Hundreds of Companies Sue Over Trump Tariffs

24 Feb 2026 · 15 min · 6 chapters

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Hundreds of Companies Sue Over Trump Tariffs Date: February 24 Host: Daniel Bach Guest: Alex Frangos (Business and Economics Editor) Key Themes: Trade Policy, Tariffs, U.S. Economy, Ukraine War

Episode Summary In this episode, the discussion centers around the implications of recent Supreme Court rulings on tariffs imposed during the Trump administration and the potential new tariffs being considered. The episode provides insights into the current state of the U.S. economy, the ongoing war in Ukraine, and significant corporate responses to tariff policies.

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Key Points

  1. Trump Administration's Tariff Policy
  2. Supreme Court Ruling: The Court invalidated many of Trump's second-term tariffs, particularly those levied under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
  3. New Tariffs Consideration: The administration is exploring national security tariffs on six industries (large-scale batteries, industrial chemicals, power grid, and telecom equipment) to replace the invalidated tariffs.
  4. Legal Framework: The new tariffs would be imposed under sections 301 and 232 of federal statutes, requiring investigations to establish a national security threat before their implementation.
  1. Corporate Reactions
  2. Companies Suing for Refunds: FedEx, Revlon, and Costco are among the companies filing lawsuits for refunds on over $100 billion in tariffs deemed illegal by the Supreme Court.
  3. Impact on Federal Revenue: The return of these funds could create significant budgetary implications for the federal government, relying on those tariffs for revenue.
  1. Economic Report Card
  2. Trump's State of the Union Address: The President plans to highlight economic achievements, despite reports indicating a mixed economic landscape.
  3. Economic Indicators:
  4. Job Growth: Slower job growth compared to pre-administration levels, although historically low rates.
  5. Trade Deficit: Increased trade deficits due to foreign responses to U.S. tariffs.
  6. Inflation: While inflation has decreased, the general public sentiment remains low regarding economic conditions.

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  1. Ukraine War Update
  2. Fifth Anniversary of the War: The episode marks four years since the invasion by Russia, with ongoing resistance and significant losses on both sides.
  3. Stagnant Front Lines: The conflict has become largely static, with limited territorial gains for Russia and heavy casualties.
  4. Public Sentiment in Ukraine: There is strong opposition to conceding territory to Russia, with public opinion favoring continued resistance.
  1. Technological Developments
  2. Apple’s Production Shift: Apple announces plans to move some production of its Mac Mini to the U.S. as part of a broader $600 billion investment strategy. This initiative also includes efforts to boost domestic chip production.
  3. TSMC Plant in Arizona: The facility is set to be one of the largest construction projects in the U.S., although it will take years to reach production levels comparable to existing facilities in Taiwan.

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Final Thoughts The episode concludes with reflections on the complexities of trade policies, economic realities in the U.S., and the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Ukraine. The interplay between domestic economic strategies and international conflicts remains a focal point in current discussions.

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Potential New Tariffs Under National Security

1:01 to 1:40

Discussion on the Trump administration's plans for new tariffs based on national security.

“And here's the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.”

Companies Respond to Tariff Changes

1:40 to 3:41

Overview of businesses seeking refunds for tariffs deemed illegal by the Supreme Court.

“industrial chemicals, and power grid and telecom equipment.”

Analysis of Trump's Economic Performance

3:41 to 5:00

Examination of the mixed economic indicators ahead of Trump's State of the Union address.

“some measures of the economy good, some needing improvement.”

Apple's Shift to U.S. Production

5:00 to 6:28

Apple's plans to move some production to the U.S. and impacts on the chip market.

“Apple says it will move some production of its Mac Mini desktop computer to the U.S.”

Market Reactions and Economic Indicators

6:28 to 8:02

Discussion of stock futures, cryptocurrency trends, and market reactions to recent events.

“Does China want to invade the island that actually makes the world's most advanced chips like all of them?”

Ukraine War Update and Perspectives

9:06 to 13:20

In-depth discussion on the current state of the war in Ukraine and the outlook.

“pass on getting an aid package for Ukraine signed off.”
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0:00Daniel Bach:Financial growth begins long before the first investment. It comes from understanding what you're building toward, what's at stake, and what success looks like for you. At Oppenheimer, we bring bold thinking guided by the full strength of our expertise to put capital to work building and protecting wealth that lasts generations. Put the power of Oppenheimer thinking to work for you. Wealth management, capital markets, investment banking.

0:33Daniel Bach:President Trump prepares to address the nation with plans to sell Americans on his handling of the economy. Plus, FedEx joins a growing list of companies asking for tariff refunds. And it's now four years since Russia invaded Ukraine, with few signs of an end to the war.

0:49Alex Frangos:Ukraine is still very, very vulnerable to a potential backlash from Trump if he chose to do that as a response to the fact that the negotiations are not moving forward.

0:58Daniel Bach:It's Tuesday, February 24th. I'm Daniel Bach for The Wall Street Journal, filling in for Luke Vargas. And here's the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.

1:14Daniel Bach:We're exclusively reporting that the Trump administration is considering placing tariffs on six industries under national security grounds. The president is looking for new ways to impose duties in his bid to reshape global trade. after the Supreme Court ruled most were illegal, including those issued under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. Business and economics editor Alex Frangos is following these developments. Alex, new potential tariffs on large-scale batteries, industrial chemicals, and power grid and telecom equipment. What is the president looking to do here? Yeah, well, he's basically figuring out how can he reestablish a blanket of tariffs on lots of countries around the world after the Supreme Court ruling said he can't do it the way he was doing it.

2:00Daniel Bach:So there's all these other laws with numbers that readers and listeners are going to start to get familiar with, 301 and 232, which are different parts of the federal statutes that give the president the power to impose tariffs. And so he's added a whole bunch of new industries to these 232 national security tariffs. And the way that tariff works is that the government has to do an investigation over a number of months to establish that there's a national security threat before they can impose actual tariffs on them. So he's trying to figure out a way to like fill in all the gaps that the Supreme Court ruling has left in his tariff policy.

2:37Daniel Bach:And per that ruling, Customs and Border Protection is telling importers it will stop collecting tariffs imposed under the Emergency Powers Act from midnight tonight. We know the cost of these import taxes has hurt a lot of businesses over the past year. Are they responding to this yet? So, I mean, you have this kind of change in tariff regimes where the old tariffs, they're going to stop collecting. There's now new tariffs that come into effect. And then businesses are saying, wait a second, we paid like over$100 billion worth of tariffs last year that had been invalidated by the Supreme Court.

3:06Daniel Bach:We'd like that money back. So FedEx filed a lawsuit. There's Costco, a bunch of other companies as well that are like, hey, Supreme Court says we don't have to pay this. Can we have our money back? I mean, we were taxed illegally and we'd like that back. That obviously has big implications for the federal government because that money is needed for spending, for paying down debt, things like that. So there's just like lots of action going on. And all of that comes ahead of the president's State of the Union address this evening, where we report he'll be trying to sell the public on his handling of the economy in his first year back in office.

3:40Daniel Bach:Trump has given himself a grade of A++++, but our economic report card, Alex, is a bit more mixed, right? some measures of the economy good, some needing improvement. Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of different things you can look at. If you look at the job market, job growth has been much slower than it was before the president took office, but it's historically at a reasonably low level. And then with the trade deficit, we see countries responding to these tariffs, helping their local industries navigate around tariffs, lower their own costs domestically and compete. And so net-net, what you have is a bigger deficit than ever, that's probably not an A++ on his report card.

4:20Daniel Bach:Inflation has come down a bit, but ordinary Americans are not feeling really good about it. And if you look at the polls, they feel that the president has been kind of distracted by foreign policy issues and focused on tariffs, which, while they haven't caused the spike in inflation the way that a lot of people thought, they have put pressure on American consumers and businesses and people don't really like it. So I think that the State of the Union, from what we're hearing from our White House reporters, is the president is going to focus on the economy. He's going to try to sell to the American people that actually everything he's done has been really great for them and try to kind of reset the narrative that he is very focused on their pocketbook issues.

4:58Daniel Bach:Alex, thank you for this. Thanks.

5:04Daniel Bach:Apple says it will move some production of its Mac Mini desktop computer to the U.S. from Asia as part of its pledge to invest$600 billion in the U.S. over four years. Apple's chief operating officer said production will begin later this year at a Foxconn facility in North Houston, part of the company's latest initiative to reshore parts of its vast supply chain. The Mini is a niche product for Apple, with estimates that it made up less than 5 % of Apple's sales of Mac computers last year. The news comes as Apple is pushing to boost American chip production. That includes at a plant north of Phoenix run by TSMC, the world's largest chip maker.

5:43Daniel Bach:Apple is the biggest customer for the factory, which sits on land more than two and a half times the size of Central Park. Journal tech reporter Rolf Winkler toured the site, which is expected to include six chip plants. $165 billion would be one of the largest construction projects in the United States if they ultimately spend all that and build everything there. It's going to be maybe a decade before this one facility reaches the volumes that TSMC has multiple facilities in Taiwan operating at. And moreover, there's the level of sophistication of the chip that they make in Arizona doesn't match Taiwan.

6:16Daniel Bach:What's made in Arizona is five years behind and will continue to be five years behind because there's no way Taiwan is going to allow the best technology off the island because that's to defend against Chinese invasion. It's called the Silicon Shield. Does China want to invade the island that actually makes the world's most advanced chips like all of them? That would be ruinous to the world economy. So it's a very good deterrent. You can hear more from Rolf on today's episode of our Tech News Briefing podcast. And you can find a link in our show notes to his video report where he tours the Apple facility in Texas and the TSMC plant in Arizona.

6:54Daniel Bach:Stock futures are pointing to a higher open this morning following yesterday's sell-off sparked by fears of AI disruption and trade policy uncertainty. That said, Bitcoin prices continue to fall with the crypto headed toward$63 ,000. One of the drags on markets yesterday was airline stocks, which tumbled as the so-called bomb cyclone battered the East Coast, grounding thousands of flights. Airports including JFK and Logan have seen major disruptions, with another 2 ,000 flights canceled in the U.S. so far today. BYD's European sales nearly tripled last month, outpacing Tesla and underscoring a growing appetite for the Chinese giant's electric and hybrid cars.

7:34Daniel Bach:The data marks a strong start to the year for BYD and comes as established rivals like Volkswagen, BMW, and Renault all reported sales declines in the region. And China's Commerce Ministry has banned the export of critical minerals and dual-use goods to 20 major Japanese companies, escalating a pressure campaign against Tokyo. The restrictions target essential items like rare earths, machine tools, and chip-making equipment with potential military applications. Coming up, Ukraine marks a grim anniversary for the war. We look at the prospects for a peace deal after the break.

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9:06Daniel Bach:pass on getting an aid package for Ukraine signed off. Journal correspondent Matthew Luxmore has closely covered the war and joins me now. Matthew, firstly, can you remind listeners of where things stand now?

9:18Alex Frangos:Well, the front lines in Ukraine are really pretty static. They have been for the past year. Russia has made some quite limited gains through the course of last year, far less than in 2022, the first year of the war. And really, Ukraine has regained more territory since 2022 than Russia has taken. So you can't really speak of a great battlefield success for Russia. It's also happening at a colossal loss of life for Moscow's forces, something to the tune of what Western officials say is 30 ,000 soldiers dead per month. So Russia's capacity to keep this going is being questioned by some defense analysts.

10:00Alex Frangos:But for Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, this is really a question of his legacy after a quarter of a century in power. And he really has an obsession with bringing Ukraine under Moscow's sways. As for Ukraine, the Ukrainians, who have been very resilient over the past four years, weathering a real intense barrage from Russia that has cut heating to millions of homes and also water to so many people. The public opinion surveys in Ukraine show that people are not willing to sign away territory to Russia and they're willing to keep fighting if they have to. So people are very, very closely following the peace talks.

10:38Alex Frangos:They want desperately an end to the war. They're championing Trump's pressure on Russia. But fundamentally, people in Ukraine say that if a peace deal comes at the expense of a large swathe of territory in Ukraine territory where Ukraine's most robust defensive positions are and that thousands of soldiers have given their lives in defending, that is not a piece that Ukrainians are willing to accept.

11:02Daniel Bach:I wanted to ask you about the state of this war. The journal has reported a lot, of course, on the advancements in drone warfare, electronic warfare, things like that. But on the ground, it's turned into a slog like many wars in centuries past. What do you make of that?

11:17Alex Frangos:Well, I mean, drones play a large part in why this war is so stuck in a way. There's a whole swathe of the frontline areas where drones rule the skies. And it's impossible really for either side to move forward because as soon as a small group of soldiers moves forward, they are immediately targeted by drones. Both sides are pumping out to the tunes of many millions per year because they're ramping up their industries, able to build these explosive drones, which are cheap and reliable and increasingly precise. And it's made the fight much more perilous and, as we've seen in Ukraine, at least, much more static.

11:58Daniel Bach:You report that many observers now see the peace talks as little more than a dance to avoid angering President Trump. So if this process continues to drag on, how does the war end?

12:09Alex Frangos:Well, it's really turned into a war of attrition. Both sides are losing many, many soldiers, equipment. It's an incredibly expensive enterprise, of course. What we've seen with Russia is that it seems to be preparing for the possibility of a long war. It's funneled a huge amount of money and resources into building up its war economy, its military industrial complex. it's recruiting very very actively especially in the Russian provinces where people live poorly and they are more easily swayed by financial incentives to join the military so this kind of model has worked out for Russia so far but it's only a matter of question before Russia also feels much more strongly the strain of the fighting and for Ukraine it does have serious manpower issues And Ukraine really is reliant on the financial lifeline and also the military aid lifeline from the West.

13:03Alex Frangos:And it can't keep this up forever. So, yes, it has turned into a war of attrition, essentially, which side buckles first. But now, you know, it's been going on for four years and neither side has buckled so far. And both sides say that they can keep this going if they have to.

13:17Daniel Bach:Journal of Foreign Correspondent Matthew Luxmore. Matthew, thank you for your time. Sure. Thank you very much. And that's it for What's News for this Tuesday morning. Today's show was produced by Hattie Moyer. Our supervising producer is Sondra Kilhoff. And I'm Daniel Bach for The Wall Street Journal. We'll be back tonight with a new show. Until then, thanks for listening.

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A.M. Edition for Feb. 24. The Trump administration is considering new national security tariffs on a half-dozen industries, after the Supreme Court last week invalidated many of the president’s second-term levies. That ruling has prompted companies like FedEx, Revlon and Costco to file suit. Plus, President Trump is expected to tout the U.S. economy in his State of the Union later. But as WSJ’s Alex Frangos explains, the economic report card is a bit more mixed. And, Ukraine marks a grim milestone as the war with Russia enters its fifth year. Daniel Bach hosts.

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