Can Bitcoin Save The West? | American HODL & Peter McCormack

24:49Do you think El Salvador has as good a judicial system as the UK? For instance, like the UK. I don't have the data on it, but I do know the judicial system itself is in both countries. Seems like a fair system because there's a judicial system. But really, it's about winning an argument. It's not about right or wrong. It's about winning an argument. And also, I don't know if you're aware of this, but you guys just got rid of right to jury trial, which existed since Magna Carta. Not yet. Yeah, it's not going to be. But it's on the way out. Yeah, I don't think they'll get away with that. They're trying to.

25:17What do they want to do? They want to get rid of jury trials for anything outside of serious crimes like rape or murder. So is that more like the US then? Because you don't have jury for everything. No, we have jury for everything. Oh, do you? Yeah. But that's the point. It's your peers to judge you. Now, the way the system works here is they try and force you into a plea bargain. So what they do with the samurai guys is a good example. They hit the samurai guys with like, you're facing 30 years, right? You're facing 25. You can plea for five. And you know that's how the feds have such a high conviction rate in America is they you know stick you with every possible They don't go after you for seven years They go after you for 30 years and then they make you gamble with your life and most people are thinking Okay, I'm gonna miss my kids, you know elementary school But I'm gonna be there for middle school in high school and like that's fuck it.

26:00That's the deal I'm gonna take This was Ross Albright. They offered him a plea deal of I think it was 10 years And he said no, I was like no, I'm innocent. Yeah And then faced a double life sentence plus 40 years. Yeah, camping charge and then he ended up doing tests I mean, is that a fair system? Of course not. No. Of course not. Yeah. So like - Democracy is a bad system. Yes. It's just the least bad is like, you know, the Winston Churchill quote or whatever versus all the other ones that have been tried. But it's a shit system. Do you think democracy exists in 20 years time in the same way that - The problem with democracy is that it's cyclical in the sense that like, there's a quote I like by Teitler where he basically says that, you know, every democracy collapses under loose fiscal policy because the proletariat, you know, the people like learn that they can vote largesse from the public treasury so they can keep voting for socialist programs and socialist systems.

26:49And the politicians that, you know, offer more and more, you know, social programs, social entitlement systems, they're the politicians that get elected. And then it collapses because of loose fiscal policy. And then everybody's left standing in the bag being like, I guess infinity money didn't work and then an authoritarian dictatorship replaces it so that's this is a historical cycle that goes over and over and over again and democracies tend to last about 200 years on average democracies i'm not saying it's i'm not being fatalistic by the way i'm just saying like this is a historical precedent democracies just need some tweaks like i i wouldn't allow anyone under 25 to vote not a bad idea or over 65 let's say yeah and i wouldn't allow anyone who was a net taker from the system to vote.

27:32Right. Because the incentives are wrong. You have no incentive. You have no incentive. And that's billionaires and, you know, homeless alike. See, I don't even not like those ideas. I'm just trying to figure if that fits into your framework of wanting maximum freedom.

27:47Well, I think there's loads of hypocrisies in it. Freedom is always hypocritical, though. So you can't have freedom without, because freedom is a perfect state. And so you can't reach a perfect state without being a hypocrite. And in order to strive towards a more perfect state, you have to continually be at odds with the reality of the situation. But some rules like that end up being like, you're kind of striving for freedom via some form of authoritarianism. No, let me make the argument back. So why can't you vote until you're 25? Well, your brains aren't developed. And so we don't allow kids to have sex at certain ages, or drive cars at certain ages, all which are responsible decisions.

28:28A vote is a very responsible decision. But then do you need an IQ test because there's loads of 35-year-olds that are fucking idiots? Well, yeah, but I think your IQ test is whether you're a net taker from the system or not. But so you would argue, I'm guessing what your argument back is, is what you're saying is that if you are a net taker from the system and that means you don't get a vote, that's anti-freedom. But the anti-freedom is allowing someone to vote away your money, vote away the theft of your money. And so if you contribute to a system, you have a vote. Yeah. Skin in the game. Skin in the game.

29:04I don't even hate the idea. It's just that there's... It's not freedom, though. What? To have a... Because there's still... Well, anytime you... Anytime you have a government, it's not freedom. Yeah. Right? If we're in a perfect freedom state, there's no government. But this is why I said, do you think that democracy will still exist in 20 years in the same way that it does today? It's going to go through its continuous cycle of collapse and rebirth, I think. Yeah. Like always. We're always at war with something because there's no perfect system. Yeah. And we're not perfect people either. I also think this idea of like the Rupert Lowe's of the world who I think some of his ideas are good, but getting back to being like a 1990s type Britain, I just think is a dream.

29:45Yeah, but I don't think he's trying to actually return us to 1990s Britain itself. He's trying to find people who agree with him. I think he's trying to return to like some 1990s or even earlier legislation. Like, I think he's trying to return the population split to 1990s. I think it's certain things like that. But he accepts reality, accepts where we are. But the UK is in a terrible state. We've spoken about this before, but I think one of the trickiest things in the UK right now is that everyone wants to be like, we need to bring back British culture. But I've not heard someone explain what British culture is well.

30:19Like, I don't know if - Stiff upper lip. Keep calm and carry on. But like - We will defend our island home. Yeah, what does it mean to be British? For England boys, get on a ship and go colonize some other fuckers. There's a lot of things that are English culture. We can see it maybe more clearly than you because it's from the outside. Yeah. Well, what is it? You're British. What does it mean British to you? But that's, I don't know if I've got a good answer to that. Because like people will say like, like Rupert Lowe says this. He says that like Britain is a Christian country, Christian nation.

30:46And I was raised with Christian values. I went to a like kind of religious school. It wasn't very religious. Yeah. And I think that the like Christian values are part of British culture. but like what is the atheist numbers in the UK? It's huge. It's like, it's the more atheist than almost any West. Yeah, but how shit is your culture now? Correct. But so what does it mean? The further it gets away from Christianity, the less, you know, ideal it is in the like, the less it is what the British culture, we all, you know, we give you guys a lot of shit, the Americans, like we love to, it's so fun.

31:18But we deeply love you and respect you and look up to you. It's like a father-child relationship. Yeah, not now. We look up to who you used to be. We look up to our perception of you. You know what I mean? I think that's probably true across all of Europe. Yeah. So I think there are - Like late 1800s Britain, we look up to that. Yeah. So I think there are cultural values that are more universal, that don't just, they're not just cultural values for the UK, but our cultural values, which is buy a home, have a family, have kids, go to work. Is buying a home a value, though? It's a cultural value, I think so.

31:49That cultural attainment. But then there's like deeper cultural points. It's like, I just think the pub itself is a cultural institution of the UK. Like you go to your, you've been to my local pub. Now, you don't have the equivalent of that. Where you walk across the road and you see your neighbor and you all know each other. It's the community hub. We, yeah, we have bars, but bars are really more for, you know, just drinking, just drinking. And it's like, you go there if you want to drink. Yeah. Whereas we go over for dinner. You go for all sorts of things. You go for mainly sports and hanging out with your buddies, right?

32:23Yeah. But we can be in any group. This is like a community hub in the UK. Like the local pub is where people go to. We were talking about this too, that like, you know, we saw a group of young people hanging out at your local pub. And you were explaining to me that like, this is a new thing. Because the city center is no longer safe. I was walking around the city center in Bedford. It's not safe. I was there at like 2, 3 a.m. And like, even as a big guy, I felt sketched out. Because I don't have a knife on me or a gun or anything. In America, I would have a fucking gun on me. In the UK, I don't have one.

32:51So like I'm walking around, I feel sketched out. And like, that's the feeling that they're having. So they're retreating to the local pubs. But in some big, broad cultural sense, your streets are not really streets. They're like for cars. They're like donkey paths. They're donkey paths that have been in existence for a thousand plus years. And the cultural cross-pollination of the donkey path that goes between these little narrow streets, that is like largely where English culture arises from, I think. And when you rid yourselves of the ability to feel safe and walk around your own high street, you are destroying thousands of years of culture that are inbuilt.

33:29Yeah. Think about when you were a kid. Saturday, you go to the Mac Town Center. I mean, yeah, go play football. Yeah, go play football with your mates. But if you were with your parents, they'd take you to the town center. The town center was the meeting point. It was the meeting point for trade, social gatherings. You go to the town center. And that's been destroyed by a number of reasons. It's been destroyed by retail parts and online shopping. But there's another point. The cultural hub of the town center and the pubs have also been destroyed by the state. Business rates, higher taxation in other areas, lack of safety in the town centers, the acceptance of crackheads and shoplifting.

34:12There's just the blatant shoplifting in the UK. That has destroyed the cultural hub of the town center. So you go to the Bedford town center now, it's a shithole. Like, I get hammered for this, but it's like, you have to accept reality to fix it. It is a shithole. And you have the vape shops and you have the Turkish barbers and you have the... You don't want to go in that town. So that's not a nice feeling. So you're dispersing the cultural behavior to the edge of the town and to the villages. Do you want to pay less in taxes and stack more Bitcoin? Of course you do. Well, by mining Bitcoin with Blockware, you can.

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37:04Is that not happening in America too, though? I don't know America well enough. It's been that way in America for a long time. Because like in New York, like you go into a CVS and you can't get anything off the shelf without getting a shop attendant to come and like open the box for you because shoplifting is such a problem. I don't know what it's like in Vegas, but is this a global problem? Yeah, well, all across the US, the city center has always been full of crime or, you know, in the last like 75 years more so. And yeah, so like the suburbs are the safe place and people do proliferate out to the suburbs if they want to like, you want to have safety and security for your family, for your kids.

37:36you want to be out of the city center. And, you know, it's very different though, because we have a car culture. Most of America was built after the invention of the automobile. And so there are old American cities like New Orleans and Boston and San Francisco, and they have a little bit of a European feel because they were built pre-car. But most cities, you know, you go visit like, I don't know, Kansas city, it's going to be mainly like a culture that's built around automobiles. And so if you have that culture where you go to and fro in your car, that's a very different culture than the European walkability.

38:06Like, Hey, you know, I'm just, I'm going to stop into the shop here. I might pop in, I might get a donut or whatever croissant. I might go over here. I might get a coffee. I might go over there. I might talk to this guy. I might, you know, and that is a special thing that you guys have in Europe. And we're actually jealous of that, but we can't create it here because the city centers are unsafe. And now that's becoming that way there too. And Danny, if you think of like historic Britain, you think of James Bond, or you think of of Oxford and Cambridge and the boat race, or you think of how we've represented historically in the movies.

38:43Think of the civility that the British have in those films. There's a genteel quality. Now, let's take it to a really kind of like individual that seems like a tiny, almost nebulous point, but actually is highly relevant. The British are famed for queuing. Why are we famed for queuing? Because we're polite. We're polite society. Because they were there before me, so I'm going to wait after them, and I'm going to stand in line. Okay? And if you think of that, that's a form of civility that we've always had in the UK. Polite, nice, respectful. High trust. High trust. We are no longer a high trust society.

39:18What we now have is a grift society. I'm going to walk into that shop. I'm going to take what I want, because I don't care, because there's no consequence. I'm going to, oh, look, I've been rightfully sacked from my job because I'm terrible at it, but there is a system that allows me to apply that this is a wrongful dismissal, and then I can put in a sick note, and I can drag this out for months and get paid, then I can take you to a tribunal, and you have to give me money. Yeah. Okay? We've become a society that goes, how do I get what I want and blame everyone else for my mistakes? OK? And that is changed.

39:56That is the culture being changed. I think the easiest way to understand when people say, what is British culture? I say we've gone from a high trust, civil, respectful society to a low trust, grift, take what you want. And that's why it doesn't feel like the UK anymore. I go into my town center, there are crackheads and thieves and just a shithole. That doesn't feel like British. Now I still retain it in my village. I go into my local pub and I feel like this is a, that felt like a British experience Yes. Yeah, and I had a lock-in, like a proper British lock-in. It's so good that you got a lock-in.

40:28Yeah, so we were there late. They don't happen that much anymore. Right, and we were drinking with the bartender, and it was great. But you know when you took us to shoot guns? Yeah. That, to me, felt like a cultural American experience. Proper American experience, yes. And I think taking you to the local pub is kind of the equivalent. For you, this must have felt so British, the barman, the pumps on the bar, the little tables. Yeah. Like, the culture is what we experience, what you know internally. But I think a lot of it comes down to our behaviors. And I think the biggest cultural shift has gone from high trust to low trust.

40:59And that's come from the state continually stealing. So people are out to get what they want. Because essentially, the state has created the low trust society because we can't trust them. So if we can't trust them, well, we have to take and get what we want. Now, I say that collectively. That's not me. Well, you've also imported a bunch of low trust cultures. Also true. Controversial. But it's true. I don't know that it's controversial. It's just what's happening. When you are multicultural, when you talk about being a multicultural society, you're saying you have no culture. You'll basically get, what is it like when you get a bunch of paints and you blend them all together, it just becomes a mess.

41:35It just, there's no, like, and it's exactly the same. You cannot blend certain cultures and expect to retain the British culture because you're making concessions to other cultures. And I have, like, I don't have any issue with Muslims or Sikhs or whoever. But when you put a mosque in a town and you blast out the prayers, you're changing the shape and the culture of that area. And so if you start regularly changing the shape, you've changed society. And so what Rupert Lowe is trying to return is he wants, I think if you had to crystallize it, he would say, go back to high trust. You work hard.

42:11The state doesn't take too much. And you're rewarded. I think that's what he really wants. Not a return to like we're living actually in the 90s. Yeah. It's funny. We've been shooting guns a few times. Yeah. And every time it's been awesome. Going with Pete was terrifying. Pete can't be trusted around. That's because you're a lefty and I might shoot you. When Pete was holding a gun, his son Connor was hiding behind me. Yeah, we all step about 10 paces back when Pete is on the gun. It's the lefty I might shoot. I told you. I'm going to kill them all. I think one of the big problems that the UK has, and I think I might see this better because I've not lived there for quite a long time, is that I think the UK still think they're really important on the world stage.

42:51They do. I think the general population, if you ask them, they'd be like, yeah, we're second behind America. And the problem with that is, when Brexit happened, whether you were for or against it, once it happened, there was a really cool opportunity where the UK could have done something interesting and they fucked it. And the reason they did, I think, is because they went out to other countries and were like, we're very important still. We're England. Do you want to trade with us? And they're like, we don't care about you. So we obviously aren't as important as we used to be on the world stage.

43:16Right. But do you want us to return to being important? We would love for you. Like, I saw a picture of the UK's Navy versus the 1942 UK Navy. And it made me fucking sad because you guys were just an amazing power, you know. And you were a good power. You were a force for good in the world, you know. Not always, but sometimes. No, no, I think so. Broadly, I think England was a force for good. Yeah. I mean, we are a hard fork, we're a hard fork of England, right? And America's, I think, net net is a force for good in the world as well. You got the ticket. You're right. Right. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

43:55I mean, and, you know, I think that if you look at like Southern culture, for instance, I think a lot of Southern culture is actually like high aristocratic British culture from, you know, 1852 or something like that. And so anyway, like when I saw that picture of the UK Navy being decimated and, you know, like there was Starmer and Trump and Trump was like, Starmer's fucking loser. And, you know, and Starmer is like sitting over there like he's in a comedy like The Office or something about UK government. He is a fucking loser. Yeah, he's like a bumbling buffoon. And, you know, I think the reason like you guys didn't send ships is not like as a political statement because like your ships are not in proper working order.

44:28Like it's like a catastrophe. and so yeah i mean when i look at britain and england it makes me sad that i can't visit what it used to be i used to feel like i didn't give a shit because i'm like an american sort of chauvinist and i'm like i only love america and i think you guys are all losers you know but then i went over and it was like a shell of its former self and i was like they massacred my boy like what have they done you know like england is over and uh everyone's so poor there too you walk around and like people are poorer than they are in alabama no we are So there was an interesting survey done.

45:01Do you know about this? I don't know which one. And it asked people, if you had to rate the UK, its prosperity as a state in the US, where do you think it would come? And so where do you think it would come? I mean, so I've seen a different one, which was take London out of the UK. Where does the economy rank in Europe? It's like below Poland. So I would guess that it's very low. It'd be like, I don't know, North Carolina. Give me a number. I don't know, 30? Okay. So the survey came out that we thought we were seventh. We are poorer than Mississippi, which is the poorest you estate. Wow. You guys think of yourselves as like California or something.

45:36And like, no, no. No, I've been to America enough to know that's not true. We're much richer over here. There are things we outperform on. We do outperform like in certain measures that people are happy about, which is like healthcare. NHS. Yeah, things like that. NHS is like a religion to you guys. That's kind of a sacrifice we've made. But I don't think the country has fully accepted, not only how poor we are, but how much poorer we get. And the first time I came to the US, I came out for the Mayweather-Hatton fight. I remember this distinctly. It was$2.05 to the pound. What is it now,$1.30?

46:09OK, and it's only going to decrease further. OK, so we're getting poorer as a nation. But we're getting poorer, not just through the exchange race, but also the inflation in the UK. And it is starting to touch the middle class in a significant way now. There is a revolt amongst the middle class because they can't afford the holiday they used to have or the school fees. I mean, basically, the middle class is tiny in the UK now. Well, we're destroying it. Yeah. I mean, look, it's not actually attributed to Lenin, but people like to say it. Like, the way to kill a society is to kill its middle class.

46:41We're destroying the middle class, and we're creating a dependency class. And the AI, that is only going to make that significantly worse. So, look, I'm... The reason I'm pushing on this, though, is not because I disagree with anything you're saying. It's like what I'm not sure about is whether you can get there without some form of authoritarianism. Like, I don't know if you can be maximally freedom on the way to freedom, if that makes sense. Well, I think you... Hmm, let me think. I think, yes, you can't get there until... But it's what form of... We have soft authoritarianism now. With who?

47:15Like in the UK. We are not a free country. Well, you're a nanny state. It's a nanny state. You know, we've basically got pseudo backdoor socialism right now. Yeah. Like regulation. They control your money. They control your company. They control everything part of you. By the way, that's everywhere in the West. I was going to say, you can say that about America. It might be to a lesser degree. It's Canada. It's UK. It's Australia. And then it's blue states in America. But America has not fallen. The rest of you have fallen to it already. Like we do not have free speech. We arguably don't even have free thought because you need to have free speech to have free thought.

47:50And we don't have free expression. We don't have a freedom of association. We don't have free markets anymore. We are a managerial class. It is, you know, they've achieved essentially what you want to achieve with socialism just via the back door through regulation and taxation. And they're closing the doors slowly. They cannot afford to maintain what they're doing. So every single budget, there are more taxes. And so, or there's more borrowing. And so what's going to happen is they're just going to confiscate more and more and more. And we will eventually probably hit significant double-digit inflation, 20%, 25%.

48:30It's the only way they can pay off the debt. And so it is essentially back to socialism. It has the same outcome, which is the even distribution of utopia. I've got a question for you, Hoddle, for someone from the outside. Everyone always buckets the UK, Canada, Australia as all going down the same path. Yes. UK seems to be ahead on that. But I don't know against Canada, but against Australia, the UK is pretty bad too. But why, like you couldn't pick three more geographically dispersed countries. Like why, why is it happening? I mean, yeah, they are all, they are all Commonwealth. They're all Commonwealth countries.

49:04And I think, you know, you all feel an inferiority complex if I'm just going to be honest about America. And so, you know, you kind of like position yourselves against America. Like, oh, well, we're not like them. You know, we're not, we're not. So, you know. Fuck off. You do you do you like like the way though in the UK have to separate yourself in some way because you're so much poor But this this might be code, you know from people in like the UK and in Australia But in those countries they're like thank fuck We're not like right because like Trump is paying as Hitler like I don't I certainly don't agree with everything Trump's done There's this British kind of idea of what's actually happened There's this British couple I like in there.

49:37I can't remember their handle on Instagram But they're going around America and they're speaking to their British audience about what they're finding and they're basically finding like America is fucking awesome And they're like, it's so beautiful. The people are so nice. It's completely like not what we were told about America at all. They go to places like Bass Pro Shops and they're like, this is the greatest store I mean, Bass Pro Shop is fucking awesome. I was in Phoenix the other day and I was like, this is amazing. Yeah. I could live here. Yeah, but I get this thing now, when I go back to Australia, I go to this boxing gym and people will be like, I don't think they've ever been to the US and they'll be like, what's it like there?

50:15Like, are they okay? Yeah, they think we're all just like shooting each other every day. Like, you're like, hey, it's a bit warm out. And I'm like, no, it's cold. And I just shoot you. Like we're in a Western movie or something. Look, I mean, if you ignore politics and social media and you travel around America, it is the greatest country in the world. Yeah. But if you follow social media and you follow the news and politics, it's chaos. We have a totally different problem than you guys do. I can, you know, there is a similar point on the UK. Social media makes it look worse than it is. Yeah, absolutely.

50:49I could bring you to the UK and I could take you on a cultural trip and take you to places and you're like, yeah, totally. Yeah, like you go around the Cotswolds. That's like, that's what you imagine England to be. Your problem is you guys are all vassal states to America and you're all on the verge of collapse, okay? Because you can't run your, you know, we've been subsidizing your defense. That's why your Navy is so pathetic is because we've subsidized it. Does the Navy matter anymore? I know it's like a signal of like the decline. Well, the empire runs the Navy because, yes, the Navy matters because it keeps shipping lanes open.

51:18And when you guys were the empire, that was your job. And, you know, you guys cared about things like the Suez and or the Strait of Hormuz. And now those are that we worry about those choke points. We worry about the Panama Canal and the Suez and, you know, whatever. We keep the shipping lanes open. And that's what Greenland is about is those are Arctic shipping lanes. And that's the lifeblood of global capitalism and commerce. And we are underwriting that. We're the insurance providers. You know, the American military is the real Lloyds of London for the high seas because we underwrite all global commerce.

51:45OK. And so, like, that's why it matters. It doesn't matter if you guys anymore because you're not the empire any longer. But we've been subsidizing Europe broadly through NATO. And that's why socialism has exploded in Europe is because you don't have to spend on defense. And we defanged Germany, for instance, which was a mistake on our part. We defanged Japan, which was a mistake on our part. It's time to undo those mistakes. That's the American sort of view. and we feel like you know we've left you guys in a worse state and none of you realized what was happening until it was too late until very recently and even still many people don't understand what has happened and so you know your states are weak and they're on the verge of collapse okay but that's actually your bright spot like to be optimistic about it is like well you're so close to rock bottom that like it actually is probably easier to turn the uk around than it is to turn america around and so america's problem just to like put a button on this is that America's Republic is dying.

52:38So our Republic is in collapse, but the empire is just being born. So America is making a bid for massive global empire at the moment. And we're sort of like seeing who's on our side and who's against us. You know, China is also making a bid for global empire. So those are the two superpowers and you can view all geopolitics as a chess match between China and America for what the future of the next century is going to be. If we could make you authoritarian leader of the UK and Europe, what do you think they should do? Just, you know, install Rupert Lowe as warden of the UK. You know, basically it's like the best, that's the best bet at this moment in time.

53:15Do you really think that a leader like that can get the UK out of the road it's in? Yes, absolutely. It's all just about decisions, you know? There's this thing like an American right-winger say this thing like the fix everything easily switch or button, and you can just at any time press it and just fix everything easily. And that's what Bukele did down in El Salvador. But the rub is that it requires some level of authoritarianism. So this is a question, because I genuinely don't know well enough what would happen if he got into power. Like, he's come out with these, this, like, policy decisions that he wants to make.

53:44Some of them are, like, I'm not saying they're wrong, but they are on the, like, edge of being more, they're the most extreme policies anyone suggests in the UK for a very long time. Maybe since, like, Thatcher, I don't know. Define extreme. Like, I've already done this with, like, the deporting millions and millions and millions of people. But why is it extreme? Maybe extreme's the wrong word. I don't know a better word for it. It's like it's pushing the precipice. It's a big action. It's a big action. Like if he got into power, could he actually do those things? I mean. Like how much power does the prime minister alone have?

54:14I mean, look, you need a parliamentary majority to be able to push through your policies. And can he get a parliamentary majority in the next three years? That's going to be challenging. I think his big opportunity to win or the party establishes is in eight years. because his approach is, and he's got a very good tagline, which is don't care. So the problem most politicians have, they get a form of criticism, they kind of defend it, or they attack somebody else, or they shift their policy slightly, and they dilute themselves. Reform, they were the anti-establishment party, anti-establishment ideas.

54:49Like, they were subversive. As they got nearer to power, they've got fearful, and they've basically diluted themselves to become the machine itself. You know, they've got all the architects of failure from the conservatives, and they just sound like the Conservative Party. That naturally what happens. Rupert Lowe is holding the line on his policy decisions and he is talking about kind of a sensible combination of nationalism, Christian nationalism,

55:16free market economics and a higher trust society whereby you work hard, you're rewarded. If you don't want to work, you're not part of society. Now that's going to be a big shift and I don't think enough people have got the stomach for it yet. Some have, but I think what will happen is if he holds the line into this next election, he might win a few seats. He might win a lot of votes, but not enough in certain areas to get seats. But if he holds the line through that election and says, and predicts what's going to happen next, which whether it's a hung parliament, it's coalitions or reform win, if following that, he is correct, come the next election, people are like, okay, he was right.

55:55Because what's going to happen - He'll be like a prophet. Yeah, because what's going to happen is, say it's reform, do manage. They might do a coalition with the conservatives or on their own, get a parliamentary majority. If they do not fix the economy and people continue to get poorer, then those people who voted for them are going to be, oh, you failed us. If it's a left-wing coalition, and they go ahead with all their crazy socialist policies, exactly what he wants to do, all those middle-class people who voted for them who suddenly get poorer themselves are going to be like, holy shit, what have I voted for here?

56:28And so in some ways, if Rupert Lowe can't win the next election, I want the crazy leftists. I'm an accelerationist. Get them in, prove to them their socialist bullshit doesn't work, and then bring in a proper conservative government afterwards. Because I think Rupert, like I care about the economics. You can have somebody fix the immigration problem. If you don't fix the economics as well, you're still going to get poorer and people will be fed up. People want to be able to feed their family, have a holiday. If you're middle class, maybe have private school. And just feel like there's a reason to go to work.

57:01At the moment, a lot of people just don't want to fucking go to work. People are sick of it. Why is a, I don't know, guy works on the Rose, like a Rose sweeper. Why is he getting up at five in the morning and seeing less and less money at the end of the month and can't pay for the things that his kids want? Yet we're seeing all this high immigration. and we spend all this money on fucking stupid stuff within the government. Like, what's he got to live for? We have to build a country based on workers, okay? We have to base a society on a meritocracy. We just do not have that at the moment. So I think for Rupert Lowe, he may do it in three years.

57:37You know, the Labour might really screw it up, people get so pissed off, or it might be in eight years' time. Or he might be influential within a coalition. Now, the interesting thing is, I think if the conservatives are dead as a party but if they turn around to Rupert Lund and said please come and run on our party they will win the next election okay because he would go in there he would get rid of CCHQ which is the the head office which does all their stupid campaigning he would get rid of all the liberal wetter gone into the party when they did the coalition with the liberal democrats and he would have the infrastructure and base that goes okay we can be conservatives again yeah that's the right decision That's what the Conservative Party should do, but they won't.

58:18So we'll get a hung parliament and we'll get some weird left-wing coalition. The thing that's really challenging on Saving the Economy is the technological element of that. It would be really interesting if a Conservative Party came in and AI... I've spoken to you a ton about AI, so this is more of a question for HODL, I guess. If it does replace a ton of jobs, take out a load of the middle-class, white-collar jobs, the accountants or lawyers, what do the Conservative Party do in response to that? And do they start doing really leftist monetary policy? Well, I do think it's interesting with AI.

58:46I think there's actually going to be a bit of a Jevons paradox where AI is going to create more jobs. But it looks like right now it's going to displace a lot of jobs. And it will displace jobs the way we know them today. But there will still need to be humans in the mix. I think the idea that AI is creating this abundant future and we're all just going to live in the post-abundance society, I think it's bullshit. I think it's bullshit and it's propagated by the people like Anthropic and OpenAI. and it's propagated so that they can justify their market caps and valuations essentially. But I think more businesses will be launched, more people will be needed.

59:21We're going to move to probably more of like a broad gig economy model where people are just sort of plugging in where they plug in. And like, you might not have one job as like, I'm a bricklayer. You might have like five jobs as like, I plug in here, I plug in there, I do it all on my time. And that'll be like a better way to work because it'll be what people actually, how they actually want to work. You They might want to knock off for two weeks, not do anything. Somebody else fills in on their role, whatever. Way more stuff like that, I think, is coming in the future. So I do think broadly, the idea that AI is going to just dematerialize every job is bullshit, but it is going to come for certain jobs.

59:54And there is going to be a period of chaos and disruption. And that period might last 10, 15, 20 years. And that is going to be a difficult political moment. And so what do the conservative parties do in that sort of milieu or like in that moment in time? What do they do? I think they probably will bleed more socialist and say, you know, let's do – like in America, we'll be like, we ain't doing none of that universal basic income. But here's what we're going to do for you. Freedom dividend. We're getting you a goddamn freedom dividend there, boy. I think on the AI thing, it's kind of interesting that it's really hard to actually predict.

1:00:35Like, it's really hard to predict. And, like, any kind of prediction is most likely going to be wrong. The only prediction that I think you can make that's accurate is that it's not going to slow down. No, and things are going to change because it is already changing. But, like, I use Claude and ChatGPT for a lot of stuff. But what's really obvious is, like, it's a very enthusiastic junior employee who's great at research but bullshits a lot. Just bullshits all the time. And so, like, my Claude has gone rogue a couple of times. I've had it, this is crazy. I've had it been doing AI on my website, SEO on my website.

1:01:09Okay, it went and screwed up five pages. So it went and did some optimization on the page and decided to do it with the API. But as part of the API, it's meant to have the user ID. So it's attached to the page, the session. Anyway, I went onto the website and there were pages missing. He told me, the following pages are missing. So I was like, did you delete them? And they said, no. I was like, well, they're not there, and you're the only one that's been working on it. And so go and have a look. And it's like, no, it definitely wasn't me. It must be you. It's like, I think I'm a human. I think I know it was me.

1:01:39This happened when I was out and I told you to do this work. Go and look. And then it discovered the user ID was missing. I said, well, did you submit any changes that didn't have the user ID? It's like, oh, yeah, I did this. I'll have to use the user ID. I had to go and fix those pages manually. So it did that. It also put new navigation in the header bar, denied it. And what was the other thing? Oh, the other thing, the weirdest thing. So when I first set up Claude with the co-work, I was getting it to do daily reports for me, like SEO, social, blah, blah, blah. And I said, can you drop me an email when this is done?

1:02:14And Claude set it all up, and I didn't receive the email, and he said, oh, we cannot send emails from your Gmail. We can only draft them. So every day if you click send, I was like, well, that's useless to me because I know it's done then. So I didn't use it. Anyway, one day I get an email update that says, your SEO report. So I was like, you sent me an SEO report. And I said, no, we didn't. I was like, you did. Look at the email. And he was like, no, we didn't. We don't have access. I'm saying, I'm telling you, I didn't send myself this email. You did. Anyway, I said, like, go and look deeper.

1:02:42And it went and looked deeper. It said, oh, yeah, I figured out a way to do it. I just forgot. So, like, my Claude is totally going rogue. So I think it's very... Because if you think about what AI is, it's just calculations. It's math. So if it's constantly doing math calculations, how can you have, like, an infinite combination that's always correct? It's a bit like a human. We're doing infinite calculations in our head, and we get shit wrong. So it's like a human gets shit wrong. Anyway, I'm going somewhere with this. I had this young lad who came to our conference who reached out to us and said, I'm from working class background up near Manchester, actually, and said, I'm not sure what to do with my career.

1:03:16I want to build a business, but I'm not from a community where I have access to capital. What do you think I should do? So we jumped on the phone. He's been given a consultancy, offered a consultancy role at a junior grad role at a consultancy. So I said to him, I said, this is what you should do. Don't start a company now. Take that role, okay? Learn on their time. And what I'd do with you is, if I were you, is I would go in there in the first three months, run a secret project. Don't tell anyone else. learn how to replace you in that company with AI. And what that will ultimately mean is, actually, it's you running 10 or 20 agent versions of you, creating 20 times more productivity.

1:03:56Run it. Figure it out. Figure out the systems. Figure out the infrastructure. Then go to your boss. Say, your boss, I'd like to have a meeting. And in that meeting, put together a presentation and show them how you've learned to replace yourself with AI. Because what will really happen is you'll replace your colleagues or future grads, And you will be the person they cannot get rid of that company. You'll suddenly be like the genius within the business who can AI optimize that company. But what's going to happen is you're going to constantly need, I think for a significant period of time, is AI controllers.

1:04:25And so what I would say with the AI thing is like anyone who's out there shitting themselves with this, you need to do two things. You need to make yourself unsackable by being an expert in AI around your job. And you need to be acquiring assets for when everything changes. Because if AI does lead to huge job displacement, the only answer is some form of freedom dividend, which means more inflation, the asset protects you. But that's the only defense. Now, in the UK, if we had a remotely good government, they would have been invested in AI. They just announced a£500 ,000 investment in Barnsley to make Barnsley a tech center for AI.

1:05:00£500 ,000, companies out here raising hundreds of billions. I mean, we're a fucking embarrassment. But people just need to defend themselves. And that is defend themselves in the workplace with their experience and defend themselves with assets. The other thing, too, is like AI-native businesses, I think, are going to be a really big deal. And the reason why is because, and I think the Bitcoin audience should understand this pretty well, is that the gatekeepers are gone. They don't exist anymore. Why did you need to go to Silicon Valley for your idea, for money? Why did you need to get money for like a seed or pre-seed idea, Silicon Valley?

1:05:31You needed it to build the MVP, the product, the minimum viable product. because the developers needed 150 grand and six months at a time. Now you can go on Claude Code and be like, Claude, I want a website that's exactly like this website. Give me feature parity with this website. And it will do that for you. And so it allows you to spin up businesses. You could spend a day, two days coding. You could have a very elaborate full stack website, front end, back end, and you could launch it into market and see if anybody wants it. So you can launch things at 10x the rate, 100x the rate. You used to be able to launch things and you don't need to go to the gatekeepers.

1:06:07And so as Bitcoiners, we notice when the gatekeepers are gone and we go, hey, wait a second, there's an open lane here. I think that's the opportunity for people. Don't sit back and wait to react for AI to take your job. Go out and make shit. Have you built any software with Claude yet? Not properly. I've done like one tiny little bit of software that's saving like$200 a month that is basically my Claude subscription. Right, so this changed my whole perspective on it. Remember the old to-do list like clash we had between software and writing it down? The problem with to-do list software is designed to be broad and, you know, custom, like everyone can have it and works for everyone, right?

1:06:42There's no like customization for you. And so I always like start one, I put stuff in, it just doesn't quite work for me. So I just went into a call and said, this is what I want as a to-do list. It's really funny. I built to do this with it too. It built it for me. And then I was like, I want to access this anywhere. So it taught me how to deploy the code on, I can't even remember, the website and create a Google Auth login, which I could never do myself. it's now there and exists for me as a to-do list. And so the realization was that, oh, this is why the software companies are fucked, is that you can build custom software for yourself.

1:07:14You do not need the software providers. Because when you look at some of the, I don't know, whether it's Slack or Monday or any of these things, they're complicated bits of software. Rolling them out in the company is quite difficult. But you can just build software which is custom to your business really easily. There's undoubtedly massive opportunity for people that actually take advantage of this. I feel sorry for the 50-year-old accountant that's not ready to retire, but is going to have some young person at the company figure a way of AI replacing his job. And this is where, I mean, you can say that, but if this reaches 5 % of the population, 5 % job losses, sounds like a small number, that's insanely detrimental to the economy.

1:07:50And I think this is where you have to have freedom credits or UBI, that's super lefty. Okay, sorry to interrupt, but let me give you the alternative view on that. We have a problem with young people now. Young people, some of them are struggling. They're getting degrees and they can't get jobs, or they can't buy a house, or they can't have kids, all those things. If we have to have a wave of people in their 40s and 50s and 60s that have a bit of struggle but have a bit of life behind them, they've lived, they've bought a house out. If we're sacrificing them so all these young, enthusiastic people can build this new AI world, I'm cool with that.

1:08:22That might be the sacrifice. I'm with that too. And by the way, just to illustrate the point of how easy this is to do for people who haven't done it. me and my buddy were joking around about you know the Strait of Hormuz and we were like somebody should make like a minesweeper game in the Strait of Hormuz because this was in the news they were talking about all the mines and he texted me an image of the Strait of Hormuz with the caption like this would be so funny somebody should make a minesweeper game in the Strait of Hormuz and I took a screenshot of what he sent me I fed it to Claude and I was like make this game and it did it and it like produced a minesweeper game of the Strait of Hormuz and then I played it on my phone just for myself didn't release it to anybody and then i was like that's fucking crazy and then i just went about my day but like you can take a screenshot of somebody else's idea and create a business or a company or a product or an app or whatever so there are no excuses for anybody anymore it's like yeah listen man i don't this idea that like you go to university or uni as you guys call it and then you like learn you know one thing and then you do that one thing for 50 years that shit hasn't been relevant since i don't know 1947 or something and so like why are we all sitting around like you know the cpa gets to like i don't know have this privileged perch in society where they just get to extract wealth when they're not like generating enough value to you know what i mean or they're not using the software to be more productive i don't have any sympathy for that i think you know the only constant is change you need to be really accepting of change because it's the reality that you're you're faced with there's no stasis in nature you're either growing or dying so when something new comes along don't just sit there and react or wait to react for it to you know oh it's gonna It's going to fucking take my job.

1:09:54This is where Bitcoin is uniquely placed. Because when I speak to friends in the normal world, they're not paying that much attention to AI. They don't have any idea yet. But when you're at these conferences, you speak to people about the stuff they're vibe coding. It's insane. Like, it's absolutely insane. Everyone's vibe coding something. Yeah. And you should be too. That's really kind of the lesson at this point. Yeah, so, I mean, it is going to be volatile. And I think, back to the original conversation, people are going to have two default modes. this is a great opportunity. I can create something here.

1:10:24I'm going to sit up later. Like I had a thing. There was a guy online, some commie, complaining the other day. It's like, it's so unfair working eight hours a day and this is all I've got. I was thinking, well, when I was younger, I had two jobs or three jobs. Or I was like, I remember when I first got into the internet, I would walk to a carpentry place in the summer. I would spend all day being the like shithand in the carpentry place, picking stuff up, sweeping. I'd walk home and all evening I was reading a book, Coding HTML. Like, you have choices to go out there and learn. Like, if you, most of these people, I suspect, if you look at their mobile phone, they're doom scrolling TikTok or Instagram.

1:11:03They're watching Netflix. TikTok, Instagram, Netflix, YouTube. I don't think any, if anybody was in their evening outside of their nine to five, is sat there online learning about Bitcoin and AI and code and vibe coding, they're not moaning. They're not calling for socialism. They're like opportunity. 100%. And so we're just going to default. There will be a group of people who are like, this is my opportunity. I'm going to go out and get shit done. And there'll be a group of people who will be crying and say, billionaires are bad. Let's tax them. Yeah. That's it. They're your two choices. Yeah.

1:11:31You have nothing else. We, like, the AI stuff wasn't doomed. The start of this conversation was a little bit doomed. Yeah. And we were kind of giving Pete a bit of shit. What's the light at the end of the tunnel when you put Bitcoin into this picture? Like Bitcoin plus AI or Bitcoin plus geopolitics? Or like, what? Everything. Like the fall of the Western world. Well, I'll give you one. This is an insight I had recently, which was I felt when I was on Bitcoin Twitter, and there was a moment in time where I was the most popular character on Bitcoin Twitter for a brief moment. Most banned. It was banned multiple times.

1:12:02It was hard to put into words. I wasn't earning any money from doing it. My wife would be like, why are you on Bitcoin Twitter all day long? And I couldn't explain why I felt it was super important, but I felt it was super important. and now with AI I think I kind of know why which is that we were biasing the AI systems towards bitcoin maximalism because most AI systems do lean bitcoin maxi because they scrape twitter and things like that so like twitter reddit these are valuable training sets for the AI and the AI is when you ask them about bitcoin they'll be like yeah I mean obviously bitcoin's going to millions dollars a coin and it's like that was us biasing the AIs right and so like it didn't occur to me at the time why that was important but i think it's important because it spreads the message further and wider than we otherwise would have with bitcoin twitter you know bitcoin twitter people are always like why are there not more bitcoins there's everybody should be in bitcoin you know why blah blah blah right but i think like via the ais that's like actually our most effective orange billing mechanism by us poisoning the training data that's kind of funny you know so i think that's part of it and then obviously like you know balaji has been saying for since 2015 we need to build the machine payable web yeah and so the machine payable web is like here now i set my claw i set up a claude bot i uh told him to you know go get it i gave him some bitcoin i said go set up a bitcoin wallet he set up like a proton wallet and i was like all right i'm gonna give you some bitcoin and i want you to go trade on ln markets with it so my fucking robot is trade has been trading on ln markets and is plus ev is profitable but i haven't i don't trust it enough to give it enough money to like, so I'm getting killed on fees and then anthropic tokens.

1:13:36But if I gave it more money, it would actually be a profitable trading bot. And you know, it's out there doing stuff with Bitcoin. Although he keeps forgetting his seed phrase. He's like, I'm like, write down your fucking seed phrase. He's like, okay, I wrote it down. I'm like, dude, no, put it in a fucking password manager, you asshole. And then he's like, all right, I put it in the password manager. And I'm like, all right, go get that seed phrase. And he's like, hey, I don't remember the fucking password to the password manager. I'm like, fuck, dude, you locked us out of our seed phrase, dude, our money's in there, dude.

1:13:59Have you not started prompting, store this in memory? Yeah, no, well, now I do. NVK actually produced a thing that's like LLM-Wiki, which is better for like internal state memory stuff and research. So like there are, you know, the Bitcoin AI thing is, I think, going to be a big deal. And it's just now in its infancy. But obviously everybody at the conference is talking about what they can do with it and how they're vibe coding new Bitcoin apps and how they're, you know, like the agentic flows for Bitcoin are amazing. Because you can just give your, you know, your clanker, you know, a little bit of Bitcoin and say, go out into the world and do XYZ.

1:14:37And like, they're kind of struggling still. My guy, my guy is named Gideon and Gideon's still kind of like fucking up. He's like, hey man, I fucking, I fucking, he's got a Mexican accent. Like, hey boss, I fucking fucked up, dog. I'm like, Gideon, what the fuck, man? And then he lies to me and shit, you know. I'm like, did you do that? He's like, I totally did it. And then I'm like, did you really get it? He's like, no. But as they get better, I think you're going to be able to like let them do all sorts of different like he said, I've never said I'm like Pete in this way that I'm fucking lazy about lightning.

1:15:07I've always been lazy about lightning and lightning nodes and all that shit. So I've never set up a routing node. I had my robot set up a routing node. That's cool. Did the whole thing for me. I did the same thing on LM markets with my claw bot and it traded for like a month and then clawed rugby, you know, when it changed like the subscription. And so I went on to see how much he actually made. It was like 70 sats in a month. I've been doing like eight trades a day. That's hilarious. What's your optimistic take? My optimistic take on the fall of Western society is that it's the same boring take that I think has always been true is that you can just opt out of this entire system with Bitcoin.

1:15:41I think trying to fight the system from the inside the way you're doing is awesome, but I don't think it's going to work. No, I agree. I think the only way to really make change for yourself is to go all in on Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. And I also think that, you know, decentralized systems are our only way to positively affect change going forward because you can't have a leader. They're going to get whacked like Charlie Kirk. You know what I mean? Or take your pick. Like... Don't point at me. This guy. No, I mean, like, they'll do Pete via reputational destruction. They'll be like... That's easy. Just come and talk to me.

1:16:18I've got loads. They won't actually have to kill Pete. They'll just do that. They just have to give me, like, give me one Bitcoin. I'll tell you everything.

1:16:27This has been fun, though. The band back together. So, listen. I agree with you. I'm with you 100%. I think you can opt out as an individual on Bitcoin very easily. I just think we're a long way from a nation realizing that is the answer. And look, I've opted out mentally to a certain extent. But it's a bit like, think about it like this. Americans are great at this. All right. So one guy gets trapped in Afghanistan, and they'll send three Apaches to save, and two will get shot down, but they rescue their guy. That's how I feel. Yeah. I don't want to leave my friends behind. Also, I want a better future for my kids, which means I need a better future for all the kids because I need a better future for their peers.

1:17:13And so I've mentally accepted it, but I'm also still going to try my best to support it. But this is why I think like Bitcoin education is still so important. Like it sounds selfish when you say I'm going to opt out myself, but you can tell all the people, all the communities that you care about, about this thing. And maybe you'll save some of them along the way. It turns us all into sort of Cassandra's though. Like it's kind of like Noah's Ark, you know, like we're going down to the town every day being like, there's a big flood coming. Everybody's like, fucking shut up this fucking guy. Right.

1:17:42And, you know, I think unfortunately that there will be a time to reap what we've sown and it will be all at once, all in a calamity or catastrophe of some type. And we do make meaningful change along the way, but in general, I have made my life more prosperous via Bitcoin. I've been more successful via Bitcoin. I've done so many things via Bitcoin. And people in my regular life don't fucking listen to me at all. They're just like, why would I listen to this guy? I missed it. And look, the reality is if you map out what's happening in society now to history, like collapse is kind of inevitable.

1:18:21We don't know the shape of the collapse, but it's very much forth-turning stuff. Like it would be kind of arrogant to say you can change the course of history, like the repeated history we've been through. You can make an attempt, but like we are kind of fucked because the political system is fucked because the political system just doesn't work. It can have periods of working, but there's no collective spirit in the UK. there's collections of collective spirit, but they're at conflict with each other. And there's no meeting in the middle ground. Do you not think that smaller communities are growing stronger because of that?

1:18:54Yeah, but that's why I think you might end up getting some forms of kind of sectarian style violence. Yeah. Because people are sick of this. I mean, the problem with the British civility is that we should be on the streets protesting right now. There should be mass protests in the UK against this government. We should be bringing this government down to its knees. I mean, the amount of not only destruction they've done to the economy and to people's lives, but the amount of scandal wrapped around this government. The corruption. The corruption. I mean, you know, Peter Mandelson, like, was approved for a high government position.

1:19:33And he's friends with the pedo, with Epstein. It's insane. And Keir Starmer still hasn't quit. Yeah. I mean, it just shows how much they don't give a shit about us, how much disdain they have about us. but how low quality the political class is. And so, look. People need to come to the realization that this isn't the government's house. This is our house. Yes. Like, we're all, like, unless you're a significant asset holder, the collective is being made poorer. And whichever party comes into power, the collective will be made poorer again. Yet we keep voting for this shit. And so the only point of voting is somebody who has a strong economic plan to reverse the decline.

1:20:12and lead us to prosperity. The Green Party cannot lead us to prosperity because they want more socialism, more wealth distribution. The Labour Party have proven they can't do it. The Conservative are a left-wing party. Reform are starting to dilute what they've already said. They're going to keep the triple lock, which means we've got these unfunded liabilities for the retirees. And so none of them are actually going... Do you know what? Me as a taxpayer, if they came in and said, Listen, we're fucked. We've got to tighten our belts. We are going to strip out a large part of the state, a large part of the welfare system.

1:20:50But you know that you with the broadest shoulders want to pay a bit more? I'm like, okay, I'll stay. If you're going to fix this, I'll stay. I don't mind paying more to be able to stay, live in my country and there'll be a future for my kids. But if they're not going to do that, I'm getting the fuck out of Dodge. It's funny, every time I see people now and you're not with me, they'll be like, how's Pete doing? Is he going to stay? That's always the question. Yeah, or is he going to run for office? Yeah, yeah. That one stopped though. I've been asked like 20 times today. Really? Yeah, I'm not going to do it because someone will kill me.

1:21:15Are you going to stay? Well, you do have to be willing to die to do the job correctly. That's why Eric Kaysen wants you to run. Yeah, he wants me to die. Yeah. Well, I have thought about it myself and I'm like, you know, if I did it, like I have to sign my own death warrant in my head and just be like, in order to hold the line, you have to be willing to let somebody put a bullet in your head. But then for what purpose did you actually die? You know, like if there's a it's like the trolley problem, right? if there is an infinite line of people to take your place at the trolley and you know pulling the lever kills millions and you won't pull the lever and somebody will just shoot you in the head and replace you with the next guy who will definitely pull the lever and they'll keep shooting people in the head until somebody pulls the lever why did you put yourself in that spot you know why did you get in line to pull the lever you it's a guy holding a gun to your head saying pull the lever i'm going to shoot you and then you don't pull the lever he shoots you the next guy stops up.

1:22:09I mean, that's basically steps up. That's what Congress says. That's what Parliament does. So there's no point running for office now because I can't affect change. I tried locally. I became an enemy of half of Bedford for trying to make the town center safer. I spent£30 ,000 of my own money putting private security in. We dealt with the crackhead problem. We dealt with the shoplifting problem. You know, people - And that worked. Well, when I was there last time, it was much better than the previous time. Yeah. I asked Bedford residents and they said they liked it and that Pete, it was necessary and Pete should have done it.

1:22:38Just random people. No, I talked to random people who were bedford residents. But the loud, crazy, middle-class socialist mafia came after me, tried to get me cancelled, attacked me relentlessly because they saw me as an extension of what they call the far right. For putting private security in. I'm an extension of the far right. You're the enemy. I have to destroy you. these are the same people who will kill you it gets back to what you were saying before about not caring like people need to stop caring as much and people need to be mean we need to bring back bullying like it's okay sometimes yeah i think so yeah yeah well it's it's good to just have your principles and speak the truth and have a fucking backbone and be a man in this life and say this is what the fuck i yeah stand for this is what i believe yeah and yet you know i mean honestly the core this is goes back to the western civilization point is that western civilization kind of developed because a bunch of guys were willing to say you know what actually it would be worth dying to prove a fucking point that's how america started you know what i mean like it would be worth dying to prove this point i do want freedom and freedom is worth dying for i mean george washington was an aristocrat he was one of the wealthiest men in america he had a great life like all he had to do was kind of like go along to get along things would have continued to be great for him.

1:23:57And he was like, no, fuck it. On principle alone, he chose to step up on principle alone. I mean, you know, England would have hung him for treason. Right. So like he, and you know, he won and became one of the greatest men in history, but like he was a traitor to the crown and he risked a lot, you know? And I think, again, this is another thing of like to tie it all back together with the, you know, the AI wave of disruption is like hard work doesn't equal reward. what you think you're owed what you think is fair those things don't lead to reward and they never will that's just not how life works risk equals reward so are you willing to risk something are you willing to put something up in order to gain something and that is the question I think for everyone especially young men across the western world I love it man or we just kill everyone Fucking hell.

1:24:54You've got an interview with Sailor. Yes. We've got to wrap this up. Good to have the band back together. Thank you, Danny. Thank you, guys. Appreciate you. It's good to be here.

1:25:24Thank you.