do stuff to help any way we could. I mean, you know our family. You know we're not people that would do anything bad like that. We'd have no reason to do something like that.

27:41Nobody would. Why did Jake lie to the cops? He was very scared because he lived with Joseph. And he was young and he was scared. They were probably doing some pot and stuff in there. And I think he was, like she even said later, he was just really scared that everything was going to get pinned on him because he was a roommate. And that's why he originally lied, but told the truth after that. And he was even cleared. Was he involved with drugs? He smoked pot when he was up there.

28:15But yeah, he hasn't done pot in a really long time. But when he was a teenager, he did a little bit. Why aren't you guys protesting and trying to say your side of the story? Well, we really want to, and we would love to go after this guy and prove that he's a fraud, which a lot of other people have already done. But we can't afford it. We can't afford the lawyer. I mean, Carol was going to pay for most of it, and she can't even afford this lawyer to do what we need to do. This guy is huge. He's got massive backing behind him. He makes millions off his podcasts sitting on the East Coast, and he comes over and he just does missing persons cases because he wants to think he's an investigator.

28:58And he tries to do all this stuff, and he's never even proven anything in any of his podcast stories about anything. He's never done anything to prove that he's right. He's always been wrong on everything, and he just ruins people's lives, but we don't have the money to fight it. It costs too much. Lawyers are way too much money. and he would fall up in court so long and we just nobody can afford to do it so we just agreed well you know none of us have anything to hide our family did nothing so let him say what he wants you know if we don't go after him and we don't sit there and keep this whole thing going which is what he wants to do because that keeps his listeners listening and it keeps the money flowing we just shut up about it it'll just go away and that's it's starting to do that finally because he has no new stuff to go off of.