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Part Three - NVIDIA Isn't Enron - So What Is It?
In this episode of the "Better Offline" podcast, host Ed Zitron concludes a three-part series focused on NVIDIA. The discussion revolves around the company's troubling financial practices, specifically the reliance on GPU sales to a limited customer base that seems to be struggling financially. Zitron explores the implications of NVIDIA's current state, connections to broader industry trends, and a looming financial crisis driven by unsustainable debt and lack of profit in the AI sector.
Key Themes and Concepts
- Current Financial State of NVIDIA
- NVIDIA's health is precarious despite its dominance in the GPU market.
- The company's revenue heavily depends on a limited number of customers, primarily tech giants like Oracle, Microsoft, and others.
- Concerns arise about whether these customers can effectively turn a profit on their capital expenditures (capex) spent on NVIDIA's products.
- AI Infrastructure Spending
- Major tech companies are projected to spend over $400 billion on AI infrastructure in the next few years.
- The need for $2 trillion in revenue by 2030 from AI initiatives is emphasized to justify the massive investments.
- Depreciation Issues
- Discussion on how GPUs depreciate faster than they are accounted for in financial statements, creating a troubling "$4 trillion accounting puzzle."
- Companies are spreading the costs of GPUs over longer periods (5-6 years) than their actual useful life (1-3 years).
- Market Demand and Inventory Problems
- Zitron questions the high number of GPUs sold by NVIDIA and their actual utility, suggesting they may be warehoused rather than deployed.
- Reported sales versus actual installations do not align, raising questions about NVIDIA’s sales strategy.
- Issues in power supply and infrastructure delays hinder the deployment of these GPUs.
- Debt Dependency
- NVIDIA's customer base is increasingly reliant on debt to purchase GPUs, which creates an unstable financial ecosystem.
- AI startups benefiting from NVIDIA's GPUs remain unprofitable and are also heavily reliant on venture capital.
- Broader Industry Implications
- The episode warns of impending financial instability in the tech sector due to unsustainable debt levels across major companies.
- Zitron raises concerns about the future of NVIDIA as it relies on customers’ financial health and market conditions that may not support continued growth.
Key Takeaways
- Unsustainable Growth: NVIDIA's current model of growth, heavily reliant on debt and unprofitable customers, is unsustainable.
- Demand vs. Reality: The perceived demand for NVIDIA's GPUs may not reflect actual usage, indicating a potential bubble in the AI hardware market.
- Financial Accountability: There's a looming need for accountability in how companies report and manage depreciation and capital expenditures in a rapidly changing technological landscape.
- Future Risks: The interconnectedness of debt reliance among tech companies poses risks that could lead to significant market corrections.
Conclusion
Ed Zitron concludes the episode by highlighting the unsettling reality of NVIDIA's sales and financial practices. He urges listeners to critically assess the tech industry’s trajectory, especially regarding AI and GPU investments, as the foundation appears increasingly unstable. The discussion emphasizes the urgent need for transparency and accountability within the industry to avoid a potential crash.
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3:30Call Zone Media. Hi, I'm Ed Zitron and welcome back to Better Offline.
3:48and this is our third and final part of our better offline nvidia special where we're talking about well the shakiness behind its growth and how the company despite being on incredibly infirm ground is definitely not enron or nortel or worldcom or lucent or any other dot-com bubble era firm that imploded under its own weight and, well, quite dodgy accounting. The thing is, even if Enron is nothing like them, there's still quite a few causes for concern, and that's largely driven from the fact that NVIDIA makes the majority of its money selling GPUs to a handful of customers, and so, well, some of those also look to be on some of their own incredibly shaky ground.
4:29And yeah, I'm talking about Oracle. Now, NVIDIA's health, saying nothing of its growth, isn't just tied to these customers. It's also tied to whether these customers can actually turn a profit from their capex spending, and even that's not even certain. So due to the fact that so much money has been piled into building AI infrastructure and big tech has promised to spend hundreds of billions of dollars more in the next year, big tech has found itself in a bit of a hole. How big of a hole? Well, by the end of the year, Microsoft, Amazon, Google and Meta will have spent over$400 billion in capital expenditures.
5:03Much of it focused on building AI infrastructure on top of$228.4 billion in CapEx in 2024 and around$148 billion in capital expenditures in 2023 for a total of$776 billion in the space of three years. And they expect to spend more than$400 billion more in 2026. Every time I read these numbers, I feel a little crazy. as a result based on my own analysis big tech needs to make two trillion dollars in brand new brand spanking new revenue specifically from ai by 2030 all of this was effectively for nothing now i go into detail about this in the premium newsletter i did on october 31st but i'm i'm going to give you a short explanation here first though we have to talk about depreciation and because i'm lazy i'm going to quote myself in that newsletter i just mentioned a couple of seconds ago.
5:57Ahem. So when Microsoft buys, say,$100 million worth of GPUs, it immediately comes out of its capital expenditures, which is when a company uses money to invest in either buying or upgrading something. It then adds to its property, plants, and equipment assets, PPE for short, although some companies list this on their annual and quarterly financials as property and equipment. PPE sits on the balance sheet. It's an asset, as it's stuff for the company that it owns or is least. GPUs depreciate, meaning they lose value over time, and this depreciation is represented on a balance sheet and the income statement.
6:31Essentially, the goal is to represent the value of an asset that a company has on the income statement, and we see how much the assets have declined during the reporting period, whether that be a year or a quarter or something else, whereas the balance sheet shows the cumulative depreciation of every asset currently in play. Depreciation does two things, and I know this sounds like a lot, but I'll break it down for you. First, it allows a company to accurately, to an extent, represent the value of things it owns over their useful life. Secondly, it allows a company to deduct the value of an asset across said useful life, right up until its eventual removal, versus having to take a big hit up front.
7:07The way this depreciation is actually calculated can vary. There are several different methods available, with some allowing for greater deductions at the start of the term, which is useful for those items that will experience the biggest drop in value right after buying them and their initial use. An example you're probably familiar with is a new car which loses a significant chunk of its value the moment it's driven off a dealership lot. Depreciation has become a big, ugly problem with GPUs, specifically because of that useful life, defined either as how long the thing is able to be run before it dies, or how long before it becomes obsolete.
7:39And nobody seems to be able to come up with a consensus about how long this should be. In Microsoft's case, depreciation for its servers is spread over six years, a convenient change it made in August 2022, a few months before the launch of ChatGPT, and before it bought a bunch of fucking GPUs. This means that Microsoft can spread the cost of tens of thousands of A100 GPUs bought in 2020, or the 450 ,000 H100 GPUs it bought in 2024, across six years, regardless of whether those are the years they'll be generating revenue or actually functioning. CoreWeave, for what it's worth, says the same thing, but largely because it's betting that it'll still be able to find users for older silicon after its initial contracts with companies like OpenAI expire.
8:20The problem is that AI GPUs are fairly new concepts, and thus all of this is pretty much untested ground. Whereas we know how long, say, a truck or a piece of heavy machinery can last and how long it can deliver value to an organization, we don't know the same thing about the kind of data-centered GPUs that hyperscalers are spending tens of billions of dollars on each year. Any kind of depreciation schedule is based on it, best assumptions and at worst hope. Now, this is important. The concept of an AI data center is super new. We maybe saw the first ones in 2019? It's kind of hard to say, but even at the scale we're seeing today, a gigawatt data center, pretty much brand new, maybe a couple years old.
9:04I don't even think they've even built any, but we'll get to that in a bit. There are a lot of assumptions at play. There's the assumption that the cards won't degrade with heavy usage, or the assumption that future generations of GPUs won't be so powerful and impressive that they'll render the previous ones more obsolete than expected, kind of like how the first jet-powered planes of the 1950s did to those manufactured just a decade prior. The assumption that there will be, in fact, a market for older cards, and that there'll be a way to lease them profitably. What if those assumptions are, I don't know, wrong?
9:35What if that hope is ultimately irrational? So there's a quote from the Center for Information Technology Policy framing this problem well that I'll link to in the notes. Here is the puzzle. The chips at the heart of the infrastructure build-out have a useful lifespan of one to three years due to rapid technological obsolescence and physical wear, but companies depreciate them over five or six years. In other words, they spread out the cost of their massive capital expenditures over a longer period than the facts warrant, what The Economist has referred to as the$4 trillion accounting puzzle at the heart of the AI cloud.
10:06This is why Michael Burry brought it up recently, because spreading out these costs allows big tech to make their net income, i.e. their profits, look better. In simple terms, by spreading out the costs over six years rather than three, hyperscalers are able to reduce the line item that eats into their earnings, which makes their companies look better to the markets. So why does this create an artificial time limit? Well, let's start with a horrible fact. It takes 2.5 years of construction time and about$50 billion per gigawatt of data center capacity. No matter when the GPUs for a gigawatt data center are bought, one way or another these GPUs are depreciating in value, either through death or reduced efficacy through wear and tear, or becoming obsolete, which is very likely as NVIDIA is committed to releasing a new GPU every single year.
10:50Newer generation GPUs like NVIDIA's Blackwell and Vera Rubin require entirely new data center architecture, meaning that one has to either build a brand new data center or retrofit an old one. Essentially, we have facilities that are being built around a GPU design or product that may change in a year or two. Now, I hear that the Oberon racks that they use for the Blackwells will be used with some Vera Rubin, but even then, there's going to be an even bigger, more huger Vera Rubin that comes that might even... I read somewhere that there might even be like kilowatt level ones, just like 100 kilowatt ones.
11:23This company's insane. Nevertheless, at some point, Wall Street is going to need to see some sort of return on this investment, and right now, that return is negative dollars. I break it down on my October 31st premium piece, but for your sake, I'll just say it. I estimate the big tech needs to make$2 for every dollar of CapEx they've spent. And this revenue must be new, brand new, as this CapEx is only for AI. This CapEx is useless for everything else. It does not help it. And no, it doesn't help that they bolted Copilot onto fucking everything. That is not working. And in fact, their Australian Competition Commission is suing them.
11:57Maybe I mentioned that later, but whatever. Meta, Amazon, Google, and Microsoft are already years and hundreds of billions of dollars in and are yet to see a dollar of profit, creating a$1.21 trillion hole just to justify the expenses, so around$605 billion of capex all told at the time I calculated it. Much of this capex has been committed or spent before they've even turned on a single goddamn GPU. You might argue that there's a scenario here where, say, an A100 GPU is useful past the three or six year shelf life. Even if that were the case, the average rental price of an A100 is 99 cents an hour.
12:32This is a four or five year old GPU, and customers are paying for it like they would a five year old piece of hardware. The same fate awaits the H100, which was released in 2022, but still sold in great volume through 2024, and I hear the H200 of the same generation is still selling to this day. Every year, Nvidia releases a new GPU, lowering the value of all the other GPUs in the process, making it harder to fill in the holes created by all the other GPUs' capex and costs. This whole time, nobody appears to have found a way to make a profit, meaning that the hole created by these GPUs remains unfilled, all while big tech firms buy more GPUs, creating more holes to fill.
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17:23So a few weeks ago, I wrote a piece, a premium one called The Hater's Guide to NVIDIA, and I asked a basic question in there. Where have all the GPUs that NVIDIA has sold actually gone? In particular, the 6 million Blackwell GPUs that Jensen Huang keeps banging on about. Now, there's little evidence that these are being used in the volume in which they're sold, suggesting that they're either languishing in the supply chain or being warehoused by hyperscalers or even NVIDIA themselves. Now, there's the argument that this could be, and this is wanky NVIDIA bullshit, this could actually be two GPUs per GPU sold because there's two chips on each GPU.
17:56Even if that was the case, 3 million GPUs, Blackwell specifically, the brand new ones, they're not in service. Now, while I'm not going to go and copy-paste an entire premium piece into this script, I am, however, going to go into detail about what I found. And the truth is, I can only really see, and this includes looking over, like, bunches of data center maps, reading hundreds of press releases, documents, earning statements. I've only been able to find maybe a couple hundred thousand Blackwell GPUs in existence, maybe half a million to 750 ,000 if you include the stuff that hasn't even been built yet.
18:33But let's go into it. So Stargate Abilene, allegedly 400 ,000 Blackwell GPUs are going there. Now Oracle CEO, co-CEO I should say, Clay McGaurek, that's probably not how you say that, he claimed very recently there were 96 ,000 of them installed. So not great. There's theoretically in 131 ,000 Blackwell GPU cluster owned by Oracle that they announced in March 2025. So that should be online. Never. 5 ,000 Blackwell GPUs at the University of Texas, Austin, which sound like they're online. More than 1 ,500 in a Lambda data center in Columbus, Ohio. Those are online. The Department of Energy is still in development.
19:10100 ,000 GPU supercluster, as well as 10 ,000 NVIDIA Blackwell GPUs that are expected to be available in 2026 in its Equinox cluster. Really can't establish how many of those are actually in operation. 50 ,000 of these Blackwell GPUs going into the still-unbuilt Musk-run Colossus 2 supercluster. Corwee's largest GB200 Blackwell cluster of 2 ,496 Blackwell GPUs, tens of thousands of them deployed globally by Microsoft, including 4 ,600 Blackwell Ultra GPUs, and 260 ,000 of them, these black world gpus going into five ai data centers for the south korean government and yeah i just want to be clear that that is also fairly recently announced so probably not even not even built let alone powered on i'm gonna be honest i'm genuinely unable to find one million black world gpus like in existence now some of you might say oh there's a bunch of secret ones there's a bunch of them they don't announce every single one here's the thing three million of these fucking things have allegedly been shipped i can't find a million of them and considering everybody always talks about their gpu purchases i'm kind of shocked i can't now i do not know where these six million blackwell gpus have gone but they certainly haven't gone into data centers that are powered and turned on in fact power has become one of the biggest issues with building these things in the fact it's really difficult and maybe impossible to get the amount of power these things need to the goddamn data centers in really simple terms there isn't enough power or built data centers for those Blackwell GPUs to run, in part because the data centers aren't built, and in part because there isn't enough power for the ones that are.
20:48Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella recently said in a podcast that his company, and I quote, didn't have the warm shells to plug into, meaning buildings with sufficient power, and heavily suggested that Microsoft may actually have a bunch of chips sitting in inventory that they couldn't plug in. Now, just to give you an estimate here, even if we say 3 million gpus even if we're going with the the moon math of nvidia if we're going into the make-believe world the twisted mind of jensen hwang that's still 3 million gpus we're looking at still like five or six gigawatts of capacity it's not being built i don't even think two gigawatts of data center capacity have been built and i swear to fucking god if one of you emails me and said america's built on 20 gigawatts or something power can get built power can get built you can build power getting it to the data center and actually powering the data center correctly as in things turn on everything works nothing overloads nothing blacks out and the power is consistently done takes well it's just months of surveys and scientific stuff and then years to just get it done stargate abilene only has 200 megawatts they're gonna need over 1.4 gigawatts just to turn the fucking thing on.
21:59I'm so tired of these goddamn GPUs. But with all this said, why, pray tell, is Jensen Huang of NVIDIA saying that he has 20 million Blackwell and Vera Rubin GPUs ordered through the end of 2026? Where are they fucking going, Jensen? Now, I think that number also includes the 6 million. And also, just to be clear, I know a lot of you aren't technical, which is awesome. I love non-technical. I want you all to know about this. You need to know that this is par for the course with nvidia nvidia loves smushing accountancy things together and coming up with random numbers credit the case could go our friend of the show for telling me the story but during the early 2020s so i think it's 2022 during the big crypto rush nvidia classified gaming gpus that were sold to bitcoin miners as gaming revenue they got dinged by the sec wasn't fraud but just so you know nvidia will move shit around and i truly do not know where these GPUs are.
22:55I do not know even why anyone is still buying GPUs. Now, AI bulls will tell you that there's this insatiable demand for AI, and these massive amounts of orders are proof of something, or rather. And you know what? I'll give them that. It's proof that people are buying a lot of GPUs. I just don't know why. Nobody has made a profit from AI, and those making revenue aren't really making that much. Let me give you an example. My reporting on OpenAI from November 12th suggests that the company only made$4.329 billion in revenue for the end of September, extrapolated from the 20 % revenue share that Microsoft receives in the company.
23:31And now some people who write really shit-ass substags have argued with the figures, claiming that they're either delayed or are not inclusive of the revenue that OpenAI has paid from Microsoft as part of Bing's AI integration and sales of OpenAI's models throughout Microsoft Azure. So I want to be clear of two things, because I'm a deeply bitter person. this is a cruel accounting meaning that these numbers are revenue booked in the quarter i reported them any comments about quarter-long delays or naive approaches and you know who i'm fucking talking about if you're listening are incorrect and rebozo also microsoft's revenue share payments to open ai are kind of pathetic totaling based on documents reviewed by this newsletter publication whatever you call me media entity floating blob in the podcast verse 69.1 million in calendar year Q3 2025.
24:23And by the way, the actual number for that three-month period, including all royalties, is about$4.527 billion of revenue. I just want to be clear about something with OpenAI. I'm not saying they're misrepresenting their numbers to anyone. I hope that OpenAI is being honest with their revenues. But if it comes out, I'm right. If it comes out that it turns out that they've been telling investors completely different numbers, I'm going to be absolutely fucking insufferable. I'm going to be playing Tommy Trump as I walk around cheering. You're going to get five minutes of monologue about that. Also, in the same period, OpenAI spent$8.67 billion on inference, which is the process in which an LLM creates its output.
25:05This is the biggest company in the generative AI space, with 800 million weekly active users and the mandate of heaven in the eyes of the media. Anthropic, its largest competitor, alleges it will make$833 million in revenue in December 2025, and based on my estimates, we'll end up having about$4.5 to$5 billion of revenue by the end of the year. Based on my reporting from October, Anthropic spent$2.66 billion on Amazon Web Services through the end of September, meaning that it, based on my own analysis of reported revenue, spent 104 % of its revenue up to that point, just on AWS, and likely spent as much on Google Cloud.
25:41Now, the reason I'm bringing up these numbers is these are the champions the champions of the ai boom yet their revenues kind of fucking stink wow even if open ai made 13 billion dollars this year even if anthropic made 5 billion dollars okay wow so that's not even 20 billion dollars that's like 19 billion dollars less than microsoft spent on gpus and other capex in the last quarter that's dog shit i'm sorry i'm i'm just tired of I am tired of humoring this. I'm sure all of you are too. I find it loathsome that we have to pretend these people are gifted somehow. They have shit-arse businesses that burn billions of dollars.
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26:23And you know what another thing I'm tired about is? Everybody telling this story about Anthropic being more efficient and only burning$2.8 billion this year. Now, one has to ask a question about why this company that's allegedly reducing costs had to raise 13 billion dollars in september 2025 after raising 3.5 billion dollars in march 2025 after raising 4 billion dollars in november 2024 am i really meant to read stories about anthropic hitting break even in 2028 with a straight face especially as other stories say they'll be cash flow positive as soon as 2027 this company's as bigger pile of shit as OpenAI.
27:04OpenAI raised$18.3 billion this year. That's less than$2 billion more than Anthropic, who makes a bunch less revenue. I can't believe I'm defending OpenAI, but these companies are the two largest ones in the generative AI space, and by extension, the two largest consumers of GPU Compu. Both companies burn billions of dollars and require an infinite amount of venture capital to keep them alive at a time when the Saudi Public investment fund is struggling and the US venture capital system is set to run out of cash in the next year and a half. The two largest sources of actual revenue for selling AI compute are subsidized by venture capital and debt.
27:42What happens if these sources dry up? They're not paying out of cash flow. And in all seriousness, who else is buying AI compute? What are they doing with it? Hyperscalers, other than Microsoft, which chose to stop reporting its AI revenue back in January when it claimed it made about a billion dollars a month in revenue, don't disclose anything about their AI revenue, which in turn means that we have no real idea of how much real, actual money is coming to justify these GPUs. CoreWeave made$1.36 billion in revenue and lost $110 million doing so in the last quarter, and if that's indicative of the kind of actual real demand for AI compute, I think it's time to start panicking about whether all of this was for nothing.
28:23CoreWeave has a backlog of over$50 billion in compute, and$22 billion of that is OpenAI, a company that earns billions of dollars a year and lives on venture subsidies. $14 billion of that is Meta, which has yet to work out how to make any kind of real money from generative AI, and no, it's generative AI ads and not the future. 404 Media, I love you, but that story was bunk. And the rest of it is likely a mixture of Microsoft and NVIDIA, which agreed to buy$6.3 billion of any unused compute from CoreWeave through 2032. I should also be clear, I do pay and subscribe to 404. I love it. Just the AI ad story was wank.
28:57I love you. I love you, Joe. I love the publication. Sorry, I also forgot Google, by the way, which is renting capacity from CoreWeave to rent to OpenAI, and I'm not shitting you. Oh, fuck. Sorry, I also forgot to mention that CoreWeave's backlog problem stems from data center construction delays. That and CoreWeave has$14 billion in debt, mostly from buying GPUs, which it was able to raise by using GPUs as collateral. And then it had contracts from customers willing to pay for it, such as NVIDIA, who is also selling it the GPUs. I also left something out of this script, which is that just the last week CoreWeave just raised another$2 billion of debt.
29:34When this all ends, I am going to be a little insufferable. But let's just be abundantly clear. CoreWeave has bought all those GPUs to rent to OpenAI, Microsoft for OpenAI, Meta, Google for OpenAI, and NVIDIA, which is the company that benefits from CoreWeave's continuing ability to buy GPUs. Otherwise, where's the fucking business exactly? Who are the customers? Who are the people renting the GPUs, and what is the purpose for which they're being rented? How much money is renting those GPUs? Can you tell me? Can anyone tell me? Can anyone tell me anything? You can sit and wank and waffle on about the supposed glorious AI revolution all you want, but where's the goddamn money?
30:12And why exactly are we still buying GPUs? What are they doing? To whom are they being rented? For what purpose? And why isn't it creating the kind of revenue that's actually worth sharing or products that are actually worth using? Is it because the products suck? Is it because the revenue sucks? Is it because it's unprofitable to make the revenue? And why at this point in history do we not know? Hundreds of billions of dollars that have made NVIDIA the biggest company on the stock market, and we still do not know why people buy these fucking things, nor do we know what they fucking cost. Imagine if we sold cars and we didn't have a miles per gallon rating.
30:50I'm serious, that's effectively where we are. Oh god.
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34:28NVIDIA is currently making hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue selling GPUs to companies that either plug them in and start losing money or, I assume, put them in a warehouse for safekeeping. And those companies increasingly are racking up mountains of debt to do so and billions more in long-term lease payments. And this brings me to my core anxiety. Why exactly are companies pre-ordering GPUs? What benefit is there in doing so? Blackwell does not appear to be more efficient in a way that actually makes anybody a profit, and we're potentially years from seeing these GPUs in operation in data centers at the scale they're being shipped.
35:02So why is anyone buying more? I just want to be really specific about something, because I don't feel like I nailed this down. Two and a half years,$50 billion per gigawatt of data centers. You may be thinking, well, Blackwells, you'll just shove them in the old data centers, right? No, they use these Oberon racks, specific new racks. They take a bunch more power and they need a bunch of liquid cooling. You can't just retrofit easily. You have to bulldoze shit and rebuild. Well, remove all the housing and then add HVAC stuff. It's very expensive and takes a long time. And look, I just don't know what's happening with these GPUs.
35:35I'm a little bit concerned. And I doubt these are new customers. They're likely hyperscalers, neoclouds like CoreWeave and resellers like Dell and Supermicro, who also both sell to CoreWeave. Because the only companies that can actually afford to buy GPUs are those with massive amounts of cash or debt, to the point that even Google, Amazon, Meta, and Oracle are taking on massive amounts of new debt, all without a plan to make a profit. Oracle is looking potentially at$56 billion of debt. It's completely bonkers. NVIDIA's largest customers are increasingly unable to afford its GPUs, which appear to be increasing in price with every subsequent generation.
36:11NVIDIA's GPUs are so expensive that the only way you can buy them is by already having billions of dollars or being able to raise billions of dollars, which means, in a very real sense, that NVIDIA is dependent not on its customers, but on its customers' credit ratings and financial backers and the larger private credit institutions, which I'm eventually going to have to do a newsletter on and a podcast on, because honestly, every time I read about the private credit situation with Blue Owl, I get i begin hearing the bit from kill bill it's not it's not good and to make matters worse the key reason that one would buy a gpu is to either run ai services using it or rent it to somebody else to run ai services and the two largest parties spending money on these services are open ai and anthropic both of whom lose billions of dollars and thus are much like the people buying the gpus dependent on venture capital and debt now remember open ai and anthropic both have lines of credit $4 billion for OpenAI and$2.5 billion for Anthropic.
37:09In simple terms, NVIDIA's customers rely on debt to buy its GPUs, and NVIDIA's customers' customers rely on debt to pay to rent them. Yeah, it's not great, yet it actually gets worse from there. Who, after all, are the biggest customers paying the companies renting GPUs to sell their AI bottles? That's right, AI startups, all of which are deeply unprofitable. Cursor, Anthropic's largest customer and now its biggest competitor in the AI coding sphere, raised$2.3 billion in November after raising$900 million in June. PerplexD, one of the most popular, I put that in air quotes, raised$200 million in September after raising$100 million in July after seeming to fail to raise half a billion dollars in May after raising$500 million in December 2024.
37:54Cognition raised$400 million in September after raising$300 million in March, and Coher raised$100 million in September a month after it raised $500 million. None of these companies are profitable, not even close. I read a story in Newcomer by Tom Dutan that said that Cursor sends 100 % of its revenue to Anthropic to pay for its models. Very cool. So I really want to lay this out for you because it's very bad when you think about it. So venture capital is feeding money to startups. They fund the startups, AI startups, and then they pay either or both OpenAI or Anthropic to use their models. Now OpenAI and Anthropic need to serve those models, right?
38:33So they then raise venture capital or Debt to pay hyperscalers or neoclouds to rent NVIDIA GPUs. At that point, hyperscalers and neoclouds then use either Debt or existing cash flow, in the case of hyperscalers, though not for long, to buy more NVIDIA GPUs. Only one company appears to make a profit here, and it's NVIDIA. Well, NVIDIA and its resellers like Dell and Supermicro, which buy NVIDIA GPUs, put them in servers, and sell them to neoclouds like Lambda or CoreWave. At some point, a link in this debt-backed chain breaks because very little cash flow exists to prop it up. At some point, venture capitalists will be forced to stop funneling money into unprofitable, unsustainable AI companies, which will make those companies unable to funnel money into the pockets of Anthropic and OpenAI who rent the GPUs, will then not be able to funnel money into the pockets of those buying GPUs, which will make it harder for those companies to justify buying GPUs.
39:30At that point, some of this comes to NVIDIA, and NVIDIA doesn't make so much money. And if I'm honest, none of NVIDIA's success really makes any sense. Who's buying so many GPUs, and where are they going? Why are NVIDIA's inventories increasing? Is it really just pre-buying parts for future orders? Why are their accounts receivable climbing, and how much product is NVIDIA shipping before it gets paid? While these are both explainable as this is a big company and this is how companies do business, and that's true, why do receivables not seem to be coming down? And how long, realistically, can the largest company on the stock market continue to grow revenues selling assets that only seem to lose its customers' money and don't seem to even be in use for years?
40:17I worry about Nvidia not because I think there's a massive scandal but because so much rides in its success and its success rides on the back of dwindling amounts of venture capital and debt because nobody is actually making money to pay for these GPUs let alone running them in fact I'm not even saying Nvidia goes tits up I want to be clear about that I think they may even have another good quarter or two in them it really just comes down to how long people are willing to be stupid and how long Jensen Huang is able to call up Sachin Adela and co at three in the morning and say, buy$1 billion of GPUs, you pig.
40:51Findom style, baby. But really, I think much of the US stock market's growth is held up by how long everybody is willing to be gaslit by Jensen Huang into believing that they need more GPUs. At this point, it's barely about AI anymore. As AI revenue, real cash made from selling services run on those GPUs doesn't even cover the costs, let alone create the cash flow necessary to buy more$70 ,000 GPUs thousands at a time. It's not like any actual innovation or progress is driving this bullshit. In any case, the markets crave a healthy NVIDIA, as so many hundreds of billions of dollars of NVIDIA stock sits in the hands of retail investors and people's 401ks, and its endless growth has helped paper over the pallid growth of the US stock market and, by extension, the decay of the tech industry's ability to innovate.
41:39Once this pops, and it will pop because there's simply not enough money to do this forever, there must be a referendum on those that chose to ignore the naked instability of this era and the endless lies that inflate the AI bubble. I will be walking around with a gavel. I am going to be taking heads. I am fucking sick of this era, and what I'm most sick of is that so few people are still, to this day, willing to admit how bad this is. And I know In the next few months, we're going to get articles from major media outlets that say, how could we have seen this coming? And like I said in the previous episode, they could have fucking looked.
42:14All of them could have looked. And they could have looked a year ago. The incredible support I get from all of you truly makes this show a joy to make, even though I've done way too many retakes on this. And apologies to Matt Ossowski for the noises I made. But I think in the next few months, we're all going to be validated. It's going to be the great vindication. but until then everybody's betting billions on the idea that Wile E. Coyote won't look down he's going to have to at some point won't he
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