How Monopolies Are Making Tech Worse

4 Sep 2024 · 34 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: Better Offline - How Monopolies Are Making Tech Worse

Episode Overview In this episode of *Better Offline*, host Ed Zitron delves into the ramifications of monopolies in the tech industry, specifically focusing on a recent ruling by a federal judge that declared Google a monopoly in the search and online advertising sectors. Ed explores how these monopolies impact consumers and the broader tech landscape, ultimately arguing that they lead to poorer products and services due to a lack of competition.

Key Topics Discussed

  1. The Antitrust Ruling Against Google
  2. A federal judge ruled that Google maintains a monopoly over the search industry and text-based advertising.
  3. This ruling revealed the extent to which Google has paid other companies (like Apple and Samsung) to remain the default search engine, illustrating how it stifles competition.
  4. The ruling is significant in the context of the Sherman Act, which is designed to combat monopolistic practices.
  1. The Nature of Monopolies in Tech
  2. Ed argues that monopolies create a scenario where companies prioritize profit extraction over the quality of their products.
  3. Without competition, companies lack the incentive to innovate or improve their services, leading to stagnation and decay of product quality.
  4. Examples provided include:
  5. Ticketmaster: Dominates live event ticket sales, resulting in exploitative practices such as inflated prices.
  6. Internet Providers: Companies like Comcast and Charter can charge high prices for mediocre services due to a lack of competition.
  1. Impacts on Consumer Experience
  2. Monopolistic practices lead to customers receiving poor service and products, exemplified by the struggles surrounding internet service quality.
  3. The conversation includes how companies leverage their monopolies to manipulate advertising metrics, as seen with Meta (Facebook) and Google, leading to inflated advertising costs and poor transparency.
  1. The Cycle of Poor Quality and Increased Prices
  2. Ed highlights that monopolistic behaviors allow companies to maintain high pricing without fear of losing customers, leading to a downward spiral in service quality.
  3. The discussion notes that monopolies can also exacerbate economic issues, such as inflation, by allowing companies to raise prices collectively without real competition.
  1. Future of Google's Monopoly
  2. The episode speculates on the potential consequences of the antitrust ruling for Google and whether it can sustain its business model without its monopoly.
  3. Ed emphasizes that Google is not structured for competition and would likely struggle if forced to divest its advertising business.
  1. Cultural Issues Within Google
  2. The podcast discusses the cultural shift within Google, moving away from innovation and experimentation towards a more corporate, profit-driven mindset.
  3. There are concerns that this cultural shift has led to the decline of employee morale and creativity, affecting the company's ability to innovate.

Conclusion

  • Ed Zitron concludes that the current landscape of monopolistic tech players harms consumers and stifles innovation. He expresses a desire to see these companies held accountable and forced to compete fairly.

Key Takeaways

  • Monopolies are detrimental to consumer choice, service quality, and innovation in the tech industry.
  • The recent antitrust ruling against Google could have significant implications for its business model and the overall digital advertising landscape.
  • A robust competitive environment is essential for fostering better services and products in tech.

Links and Resources

  • For further information and links related to the episode, listeners are encouraged to check the show notes provided in the podcast description. The podcast also hosts a community on Reddit and Discord for ongoing discussions.

Host's Contact Information

  • Listeners can reach Ed Zitron via email at [ez@betteroffline.com](mailto:ez@betteroffline.com) or visit [betteroffline.com](http://betteroffline.com) for more resources and updates.

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4:04Better Offline Before we go any further, as a reminder, check out the show notes for links to back up everything I'm saying. I'm not creative enough to make this stuff up. it's real, I promise. Anyway, the start of August felt kind of surreal. For the first time since JetGPT launched in November 2022, there were signs that the markets were finally starting to wake up to the bullshit of generative AI, and kind of seeing that it wasn't making anyone money, really. You know, the very obvious thing that some of us have been saying for quite some time. Anyway, though, it was remarkable, but not as remarkable as what happened on August 5th, when a federal judge delivered his ruling in an antitrust case filed against Google by the US Department of Justice.

4:48In 300 pages of dense legal text, Judge Amit Mehta confirmed an excruciating detail that lengthened the breadth of what all of us kind of sort of knew, that Google has a monopoly in search and online general text advertising, and that's a specific term of art. For many reasons, this ruling was a humiliating one for Google, not least because it showed the sordid, nasty little details of how it's maintained its market dominance and actively impeded any chance of fair competition in the search market. Documents obtained through discovery revealed the incredible amounts of money that Google's been paying companies.

5:24They paid Samsung$8 billion over four years and Apple$20 billion in 2022 alone to remain the default search engine on their devices, as well as Mozilla that makes the Firefox browser where they pay about half a billion dollars a year. To be clear, this is one of the grislier pots. Mozilla is an organization I actually admire, and they do a lot of cool stuff technologically, but it also kind of revealed how dependent they are on Google's money to stay afloat. Anyway, Judge Mehta found that Google had violated the Sherman Act, a century-old antitrust legislation that, among other things, led to the breakup of Standard Oil in 1910, as well as the breakup of AT &T in 1982.

6:03This is a significant moment in Silicon Valley history, and it's an existential threat to Google. Well, Google's initial success came thanks to it being actually better than the alternatives. Anyone remember AltaVista? You heard of this? You seen this? Google's continued existence is largely thanks to various interconnected monopolies it's established, creating a chokehold on, well, search and, I'd argue, the web at large. Over half of Google's yearly revenue comes from Google Search. Over$175 billion are the$300 or so billion that Google makes every year. And it's hard to imagine that Google could sustain said revenue or its dominance without paying billions of dollars to starve the competition.

6:42And indeed, this ruling kind of proves that they can't. As I mentioned, the Sherman Act is roughly 130 years old. And since its creation, it's unwoven some of America's most intractable monopoly players, single-handedly ruining the days of oil company CEOs and rail barons alike. It's robust, powerful, and it's a really good piece of legislation, which in the decades since its creation has been augmented with new laws to cover the blind spots missed by the original authors. Problematically, the Reagan administration kind of detoothed it by refusing to actually enforce it. You heard a little of that from Matt Stolas' interview from last episode.

7:17But crucially, the Sherman Act has teeth. It contains provisions that allow judges to levy big fines, impose criminal penalties on CEOs or anyone else involved, and those penalties can be about a decade long. They can also order companies to perform specific actions like divesting a business unit to remedy the situation. It's good shit and it's exactly what we need. While I don't think that Sundar Peshai is going to prison, which would be very, very funny, mostly because hardly anyone ever actually gets prosecuted for violating the Sherman Act, I do think this ruling has the potential to kill Google.

7:50At least the current Google that we see today, this present form of this company that bankrolls its other entities using a crooked monopoly over the search market. And in this two-part series, I'm going to take a look at how Google created its monopoly, and how that monopoly allowed it to become fabulously rich. I'll also talk about what might happen next, which, for the most part, will involve a mixture of history lessons and a healthy dash of bullshit speculation. Ah, I'm kidding, it'll actually be good. But trust me, even the best-case scenario for Google here is fairly grim. you may also wonder why i've been going on about monopolies for weeks and i really want you to understand monopolies are a big part of why everything feels like it stopped working so many problems in the modern tech industry are a result of a lack of competition of monopolies and oligopolies that change the incentive of a company from selling you a service you a customer who likes the service and pays for it to extracting as much value from you as possible because you have nowhere else to go or leaving is difficult.

8:53Competition is deeply important. After all, if you're not worried about the competition, why would you worry about your customers leaving? The incentives of the monopolist are inherently degenerative. Monopolists are not concerned about building better products, no. They're concerned about squeezing their captive audience as much as possible. The documents I covered back in April in The Man Who Destroyed Google Search are a great example, showing how Prabhagar Raghavan, God I love saying his name, the former head of ads at Google, demanded an increase in queries, meaning more searches rather than better results, as a means of increasing the amount of time one would spend on Google, which in turn would allow Google to show you more ads.

9:34However you feel about capitalism, a better economy is one where actual, real competition between businesses exists, one based on their ability to meet customers' needs. This stuff feels very obvious, but it needs repeating. A company that fears the competition is one that will compete to win a customer's business and heart, and conversely, a company that has no real fear of losing customers because they've dominated the market with, say, a monopoly or set up a healthy cartel of friendly other bigger, quote, competitors where newcomers are effectively chased out. Yeah, they can make their products worse without fear that customers might do something annoying like choose another option.

10:13You see a lot of it outside of Tech 2. Ticketmaster and its associated properties have dominated live events to the point that they control both on-sale tickets and the resale market, leading to things like their horrifying platinum seats deal, where Ticketmaster reserves tickets so that it can sell them for a higher price to fans that couldn't buy them the normal way, which Ticketmaster also runs. And that's why the Department of Justice is suing them. And they sued them in May for their monopoly. I wish the executives at Ticketmaster nothing but the worst. Four companies control 80 % of US air travel after decades of acquisitions, allowing them to effectively charge whatever they want.

10:53And because there are so few of them, they'll pretty much keep their prices around the same amount. It's a fake competition and a fake competitive environment. And it's bad for customers and it's disgusting. Now, you may think, ah, I got really shitty internet speed and whenever I call customer service, they don't seem to pick up. And that's because most Americans have no real choice in internet providers, thanks to monopolies run by companies like Comcast, Charter, CenturyLink, and Cox, who can charge what they want, perform a fairly mediocre standard, and effectively abandon less profitable rural areas, discarding some to ultra-slow DSL internet that many of you probably have not used in decades.

11:31And one of my favourite ones are the real fucknuts, the scumbags over at Frontier, Frontier Communications, which is partly owned by a private equity firm called Cerebrus Capital Management, which owns part of Albertsons, a grocery store that's currently in the midst of a battle with the FTC over a larger chain called Kroger's trying to buy them, with the FTC correctly arguing that it would eliminate competition and allow one firm to control grocery prices. hey that reminds me of something you remember when inflation was increasing prices everywhere yeah if you read like a journalist who was writing actually it's it's nothing to do with the companies you're fucking wrong you were wrong at the time and you should not write anymore it's disgusting what actually happened was the increasingly dwindling amount of competition in many consumer goods companies allowed them to all raise their prices at once gouging customers in a way that should have had someone sent to jail, rather than make$19 million for CEOs that were bleeding Americans dry.

12:28It's also much, much easier for a tech company to establish a monopoly, because they often do so nestled in their own platforms, making the monopolies just a little bit harder to pull apart without a 300-page legal document. One can easily say, if you own all the grocery stores in an area, that means you can control the price of groceries. That one's a bit more obvious, but it's a little harder to point at the problem with the tech industry. Because said monopolies are pretty new and different, yet mostly come down to owning on some level both the customer and those selling to the customer. There are no alternatives.

13:04This is a fairly basic part of all commerce. One cannot have a lawyer represent both sides, and one ideally should not have the same agent represent both the buyer and the seller of a house, which does happen in some states, which is insane. And yet it's these conflicts of interest that the tech industry has made billions of dollars off of, and I'd argue that they can't operate without. Meta's monopoly over the advertising on both Instagram and Facebook, as well as its own black box algorithms, allow it to make the products that you use every day so much worse, just to show you more ads, and they can increase advertising prices whenever they want, something they've done multiple times without anybody really covering it.

13:43As a result, Meta is also the only source of truth for how successful your advertising is, to the point that it tricked the entire media industry into pivoting to video using phony numbers. Hundreds of people lost their jobs. Nothing happened to Meta. Meta, as with any digital advertising monopolist, can basically say whatever it wants to you, inflating stats where they need to as a means of getting more money out of you, which is why there is a$7 billion class action suit against the company for literally doing that. How has it taken this long to do anything? It drives me fucking in... Anyway.

14:15Again, it's about incentives. If Meta has no competition, Meta does not have to act honestly or give detailed metrics about ad performance. Because where else are you going to go? You're going to go to the other advertiser on Facebook? As Matt Stoller said in the last episode, as Meta isn't really losing business as their products decay, that seriously suggests they've got a monopoly over, well, the advertising on their own products. Now, I know some of you say I'm too easy on Apple, but don't worry, I'm righting the ship. Apple has, at least outside of Europe, where the European Commission has ruled the company must allow third-party app stores, the monopoly over the iOS and associated app stores, as well as the advertising connected to it.

14:55Meaning that it can set the prices, such as its 70-30 revenue split, what can be installed, and how said apps are monetized. Which is, again, why the Department of Justice has recently sued it for antitrust violations. There is only one way to buy apps on your iPhone. And that's why the App Store is so utterly swamped with microtransaction-pumped filth and random flashlight apps with invasive advertising and spyware and shit. There's not really quality control. And that is usually, by the way, what their argument is. Especially Apple. And I use Apple devices. I'm recording this on an Apple device.

15:29I use an iPhone and a MacBook. But come the fuck on. The whole point of the App Store this whole time, with Apple holding onto it with their nasty, gauntleted fist, was that they hold the quality up. But what you see with the App Store today is a disgrace. Everything is microtransaction-filled. And I know the argument is, well, that's what customers want. Fuck you. It's what you allow. Apple allowed the microtransaction industry to grow on iOS, and in doing so, effectively killed gaming on your phone. The reason that most games require some kind of... They're free to play, but they require some kind of microtransaction to really use them is because these games are insanely profitable.

16:10They're also deeply evil and exploitative. Yeah, Apple allows them, because Apple makes so much money off of them, 30 % of each transaction. If there was a just world here, if we lived in a just society, if the App Store was a just society, Apple would have said, no, this is an evil kind of money-making thing. There is no reason why this should exist. And I know I sound a bit radical on this, and I'm sure someone would disagree and say, oh, I like playing Warlords, Battlemasters. I don't care. Those games are evil. There's a reason why mobile gaming is so thin, and it's because of companies like Apple.

16:49And Matt Stoler said this on the last episode, and I really like this. When you have such a strong monopoly, you're effectively a political power, and things grow within the system, evil things, when you use that monopoly and that power in a way that incentivizes them, Apple could and should have, and the Play Store to an extent, sure, but Apple really created this market, should have crushed microtransaction-filled free-to-play games. They should have rate-limited them, I don't know, or they should have just not allowed them to live. Companies like Ebony, for example, have got so rich over these games that require people to put hundreds of dollars to even compete.

17:24Hey, it's another competition thing. Alright, I'll stop ranting about this, though. We'll get back to the advertising side of the App Store. And Apple, just to be clear, is the only advertising firm on the App Store. And that is a big problem. Apple has aggressively moved against tracking of iOS users. A good thing, by the way. Yet they hold a complete monopoly on any advertisements on the App Store on their phones and any associated advertisement at all on the iPhone. And yeah, you just have to trust them, by the way, on the results there. As that's the only company you can advertise with. There's not really any other choice.

18:01Sorry. Also, that's why Apple is also being sued by the DOJ for alleged Sherman Act violations over allegations its control of services like iMessage, which is unavailable on Android or Windows, and as internal documents show, is seen as a useful tool for ensuring customer loyalty, has allowed it to restrict competition in the messaging, smartphone, and wearable markets. And what's frustrating here is Apple is probably not as evil as Google, and I've definitely gone to bat for Apple, but when you really sit and think about it, does it need to be like this? Could Apple not open this stuff up? There's not really a quality control thing.

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23:17See mintmobile.com. And we're back. But I want to make it clear. And I will make it clear. The competition is good. You want competition. Every one of these companies has sold you a lie that allowing them to control the experience makes it better because it'll be curated by the company that made it. Yet the companies that make these things are huge, constantly laying people off, though this isn't the case with Apple, and when given the chance, will take as many liberties as they can to squeeze as many dollars out of every user. And when they don't have to compete, they get lazy. They get domesticated.

23:54They don't have to innovate or impress you. They just have to keep you there. And keeping you there can be as simple as it's really difficult to move, or where else are you going to go? I keep using my iPhone because I genuinely like iOS, but I also know that if iMessage was an app rather than a thing only found in Apple products, I'd absolutely consider using another platform. And I'm sure someone's going to message me about goddamn beeper or something like that. It's not a good UX. I don't like it. Sorry, Casey. Anyway, when you have a marketplace entirely dominated by one company selling advertising on services it runs, you really have no idea what you're buying.

24:30And this is when we get back to Google. and specifically their AI-powered Performance Max platform, a four-year-old black box advertising solution that covers all of Google's properties, letting you run one campaign across every Google property. Man, how convenient, right? You just tell Google what you want, how much you want to spend, and roughly who you'd like to see it. With what you're advertising, Google will magically tell you at the end how many people saw your ads and how much you owe Google for the pleasure. And no, you do not know where the ads ran, which is a problem that means that hundreds of large brands find themselves every year spending money on spammy and scammy websites that likely never get them any real customers and as an aside by the way i'm hearing tell that there's a big problem in cpm advertising cost per mile so impressions where uh i don't know the impressions might not be real people they might be bots and you know what i have to wonder if the end of this trial doesn't involve that data being shared with the rest of the companies in the industry and us finding out it's a much bigger problem.

25:34I have an advertising episode coming up as well. This, by the way, all of this horrible monopolistic chicanery, this is what keeps the lights on for these companies. Google and Meta own both the products and the advertising services available on those products and thus set the terms of every part of the transaction because there's no other way to advertise on Google Search, Facebook, or Instagram. There are entities competing for placement, but that competition is done on the terms and the platforms set by the platforms themselves, which in turn control how and when the ads are shown and how much you'll be charged for them.

26:08Crucially, these companies also control all the data involved. They are both the company selling you the ad space and the company auditing said ad space and the business. If you do not like Google as an advertising vendor on Google or Meta as a partner to advertise with on Facebook, you are shit out of luck, both if you want to try an alternative and if you need them to improve the product in question. This is the exact reason that Google is so nervous about its upcoming antitrust trial over its accused monopoly over digital advertising, because the government wants it to divest its ad management division, which would in turn create an entirely different marketplace, one where it actually, I don't know, had to compete.

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26:48I also don't believe that most of these companies can operate without their monopolies, as I've said before. Facebook and Instagram are increasingly decaying products that make tens of billions of dollars a year because there's no competitor that can undercut or compete with Meta's advertising dollars, which make up 98 % of their revenue. Meta made$13.46 billion in profit last quarter on$39 billion in revenue, which is a direct result of it being able to manipulate the platform to show more advertising and increase the pricing of the advertising being shown. Meta's users are trapped because Meta owns two of the largest social networks in the world, three if you count threads, though it doesn't show ads yet.

27:26and Meta's advertisers need to be able to access the swaths of people that the platform has. Everyone loses except for Meta, of course. Meta does so very well, but we need to crush their monopoly. And by the way, all of this goes for Google too. And they made a profit of$23.62 billion last quarter, but on revenues of$84.74 billion. Do you really think that$61 billion in expenditures or losses is sustainable in the event that Google no longer owns a monopoly over its advertising space. While those costs aren't all associated with Google search, half of their revenue is, and how much of said revenue is tied in the vagueness of the metrics it provides to its advertisers.

28:11Using these numbers, we see that Meta had expenditures of$25.54 billion over the last quarter. Again, can it sustain this level of spending without a monopoly on advertising, on Facebook and Instagram. I don't think they can. And sure, they could cut back on the tens of billions of dollars they're putting into reality labs. That might help. But at some point, they're going to run out of people to sell to. And they definitely couldn't survive if they couldn't rig the dice how they have been. And while we might like the main revenue-driving products and services from Apple, like iPhones and MacBooks and Microsoft, Xbox, Surface, Office 365, and Windows, it's hard to say the same of Meta and Google.

28:49And I believe both are very brittle as a result. A lack of competition has turned Metascore products into Skinner boxes that live only as a result of a combination of a black box advertising product where nobody knows what's actually happening, and a product that billions of people rely on and use for free. Kind of like Google Search and its associated products like Gmail and Google Docs, which I gotta admit, I still really like. Gmail and Google Docs are so good. I have had readers and listeners ask, I don't know when they're going to fuck them up. I'm scared. But these companies are not competing so much as they're holding the digital lives of their customers hostage, and using that as a means to set the terms of how they're shown advertising that Google both controls the placement and pricing of.

29:31They're not worried about somebody using the other product. Facebook has really not got any competitors, let's be honest. Gmail kind of does, but does it? It's just, it's a big mess. But, you know, if you're looking for an alternative product to something you already own, well, there's a great place to go to. And it's whatever the next thing you hear is. And I'm sure they're very trustworthy. And they would never, ever embarrass me. And you should take your wallet and just fastball it at them. So hard you require Tommy John surgery. Please buy the thing. Or don't. I don't know. I can't make you.

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33:34It doesn't even have to, as Microsoft, Amazon and Apple have had to, diversify its business or add other revenue streams besides the big two of search and online advertising. Yes, they make money on cloud, yes, yes, yes, but that's not going to replace the search revenue. Don't take the piss. I'd even go as far as to say that Google can't diversify, at least culturally speaking. When it was a young company, Google had a policy where engineers could spend at least 20 % of their time on projects that interested them. This in turn led to the creation of beloved things like Google News, which was a passion project of Krishna Bharat, and Gmail from Paul Bouchette.

34:11And what's crazy about this is, Google has kind of moved away from this model. I'll get to it in a second. It's extremely blood-boiling. In the 2010s, as Google entered its adolescence, it began to resemble, sadly, the kind of stodgy corporate behemoths it once fought, cutting perks and ending permissive workplace practices. And one, it seems, was this 20 % time. Whether 20 % time still exists is genuinely a hot debate in the valley. While Google insists it remains a policy, some Google employees claim it no longer exists, or that it's effectively become 120 % time, meaning that you effectively have to do it on top of the rest of your work.

34:49In a report by Quartz from a few years ago, one engineer blamed the death of 20 % time on stack ranking. where you fire the bottom percentile of workers based on their performance every quarter or so and if you want to know who to blame for that idea it's jack fucking welch who i went into detail with about and just every time i think of jack welch you need to listen to the shareholder supremacy series by the way it just makes me so angry because you can see his influence everywhere it makes me so no no anyway google's rock continued in 2015 when they hired former Morgan Stanley financial executive Ruth Peratt as its CFO.

35:26Peratt's arrival was celebrated by the markets, which added$60 billion to Google's market capitalization as the share price went up, in part because they expected Peratt to bring Google to a level of fiscal discipline it sorely lacked, by which I mean that Google made over$17 billion a year in profits, which was not enough for them. And as the information reported in 2021, this involved killing products that, from the outset didn't appear to be going anywhere. But you know, things take time. Products take time. Gmail took time. I don't think Gmail made much money for the first few years. They were still working out how to make money off of it.

36:02Sometimes you need to experiment and, I don't know, innovate. And man, though, man, they love killing products, though. Google, they claim to invest in innovation, but they really don't. And their reputation is so good that there is an entire website called killed by Google that lists everything they've killed. While some of these products had a decent run, like Google Domains, which made it nine whole years, others were terminated in a matter of months, like Game Builder, which was a beginner-friendly tool for building multiplayer 3D games that lasted, wow, five whole months before Google got out the bolt gun.

36:36The reason I bring this up is because it's very illustrative of Google's biggest threat that they have from antitrust action. Their cultures moved away from innovating and creating things and experimenting to make things. And what sucks is they didn't have to do this. They've been profitable for, what, decades now? But I think there's three reasons why they can't innovate anymore. First of all, employees aren't really provided the opportunity to work on promising ideas without fearing that, well, they'll get fired for not doing their main job. Secondly, even if they manage to create something new and interesting, Google has shown a total lack of patience.

37:13and they won't let things mature and grow over time, which kind of echoes a wider financial problem. You see it a lot in media and indeed podcasts where podcasts are given, what, three months to sing for their supper and if they don't survive, they're killed. Same with TV shows. And guess what? It's something that tracks very precisely with the management consultants like Sondar Pashai coming in. But the third thing, by the way, is the most obvious and that's Google does not need to innovate or at least they don't believe they need to. Google makes an absolute killing from search and advertising.

37:43So why would it bother? Why bother trying to make something interesting or unique? Something that might make, ugh, ugh, disgusting, only 50 or 100 million dollars a year? Ugh. Your big nasty monopolies gushing billions of dollars without you doing anything. You just mess with the customers every day. More money comes out. Why would you possibly try and make a new business line? Idiot. But that's the thing. This is how Google runs. Why would Google possibly tolerate a product that didn't turn into a hyper-growth market or look like it might? Who cares? Why would you bother? Why? When there's nobody to compete with, why would you give a shit?

38:21And that's the thing. We may call this company Google. We may refer to Google as the owner of Google Search, the creator of Google Search, the creator of Gmail. But Google is not Google anymore. Google the company that was beloved for their search product and for their email product. They're dead. The company with such cultural importance that its name is a fucking verb is dead. Killed by people like Prabhagar Raghavan, Liz Reed, and Sondar Pishai. What exists today is a private equity firm with a bunch of flailing business units bolted onto a monopoly over a search engine and its associated advertising, run by a former management consultant called Sondar Pishai.

39:05Google's culture is burning in broad daylight It's workers and I hear from a lot of you And I love hearing from you I will protect your identities They're furious They're furious at what has been done And what is being done To a company that used to be synonymous with innovation and experimentation And this is why I want to emphasize how dire things are for Google Keeping the lights on in Mountain View It isn't cheap And I'd argue that Google is only capable of operating at its current scale because of its bullshit dominance of search and ads. If it's forced to, for example, divest its lucrative advertising business, which would require them cutting off pretty much the most profitable business of all time, or sharing data with competitors, which would allow their competitors to compete, or jettisoning its Android or Chrome businesses, I'm just not sure that Google, both culturally and financially, is capable of competing.

39:57I don't think they are a competitive business in the way that most businesses are. Let me give you an example. My PR firm, right? Or any real business. I have competitors. If I'm shit at my job, if it gets around, if people are saying I'm shit, if I do a bad job from tons of people, someone else can be hired in my place. The same thing happens to many small business owners and just regular people at jobs. If you're shit at your job, you get fired. And in turn, you would lose money. Thus, you try and do a good job so that you're kept at your job or your business keeps getting money so that the business keeps going.

40:32I know this sounds very obvious, but Google, on the other hand, has never really had to compete with anybody on quality. Not of search results, not of ad product, nor have they had to compete with, I don't know, other advertisers. Search is a monopoly unto itself. They bullied and used mob-like tactics and just swarmed some money to get people out, but on the advertising side, they've never had competition. They built the marketplace then they shut the fucking doors behind everyone. I guess in front of them. Eh, whatever. But taking this a step further, I just don't believe that a company with more than half of its revenue coming from such an obvious monopoly is built sustainably.

41:11And in fact, I believe that Google's search monopoly is used to bankroll their other oligopolies in other industries, like cloud and mobile and internet browsers. Cloud is profitable-ish, took them a while to get there, and with the mass build-outs they're doing for Google Gemini, do you really think it's profitable anymore? Let me put it simply. Google is not a company built for competition, and I believe it will collapse if it's ever forced to compete. I don't think this company is capable of the kind of adaptation or reinvention it would need. I think it's lost that ability, and it's lost it through tens of thousands of layoffs, and being run by a guy whose only job is to make number go up.

41:51The vibrancy and culture that once existed in Google is dead and gone and isn't coming back. And while Google is significantly more profitable, well, there's a chance that it ends up shattering and turning into several different Yahoos. Hey, that reminds me of something. Their current search head, Prabhagar Raghavan, where'd he used to work? Was it Yahoo? Is that good? Is Yahoo a good company? oh fuck they're owned by a private equity film that's not good well anyway in the next episode i'm going to dive into the specifics of how google amassed its monopoly and what breaking it up might actually mean for the future of the company and the internet at large i'm very excited to talk about it because i want to see these companies burn i want to see companies that refuse to compete that refuse to act on human terms that treat their customers like shit that are run by insanely rich Rich guys who don't talk to regular people.

42:46I want to see them burn. If you're a big company and you do a good job, I have no problem with you. None. But if you must exploit to get rich, fuck you, I'm coming for you. Every week. Every goddamn day. Thank you, listeners.

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