Up and Vanished Weekly | UNRESOLVED: Elisa Lam

24 Sep 2025 · 50 min

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Up and Vanished Weekly: UNRESOLVED - Elisa Lam

Podcast Overview Host: Payne Lindsey Co-Host: Maggie Freeling Episode Focus: The mysterious case of Elisa Lam, a 21-year-old college student who disappeared under unusual circumstances after checking into the Cecil Hotel in Los Angeles in January 2013.

Episode Summary Background

  • Elisa Lam's Journey:
  • Born in Vancouver, Canada, Elisa was a first-generation Chinese-Canadian college student diagnosed with bipolar disorder and depression.
  • In January 2013, Elisa embarked on a solo trip along the west coast of the United States, seeking adventure and rediscovery.

Disappearance

  • Initial Days at Cecil Hotel:
  • Checked into the Cecil Hotel on January 28, 2013.
  • Exhibited erratic behavior, leading to her being moved from shared accommodations to a private room.
  • Noted strange actions, such as leaving threatening notes and wandering the hotel.

Search Efforts

  • Missing Person Report:
  • Last seen on January 31, 2013, after leaving a bookstore.
  • When she failed to check out as planned, her parents reported her missing.

Discovery of Remains

  • Body Found:
  • On February 19, 2013, a maintenance worker discovered Elisa's body in a water tank after complaints of low water pressure.
  • Circumstances surrounding her death raised numerous questions.

Key Evidence Security Footage

  • Elevator Video:
  • The eerie footage showed Elisa acting erratically, pressing buttons, and appearing distressed.
  • The video became viral, leading to various interpretations and theories about her state and potential interactions.

Investigation Findings

  • Autopsy and Toxicology:
  • Her death was ruled accidental drowning with no signs of foul play, and toxicology reports indicated low levels of prescribed medication.
  • The investigation suggested that Elisa may have entered the water tank alive but was unable to escape due to its design.

Theories and Speculations

  • Mental Health Impact:
  • Discussed the potential impact of her mental health struggles on her behavior and decisions leading up to her death.
  • Family members believed her erratic behavior matched previous episodes when she had not been taking her medication.
  • Paranormal Speculations:
  • Some theories suggested that supernatural elements could have played a role due to the hotel's haunted reputation and Elisa's peculiar behavior captured on video.
  • Shane Pittman, a paranormal investigator, discussed his views on the supernatural and how they relate to mental health.

Discussion Points Mental Health and Stigma

  • The episode emphasizes the importance of understanding mental health issues and the need for compassion towards those struggling.

The Role of the Environment

  • The Cecil Hotel's notorious history and its impact on the narrative surrounding Elisa's disappearance were central to the discussion.

Investigative Challenges

  • The investigation faced challenges due to the intertwining of mental health and environmental factors, complicating the narrative surrounding Elisa's death.

Conclusion and Reflections

  • The episode wraps up by addressing the ongoing quest for answers regarding Elisa Lam's tragic death and the impact of mental health on her life.
  • Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the importance of mental health awareness and the complexities surrounding such cases.

Listener Resources

  • For those facing mental health emergencies, listeners are directed to contact the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988.

Final Note

  • The episode concludes with an invitation to tune in for future episodes, continuing the exploration of unresolved cases in true crime.

Additional Links

  • Learn more about the podcast and find more episodes: [Tenderfoot TV](https://tenderfoot.tv)
  • Follow Up and Vanished on Instagram: [UAV Weekly](https://instagram.com/UAVWeekly)

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2:29Hey y 'all, welcome to another episode of Up and Vanish Weekly. I'm Maggie Freeling. I remember the first big trip I took with my friends. We had just graduated and the world was our oyster. We drove from Massachusetts to Texas, and I had never left the Northeast. It was the trip of a lifetime. That's how Elisa Lam felt. The 21-year-old was planning to leave Canada and travel the west coast of the United States. She was angsty and restless and wanted to explore. But what was supposed to be the trip of a lifetime ended in disaster when Elisa vanished without explanation. Weeks later, she was eventually found, deceased.

3:15But the circumstances surrounding her death and disappearance have left many wondering. What happened in the moments leading up to Elisa Lam's death?

3:29It's the morning of February 19th, 2013 in downtown Los Angeles. Residents and staff of the Cecil Hotel are just beginning their day. Inside, the front desk is especially busy. Over the last few days, multiple reports of low water pressure in the units have been coming in. The hotel dispatches a maintenance worker to check the water tanks. located on the roof of the building. The hotel has four water tanks, each measuring 10 feet high and holding a thousand gallons of water. The tanks supply both guest rooms, as well as an on-site kitchen and coffee shop. As the maintenance worker climbs up and begins his inspection, something immediately stands out.

4:17The maintenance hatch on one of the tanks appears to be open. He makes his way towards the open hatch and looks inside. What he sees is horrifying. It's the body of a young woman, floating in water only feet below the hatch. After arriving on scene, it does not take long for authorities to identify the woman as 21-year-old Elisa Lamb. Elisa had been reported missing from the Cecil Hotel three weeks earlier. But with one mystery solved, police must now piece together another. Did Elisa willingly go into the water tank? Or did someone, or something, send her to a watery grave?

5:27From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, this is Up and Vanish Weekly with Payne Lindsay and Maggie Freeling.

5:37Elisa Lam was first-generation Chinese-Canadian, born and raised in Vancouver. She attended the University of British Columbia and was described by friends and acquaintances as friendly, bubbly, and outgoing. But Elisa had recently been diagnosed with bipolar disorder and depression. She was struggling along with her family to understand what was happening. Elisa wrote about it on her blog. I feel I'm wasting my time compared to my fellow peers. I had a relapse at the start of the term and had to drop two of the three courses I was taking. Now I'm down to one course and I have missed three weeks of classes.

6:19Elisa had not taken a course since summer of 2012. She was prescribed multiple medications. But treating serious mental illness is a process. Elisa still felt restless and aimless. She wrote on her blog, I must travel for sanity. I'm freaking 21 now. My youth is fading and I haven't even lived. So in 2013, she packed up and left for San Diego to start a solo adventure around California. Kind of like a way to rediscover herself and figure out what she wants to do in life. Elisa checked in with her parents every day. She also checked in with her blogs. She announced she had made it to California and was looking for recommendations.

7:06At first, everything seemed to be going in a positive direction. Elisa was in a good place. But based on what's been reported not long after she arrived in L.A., things went downhill.

7:30Alisa arrived in LA and checked into the Cecil Hotel on January 28th. Alisa started acting strangely not long after check-in. Alisa was sharing her room with several other women, who would eventually report threatening behavior to hotel management. According to the women, Elisa had been leaving threatening notes on their beds, and at one point, locked the women out of the room. Eventually, Elisa was moved to a private room. Also during her stay, Elisa attended a taping of a late-night television show, but according to police, was escorted out by security for acting erratically. On January 31st, the last day Elisa was seen alive, she spent the morning at a local bookstore, purchasing gifts for her family.

8:25According to the bookstore manager, nothing seemed out of the ordinary. But later that day, something appeared to be significantly wrong with Elisa. Hotel staff noticed her wandering the hotel, at times screaming out. At one point, management had to intervene after Elisa entered a restricted area of the hotel. After being redirected by staff, Elisa made her way towards a bank of elevators. The following day, Elisa was scheduled to leave LA and travel to Santa Cruz, but she never checked out. Her parents, who were accustomed to speaking with Elisa daily, were now growing worried. They had not heard from their daughters since January 30th.

9:13Fearing the worst, they called the LAPD and reported Elisa missing.

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11:40She was also suffering from depression. So sometimes her posts are a bit melancholic, but I would say nothing particularly alarming. It looks like a typical angsty youth blog to me. Things are copacetic until Elisa checks into the infamous Hotel Cecil in downtown Los Angeles. The Hotel Cecil, or the Cecil Hotel as it's become known, has a long and sordid history. One which Elisa likely did not know because the hotel she checked into wasn't actually called the Cecil. It was renamed as part of a rebrand to get away from the shadow cast over the Cecil. The Hotel Cecil opened in 1927 as a 700-room luxury hotel.

12:31The former manager described it as sort of the Titanic of hotels. If you've seen American Horror Story Hotel, it's loosely based on the Cecil. But over the years, the Cecil became a shell of its former self, and the reputation it gained as the Suicide Hotel didn't help. Starting in 1931, a guest died by suicide in his room after taking poison capsules, triggering a series of suicides through the 40s and 50s. The Cecil changed from a classy hotel to a budget dive. Then, in 1964, a well-liked, long-term resident of the hotel named Pigeon Goldie was found raped and murdered in her room, giving the Cecil the more nefarious reputation it has today.

13:20Into the 80s and 90s, as the war on drugs raged, the 50 city blocks surrounding the Cecil became increasingly dangerous. The neighborhood known as Skid Row was targeted as a place to condense marginalized populations into. People released from prison, jail, or psychiatric hospitals were dropped off in this neighborhood, away from the rest of L.A. Today, Skid Row is home to the largest stable unhoused population in the country. According to 2024 statistics, there are nearly 3 ,800 people experiencing homelessness on Skid Row, with about half of them unsheltered. They live in tent cities of tarps, blankets, and boxes.

14:08Others live in shelters. And the few remaining single-room occupancy hotels like the Cecil. Perhaps not surprisingly, as the neighborhood destabilized, it attracted crime and violence, and the Cecil became the residence of multiple serial killers, including Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. Ramirez is said to have committed 14 murders while living at the Cecil. Austrian serial killer Jack Unterwerger also stayed at the Cecil. While there, he killed at least three women. Amy Price, the former manager of the hotel, claimed she witnessed 80 deaths in the 10 years she worked there. But again, Elisa wasn't staying in the Cecil.

14:54She was staying at a chic hostel called the Stay on Main. It was indeed the Cecil, but it was rebranded in 2011, while half of the hotel remained the Cecil, a place for long-term, low-income residents, and stays with the seedy history attached. The stay on Main was the other side, a completely separate hotel on separate floors from the Cecil. But there was one caveat. All of the guests used the same elevator. And it was inside one of these elevators that investigators would find a truly bizarre and the only piece of evidence.

15:36By the time police arrived to search Elisa's hotel room, housekeeping had already been through. They had bagged up her personal belongings left behind, including her computer, a wallet, and medications. According to police, the room had been left in disarray, but there was no sign of foul play, nor forced entry. Scent tracking dogs were brought into the hotel, searching all floors, including the roof. According to reports, while inside the hotel, the dogs were able to hit on Elisa's scent, tracking it back to her room. At one point, one of the dogs led police to a large window overlooking the street and leading to a fire escape.

16:26An autopsy revealed no injuries that would point to foul play, and no illicit substances were found in the toxicology report. During this time, police were also reviewing security camera footage of the hotel around the time Elisa went missing. In particular, one haunting video stood out to investigators. A camera inside one of the hotel's elevators had captured Elisa on January 31st, the night she went missing. In the video, Elisa seems to be acting erratically, mashing elevator buttons, and even appearing to communicate with someone. The door remained open throughout Elisa's time appearing in the video.

17:13At one point, she is seen peering out fearfully into the corridor, only to move back into the elevator and hide in the corner. Eventually, Elisa exited the elevator and disappeared from view. Two weeks into the investigation, authorities make the decision to release a portion of the video taken in the elevator in hopes of securing new leads. The video quickly goes viral and leads internet sleuths to propose the question, could supernatural forces possibly be responsible for the disappearance of Elisa Lam?

18:01The video of Elisa Lam in the hotel elevator is something you have to see for yourself. Anyone who watches the video has a different interpretation of what they see, making the possibilities of what happened to Elisa endless. Some believe they see a shoe in the video, indicating someone is outside of the elevator. And it's also interesting that the elevator door doesn't shut at all. It doesn't even attempt. So some people wonder if a person is outside the elevator holding a button, keeping it open. And if there was, was this someone Elisa was with? Did she know them? Did they do something to her?

18:44Remember, anyone in the stay on Main or the Cecil could use the same elevator. Perhaps one of the Cecil guests harmed Elisa. It wouldn't be the first time in the Cecil hotel. Or maybe someone following Elisa's blog. Investigators explored the idea of someone on the internet stalking Elisa. she was reaching out, asking for recommendations. People also wonder if the behavior Elisa displayed in the elevator may indicate she was running from someone. She seems like she's hiding at points, and she's definitely in distress. And Elisa was found naked in the water tower. Her clothes were at the bottom of the tank, implying that someone else did something to her body.

19:32Yet there is no evidence anyone hurt or killed Elisa, nor any evidence she was put in the water tank by someone else. So that leaves us to Elisa. Elisa seemed excited about life, but she was dealing with a new mental health diagnosis. And Elisa's family said she had a history of not taking her medication. And she's had hallucinations and paranoia after that. Elisa's family also said she wound up in the hospital after not taking her medication in the past. Elisa's death was ruled undetermined and later changed to an accident. Her cause of death was drowning. She entered the tank alive. Toxicology reports didn't find any drugs or alcohol in Elisa's system, and her autopsy revealed only trace amounts of her medication.

20:30suggesting she was not taking them consistently, despite having recently filled her prescriptions. So was Elisa off her medication and seeing things? It's very possible. Her diagnosis was new and very serious. She was still working through everything. And often, when someone takes medication and it helps and they feel better, which it's supposed to, that can also lead people to have a false sense of being better. And so they can stop taking medication. That's a very common situation. And perhaps Elisa was high on life, feeling great about her vacation, and decided to stop taking her medication.

21:13I completely feel that. The medications Elisa was on also have pretty major side effects. And many people also choose not to take them because of that. So let's say she was disoriented and walked to the roof. Officials said the doors were locked and triggered by alarms. So how could she get to the roof? Dogs traced her scent to a fire escape on the fifth floor, which led to the roof, indicating that it's possible she went up that way. And many can't help but think, considering the Cecil is known as one of the most haunted hotels in the world, that perhaps the answer isn't something we can fully comprehend.

21:56Some believe Elisa was playing a paranormal game in the elevator known as the elevator game. It's a Korean game that allegedly takes you to an alternate dimension through a specific button sequence on an elevator. Some think Elisa was playing this game with one of the many spirits that are said to haunt the Cecil Hotel. Can Elisa see someone in the video that we can't? I'll admit, I'm much better versed in reporting on serious mental illness than the paranormal. But Payne spoke with paranormal investigator Shane Pittman for an episode of Talking to Death. Shane has starred in The Holzer Files on the Discovery Channel and 21 Days Haunted on Netflix.

22:43Shane has spent countless hours in allegedly haunted buildings, some of the most notorious in the world, like the Hotel Cecil. And he spoke to Payne about how his search for answers, he says, has led to a better understanding of his own mental health. When we come back from a quick break, we'll bring you Payne's conversation with Shane. It's Hulaween on Disney+. Watch frightful family favorites like Hocus Pocus and Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas on Disney+. I am the Pumpkin King! Then take the terror to ten with a thrilling new remake of The Hand That Rocks the Cradle, Scream, and more with Hulu-een on Disney+.

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25:04All right, we're back. Thanks for coming to me, man. hey thank you for having me man i appreciate it i just want to ask you point blank to be honest are ghosts real i i would say yes you would say yes i would say yes but i would say as far as like defining what ghosts and spirits are i've changed my whole opinion on that okay i know that we're communicating with someone or something but i don't really know what it is i just know it's beyond our scope of understanding right now. So in my opinion, the, how I label ghosts right now is something that I cannot see that I'm communicating with. Yeah.

25:44I would say ghosts are real. Okay. So what do you think it is? You know, I don't know. I have a lot of theories on that. Like it could be interdimensional. It could be, um, ourselves. So there's this interesting story, from a guy he tells where he was a young kid and he walked into his kitchen to get a sandwich and he was like five or six years old he walks in and he sees this hooded figure opening up his refrigerator and it freaked him the hell out and he ran out of there scared to death fast forward though he's about in his early 20s he's in the same house he's visiting his parents and he runs down to get a snack, which is a peanut butter sandwich.

26:35And he runs down and he opens the refrigerator. He's got a hoodie on and he sees a small figure in the doorway. And at first he's like, this is strange. It doesn't make any sense, but it freaked him out again. But then he remembered when he was six years old, he saw a hooded figure in the same exact spot that he was standing to go get a snack when he opened the refrigerator, and he's thinking that maybe he saw a version of himself in the future, so maybe we're haunting ourselves. I know it's kind of a confusing thing. So he saw a ghost essentially two times and potentially actualized that event.

27:16What does that mean to you? Is there some sort of time plane that we don't understand? Is it an imprint? I believe it is an imprint. I do believe that it's a time thing too, because time is a man-made construct. I believe that we are more powerful than we kind of give ourselves credit for. I use this analogy all the time that, you know, I can walk into a room after a couple had been done fighting and they're not saying a word. I can walk in, but you can feel the tension from that argument, even though they don't say anything to you at all. Are you actually feeling something or are you observing them being different?

28:00Well, I think it's a mixture of both because I've had this happen more than one time. where you walk in, they're off doing their own thing, but you can feel that something's not right. You can feel... Like an energy or something. Right. You can feel like a shift. But if you're walking in certain places, you know you're on high alert. It's something within you that is telling you, hey, be careful. It's that gut instinct. And I think that that has something to do with it. I think that we have more influence over certain hauntings than we, you know, we may realize. So a lot of people say, oh, this place is haunted or whatever.

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28:43And I think a lot of times it has to do with the living more than what we perceive as the dead. Living as in the observer of it? The observer, sometimes the people that are inhabiting the place, they're living there. Okay. I think sometimes it has to do with maybe the environment, things that are going on, stress levels, and whatever that energy is emitting at the time could play a factor in some of these strange and unusual things that's going on in people's lives. Okay. So instead of it just being the Hollywood version of, you know, it's your dead great grandpa, it's maybe your own energy in your life interacting with your surroundings in some sort of way.

29:29Absolutely. It's observable to others even. Right. You know, there's been since the dawn of time, probably what millions, billions of people that have passed from this physical plane. and we confine them to structures so often. We'll say this place is haunted. This place over here is haunted. But I feel that if that's true, we pass on in a fraction of a stay, then they're everywhere or a piece of that person that was left behind is everywhere. So we can encounter them daily. I feel like there's this sort of Hollywood image of, or I guess Hollywood portrayal of good and evil so frequently when it comes to hauntings and ghosts.

30:19It's always usually portrayed as a good or evil presence. And I feel like that's not very scientific. But, I mean, that being said, you know, you hear stories about stuff that feels darker or scarier in that way, but do you perceive those darker instances as an evil presence or is it just how we're perceiving it i've just thought before what if something doesn't know where it is or like if it's you know trapped in a place and it's like stuck or maybe it's not even it's like the remnants of what it once was and it doesn't even know what it is anymore i could imagine that being frustrating I'd be banging walls and shit too.

31:07Yeah, right. Well, and we always fear what we don't understand too. So a lot of people, whenever they have some sort of unexplained experience, they immediately jump to fear. It's that fight or flight mechanism. You're wanting to flee the area because you don't understand what's going on. That doesn't mean it's evil. That doesn't mean it's necessarily bad. To your point, I feel like if there is an instance where you do stay here for whatever reason after you die, then if you were an asshole here on earth, you're going to be an asshole. You stay in the afterlife. I mean, think about it, like your true essence of who you are.

31:48I mean, if you're a good person in life, it would make sense that you would be a good person. If you stay behind in some sort of, if a piece of you left or stayed behind, then you would be still a good person again if you were an asshole you'll be an asshole again you know asshole ghost yeah i mean i understand the just human nature part of the curiosity of paranormal stuff right i think that for ages we've been fascinated by things that we don't understand and there's a lot of stuff that we still don't understand especially in the paranormal realm of things and I don't know what any of it means or if it's something spiritual or scientific.

32:34I lean more to the scientific side of it. But how do you get wrapped into it in a way where you can be a professional investigator of it? What was it that kind of made it more than just curiosity? My first experience was when I was six years old and very profound. I went to my mother about it and it was a very impactful thing for me. And during that time in my life, without going into much detail, there was a lot of abuse, a lot of really bad stuff in my life. It was within the moments where I was wanting to give up and, you know, call it quits. when I would have these weird, strange, unusual moments that would kind of snap me back and say, okay, there's more than the shit life that you're living.

33:28There's more beyond it that you can't understand. Once I got into my teenage years, I started researching and reading all the books, Harry Price, Hans Holzer, all of the books based on the experiences that I was having at the time. Which were what, exactly? Well, I mean, for instance, when I was 12 years old, I was in my room and the closet door was slightly open. And we had one of those old houses where the carpet was higher so the doors would always scrape the top of the carpet and would leave like a mark on there. and uh it was slightly open and i was going to sleep about five minutes goes by and the door slams and i have siblings so i was thinking okay somebody's playing a trick on me so i go open the closet door nothing was in there so i was like this is weird and me being the smart southern man that I am, I leave it open again and I go lay back down.

34:37Probably a little time happens and it slams again. This time I'm freaked out. I run to my parents' room, which is across the hall and they're like, Shane, you're just, you're trying to stay up, go to bed. So they take me back to bed and for whatever reason, that closet door is open again and it slams for a third time. after they leave the room. This time they run into my room and I grew up in a religious household. So my mother is pleading the blood of Jesus over me, doing whatever she can just to like, whatever's going on, it needs to stop now. And I ended up sleeping in their room that night.

35:22I would have weird visions or dreams, I guess you can call it, where there would be people that would walk up to my bedside and some of them would look like they're terrified. Some would say, where am I at? Where am I at? Where am I at? I don't know where I am. That's the kind of stuff they were saying at the edge of your bed. They didn't know where they were literally. They weren't haunting you. They were like, where is this? It was like, help me, where am I at? What do they look like? So they look like us. That scares me kind of. They look like us. That they don't know where they are. Right.

35:55More than them knowing where they are and who you are. and at that time it's like okay am i is this just my subconscious is this because i'm going through a lot of crap right yeah yeah it might just stress right imagining these things right but then i would have other experiences like the door slamming and stuff things that i knew even at a young age okay it can't be a draft in my room because the carpet there like it's hard for me to push the door closed there's physical stuff too right so there's compounding evidence and even to this day how i kind of do investigations is i don't just jump at everything and say you know if i hear footsteps i don't say oh my god that's a ghost i look at it as if there's compounding evidence that's leading to something that that i would assume would be more paranormal in nature then I would take a look at it and try to research further into what or who we're communicating with.

36:55I just have this image in my head now, these people on the edge of your bed wondering where they are. Let's just pretend for a moment that those were definitely ghosts. How would you rationalize that? What are they doing there? I would say that they're, if they are real, I would say that they are in some transitional period and maybe a part of them has stayed behind and for whatever reason they're stuck. And again, like I said, I would think, OK, maybe I'm just dreaming. But this was more than one occurrence and more than one house that I was in, sometimes in stressful environments, sometimes when my life was going great.

37:39But it was these moments where it's like, okay, if this is real, and not even saying it is for certain, but if it's real, I want to find out more about it. So the more that I researched and stuff, the more I saw that there was many other people that were having similar experiences. And I just wanted to know more. fast forward to this time whenever I'm at events and I'm doing things I get to talk to people not just about the paranormal and the spooky stuff but about mental health and like I've been there I took a leap you know if I didn't if all of these things didn't play out like they were supposed to I wouldn't be up here talking to you right now I wouldn't be able to do what I love so I get to encourage other people that may be in my same shoes at that time and be able to give them some hope.

38:32And that's something that is much more rewarding to me than a TV show or anything else. Of course. Yeah. That, that human connection is priceless, right? Right. And believe it or not, man, there's so many people that come to my events that they come to escape their own personal hell and their life. And, and they come, This is something that they love, but at the same time, they come to kind of escape just the everyday life of what they're going through. And just sort of live in this world for a moment. Right. And it shows them kind of like what I was thinking when I was younger. It's like there's more beyond this life that I'm living.

39:11There's more beyond that. And people get to come to these events and share in experiences of others that may be going through similar things that they're going through. and it's just a time of fellowship and connection and i think that's again more important than tv more important than anything else back after a short break josie it's your new nanny polly the hand that rocks the cradle a hulu original what do you know about her now streaming you think if you try hard enough you can stop bad things from happening, but you can't. Good help. Get out! Is hard to find. No! You need me to do this. A Hulu original.

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40:36Hey listeners, if you have a tip or theories about a case you want to share, or a case of interest you'd like to recommend to us, then we want to hear from you. Email us, cases at tenderfoot.tv, DM us on Instagram at UAV Weekly, or give us a call at 770-545-6411. You can also join the conversation on our Discord at discord.gg slash upandvanished. Now, back to the show. why is it that ghosts are so hard to capture on video and pictures i mean there has to be something that scientifically explains that a little bit later or they're just really good at ducking it somehow right again on holzer files we have captured some stuff i think it's hand Hand?

41:36Yeah, hand. There was a mist. It was Howard's Lodge, I believe it is. There was a mist going upstairs. Some really interesting stuff that is kind of hard for me. Some anomalies that were not really. Right. It's hard for me to pinpoint what it is. Okay. And I think that it has something to do with our perception of what we can see, what our eyes can physically see. And that's why IR can capture things and it can see in a different scope than what our human eye could see. I think it could be all frequency related. I think that may have something to do with it, that they may be showing up, but it's on certain frequencies, certain wavelengths, even cameras that - It's less physical than it is.

42:24Well, even our technology that we have, maybe it's not caught up to maybe the frequency that they're in. Can't capture that necessarily. I think even with EVP, electronic voice phenomenon, whenever you capture something on a recorder, a voice that you know was not yours or anybody else's, There's this guy, Bill Chappell, that makes all of this tech and stuff. And he will tell you firsthand that he doesn't believe in ghosts. He just believes that there's some strange shit going on. And he's testing theories and testing things. But he told me something that was really interesting about EVP. he's like you know Shane right now that I have this this microphone that can shoot a laser to a certain part of a room and I can play music in that frequency and it can sound like the music is coming from over there but really it's coming from this device I have in my hand but I can make the sound go wherever I want it to go what?

43:30is still like audibly coming from this device in his hand so yeah so it's electromagnetic pinging somewhere pinging somewhere creating this perception that it's not coming from right in a frequency that the human ear can hear okay so like if there's a group of people right sitting in an audience he can point this microphone to the right half of the audience and only the right half can hear what's coming through. Yeah. And the other half would be like, I'm not hearing anything. So if there's things like that, I believe that there's so much more in regards to frequency, in regards to maybe our visual spectrum of what we can see that that is unexplained, that maybe there's more that if our eyes could see in that scope, we'd be seeing a hell of a lot more, you know?

44:20So I think that the reason why sometimes we don't capture it is maybe we don't, Maybe we haven't caught up to the technology to be able to capture something like that. And maybe we're on a certain wavelength in certain times that we're able to see anomalies and we're able to see things, hypnosis and things like that. I think maybe if we're in certain states, we're able to see and understand more. It's the same stuff with people who go through PTSD. they'll claim all the time they see all kinds of things. And we say, yeah, well, it could just be because it's a stress disorder, it's all this stuff, and we'll label it as a medical disorder.

45:05But who's to say that they're not really seeing the things that they're seeing sometimes? Well, either way, it's still a reality to them. Exactly. So there's a fine line there. Yeah, you're right, yeah. There's a fine line. You got to think, for the longest time, people thought the Earth was flat. people who entertained ideas that hey the earth isn't flat yeah everybody who thought the earth was flat at the time was like you're nuts but if they didn't listen right to that reason we wouldn't have the advancements we have now at one point in time people thought something was a certain way but if they didn't listen to to other theories and things like that then we would still be stuck in that right we didn't think if we didn't challenge that right right it's it's so easy to be in the moment and think that we've learned everything right i think that's very naive and close-minded to think that way but i i totally get how even society makes it easier to think that but we are literally learning shit every single day and we'll never stop we'll never i don't think we'll ever stop you don't stop yeah period and this is why i love what i do so much a A lot of people look at it and be like, oh, you believe in ghosts, you believe in all this stuff.

46:16But I think the search for something is far more rewarding to me than actually finding the answer to all of this stuff. I think the search and building the connections along the way is far more valuable to me.

46:41to conclusions involving the supernatural as a way to explain Elisa Lam's tragic death. They see her movements, her behavior as bizarre. And of course, the Cecil's haunted history. And while Elisa's loved ones are still looking for answers, they do seem to accept that it was more than likely a tragic result of Elisa's serious struggles with mental health. Elisa's sister says the movements in the elevator match previous episodes when Elisa had been off her medication. The high number of pills in her room suggest she had not been taking it regularly. In the end, law enforcement says Elisa voluntarily entered the water tank, with her bipolar as a contributing factor.

47:32And once she was inside, there was almost no chance for her to pull herself out. Her clothing being off could be due to hypothermia, people often feeling hot when actually freezing, or removing clothing to become lighter in an attempt to swim. I also think this is the most likely scenario of what happened to Elisa. I've lived with a loved one with serious mental illness, and I have seen them in similar states to Elisa in the elevator as well. Elisa's family sued the Cecil Hotel for wrongful death, alleging negligence on the hotel's part for not locking the water tanks. While I believe the story of Elisa Lam is a tragic accident, many find it hard to ignore that on this trip all seemed okay until she entered the Hotel Cecil, a place with a violent history and haunted reputation.

48:31If you or someone you love is facing a mental health emergency, call or text 988 to reach the 988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline or visit 988lifeline.org to chat with a trained crisis counselor.

48:57Y 'all, thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Up and Vanish Weekly. Be sure to tune in next week as we dig into another new case. Until next time.

49:14Up and Vanish Weekly is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with Odyssey. Your hosts are Maggie Freeling and myself, Payne Lindsay. The show is written by Maggie Freeling, myself, and John Street. Executive producers are Donald Albright and myself. Lead producer is John Street. Additional production by Meredith Stedman and Mike Rooney Research for the series by Jamie Albright, Silesia Stanton, and Carolyn Talmadge Edit and mix by Dylan Harrington and Sean Nerney Supervising producer is Tracy Kaplan Artwork by Byron McCoy Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set Special thanks to Oren Rosenbaum and the team at UTA Beck Media and Marketing and the Nord Group For more podcasts like Up and Vanish Weekly, search Tenderfoot TV on your favorite podcast app or visit us at tenderfoot.tv.

50:11Thanks for listening.

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It's January, 2013, when 21-year-old college student Elisa Lam disappears after checking into LA's infamous Cecil Hotel. Elisa's family and police launch a search, but it isn't until weeks later that a hotel worker finds the body of Elisa Lam inside one of the Cecil Hotel's main water tanks. Police focus in on the sole piece of evidence, eerie security camera footage of Elisa from inside one of the hotel's elevators. The video shows a woman in a state of unexplainable crisis, leading many to wonder, what exactly happened to Elisa Lam? Tune in as Maggie goes through the tragic circumstances of Elisa's case, then stick around as Payne Lindsey sits down with Shane Pittman, host of "The Holzer Files" and "28 Days Haunted", and the two discuss Shane's perspective after spending countless hours inside buildings with dark pasts, much like the Cecil Hotel.Up and Vanished Weekly is available wherever you get your podcasts.

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