In short
How YC builds “superintelligence” inside a company by using AI as an infrastructure layer (not a co-pilot), recording artifacts, and creating a shared “organizational brain” via common context, an agent loop, and a large internal tool/skill registry.
Guest backgrounds
Pete Koeman is a General Partner at Y Combinator. He created Optimizely (early A/B testing for apps and websites) and later led YC’s agent/AI infrastructure efforts, including internal agent harnesses and “agent infrastructure” used by YC.
Key claims
Centralizing context in one place (YC runs on its own software backed by a single Postgres database) lets agents answer arbitrary business questions. A tool registry enables “multiplayer” organizational use of agents. Openly broadcasting agent conversations improves learning and social control. “Superintelligence” emerges by composing small skills (e.g., YC’s two-sentence descriptions) and continuously improving them from transcripts.
Notable examples
Read-only SQL tools for agents; querying investors by sector/batch; finance workflows encoded in English prompts; YC’s two-sentence description skill improved via partner office-hour transcripts; nightly agent “dream cycle” that reviews conversations to propose skill improvements.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to Superintelligence in Companies
0:00 to 0:39
Learn about the concept of using AI as a foundational component in organizations.
“How do you build superintelligence inside a company?”
The Journey of AI Adoption at YC
1:08 to 2:16
Discover how YC has been adopting AI tools internally to enhance operations.
“For the last few years since ChatGPT, YC has been funding mainly AI companies.”
Building AI-Powered Tools for Efficiency
2:16 to 4:06
Explore the development of AI tools to streamline finance workflows at YC.
“And that's actually been one of the neatest parts about this is watching the whole engineering team and many partners also just dive in and contribute to this infrastructure layer.”
Transforming Workflows with Agentic Coding
4:06 to 5:32
Understand how agentic coding has revolutionized the way teams interact with software.
“And then at the same time, this was right around the time when agentic coding tools were really catching hold, right?”
Unlocking Data Through SQL Queries
5:32 to 7:40
Learn how integrating SQL queries into tools empowered non-technical users at YC.
“And it worked so well that non-technical people, granted very smart people from finance, but with no engineering background, could use these tools to ask real questions.”
The Advantages of Centralized Data Management
7:40 to 9:50
Discover the benefits of having a centralized database for efficient data querying.
“Every company that we funded, there's a company's table.”
Denormalization and Its Impacts on AI Tools
9:50 to 11:00
Learn about the process of denormalization and its role in enhancing AI tools.
“I guess one question is how do companies that live in that old world could get sort of wings to move so quickly?”
Developing a Tool Registry for AI Efficiency
11:00 to 14:00
Explore how creating a tool registry has allowed for rapid development and use of AI applications at YC.
“Like, you know, all the things that everyone has learned about retrieval is now inside G-Brain.”
Building an Internal Tool Registry
14:00 to 14:48
Learn about the importance of an internal tool registry and its evolution.
“Having an internal tool registry, this is, I think, the other really important thing that we've built.”
Scaling Tools for Organizational Efficiency
14:48 to 15:19
Discover how teams at YC have expanded the tool registry to enhance productivity.
“You know, I can do things like manage my office hours.”
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Skillify and the Evolution of Agentic Systems
15:19 to 17:38
Explore the concept of Skillify and its role in agent-based systems.
“I mean, honestly, inspired by what you guys did with tools, like this idea of Skillify in OpenClaw.”
Autonomous Self-Improving Systems
17:38 to 19:06
Understand how self-improving loops in systems enhance efficiency.
“And I wonder if like when people are, you know, developing the first versions of Unix or something, it's like discovering a stack in a heap.”
The Art of the Two-Sentence Pitch
19:06 to 21:41
Learn about the significance of two-sentence descriptions for startups.
“Seeing us kind of do the same progression internally where we have a couple skills and now we've gotten to the point where we have these sort of autonomous self-improving loops, right?”
Harnessing Context for Skill Improvement
21:41 to 24:29
Discover how context can improve skills and operations within an organization.
“Like, again, I'm like thinking about my pastrami sandwich again, right?”
Creating Superintelligence in Organizations
24:29 to 28:00
Explore how to build superintelligence by leveraging organizational skills.
“And it's not more complicated than that.”
The Importance of Transparency in AI Usage
28:00 to 29:59
Explore how transparency in AI interactions fosters learning and trust within organizations.
“And then I'm glad we made the choice to keep it open, actually, because I agree.”
Building an Egalitarian and Trust-Based Organization
30:00 to 31:51
Learn about the prerequisites for creating a high-trust, egalitarian organizational culture.
“Like what you spend$100 ,000 or a million dollars a year on now, it will be commonplace like in two years, right?”
Critique of AI Integration in Software
31:52 to 32:43
Discuss the limitations of current AI software features and the need for user control over AI.
“And this is kind of that same thing, but at an organizational level, right?”
The Future of AI and Software Interfaces
32:44 to 34:20
Analyze the evolving relationship between AI, user interfaces, and software control.
“And the example that I used at the time was the kind of email writer that the Gmail team had shipped.”
The Dawn of Just-in-Time Software
34:21 to 40:04
Understand the concept of just-in-time software and its impact on coding and development.
“There's things going around right now about how there's a need to build a new interface for AI and what does that look like.”
Centralization vs. Decentralization in AI
40:05 to 42:01
Explore the implications of centralized versus decentralized AI and its historical context.
“You can use Pi to modify and extend Pi, right?”
The Computing Revolution and Personal Empowerment
42:01 to 43:15
Discussing the evolution of computing and its impact on individual access and empowerment.
“But, you know, in the 1960s and 70s, when computers first came out, like you couldn't go to the store like you can today.”
The Future of AI and Individual Control
43:16 to 44:38
Exploring the importance of personal control in the future of AI technology.
“Most people, a billion users use ChatGPT.”
Creating an Open and Empowering Organization
44:39 to 45:58
Emphasizing the need for organizational change to promote open access to AI tools.
“This should be an extension of yourself and what you care about, not what, you know, meta or alphabet or even open AI or anthropic care about?”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Pete Koomen:How do you build superintelligence inside a company? Part of the key thing is not to just use AI as a co-pilot. This is the thing where you use it as the building layer for everything. And you need to start recording all the artifacts. It's like a shared organizational brain. It's like the closest thing to us being able to connect our brains. If you frame this as a way for everyone in an organization to get better at what they do, using the collective skill and instinct of the people they work with, It's incredibly powerful.
0:38Pete Koomen:Today we have a real treat. We have a special guest, general partner at YC, our partner, Pete Koeman. He created Optimizely, which was one of the first and one of the best ways to do A-B testing for apps and websites. And since then, he has gone on to create all of our agent infrastructure at YC. So literally all of our harnesses and how we use AI internal to YC. Pete, welcome to The Light Code. Thanks, Gary. For the last few years since ChatGPT, YC has been funding mainly AI companies. And we've gone through many different versions of advice for them about how to build AI native companies that build mainly AI products.
1:23and we've gone on a crazy journey with them learning all of this, I think a lot of people don't realize that internally, YC is actually building and using a lot of the same stuff that we're helping our startups build and use themselves. And it's been, I think, a very powerful symbiotic relationship for us to actually be adopting these tools and transforming our own organization, which was started way, way pre-AI into a super AI-native organization ourselves. and Pete has really been leading the charge for that. And so I'm really excited about this episode because I've actually been wanting to talk publicly about all the stuff that we've built internally and this is the first time that we're doing it.
2:02So Pete, perhaps to start off, can you sort of go back to the beginning and like talk about like there was a particular like moment when we really started adopting these AI tools internally. It was really you who got us started down that path. Sure, happy to tell the story here. And I like framing it that way because it was a project that I and a few engineers got started about a year ago, maybe a little more, but that has since snowballed into just the whole infrastructure layer that's made it possible for us to use AI internally at YC in lots of different ways. And that's actually been one of the neatest parts about this is watching the whole engineering team and many partners also just dive in and contribute to this infrastructure layer.
2:45We started building our own harness inside of YC for kind of YC-specific agents about a year ago. And the original impetus for the project was some of the work that I and a few of the software engineers at YC were doing with our finance team. Just for a bit of backstory, so YC has, for as long as it's existed, as far as I'm aware, run mostly on our own software in this era, just given us a huge advantage. And so with that context, back to this moment maybe a year ago, we were sitting down with the finance team talking through a set of tools that we were going to build for them just to help them run through some of their finance workflows.
3:30Booking journal entries, logging priced rounds, like all the sorts of things that make YC run, really. I was seeing kind of two things at once. On one hand, we had this sort of loop going internally, right, where we'd sit down with the finance team. The finance team would describe to our software engineers how this complicated financial workflow worked, and then software engineers would go and build some purpose-built software where there was a deterministic workflow encapsulating everything that they had been told and then hand it back to the finance team and so on. And it felt really inefficient.
4:06And then at the same time, this was right around the time when agentic coding tools were really catching hold, right? And so you had kind of the first generation Winsurf and Cursor that were well-established by this point. I think this was right around when Claude Code was introduced. It felt like this was giving me superpowers, right? And then kind of watching this sort of old classical way of building software in YC and then watching how I was doing things on my own machine, It just felt like a bigger and bigger divide between those things. And so the original impetus was, why don't we try to build some tools at YC that we could use to run agents that would give the finance team control over their own software?
4:49remove the software engineers from this crazy loop where they have to understand these complicated workflows and give the finance team the tools that they could use to encode their own workflows not as Ruby but as English with prompts
5:03Pete Koomen:What's interesting is we all funded companies maybe even two or three years ago when LLMs were out but agentic coding wasn't a thing yet and so the first thing actually was not agentic coding it was LLMs for writing SQL queries. Yes. So that's what I remember from the first versions of what you built was how good it was and how basically it rhymed with these other failed startups that we had funded. Each of us probably funded one at some point. Here it was. It was working. And it worked so well that non-technical people, granted very smart people from finance, but with no engineering background, could use these tools to ask real questions.
5:44I was really surprised too, to be honest. And so that we started with this kind of purpose built thing for finance and then rewrote it to be more of a general agent loop. Right. And it's this is now you see these all over the place now. But the first kind of magical moment that I had was we had this agent loop and we had a tool registry, a shared tool registry for kind of YC specific tools. And the first tool that really was an unlock for me was, I think, a tool, looking back, that you actually built, Jared. It gave these agents the ability to run read-only SQL queries against our database. Yes.
6:21Right? It was two tools, actually. One was running queries against our database, and the other one was the ability to read our model files. I remember I built those tools, and I felt a little bit like I was breaking the rules. because initially we started with very limited tools that had very narrowly scoped domains. And I kept getting frustrated because they weren't powerful enough to do the things that I wanted. And so I was like, what if we just gave the thing like access, complete access to the production database where it could just like trample on anything. And I sort of like surreptitiously pushed it out maybe late at night.
6:59And it worked. And it worked. It worked extremely well, right? Yeah, perhaps foreshadowing, you know, subsequent things like OpenClaw, where it turns out that like the thing that was hampering the world was being worried about security and privacy and all the things that could go wrong. And when you like worry a bit less, you're like, oh, my God, these things are unbelievably powerful. It's another really good example of this weird split between I'm at work and I'm kind of operating in this really narrow box and I'm at home using Claude code or whatever, OpenClaw, and I can do anything. Right.
7:31And trying to trying to narrow that gap. So why was this so useful, this ability to run SQL queries against our database? It sounds really simple. Well, I think this is where it's important to talk about one of the big advantages that I think YC had coming into this experiment, which is that we run on our own software and all of that software sits on one Postgres database that has everything that's important to YC's world in it. Every company that we funded, there's a company's table. There's a founder's table. There's tables for our financial transactions. There's tables for the notes that I leave in our little internal CRM.
8:09All of these functions that I think a lot of other companies farm out to third-party SaaS tools, we've built our own. And as a result, we have this database with every important piece of context that I can now ask questions like, hey, show me all of the investors who invested in a space-related company in the last four batches. It just turns out when all of that context is in one place, with a little bit of additional information about how the schema is laid out, an agent can go and answer arbitrary questions about our business.
8:41Pete Koomen:That was a magic moment for sure when I first saw that. Yeah. And the cool thing for me is that it didn't just make it easier to answer questions. It dramatically increased the number of questions that we would ask and dramatically increased the scale and complexity of the questions that we would dare to ask. Where like, you know, in the in the old days, back when we were using like BI tools to ask to ask a question like that, you know, like what investors have invested like in space related companies? That would be like several hours of writing SQL. And so like unless it was really important, you just wouldn't bother.
9:10It's just another example of this instance of Jeevan's paradox that you get when you remove the amount of back and forth between different teams in order to get a thing done, right? If in order to ask some kind of complex question about YC, I have to go and knock on the data science team's door and wait for them to get it through their backlog, I'm just going to ask far fewer questions.
9:36Pete Koomen:I mean, there are people out there watching this who work in places that still use it. The majority of people live in that world still. And it's 2026, which is a little unfathomable, actually. There's a long way to go, I think, which is really exciting. I guess one question is how do companies that live in that old world could get sort of wings to move so quickly? Because the magic for us is, as you said, everything was, the context was in one place. That made it easy. You know, if you think about data science historically, one of the first things that the Googlers had to figure out was a big table, right?
10:11Pete Koomen:And big table was, you know, instead of schema and joins, you have one big table that can be map reduced. And so I think that's happening again. And I would argue that that's happening now with Karpathy style knowledge LLM wikis with G-Brain. I mean, that's what I'm seeing anyway. Like, you know, obviously I have an open claw. It has access to lots of systems. And then I'm normalizing it to my own schema that's relevant to me and the things that I care about. And it is like denormalization. It's you're taking data and you're putting it into a format that is more or less optimized for OpenClaw or Hermes agent, like that particular type of harness to be able to ask questions.
10:56Pete Koomen:And it needs retrieval. It needs RAG. It needs graph RAG. It needs, you know, hybrid RRF. Like there's re-ranking in there. Like, you know, all the things that everyone has learned about retrieval is now inside G-Brain. And then when you give the agents a soul and you give it the data and it knows you and what you care about, like suddenly these things have insane wings. Like I just kind of can't believe how it sees around corners. and you might ask a question and it'll even sort of interpret what your question was about and like give you a thing that, frankly, like it would take a human who really knows you well to answer.
11:36Pete Koomen:All that's possible now. And so, you know, your question is like all the data is everywhere. My answer from like the open claw Hermes experience with G-Brain is like, yeah, you basically have to take that you're going to denormalize it and you're going to put it in a format that is optimized for agent retrieval and understanding. You could wrap it in an MCP, but for whatever reason, I just like intuitively I'd be worried. Like it's still sort of, you know, these things are really good at working with MCP and CLI. Like they're a little even better with CLI. It seems like you have to denormalize and do the big table thing.
12:09Pete Koomen:But, you know, specifically for the agent. Looking back over the last year and a half, it feels like we're still kind of in the single player era of agents where the harnesses that have gotten really popular, right? Right. Claude code, codex, pi, open claw, Hermes. They're all designed to be used by a single human running on a single machine. And it makes a lot of sense. Right. Because in that environment, these these agents can do just about anything. Right. And they make you incredibly powerful. It's they're a lot of fun to use. I think one of the big problems that I don't think has been solved well yet by anybody is the multiplayer harness.
12:49harness, right? It's enabling that kind of superpower, but on a team or an organizational level, right? And that's, I think, been the interesting thing to explore with the infrastructure that we've built at YC is watching which primitives that we've created that have enabled individuals and teams to use agents. You asked the question about if you're working inside of a kind of a legacy organization, which is like anyone who's more than two years old, What are the things that you can focus on in order to help enable everybody at your org to use AI to do more? And we talked about kind of this common context layer, right?
13:30And so a data warehouse where just as much of your internal important context lives, it just turns out is extremely useful. There are many tools for connecting individual agent harnesses to other MCP tools, other sources of truth. But just like a coding agent inside a monorepo just tends to be much more efficient, watching our agents operating on our single database that has everything in one schema tells me that there's a lot of value, at least, in getting all of the context into one place. Having an internal tool registry, this is, I think, the other really important thing that we've built. So in the beginning, like we were talking about, it was just the whole system was really simple.
14:13It was like an agent loop and a simple tool registry and a few other pieces, like a model router underneath. The tool registry is where most of the YC-specific stuff lives. The tool registry is what turns these agents into something that's useful at work. And we had like 20 tools at the beginning, including this magical ability to query our SQL database. But over time, teams have added more and more tools. Every time we kind of come upon some piece of work at YC that we think could be improved with an agent, we can just add tools. And there's more than 350 today. I just checked, right? Every team is adding their own tools.
14:52You know, I can do things like manage my office hours. Our finance team can, you know, can book journal entries, right? We can help manage the events that we run. There's tools for all of the important work that we do at YC. And now once these all exist in one place, you can make them available to these internal agents that we've built, but you can also make them available to Claude Code, running on our individual machines. So those things, above all, I think, were the important pieces that we built that if I were working in any other organization, I would focus on building.
15:25Pete Koomen:I mean, honestly, inspired by what you guys did with tools, like this idea of Skillify in OpenClaw. And then actually the most important, the last part of Skillify, Skillify is like this meta skill that I made in OpenClaw where it's like you just do anything in OpenClaw in Hermes. Hermes actually already has Skillify. They call it something. It's like it makes skills automatically. But the most important thing I think is actually like plugging it into the resolver, which is like your agents.md with like the list of things that the agents can do. And then it links to the markdown entry point that lets you use a tool, basically.
16:01Pete Koomen:And so this thing keeps coming up in all these different contexts. Like Cloud Code has a skill. The skill registry in Cloud Code is actually a resolver. Our tool registry is actually a resolver. And then the weird thing that you have to do on top of that is actually I have a meta skill called check resolvable that I call all the time. So I'm always like, I do something that's new or different in my agent. And then after it does it and I like it, I say, skillify it. And then it becomes basically like a tool call or method call. And then I run check resolvable, which is like, you know, look at all of the other skills and tools that exist.
16:40Pete Koomen:And is it, you know, dry? Don't repeat yourself. And is it M-E-C-E, which is, you know, I'm embarrassed to say a McKinsey term for the consultants use it for making really good slide decks, mutually exclusive, collectively exhaustive. That's like how you're supposed to do slides if you're a McKinsey consultant. But it's useful because it's like an additional layer on top of don't repeat yourself dry. And like the models just seem to know what those things are. And so if you have a dry and M-E-C-E resolver table anywhere, it's actually like the optimal resolver. Like it's bad to have 10 skills that do all the same thing.
17:20Pete Koomen:It's good to have one skill or one tool that has parameters that then let you call them. So I don't know. I think it's like this is like the wildest time to be alive as like an applied computer scientist. Because it's like simultaneous like discovery of the same useful applied concepts over and over again. And I wonder if like when people are, you know, developing the first versions of Unix or something, it's like discovering a stack in a heap. It feels like we're right at that moment today. Like we're just coming up with the new primitives for what an agentic system actually is. And you can see it in the parallel sort of development of like we're just trying to do a thing.
17:57Pete Koomen:And it might be in cloud code or it might be in our own internal harness or it might be in OpenClaw, it might be in Hermes. Like these things just keep coming back over and over again. YC Startup School is back. We're hand-selecting the most promising builders in the world and flying them out to San Francisco for July 25th and 26th to discuss the cutting edge of tech and startups. Apply now for your spot. Yeah, it's really interesting to look at how some of the other companies that are building this stuff have built their infrastructure because you see a lot of these same primitives in each of them, right?
18:30Like there's the agent loops, there's tool registries, there's skill registries. looking at the way that we're using skills now at YC. So if you think of skill as a simple abstraction layer over tools, we have a handful of sort of shared skills that we all have access to through this agent system. And it's been interesting to watch. I think you've talked about this, where this progression of like in the beginning, you're kind of writing your own system prompts and then skills emerge. And so you started writing your own skills and then you would start meta-prompting where you'd have the agent write a skill.
19:05Pete Koomen:Improve the prompt. Yes. Automatically. Yes. Seeing us kind of do the same progression internally where we have a couple skills and now we've gotten to the point where we have these sort of autonomous self-improving loops, right? You know, and so... Auto-research from Karpathy again. Yes. Yeah. Or slash goal now in Codex. Like they've incorporated it too. We have this general agent that every night will go and read through all of the agent conversations that employees have had and look for things that could have done better and pieces of context that if it had up front, it would have done more efficiently.
19:41Pete Koomen:This is OpenClaw's dream cycle. And G-Brain also has a dream cycle. This is a skill improvement dream cycle, but it could also potentially read all the transcripts and then write them back into the internal DB, into the internal CRM on what we know about people and companies. Indeed. And there are cool examples of using transcripts, actually, to make these skills more effective as well. One of the shared skills that we have is a skill that partners at YC use to help our companies write what we call two-sentence descriptions. Everybody here has written hundreds of these. We should probably explain what a two-sentence description actually is.
20:26So a two-sentence description is a concise way of explaining what your company does in natural language that anyone will understand and why it's interesting. Sounds easy, but it's surprisingly hard for founders to actually... And also no one does it, weirdly.
20:39Pete Koomen:Weirdly, even the most experienced founders forget because they have perfect context. Interestingly, I now realize YC itself is a context engineering sort of process in that people, we're frequently teaching people, you have perfect context about what's going on in your brain. But great communication is replicating that same context in someone else's brain. And that's what a two sentence pitch is like, what is it? Like, I don't even know what the heck this is. And then second part is like, is it interesting or valuable? What, you know, is it worth my time? And so that, you know, when I, when I teach two sentence pitches, that's my favorite way to do it is like, do I even know what the heck this is?
21:21Pete Koomen:Because if you don't know what it is, you can't even ask a question about it. It's like something about computers, I guess, whatever. What time is lunch again? And then the second part is equally important, which is like, if I've heard that, you know, there are like 20 companies, like there are five other companies in this room that do X, like, and then I don't understand like why this is noteworthy. Like, again, I'm like thinking about my pastrami sandwich again, right? So the two sentence pitch like viscerally is important for founders. And it's a simple kind of atomic thing that every partner at YC has practiced over and over and over again.
21:58I think Tom, one of the partners here, wrote a skill that teaches an agent how to take some context about a company and condense that into a two-sentence description. And so that was his sort of handwritten prompt or skill about how that was done. And one of the cool things that happened in the last month or two was that a couple of the other partners took a meeting that they had with a group office hours they had with a bunch of the companies in the spring batch and just went through and had every founder try their hand at a two-cent subscription and kind of gave them feedback and input. And so kind of the knowledge that lives in a partner's head about how to do this effectively was exchanged back and forth, right?
22:43And now lived in the context of that meeting transcript and handing that back to the agent and saying, given what you've learned by reading through this context, improve the two-sentence description skill. And they got noticeably better after that. Like this thing is now better than I am, I would argue, at writing those.
23:02Pete Koomen:This is how superintelligence happens inside organizations. I mean, this two-sentence pitch thing sounds like something kind of small, but embedded in it is actually something very powerful. I'm sure you guys have heard Jack Dorsey talk about what he's doing with Block. He basically is trying to turn Block into a mini AGI around helping people in the world make payments to one another. And then this is actually the micro mechanism by which he's going to do that. You can look at the operation of any organization as the aggregate of, I mean, the two sentence pitch at YC is that sort of one of like thousands of things that I would argue we do for founders.
23:45Pete Koomen:but you know we just walk through a very concrete way where someone wrote a prompt used it used a bunch more other people used it a bunch of artifacts came off of that around literally like the transcript of using it becomes a thing that can be used to meta prompt and improve in an automated fashion on a daily basis the operation of that one skill and then suddenly that one skill, you just said it. That skill is now better than any of us individually than before we actually had access to that. And so this is like a particular needle pinprick in the fabric of how any organization does things. And then how do you build super intelligence inside a company?
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24:30Pete Koomen:You do that on everything you do. And it's not more complicated than that. You literally just compose everything that you do and any given thing that any given person can do you combine that in aggregate and in this particular process and like you have a super organization it's possible now like every single person watching this can do this at any company at their own company they can do it at their job i mean the interesting thing is that's why you should start a startup because people are going to be trapped in organizations with people running organizations that are very powerful and have all these resources and all this capital that do not believe what we just said.
25:07Because they keep all the context locked down.
25:09Pete Koomen:Right. Because it's unsafe. This is one of those things that we talk about how to build an AI native organization, right? Part of the key thing is not to just use AI as a co-pilot. I think that's very 2023, four, right? This is the thing where you use it as a really the building layer for everything. and you need to start recording all the artifacts. People wouldn't have thought of meeting recordings and it is one of those reasons why all these meeting recorders have been taking off. People have been finding them with coaching them on the meetings, but it's not just that. You could take that and improve all the output for you that you do, like writing emails, communication, planning.
25:54You have the whole context of everything. It's funny to say, I remember the Dario essay where it's like there's some of the blockers on just the rate of progression of AI are not technical. They're just sort of like social cultural things. I think it's kind of like a really interesting example. Two years ago, it would have seemed, I just remember it felt odd to just like record a meeting or like there was just like people trying to figure out what the like social etiquette around it was and like how intrusive it was. And today I just feel like it's almost like default assumed that like most beings are being recorded, especially if they're on Zoom, but just in general, like everyone started recording things now.
26:27It's a little scary, But I think if you frame this as a way for everyone in an organization to get better at what they do using the collective skill and instinct of the people they work with, it's incredibly powerful. Having a canonical two-sentence description skill is not just a way to generate a snippet of text for a founder. It's a way to help me get better at understanding what makes for effective founder communication, right? Because now I can tap into everything that Diana and Harge and you two have learned over the many years you've done this job, which are now kind of baked into this skill through the conversations that you've had.
27:06It's like a shared organizational brain. Yes. It's very empowering. It's like the closest thing to us being able to, like, connect our brains. Yes. It totally is, right? And I can have an agent now come and I can do practice sessions with it, right? And I can have it critique. Like there are so many possibilities once you get all of this knowledge into a place where an agent can work with it. It's a very empowering thing for every human in the organization.
27:31Pete Koomen:There's some subtle interesting things around here that like, you know, other people might get wrong that like I feel like we've gotten right. I mean, one of them is by default, the agent conversation is actually globally viewable by any full time employee at YC. You know, we sort of weren't sure about that decision. I mean, it felt right and it felt like living in the future, but it did not come easily. I feel like we had a lot of conversations about like, well, then everyone sees everything. Is that OK? And like, you know, what is not OK? And then I'm glad we made the choice to keep it open, actually, because I agree.
28:07Pete Koomen:People learned how to use it from watching how other people used it. We use that transparency to solve several problems at the same time. One, every agent conversation, as you mentioned, was broadcast internally to a Slack channel. And anybody could join that Slack channel and look and learn, right? And I remember this is another kind of big unlock one was when you started using it really heavily. You were like super creative with the things you were doing with it. And a lot of us watched that and was like, oh, wow, I didn't even occur to me to use it that way, right? It allows you to be a little more lenient on internal security, right?
28:44One of the things we talked about earlier was this tradeoff where these agents are at their most powerful when they are given unrestricted access to lots of context, which runs counter to the way most organizations work. It turns out that by defaulting to public broadcast for these conversations, you kind of institute a bit of a social control on what people can do with it. That, as we learned, I think has been like reasonably effective inside of this high trust environment at keeping private information private.
29:15Pete Koomen:Yeah, what's interesting is it betrays two traits of truly agentic, like 1000x super intelligent organizations that I would not have necessarily guessed would exist, but are now like must exist. If you want to create this type of organization, you have to be relatively egalitarian and you also have to be trust by default. And then neither of those things actually are most organizations in the world. If you're the founder of an organization, you actually have to have those at the core of what you're doing. And I think that kind of environment honestly works best at startups, right? When it's a small group of people that are all aligned and operating in a high trust environment.
29:54Pete Koomen:The other thing you have to do is be willing to spend like$10 ,000 to$100 ,000 a year on tokens. But if you're willing to do it and you invest in the skills and you like actually do everything in an open way with your team that way, like basically what I realized is it allows you to live in 2028, right? Like what you spend$100 ,000 or a million dollars a year on now, it will be commonplace like in two years, right? It won't cost$100 ,000 in a year. It'll cost$10 ,000. And the year after that, it'll be like a couple hundred bucks, right? And everyone will do it. And we'll call it like this is how companies are now.
30:30Pete Koomen:So basically, there's a one-time time warp where you can leapfrog every incumbent, all Fortune 500s, all startups that exist by doing this. Like I'm imagining in the 90s, I wonder if it felt similarly when companies started buying computers for their employees. Yeah. They were probably very expensive and probably only certain companies really invested in buying these like expensive, flaky computer systems for their employees. But like what a superpower to have a computer when your competitors like don't have computers. I think more tactically how I've seen this affect YC has been raising the floor.
31:06The floor, in a sense. What I mean by that is that you could have a new employee joining and maybe would have taken them six months to ramp up. But with this, it's sort of like they automatically get a lot of the contacts from the company working and they know how the best people and the star players in the organization do things by apprenticeship automatically with AI instead of because partner time is expensive or sometimes the best people in an org, they're very busy, right? And you get to kind of run the simulation of what it's like to be like Pete when he does an awesome job coaching founders on sales.
31:39Or like Gary when he's talking to founders and giving very specific advice. I think it helps all the new entrants in the organization just be a mini version of you a lot faster. One of the first things that I appreciated about being able to use a coding agent was that all of the dumb questions I was too embarrassed to ask, I had no trouble asking the agent. And this is kind of that same thing, but at an organizational level, right? You're a brand new employee. You're embarrassed to ask. You don't want to bug hard with a question. And now you don't have to, right? Which on that means a lot more questions get asked and answered and people ramp up much more quickly.
32:19After you had built all of this agent infrastructure at YC, it inspired you to write this essay, Horseless Carriages, that went pretty viral on the internet. Maybe you can explain the ideas behind horseless carriages. I think they're still very relevant now. It was a critique of a lot of the AI software that I saw being built at the time. And to be totally honest, I think a lot of it still falls into the time.
32:41Pete Koomen:It's still like that. Yeah, it didn't change. Yes. I just saw a lot of examples of companies building software and adding AI features by sort of slotting a little bit of AI inside of a lot of software, right? And the example that I used at the time was the kind of email writer that the Gmail team had shipped. But the real idea underneath was just kind of that the potential for AI is to shift control of software from the developer to the user, right? And the simple example I started with was basically that all of these kind of like AI as a little feature kept a bunch of prompt context about how the AI should do a job locked away and hidden from the user, which was just this classic example of like, well, it's the developer's job to figure out how all of this stuff should work.
33:32So the developer should write that and we should protect the user from that kind of complexity.
33:37Pete Koomen:Safetyism. I hate it. Right. And, you know, and it's just, again, going back to this contrast between watching the way that some of these tools work and what it was like to use a coding agent on my computer that could do anything. Right. And feeling like I had superpowers. I think the conclusion that this essay points to is that as we get better at building AI native software, it's going to look a lot more like the agent wrapping software deterministic tools rather than deterministic software wrapping in AI. Right. And we've done our best to expose that to internal employees with some of these primitives that we've built.
34:19But we have a long way to go. The chat as the interface, I just feel something. There's things going around right now about how there's a need to build a new interface for AI and what does that look like. And I think that just comes from people who haven't touched and felt it yet. Chat is actually pretty good because you trust the agent. You increasingly trust the agent to do more of the work and you trust its decisions. And you don't actually need to have too much of a UI to go in and review the things it's doing.
34:46Pete Koomen:It's time for just-in-time software. Yeah, basically, right? Like, yes, occasionally you want it to present you, like, maybe, like, a specific view of something. And it could make the software and build it as a single-page JavaScript just purposely built for you at that moment. And it could be a skill file that could be, like, called anytime you want. I was thinking a lot about this because I used to be in the camp that, oh, perhaps when ChatGPT came out and it was 2023, that perhaps chat was not going to be the UI for all these AI applications. And I've definitely changed my mind. Part of it is that after experiencing all these tools, and I think the more I reflect upon it, why chat is probably the better interface is because it's the closest thing to human language.
35:26And human language and writing is basically the closest thing to expression of thinking. So chat is the closest stepping stone to clear intelligence. So you can't just put it in a box. I think it just constrains too much to have a very specific box. So that's why I thought it was like, okay, all in with chat interfaces. I used to be in the other camp. And it's like. It's multimodal. I know we've talked about like Telegram is not ideal, but I actually. It's pretty good. Yeah, it's pretty good.
35:55Pete Koomen:I mean, the voice memos, sometimes when I don't want to type, you just do the voice memo and it feels like I'm talking to. I can give it text. I can give it voice. I can give it pictures of things. It's great. I can give it files. It's pretty good. Yeah. I just experienced this. So like January, I think the last episode we did, I just talked about this. I spent January through February building half a million lines of code for a Rails app, which was Gary's list. And it was like, you know, I know people make fun of me for like it was a blog, but it was like I built the blog in like the first week.
36:26Pete Koomen:Like I spent a month and a half building a full agentic framework that did like my own version of deep research and like fact checking. But the thing is, I built it the way I would have built software in 2013. The last time I wrote code, it was like the Web 2.0 version of this. And Cloud Code lets you do that. And what's crazy to connect is like, I'm working like, I don't know, I think I wrote like 40 ,000 lines of code the last three days just for G-Brain. And G-Brain is basically Gary's List 2.0, but it's totally open source, right? So everything I had to write for agentic retrieval, everything I had to do for voice extraction, everything I had to do for fact checking, all of that now exists inside Gbrain.
37:11Pete Koomen:And I just gave it to my Gary's List team yesterday as their own OpenClaw instance. And they're flying now. right like they were complaining about like i had made you know this monolithic writer chat interface and it was like full of bugs because i was like re-implementing things that open claw and telegram already do and now they just use open and claw telegram and my retrieval system with like all the same data that i extracted it out and with our mcp and it's working great like basically you know gary's list 2.0 the next rewrite thankfully is not half a million lines of Rails code that is like insane to actually, you know, it's rigid.
37:52Pete Koomen:It takes a long time. It like takes like 10 times long, you know, even though it was one one hundredth the amount of time to do it like by hand, you don't have to do it by hand. Like that half a million lines of code in Rails is easily like 10 ,000 lines of like TypeScript and like maybe 2 ,000 lines of Markdown. And all of that is way more dynamic. Like you could just say like, actually for the second paragraph, I really like including a biography of like the politician we're focusing on. And it's like, I don't have to code that in Rails. I don't even have to write that into a Ruby file that then gets evaled in like, you know, my complex eval infrastructure.
38:33Pete Koomen:Like OpenClaw just knows that. And I have an eval skill. My editor-in-chief can just change it on the fly. And I didn't touch it. And it's like, this is insane, actually. Like, this is actually the dawn of just-in-time software. And I can see it right now. The best AI software that I've used, whether it's inside of YC or tools that others have built, tend to be very small. And just add kind of the smallest amount of code ahead of time that you need in order to let the model shine. And you can build an awful lot with that, right? I can write tens of thousands of lines of code, like you're saying.
39:11But the ability to start at this extremely simple thing that I need to understand very little in order to use is incredibly powerful. And I think most software in the future is going to look like that. We were talking about this earlier, but I think that is what OpenCore did really well. There were a few things that you wanted. Some ability to give it a bit of personality. You wanted it to persist and last for a long time and have some concept of memory. It's not perfect, but that's actually good enough for that use case. Cloud Code 2, every time Boris comes and speaks at WC, he spoke with Diana earlier this week.
39:48One of the things that really stands out is how obsessed he is with simplicity and with just making the product as small as possible. My favorite example of this is this open source harness called Pi. That's what OpenCore uses as an out-of-the-box coding agent. It's this beautiful piece of software, which is just the smallest possible coding agent. You can use Pi to modify and extend Pi, right? And it's this kind of idea of like self-extending and self-referential software. It's really fascinating. And you're right, OpenClaw was built on top of that. One of the things I'm very curious to see is how many other sort of pieces of classic software emerge in this form as this kind of minimal thing that you start with and then use an agent to extend over time.
40:33I think more and more, I mean, looking at honestly the benefits that we've gotten from having our own customizable software. I suspect that a lot of commercial software will come with this capability out of the box in the future.
40:45Pete Koomen:There's a really interesting, subtle thing that I wanted to talk about around what I learned from your essay, which is AI can either be centralizing or decentralizing. And the Google, Gmail, I can't change the prompt thing is the perfect example of that. We basically have a choice to be made over the next, I don't think it's even that long. I think it's like 18 to 24 months. It might take five years, but there are sort of two scenarios. And what comes to mind is literally like the 1984 Macintosh commercial by Apple, where it's like, is 2034 going to be like 1984? And the 1984 case would be, we have centralized control.
41:27Pete Koomen:There are five kings. There's only one of them maybe wins. They have the most advanced AI. They have end run around all compute and power. They have all the space data centers because you can't build any terrestrial data centers in America anyway. There's this centralization of control. And not only that, they don't let you run your own prompts. They literally do the Gmail thing, but for your whole computing existence. And this would be as if personal computers never existed and there were only mainframes and mini computers. This This is sort of lost to the sands of time. But, you know, in the 1960s and 70s, when computers first came out, like you couldn't go to the store like you can today.
42:09You couldn't go to an Apple store and just buy an iPhone, let alone a Mac.
42:14Pete Koomen:You had to get access to like this thing that was worth like hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions of dollars. And it was like and it was like tightly locked down by corporate policies. You're right. And the thing that really spurred the computing revolution was when people started. having personal computers that they could experiment on. Yeah. And just like the priesthood, right? There was a small priesthood and an institutional base that controlled capital, literally the means of production. And so, you know, this is like a coherent future that we could live in that I don't want to live in.
42:48And the alternative to that is actually embedded in the homebrew computer club.
42:53Pete Koomen:It's embedded in the revolution that Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak gave us when they were in the garage in Mountain View, literally soldering together breadboards. And they sold 500 of these Apple I's. And I think we're at the Apple I moment right now. We are coming up with the primitives. We're learning how do these things work and how do we sell it and how do we package it. But then there's a lot of choices right now, right? Most people, a billion users use ChatGPT. And ChatGPT gives you a little access. But MCP is really locked down. you actually you know can't hook things up to your own databases that easily and you know for what safety like I would argue Claude is like a little bit more open but not really perplexity computer is probably the best version of it but it's still like you know pretty limited compared to what you could do with OpenClaw and Hermes agent and so what does the revolution look like that is like the true personal AI moment and that's what I hope that we are building with things like G-Brain and, you know, Hermes Agent and OpenClaw, like the ability to run your own software, to change your own prompts, to test all of it, to have your own private repo that like, you know, is only yours, to be able to choose which model to use.
44:17Pete Koomen:And maybe it's an open weight model. Like to me, that's sort of the white pill for AI is we could have corporate control, no control of your own prompts and like literally the AI happens to you, you know, you're under the API line. Or like there's this other alternative where I want like a billion people to actually control and program for themselves. What are these things? This should be an extension of yourself and what you care about, not what, you know, meta or alphabet or even open AI or anthropic care about? I always really bristle when I see AI framed as a way to replace people because it just doesn't match the way that I have experienced it and the way that so many of the people around me have experienced it, not as a replacement for humans, but as a thing that empowers.
45:07If you look at kind of how tech has developed since the era of mainframes to PCs, to the internet, which gave everyone like a publishing platform, like it's a story overall, above all of individual empowerment. And I think AI is going to play out the same way. I think it is going to enable us to do more than we could before. I think it's going to eliminate kind of the drudgery style work that like made a lot of my job painful in the past.
45:33Pete Koomen:To me, it's like we have to make choices to do so. By default, like a company is not open. By default, a company is command and control. By default, maybe the leadership gets access to these tools. But like the, you know, line level people, the staff people don't. Right. And we need a radically different type of organization. And we need to actually offer computing in a different way. And these are all choices. And the people who are watching are going to be the people who build all these things in society. So we better choose well. Well, that's all the time we have for today. I mean, I think we covered some pretty heavy stuff.
46:10Pete Koomen:But Pete, thanks for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for watching, guys. We'll see you guys on the next one. Bye.
From the publisher
Building superintelligence inside a company isn't about adding AI as a feature. It's about making it the operating system the whole organization runs on. In this episode of the Lightcone, we sat down with YC's Pete Koomen to talk for the first time about how he led the effort to build YC's internal agent infrastructure from the ground up. We cover how giving agents unrestricted access to one database changed everything, the self-improving skill loops that get smarter overnight and why he thinks we've arrived at the personal computer moment for AI.Chapters:00:00 — Intro00:39 — YC's AI Stack02:15 — The Finance Team Problem That Started It All05:07 — SQL Access Changes Everything07:20 — One Database to Rule Them All09:14 — Jevons Paradox 10:07 — Denormalizing for Agents (G-Brain)12:15 — The Single-Player Era of Agents14:16 — 350 Tools and a Shared Registry16:24 — Skillify, DRY, and MECE Resolvers18:23 — The Self-Improving Dream Cycle20:26 — The Two-Sentence Pitch Skill23:06 — How Super Intelligence Compounds25:10 — Recording Everything as a Building Layer27:10 — The Shared Organizational Brain29:18 — Trust-Default Culture as a Requirement30:44 — Raising the Floor for New Employees32:35 — Horseless Carriages Essay Explained34:24 — Why Chat Is the Best Interface for Agents36:10 — Garry's List → G-Brain Rewrite38:50 — Just-in-Time Software40:49 — Centralizing vs. Decentralizing AI43:32 — The Personal AI RevolutionApply to Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com/applyWork at a startup: https://www.ycombinator.com/jobs




