Wrapping up 2025 - Q & A with Ollie Marchon | S3EP.11

33:34Ollie Marchon:And hopefully year on year, we can bring something that, you know, is the intersect of all of those things. But again, if we were building just for an end goal, you know, a monetary end goal or for quick money, we'd be doing this very differently. You know, we could raise a boatload of cash tomorrow and fucking turn this baby up. But it changes the way decision-making goes down. Sometimes for the better, by the way. but right now we have a think tank of people that are very good in their field and like I say I think we're able to show up as a brand with newness every year without getting too caught up in trying to be too far away from what our kind of what this brand was built in which was was rooted in in a journey-centric approach to fitness and what fitness did for someone whether that was to be an athlete or whether that was just to be a great dad or wife or whatever it may be or mother um and so long as we can keep serving the training community we don't need to move much faster so in that sense of uh investment then because some people have asked previously about would march on overtake investment or whatever it is in terms of how you feel about investment do you think it's it's down to whether a business is ready or what they would use that capital for?

34:54I think, yeah, I think, you know,

34:57Ollie Marchon:you have to know what you're going to use the capital for, otherwise someone's not going to give you it.

35:06Yeah, I think knowing what it's for is super important.

35:11Ollie Marchon:I also think, maybe I mentioned this before last time we spoke, you only see the success stories of businesses that have raised investment or gone on to do X, Y, Z or sold at a certain valuation. There's loads of businesses that don't do that. There's a business I know of very recently that sold at over a billion where the founder only owned X percent. And so his payout was something far less than what the headline showed. So again, it's each their own of what they're building. But right now, we don't need any of those things. I do think that as we grow up, we said distribution becomes a limiting factor.

35:46Ollie Marchon:Now distribution might mean that you have to double down on marketing and paid advertising and or, you know, athletes or bigger events, et cetera. And some of those things will require putting shul on the fire. And so that might come from a debt facility before it comes from equity, as an example. Also, the people that you bring into your business is really important. I speak to so many people that have now got a board or they've been backed by VCs, where all of a sudden it completely changes the culture of their business, decision-making trees, and the pressure that they find themselves in. Why do we need to add that pressure on ourselves?

36:20Ollie Marchon:I don't know yet. So I can only speak for our business. And it's not that one's better or the other one way of doing is better than the other. It's just what's right for you as a founder, what's right for your team, what's right for the business's needs and what you're building for. Amazing. Next question. what has been the hardest part of the business to delegate slash let control go off i think initially product because obviously that was how we were built i think we were built around yeah most businesses built around product but it was something that i was very much hands-on with uh so letting go of that in the very elementary state you know it's um way of it was like becoming off the the coaching floor not having a hand in how we program online um i think more recently uh finance like someone else overseeing finance and me just being more consulted um that's also you know was quite tough uh but i also think that like the more we've hired and the more i've been in business like the founder's role is to recruit great people I think I think if a founder ever steps away from the hiring process at any level you risk damaging the culture and damaging the the caliber of people you bring into business I think that's super important there's been moments where I haven't been as invested or integrated into a hiring process for a member of staff and they're the ones where I feel a bit more distant from either the individual or the reason behind doing it or the need to retain that person.

38:05Ollie Marchon:And so I think my role is to make sure that I'm always actively involved in that process. Even if it's at the latter stages, but making sure I am involved and that gets passed through me. But your role as the founder is to slowly remove yourself from every role that you're doing and be able to move on to that next one. And so delegation is part for the course, I think. Amazing. the positive comments by the way for the last couple were best in the game keep pushing the buzz around the cherry cola pre-workout was a favourite moment had that this morning it's a banging product to be fair and the shred in 2025 this is your moment to plug the shred yeah you don't have a shred 2026 mate I'm not OM's coming back coaching the shred January 2026 if it goes down well first time in how long that you'll be this is the first time that I'll be coaching fuck as long as I can remember man i don't think i've got i don't think i've i don't think i've written a program in the app for four years five years i don't think i've coached since before covid obviously i've coached in other capacities but not in terms of this uh so really excited obviously i've got some targets that i need to hit and if i don't hit them i won't be coming back so uh please join my program link in the notes yeah um okay cool so with the conclusion of 2025 which has us all thinking about the future let's flip it around and question what one piece of advice you would give to all the 30 year old ollies out there not specifically ollies but 30 year olds that maybe are in a similar position of wanting to do what you've done it's mad when I'm that old now it's the reference to the 30 year old what would you tell 18 year old ollie what advice fuck I think just do what makes you happy man yeah do what makes you happy I think we spoke a lot over the last 24 hours 48 hours we speak a lot about perspective you know everything the madness that goes on in this world um I wish there was like something that when like things were on your mind or things you know you you were you were getting a the anxiety kicks in whatever else there's just a button you could press and be like giving that perspective from that moment um because I think there's there's loads of things now on a you know a daily weekly basis that stop you in your tracks and give you perspective and then you realize fuck like what I'm worried about isn't that important so I just think you know 30 year old Ollie was worried to fuck you know three years into building the business three years out professional rugby um you know had all the confidence in himself and whatever else but just you you sometimes get caught up it ain't that deep you know it's really not that deep so I think just like do what makes you happy uh and keep the people close to you as close as you can yeah great i remember my first uh training camp for my first fight when i was 15 and i was absolutely shit to myself my coach said to me you're not living in the moment and i said i am i am i feel like i'm living in the moment he said it's impossible because anxiety can only be felt if you're thinking about the future because anxiety is being scared of something that hasn't happened yet so if you're in the moment anxiety cannot be a feeling so again that perspective feeling of feeling anxious about something that hasn't happened or overthinking something if you're present that feeling can't enter you yeah when I when I was at Nike uh as a Nike master trainer we spoke to I can't remember what his role was but he was a you know a very um well accomplished strength coach and he had this phrase of just be where your feet are and I think that's super important you know sometimes I'm guilty of being too much when my feet are in the sense that like I don't worry about tomorrow that's something I do to practice like I don't worry about tomorrow until I wake up tomorrow and that's not that I'm disorganized it's just that I need to you know finish today first uh but so I think being when your feet where your feet are is super important um and you can be anything you want in this world but you yeah so to just like do what makes you Abby amazing that comment was I've absolutely loved the YouTube the and the unsung heroes of March on Lauren March on who we've all learned is a foundation of Ollie's success and the unsung Sam come on to keep the quality of the YouTube to be honest I don't think I've got much of a hand in that I think that's been you this year which has been very good to see uh well you do edit it for me I just have to press stop start and check shit uh more to come on the YouTube for 26 we've got some stuff planned and I think in terms of how we're showing up on socials again we've talked a lot over the last couple of weeks about the plans for that and I'm excited for what 26 has got in store question will this be the year 26 that Oli does a singles high rocks potentially yeah

43:06Ollie Marchon:it's not again it's just not that why is that that important? Do you know what I mean? To me, I know that competition and whether it's marathon, high rocks, everywhere else is like a big part of who I am. But competing in a high rocks for me is way more fun doing it with like one of my gym members or doing it with a mate where we can see how far we can go. Trying to run a sub 60 minute high rocks or whatever it is, it doesn't actually interest me that much. um it is interesting in this industry that it's very much a case of everyone's got their like favorites of who they watch and who they um engage with on social media and when there's crossovers that happen whether it's into different sports or different events it's always like people are waiting to see who does what and where they come i don't feel like that's a like it's very industry specific right like if i'm watching like i watched a cvon video the other day of him talking about the the i mean it's kind of talking about everything you've always talked about which is like he now wants to be jacked and athletic because he wants to be able to run around with his kids and dominate them in sport and not have the burden of being a bodybuilder and being unrestricted in his movement etc and it's like again when he says stuff like that you're like oh it'd be interesting to see him do certain things because because of who he is and see how he stacks up but it's like that general feeling in the industry of like again this person's probably you've seen you know your physique your training your marathons etc and been like oh i wonder where he stacks up in this like field do you think that's like an interesting place to be as like one of these people um it's an interesting place to be but again like it's it's like the the content the context is super important because when you're on the start line at high rocks it's like no one no one's thinking do you know what's really like what i find really important It's like a really impressive, like a Michael Murray, right?

45:03Ollie Marchon:Goes and kicks it in high rocks, runs a multi, multi, I don't even know how, hundreds of millions or billion pound business, has kids. I'm looking at him and going, fuck yeah, that's inspiring to me. Other people are going like, well, some people that understand the context of what he's just achieved might be inspired, but they're thinking more about the influencer guy that has just actually trained twice a day for however long to run that sub 60 minutes. Like, I don't get paid to do it. It doesn't really, and we're not just talking about Harrocks here. It's like anything I'm doing from a fitness standpoint.

45:40Ollie Marchon:We spent a year, you know, with this marathon pursuit and running a sub three hour marathon is a goal of mine. That is personal. It's not about, you know, it's not about business there. And like I said, it's not that that's super impressive. Like, Ollie runs a sub three hour marathon, all of a sudden we must worship March on. Like that's, that's ridiculous. But it was a personal goal. But actually in the pursuit of doing that, I think about all the things that I maybe, you know, could have done with that time. And actually like, I loved playing rugby and fucking smashing into people. And the test, the physical test that it brought and the combative nature of it.

46:18Ollie Marchon:And I think I said just before, like when I first came back to the mats in jujitsu, and I think I mentioned this on YouTube, in our jujitsu where we train, there's maybe like half a dozen eight people none of them are super competitive most of them are slightly older than than at least me you know certainly older than you and they're hobbyists but the feeling of being capable on those mats in that fucking five by five meter room in Hemel Hempstead with a bunch of people that no one would ever you know know of or care to know of means way more to me in this stage of life at 37 years old that's got three kids that wants to make sure that like I'm ready to fucking rock and roll if anyone if I need to than running a sub three hour or two hour 30 marathon now that's not to contradict the fact that I believe in these like tough goals in your calendar and I believe in the race and I believe in the event and you know and running a high rocks is certainly in that bracket but it's a personal journey that you have to be able to build into all the things that you're trying to achieve now running a singles hierarchs is certainly a goal but if the expectation is to me get to get anywhere near 60 minutes or whatever it is i don't even know i don't know where i'd stack up that's an expectation i don't care for not because i'm um concerned about the the or scared of it of the the that goal it's just that like the context of it just like it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things to me and the person that you're maybe if you are wanting to see how i rank against other people it doesn't really matter like i'll race them then let's see what's behind the scenes in terms of their business then let's see if they you know their parent three kids then let's see all the what are the all the other measures for success it's not a six-pack and it's not a time or race or whatever else um and i think that's something you learn as you get a little bit older yeah nice so I don't probably like what I'd rather run 10 doubles than a singles yeah it's not because I'm scared of like burying myself do you know what I mean burying myself for 60 minutes or 70 minutes or whatever it is I've done that 100 times over but fitness for me isn't about that as much anymore yeah okay I don't know is that answer yeah yeah yeah no I get what you're saying I think the the question itself is probably again it comes from probably a place where it's more of a I want to see people that they look up to doing certain things it'd be like me asking maybe see bum like when are you going to start jiu-jitsu it's like I just want to see it I just want to see what happens it's like what would be enough for those individuals right because me rocking up and do a single a singles high rocks I could do it tomorrow.

49:11Ollie Marchon:I don't know what my time would be, but I could do it tomorrow. Me spending six months to rock up and do a singles high rocks to really give the very best of me. No, I think it's just a perspective thing. At what expense? Because we saw me try and do that with the marathon. I tried, I put the effort in. What did I get for it? The acts of the training certainly forged discipline and I got fit there and everything else. But there was a number of things that fell by the wayside. And I don't necessarily think that level of, particularly in the stage of business that we're in now, we've had a very difficult year in business.

49:51Ollie Marchon:Could it have been better if I was able to show up better in the workplace? Probably. Did the marathon impact that? Again, I don't really know. But in order of magnitude of my priorities, running high rocks recreationally would be up there but by virtue of the question the expectation is don't run it recreationally we want to show up and see what you're made of in which case I'm very willing to go on record and say I'm nowhere near any of those athletes okay I mean never say never who knows can we give The other thing is like getting a fucking ticket Well true The ag of getting a ticket man Yeah very true You mentioned jiu jitsu there Can we give jiu jitsu a couple of minutes on the podcast And just talk about How you feel about the sport In terms of what it's done for you this year I feel like it's in the last What it's been two years I think it's given a lot in terms of Again the reason I was so keen And when I first started you'd already been Thinking about doing it so it wasn't a hard sell but the the feeling of being on the mats to me it always been a case of there was no other thing in my life that everything around me stopped and I only thought about one thing for an hour and that was that thing so for someone like yourself that is constantly thinking about a million things all the time do you get that same feeling and what what is it what is it for you that is so attractive to that yeah like I said like in some if there was three hours where I could and this is certainly an evolution of how I view fitness there was again look back 10 years ago on my Instagram fucking doing loads of wall balls and sled pushes and loads of like sprints on a treadmill I've done this like a thousand times over um now put in those three hours of where I could go and practice wall balls and burpee broad jump and lunge technique into being on the mats and rolling with a bunch of men um at any level super fulfilling I love it it's even even better that I get to do it alongside you and my brother and my best mate Chris like I said there's something very I don't know whether it's older because I'm older I've got kids I've always been very capable physically but now like learning something where you feel capable not because you ever envisaged having to use it but I think there's there's something in that, like I said, it trumps any marathon time or anything else.

52:26Ollie Marchon:I think learning to handle yourself and being able to defend yourself is very cool. And to your point, the sheer focus you have to have on the mats when someone's trying to choke you out or whatever is, yeah, it's really cool. You walk out of that thinking, wow, I feel like all my problems went away for a period of time. And I think, you know, because it's been popular for a number of years and there's been some great people in space. Obviously, James Smith has been a massive advocate for it for as long as I can remember following him, you know, five, six, seven years. And I think at the start, you think, oh, no, I'm strong, man.

53:02Ollie Marchon:I'm fit. I could run a sub 60-minute hierarchy. I don't need to go and do that. And that fear, the insecurity of all of a sudden, you know, you have to wrestle someone and try and submit them. But once you overcome that, like it's for someone like me like I say everyone's got the thing that's going to be there this is certainly it's massive I think the only thing my only frustration is certainly has been very sore because you know movements that that I'm not as accustomed to in terms of how my body's moving after years of sagittal plane up down front back lifting and the fact that we train late at night and I can't sleep pisses me off again 26 maybe more to come on that front is there anything else that you wanted to mention talk through shout out moments etc from this year that have stood out to you

54:03if the general podcast audience were in the room later today what sort of things would you be talking about in terms of to the team that is we've got our wrap up

54:15Ollie Marchon:like I said there's there's there's loads of like cool moments where we've done amazing brand campaigns when without limits was was was really cool relaunching the women's formula products um the storytelling we did around that was superb like having all those then ladies and you know friends and family at the silver palette for that dinner like these these small moments that uh sorry these big brand brand moments that but it's in the smaller moments the way you're sat in a room with these people and it's like it's it's visceral i i get really i read messages on my instagram every day people telling me they've changed tonight you know this has changed their life like that's that's the stuff you know i'm not i've all like i didn't i've been brought up very fortunate you know didn't really want for much was was um i mentioned many times like a it was certainly, I wasn't spoiled.

55:14Ollie Marchon:Everything had to be earned, but I've never really, I've not come from nothing. I've had a very fortunate life. And so the riches and all the stuff and the material stuff and all those things that the brand achieves, it's not like, this is life's work. So it's deep in that. And the smaller moments with what people say and when you have the interactions and when you fly to Australia, the 200 people is really amazing, but it's the conversation you have with the person at the end of it. And they go like, oh, this, how do you meet us? Oh, I saw this thing. that's really special so the dopamine hits it every day I'm grateful for everything big or small Amazing I think we'll wrap up there what have people got to look forward to for the podcast in the new year?

55:56Ollie Marchon:More consistency I do think that like I think there's we certainly need to again like everything we try and sharp each year we need to improve we need to level up it's about elevating everything we're trying to do I think the podcast is something that can often be on the back burner in a busy week when we're thinking about the way in which we want this podcast to be consumed is with the guest in front of me, being able to read the body language, being able to dive into a really deep and intimate conversation and bring value to the audience rather than it being like a Zoom recorded thing where it's about volume and just getting something out there.

56:29Ollie Marchon:So because that construct is quite difficult and in order of magnitude of priorities, there's moments of the year where this can get deprioritised rightly or wrongly that will change in 2026 in the sense that we'll try and build into a cadence and reverse engineer how this is going to play out but we've finished wrapping three seasons in this now, I think we've brought a lot of tremendous amount of value across those three seasons this one's been very much more kind of coach heavy and technical but we're still trying to balance like I say the inspiration the stories of people that have been there and done that in whether it's sport and business and then also actionable bits that people can take away into their training whether it's through nutrition training health related stuff so more of the same and we'll start recording like I said third week of January we already have someone in the books to record for season four whereas this time last year we didn't start recording I think till like October yeah so big changes in that respect yeah we're very conscious we see all the lovely messages um the you know the the audience growth on on spotify has been crazy actually for the last year um it really seems like like we talked about in a world where snippets and 30 second 10 second videos on instagram and tiktok etc is booming people are still wanting long-form content that they can engage with experts that you know you sit down and speak to so it's really cool to see that people are still engaging with that type of content and gives us a bit of fire to push the podcast on and get some more guests for 26.

58:07So yeah, really excited for that.

58:09Ollie Marchon:What's been your highlight, Sam, of 2025? I was going to actually say at the end, have you got any questions to me as a joke? No, I actually would quite like to ask you something in the next five minutes. My highlight of 2025 for the business, like a moment or a... Go business and personal. for the business I think I think I don't want to take your answer but Australia was a really cool trip and again to go so far away from home and have people wearing the t-shirt saying that they've seen you on YouTube or they've they watched x video on Instagram or I mean tell us in general are your content sick like we're following it from over here it's like the perspective thing of you know sometimes if you're chasing the algorithm you're chasing numbers and you're like i didn't hit x amount of growth that i wanted to this month or whatever and it's like you know take the youtube for example some videos might get 5 000 views which to anyone that has zero subscribers and hasn't started youtube might sound like great but to someone that's again looking at everyone else and the industry and mapping it against some videos that did 100 ,000 views or whatever, I'm like, oh, it didn't do as well as I want.

59:29But when you hear someone say, I watched that video, which has happened for a video that I had in my head, you're like, oh, you are one of those 5 ,000. And if you, being one of those 5 ,000, engaged with it, you thought it was sick and it got you closer to the brand, which made you buy the supplements, which helps your training, which improved your body composition which has been a goal for you for the last however long again this is all coming from conversations i've had with people telling me about certain things i think the value you put on those numbers then changes so like 5 000 seems like a fucking massive number if half of those people felt similarly to the person i spoke to so again the perspective of speaking to people and especially on that australia trip where i had a lot of those conversations whether it was about youtube videos or podcast episodes or clips we'd put out on Instagram or PDFs we've made for the training or whatever type of content it was that when sometimes you look at numbers and you think oh they're not great numbers because you're comparing them to millions and tens of millions or whatever it is the value you can put on those numbers I think does change when you do speak to people and I think that can never be undervalued is actually having conversations with people and finding out what value they got from what you've been doing because again putting a face to a number changes that number massively so for me I think that trip for was it was a big one because again it gave me a kick to say that you can chase the numbers all you want but actually are you making stuff that people will resonate with and take things from and if that's the case the numbers will follow eventually or the people that you are reaching with that are being impacted so the job's being done anyway um so yeah I think that very very

1:01:14Ollie Marchon:Very good. It comes back to how you measure impact, right? It's the same in business. You look at it from your standpoint as a creative and a lead on content. It's like views, clicks, links, et cetera. And in business, people look at impact. Is it the revenue they hit for that year? Is it their margins for that year? But again, without understanding the context of the business of what they're building for, it's very difficult to compare. It's not comparing apples for apples. But I think something that, again, going back to our origin story, it was about impacting 150, 200, 300 people, local people in this market and getting them healthier and fitter.

1:01:49Ollie Marchon:And that's how we've tried to then build everything out. So impact is actually about changing someone's state, changing someone's mindset, changing someone's ability to go and achieve either in fitness or outside of that. I think, yeah, we're very fortunate that we get to travel the world and witness that firsthand in what people say. From a personal standpoint then, what should be your biggest achievement? or is it kind of attached to that in terms of you've been able to you know a lot of that has been through you know your strategy and yeah I mean I obviously take a lot of um pride in in the work that I do for the business because I you know I feel so close to to everything this is like my second family I moved my life up here and the people I know up here are the business I don't have like friends outside of march on really i mean that's due to not really liking the company of people but you know it's i i am like i am so connected to this business so again the the business wins feel like my wins and progression that we make you know it's why we have such passionate discussions on certain topics because it's like we both feel so strongly about the direction of the business it's not coming from a place of either of us well even myself thinking that I know any better or I think I've got a better idea of something it's like I just want to see the business succeed so at any cost I want to try and make sure that happens so again from a personal standpoint that is the bits that fulfill me I think a big year a big thing for me this year was sort of was it felt like the first year in the last few where I've moved up here that I've like built a life up here if that makes sense so I feel like you know that the work day doesn't just and I think this is the same for a lot of people whether you're working a you know stressful job in London that you're traveling to or whatever it is it can sometimes feel like you go to work you come home you go to sleep you get up you go to work you go to sleep actually what has been built with this business and the freedom that kind of it allows is when you're working on stuff you enjoy it just feels like life it doesn't feel like you're working at nine to five because you know there might be nights where I stay the office at seven eight in the evening or whatever and just realise that it's late, go home, or log back in at 12 o 'clock and think, fuck, it's 3am and I've been working on whatever.

1:04:09But it doesn't matter because it's all part of one thing anyway. It's not like work and life. It's just kind of blended. So it's felt like that for this year, that actually everything's felt more... I don't know the word. Balance isn't the word because it's not been balanced, but it's like integrated, yeah, probably is a better word.

1:04:30Ollie Marchon:And you've got yourself a lovely lady friend that you yeah exactly there you go shout out shout out Maisie the jiu jitsu thing because obviously you're a big part of how I'm so into it right now you started MMA as a little whippersnapper yeah what does it give you why are you so obsessed with it yeah interesting enough so jiu jitsu for me was when I stopped fighting I moved into jiu jitsu because I kind of it was the next best thing for what I was using MMA for I think that I've gone definitely gone through a transition of the you know the reason why I got into MMA it's kind of a personal reason but after the the last fight I had and I said I wanted to stop fighting for whatever reason that was I still needed that like escape of you know my thoughts I'm not again we mentioned I'm not really a personable person I don't really go out for drinks with friends or anything like that so a lot of thoughts and feelings and things like that I do internalize so not having a release for that whatever that looks like you know when I was younger it looked like smashing shit out of heavy bag or a person and then it moved into actually you know the connections I can make on the mat I'm extremely personable when I'm rolling before I turn up to a gym for an open mat I want to go and like speak to people and ask how long they've been training and like get involved with techniques and that sort of thing whereas like in a normal setting I probably wouldn't go near them or speak to them because I don't really care I'm like not bothered about like their daily lives but when it comes to jiu-jitsu I'm like that connection really means a lot to me yeah and I'm not sure what that is I think like it gives you that shared sense of like you're both doing the same thing you both understand what like what you get out of it it's like the connection you make after doing a role with someone you know a five minute role some random person you're like instantly friends it doesn't matter what's like what's happened or you know whatever and I think like it does give you that that sense of something you know even now like I've been I've been training like you know nine ten years I still get it where I'm like I don't want to go to training tonight but I know every single time the minute I step on the mat I'm like this is where I need to be and afterwards I'm like yeah obviously I fucking enjoyed that and obviously it was great like but it's still the cycle of like sometimes doing the hard things is really important I think that's something I've learned from you is like actually the things that scare you the things that that you don't want to do sometimes you just need to fucking do them because more often than not there is exactly what you you know it's exactly where you need to be i think that's the that's the the biggest thing that when people talk about like what's that one behavior it's just the ability to do hard things now that's that's a spectrum right that the hard thing doesn't need to be the sub-3o marathon or the solo hierarchs whatever else although those offerings now could be the thing because they're so accessible and it's culturally really relevant but doing the hard things is the momentum starter for the discipline and the you know the elevated thinking the elevated performance um and i think you know again like for me doing the hard thing is was getting you know getting on the mats and going now and now go there going there after work going and doing more fitness isn't isn't i mean it's still hard in terms of the actual act of doing it but it's something i've done for a lot of time um i think the other thing about you you mentioned their jiu-jitsu and the connection to the individuals there, you know, spoke to a guy there the other week who had spent all day driving his Uber and he came, I think it's a Romanian guy or a couple more is from Poland.

1:08:16Ollie Marchon:I think he'd spent all day driving his Uber and he came just to like, just to, you know, just to have, have his moment. And, you know, his story was that this is the final, he's been here 20 years. And by the end of this year, he should have saved up enough money to go back and build this house in Poland where his wife and kids still are. Um, and that's just stuff just like so sick. I think that's also why I'm naturally, I've always been involved in team sports. I've never played the solo sport. I think that's also why I naturally lean more towards, you know, a high rocks pairs or, um, doing the pursuits where there's other people involved.

1:08:48Ollie Marchon:I think there's, that's, that experience of experiencing fitness in that way is, uh, I think that's, it's the beauty of, of what it, you know, of what, what it is. And again, I might be wrong, but I think there's very few sports in the world that you get humbled as much as you do in jiu-jitsu at a consistent rate. So in turn, to me, that makes everyone that does it a certain type of person when you speak with them because their ego is left at the door straight away. so in any other sport you might have like I mean again in Jiu Jitsu at a high level there is big personalities but I mean most of the guys we've met some of the, I've trained with some of the top guys they're all just decent people because they've all done the 10 ,000 hours of being submitted and feeling like shit and going home and thinking that they're not good enough and getting close to quitting the sport and you know they've all gone through that so the white belt that's just turned up thinking fuck me I'm shit and every week feels like I'm just getting worse the black belts have felt that for 10 years and they they still have days of feeling like that as well when the old white belt or blue belt beats them and they think fuck like i'm a black belt i've done this for you know i've had those conversations with people so like the humble nature of people that do jujitsu i think when you speak to someone that does jujitsu you're like oh you get it like you get it you put yourself in positions where you feel like shit about yourself like we share that and we both like do you know what I mean you have days where you feel great and you don't feel good but like I think it's a it's a sport that produces just people that are humble and and the ego isn't part of the sport at most levels so I think that that's a big thing completely I think there to wrap up on that I would open a jiu-jitsu gym that's how I feel about it yeah let's do it right well that is season three finale wrapped up we appreciate all of the questions that come in as ever if anyone has any more questions or need to dive into it you can always find me at ollie march on i try and moderate my dms as best as i can as we said we'll be bringing season four to you very soon appreciate all the support um that's the end of big year let's uh head to this business wrap up company wrap up because we might be late thank you man the bounce