The products and brands I truly rate, and love – with Beauty Editor Bridget March

0:01Dr Sophie Shotter:Hi, I'm Sophie and this is Age Well with Dr Sophie Shotter, a space devoted to all things health, wellness and longevity. Because for me, ageing well is about looking and feeling like the best possible version of ourselves, inside as well as out. So together with my producer Fee, I'll be deep diving into the latest research, sifting fact from fiction. I'll also be talking to all kinds of trusted experts, tapping into their knowledge, along with bringing you conversations from a range of interesting women, and men finding out how they age well. So this is my show. Welcome along. And as always, thank you so much for listening.

0:45Dr Sophie Shotter:Bridget, you're one of my favourite people in the media and press world. You're a much loved beauty writer and consultant and contributing editor for Harper's Bazaar. Of course, you're also a busy working parent. I really enjoyed listening to you on another podcast where you talked about content pollution in the digital space and this idea of niching down and creating truly useful content. And I totally agree because it's all so busy out there, both on socials and online platforms. And I know you were there since the earliest days on things like handbag.com. How hard has it been to carve out a niche in beauty writing?

1:21Dr Sophie Shotter:And how hard is it to stay on top of things. Who do you follow and who do you think gets it right? And I guess more generally, final part of the question, how hard is it to stand out in such a saturated market, particularly with new influences emerging all the time? Well, thank you so much for your kind words. And thank you so much for having me on the podcast. It's really exciting to be here. So thank you. So in answer to your question, yes, I think my focus has really kind of happened naturally and organically. I've, you know, always responded to our readers' love of skincare at Harper's Bazaar when I was there as digital beauty director and launched this series called Skin School, which became the biggest franchise.

2:01And I guess I was always aligned with what the readers wanted, you know, whether it was that or celebrity-focused content or spa reviews, which I really leant into because it fed my love of travel as well. And I sort of did the same previously when I was at Cosmopolitan for that readership. But like you say, kind of whether it was at Bazaar or Cosmo or not, I kind of always wanted my work to be useful. This idea that sort of Hearst had of producing content with purpose resonated with me and I wanted it to be truthful and present facts over fear and not go after the clickbait. It's really important to me that I really only work with people that I respect and trust.

2:40And I think that's quite an instinctive thing. And I feel like my thing, if I was to have a thing, is really sort of sharing people's expertise. you know I'm so privileged to have access to some of the best brains and the best talents in the beauty business and I think my job is to sort of share their expertise in my stories you know I ask the experts rather than presenting myself as the expert I think which is what I feel more comfortable doing and enjoy doing which is why it's also a bit weird for me being on a podcast being interviewed because I'm so used to doing the interviewing but um yeah so that's my perspective And in terms of people that you mentioned, people I resonate with doing it well that I love to follow, fellow journalists who do really have a niche, I think I love are Inge van Lotringen.

3:26She does amazing kind of skincare, very sort of truthful cuts through the bullshit, as does Nadine Baggett, Alice Hart-Davis, all for skincare and treatment. and then yourself of course Sophie and fellow medics that really sort of take a sort of a medical approach to treatment and skincare and I love Tom Smith for hair, Sally Hughes for in-depth product reviews, Alistair Park for fragrance and wellness I love Rosemary Ferguson I love she does for wellness on socials it's all education based and practical but it's educational. Thank you for that lovely comment.

4:06Dr Sophie Shotter:I like a lot of the people that you like too as well, Bridget. You've also talked brilliantly about not getting drawn into comparison culture. And oh my goodness, this is such a tough one for all of us. Do you see yourself as staying in the beauty lane or do you feel this need or do you want to cross over and diversify into other areas, even completely different areas? I mean, and also do you still feel ambitious? oh comparison culture is really tough isn't it I've always sort of had imposter syndrome confidence is definitely not one of my strengths I think you know my close friends would agree and I've had to really try my best not to have this sort of compare and despair moments with social media because as we all know comparison really is the thief of joy and it's so easy in this industry to worry that you're not doing enough you know especially now being freelance, I'm constantly thinking, oh God, should I be writing a book?

5:03Should I be launching a podcast? Should I be launching a brand? And I have to really stop myself and think about how I would advise my children when they feel they aren't enough. But in all honesty, I don't think I'm driven by standing out. As I get older, I'm really trying to make peace with the fact that ambition does look different for everyone. We don't all have to be doing everything and shouting about it on social media. And I'm never really sort of trying to chase followers or the job title or the byline, much as I probably should more. You know, I need to earn a living, of course, and I love what I do.

5:39But like, I do think being content is undervalued and it's okay to take it at your own pace and diversify as and when you want. In terms of sort of staying in the beauty lane, it's what I know and love, but I feel like, you know, that's so intertwined with wellness. So it's actually quite broad. and I've always loved travel as well which is I've managed to sort of weave into my beauty writing along the way when I was at Cosmopolitan years ago I went traveling for a long time actually left and then went back to Cosmos it wasn't like I was still employed but they kept me on on a freelance basis writing a blog and it was beauty in the backpack and so I talked about my experiences with beauty when I was backpacking and people I met and trends I came across and local practices and stuff and then moving on to bazaar I did a lot of sort of spa travel so that's something you know it's harder with three kids to be traveling too much but it's not just the beauty lane I'm in it is slightly broader but I'm quite content with how it is at the moment

6:39Dr Sophie Shotter:yeah traveling with three children is definitely more of a challenge it is sometimes you've got to weigh up what's worth it you know but we'll get there my first I sort of took him around here there and everywhere and we had a ball with the second you know he was a pandemic baby and that did become a bit trickier anyway and now we're three you know they're all such different ages they've got a nine five and a one-year-old so they're all at quite different stages but that said we're off for a hotel stay tomorrow so wish me luck lovely naturally we'd also like to talk all things skincare what's your current in clinic routine are there any new or next generation treatments or tweakments that you really rate or are intrigued by or also perhaps old favorites that you'll always have so whether that's skin injectables laser treatments or even a particular facial that you've fallen in love with i'm not a huge kind of aesthetics girl as you know sophie because i've seen you and we've talked about it a lot with what i wanted to try not and you know i write about them a lot of botox and fillers but i'm i think i'm still sort of one of the very few beauty editors.

7:46He hasn't tried them myself, but I am a big fan of the prejuvenation, you know, this sort of collagen banking ideas for treatments that are sort of rejuvenating and sort of playing the long game, I suppose, if you will. And I'm trying Sculptra next week, which I'm really excited about because I've heard such good things about that. I know it's huge in the States and it's becoming more and more popular here. And then in terms of things I have had and loved. I tried Softwave with yourself, which I feel made a really visible difference to kind of skin tightening and lifting. But again, it wasn't like changing my appearance.

8:22It wasn't visible in that way. But it was, I think it bought me some time before my second baby. I haven't had anything basically for a couple of years because I was pregnant and breastfeeding. I used to have Proviolo a lot with yourself, Sophie, which you know that I absolutely loved and I'm missing. So I think I need to get back into that because I've heard mixed things about Prophilo. Some people report it wasn't for them. But for me, it really did make a great, it gave me a little bit of volume and it definitely gave me a glow. And I'm not sure if I've got, because I've got quite a slim face.

8:57Like, I think fillers might overwhelm it slightly, but Prophilo does give it a slight volumizing effect, even though I know that that's not necessarily the purpose of it. but it did what I wanted. And that's what matters. There's no one tool that's right for everybody. And I also loved SkinVeve, which I tried recently, which is purely about hydration, isn't it? The liquid moisturizer, as it's sort of been coined. That did really tick a box for me over winter in terms of, you know, I wasn't reaching for the moisturizer all the time. It really just hydrated my skin. It just felt, it really prepped it nicely for makeup.

9:35It just felt like I had this sort of more a bit more of a juiciness to my skin over winter which you know often isn't the case so I suppose those are my faves at the Mo is would be provilo if I go back to it skin leave and if I want to do something a bit more intensive the soft wave and hopefully the sculpture which I'm trying next week but otherwise I love just a good old hands-on facial massage buckle massage getting inside the mouth you know that painful kind of jaw release that's really sort of manually sculpting oh it's heaven I love it it's that good pain that I know is what I need oh I could just have a facial like that every week obviously I don't but that's probably my favorite sort of like hands-on treatment at all it's really funny because we spoke to Sarah

10:22Dr Sophie Shotter:Braddon and she was on the show and I was fortunate enough to have a treatment with Sarah and she was she did the buckle massage I don't know whether she'd call it that and I thought oh I'm gonna hate this like you I loved it it was the best part of the entire thing so I hear you on that in terms of skincare this is such a huge question but what are these specific products and brands that you will never be without we know that everyone's different so what works for you might not work for me or for Sophie but just generally speaking like could you give us a little checklist of who you're using what you're using you know what brands and products yeah Yeah, absolutely.

10:56I do try a lot. Obviously, you know, it's a perk of the job. But I also try not to overwhelm my skin and sort of product hot because I know that's a bit of a recipe for disaster with the barrier. And I have been burnt before by trying too many actives and, you know, having to really scale it back. And so I do love some basics that might not be the most exciting things out there, but they're really reliable. Like I absolutely love Doxanne Bunting's range, her flawless skincare range and I use the cleanser religiously and it's like a clear jelly that's also moisturizing but it doesn't foam and it sort of rinses off clear I just love that product and her tinted SPF it's called the Gossamer just is like a nice kind of two-in-one product if you don't want to wear um like a tinted moisturizer or a foundation it's kind of a one and done and that just sort of gives my face life I absolutely love that and then I'd say the sort of the brands that I'm in the lane of are like Green Rocks, Medicaid, Murad, Paula's Choice.

11:55You know, they're science-y, but they're not. They're also, you know, easy to choose and use. I feel like I just get on really well with those. Over my last pregnancy and postnatal kind of journey, I've been using Skin to Skin, and it's a brand that I've been working with a bit as well, which was a lovely partnership and they are purely curated for prenatal pregnancy and postnatal skin so hormonal skin essentially I mean and anyone can use it at different stages of their life but it's been really helpful in still being able to use actives but knowing that they were safe for me and the baby and calming any kind of inflammation and sort of breakouts and dryness that I'd experienced along the way.

12:43And I recently stopped breastfeeding and I have got a few breakouts. So I am reaching for that. I discovered a new product recently that I adore from a local to me facialist. She's based in Cheltenham. I live out in Gloucestershire in the Cotswolds. And she's called Jack Hale. And she's got this product called the Reset Nectar, which is like an overnight exfoliating mask, I suppose you'd call it. And it's packed with kind of lactic acid. I think it's got ceramides in it and maybe a pineapple enzyme. Oh, I just absolutely love it. I don't know what it is. It just clicks with my skin. I wake up a bit plumper and smoother and softer.

13:24And I think she calls it her kind of facial in a bottle. And I love it. I really, really recommend that. And it's such a sort of a small independent brand. So it's always nice to find, you know, I have the big names, the Murads and the Medicaid. It's also nice to find a sort of a small new discovery as well. And then, of course, SPF. I'm SPF obsessed. I'm sure you guys are. I love Mecca Cosmetics and Ultraviolet. Both Australian brands. And I've written before about how Australian sunscreen is incredible. And I just think they're really elegant formulas. Like they just feel like gorgeous kind of moisturizers or primers.

14:02You know, they don't feel like SPF. so they're probably my favorites in a nutshell and then I do like to use a couple of gadgets I use the zip halo and the microcurrent and nanocurrent device I use that a lot home although I literally broke it yesterday it won't turn on so I'm not using I won't be using anymore until I invest in a new one but I am obsessed with that and I do like to use a led mask I'd love to try the Nuance is that the one that you rate because I'm using the Foreo one at the moment but I've

14:35Dr Sophie Shotter:heard of things about Nuance yeah the Nuance Elite x600 is amazing it's got 600 just red and near infrared and the fit around the face the attention to detail and how the mask has been designed is amazing I can totally recommend it okay yeah I think I might try that one as well because I know that gadgets are only as good as the amount you're going to use them and that's part of the problem for most people not seeing results because they need to be used consistently and and I think I can you know I'm not going out and eating anymore I can just wear my uh my mask in bed while I'm sort of unwinding and you know I can commit to it so I think it's probably worth me investing in yeah totally I think it's a great one yeah Bridget you have beautiful hair so I want to get on to that next what do you use I know you've seen Tom Smith as do I but is there anyone else you see and just share with us how you get it looking so great well thank you so much yes I see Tom and love Tom and I know he's been on the podcast I enjoyed that episode he's um he's fascinating he knows so much about hair and he's taught me so much about hair care you know as much as styling which I think has been really valuable for me over the last few years because I've been on a bit of a hair loss hair growth journey with him and he got me on to callus him the stem cell hair growth serum and I really do think that sort of minimized my postpartum shedding this time compared to the last time I had it when I lost like half my head of hair it felt like it hasn't been so severe this time and the regrowth has been much sort of swifter so I'm at that phase at the moment where I've got baby hairs growing through so it's starting to get thicker around the roots but also it can be a little bit awkward with styling um I get those sort of bits pronging up at the top around the parting and the hairline so um he actually got me onto the rehab hair tamer which is like a little clear mascara for hair but it's not crusty and it doesn't sort of leave your hair flat and slicked it just lays the frizz down the sort of fluffy frizz at the top so and that's it's good for this kind of awful wet weather as well when you've just done a blow dry and then you go out and it's like oh straight away so um i really rate that that's called the rehab hair tamer and then other products that you'll always find in my routine the virtue healing oil i've never been a hair oil person because i've got quite fine hair it's that thing of fine but a lot of it you know that the hairdressers tell you but um so oil always made it greasy quite quickly and weighed it down.

17:16But this Virtue Healing Oil just conditions it, leaves it soft, leaves it more manageable, leaves it more agreeable to whatever styling I'm about to do. Tames some frizz, but doesn't leave any sort of residue or any weight. So I really have been using that for years and I wouldn't be without it. And I had it cut recently. So it's sort of, it's like a long barb I suppose which is the shortest I've had it in a long long time and I've been finding the k18 astrolift volumizing spray really useful and sort of giving it some body so it's not just lying flat and sad so those are probably my three three favorite things I do like I'm using Sam McKnight's cool girl shampoo and conditioner at the moment although my friend was joking the other day because we've just done a big house renovation and I did these really cool I think they're called pink and grey striped tiles in my shower and the Sam McKnight shampoo and conditioner is pink to match and my friends are joking that I only chose them because they match my tiles which is partly true but also they are really good products I can recommend and they're also volumizing and yeah I also sometimes go to Larry King his salons for blow drys and hirschstons both absolutely beautiful salons in london and just excellent experts that i always call upon for quotes and stuff so yeah i can definitely recommend hirschstons and larry

18:47Dr Sophie Shotter:king as well since we're talking about hair i will just say i was very lucky to be bought for christmas the dyson uh straight i don't know whether either of you two have that but um yeah I have it. Do you? Yeah, love it. So expensive though. So good job as a gift. And by the time, Bridget, your podcast goes out, another podcast will be live, which is we had Dr. Sharon Wong on, who is incredible. And she's got out a new range for hair loss and hair shedding called Dose. So which sounds very cool. So maybe you might want to look into that as well. And her episode, she's just terrific. We can't not talk about makeup.

19:25Dr Sophie Shotter:So to keep things, I guess, lean, Can you perhaps name check three or four products that you would never be without, preferably foundation? Because I love talking foundation. OK, let's go foundation first. So I am a big fan of the Sculpted by Amy complexion products. I don't know if you know the brand. She's an Irish makeup artist. And it's very accessible. You know, I'd say it's sort of mid-range. And her satin silk, I think it's called long wear foundation. it's more fuller coverage and long wear is probably the only foundation of that type that I have found that doesn't settle into lines and I thought I couldn't wear full coverage anymore in my 40s because it just aged me and I had to go sheerer even though I probably had more pigmentation and stuff I wanted to cover up so it was that sort of like awkward feeling of like not being able to use what I needed until I found that and it gives beautiful coverage but it's just really flexible and doesn't sit in lines at all and it's got this sort of like velvety finish that does last and just doesn't look fake you know you still look like you've got real skin showing through but polished should we say I absolutely love it and I think all of her complexion products are incredible I am dying to try her new it's probably not even new anymore but I think it launched when I was on mat leave and I totally missed the boat on getting my hands on it but the cushion foundation I need to order because people are like it's 10 out of 10 you know no complaints on that so I'm going to try that one next so yeah that's probably my foundation recommendations and then I'm definitely a big brown smoky eye person I love brown dark eye makeup especially so I kind of discovered it more since I went brunette because I used to be blonde and I really feel like it sort of helps my eyes sort of stand out.

21:20And one of my favourite products for that is the Estee Lauder Double Wear Eyeliner in Cocoa and it's waterproof. So I apply it to the upper waterline, so the upper inner eyelid and really sort of nestle it in between the lashes but on the inside. and it just gives i mean i can't even call it sort of tight lining because that's more technical i just sort of like wiggle it around up inside underneath my lashes and it gives that definition that you kind of lose your lash line definition that you sort of lose with age and it sort of gives you that like oh you've made an effort and done some makeup look without actually showing as an eyeliner you can sort of smudge it out a little bit towards the end and it can give you like a really sort of barely there smudgy flick but I don't actually sort of apply it to the lid I just apply it inside it makes a difference and the fact that it's waterproof you don't get that transfer to the lower water line the lower lash line which I just feel like I get with every other eyeliner and it looks like I've put eyeliner on the bottom on purpose when actually I wasn't trying to do that I was trying to go for a really sort of subtle look so I absolutely love that and then I kind of layer on if I want to look more done I'll layer on a brown liquid liner on top and some sort of the Victoria Beckham I also think it might be the shade Coco I'm having a blank I don't know sorry but her brown eyeliner I'll sort of smudge that onto the bottom it is called Coco and it's divine isn't it it's beautiful so they're both called Coco so well that's easy at least that's easy to remember so yeah and if I and then I'll just pile on the mascara but the Estee Lauder one is probably my sort of must-have but also yeah the VB one is fabulous and then in terms of lips I very much love that your lips but better look which I feel like I can only really achieve with the Charlotte Tilbury Pillow Talk lip liner the original shade and I tend to sort of use that slightly over lining the lips again my lip liner has eroded with age so I sort of always sort of sketch that back in and then just use lip balm or something on top to sort of soften it and give that like no lip lip look if you know what I mean I also love talking fragrance I love fragrance what's your signature scent or do you have more than one I'd say my signature is La Labeau Another 13 and um really yeah love it yeah musky woody salty sexy it's the one I always go back to I mean I've got so many perfumes and I so rarely actually wear them I think it's a funny thing I'm quite affected by my hormones and scent and so I couldn't tolerate it when I was pregnant and And then when I had my baby, I felt like because I was always holding him so close, I didn't really want him to sort of be inhaling.

24:33I just didn't wear it for quite a while. And I just often I'll smell a fragrance and love it, but love it for my husband or love it for someone else. And I want to smell it on someone else and not on me. And I'll wear it on me and it won't just it just won't have the same effect. I don't know if that's quite a typical thing. and maybe I should write about it. But I sort of often would buy so many fragrances or bring them back for samples, for stories I was writing and they'd end up in my husband's growing scent wardrobe. And I just really appreciate them on him and not on me. But I think I've probably got quite, I don't know if I have a strong fragrance personality, it's probably quite contradictory because I love those sort of subtle minimalist scents like Another 13.

25:21And then I also love those like bold headliners like Baccarat Rouge so I don't know what that says about me but yeah.

25:28Dr Sophie Shotter:I think you should write about it because what you were saying about wearing fragrance that you want to smell on other people makes sense and also this idea around I went through a phase in my 30s of loving Gucci Rush but my husband now ex-husband at the time loved Gucci Envy so I would wear Envy for him as opposed to Rush for me so it's quite interesting as well. In terms of wellness, what are the practices that you've built into your daily life? As Sophie said, you're juggling freelance life with family, three children, goodness me, and this is never easy. I know I've got three kids as well.

26:01Dr Sophie Shotter:So we're always curious around the habits that people actually stick to or any non-negotiables. Are we talking exercise and movement or maybe anything slightly more ambitious, biohacky stuff? Yeah, a real mix, I would say. It's got to be practical due to my lifestyle so it's not necessarily as adventurous as I would like it to be I have non-negotiables which are like Pilates I do at home I follow a fluid form at home it's an Australian Pilates platform and I just get on with it really well there are Pilates classes stretch classes strength classes with weights and stuff and so that just sort of slots into my everyday life when every day is different for me and I just find a window to sort of slot that in as and when I can and walking I find being out in nature like so therapeutic if ever I'm feeling anxious or off just getting outside and having a walk and looking at green and breathing the air it just grounds me and makes all the difference and it's free you know and in the spring and summer I really like to if I can get daylight into my eyes first thing in the morning, go and sort of look at flowers in my garden and, you know, just sort of feel grateful for the world around me.

27:20And, you know, I might take the little one outside while I'm having my coffee and just take some deep breaths, breathe some fresh air and get the light in my eyes. And it can literally be as simple as that for me. Diet is a big one as well. But again, I'm very balanced. You know, I'm not strict at all, but I try to sort of add things in as opposed to take things out. So I'm always trying to get fermented foods in, sauerkraut, kimchi, kombucha, you know, the kefir and putting powders in smoothies or bone broths in soup or extra herbs or seeds like sprinkling on top of my salads or just to try and like pack in different fibres, nutrients, proteins as and where I can.

28:01I worked with the wonderful rose ferguson who i mentioned earlier as i love to follow from a wellness perspective and i worked with her just before i turned 40 a couple of years ago and we really looked at my kind of morning routine and she helped me sort of set up a sort of a practical morning routine where i got up like half an hour before the kids what this has changed because i had a baby and so this has gone out the window a bit but the idea is try and get up before the kids and do 20 minutes. So it's like 20 minutes Pilates or 15 minutes Pilates, 10 minutes meditation with breath work, and then maybe like quick journaling if I can, you know, and then I'm sort of done for the morning.

28:44And it did make a huge difference. And one of the things she said to me, I kind of nailed that routine and I was feeling really good. And then she said, I'd love you to sort of build in reading for 20 minutes a day. And I was just like, I would love that. I just don't have the time. But I sort of force myself to do it. And the difference it made, again, it's another thing that's free. And no one thinks about reading as like a wellness practice. You know what I mean? But I'm not one of those people who can sit still. I find it really hard to relax. So it does force me to sit and think and be quiet and concentrate, you know, that's not work.

29:22And good for brain health too. totally and now I've got an aura ring I didn't have an aura ring at the time and I do find my HRV balance is not very good and neither is my sleep score but I can blame the little one for that but my HRV I feel like when I do the sort of force myself to sort of do the the reading before bed I've noticed my HRV scores improved and I don't know if that is you know a direct kind of correlation or not that I think there's something in it for me and it's really simple so I'm happy to sort of incorporate anything that's simple that you're not investing in but that said I would quite like to try a vagus nerve stimulator invest in some tech around that because I feel like that could sort of help me as well but yeah it's all quite simple at the moment.

30:09Dr Sophie Shotter:I can definitely recommend the vagus nerve stimulators as well many of them are really good. Well do you have a thing for it? What a Neurosim I think is great for, when I started using that, I, and I tracked it with my HRV, I had between double and tripling of my HRV within a month of using it. Okay. I do need one then. Yeah. It made a big difference. Wow. Okay. So yeah, I'm a, I'm an advocate for sure. What about supplements? What's in your cabinet? And feel free to, again, name check any brands. Although, again, I do want to remind listeners that supplements should always be strategic and personalised.

30:48Dr Sophie Shotter:So only take what your body needs. And again, as Zoe's Sarah Berry told us, you can't out-supplement a crap diet. But anyway, go on, Bridget. What's about supplements? I love that. Yes, I am quite strategic and personalised around it. Like when I was working with Rosemary, she did put me on a kind of a protocol. and one of the things that made a massive difference to me I was having really bad joint pains in my hands and I was kind of worried about inflammation and potential and arthritis and she got me on glycosamine quite a high dose at first and then we went down and it completely sorted it out and it was quite you know it was a very sort of physical thing I felt that had changed and I felt like that was in was testament to the supplement I was taking specifically there was nothing else I changed.

31:36But I'm not taking that anymore because I don't feel the need. But I also had some genetic testing a while ago and it identified that I personally would really benefit from amigas and B vitamins. So I take them religiously. I also take vitamin D because I know I think so many people can benefit from it, especially at this time of year. And then I like those extra things like collagen powders. And I remember attending a launch which where you spoke, it was ages ago now, it was for Absolute Collagen, I think. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you talked about, you know, only investing in one sort of, you know, with peer reviewed studies and sort of those that have got the gold star of data to kind of back them up.

32:22And so I really do trust in collagen, but only, you know, specific brands. So I do love Absolute and Revive and there's a couple of others. Protein powders, I love just sort of adding them to smoothies. There's a top up. I like the Form one, the Welco one. I've just been sent some Elevate, which I'm going to try. And then electrolytes, which really helped me during breastfeeding. The Ocean one, which you just add to water. It's like a pump or two in your water. And I like Arta's Cellular Hydration, which actually tastes really good for an electrolyte. It's not salty. I think it's more kind of potassium and magnesium heavy as opposed to sort of salts.

33:00So they're probably my top supplement picks.

33:04Dr Sophie Shotter:I love that list. Thank you so much. I'm going to be looking into the one that you mentioned about achy joints because I have that a little bit. And like you, I have paranoia that I'm going to have early onset arthritis and just get it all in my head. Anyway, more broadly, what about alternative or complementary therapies or therapists I'm talking about here? Do you do anything slightly woo-ish? Because we are all ears. If so, if anyone, who do you see in terms of alternative or complementary practitioners? I've tried lots of things, acupuncture, reflexology, cranial, you know, and loved them.

33:36But there's nothing I've really stuck with. But there is there's one I see what would probably be woo-woo that I do every four or six weeks. I go to a monthly women's circle. I don't know if you're familiar with women's circles, but they are basically like a gathering of women. And it's like a safe space to share and for emotional release, to share and sort of support each other. And my friend puts it on and she's a yoga teacher, local to us, my friend Phoebe. And we do a cacao ceremony. So we have ceremonial grade cacao, from South America. And we thank the cacao gods and the indigenous people who grow it.