In short
The episode covers 13F filings and ultra-wealthy investors’ bets (especially family offices buying SpaceX), Alphabet’s AI-driven debt funding for data centers, Anthropic’s reported IPO-readiness, AstraZeneca’s failed lung-cancer trial amid broader pharma portfolio strategy, and Mark Walter’s rapid Lakers sale tied to insurance-industry regulatory scrutiny.
Guest backgrounds
Yichin Shen is an equity reporter for Bloomberg News. Ed Ludlow is Bloomberg Tech host. Sam Fazeli is a Bloomberg Intelligence healthcare/pharma analyst in London. Shree Nanarajan is Bloomberg News’ chief Wall Street correspondent.
Key claims
Family offices hold $3.8B+ in SpaceX; Berkshire added ~$8B to Alphabet; Alphabet is raising $5B AUD (“kangaroo bond”) for AI capex; Anthropic posted $11.45B Q2 revenue and positive adjusted operating income; AstraZeneca stopped a lung-cancer trial; Mark Walter’s insurers show affiliated assets rising to ~40%, prompting asset sales.
Notable examples
SpaceX, Tesla/Elon Musk ecosystem; Harvard Management ($2.2B stake) and UC endowment arm; Berkshire/Alphabet; SpaceX bond underperformance; Merck’s Keytruda comparator; Revolution Medicines pancreatic cancer; Lakers sale to Bob Iger/Josh Kushner.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFamily Offices Invest in SpaceX
0:15 to 1:15
Discussion on family offices investing over $3.8 billion in SpaceX.
“The thing about AI for business, it may not automatically fit the way your business works.”
Family Offices Invest in SpaceX
2:07 to 3:18
Discussion on family offices investing over $3.8 billion in SpaceX.
“So I would say for this 13th quarter, lots of attention is going to SpaceX.”
Investment Insights from College Endowments
3:18 to 4:16
Insights into how college endowments also invest in SpaceX.
“So there are a lot of really exciting, fast-moving stocks right now, a lot of excitement around AI and things like that.”
Investment Timing and Portfolio Changes
4:16 to 4:49
Discussion on the timing of investments and potential portfolio changes.
“It was like the rocket science startup, right, for many, many years ago.”
Growing Influence of Family Offices
4:49 to 6:50
Exploring the rising impact of family offices in investment reports.
“We only got to know it because now it became a public company.”
Transition to Sponsor Read
7:11 to 7:32
Transitioning to the sponsorship segment.
Alphabet's Debt Offering and AI Investments
8:36 to 14:00
Discussion on Alphabet's debt offering and the implications for AI investments.
“Everyone's talking about how AI is transforming work, especially in sales.”
Anthropic's Impressive Growth
14:00 to 14:59
Discussing Anthropic's revenue surge and its implications for the AI market.
“So, Ed, real quick, Anthropic, saw some Bloomberg reporting here.”
DoorDash's Drone Delivery
16:03 to 17:31
Exploring DoorDash's advances in drone technology for food delivery.
“Everyone's talking about how AI is transforming work, especially in sales.”
AstraZeneca's Clinical Trials and Drug Development
17:43 to 20:48
Analyzing AstraZeneca's halted drug trials and the complexities of pharma.
“Eastern on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app.”
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AI's Role in Biotechnology
20:48 to 22:42
Discussing how AI enhances drug development processes in biotech.
“There are drugs for reducing your cholesterol, oral drug that recently approved.”
The Sale of the Los Angeles Lakers
22:42 to 28:00
Investigating the unexpected sale of the Lakers and its implications.
“More from Bloomberg Intelligence coming up after this.”
Mark Walter's Strategic NBA Move
28:00 to 28:37
Discussion on Mark Walter's sale of the Lakers and his motivations.
“And you get the sense that, in some ways, it was very lucky for him.”
Financial Challenges at Walter's Insurance Firms
28:37 to 29:23
Exploration of financial issues within Walter's insurance companies.
“It accelerates his bid to solve for the other problems in his financial empire.”
Government Scrutiny and Regulatory Concerns
29:23 to 30:29
Details about subpoenas and the focus of regulators on Walter's investments.
“And there was a filing from the insurance company that said, oops, we got a subpoena in February from the government and we did some numbers again.”
Potential Asset Sales and Financial Recovery
30:29 to 34:03
Discussion on possible asset sales and financial strategies for recovery.
“presumably to make sure that regulators can get comfortable again with this remediation plan if they're able to do that.”
Potential Asset Sales and Financial Recovery
34:08 to 35:11
Discussion on possible asset sales and financial strategies for recovery.
“Everyone's talking about how AI is transforming work, especially in sales.”
Transcript
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1:57And that's certainly the case this time. Yichin Shen joins us here. She's an equity supporter for Bloomberg News. She joins us live here on our Bloomberg Interactive Broker Studio. Yichin, talk to us about some of these ultra wealthy individuals, these family offices. What are they buying? Sure, yeah. So I would say for this 13th quarter, lots of attention is going to SpaceX. Because we know SpaceX has this record-setting IPO, right, in June. And it's for the first time, like, the public got to see who are the sort of the earlier investor, private investor on its back. And it turned out from certain filings, more than a dozen family offices at least hold more than$3.8 billion investments through the first of the year.
2:47So that includes a family office from Haya Hotel's Nick Prisar, who hold$1.8 billion investments, and Michael Platt's Blue Crash Capital, and also this super influential finance dynasty backed by Brazil's Marira Salas. each of them hold over 100 million of stake. And also remember, some of these investors are also investors in Tesla and other Elon Musk-listed business empire. So there are a lot of really exciting, fast-moving stocks right now, a lot of excitement around AI and things like that. What is it about SpaceX that has this group of investors so excited? I think so. It's interesting that we don't know when exactly they invested.
3:36It could be before well before the public IPO or before the merge it had with XAI. Actually, it takes to another interesting highlight is that there are lots of college endowment funds also invested in SpaceX, including Harvard Management, which is the endowment for the college. It had$2.2 billion. And they're also the California University of California investment arm. So how it works is usually these college endowment funds, they invest through VC arms, venture capital firms. And through the VC, they could be early investors in SpaceX or way before it became this AI. It was like the rocket science startup, right, for many, many years ago.
4:20So that sort of has just come a long way through until what we see in the public filings. And our good friends up at Cambridge, Harvard, they had a stake in SpaceX, right? Yeah, right. As we just mentioned, they have a$2.2 billion. Nice. Good for them. What are we seeing? Do we know when these people invested? You don't really know, right? Right. Just that it was in the private round before they went public. That's all we really know, right? Yeah, especially for SpaceX, right? We only got to know it because now it became a public company. But yeah, we wouldn't know. And there's also a 45 days of lag between because the 13F is a snapshot of their Q2 portfolio.
5:03It could be possible that they try some of their position or change their portfolio, you know, throughout July because it was a pretty turbulent month for tech and AI stocks. But yeah, that part is a question mark. What are some of the other stocks that are, I guess, generating excitement right now? I think I'm reading that Berkshire has taken another huge chunk of Alphabet. Yeah, that's right. So Berkshire Hathaway, they added roughly another$8 billion in Alphabet. That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot of Alphabet. And that's on top of the$10 billion private placements they committed in this close before.
5:41And remember, Alphabet was a position initially started by Warren Buffett 2025 a year ago. Now it is run under Greg Abel, but apparently the company is still pretty committed to this tech bet. You know what I've noticed over the last, I don't know, several years, I guess, is that, I mean, particularly looking at these 13 Fs, it's just more and more family offices are showing up here. I mean, family offices, they're becoming serious players out there in the investment world. What do you guys see from your reporting? Yeah, that's a good observation. And I would agree with that trend. And then I would say, yeah, overall, because 30F has the requirements, is that any investment funds, I believe, has more than$100 million or$200 million AUMs, that's the threshold you need to report.
6:28So that's why we're seeing them in the quarterly filings. But otherwise, yeah, they've been very active. It just, you don't, they're also being super under the radar for the most part with their investments. I think that's changing, though, because they're getting so big, these family offices, that they are showing up in some of these public filings. Oh, is this just like a more private wealth coming, or why is there such a boom of private office? Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Intelligence coming up after this. When your options are limited, so are your opportunities. At SIBO, the global exchange that pioneered options trading, we offer more ways to move with the market.
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8:15Drones are also a way for DoorDash to cut delivery times on orders from more remote locations that some dashers may not want. That's the Bloomberg Tech Minute, brought to you by ChatGPT. Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at ChachiPT.com today by selecting Work Mode. Available on Plus and Pro Plans. Everyone's talking about how AI is transforming work, especially in sales. While the landscape shifts, one thing remains the same. The thrill of closing a deal. Whether it's a gong or a confetti machine, every team has its celebration rituals. Adio is designed for that moment.
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9:35And it used to be when the tech companies needed capital, they just used their cash on the balance sheet or their free cash flow. AI is so expensive, requires so much capital that these companies are going to the equity markets and the fixed income markets. And today, Alphabet is looking to raise$5 billion in a debt offering, a debut bond offering. where? Australia. Why not? Ed Ludo joins us here, Bloomberg tech host. He's out there in San Francisco. Why do you think that I love Australia? I've been there several times. But why do you think Alphabet's going to Australia to raise five billion Australian dollars?
10:10You gave a perfect summary of what's been happening since the middle of 2025. I mean, for one thing, Australia's bond market's quite big, right? And so the capital is available from there. But Alphabet leads this AI borrowing boom that we've seen. Since the middle of 2025, they'd already done about$114 billion worth, but it was also split, largely US-denominated, but Euro, Swiss franc, etc. So this$3.6 billion kangaroo bond action is kind of diversifying that funding. But you're exactly right. Like even a giant like Alphabet cannot fund CapEx from its own cash flows. And so it needs to go to the capital markets to do that across equity and debt.
11:00But the debt investor seems very willing, you know, to support that offering. What is this money for exactly? Is this data centers? Is this other things? Why do they need such huge amounts of money? So it is for data centers and it is in financial terms for capital expenditures, right? So if you look at Alphabet's CapEx for 26, it's approaching$200 billion. And the expectation is that it will be much bigger in 2027 and bigger still in 2028. Something that's really interesting is that CapEx doesn't just go up because you've got to build more stuff, right? It doesn't just go up because you're saying, okay, well, I did 10 data centers, now I need to do 20.
11:38It's also the cost environment. So like labor, construction, materials, power, that is also seeing some inflationary effects. And so the CapEx numbers also need to rise to meet that environment. And what are the companies saying about longer term CapEx as it relates to AI? I guess I'm concerned that this extraordinary high level of CapEx coming from many of these tech companies, this is the new normal. You don't just build your AI and then it's there forever and your CapEx can go back down. It seems like this may be the new level of borrowing. Do the companies admit that or do they say, no, this is kind of a one time five or year or whatever?
12:19There is a distinction probably then between what their capital expenditure intentions are and what their borrowing intentions are. Right. And what Alphabet had said after the last tranche of dollar denominated bonds is, look, we plan to borrow from the U.S. debt market twice a year. And the signal that the market took from that very explicit explanation was we've done twice this year. Are you now done? You know, and so the BI thesis is really clear. There's a lot of demand out there, hundreds of billions of dollars of demand to support that borrowing. But there is also the psychological aspect of like, when do they hit pause and stop?
12:59And the 3.6 billion Aussie offering is very small on a dollar basis compared to the 20, 25 billion they did in the two dollar denominated ones. So it seems like they're kind of tapering off a bit. So the bond market has been the subject of a lot of news this summer. Yields have been up a lot. Does this potentially affect government bond yields when there are all these bonds being issued by huge companies? You know, I might be convincing because of my British schoolboy accent and Welsh charm, but the bond market is not my forte. Technology is. So I mean, the one thing I would say is that you can look at some of the post issuance pricing action of those technology bonds and corporate bonds and say, in some cases, SpaceX, the most notable, that those underperformed and trailed away.
13:50And the big pitch is the premium over treasuries, right, in the first place. That was partly what some of the appetite was driven by. But yeah, I ain't a fixed income guy. I'll punt it back to you. So, Ed, real quick, Anthropic, saw some Bloomberg reporting here. $11.45 billion in revenue in the second quarter, 14-fold increase. What is going on there? Yeah, I mean, that's real revenue, right? They're prelim numbers, but that's data presented to prospective investors in a document that Bloomberg has seen, which would indicate they're having these meetings with prospective investors ahead of an IPO or as part of the process.
14:27The other data point is that they had adjusted positive operating income. And like if you look at some of the AI linked stocks that are moving today, it's probably not just the idea that Anthropik's trapping towards an IPO, that it will happen. But also like they're finding a way to do it without endless losses. Right. And lots of those names, Amazon, Alphabet, have direct investment exposure to Anthropik. But it kind of is validation of the AI trade right now. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Intelligence coming up after this.
14:59This is the Bloomberg Tech Minute brought to you by ChatGPT. Now with ChatGPT Work, I'm Carol Masser. DoorDash, the largest food delivery company in the U.S., is building its own delivery drones and has gained the necessary FAA approvals to operate them commercially, the latest in its effort to delegate more orders to robots as a way of cutting delivery times. Bloomberg's Natalie Lung reports the company says it has been conducting pilot programs with various restaurants, some of which have seen their order volume grow during the test period. The effort marks an expansion of DoorDash's in-house robotics efforts to reduce reliance on human couriers for some orders, as their wages constitute a key expense to the business.
15:42Drones are also a way for DoorDash to cut delivery times on orders from more remote locations that some dashers may not want. That's the Bloomberg Tech Minute brought to you by ChatGPT. Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at ChatGPT.com today by selecting Work Mode. Available on Plus and Pro Plans. Everyone's talking about how AI is transforming work, especially in sales. While the landscape shifts, one thing remains the same. The thrill of closing a deal. Whether it's a gong or a confetti machine, every team has its celebration rituals. Adio is designed for that moment.
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17:28PayPal Open, built for all business. Visit paypalopen.com to get started. That's paypalopen.com. You're listening to the Bloomberg Intelligence Podcast. Catch us live weekdays at 10 a.m. Eastern on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app. Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts or watch us live on YouTube. I said it before, I'll say it again. I just could not invest in biotech stocks. It is just too volatile. I mean, it is a hit or miss. The test works. Stock doubles. If it doesn't, it goes to zero. When they hit, though, it can be so huge. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
18:11So here's one where not working out so well. AstraZeneca is stopping a clinical trial of the experimental drug. I'm not going to pronounce it after it didn't look set to help fight lung cancer better than existing therapy. So I'm going to go to Sam Fazelli. He does all this health care stuff for Bloomberg Intelligence. He's based in London. Have no idea where he is right now. But Sam, talk to us about AstraZeneca and just about this drug in particular, but just how these big pharma companies kind of try to pursue a portfolio approach of drug development. Yeah. Yeah. So, Paul, first of all, I have to say, don't worry about biotin.
18:47Just give all your money to Uncle Sam. You already committed to that in the previous segment, right? That's right. And let's talk about this. This is clinical trials are like that. You want to get a drug for a disease. You've got to go through this. You've got to prove, unlike some people would like to just make it up whether something is bad or causes autism or not. You've got to prove that it works, and you've got to prove that it's worth the side effects. Here, they ran the test in a very difficult group of patients, ones who don't normally respond to even the best drug we have today, which is Merck's Keytruda, and it didn't work out.
19:21But they had two other results that came out today. In fact, one of them was probably more relevant, which is why AstraZeneca is not down, right? So I think it's the way you report it, Paul. At the end of the day, three trials came out today. Two of them hit. One of them didn't. That, to me, is a win. What are some of the exciting things on the horizon right now? Obviously, GLP-1s have been such a huge market mover, such an economic force. But I feel like over the summer, it's just been all tech news in the markets. Is there anything on the horizon that you really have your eye on right now? Yeah, I mean, in terms of drugs, there's always something exciting coming up.
20:01And if we look at cancer specifically now, because the current conversation is cancer, we have a revolutionary drug coming from Revolution Medicines for pancreatic cancer. Something that is going to at least fire the starting guns and actually treating these patients, giving them a chance of doubling their survival. And of course, in all these numbers, there are ones who are much better treated in terms of the, you know, you go with the mean and median. but there are people in there who get much better efficacy. And it is the starting uns because we need to deal with side effect profile there.
20:35So that's coming, and that's going to really accelerate efforts there. There's a whole load of other stuff going on. There's other versions of these GLP-1s coming up. There are drugs for neuropsychiatric diseases that are making big waves. There are drugs for reducing your cholesterol, oral drug that recently approved. There's a lot happening. Unfortunately, AI is the subject de jour, and it will keep sucking the oxygen out of the room. How does AI apply to your business, Sam, in the biotech and the pharma space? I would think it would make the average scientist in the lab smarter, better. How much time do you have, Paul?
21:15Three minutes, 12 seconds. Oh, shoot. The answer to that is actually exactly what you just said. The point isn't to replace scientists. Remember, we've got a brain. If you're, for example, utilizing your brain to understand, say, neuroscience and how neurons work, even there, you might be an expert in visual field or eyes or whatever. You don't know much about the nose and olfactory system. AI is able to synthesize that enormous amount of data and help you make sure that you're not missing something that someone else has seen in a completely unrelated field. as an example, right? So you keep using these things.
21:57You bring the biology into bear with the massive amount of data analysis. We're going to see 20, 30 % of time shaved of drugs get into market. And we're going to see better biology married to people. You need the people in there. You can't just do it on its own at the minute. Sam, I was looking at my weather app and I clicked on London, 80 degrees as far as the eye can see. Now, in New York, no problem. We just crank up the AC. What are you people, what are you doing over there with this heat? You guys don't have air conditioning by March. I think they have air conditioning. You have air conditioning.
22:29That's okay. We have little mobile fans that we carry around. That's enough for us. And marry that. And also, just look a bit further out, Paul. It's all coming back. Rain is coming. Our umbrellas will be out soon. Don't worry. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Intelligence coming up after this.
22:48This is the Bloomberg Tech Minute brought to you by ChatGPT. Now with ChatGPT Work, I'm Carol Masser. DoorDash, the largest food delivery company in the U.S., is building its own delivery drones and has gained the necessary FAA approvals to operate them commercially, the latest in its effort to delegate more orders to robots as a way of cutting delivery times. Bloomberg's Natalie Lung reports the company says it has been conducting pilot programs with various restaurants, some of which have seen their order volume grow during the test period. The effort marks an expansion of DoorDash's in-house robotics efforts to reduce reliance on human couriers for some orders, as their wages constitute a key expense to the business.
23:31Drones are also a way for DoorDash to cut delivery times on orders from more remote locations that some dashers may not want. That's the Bloomberg Tech Minute brought to you by ChatGPT. Put ChatGPT to work on your most ambitious ideas and projects. Get started at ChatGPT.com today by selecting Work Mode. Available on Plus and Pro Plans. Everyone's talking about how AI is transforming work, especially in sales. While the landscape shifts, one thing remains the same. The thrill of closing a deal. Whether it's a gong or a confetti machine, every team has its celebration rituals. Adio is designed for that moment.
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25:17PayPal Open, built for all business. Visit paypalopen.com to get started. That's paypalopen.com. You're listening to the Bloomberg Intelligence Podcast. Catch us live weekdays at 10 a.m. Eastern on Apple CarPlay and Android Auto with the Bloomberg Business app. Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts or watch us live on YouTube. Here's a story I did not have on my bingo card at all for 2026. The sale of the Los Angeles Lakers last week came out of nowhere for me. And I follow the business of sports pretty closely. The CEO of Guggenheim Partners and the owner of the L.A. Dodgers flipped the Lakers within a year and has explored other steps to pay down loans from his insurers.
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26:04So this is not just selling a team. This is a dude, Mark Walters at Guggenheim, big, big private equity shop. He's got some financial issues out there. He's got to kind of move some pieces around. Fortunately, our next guest is following all these pieces. Shree Nanarajan, chief Wall Street correspondent for Bloomberg News. Shree, who is Mark Walters and what's going on there? Yeah, Mark Walter is one of America's wealthiest financiers. And the real story is Mark Walter was in the backwaters of finance in the late 1990s. No one knew him. He was running a asset-backed securitization firm tied with the commercial paper marketplace.
26:45But the real trick, the real game changer for him was a meeting with one of the descendants of the original Guggenheim dynasty, Meyer Guggenheim, the mining baron from the Gilded Age, right? He meets his great grandson who's not happy with how advisors have been dealing with that family money. They come up with this plan where he folds his firm into their family office. And today somehow become, no connection to that family, but somehow he's become torchbearer for that great family name, for that Guggenheim name. Because once he folded that firm, he grew that into Guggenheim Investments, Guggenheim Securities, run by former Bearstone CEO Alan Schwartz.
27:22One of the best. With all that money expanded into other investments, most prominently a stable of expansive and some glittering sports teams, Los Angeles Dodgers, the Chelsea Football Club, Cadillac F1 team, and up until recently, the Los Angeles Lakers. And the only reason we're all talking about this is the shock news that came out. Here's a professional sports team owner selling a team, flipping a team less than a year after he bought it. The Lakers are getting the treatment like it's some sort of fixer-upper on the New Jersey shore. I know I've never heard the term flipping in conjunction with a professional sports team.
27:59Only ranch-style homes. And you get the sense that, in some ways, it was very lucky for him. We don't have any information that suggests that he was quietly going around shopping the Lakers. Because, again, only in October... He doesn't need the money. Only in October 2025 did he even get the approval for this. But somehow, someone clearly told Bob Iger and Josh Kushner, at least that's our understanding, that, hey, you guys should knock on the door of Mark Walter. You're showing interest in the NBA universe. He might need the money. They go in there. They make an offer he can't refuse. And suddenly, he's flipped the team for more than$2.5 billion, what he paid for less than a year ago, which is incredible in itself.
28:36As one finance executive put it to us, it feels like a lucrative fire sale. He's got a lot of money. It accelerates his bid to solve for the other problems in his financial empire. And that is why this is in the news. That is why we all want to talk about Mark Walter is, in addition to the sports team, as we said, he also owns insurers. His whole model, almost a pioneer on Wall Street in some sense, was to take that sleepy, boring insurance money, deploy them in not just bonds and equities and treasuries out there, but go and find other more complex investments, whether that was to back his Dodgers purchase or some of the other pieces of his sprawling business universe.
29:17So do we know what the problems are at the insurance companies that have kind of started this whole thing? Right. And there was a filing from the insurance company that said, oops, we got a subpoena in February from the government and we did some numbers again. And looks like our affiliated investments, which is money that let's just shorthand it from Walters insurers going to other parts of Walters businesses were much higher than previously thought. How much higher? We went from some about, at least at one of the insurance firms in Delaware Life, we went from 3 % being affiliated assets to 40 % being affiliated assets.
29:53You can see why that would make regulators nervous. That is a big change. The sense here is, and that is what prosecutors and regulators are looking at, were third-party intermediaries use just to borrow the money and then channel them off to other parts of Walter's business without the insurance company or even the ratings firm having a true picture of where that money was going. And that's been the focus. That's why Walter, through his holding company, TWG, is racing, racing to cut back this high 40 % rate of affiliated investments, presumably to make sure that regulators can get comfortable again with this remediation plan if they're able to do that.
30:36And that's why the sudden influx from the Lakers sale, when it happens, will be good. There are other options they're exploring to try and raise money to be able to pay down some of these loans. Do we know how much the hole is here? Do we know how much the total hole is? I don't know if hole is necessarily the right term because we don't understand that. It's not like he has to get rid of all of it. But we're talking about suddenly roughly$20 billion across his two insurers being in affiliated assets. And the goal is to try and bring it down substantially. Okay. Okay. Do we know, I mean, so he didn't necessarily want to sell the Lakers, even though he made a lot of money on the sale.
31:10He didn't definitely. It stands to reason that someone who's collected sports teams, someone who's so invested in the sports team, invested emotionally, not just through his wealth. One thinks. Yeah. Yeah. And like, look, look at what the Dodgers are doing. Two times defending World Series champion. They were out there at the Rose Garden just last month being fetted by President Donald Trump. So you wouldn't think that he wanted to buy this as if it was some private equity deal where he could wring out some efficiencies and then sell it for a higher price the very next year. That wasn't the goal.
31:39But from all the mood music we're hearing, it certainly helps. So there was some reporting, I think, last week where he had, Mr. Walter, discussed putting up Guggenheim securities, you know, maybe either putting up for collateral or selling it or monetizing it somehow. Where are we with that? I mean, is there, should we expect more asset sales from his collection? Look, things are very fluid. That our understanding was even before the first set of news stories in the probe came out, even before anyone knew anything about the Lakers being up for sale, and just judging by the timeline, way before Kushner and Iger even went up to him and said they would like to buy the Lakers, they have had early deliberations with different folks in the market trying to find various ways they could raise money.
32:21And one of the options was, could we do some nine-month to 12-month loans where you could give us 500 million or a billion and we'd back that guarantee that with collateral in the form of various assets including the equity stake in guggenheim partners which again tells you the stated path to recovery some of the lenders were saying the potential lenders were saying would have been if they failed to pay back the money that they could enforce on that collateral which tells you you don't wouldn't normally want to put up your crown financial jewel out there and say okay i could use that as collateral so it tells you what they were thinking about in in the realm of the art of the possible.
32:56It is unclear whether that is still a live deal, but what is clear is they're exploring all options possible to make sure they get out of this insurance mess. This is the Bloomberg Intelligence Podcast, available on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Listen live each weekday, 10 a.m. to noon Eastern on Bloomberg.com, the iHeartRadio app, TuneIn, and the Bloomberg Business app. You can also watch us live every weekday on YouTube and always on the Bloomberg Terminal.
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