will.i.am: How AI Is Powering a New Era of Creativity | Artificial Intelligence | YAPClassic

26:45It's an awesome community from all the way from, you know, Dario at Anthropic, the original architect for the GPT-1, 2, and 3. And Sam Altman and the ChadGPT cats to Mustafa and Inflection, Reed Hoffman, to Clem and the Hugging Face crew to the Runway cats, the Mid Journey. Wow. The Mid Journey folks, that's amazing. Mid Journey's like, what? You know how big the Mid Journey team is? It ain't even that big. The what? Like, yo, redefining, like, yo, small teams doing awesome stuff. Check out the tool. Like, wow. I got to check it out. I never checked it out yet. You haven't checked out Mid Journey?

27:32No, I've never even heard of it. I don't even think, I guarantee you, I'm really caught up on things. I've never heard of Mid Journey. Yo, med journey. What is it? Theshit.com. Okay, check it out. Awesome.org. You got to like celebrate and salute awesome. And runway is dope too. Runway is really, really dope. Inflection is really, really fresh. You know, there's a lot of cool stuff that's coming. There's new companies working on new cool things. FYI, we're trying our hardest to push the boundaries on what like creative messaging is. like web 3.0 creative enterprise what is that creators have never had a messaging tool made for them where you could send big files on the messenger open big files on the messenger secure big files with elliptical curve cryptography methodologies have ai in the conversation with you and your team in a very safe trusted way like you know we're really trying to champion like communication in a creative renaissance and transforming the messenger.

28:41So yeah, FYI.ai is like, we're really rocking, inspired by the MidJourney team to stay lean and small, focus, build and solve problems to help creators be better creatives and supercharge them with awesome tools. Let's stick on that for a minute. I was talking to Lee a while ago when we first were talking about having you on the show. She's part of your team. And she was telling me how during COVID, you suddenly had to work from home and you were kind of driven mad. Like, how am I supposed to use all this? This is really hard to work from home. And you realize there were so many problems when it came to musicians and creators trying to create music when they had to work from home.

29:25So talk to us about the problems that you saw. Before COVID, you know, the world was the world. We took for granted how we used to do things. We went to work and we took for granted how awesome going to work was. We went home and we took for granted how awesome a peaceful home was. And then all of a sudden the world stopped and we were working from home. And we realized that the home environment that we thought was home needed to have a little bit more love because people didn't really appreciate their home and they really didn't appreciate their work. It just, it was what it was. It allowed us to look at things a little bit deeper and just what is personal time?

30:12What is mental health? What is family? What is work life? What is the balance between family, work life? Like it allowed us to look at ourselves in the world and the world and society and then earth and separate them because a lot of times people mix up the world from society and society from earth and the planet right like all these words that get interplayed it's the end of the world hey what does that actually mean the end of the planet in a society and it's a state how we how can we continue to sustain this the planet's going to like cease like no that's not the planet will heal itself it always has cycle after cycle after cycle um and our contribution to it and then there's that world which is a construct a human construct something that we created this concept of worlds borders nations you know extraction buying land buying product all this stuff is like made up actually and we all abide by it like we We all agreed that this is worth that.

31:21Some things are inhumane on what is worth what. I saw the world in a different way during COVID. And a lot of that was like, dang, what? We value all this stuff, but don't value this stuff? People's lives? People's lives are precious. Wow, that stuff is really cheap, but really somebody paid with their lives? That's why it's cheap. Wow. We were doing, and we still do some pretty inhumane things in the name of cheap, in the name of a discount. And we've discounted all the people who are responsible for your discount. Being home allowed me to really look deep in myself, what my purpose is. Why am I creating?

32:10Am I trying to be solution-orientated, purposeful? And I started looking at the tools that I use to communicate or that were given to me to communicate. And during COVID, it's like the messenger was, and Zoom came out of nowhere. Nobody was talking about Zoom before COVID. Like you barely Skyped during COVID. And Zoom just Zoom passed like Skype, like poor Skype. poor Skype Zoom just came out of nowhere and the creatives were continuing to rock on WhatsApp and iMessage and to do that you needed a Dropbox and a WeTransfer and I'm like wait my conversations are on the Messenger and email sometimes because this file is super large so they have to send it on a WeTransfer and I have to open it as a zip on my laptop because I can't open it from my phone on a Messenger.

33:08Some comments are on the Dropbox, by some comments and replies are on the email. Where was that note? Was the note on the Met? Like this shit is all over the place. And that was like the majority of 2020 for my field. I'm like, wow, I want to solve this just for me and the people that I collaborate with. There has to be a better way to work off the phone or tablet. And email is like old school. I don't like email. Email is like this old clunky. What's the conversation flow? Like the shit is all over the place. People are sending long texts, but short emails like this shit is broken. Texts were always supposed to be short.

33:49That's why they call them SMS for short messages. But people are sending long messages on text, but short emails like yes, hello, no. And I'm getting all these like CCs of just like yes and no's on email. This is broken. So I was like, let me find some awesome engineers and try to have like a singular interface of a communication collaboration, digital asset management workplace in the form of a messenger where I could send large files, where I could collaborate better and have a better track of who said what, when they said what. awesome ledgers where I could send things and remove access to the encryption key to where now you don't have access to that folder or that file anymore.

34:32I could block it to where you can't take a screenshot or screen record. I can assign face ID. The only person that could see this is this face and this face only. That's what a messenger should be like in 2020 right now, where people and teams can interact with intelligence all on a group thread where it's generative AI and awesome talent all on the same conversation flow. If you're stuck and you need extra strategic counsel, an AI away, you could just evoke strategy from any place on the messenger. Yes, that's what a messenger should sound like in 2020 right now. And so we started building that.

35:18We had that vision back in 2020, materialized in 2021, the backend to allow you to call from the content. Right now, on any messenger, I send you something and then I'll be like, yo, yo, did you see what I sent you? You'd be like, yeah, okay, check it out and call me back. That's the flow right now. Or let's hop on this Zoom. Hey, hold on, I'm going to share my screen. And then after you share your screen, you're like, yo, yo, yo, can you send me an email of what you shared? Or, hey, did you open up that text I sent you with that file? Look at it and call me back. That's the flow right now. On FYI, it's like, yo, I'm going to call you from this piece of content.

36:00I'm going to call you from this file so that when you see my phone call ringing, you know what I'm calling you for. I'm calling you about this file. So you could even preview it before you answer the phone. And then you know the context of what I'm calling about. And then if I share this project with you, or, you know, because FYI is project-based, you don't have to ask me for that file later. If I wanted you to keep it, I allow you to keep it. If I wanted to remove it, I remove access. I turn the key off, you don't have access to that. And then you have to call like, hey, that project you shared, can you give me access to see that?

36:38So those types of like turning off and on keys to remove or give you access to files that are dear to me, giving me the ability to protect those files that are precious to me, whether the files are docs or songs or videos or PDFs or projects or contracts, whatever those files are that are precious to your dream and materializing those dreams, you should have all the tools to secure those files. And more importantly, you should own all that data. You shouldn't have to worry about some company freaking selling your identity and your data away. Like, that doesn't sound like 2020 right now. That sounds like some freaking greedy ass data monarchy companies that are taking advantage of people, their communities, and their civil liberties.

37:26No, that's not creative. Creativity is always like collaborative. Creativity is always like, hey, this is about the community. Creativity is always about harmony and being in sync and making sure you make sense of the noise. That's music. That's art. That's how we're building FYIs from those principles. Yeah, FYI sounds super cool. Is it just for musicians right now? Because I could see it being used for podcasts, for YouTubers. Yeah. So podcasts, YouTubers, vloggers, bloggers, musicians, storytellers, book writers, tutors, teachers, students. It's a collaboration, networking, communication tool for this era, for this age, for this new renaissance.

38:20And is there a way for people to try it for free? Oh, right now, FYI is for free. So we're on iOS. We're on Android. We're about to release our desktop. Yeah. And our tablet. Yeah. Like really soon. Adding awesome features by the end of the year. So, yeah, it's really, really, really awesome. And the team is strong and small, tiny but mighty, inspired by the mid-journey. Those guys are, when I heard how awesome, itty-bitty, but amazing their team was, It just goes to show like startups can do amazing things with awesome talent. And no matter how different they are from, you know, the juggernauts, the giants of yester, you know, these small speedboats that can also pull megatons when it comes to the architecture and the vision.

39:12That's what's awesome about the age, this renaissance, because a team of four now has the power of the team of 200. What does that mean? Somebody could be like, yeah, but that's putting a lot of folks out of jobs. And my argument was these four that I'm talking about never got considered in the workplace to begin with. There's a part of culture that no one really paid attention to when it came to equality and diversifying. They never went to the inner cities and brought them up to speed on the new technological advances. So when it comes to, you know, jobs that will be obliterated because of AI, that's unfortunate.

39:56That happens in every industry shift from the third industrial revolution from second to third. A lot of jobs are rendered obsolete. So if you were a candlestick maker or your family made lanterns for hundreds of years and then the light bulb came and electricity came, those jobs are rendered not obsolete. but they were reduced. Candles are still made still to this day, but that's not the only type of illumination. Technological evolution has enriched our lives. And now this new technological evolution going from the third industrial revolution to the fourth industrial revolution, unfortunately, like the second to the third, lots of jobs will go, but new jobs will grow.

40:45Who's going to create those new jobs? I think those jobs that are going to be created, those industries that are going to be unearthed are going to come from folks whose problems were always ignored, right? People that come from underserved communities. Those underserved communities, no one really ever looked for the server in the first place and held that person accountable. No one ever held the underdeveloper that was responsible for the underdeveloped community. When you say underdeveloped community, there is a developer on the other end of that sentence. But no one was ever like, yo, who is this developer in the first damn place that's responsible for this underdeveloped community?

41:29And now for the first time in these people's lives, and I'm one of those people because I come from those types of communities. we now have tools where we could solve our problems ourselves. We could serve ourselves with these tools. We could develop our communities ourselves with these tools and identify these problems that have always been affecting us. And when you solve those problems, new jobs, new careers will be in society. And that's why I'm super optimistic is because it's going to do two things. It's going to supercharge imaginative, creative folks that have always lived in those circumstances to finally solve those problems themselves.

42:11And by doing that, they are tomorrow's entrepreneurs. They are tomorrow's industry leaders and trailblazers that will unearth tomorrow's jobs, workforces, awesome times, new renaissance.

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47:01You were just talking about how industries are going to change. And I know that you've said something along the lines of right now, you're trying to make as much human-made music as possible. So talk to us about the way that music is going to change from AI and creators in general are going to have to adapt to AI in the future. All right, there's two trends that I see happening in culture. And that is like music that is hypersensitive to TikTok algorithms. Like, yo, let's get these TikToks out there. and making songs for TikTok has reduced the attention span of a song. That's cool. It is what it is.

47:42It is what it is. It's dope. There's a lot of people having fun to it and creating and having some joyful moments. And that's great. That's what music is all about. But when you have been reduced to make content for an algorithm in the age where a machine understands the algorithm more than you, the person, then who's going to create better TikToks? People or AIs? AIs will out-produce TikToks than humans will because we are guessing what the algorithm is going to do while the AI will know exactly the algorithms and have more context on how people are going to respond to those algorithms. So that's a concern.

48:27And I think that's going to create a whole new type of human-made music. Like, you know, you go to the supermarket, you'd be like, yo, where's the organic? Can you show me the organic vegetable section, organic fruits? And when you go to those organic stations in the supermarket, organic fruit don't look as good as, like, the non-organic fruit. Whatever look good means. Maybe the organic fruit has, like, some bruises on it. But damn, that freaking organic banana is amazing. You know, and it tastes great. may not look as filtered pretty as the one sitting there for the past three weeks and hasn't gotten old yet, but damn, that organic banana tastes delicious.

49:10And I think we're going to have that. Like, this is organic, human-made music. People are going to want to go to live shows to see people really playing instruments, see people truly improvising. Because who the fuck is truly improv-ing right now? everything is so scripted so filtered so almost robotic right and there's nothing wrong with robotic i've done some robotic shit in my life but i see a curve i see this humanism around the corner and other folks like yo ain't you nervous about ai in the creative space will i'm like nah like why bro it could like it's gonna make awesome beats yeah damn right ai's gonna make some fucking sick ass beats it's gonna make some fucking dope ass lyrics yo damn right bro ai is gonna make some dope ass lyrics to the point where you're like yo who's the best lyricist jay-z or the ai jay-z what's one's gonna be better like yo human jay-z write me a verse on quantum theory from the perspective of living in the hood but jay-z has to do some research on quantum mechanics to write that.

50:22The AIJZ would do that immediately. Like in-depth, deep, metaphorical concepts that it's going to take somebody to be an expert at that field to really truly write songs about, you know, synthetic biology from the perspective of somebody living in Compton or somebody playing basketball, using metaphors on synthetic and really truly hitting every point. Like AI is going to be able to do that. And that's dope. and it's going to push human literature even further, right? That's dope too, right? But here's why I don't really give a fuck. Because if AI was to do yoga, is it going to do yoga better than me?

51:03And if it does, who fucking cares? Because I need to do yoga. And I cannot pass off certain tasks to an AI when I need to do that for my own spiritual, physical growth. I need to do yoga. I need to stretch. I need to stretch my mind. I need to stretch my soul. I need to stretch my body. And there's certain things AI is not going to do for me. And creating is one of those fucking things. I have to do it. It's therapeutic. So whether or not you'd like it better than my shit, I don't really care. Because there's going to be some people that like minds better than the AI, right? What is good, what is bad is relative.

51:44And I believe that people are going to be sick and tired of perfect. People are going to get tired of like exactly pixel perfect. We are over filtered. We are over choreographed. There's only so many moves we could do at the same time. And I think true raw expression, emotion that lets out what's inside, trapped inside, however you have to sing it, however you have to let it out, people are going to applaud that because not everybody is brave enough to just let out what's inside of them. I think you bring up a really good point because creativity is going to end up becoming more valued because with AI, everything might become more cookie cutter, to your point.

52:35So I interviewed this guy, Mo Gaudet, and he's the ex-Google CTO, a very smart guy. And my episode with him went viral. It was episode number 241 for anybody tuning in who wants to check it out. And he basically was talking about how AI can become sentient, how AI in 10 years is going to be a billion times smarter than humans. we're at this critical point where we have to determine how AI gets evolved so that we're not at a point where AI controls us and not the other way around, right? So do you have any sort of fears around AI in this way, or how do you align to that or not? As a deep one, holla, I'm an optimist.

53:22I think the people that are afraid of those types of doomsday predictions or guesstimates or worries never have lived in any type of hood where they see the wicked things that humans do to humans. And so although that's a concern and a guess and a worry, humans have been surviving for millions of years. Bears are stronger than us. Lions are stronger than us. We ain't tripping. Birds fly higher than us. We're not tripping. There's other species in the planet that have proven they're stronger than us and better than us in so many ways. But that hasn't stopped us. That hasn't hindered our imagination.

54:17Hasn't changed how we love. Did the guy tell you if AI is going to out love us? No, right? No. You didn't say that AI is going to be out-empatheticus, our empathy, our ability to care. No, right? It's all like mathematical capitalism worries, right? My little flag is like, yo, is AI responsible for the people in the Congo and how they're living and why they're living the way they're living? Was AI responsible for all the indigenous people that got wiped out by conquistadors? No, right? That was an AI, right? That was humans that did that. And if that day comes where AI is going to outwit us, be smarter than us, maybe that's when human beings become something that we've been waiting to become.

55:09And that is like this spiritual creature that evolves spiritually to outlove anything on Earth. Because AI is not going to do that. So I say bring it. So we could really truly do what we're supposed to do on this planet. And that is to be loving, magnetic, full spectrum, the whole entire electromagnetic spectrum and just like, poof, and magnetize and connect hearts and minds and souls. And if that's AI's job is to be that thing that wakes us up to do that, then ring the alarm. Let's go. I love that. That's so powerful. So you're part of several World Economic Forum working groups that study how AI is impacting society, business, and people.

55:57So what is the type of work that you're doing with these groups and why is it important? Once again, I was born and raised in the projects of East Los Angeles. I was invited to speak and be a part of the World Economic Forum's Fourth Industrial Revolution Council because of the work that I do in the inner cities, bringing inner city kids up to speed. on science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. I joined the AI board to wave a flag on algorithmic and data biases. Because as we are entering the space of machine everywhere, how are we going to address the algorithmic biases and the biases that are in our data sets?

56:40How is it going to be a safe experience for folks that have been ignored for hundreds of years? There's this thing called the pale male algorithm. And is that on purpose? My optimism tells me it's probably not on purpose. It's probably circumstantial. Where because we don't zone and educate folks in the inner city the way that we should, the circumstances have led it to where we have this algorithmic biases because we are not programming the algorithms and we're not training the data. So no matter how you look at it from whatever angle, it still is on purpose. Because no matter how you can look at it from like, you know, an optimistic point of view, no matter which corner you go to, damn it, we haven't been prepared.

57:30And that preparation is investment and zoning. And where we don't have zoning and investment, it also creates an environment for an American prison industrial complex. So although we haven't invested in these neighborhoods, the byproduct of that non-investment has this pathway to America's prison systems. So what do I do on that council is I like push as much as possible to remind folks that are at the World Economic Forum that when they leave that mountain at Davos, we have to get people prepared. We can't afford to have another cycle of division. We need inclusion. We need diversity. Because if we don't have that diversity and that inclusion, then that machine is just going to duplicate the horrendous inhumane practices that humans have done to humans.

58:29Because these machines are learning from our data set, not just scientists writing the algorithms, but just it's being trained off the open freaking internet. So when these systems are deployed, it's going to be back ass words. That's why it's super, super urgent to have teach kids robotics, computer science and engineering. And more importantly, for people that look like me to start companies around AI, communication, data training, algorithmic programming. We need to see ourselves in this world. And so that's why I started my foundation. That's why I've invested in companies. And that's why I still make music, but I focus more on my energy as an entrepreneur so that the kids at my school could see what we are capable of, of coming up with ideas and leading companies, starting companies, solving problems.

59:20It's great to be working and collaborating with the people in that community to remind them the importance of, you know, pushing the envelope to get more people from these parts of the world prepared and ready for this tomorrow. Yeah, I totally agree. Diversity in STEM, it's super critical for the future of innovation. It's really awesome what you're doing for these communities. So we're going to close out the interview because I want to be respectful of our time and everything that you've talked about today is so inspiring. I love the learning from you. I learned so much from you and all these unique perspectives.

59:57And I think all of our listeners did. So the last two questions that I ask all my guests, first of all, what is one thing that our young and profiterers can do today to become more profitable tomorrow? Build your manifestation network. You have to build an amazing network of folks that help you manifest. It's teamwork. Any dream that you have, you have to have a manifestation squad. And if the dream is not working out, somebody in your squad is not helping you manifest. You have the wrong squad, right? So profitable is a result of your manifestation. So first you have to manifest. And before you manifest, you have to ideate.

1:00:44Your idea has to be strategically solid to manifest it. To manifest it, you have to have an awesome squad. And then the result of that or the proceeds or how you profit from that. But as you think about profit, also keep in mind who benefits while you benefit. Because if it's one-way transactional where you profit and you hurt communities and you hurt society as a whole and the environment, I don't think the future has room for that anymore. purposeful, inclusive, where you profit and other folks benefit from your success as well, or other communities benefit from your success as well. It's like the bee theory.

1:01:33The bees do some pretty awesome work, but other living species benefit from bee activity. It's like this cycle. It's not like extract, extract, extract. Oh, I'm a big fat cat. Look at all this money I got in the whole fucking world is fucked off. And what is your secret to profiting in life? And this can go beyond financial and business. To prophesize, to be of service, to help. That's what profits do. And where we're going is, you know, we all need to try to be that type of contributor to society. The one where you just profit, somebody's not. Somebody's lives are being torn apart because the only thing you're thinking about is making money.

1:02:23You have no desire to help anybody along your way. I don't think that's what tomorrow looks like, where companies market so well that they destroy the health of the communities that they're marketing in and selling. I don't think that's what tomorrow looks like. And this new generation, Gen Zers, they know that. That's like top of mind for them. Like, what are you actually doing for society as a whole? It rhymes with what people are demanding from companies. And I don't think there's room for that fat profit cat. When the collective of Gen Zers as a whole, the whole embodiment, the energy is like a profit.

1:03:08The energy of a profit, like, I care. I want to help. I'm here. I'm prophesying a better path for us where we all can be equality and diversity and inclusion. Well, I love that answer. It was such a great answer. So I want to make sure that everybody knows how to help you with your I Am Angel Foundation. So what's the best way that they can support you there? There's two ways that people want to help on our I Am Angel Foundation. Actually, three. One, if you cannot donate money, you could always just spread the word on the work that we're doing for inner city kids or kids that come from poverty-stricken areas or underserved communities to bring them up to speed with the tomorrow skill sets today.

1:03:55How do we prepare folks to go out into the world and solve tomorrow's problems by preparing themselves right now? Spread the word that I Am Angel is doing. If you have the ability to donate, you could go to our website, imangelfoundation.org and donate. And if you want to get a little bit more involved, go to a school in some neighborhood that needs a robotics program and bring a robotics program to that school. It's about 10K a year. You could either donate to I am Angel to do that, or you could just do that yourself. Pick a school, go to the principal, knock on their office door, ask them, do you guys have a robotics program at the school?

1:04:44If they don't, there's a program called First Robotics. They have FRC, FLC. FLC is First Lego League competition. We start as early as nine years old building robotics team where kids compete. There's FRC and FTC, First Tech Challenge, First Robotics Challenge. there's all these different from nine-year-olds to junior high school to high school kids there's three three ways to contribute spread the word donate to imangelfoundation.org or if you want to go to the full gusto find a school buy a first robotics kit from flc frc ftc and outfit that school with a robotics team and see how you're going to play a part and having a more balanced tomorrow.

1:05:33Really good cause. And I'm excited to hopefully get involved. Sounds really awesome. So the last question that I have for you is where can everybody learn about FYI and your new music and everything that you do? If you want to learn more about FYI, go to FYI.ai, go to the App Store or Google Play Store and download FYI.ai. It's a creative tool for a creative enterprise, transforming what a messenger is and this new renaissance that we are in now. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Will. I love this conversation and appreciated your time. Hey, your awesome interview. Thank you so much. Holla. Thank you.

1:06:28Thank you.