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Podcast Episode Notes: Better Offline - "How Managers Are Breaking The Internet"
Podcast Overview Title: Better Offline Description: A show exploring the tech industry’s influence on society, scrutinizing the growth-at-all-costs mentality among tech elites. Hosted by Ed Zitron, it utilizes narrative storytelling, interviews, and panel discussions to dissect the manipulation and exploitation within the tech sector.
Episode Summary Title: How Managers Are Breaking The Internet Description: This episode discusses how the growth-centric mindset of management consultants has transformed the internet into a harmful social experiment, leading major tech companies like Google and Meta to neglect their responsibilities toward users and quality control.
Key Themes and Arguments
- Managerial Disconnect: The episode argues that the modern internet has been taken over by managers who lack real engagement with the products they oversee, leading to a decline in quality and user experience.
- Profit Over Responsibility: Companies like Meta and Google prioritize ad revenue at the expense of user safety and satisfaction.
- Decay of Search Quality: A study indicates that the quality of Google search results has deteriorated significantly due to incentivized SEO practices that prioritize monetization over informative content.
Key Statistics
- Instagram's Revenue: In 2021, Instagram generated $32.4 billion in ad revenue, surpassing YouTube's $28.8 billion in the same year.
- Meta's Revenue Structure: 96% of Meta’s fourth-quarter 2023 revenue ($40.1 billion) came from advertising, indicating a heavy reliance on ad income.
- User Engagement: 83% of American adults use YouTube, 68% use Facebook, and 47% use Instagram, with all platforms having over 2 billion global users.
Detailed Discussion Points The "Rot Economy"
- Definition: The term describes a profit-driven mindset that prioritizes growth regardless of consequences, leading to harmful practices in the tech industry.
- Impact on Users: This model results in platforms designed to maximize user interruptions and engagement, rather than to enhance user experience.
The Decline of Content Quality
- SEO and Affiliate Marketing: The episode highlights the detrimental effects of SEO practices, where sites prioritize clicks over quality, filling search results with low-quality, monetized content.
- Google’s Role: Criticism is directed at Google for enabling and encouraging SEO practices that diminish the quality of search results while profiting from advertisement placements.
Example of Poor Practices
- Advertising Scams: The episode references alarming statistics regarding scam advertisements on platforms like Facebook Marketplace, revealing systemic issues in how these networks handle advertising and user safety.
- User Experience on Major Platforms: Personal anecdotes illustrate how platforms now prioritize ads over meaningful content, resulting in a frustrating user experience.
The Future Outlook
- Managerial Influence: The rise of the managerial class in tech has led to a focus on short-term profits over long-term innovation and quality, raising concerns about the sustainability of the current internet ecosystem.
- Call to Action: The episode emphasizes the need for accountability and a reevaluation of how tech companies prioritize user welfare in their business models.
Conclusion Ed Zitron concludes the episode with an urgent call for listeners to recognize the detrimental trends in the tech industry and to advocate for a more responsible approach to technology and content management. The episode sets the stage for further discussions in subsequent parts of the series, particularly focusing on specific figures in the industry who embody these managerial failures.
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- Email: easy@betteroffline.com
- Website: [Better Offline](https://betteroffline.com)
- Music by: Matt Ossowski - [mattosowski.com](http://mattosowski.com)
Note: The episode underscores the critical state of the internet shaped by profit-driven motives that ultimately compromise user safety and content quality.
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Transcript
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2:14This episode is the first of a three-part series about how the tech industry has been snatched from the hands of people who actually build things using software and hardware by a bunch of managers that have little or no interaction with the products they're actually profiting from. These same managers also don't appear to do much work. And today, I'm going to walk you through exactly how bad things have gotten as a result. In early April, Meta revealed, in a motion trying to dismiss an FTC anti-monopoly lawsuit, that Instagram made an astonishing$32.4 billion in advertising revenue in 2021. That figure becomes even more shocking when you consider Google's YouTube only made$28.8 billion during the same period.
2:59I'd argue YouTube is significantly more useful. Anyway, Bloomberg reports that Instagram made almost 30 % of Meta's entire revenue in the early part of 2022. 96 % of Meta's$40.1 billion fourth quarter 2023 revenue came from advertising, and it's made over$100 billion a year since 2021, a trend that's likely to continue based on the fact that the only thing these platforms care about is juicing as much revenue from these apps. Google made$86.3 billion in the fourth quarter of 2023, with$48 billion of that coming from Google Search and its related advertising, up 13 % from the previous quarter. According to Pew Research, in America, 83 % of adults use YouTube, 68 % of them use Facebook, and 47 % of them use Instagram.
3:54Each platform boasts over 2 billion users, and over the last three years, Meta and Google have made over a half trillion dollars in revenue from these platforms. I now want you to go to Facebook. I want you to scroll down, and I want you to see how quickly you hit an advertisement or a sponsored content thing. In my case, after a single post from a friend, I was immediately hit with a suggestion for me to join a group for adult Bluey fans. I do not watch Bluey. I have not watched Bluey. This was then followed by a post from a friend, followed by another ad, followed by two posts from a friend, followed by a suggestion to join a group called Aviation Meme Lords, followed by another ad.
4:40On Instagram, I saw one post from a person I followed, followed by an ad for a game, followed by a suggested video, followed by something from someone I followed, followed by a suggested video, followed by an ad, followed by a person I followed posting something, and then another suggested piece of content. The first ad when I clicked my stories, a totally different and even more confusing part of Instagram that's mostly just a rip-off of Snapchat, I got an ad for a game using footage that isn't actually in the game itself, an outright bait-and-switch employed by mobile game developers like those who make Ebony that make millions of dollars off of these horrifying, annoying, microtransaction-heavy games.
5:23When I went to YouTube, my first result was for an 11-minute-long Taiwanese news video of some sort. the next one was a video that appeared to be in chinese i don't speak these languages that's my fault not theirs but it is kind of youtube's fault for trying to show them to me in fact when i went around and i scrolled through it was all in chinese so i went to google and i typed why are my youtube videos in chinese the first result was a reddit post where several users were for whatever reason being served random videos in chinese there was actually no conclusion to this i still do not know why this happened.
5:59I can't read. I can only speak and read in English, and I can barely do that. I'm very sorry. Anyways, Google, though, is especially annoying because while researching the beginning of this podcast, it took me about half an hour to get the basics for the beginning. Because every time I Googled something like, say, what percentage of web traffic goes to Google, which I really was not able to find, I kept being given these so-called authoritative sources like Forbes Advisor, which, to be clear, is not Forbes magazine. It is an affiliate marketing arm of Forbes. It's very deceptive. The sources inside the Forbes Advisor piece I found ranged from things from Blogging Wizard to a literal list of website names with no links.
6:43I'm talking about just a plain text list. The state of Google is very worrying. A year-long study from Leipzig University published last year and reported on by Jason Kogler of 404 Media found that the quality of Google's search results has decayed at a remarkable rate. The incentives of content creators to search engine optimize their content based on standards published by Google has filled search full of crap, with higher-ranked pages that are on average more optimized, more monetized with affiliate marketing, and featuring predominantly lower-quality text. To make matters worse, the researchers found that only a small portion of product reviews on the web use affiliate marketing, but the majority of search results raised by Google do.
7:29If you're unfamiliar with affiliate marketing, it's when outlets run pieces about something, say top 10 speakers or top 10 laptops, and they have a bunch of links to like Amazon or Walmart or Best Buy, and they get a little bit of cash from the platform whenever someone clicks that and buys something, doesn't even have to be the thing that they were originally clicking on. This revenue model incentivizes sites to write lots of best-of articles that exist entirely to make you click things to make them the money. To be clear, this is actually a perfectly normal business model in the right hands.
8:02The Wirecutter has done a great job of monetizing affiliate marketing while providing very thorough recommendations. The Verge has too. There are decent people doing this. The majority of them are not decent, though, just so we're abundantly clear. To quote the study, Search engine optimization is a constant battle. And we, in this case, the study people, see repeated patterns of review spam entering and leaving the results as search engines and SEO engineers take turns adjusting their parameters. So in layman's terms, Google is in this battle with the people writing search engine optimized content.
8:39Now, to be clear, this content, the search optimized stuff, is done so with Google's approval. and there are people at Google who kind of nudge you in the right direction. They never really give full directions, but they're okay with search engine optimization. You'd think they wouldn't be. You'd think they'd want to fight for standards and quality, but no, they actively help these people game the system. So what Google will do is they will update Google, and then these people will change their means to beat Google, and then Google will maybe update again. And that's kind to the problem. You see, the Leipzig University researchers refer to tweets to these algorithms to fight spam as only really having a temporarily positive effect, and that search engines always seem to lose the cat-and-mouse game that is SEO spam.
9:26Now, in March 2024, Google announced that it was making changes to its algorithm that would reduce spam and AI-generated content by 40%, and very specifically said it would raise human-authored content to the top of Google. everyone in the press was gleeful about this they're saying how good it was and that google was finally doing something it's been a month nothing's happened things still suck scammy outlets called things like tech gate and daily good morning cashmere wholesale steel articles from places like tech crunch and coin telegraph and at times these stolen articles will rank above or in place of the original articles depriving journalists and publishers of traffic and revenue it's insane.
10:11I briefly sparred with Danny Sullivan, who is the search liaison for Google about this. And TechGate has now disappeared as of doing this. Daily Good Morning Kashmir has them. And indeed, there are multiple journalists I know that have said that their articles are regularly outpaced by these spam shops. And seemingly every time I talk to anyone on the Google side about this, they say, I don't know what to do about it. Danny's a good bloke. Danny used to run search engine land, I believe. And yet he's just part of the machine now. And it sucks. Danny's a good bloke. I want to like Danny. But mate, Danny, if you're going to be the search liaison, it's time to liaise with the search engine.
10:51It's time to promote the journalists. Saying, oh, mate, we don't know how to fix the machine is not a bloody excuse. Google, a company worth around$2 trillion, is either unable or unwilling to fix the problem. them. But I think the truth might be just a little simpler. There's just no incentive for it to make things better, as Google search remains one of the most profitable businesses in the damn world. In episode two, by the way, I'm going to tell you the people responsible. And they're led by a fellow called Prabhakar Raghavan. You're going to hear that name a lot in the next episode. I'm not going to say it another time.
11:29I've been thinking and saying it a lot, though. Anyway, this is the state of the modern internet. Ultra profitable platforms outright abdicating any responsibility toward the customer or even the wider digital ecosystem. They're not offering a service or a portal or an app or a useful thing, but they're finding as many ways to interrupt you, the user, to push you into doing something or seeing something that's profitable for them. And yes, I realize I am describing modern business, but if you look at Facebook or Instagram right now, Can you really tell me that's a service? Can you really tell me you are getting to see your friends and family on Instagram or Facebook?
12:10No. The whole thing's a mess. A huge, big, ultra-profitable mess. The greatest lie in tech is that Facebook and Instagram are for catching up with your friends. Because that's not what they do, and it's not what they've done for years. These platforms are now pathways for this nebulous concept of content discovery. which really means it's just a barely personalized entertainment network that occasionally drizzles or dribbles things you choose to see on top of crappy sponsored content ads and groups that are part of a relational database that has your name on it on some level it's kind of hard to say you even use these apps anymore the term use suggests the level of industry and user control that meta has spent over half a decade destroying and they've turned instagram and facebook into tubes to funnel human beings in front of those who either pay for the privilege of visibility or have found ways to trick Facebook's algorithms into showing you their crap.
13:09And it's all the direct result of what I call the rot economy, a growth-at-all-cost mindset built off the back of immovable monopolies, where tech companies profitably punish you as a means of showing the markets eternal growth. In practice, this means turning these platforms into something that offers you a service, into something that drives engagement, which in Facebook and Instagram's case means finding the maximum amount of times they can interrupt you before you close the app entirely. In Google's case, it means making changes to search that made advertisements and sponsored links kind of impossible to tell the difference between for most people, and making it so that users had to make more queries on Google.
13:52Now, I sound paranoid when I say that. I realized the idea that Google would have a metric that said, we need people to search for more stuff on Google. I am quoting Google saying this, emails from the antitrust lawsuit between them and the Department of Justice. Episode two, I'm going to go into it. Don't you worry. And really, it is kind of the government's fault here. They've taken this optimistic, respectful, and trustworthy approach to tech. They've said, well, tech is providing something for free, aren't they? So we really can't be too much of a bastard to them. And the result is, we've just got this internet riddled with decay and pain.
14:31It's an internet that incentivizes mining human beings like veins of ore. And in these next few episodes, I'm going to walk you through how big tech turned the internet into a multi-trillion dollar social experiment. I'm going to name the bastards responsible.
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16:59Underpinning these profitable torture machines is an online advertisement industry built off the back of fucking advertisers and users alike. In the mid-2010s, Facebook mistakenly told online publishers that their videos were receiving more engagement than they actually did, leading to multiple publishers pivoting to video, a disastrous industry movement that cost hundreds of reporters their jobs and led to a massive class action suit against Meta. Media companies based on Facebook's lies radically changed their operations, with MTV News cutting its entire writing team and shifting to short-form video in July 2017.
17:34Vocative did the same. The following month, Vice Media cut roughly 60 editorial roles and expanded its video production capabilities in response to this so-called growth. Mike, a much smaller company than MTV News or Vice Media, but quite beloved at the time, slashed 10 roles and shifted the rest of its output to video, going all in on a bet that, as you can guess, failed catastrophically, with the company eventually being sold off to Bustle Digital Group for a pittance. Those video roles were of course cut or vastly reduced when it was obvious that there really wasn't any engagement on these things.
18:09I have a whole episode on this. Please go back and listen to it. Meta is also currently the subject of a class action suit led by Metroplex Communications, which claimed that Meta's inflated metrics lured advertisers away from competing platforms, something that has been sued for before. When all of your incentives are aligned around bigger and more and growth, you'll take just about anybody's money. In Meta's case, this means getting advertisers who compare the COVID-19 vaccine to the Holocaust or quack doctors with phony cancer treatments, scammers selling counterfeit phishing equipment, scammers offering fake discounts for puzzles, and of course, cryptocurrency cons.
18:50An investigation from late last year found that a third of advertisements on Facebook Marketplace in the UK were scams. And earlier in the year, UK financial services authorities said it had banned more than 10 ,000 illegal investment ads across Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, and TikTok in 2022 alone, a 1500 % increase over the past year. And as these platforms begin to decay, things only get worse for the user. Elon Musk's acquisition of Twitter and his obvious outright hostility towards blue chip advertisers, and also his anti-Semitic posts, just there's a lot of bad stuff with Elon. They've turned Twitter into kind of the digital equivalent of downtown Vegas.
19:31Seemingly every post is replied to by a bot offering nudes in bio, or pussy in bio, or something in bio, or at the moment, quite literally just a picture of a fully nude woman. Which is pretty funny, until you realize that according to John Herman at New York Magazine, these bots are a front for a series of very big, nasty online dating scams that lose people tens of thousands of dollars. Elon Musk choosing to change the blue checkmark from something that was given by Twitter to say that you were the real person into a thing that you buy for$8 has allowed cryptocurrency scammers, according to Protos, to make millions by tricking users into connecting their wallets to fund drain their entire thing.
20:15It's somewhat technical, but you just click these websites and you say, yeah, sure, I'll connect my wallet. Then they take all of your money. And it seems like they're even buying ads on the platform to do so using stolen credit cards. Musk's desperation for ad revenue has even led Twitter to start pushing ads that don't actually say they're ads, leading to an advertising watchdog called Check My Ads to file a formal complaint with the FTC demanding that it investigates Twitter and enforces its truth in advertising standards. Also, right now on Twitter, there is something called the Creator Program, and if you have Twitter Blue, that's right, you have to pay them to get paid.
20:52You can make a little money off of advertising when other Twitter blue people reply. The significance of this is right now Twitter is posting tons of unlabeled ads for Mr. Beast videos so that Elon Musk can give money to Mr. Beast so that Mr. Beast will repost things from YouTube, allowing Elon Musk to pay him money. It's a very confusing thing. And Twitter's really bad. I won't call it X. I think X is a stupid name. It's terrible to search for. It sucks. The whole site kind of sucks. I'm on it until the end. It's like the Titanic. I can see the iceberg coming. But nevertheless, it's in a bad way.
21:33Yet it's foolish to act as if the sorry state of Twitter is really that different to the rest of the web. Instagram is flooded with porno bots. It has been for years. And what they do is they engage with regular posts enough times through likes and replies as a means of pretending they're real so that they can avoid Meta's flimsy automated content moderation. And that, by the way, is only quasi-automated. Meta also underpays, horribly underpays, I should add. People in other countries like Kenya, they make as little as$2.20 an hour to view what Wired referred to as the most hideous content on the internet.
22:12Because that's what's important to know. Meta is doing something. They're stopping you from seeing literal beheadings and child abuse and such. And they're doing that by paying basically prison labor rates in other countries. This is also something that OpenAI and AI companies do with training data. It's a disgusting practice. They should all be in a lot of trouble for this, and they never will be because no one ever holds them accountable. Much like every major tech platform, Meta is just half-arsing its approach to moderation. And they're committing human rights violations to do so, so that they can spend the smallest amount of money possible to stop the things it needs to stop you seeing.
22:49They need to make sure you don't see someone being stabbed to death on Facebook. They don't really need to stop pornography or scams. They should need to. There should be a government body that stops them, but there isn't, so they don't. As you'd expect, these standards have led to Facebook being flooded with generative AI content, spam. And a study came out of Stanford and Georgetown that revealed that Facebook's algorithm is now boosting spam content riddled with misinformation, and they're sending hundreds of millions of impressions to pages that direct people to WordPress sites crammed full of spammy and scammy ads.
23:24It's insane. It's actually really crazy. When you really look into this, you can see that the web is falling apart in front of us. And yet the most obvious sign of this decay is just visiting a website on your telephone. Go to IGN.com. A lot of people work at IGN. I feel bad for saying this, but they have over 300 million views. And you go on there and you're immediately hit with two giant ads, one that fills the top 30 page and auto-playing videos. And this happens on a lot of sites. ESPN, also another third for this. It's so weird. When I went on there earlier, I was hit with two giant ads that took up most of my screen.
24:03And on opening a story about the new Fallout TV show, which is very good, I'll give them that, it then covered the top quarter of my screen with another or a playing ad it's so weird it's so weird when you see this happening i feel like more people should be talking about this this feel it's like if the road was just full of used condoms it's like if there was trash everywhere this is the web now anyway anyway reach plc they're a publicly traded multi-million dollar business that dominates local journalism in the uk and they hold basically monopolies in several regions and also own three newspapers.
24:38Very depressing. They're notorious for this kind of aggressive approach to monetization. Their websites have been described as an over-monetized mess and impossible to navigate with a poor digital experience named as a partial contributor to the declining financial fortunes of one of the more loathsome companies in the world. If you open a local UK news website, especially one owned by Reach, with just Safari on your phone, for example, you'll be met with an endless deluge of page covering ads that appear in the middle of articles as you're scrolling and other ads that redirect you to an external website without any warning, all while you're on the page trying to read the thing that you went to the website for.
25:20Even the giants of journalism haven't resisted the temptation to fuck their users over. CNN, one of the most influential news publications in the world, by hundreds of millions of people. They host their own journalism and they splice in spammy content from something called a chum box company. And these companies make hundreds of millions of dollars driving clicks to everything from just scams to straight up disinformation. And you'll find them on CNN. You find them on NBC. You find them in tons of major media outlets. And all of them are these insane stories like two steps to tell when a slot is close to hitting the jackpot or the best hearing aid.
26:00It's really strange to see this in between Pulitzer Prize winning journalists and international conflicts. These chum box companies, they're ubiquitous because they pay well. And it makes them super attractive to cash-strapped media entities because you can just plug this bollocks in and you just get money, even if it makes your product suck. And they're awful. They're super horrible. They're ruining the web and they keep making more money. In 2018, the late great podcast Reply All, which by the way, was killed by the rot economy. Fuck you, Spotify. Anyway, Reply All had an episode that centered around a widower whose wife's death had been hijacked by one of these chumbox advertisers to push content that, using stolen family photos, implied she had been unfaithful to him.
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26:49The title of the episode, an ad for the worst day of your life, was fitting. And it was only until a massively popular podcast intervene that any of these networks ban the advert. These networks, outbrained, tabooler, evil companies run by evil people, they're harmful. They're harmful to the internet, they're harmful to users, and they're harmful to the news brands that host them. If I was working for a major news company, I'd be absolutely humiliated to see my work put next to this nonsense, this celebrity bullshit, these diet scams, these get-rich-quick schemes. Tommy Chong's fucking CBD chews.
27:26I apologize for swearing, but it's just so frustrating. Are these outlets so unprofitable that they just have to sell out like this? I refuse to believe that. I just, I just refuse.
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29:18The modern internet was built on a social contract that said that big tech gave us services for free in exchange for some sort of nebulous concept of data, which largely took the form of content and connections we made between people and the things that we posted as a result. This social contract was both assumed and extremely easy to enter into because all of these sites were free, which meant that there was really never any attempt to regulate the terms of it. There are terms and conditions, but that's really it. And what you're going to do, you're going to barter with meta? And there were never conditions set for what can't be done to a user, what can be done with their data.
29:58Look at Cambridge Analytica. Look at all of the different ways that Facebook ads hurt people. None of that matters to them, because it doesn't have to. They don't care. There's nobody stopping them. The FTC won't stop them. Lawyers won't stop them. It's very depressing when you say it out loud. Anyway, as a result, these platforms were and are a form of bait-and-switch, which underpins Cory Doctorow's very good but annoying to say in shittification theory, where platforms have built these massive monopolies based on offering good, useful services, and then turn them into something terrible, but very profitable.
30:38But as I've noted before, insurification kind of misses one point. These companies are not doing this out of a lack of profitability or some sort of failure in their business model. They're doing so because the internet has become something between a social experiment and a mining operation. They're doing it because they can. Nobody's stopping them. and Dr. Rowe has upgraded his theory to the inshittacy now and he has brought in some of these things. I think I'm just tired of people responding to the raw economy and saying inshittification. Cory rocks. I'm gonna have him on the podcast. Jesus.
31:10But seriously though, it's not because they're suddenly left hat in hand. They've just kept turning the screw because who's gonna stop them? What are you gonna do? Not use Google? Not use Facebook? Not use Instagram? Anyway, Charlie Warzel, who I've given a lot of shit, Charlie did a good thing there, he framed this well in a recent piece in The Atlantic, published in the middle of April, that described the overall techscape as a form of hostage negotiation. Interactions with tech companies are no longer a purchase or a two-way contract, but kind of a trade of information long after you've purchased the product itself.
31:46Every interaction with tech now requires us to share our email address or a phone number, to accept a kind of subtle tracking. Don't worry, it's anonymous. Or of course, to share your personal information that will probably be leaked. It's trite at this point to say that human beings themselves are the product, but it's kind of impossible to avoid saying when you look at the state of the internet now. Tech companies have found every imaginable way to monetize every imaginable thing we do, all based on the idea that they're providing us with something in return. And when you really think about it, they haven't really provided a service at all.
32:23Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Google, they're platforms that only have as much utility as the content they host, which is created by billions of mostly unsupported and unpaid users. This kind of shitty trade-off was meant to be something that was rewarded with these platforms creating and hosting this content in a way that was easier to find and use, and to help either the surface to a wider audience or quickly get it to people we cared about, all while making sure the conditions we created it under and posted it under were interesting and safe. Something that I think we can all agree is no longer the case.
32:58The state of the internet is now far simpler. The cost of using free platforms is a constant war, a war with the incentives and intentions of the platforms themselves. We're constantly negotiating with Instagram or Facebook to see content from people that we chose to follow, because these platforms are no longer built to show us things that we want to see. We no longer search Google, but barter with this seedy little search box to try and coax out a result that isn't either a search engine-optimized half-answer or an attempt to trick us into clicking an ad. Twitter, in its prime, succeeded by connecting real people to real things at a time when the internet actively manufactures our experience and interactions with others.
33:38Now Twitter is mostly ads and porno bots. Great stuff. But the core problem lies in the fact that these platforms don't really create anything, and their only value exists in making an internet of billions of people small enough to comprehend. Like seemingly every goddamn problem with capitalism, the internet has become dominated by forces that don't contribute to the product that actually enriches them. And as a result, they have no concept or interest in quality. They only care about more. And this makes them extremely poor arbiters of what good looks like. Inevitably, this leads to products that suck as they become more and more profitable because the machine they've built is a profit excavator dressed up as a goddamn service.
34:27I know I hate the whole, we're the product thing. I've always thought it was very cheesy, but we are literally the product. We are the content creator that makes Google money, while also the thing that makes Google money by searching Google is very annoying. Look, by allowing and encouraging search engine optimization, Google has handed matches to fucking arsonists and pointed them at the most flammable parts of the internet. The existence of SEO is inevitable. People are going to try and game any system, but Google should never have encouraged these people. They should have terrified them. They should have set clear standards about what to do and what not to do, and heavily punished those who failed to comply.
35:08Except doing so would mean less content on Google, because there'd be less articles that say things like, what time is the Super Bowl or best televisions to buy? Google actually would fully have the ability to make most of these problems go away. They should treat SEO people like scam artists, and they should run them out of town with pitchforks. Instead, they pat him on the arse and they say, good job, buddy. I'd argue that the state of search makes Google and by extension executives like Sundar Pishayan, Google search lead Prabhakar Raghavan, some of the greatest villains in business history.
35:42While one can't forget about the damage done by Meta and Mark Zuckerberg's failure, outright failure, to maintain any kind of quality standards on Instagram and Facebook, allowing google search to decay so severely for any reason let alone one that involves profits is actively damaging to society and was an entirely intentional act perpetrated by people like ragavan the former head of google's ads division who took over search not long after his predecessor was burdened by the bullshit demands of the ads department led by ragavan himself and i'm going to get into that in episode two don't you worry it's not enough though for me to just say how bad the web has got it's not enough the web is too bad right now for me to just sit here and say oh it sucks it's so bad you all know that i'm i hope i've helped you find out a little bit more about it but this phenomenon it didn't come out of nowhere and it has a cause and that cause is the rise of managers and the managerial class in tech these arseholes have largely supplanted the voices of actual technologists coders engineers people who work in software and hardware, actual innovators, and replace them with this kind of zero-sum, McKinsey-esque loser.
36:57And all they care about is profit. All they care about is growth, sometimes growth that destroys profit. And they're actively hostile to workers and consumers and the actual products they're making. In the next two episodes, we're going to take a closer look at these managers and how they're destroying innovation. And we're going to start the tale of Prabhakar Raghavan, a man who has spent his entire life failing up, overseeing Yahoo during its period of terminal decline, jumping ship to Google in 2012. In 2019, Raghavan used his political influence to push out the head of search, a guy called Ben Gomes, a hero, a hero who fought to protect search from a man trying to turn it into a growth machine, even when it was still very profitable.
37:43That's what's really crazy. While far from a household name, Raghavan is emblematic of every single thing I've written and podcasted about. He personifies this horrifying decline and the short-term thinking that's destroying the products we use every day. He and people like him are destroying companies that we used to respect. And as I'll explain, Ragavan's influence times exactly with the deterioration of Google search as a product. After that, we're going to look at the managerial class more broadly and how some people, such as Instagram's Adam Masseri and, of course, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman, have been able to disguise their true intent and ineptitude through the clothing of innovation and disruption.
38:26It's a facade, one that doesn't withstand even the slightest bit of scrutiny. And I can't wait to tell you all about it.
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The growth-at-all-costs management consultant mindset has turned most of the modern internet into a painful and profitable social experiment - and in this episode, Ed Zitron walks you through how these disconnected, growth-hungry personalities have made Google and Meta abdicate any responsibility toward their users and products.
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