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Episode Title
Why War Isn’t Spooking Wall Street—Yet Date: March 18 Host: Luke Vargas
Episode Overview This episode discusses the ongoing conflict in the Middle East, the implications for global markets, particularly Wall Street, and the operational challenges faced by the U.S. Postal Service due to changes in its contracts with Amazon.
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Key Topics Discussed
- Middle Eastern Conflict and Its Economic Implications
- Gulf Leaders' Stance:
- Gulf officials, including Emirati and Qatari leaders, insist on weakening Iran's regime before ceasing hostilities, marking a departure from previous relations with Tehran.
- Iran demands reparations and guarantees against future attacks before agreeing to a ceasefire.
- Conflict Escalation:
- Recent missile strikes by Iran on central Israel resulted in civilian casualties, raising concerns about the conflict's expansion.
- Market Response:
- Equity Market Resilience: Despite the ongoing conflict, U.S. equity markets have only seen a minimal decline of a few percentage points.
- Emmanuel Cau's Insight:
- The market is optimistic about a swift resolution, influenced by historical investor behavior post-conflict.
- The perception is that current U.S. leadership will prioritize economic stability.
- Analysis of Market Dynamics
- Comparative Stability:
- U.S. markets are behaving as a safe haven amid international unrest, contrasting with more severe impacts on Asian and European equities.
- Stagflationary Risks:
- The potential for rising inflation paired with stagnating growth is becoming a concern, especially with fluctuating oil prices.
- Central Banks' Role:
- Upcoming decisions from central banks, including the Federal Reserve, could further complicate the economic landscape.
- The Fed's focus will be on balancing inflation control with growth support amidst economic uncertainties triggered by the war.
- Challenges for the U.S. Postal Service
- Amazon's Business Decision:
- Amazon plans to significantly reduce its package volume with the U.S. Postal Service due to a new bidding process for delivery services.
- This shift poses a severe threat to USPS, which heavily relies on Amazon's business.
- Financial Situation of USPS:
- Postmaster General David Steiner warns of impending financial crises if operational changes are not made, including raising debt limits and adjusting pricing regulations.
- Political Developments
- Illinois Senate Primary:
- Juliana Stratton wins the Democratic primary, positioning herself to replace retiring Senator Dick Durbin, boosting Governor J.B. Pritzker’s political capital.
- Venezuela's Baseball Victory:
- Celebrations erupt in Venezuela after their unexpected win against the U.S. in the World Baseball Classic, prompting national holiday declarations.
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Key Takeaways
- The Gulf's strategic shift towards crippling Iran represents a significant geopolitical development that could influence market stability.
- U.S. equity markets are showing unexpected resilience to geopolitical shocks due to historical investor behavior and a potential focus on domestic economic stability.
- The U.S. Postal Service faces operational and financial challenges as Amazon considers alternative delivery options, highlighting the interconnectedness of businesses in the current market.
- The episode underscores the ongoing economic uncertainties surrounding geopolitical conflicts and the delicate balancing act central banks must navigate in response.
Closing Remarks The episode concludes with a reminder of the upcoming Fed interest rate announcement and reflections on the broader implications of geopolitical conflicts on economic policies and market dynamics.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWar and Wall Street's Response
0:34 to 1:04
Exploration of Wall Street's calm reaction to ongoing conflicts.
“Plus, as fighting drags on, we'll look at why Wall Street isn't freaking out, at least not yet.”
Gulf Leaders' Stance on Iran
1:04 to 2:46
Insights into Gulf leaders' demands regarding Iran amidst the conflict.
“I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal, and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.”
Wall Street's Resilience Amidst Crisis
2:46 to 4:32
Discussion on why U.S. equity markets remain stable during the war.
“Emmanuel, Wall Street's reaction thus far has been much less negative compared to past conflicts in the Middle East, in spite of concerns that this all could become a protracted situation.”
Central Banks and Stagflation Risks
4:32 to 6:18
Examining the potential impact of central bank policies on stagflation.
“Yeah, and we've spoken on the show in recent days about some of the factors that have insulated the U.S.”
Political Updates in Illinois
9:51 to 11:55
Overview of the latest political developments in Illinois.
“Illinois's Lieutenant Governor Juliana Stratton has won the state's Democratic Senate primary, putting her in poll position to replace retiring Senator Dick Durbin, who's held a seat since 1997.”
Venezuela's Historic Baseball Victory
11:55 to 13:23
Celebrations in Venezuela after a surprising sports victory.
“we report that Amazon grew concerned it would have little time to adjust operations if its bid wasn't accepted.”
Transcript
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0:33Gulf leaders insist on crippling Iran's regime before ending the war. Plus, as fighting drags on, we'll look at why Wall Street isn't freaking out, at least not yet. So we see the shorter this conflict will be, the smaller the impact should be on the economy and the consumer. But as of now, we're actually having a stagnationary risk that is growing by the day without a quick de-escalation. And bad news for the struggling U.S. Postal Service as Amazon plans to take its business elsewhere. It's Wednesday, March 18th. I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal, and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.
1:17Gulf officials say they want the U.S. to keep up the fight against Iran in order to render it incapable of future attacks. a major pivot from a region that once courted Tehran. Speaking to the journal, Emirati and Qatari officials described Iran as the belligerent party, citing its attacks on infrastructure and civilian targets, while another senior Gulf official said the only acceptable outcome of the war would be an Iran so enfeebled that it could never imperil its neighbors again. Iranian leaders in recent days have said they'd only accept a ceasefire with the U.S. and Israel if the country received reparations and ironclad guarantees against future attacks.
1:58Meanwhile, Iran struck central Israel with missiles overnight, causing heavy damage and killing two people, raising the death toll in Israel since the start of the war to at least 14. And authorities in Iraq report that the U.S. embassy in Baghdad suffered a fresh attack without providing more details. The compound was hit by a missile over the weekend and targeted by rockets and drones Monday and Tuesday. Well, with the war dragging on, the effective closure of the Strait of Hormuz sending energy prices soaring, and inflation warnings now cropping up around the world, why are U.S. equity markets off just a few percentage points since before the fighting started?
2:36Emmanuel Coe is the head of European Equity Strategy at Barclays, and he joins me now to discuss why that is and whether that trend will continue. Emmanuel, Wall Street's reaction thus far has been much less negative compared to past conflicts in the Middle East, in spite of concerns that this all could become a protracted situation. Why is that? Hey, look, I think the market is pretty comfortable with the view that President Trump cannot afford to have a long-lasting shock and staccionary heat to the U.S. economy, right? And I think there's still a lot of trauma from investors having sold equities after liberation a year ago, which was a big mistake.
3:19So I think investors are hopeful of a swift resolution to this conflict on the view that Trump will ultimately do whatever is good for the US economy. And that includes triggering a swift policy response, pushing in particular the IEA to release all of this oil. I think this is part of the toolbox. But I guess what we can conclude from Trump communication in the last couple of days is that the oil price has touched its paint threshold. So So that was already seen a week ago when Trump was starting to talk about this de-escalation after all price went above$120. Obviously, it's not just about him tweeting about the end of the conflict.
3:58We need to see the other parties, whether it's Israel or Iran, willing to support this de-escalation effort. So I think this is where we have a bit of a question mark about whether the market is too complacent about the outcome of this conflict and whether you could get the situation too worse before it gets better. So I think what we said is that typically for a 30 % move up in oil, we had about 10 % to 15 % drop in equity market. And so far, the global equity market is down only 4%. So it's not the typical risk off we had in previous oil supply shocks. Yeah, and we've spoken on the show in recent days about some of the factors that have insulated the U.S.
4:37economy in particular from this crisis, more so than the rest of the world. It really helps, for instance, to be a net energy exporter. What else? Look, I think the U.S. markets, whether it's U.S. equity market or the U.S. dollar, have behaved as a safe haven again, right? And think about this in the context of the past six months, where the only game in town was sell America and rotation towards international market. What we saw in the last couple of weeks is the safety of the U.S. market prevailing again. And yes, I think the most hit markets are those which are the most energy sensitive. So we've seen Asian equities, European equities coming down quite a lot more than the US equity market, which is, again, less directly impacted by this kind of stagflationary fears.
5:23And even if you look at the rate market, we had a pretty hawkish repricing in European rates because now the market is looking for the ECB to hike rate as a consequence of this inflationary shock, while I think the market is still looking for one cut from the Fed this year. So the market is really seeing that this stagflationary shock will be much more acute in Europe than it will be for the U.S. The consumer outlook worsening in your view? I would say today compared to two weeks ago, yes, the consumer outlook is worsening because, you know, we have lower growth and higher inflation as a consequence of this oil shock.
5:58And again, if you look at gasoline prices as are going through the roof in the U.S. and some of the sentiment surveys are starting to be hit, right? So we see the shorter this conflict will be, the smaller the impact should be on the economy and the consumer. But as of now, we're actually having a stagflationary risk that is growing by the day without a quick de-escalation. Emmanuel, I want to talk about central banks. The Fed is making a rate announcement today. Could central banks here inadvertently dial up stagflation fears if it looks like their focus is returning back to fighting inflation instead of supporting growth?
6:32Yeah, absolutely. I think the key will be how central banks around the world respond to this development. And, you know, we have a busy week with the Fed. We have the ECB, the Bank of Finland as well, meeting on Thursday and the Bank of Japan as well. So all the main central banks around the world are going to have to tell us what they make of this oil shock and whether they are starting to shift away from what has been a pretty dovish communication so far. And whether they start to embrace what the market seems to be pricing, which is basically a higher rate in the case of Europe or less rate cut in the case of the US.
7:04Emmanuel Koh is the head of European equity strategy at Barclays. Emmanuel, thank you so much for being with us on What's News. Thank you.
7:13Well, as we mentioned there, the Fed's latest interest rate decision is due this afternoon. An announcement that Journal Chief Economics Correspondent Nick Timmero says comes as officials are contending yet again with a familiar foe, inflation. It has a feeling of deja vu for the Fed. First, it was the aftershocks of the pandemic. Then it was Russia's war in Ukraine. Last year, you had sweeping tariff policy changes. And now it's the war in the Middle East. What the war does is that it freezes up your ability to make big judgments. So if you thought the bigger problem before all of this was still in the labor market, you may look at the possible destruction of demand that comes from higher oil prices and say, well, now the labor market is going to be in an even more fragile position and we should focus on that.
8:03If, on the other hand, before this conflict, you were worried that inflation wasn't getting better, you also can look at that and say, geez, inflation was not getting better. It was actually getting a little bit worse. And now we're going to have a new round of potential supply problems. While the war is likely to reinforce the consensus around holding rates steady, Nick says there's less clarity about where policymakers should head after that. Policymakers around the table this week face a question that would have seemed unlikely a few months ago when they were cutting interest rates. And that question is no longer when will they next cut interest rates, but rather can they credibly suggest that the next move in interest rates is still more likely to be a move down than a move up?
8:48And there were some officials even before this who wanted to get rid of that guidance that suggested that the next move was more likely to be a cut. They wanted to go to a more neutral bias. And so that debate, I think, will continue. Today's rate announcement is due at 2 p.m. Eastern, followed by a press conference by Chair Jerome Powell. Coming up, the U.S. Postal Service risks losing business from its largest customer, Amazon. And Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker dodges political embarrassment in a Senate primary. Those stories and more after the break.
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9:56Illinois. Illinois's Lieutenant Governor Juliana Stratton has won the state's Democratic Senate primary, putting her in poll position to replace retiring Senator Dick Durbin, who's held a seat since 1997. Tonight we showed what's possible when you listen to the people and give the people what they want. You got it! Journal-National political reporter John McCormick says the win is a boost for Stratton's boss, Governor J.D. Pritzker, as he eyes a potential White House run in 2028. The primary race tested Pritzker's political clout in a state where he has leveraged his wealth to dominate the Democratic Party.
10:35Stratton's victory comes as he's working to raise his national profile with the party's base nationally. Helping elect Stratton could prove useful to Pritzker should he run for the party's nomination after likely securing a third gubernatorial term for himself in November's election. The victory by Stratton could also help soothe some of the bad feelings about Pritzker among members of the Congressional Black Caucus, which had backed another candidate in the race and was critical of the governor's financial involvement backing Stratton. If elected, Stratton would become only the sixth black woman to serve in the U.S.
11:08Senate. Voice of America could soon be back on the air. A federal judge yesterday ordered that the Trump administration restart the government-run outlet after effectively shutting it down last year, putting hundreds of employees back to work. The ruling comes after the same judge last week ruled that Trump's pick to lead the U.S. Agency for Global Media, Carrie Lake, lacked the authority to slim down VOA's operations. We are exclusively reporting that Amazon plans to slash the number of packages it sends through the U.S. Postal Service by at least two-thirds as early as this fall. That's after Postmaster General David Steiner solicited bids from Amazon and others for its last-mile delivery service for the first time.
11:54But with Amazon's existing contract ending in October and the results of the bidding not released until the second quarter, we report that Amazon grew concerned it would have little time to adjust operations if its bid wasn't accepted. An Amazon spokesman said that the e-commerce retailer initially wanted to increase volumes with the Postal Service, where it's long been the largest customer, and was surprised by the new bidding process. The USPS delivered more than a billion Amazon packages last year, and the pullback comes as its finances are in dire straits. Here was Steiner testifying yesterday on Capitol Hill.
12:29At our current rate, we'll be out of cash in less than 12 months. So in about a year from now, the Postal Service would be unable to deliver the mail if we continue the status quo. Steiner is asking Congress to raise the Postal Service's debt limit and lift regulations on its ability to raise prices for stamps and other services.
12:53And finally, celebrations in Caracas. Venezuela last night beat out the heavily favored U.S. in the World Baseball Classic in Miami, sparking celebrations in cities with large Venezuelan populations from Santiago to Madrid. Following the win, Venezuela's interim president, Delce Rodriguez, declared today a national holiday, while Donald Trump took to Truth Social to suggest making the oil-rich nation the 51st state. And that's it for What's News for this Wednesday morning. Today's show was produced by Hattie Moyer. Our supervising producer is Daniel Bach. And I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal.
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A.M. Edition for Mar. 18. Gulf leaders insist on crippling Iran’s regime before ending the war, marking a major pivot from a region that once courted Tehran. Plus, as fighting drags on, Barclays’ Emmanuel Cau discusses why the mood in U.S. equity markets has remained largely upbeat. And bad news for the struggling U.S. Postal Service, as Amazon plans to take its business elsewhere. Luke Vargas hosts.
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