The AI Future Is Overhyped. Why Bitcoin Still Matters | Junseth

29:20Then all of a sudden, AI is announced. They're like, hey, by the way, we need these chips. It's almost like Bitcoin was like created by an AI back. well the government might have had ai back then maybe bitcoin is an ai and it was like i need to devise the greatest scheme in history to have nvidia make chips so that ai can become a thing in like the future and it only took 15 years really for it's just what 16 years for it to do it and uh that would be incredible but like you know bitcoin's a bitcoin's a global project people that have dreams for it uh have dreams for it and they can have their dreams.

29:57And that's, it's very selfish. Their dreams are going to be very small compared to what Bitcoin does. All my dream is that I hope that Bitcoin can always be used as freedom money. That's basically my only dream for Bitcoin. Cause that's why I cared about it originally. It's why I still care about it today. Like I think they're the only properties that I need it to not lose for it to remain interesting. Yeah. But those, those properties are endemic to it. So the way it would lose them exclusively is through regulation, but that doesn't change the properties of the thing itself. Yeah. But I guess usability is important.

30:33You need to be able to actually use it as freedom money. Maybe. I mean, if you want things to skirt regulation, then maybe recruit some anarchist UI developers. I mean, they're here. That's for sure. It's just that everyone's going to work toward the regulatory thing being prettier and better. And the hard thing is always going to be uglier and harder. Yeah. I like throwing these narratives at you because you just basically say everything's dumb. Everything is dumb. But do you think Bitcoin will be the money of AI?

31:13AI is really dumb. No, I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Won't Bitcoin be the money of AI? uh i don't know uh maybe tether will be the money of ai it depends on what ai wants if it's looking for like stable currency to trade in like tether is probably a better option for now than bitcoin but tether runs on bitcoin and other blockchains yeah but started on bitcoin like you know bitcoin is where all this experimentation began and it went to other blockchains for marketing purposes and then eventually for like liquidity you know if you believe as i do that like the liquidity collapse like that liquidity collapses to bitcoin eventually like tethers on bitcoin right and so you know to me like maybe maybe tether maybe bitcoin i don't know i could see a world where it's both at least in the short period it's ai so like there's no reason it can't just use credit cards and well there is ach because like if it tries to buy something on a website with a credit card and it hits a security check, what does it do?

32:18Well, I mean, I think the internet's going to change. See, I think this is what's going to happen with AI. I don't think that like, I don't think that you're going to necessarily, like everyone's going to lose their jobs, but I think the internet's going to fundamentally change. I think the internet is going to become like heavily botted. Oh yeah, for sure. Advertisements are going to be two AIs, you know, websites might end up being like, there might be entire sections of the internet that are just like blocks of code but it's just ap just api calls back and forth kind of i mean like ai doesn't need amazon to show them a picture of pretty shoes to buy them hmm so if you if you have an agent if that is like if we go agentic in the future here where like everyone's got their own personal agent um which i think is not gonna work today but it's just because it's too hard it's just way too hard these things are expensive like unless you have unlimited funds you're not going to be able to go like have a have have a good agentic experience but might change in a year so if we're going to go agentic like if that actually is happening you're not going to necessarily be doing a lot of your grocery shopping you know so why does instacart need to have like a picture a picture of the raspberries you know for you to buy them i don't know so i don't i don't know exactly but like to me as i'm watching traffic trends change on the internet particularly with regard to ads like it used to be that bots were taking over the web and you know for whatever reason people were just crawling crawling crawling but that there was enough traffic of real people i would say nowadays i'm hearing and looking at like websites It's content websites with 60, 40, 60 to 80 % traffic from AIs, at least in the short term that's been the case.

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36:07I've been using Club Orange since it was Orange Pill app and it really is awesome. So if you're on there drop me a DM and say hi and if you want to find out more and download the app just search for Club Orange on your app store or go to cluborange.org. But does that not get to the point where the internet just becomes unusable, if there's trillions of AI agents on there just publishing whatever. Because like Twitter already, like the bots on Twitter are insane. I mean, the Ouroboros effect. What's that? The Ouroboros is a snake eating its own tail, right? So like at the point AI is consuming AI content and then using that to train AI, I don't know what you end up with because you might end up with something incredible or you more than likely end up with something inscrutable and stupid.

36:52And it happens real quick because AI just can make a lot of bad content really quickly. So I don't know. I don't know. I've been wondering about that since the day it started because the first thing I heard is everyone's going to not have jobs. And I'm like, well, then that means AI is going to be the only thing writing. And if AI is the only thing writing, then AI is the only thing training AI. Which is already kind of happening. AI models are training the next AI models. Yeah, but they're training with data that existed before. So it's just the problem is if the entire internet becomes like AI's philosophizing to themselves about religions that they can follow, it's really weird.

37:31I guess that's the point where AI then over time just gets worse, not better. Yeah, I think so. I think it just gets worse and worse. It doesn't improve at that stage. Whereas if it's practicing on... I think AI in some sense needs to interact with the real world, world, if AI is purely digital and interacting with digital world only, then it's going to be very difficult for it to become better. I think that's often true of the Bitcoin stuff. And again, this is the autistic living in his room dream that you can, I just live on the internet and become better. And if you don't interact with the real world, you become better at coding maybe, but like nothing, you don't become better at baseball.

38:17You don't become better at understanding like what people like or enjoy or, you know, whatever. And, uh, and that's, I think that it's going to be very difficult for AIs if they don't operate in the real world as well. So this is like the idea that for AI to actually get to sort of AGI, it needs to have some sort of plain pet pleasure response. Depends on what you mean by AGI. Cause like eight months ago, AGI meant that AI was the singularity. And I then said, AGI will never happen. And now AGI means that like, it's like a little better than it is now. So what do you say? What do you mean? Maybe like super intelligence is a better word or, you know, I think you can't go as far as - How do you define super?

38:58Because like it can beat everybody in chess, right? Yeah. And it's really hard because like you almost want to say conscious, but it's not going to be conscious, but like, I guess perpetually self-improving, I think it needs a pleasure response to have like the right incentives. It needs to go out into the world and experience things I feel like, and that's where the AI robots get more interesting. Like imagine if every AI robot was like its own sort of self-hosted LLM that reported back to the mothership type thing, then it would have its own unique set of experiences. And I think that's where it can truly be considered like super intelligent ADI, whatever term you want to put on that.

39:35Would you call this like a Borg of sorts? I guess.

39:44I think in some ways, like I see these like futurists like Ray Kurzweil talking about how the world is going to be. And they're perpetually incorrect. Perpetually. Nothing they think is going to happen has ever occurred. And yet Google pays them massive amounts of money to come and speak as if they're like an alien from outer space explaining to you for the first time what the future of the world will be. But someone's got to have a swing. Everyone can't just be like, I swing all the time and I'm just so right. So this stuff I like, I, I, I think with like this, this AI stuff, I have a lot of difficulty because there's, we're clearly seeing some new people.

40:29stuff come on i do think ai is potentially as revolutionary as the internet however revolutionary you think that that was very yeah but i don't know that it like achieved everybody's dreams right so like i i keep getting called an ai bear because i'm like instead instead of like the internet um basically putting every single person out of a job making every single digital everything you know, obsolete, whatever. Maybe it'll end up in like a, you know, place where you buy pants and shoes, you know, for the most part, and then, you know, allow us to communicate and, you know, whatever. So there's, there's great things the internet has done, incredible opportunities, it's opened up, you know, amazing efficiencies.

41:20And, and it's made us a better, better as a society in some ways and worse in others like the consequences of it i think we have not necessarily fully dealt with nor like seen what they fully are right are you really talking about sort of social media here i i guess like to me that's sort of like a small i'm honestly like i i think outsourcing the the ease of outsourcing yeah the reduction of quality like have you ever used a phone from the 90s how old are you uh i'm 30 nearly 35 so barely yeah but i think the first phone i had was a nokia 3310 you mean a cell phone yeah okay oh do you mean like a natural like house like landline yeah oh yeah of course i use one yeah copper to copper yeah it's uh it's not digital right it's analog the quality is like you're standing next to the person yeah there's not you're not like i can't hear you your signal's bad you know that stuff yeah we sacrificed like high fidelity for bad fidelity talk to people anywhere and so there's consequences to that is it better i think we've all decided it is um there's consequences and that's like a lot of a lot of life is like that where we've given up quality for like sort of anywhere-ness furniture.

42:50I want to move 42 times before I'm 38. So I buy a hundred dollar furniture and instead of like ordering a craftsman home from Sears that has the furniture built into the walls, you know what I mean? And that lasts 135 years before it like ever needs to be looked at again. I know this is, you're going to, again, you're going to call me dumb here, but like, I think there is. I really call you dumb. There is like a fiat element to that as well, though. Like when you consider how expensive like handcrafted table is compared to like the average salary, and then you compare that to like my parents' generation, there's a big difference there.

43:28I don't think so. No, I don't think so. I think there is, but I think that it's not just fiat. Wait, like why can't they go? But it's also, it's the loss of craftsmanship. A handcrafted table used to be made by your grandpa. Exactly. That's the point. That's not true. Like, you can still go get lumber from Home Depot. You could make a 1990s-era red oak table for maybe$800 in wood. I think you're right there. Because, like, my dad could build a nice table. I couldn't. Yeah. I mean, you could if you watch enough pornography about videos, woodworking, though. Yeah, true. Yeah. It's like the whole world now just learns everything through porn.

44:04That's actually the interesting thing. Like, it's the sort of information has been democratized. Like you can go on YouTube and watch, I'm sure there's tens of thousands of videos of how to make a really nice table, but no one does it. Yeah. Or very few people. Because it's porn. It's titillating, especially to men. It's pornography. Yeah. So like you want to make a, you want to make an heirloom table. You can watch someone go make an heirloom table and fantasize about how you would do it too. See, mine is the people that go out into like the woods in Alaska and camp with nothing. I've never done it.

44:32I never want to do it, but that's the thing I watch. That's your like titillating pornography. But now you know how to do it. That's true. Yeah. Although I stick me in that situation, I'm dead in a week. You can learn in two ways. You can have generational knowledge passed down through the generations by the old folks, or you can learn through pornography. And I think like the latchkey generation and many others after it learned their sex from Playboy and other places. And the modern day child is learning sex from X Hamster and YouPorn and PornTube and Pornhub And I mean, you know, all of them, obviously these are, we discussed this earlier, a longer list than I did.

45:17And so, so like you can learn, you can learn sex through watching people have it, which is what like the modern generation has done. And it's the same with everything else. It's just, you, you can learn from the old generations. You can learn by being hands-on or you can learn through porn. And there are consequences to that. So it's not, like, to the earlier question, it's not social media so much that, like, I'm that worried about. Like, I don't mind, you know, phone books online, which is essentially what, like, most social media is. But I am, like I said, I'm a Luddist. I don't know how to use most social media, to be honest, and I don't really care.

45:56Because, like, I just think that the whole, the world is made for humans, whether you believe in God or not. None of this matters if it's not for our pleasure. And so I don't spend a lot of my time indoors experiencing the pleasure of like surfing the internet. Like, I'd rather go into nature and look at it and be amazed and in awe of a thunderstorm that's happening and take care of my yard and trees and plants and stuff like that. I'd rather be tending to my external environment than tending to the environment that I can create internally. And if there's like automations that I can make that allow me to do that better and more quickly, oftentimes I'll take advantage of those.

46:50Like this morning, I put a gardener out of business with AI. I put a timer on my hose. But so essentially, I started this by saying, do you think people will revolt against this? And actually AI could be a way off the internet for a lot of people. Like AI could be the interface between you and the internet without you having to go on the internet. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying though, is like, I think that there is a world in which like people use AI to go do the things that people used to do. And I think that that frees up a lot of your own time. And like, I don't think necessarily, like, I don't, I'm not going to lament the like loss of Instacart shoppers or something like, but maybe, maybe that doesn't get lost, right?

47:31Maybe Instacart shoppers remain and maybe Uber drivers remain, or maybe eventually they're replaced by actual robots, right? I don't know. Maybe you have a robot kitchen in your house that makes Chef Ramsay-type dishes. That's an American HODL idea I'm talking about. But maybe that's the kind of thing that happens. But yeah, I do think that if there's anything really good about AI, it's the promise that you as an individual will have the opportunity possibly to do more interaction with the external world. And I don't think that's what the autists are thinking is going to happen. I think that they think your whole life is going to be like taken over by the AI monster.

48:12Whereas I'm thinking like this sounds, AI sounds to me like the promises that were made to me about IoT. Everyone, every company in the world wanted to be the hub of your home. And they all tried. Microsoft Honeywell PlayStation Sony every Amazon Apple all wanted to be the hub of your home and then like and then what what happened is like some of them were made the hub and they were like what the fuck are we getting from this what information are we gleaning nothing nothing nothing and they tried it in the thermostat they tried it at like in the home speaker systems they tried as you know doorbell yeah in the doorbell they tried everything like we'll make the doorbell the hub of the home.

48:54We'll make everything, whatever it is. Nothing worked. And what people ended up doing is like, kind of like mishmashing ecosystems together. The true IoT people have really discovered that they maybe want their speaker system on IoT, if you will. They maybe want like some plugs on IoT. They like their garage door on IoT. And then every other thing in their home, they want offline, you know, for the most part, maybe a few extra things. Right. But the, the IOT world was one in which everyone was attached. Every, your shoes were on the internet. And I was told that was going to be a great world. But like, then when I heard that, I was like, that's stupid.

49:37Like that's again, another world created by like an autistic retard sitting in his room going, it's better this way, you know? And that's not how the world is. I don't opt to live in that world. You know, I don't want, I don't want to replace the batteries and my light switch every four years. Cause that's fucking gay. But like, I think the world that you're painting there is very sort of utopian. Like it sounds great if you don't have to switch world. I don't, I didn't say anything utopian. I was talking about like the world remaining a lot like it is. Well, but it's like, you're saying you'll, Everyone will have more time to go outside, touch grass, think, walk, whatever.

50:15Like, that's great. But what do they do for their jobs? Because, like, if it does replace a big portion of white-collar work, which I think it has the potential to do. In Australia, you guys can go back to... In America, we got other sorts. That's getting cut. I know. That's getting cut.

50:35There's always one part of you that gets cut. So in, in the reality is that when people have more time, daddy, you can't handle the jokes. I can, but I'm not being associated with the jokes. I feel like I wouldn't be allowed to go to Australia if I tried. I don't think you're allowed already. The, uh, so, I mean, the thing is like, people have more time. You might get, that's getting cut too. Which one? Both. Everything's getting cut. The whole thing's cut. No more. I was, I think, I think that when people have a lot of time, like you have the ability to do more things and think about more things.

51:15I think people underestimate the need for men to create in particular, like I'm often called a sexist, but I just believe men and women are really different people. And men, what's that? I think they're different. Yeah. I'm not saying that like women's better, one's worse, but they're different. Being a man is more awesome. you know, external pudenda is awesome. It's just like less showering, you know? So like, you know, that's the thing. It's like, is that men, men have a drive that forces them to be, to produce. That drive is hot chicks. and i i think like for whatever reason it seems like a lot of that motivation has been reduced over the last couple last few years and i don't know what the reason is but like a lot of men have abandoned uh attempting to like impress hot chicks anymore but i do think that there's a world in which a lot of that motivation comes back because it's biological and i think if there's more time to be outside and do things, men are going to create more things.

52:30And they might, the good ones are going to use AI to do it, right? Like, I talk regularly about like my own little projects. I have lots of little projects that I do just for fun for myself. But I enjoy scaling things. I make a wood finish in my garage. I know exactly how long it takes me to make it. I know how many I can make with like a, you know, whatever size, whatever I make. Right. And so I'll make it in my garage with my recipe. I know that it takes me 30 minutes to make X number of jars and I sell it for X amount. This much profit is how much I get. I don't do anything like that unless I'm making$500 an hour.

53:17but i sell eight a month you know for a profit of you know 13 a thing right but all of my hours combined are 500 an hour and if i had 15 little jobs like that then i would be you know making 500 an hour from 15 jobs maybe the future is everyone's got 45 jobs Maybe they're growing tomatoes and selling them at Trader Joe's. I don't know. But if everyone's got time, then we can think of things to do. I'm not worried about that. Like, that's what everyone's like. What are we doing? Everyone's out of a job. We know what to do when everyone's out of a job. Go make a job. But see, that's not the part that necessarily worries me.

54:04It's the part that is like the step between here and there. Because if like you said, you don't think this is going to happen fast. I think it is going to happen fast. If it does, and we have 5 % of the country unemployed, then 5 % of the country are now no longer servicing debt. What does that do to the economy? I think if people can't afford their mortgage, then do we go into a 2008-style financial crisis? Do we have UBI? What happens there? All these things are like punctuations. You have a punctuated three to five-year period. They're not. They're three to five years. We have the Great Recession.

54:41Were you jobless during the Great Recession? I was like 17. Okay. Were your parents jobless? I did have a job, but... You had a job during the Great Recession at 17. Your parents? I was washing pots. What about your parents? My dad had his own business, kept the business, definitely did worse during it. Yeah. But you had a job. Do you know a lot of other people that were jobless or most of the people that you knew? I know people that lost homes or had to at least downsize homes. Okay. They did downsize. Not that tragic, to be honest. I mean, see, the tricky thing here is like, I was like lucky.

55:15I was amongst like, I went to private school. I had like - Most people are though. Most people are. I don't know. Is that true? Like by definition, can that be true? Yes, it's true. Most people are in like a privilege enough, like at least of the people that, you know, in these societies that are producing and doing things. Yeah. Yeah, the eaters, the eaters might lose their jobs, but like a lot of people are producers and and they will find work i'm not too worried about it like i i remember reading in uh an article by um it was eb white talking about how he lived through the um great depression is the editor of the new yorker at the time and saying that like he barely noticed it was happening which you know you read the history of it like how could you not notice this was happening in the reality is that like i look back at the 2008 financial crisis i graduated into it got a job lived in new york like got a crappy place like every kid who gets a job in new york out of college does lived on top of someone's kitchen in like a four by five by eight foot like like hollow and a futon bed that they pushed up there for me and they needed some help so i rented it for 550 a month which i didn't have um so this is like you know the story of every major depression is that like there's a bunch of people who can't get work or can't find jobs or lose their jobs and and it sucks for like a portion of people but it's not that it's it's not But the tricky thing there is, like, what happened?

57:02We know what happened to the wealth divide since then, and it's only got worse. And you're lucky in that situation, because I guess about that time is when you found Bitcoin, not long after, at least. And so, like, you have had a very unusual experience post-financial crisis, whereas most people have comparatively got poorer compared to the people, like - I don't think that's true. I just don't think that's true. Like, I think that, like, in the last couple of years with, like, great inflation, that's true but we had like 10 years of really low inflation before that which you know made people comparatively rich look at the s &p 500 for the last 10 years but these are all the asset owners you ever done the math of put like put money into like tqqq five ten thousand dollars in 2010 how much money you have today i don't know a lot how much 10 000 in 2010 uh 15 years 500 000 i think it's like i think it's like two million dollars yeah that's really triple levered QQQs or something.

57:57But again, this is always focusing on the people that like can buy assets. It's$5 ,000. Yeah. There's a lot of people in America that don't have$5 ,000 spent. There's people that are bad at managing money. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not like, I'm not like, I don't find it that interesting to like discuss like the, uh, discuss people that like can't manage their money because like, yeah, those people are going to be like maybe out of jobs, but they don't have that important jobs and they're like not managing themselves. But even if you don't think they have important jobs, like it does matter to society.

58:31Yeah. Well, it depends. It depends on what they're doing. Not even that the job necessarily matters to society. Someone else is going to come along. Someone else is going to make a job that they can do. But they're like, if it's a menial job, like they can. But it's not even that the job necessarily matters to society. It's the fact that like the wealth divide matters to society. I think there are less menial job takers than you think. That's what I'm trying to say is like, there are people that are taking menial jobs. How do I navigate this? Like I've already said things that are so offensive, I feel like.

59:03At least you, we all know this. There are people that have menial jobs that will keep them and who can manage themselves, right? Like there's people who work at McDonald's in a menial way and like retire with millions of dollars because they managed their life. I guess what I'm saying is like in a situation where there's turmoil like this, or you think there's going to be turmoil from job loss, the people that don't manage their lives now are going to have a lot of trouble navigating that. But they would have trouble navigating every single crisis. And I'm not that worried about them because I think there are more people in the world that are managing themselves enough that we're not going to see like 90 % homeless rates across the United States because nobody has a job.

59:52You're going to end up with people who are like, I got to feed my family. I'm going to sell peanuts door to door, you know, and they'll do it. Might be back to like the Hoover salesman coming to your door to sell vacuums. I don't know. But I do know that like people figure things out and I don't think that it's going to be as fast as you think, or as fast as anybody seems to think, despite the fact that AI is advancing really quick. We'll see. I don't think that it's going to be like jobs lost as fast as everybody thinks. And the reason is because I think people realize, particularly the very wealthy, that you can't transition so quickly as to have your own house get burned down by the plebeians who are coming and like, you know, burning the beast's gates, right?

1:00:39They know that they have to transition probably over the course of a generation and they will do their best to do it.

1:00:49And a lot of the people that like I think would be out of jobs here are hitting retirement age. Like we're like seeing sort of a boomer exodus from the workforce and like the new group of people that are coming up there. A lot of them started working younger. they started programming when they were in like eighth grade you know maybe they weren't saving money but they had well-paying jobs for many years and there's a lot of things that might change but like a lot of them are also very aware of the changes that are coming like when a journalist when you have the entire the entirety of the journalist class lose their jobs you don't have riots in the streets that's just like those are the people that don't riot yeah that's true when you have computer programmers all losing their job, they're like, good, I don't have to talk to anyone anymore.

1:01:35You know? So I do think you said something interesting there, which is that like, I think I agree that maybe the people most at risk here are the older workforce, because they're not going to be the ones that necessarily adapt to AI as quickly, like sweeping statement, but I think generally true. And I think the younger kids, like I've got a kid similar age to to your kid, not to you. I think they're going to be all right. You're really all right. I think they're going to be all right because there's going to be a lot of time to process what happens in the next 10, 15 years. Yeah, they're going to get to see, like, the world is going to be, like, whatever world develops, it's going to be massively different 20 years from now than it is today.

1:02:14But, like, look at what people predicted 20 years ago. They told us today, 20 years from then, that universities would be dead. Yeah. They told us that oil was going to be gone. I mean, the Amazon rainforest is going to be completely burned down. Like none of this happened. Yeah. The same number of people apply to Harvard every year. And I mean, could the universities be gone with AI though? your guess is as good as mine but i'll bet you i'll bet you the chances are about the same like you can predict also like institutions have staying power and they have staying power for a lot of reasons reputation being one of them like don't fall into the trap of the like autistic bedroom dweller like telling you his dream for the world and how he's about to achieve it it's such a mistake because the world the perspective on the world you get is so dismal and like you like people start telling you things like you like you never ever gonna have to fly on an airplane again like but that do you want that world if i could teleport fuck yeah you don't know not not the teleporter like do you want the world where you never get to go to south dakota and see the badlands with your own two goddamn eyes absolutely Do you want the world where you don't go to the Grand Canyon and look down at it?

1:03:41Like you did. You're just like, wow, what a beautiful VR rendering of the Grand Canyon. It's just like the real thing. Like what a crappy world. And there's just some autistic stream of how you and I will live. And he's so excited about it. And I'm telling you, I don't elect to live in that world. Me neither. I know you don't. No one does. So why is that the world that like when we talk about things, we talk about AI, we're like, and then it's going to, airplanes will crash out of the sky. It's going to be so cool. Like it's, it's not the world that you will elect to live in. Maybe a world in which like you have more free time is when you elect to live in, but a world where no humans have jobs, nobody's doing any work.

1:04:22No one has any idea what to do. Like you're talking about zombies. Like we're just like, Oh, that's the world that AI is going to bring. Oh, great. I elect to live in that. You don't have to live in that world. You can elect not to. And no one elects to live in that world. So that is not what AI will do. It's a really simple rubric. Like AI is going to give us, hopefully, a world that all of us are more desirous of. And if we take AI and it has consequences that we do not like in 20 years, we will roll them back. just like we're doing now with immigration or with like, you know, some of the outsourcing or whatever it is.

1:05:06We're rolling things back because they have consequences. And as we see the consequences, we take back the world for ourselves and we live in a world that we elect to enjoy because we're the ones for whom it's created. This world is not created for AI robots to enjoy. It's created for you and me. And if the world is not one that you elect to live in, and it's not one that I elect to live in, then what's the point? Yeah. I mean, I agree with that. The thing that does suck though, is that narratives matter, at least in the short term. And I think the generation that are in a really tricky spot right now, the people leaving college now, the like, I don't know, say 16 to 25 year olds, if they're trying to go into the workforce and all these companies are trying to prepare for this AI world that you're saying may never come, but they're at least preparing for that.

1:05:56Like the jobs that are on offer to them are completely different. Yeah, go make a company. It's never been a better time. Everyone in your cohort is going to be out of a job because they're all lamenting the coming of AI. Go, I don't know. I mean, like when Bitcoin's down, I start companies. I just started a trash cleaning business. A trash bin cleaning business. It's like all the rage. I didn't know this. We had maggots after a party last year. and uh and i wanted to get my trash can clean because it was disgusting and i don't want to do it myself because that's gross so i uh so i looked online and i found out that there were like people that did this and i was like this i was like i wonder if this is like a business and sure enough there's a few people doing it in a small way i was like you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna try one of these businesses so i bought a truck and uh and we've been selling trash bin cleaning services locally in South Florida.

1:06:54That's awesome. Yeah, but like, what's AI going to do? I mean, you get it to clean your bin. You're going to get AI to clean your bin? Maybe. If I have a robot, maybe. Maybe. Yeah, maybe it will. Maybe it won't. I don't know. But like, you know, my truck is going to do it better because I have, you know, high pressure water coming out at like 200 degrees, you know, like he's going to clean with a hose and some bleach. Um, there's just like, it's just very, there's, there's tons of jobs out there that you can go make for yourself. You can make them. You don't need a truck. You could do it with a hose.

1:07:31Like I'm, I'm only talking about cleaning bins cause it's the one that I did, but like my wife wanted to start a nursery. So I went and I bought a bunch of plants and I put them in our front yard and said, here you go. And then I advertise on Facebook marketplace and now she has a nursery. Like it's going to be a funny mindset shift though, because I don't think most people are entrepreneurial because they think they're just going to get to go to New York and work in finance. Most people think that. As an example. Your view of the world is like, you're telling me like my view of the world is like, everybody's like, nobody's getting jobs.

1:08:05I mean, I think the vast majority of people going into the working world think they're going to get like a corporate job or be a mechanic or whatever. I think you're right. But well, there's nothing and there's nothing wrong with that stuff. But I'm saying like, if you're, if the world you're entering is one in which like AI is taking over. That's the narrative. That's a short-term narrative. And the result of the short-term narrative is that there are no jobs available. If you're a man, and I'm not saying women can't do it, but if you're a man and you want a hot chick, you need to just go make a job.

1:08:37It's not hard. Go make a job. And you're like, whoa, what am I going to do? I don't know. Buy shoes cheap. Go door to door until you find someone to buy the shoes. I don't care. Like sell peanuts, sell Diet Coke at like a concession stand. I don't care. But like go work. No one in your cohort is working. So go work. Go find work. Work is good. Go find work. I mean, a world of more entrepreneurs is a good world. Become an entrepreneur. Go find people with coconut trees in the backyard if you're in Florida. pick them and then set up a stand at the side of the road and sell them like it's it is there are so many opportunities that are not going to be taken by ai no matter what at least not in the short term and if they are in the long term the world may suck because we want people to do things like it's the commies and the libertarians who are the same thing they're ouroboros the tail is the libertarian and the communist is the mouth right they're the same goddamn thing they're both of them have the same dream you're gonna just take off that you're gonna sit i know that you're gonna sit there on the side of of the stream at the end of the day in their perfect world and you're gonna be fishing which is what you definitely want to be doing as a human you want to just be fishing all day that's fun and that's their dream world and like that's cute and i think that like some of this stuff fulfills that it's like everyone's gonna be out of a job and then we're going to all be on UBI.

1:10:10And it's both mine and my communist friend's dream as a libertarian. And that's exactly what the world that they want, is everyone on UBI, like Milton Friedman said. And it just doesn't, it's a terrible world. Yep. It's a really dismal world. I totally agree with that, but I think we might go through a period of UBI. Yeah, they're going to try it. It's going to fail, because all things where human incentives are not aligned with money fail. So if we do UBI and you give people money to lounge around and do nothing, the program will fail at producing the consequences that you'd like. Do you think that's a situation where everyone just, or not everyone, a large amount of people just end up drinking themselves to death, doing drugs, like loss of meaning?

1:11:01Could be. I don't see why not. In a world where if you construct if you construct the zombie apocalypse is the world that you live in and you elect to live in that world you're going to have a lot of people eating brains you know it's just not you you can't survive as a as humanity if we're electing to live in worlds that we don't want to live in you've made me feel better about ai good i guess i don't feel anything about ai i just like everyone do you feel anything i've been trying to for years it's like so i cut myself that's getting cut why that's a good joke i mean i mean i don't i don't really feel much toward ai i feel immense love toward my daughter I feel immense love toward my wife.

1:11:55I feel love of a different sort towards my friends, toward you. I feel great about the place I live, and I feel wonderful when I'm outside fixing things with my hands or I'm in my garage turning a piece of wood, right? Like the idea that that AI is going to come and make me feel worse in that world is nuts. And the idea that it's going to take my job is nuts because I will just create a new job in that world where AI isn't, you know, is either part of it or is not. One sec. Hey. Works for me. All right. Bye.

1:12:45schedule a training on cleaning dumpsters. There you go. See, I think narratives are really important, though. And I think one of the interesting things is that sci-fi for the last 20 years or however long have been that AI is this terrible thing. It's going to kill us all. It's going to take over the world. And hearing someone say that it can be actually kind of restorative is really interesting. Yeah, I think that's... But I do also have this like other belief that either you believe that AI is human or like conscience or you can believe in God. And I think that these are diametrically opposed beliefs.

1:13:24I don't think you can believe them both. Why not? Because in my world, God creates life. It is magical how it happens. there's insolument and all sorts of amazing things that occur. And consciousness is a gift from the creator in that sense. So then we as humans fiddle-faddle with our machines, and we create this thing that feels very alive but isn't. And it feels so alive that many people believe it to be alive. And, but we can't really do that. So like in my world, it is impossible for AI to be alive. It can't be alive. But humans can be. And I think in a world where you believe that AI is alive, it's very difficult to believe in an all-powerful creator.

1:14:30Because, you know, apparently we can just create life. so it makes sense you know why why what's the point of god see i'm not religious at all but um god couldn't have created the ais why not i mean god can do anything but i say if you're not religious you will believe that ai is real it's alive i see i don't at the moment not yet but you will i again it's very hard to say what i'll believe in the future. I can't see it, but potentially. I think I'm in a place right now where I think that everyone is going to fall into the two camps. And there will be one side you'll have to take. And I just think it's inevitable because if the better AI gets, the more real it seems.

1:15:21Yeah, but then it's like that gets to the point where you think that AI has to have some kind of human rights treatment and they're equal to humans, which... It's common. You think? You wait until the debates start. Might be 30 years down the road, but yeah. Yeah, unless I start believing in God, I think I'm going to fade that narrative because I can't see that. Just wait. Should we talk about Bitcoin? We've done like an hour on AI there. Yeah, let's do it. You're wearing your ocean shirt. Are you a BIP 110 guy? Am I a what? A BIP 110 guy. I don't know what that means. Yes, you do. No, I don't.

1:16:00You're such a liar. let me let me tell you something i think that right now in bitcoin there's like factions developing and political uh political parties of a sort developing and everybody wants you to take a side and i just couldn't care less uh i'm an ocean investor because i think ocean is a good money-making opportunity possibly i think it's also very good for Bitcoin. I also think it's very good for Bitcoin to have a mining pool like Ocean.

1:16:39I'm not always a fan of ideology entering into your business, but it's their business and they get to do what they want with it. And it's not like you invest with Luke Desch Jr. and don't know that he's got an ideology. So I think that there's some sort of political thing going on here in Bitcoin right now. There's factions developing. And I think that like, it'll probably end up making Bitcoin better in a weird way. And everyone is going to be surprised by how. Yeah, because it gets more, like we don't need, this is money for enemies. We don't need to agree on everything. There's this, there's no point.

1:17:15Like I'm glad there's factions. Like who cares? Like let Core fight for their like legitimacy always. Core is this amorphous group of programmers that come together and decide on how the Bitcoin protocol looks and it could just it could be just as it could be that core you know loses that legitimate like power and that's some other you know implementation takes over it's just like i think that i think that everyone should always be on their toes in a world like this everyone should know that if you put some kind of like bad code into the blockchain if you put any any anything you'll be found. And it'll be, and apparently the accusations will just go nuts.

1:18:03Like you will be accused of looking at child porn and, you know, jerking it to pictures of, you know, your mom, which to be fair, like that whole narrative has been very disappointing, but, um, it is what it is. I, I get what's going on. It's, it's all, it's rhetoric. It's, it's the, it's like the worst people at rhetoric playing games of rhetoric yeah you know what i mean yeah like they're like it's like they didn't take the rhetoric class in college and so they're sitting there like well uh you look at child porn and you're like wait wait what like uh-huh and they're like no i don't oh yeah that's something like a child porn guy would say you know like okay like that's you know so it's like two guys two sides of a coin neither side like core was not prepared for taking political positions because there are a bunch of autistic programmers and like the other side didn't tell them because there are a bunch of autistic programmers that they were going to start like doing rhetoric and so it's autistic rhetoric versus like unprepared autists and it's really funny to me to watch i'm not disappointed i i sit back and watch the game you got to do more of that like being in the stadium announcing the game kind of thing it's like oh you're watching child for and let's see what he's doing you know what she's doing and you know and she just kind of like sits there and doesn't know what to do it's you know it's it's fine like it is what it is i mean who does know what to do when you get accused of that and i do think it's disappointing you say no and then you just move on like you say then you go well that's what they'd say yeah whatever like do you i think i think that if you're a regular consumer of that content you'll get caught in like not too long a time, you know?

1:19:49Like they'll show up at your house and they'll raid you and everybody will know because it just, it is what it is. Like it just seems, it seems like it's difficult to not end up stepping on a lot of giant landmines when you're like searching for that stuff. I would think it's rife with FBI and CIA or whoever the hell the like enforcement agencies are. Yeah, but so are you a, are you a BitPontent guy though? Am I a what? Do you support BitPontent? Come on, you never pull punches. I don't care. I actually have not looked strongly into BIP110. The idea that we need to control the blockchain, I've always thought was, not control the blockchain, but control what is put in it.

1:20:34I think that the blockchain has a very limited amount of space. That space has a price. maybe we've made a mistake with like the segwit discount and stuff like that i don't know i think that'll let people debate that and figure that out but like as to whether uh as to whether we right now need to regulate it like i don't know because i think i think that like what needs to happen is like this is the whole bitcoin that has not done anything yet bitcoin needs to be used primarily for its function of transferring value from place to place right now such that that is the number one reason that someone wants to use the blockchain and until then every we will have a million attack vectors things people want to put in there whether it's words or not and so i'm not like i'm not that concerned about it i never have been i think that there's a lot of people that are concerned about it um there has definitely been some like bloat in the blockchain which i don't you know it's it's bigger right now than maybe it would otherwise have been but i'm not i'm just not that worried about it yet.

1:21:38It's still early in Bitcoin's history. I'll let them debate it. And then if they implement it, they implement it. And if they don't, they don't. To me, this is more about the emergence of factions than it is about whether a BIP is going to end up getting operationalized or not. Very fenced city. It's not fenced city. Do you care about every BIP? No. Me neither. There's someone that cares about every BIP. And there's some people that like just don't know what's going on i i tend to know what the bips are and then you know some of them i'm like okay that would be good that would be bad you know there's some ideas that i think are good and some ideas that i think are bad and like they just they get hammered out in debate and then i have to be honest no apart from like maybe starting a movement in the in bitcoin i'm not going to affect whether that bip gets implemented or not unless i have a really strong opinion and like start i don't know lobbying the developers i'll call adam back and like let him know no um but like i i just like the bips are most of us don't really know day to day what the bips are you're just in your bitcoin's then watching that's always been the case with me i'm always watching like fence sitting i've never taken strong stances on on what bitcoin should do other than that like it needs to it did and probably needs to remain serving the underserved, which is exactly your statement.

1:23:04It needs to remain free and open, right? Freedom money. So that's exactly what I think. As long as there remains freedom money, like you do whatever you want. The rest is just noise. Yeah. Like it's, you know, it's an asset in your computer and then they're trying to put controls on it, whatever those controls are. Some are going to be regulated, you know, with a code, some with laws. Yeah. I mean, as much as i called you a fence sitter but i think more people probably need to have that opinion i i can't imagine caring so much about everything like just people spend so much time caring whatever like i i i make jokes bitcoin uncensored back in the day it was all fart jokes like the whole thing fart jokes and then technical discussion fart jokes and technical discussion fart jokes and that was the show like if you asked me to summarize it that would be it was I think it was mostly a podcast about fart jokes and like Bitcoin technical discussions.

1:23:58And I don't think you can have the perspective that like everything, everything is important and I must care about it if you're going to tell a lot of fart jokes. And like, that was the thing is like with BU, we just, we just kind of watched. We just let it happen. We thought things were hilarious. We thought most of what we thought was funny was how seriously people took themselves. Like we. And now everyone does. Everyone takes themselves so seriously in this space. Do you guys realize where we came from?

1:24:29Bitcoin Magazine was run by a guy who put on those fake horse contests, horse masks, and all over himself and posted these things online all the time, embarrassingly. like ethereum bitcoin's competitor is run by a a weird emaciated ethiopian child who like needs to eat a burger and like i don't know like none of this it's all funny nothing here is serious and yet like there's an eft or etf about it hilarious i don't know that surprises me It's as surprising as an ETF about Pokemon cards. Or Beanie Babies. Or Beanie Babies. It's hilarious. And people take themselves so seriously about it. And it is important.

1:25:19I really do think it is important. But I think that it is contingent on everyone to remember where we were. Like when the suits got here, that's when things got retarded. Like we had suits come in for a while and then try to sell blockchain to everybody. Every time the suits come in, it gets dumb. Because they don't know what they're looking at. So I don't know, like everyone's taking themselves so seriously. It gets real bad when you get serious folk in here. I mean, I kind of love that. That's that's a that makes me bullish. Yeah. Yeah. No, this is a toy and we're playing in a sandbox. And then like maybe at some point someone goes like, oh, that toy looks really amazing.

1:25:57I'm going to turn that into a big toy for adults. I don't know. I think that's what the ETF is in some ways. Like they're like, it's a big toy for like, well, that's cool. I'm going to turn that into a big toy for adults. So they wrapped it in an ETF. And they're like, now it's a big toy for adults. And the adults are like, oh, wow, look at this thing. It's kind of cool. And so I think that's kind of what's going on here is we've been playing in a sandbox. And then the suits showed up multiple times in Bitcoin's history. And they did just the dumbest things. And they were always funny. And then we watched suits fall for scams from other suits.

1:26:30And then we'd watch the suits that just got here go on CNBC and go like, I've been here for a very long time since May. And you're like, whoa. I remember, I've told this story before, but I remember the first Bitcoin conference, there was a VC who got up on stage. And he was on with a panel of four people. It was like Mo Levin's first conference. And this guy, this VC is talking. And he's like, I've been in Bitcoin quite a while. Been in since, I think he said like$200 or something like that. and we're this is like january i think i remember turning to chris and going that was may he's been in a while he's been in since may like what is he talking about like the suits have no idea what they're doing and i love it i think that that's great i think like it's really difficult for me to take anything we do here seriously because it's so the the people that got the richest are the funniest most unlikely people to have gotten there like have you have you been watching bruce fenton i i really like bruce bruce fenton took himself so seriously for years yeah he was you know mr bruce i'm so serious i'm big money guy he would make fun of me like you're just an alarm salesman or you know whatever now people like you're just a trash guy you know like like oh yeah bruce okay bruce goes now and like does bitcoin uncensored like bits in front of his like city council ship because he's bored and so he puts on like a wig and not and talks like a tory and like it does these things and i was like okay there we go like don't take yourself so seriously because on the other side of this as you're trying to build your wealth as you're trying to build the world you want to live in on the other side of this when you retire you'll realize that you you took yourself serious taking yourself seriously was nothing but larping and then on the other side of this all you want to do is go and like talk to your city council like an englishman put on a ridiculous like Tory uh fucking uh wig you know he's doing that like uh what's it called is it gumbo style what's the word I'm like gonzo style journalism yeah you know that's gumbo gonzo yeah gumbo uh Gumby style journalism uh that was what we like again BU we always thought of ourselves as like gonzo journalists in a sense like where you become the story as well and that that is you know what BU was it was gonzo journalism but I just I just think it's funny that like i see people who spent years trying to like take themselves very seriously getting off the serious train and like being i'm rich i arrived right i can stop being serious and then they're like oh i guess here at this station i don't have to be serious anymore and they put down they put down the pretense and they suddenly become like hilarious funny people that are no longer the professional that they like pretended to be for 10 years.

1:29:23So I don't know. Like I just, I think it's, I think it's funny in Bitcoin how seriously people take it. And I just think that everyone's got to remember that like at the end of this, we're all going to take our pants off and probably find ourselves in some kind of orgy.

1:29:39What else is the man? We've talked about a lot there. I don't know. Do you have a really unpopular Bitcoin opinion? these days i feel like my ai opinions are the unpopular ones these days like i like that opinion do i don't know if it's true but no it's like the only really positive outcome from ai that i've heard i mean the bitcoin opinions are i feel like they're all said and done like any like specific things about bitcoin like bitcoin's kind of doing its thing right now. It's just kind of like we're in a bear market. Uh, this is a good, like being at 70k in a bear market feels pretty good.

1:30:16That feels it's weird, isn't it? It's like, Oh, bummer.

1:30:22It's, it's real weird. Like, I don't know, like Bitcoin is Bitcoin. It always has been like my, my whole thesis about Bitcoin. Like I feel like much of it is one and I just kind of like sit back and let bitcoin do its thing it's not there's i don't the metaverse is dead it never was uh all of these shit coins like i said they still exist but like i don't think they will forever real world assets is the new metaverse real world assets is the new metaverse which is was obvious because you know it doesn't make any sense on real world assets like i i think i don't like the touch grass meme but i think that like i find that having a sense of the world you're in is the only way that you can kind of understand what's coming particularly when things look difficult like everyone thinks they're going to lose their jobs and i i kind of like work it out in my head i'm like okay so like someone in the company is going to have to go in and really learn ai and that's someone like in an entrepreneurial sense is gonna have to be the person with the incentive to get rid of the workers like you're not gonna get the workers themselves to work themselves out of a job so like the entrepreneurs themselves are gonna have to do it so maybe there will be businesses that go like come in and do it they're gonna they're gonna charge you fifty thousand dollars to teach you the ai that will help you get rid of workers and then you as the entrepreneur are going to have to like actually hold become a manager of the ais and if you suck at managing people you're going to suck at managing ais and so your whole company like now is like on your back whereas before you had like an operations manager and like three or four levels of people that actually knew what was going on and like just the world that that's just not how it's going to go.

1:32:18It just like, it's not going to be that fast. The only people that are going to be able to do this are the people that are like the ones with the incentives to get rid of the jobs. And there aren't that many people like that. I love it, man. I really hope it takes longer than we think. It will. Don't worry. This time next time, clothes will be shredded. I have no pants we're doing in the metaverse couldn't afford to drive down the gases two dollars a gallon i just can't afford that anymore my ubi i checked didn't cover it really like i don't i don't know like it just seems it just seems to me to be implausible that that all of a sudden we're going to have a whole bunch of competent people show up and like all of these companies like from the other side that the you know the gelman amnesia effect you know what this is no it's the idea that you you know in a in an industry you're competent in if you look at a newspaper and you read about it so like you go you read the reporting on bitcoin on the new york times and you're like you're reading it you're like that's not how bitcoin works oh yeah what the hell that's not true that's not what the debate what are they oh my god this whole article like 93 percent of this article is wrong that's weird then the next page AI gonna take all the jobs whoa no right yeah like they just you just read what someone in your industry is going is is thinking like and it was 90 wrong you flip the page and you forget that like that just happened and that's that's kind of how i feel like with with ai like you get a couple of people like i worked in the ai industry and everything is going to change and no one's gonna have it these people aren't not making companies they're still making companies explain that one to me they're still hiring programmers to do the jobs that programmers need to do they're still hiring janitors they're still hiring operations like managers they're still hiring drivers and still sending their kids to school the janitors and the bin cleaners will be the last ones to go you've diversified well that's my goal but like you know what i mean like these these silicon valley guys who are telling you that the world's about to come to an end like why is why is there uh the rate of starting companies not slowing down don't believe the hype it's not that it's it's not that it's not like you know when like if barack obama tells you the world's going to be underwater in three years and then buys a home on martha's vineyard or whatever like right next to the ocean maybe maybe there's something he's saying that he doesn't actually truly believe in his heart of hearts.

1:34:59Yeah. It wasn't Miami meant to be gone by now. Miami's been gone for the last 15 years. It's been underwater. Like this is the thing. That's why I picked the highest department I could. Oh, good. It is beautiful. Just in case it's this time. It is incredible the amount of times the experts are wrong, particularly in their timelines and the amount of credibility we give them every single time they propose a new timeline. yeah like elon musk has never been right about a timeline and then like he comes he's like oh well you know the jobs will be done in like a year and a half and blah blah blah and like no one's going to be in work and we're going to be at mars in two years and like you're like okay uh can i can i get that full self-driving on my car that was promised me eight years ago or whatever yeah it wasn't the roadster meant to be out like six years ago he's like roadster that's right he's Like next month, it will do.

1:35:47Yeah. For like six, seven, eight years. So, you know, that's true of Elon Musk. But like you have scientists who for the last 30, 40 years have been predicting the demise of like every major city along the coast. We're still here. Yeah. We have, you know, experts in programming that have been telling us like the future of the world looks like, you know, this with like this new technology, IoT. Maybe it's not true. Everyone's annoyed that their fridge connects to the internet now. Yeah. And nobody wants - I've never understood why you'd want your fridge to connect to the internet. 10 years ago, everyone wanted their fridge to connect to the internet because - Yeah.

1:36:31And then I think in 10 years, AI, many of the promises of AI will look similar. Mm-hmm. I do love the idea, though, that this could be your interface to the internet and you don't actually have to be terminally online. That sounds amazing to me. Wouldn't it be great? Yep. Yeah, I just, I don't know exactly how that looks. But to me, that like, if you're going to set up things like agents, and like, this is the thing, AI has gone from like, absolutely horrendously bad to like, wow, that's pretty good. But you got a preview of what it was doing a year ago. It's like, oh, it writes things. Cool. Oh, it makes images.

1:37:07Cool. But now it's like you can literally take two photographs and be like, take this image and take the thing from here, transform it, combine it into this image and put them here. And then voila, you have a near perfect facsimile of that. So that's cool. And I think it'll probably get a little better. On the agent side, it's brand new. People have just started running like CloudBots and stuff like that. So that's an absolutely terrible experience. I've got one. It worked amazing for a while. Now it just keeps breaking. Just an absolutely terrible experience. but in a year maybe two years might be that these agents are incredible i think that's out of the box the likely outcome so if that's the likely outcome what that means is that your agent is going to do things for you that you don't want to do they're going to grocery shop for you with your help right they might message you and say hey are you out of bananas you can say actually yes i am like that's what i thought because it's about that time and it'll say hey are you out of uh you know dishwashing detergent you know yeah actually i am or no and so it'll buy these things for you and it'll like make your general life pretty easy and then you can focus if you want to buy things that like make your life fun now you're going to shop for things that make your life fun but you might even ask you ask your ai to do that but for the most part like if you can allow the ai to do all that stuff you just get a bunch of time back you just unlock productivity it doesn't have to be productive like it depends on what you mean by productivity like time Potential for it, but yeah, time.

1:38:34You're allowed to not do anything with your time. It doesn't always feel like it. Especially with a kid. But yeah, that's the thing. You have a kid, so more time with your kid is wonderful, right? It's amazing. You'd hope that you could have more of that. Absolutely. And I wouldn't call that productive time. Not in any way, shape, or form. It's absolutely like useless, like relationship building. I don't think that's useless. Totally useless. No, it's just relationship building. It's not like you're not making money, right? Like you're earning dollars for that. But you're probably building a better future.

1:39:16Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're making the world. You're electing to live in the world that you want to live in. Yeah. I love it. Jenseth, I genuinely love talking to you. You're one of my favorite people to have on the show. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, everyone else. That's how bad they are. Very, very, like, low standards. No, it's been awesome. They normally say, where do you want people to go? But you don't want people to go anywhere. Unless you've got a dirty trash can around. If you're in South Florida and you want your dirty trash can clean, go to washacan.com. Thank you, man. I will see you soon.

1:39:52All right.

1:40:04Thank you.