In short
The episode covers “Wall Street poised for bonus increases in ‘year of the bank’,” plus several earnings/market segments. Catherine Doherty (Bloomberg News finance reporter) says early 2026 deal activity is driving stronger bonus expectations, especially for M&A advisory, equity underwriting, and trading desks. She cites Bloomberg Terminal data: about $1.8 trillion in announced M&A deals so far this year, up ~36% year over year.
Key claims
projections could change if the second half weakens; bonus pools are set using November actuals and December projections, so managers may temper expectations after bad months. Examples: IPO momentum (including SpaceX) and public-debt underwriting for tech; volatility has so far been “good” for trading.
Guests
Catherine Doherty; Mike Kalen (senior restaurant/food service analyst) on McDonald’s, Shake Shack, and beef-cost trends; Geetha Ranganathan (media analyst) on Warner Bros. Discovery, Peloton, and Paramount Skydance; Kunjan Sobani (senior semiconductor analyst) on Arm and memory-chip shortages.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWall Street Bonuses Overview
2:15 to 2:52
Exploring the projections for Wall Street bonuses in 2023.
“The most widely read stories on the Bloomberg Always about Wall Street bonuses Absolutely You need readership.”
Impact of M&A Advisory on Bonuses
2:52 to 3:24
How M&A activities are influencing bonus predictions for bankers.
“And we should caveat by saying it's still early in the year.”
IPO Market Expectations
3:24 to 4:06
Discussion on upcoming IPOs and their potential impact on bonuses.
“And we've just seen so much underwriting of public debt for the for the technology companies, IPO market kicking up.”
Analyzing Bonus Calculations
4:06 to 5:26
Understanding how bonus pools are calculated and the implications.
“I think that that's if If all things continue in these deals actually see the light of day, then yes, these bankers who are facilitating them will see their pay bump increase.”
Current Headcount Trends on Wall Street
5:26 to 6:27
Examining how AI is impacting Wall Street headcount and efficiency.
“So I'm guessing, Catherine, that in terms of bonuses, projected payouts, investment banking advisory is top of the list.”
Volatility's Role in Trading
6:27 to 8:19
The importance of volatility for trading desks and market-making firms.
“What's going on with headcount on Global Wall Street?”
Restaurant Earnings and Market Analysis
9:56 to 14:03
Insights into restaurant earnings and strategies in the current market.
“The thing about AI for business, it may not automatically fit the way your business works.”
Beef Cost Trends and Shake Shack's Strategy
14:03 to 16:05
Learn how beef cost trends are impacting Shake Shack and their response strategies.
“and they can offer price points to, you know, like I've been mentioning, whereas their competitors just can't.”
Warner Brothers Discovery Earnings and Future
19:03 to 22:32
Understand Warner Brothers Discovery's financial performance and future strategies post-acquisition.
“Copyright 2026, JPMorgan Chase and Company.”
Peloton's Profitability and Growth Challenges
22:32 to 25:31
Examine Peloton's earnings report and the challenges they face in subscriber growth.
“I never understood why they used the word Max in the app name.”
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Arm Holdings and Semiconductor Insights
27:31 to 28:00
Get insights into Arm Holdings' performance and the semiconductor industry's outlook.
“Chase for Business knows how much heart and effort go into building something of your own.”
Analyzing Arm Holdings' Market Response
28:46 to 31:48
Discussion on Arm Holdings' earnings report and market reactions.
“Let's get back to the earnings land right now.”
The Competitive Landscape for Arm
31:48 to 33:30
Exploration of competition in the chip market and implications for Arm.
“But the good thing for them is, you know, they are here to coming from a zero share basis, right?”
Memory Chip Shortages and Industry Impact
33:30 to 35:30
Insight into memory chip shortages and their effects on various markets.
“I mean, and is this just a function of time?”
Transcript
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2:22Oh, my God, I need readership this month or this quarter or this year. Write a story on Wall Street bonuses.
2:28Scarlet Fu:Yeah. Well, we have one today. It's Wall Street poise for bonus increases in year of the bank. So you can bet a lot of people are clicking on that story. Catherine Doherty is the author of that story. She's our Bloomberg News finance reporter. Catherine, it is only May, but the folks you talk to say that there's been some banner deals in the first part of the year that has led them to conclude already that it's going to be a big, big year for bonuses. That's right. And we should caveat by saying it's still early in the year. So things could change. But right now the projections are looking pretty rosy.
3:00And that's because the long awaited comeback of deals, you've started to see that come through. We do have the big banks. They have just reported their first quarter. The second quarter looks to be pretty steady. So if the second half of the year takes a turn for the worse, that could change these projections. But right now it looks like the payout, especially for M &A advisory, equity underwriting, quite strong. And as we've been talking about the volumes that you've been seeing across equities and fixed income, as far as trading goes, those traders that are facilitating the buying and selling are also poised to see a pretty hefty payout if things continue as they've been going.
3:44Yeah. And we've just seen so much underwriting of public debt for the for the technology companies, IPO market kicking up. And then we're, I guess, still on the docket for some time, maybe towards the end of the second half of this year for some mega IPOs. Yes. SpaceX and so, I mean, you can certainly if you wanted to project out some pretty big fees for these guys. Yes. But that is also with the assumption that those IPOs come through. I think that that's if If all things continue in these deals actually see the light of day, then yes, these bankers who are facilitating them will see their pay bump increase.
4:24But if they don't, then we could see a reversal. Don't expect any huge declines. But in terms of the 10 to 20 percent plus year over year increase that is projected right now, that is considering that all of these things kind of fall into place in the way that everyone would hope. Because the way we used to do it when I worked on the street was you used around December, you'd have the really, really big discussion about how much bonus pool actually was going to be. And you use November actuals and December projected. And that's what you use to set up your bonus pool. You're accruing for it all year.
4:59But to say who gets what. So that's right. And there's a lot of months between now and December. Again, I've been sitting on the wrong side of the seat when my boss will come in and say, yeah, we had a great year, but we had a terrible month last month. So we're going to be cautious here.
5:11Scarlet Fu:Like what? There's always a reason for the managers to say that to come up with some angle. If you click on MA Go on the Bloomberg terminal, it gives you a snapshot of mergers and acquisitions and one point eight trillion dollars of announced deals so far this year. That's up almost 36 percent from the same time a year ago. So I'm guessing, Catherine, that in terms of bonuses, projected payouts, investment banking advisory is top of the list. Yes. I think that right now, and that's from a year ago, that is not the discussion that we would have been having. I think that, again, there were so many months and quarters that the narrative was the long-awaited comeback of deals.
5:52Now we're actually starting to see that come through. But it hasn't been quarter after quarter. this has only been really the end of last year and the beginning of this year that we have actually seen the numbers. And if the rest of the year falls into place, again, as projected, the pipeline is healthy, is what executives have been saying, then yes, we might see that these numbers do follow actually the numbers that you're pointing out on the terminal, which is the actual deal flow that the bankers are working on. And that's why and how they get paid. What's going on with headcount on Global Wall Street?
6:29Is this, you know, I'm thinking that AI could be a negative impact for headcount on Wall Street. What are we seeing so far? So executives were asked about this during first quarter earnings, and a lot of them echoed the same sentiment, which is that right now headcount is flat and AI is helping and making bankers more efficient. but right now it also, it hasn't led to that next step that everyone is expecting, which is headcount reduction. Um, a lot of the executives are saying yes, are, are, and it's not just their bankers just across the entire company, their executives are getting more efficient, but that's allowing them to work on more deals.
7:13It's allowing them to, uh, to increase revenue, but not hire as much as they might. So instead of cutting folks right now, I think the narrative is more talking about keeping things flat.
7:25Scarlet Fu:We look at the markets and record highs for the S &P 500, the Nasdaq, and we come back to this theme over and over again of there's so many headwinds, yet stocks just continue to move north. So far, the volatility that we've seen has not been negative for trading desks. During those earnings calls, did anyone talk about the turn in volatility, how it can go from good to bad quickly? Good to bad volatility is kind of what you need to narrow in on, right? Because at the end of the day, if you are on one of these bank trading desks and you're just facilitating and helping your clients reposition, volatility is a good thing.
8:01So up until now, it's been good volatility if we are distinguishing between good and bad. And it's the same for the market-making firms outside of the banks, they've really been setting, topping their own records year after year. And so I don't believe, and it really, if you go into different asset classes, equities has been kind of the strongest across the board, but fixed income follows close behind.
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10:42You got some earnings coming out of some of the restaurants here. McDonald's, Shake Shack. I mean, my McDonald's orders have been the same since like 1978. It's a number two with a Coke. Quarter pounder with cheese and a Coke. I mean, it's been the same way since. You don't extra size it or anything? You know, if I have to do say anything other than number two with a Coke, then I'm inconvenienced, you know, and I've been doing that way since 1978, I think. So let's go to Mike Kalen. He knows what he's talking about here about these restaurants, senior restaurant and food service analysts. Hey, Mike, let's start with McDonald's.
11:13How are they doing with their business? Yeah. So, you know, what we wrote today was that they're trying to walk a tightrope right now. They're comping some very strong results, you know, over the last over a year ago, starting in 2Q. But they're trying to do that with value, which which risks a trade down from some of your consumers that are doing a little bit better. So, you know, sequentially, same star sales and growth rates are going to are going to decelerate starting in the second quarter. they become very aggressive on value and i think that's a big part of the reason why all of the restaurant stocks not all but most restaurant stocks are down and down significantly today they're being as aggressive as i've ever seen them on value they have a dollar fifty sausage mcmuffin right now at 250 mcdouble they have three dollar breakfast meals four dollar meals at other times of the day.
12:17This is as aggressive as I've ever seen them. I think that's much cheaper. And, you know, they're doing it, I think, for two reasons. Number one, they smell blood in the water. Jack in the box and Wendy's, you know, same store sales were down mid single digits last year. So those two chains who they, you know, obviously compete directly with are struggling mightily. And also who's got more and better data than they do. And they see that low income consumers are, which were really struggling last year, you know, could really feel it this year as inflation accelerates again.
12:53Scarlet Fu:So what I also noticed, Michael, is that McDonald's has a new lineup of specialty drinks. What are the financials behind the beverage category versus the food category? I'm guessing higher margins, perhaps bringing in lower demographics as a benefit? Yeah. So a part of this, you know, beverages is big and a big reason why it's big is that it's high margin. So, yeah, McDonald's is hoping to increase drink attachment rates to the orders or hoping to get some business in the afternoon. People looking for a pick me up. Right. They're going to do some Red Bull drinks in the second half. So that's also part of their strategy to try to lap very strong same store sales.
13:41I don't think it's a bad idea, but trying to lap very strong comps with value and low price items is just difficult to do. And I'm saying this about McDonald's and things are slowing there, but they're still best equipped to deal with a downturn in the consumer because they have more scale than anyone. and they can offer price points to, you know, like I've been mentioning, whereas their competitors just can't. Nobody buys, I would think, not too many entities out there buy more beef than McDonald's does. What do they say about the cost trends of beef and is there any relief in sight here? Yeah, Shake Shack and McDonald's both talked about it.
14:26Beef inflation is expected to moderate, right? It was, I think, mid-teens in the first quarter. And it's more impactful to Shake Shack's bottom line because they own a majority of their restaurants. But, yeah, it's expected to moderate throughout the year, maybe averaging high single-digit inflation for full year 2026. So still elevated, not as bad as we saw in the fourth quarter, which was high teens or mid-teens in the first quarter. It's going to moderate through year end and we should should settle out around high school digits.
14:59Scarlet Fu:How does Shake Shack counter rising beef costs? I mean, its entire business model is based on hamburgers. Does it just kind of lean more into chicken burgers and build out that that offering? Well, they're leaning into ribs. They have the first baby back rib sandwich they've had on the menu. You know, it's two ways. First of all, you know, I think there was some low hanging fruit in this in this company. You know, I don't think it was the most efficiently run business for for quite some time. And so management has done a good job over recent quarters being much more efficient with labor. So that's offset some of the costs.
15:39And then moving forward, it's going to be more about supply chain and productivity in the restaurants. Right. So, you know, those are going to be the two areas that they're looking. looking at, you know, but, you know, they're expecting some same-store sales growth and that's the best way to boost your margins, right? It's just driving more foot traffic through your store. So they're still confident that they can drive at least some restaurant margin expansion here in 2026. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Intelligence coming up after this. A business gift is never just a gift. It's a thank you, a milestone, a moment of appreciation.
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19:17Scarlet Fu:Listen on demand wherever you get your podcasts or watch us live on YouTube. All right, we got some earnings out there and including some media companies, Warner Brothers Discovery, Peloton's out there, Geetha Ranganathan, she covers all the media stuff for Bloomberg Intelligence. She's not into this silly wellness stuff. She's a player. Warner Brothers Discovery, Geetha, they reported numbers. They're just about to get acquired by Paramount Skydance. What do we learn about Warner Brothers Discovery's business? Yeah, things are going along pretty nicely, Paul, for Warner Brothers Discovery. As expected, we did see plenty of weakness in the linear TV network division.
19:54Scarlet Fu:I mean, this was well telegraphed by the company. Part of this is, of course, just the structural weakness in TV advertising. But more importantly, and specifically for Warner, it was the lack of NBA. And so we saw TV advertising fall about 11 percent, but it's going to get far worse in the second quarter, where they've guided to about a 20 percent decline. But the other parts of the business, the parts of the business that investors are most excited about, and especially Paramount Skydance is most excited about, which is the studios and the streaming business, is actually doing really, really well.
20:26Scarlet Fu:So the good thing that we saw with streaming was that they added a lot of subscribers for HBO Max as part of their international expansion efforts. So they've expanded into a lot of European markets. And more importantly, it's not just subscriber growth. It's that they're tracking really well ahead of expectations in terms of profitability. So they already achieved fairly strong profitability last year with$1.3 billion for their streaming unit. Looks like they'll get maybe close to even$2 billion this year. You know, the estimates came up really nicely. And then Studio, again, doing pretty well as well.
21:02Scarlet Fu:Has there ever been any discussion at Warner Brothers about maybe creating tiers within HBO, you know, where you might have advertising and the shows might be broken up with commercials? So that is already there. We do have an ad tier for, you know, the HBO Max product. I mean, this was part of this whole wave of all of these different streaming platforms introducing ads started out with, you know, Netflix and Disney Plus and then Max. So it is slightly cheaper. But HBO shows like Broken Up, The Sopranos will be interrupted by commercials. Ah, yeah, yeah. Okay. They do license it out that way.
21:42Scarlet Fu:So I think, again, I'm not really sure what exactly the Warner Brothers team is going to do. I think at this point, Scarlett, it might be a little bit immaterial. I think the big focus right now is what Paramount is going to do with this asset, because they are pretty much on the verge of closing the deals, supposed to happen sometime in third quarter. And we're still unclear whether they're going to operate this as two separate platforms, Paramount Plus and HBO Max, or whether they're kind of going to consolidate it, what they're going to name the new product. All of that is still kind of a little bit unclear.
22:14Scarlet Fu:But the one thing that we are clear about is Paramount is acquiring a very strong asset and an asset that has really delivered a whole string of hits this year for HBO Max. And remember, the big thing coming a little bit later this year for HBO Max is the new Harry Potter series. So a lot of excitement, a lot of buzz around that. I never understood why they used the word Max in the app name. Like it just confused me. Because HBO was deemed by some people on the right as being too woke and too Hollywood-ish. So Max brought it back to Earth? Yes, that was the reason. Okay, but then it just confused everyone.
22:50Scarlet Fu:Exactly. It was a terrible decision. And HBO, the branding on its own is so powerful. In terms of content spend, Geetha, is that something that Paramount is going to stick to? I mean, HBO is known for being willing to spend on content. Is David Ellison willing to spend in the same way? He is absolutely willing to spend. So they have outlined$6 billion in synergies, Scarlett, but none of those cuts are going to come on the content spend side. So we're looking at a combined programming budget for both those companies at about$30,$32 billion. That is the highest in the industry. And remember, Paramount, even before they went and acquired Warner Brothers, really did a whole host of different content deals.
23:30Scarlet Fu:We had that really important deal with Duffer Brothers. We had the South Park streaming rights deal where they're paying something like$1.5 billion. We had the UFC deal, which was, you know, close to almost$8 billion over a period of seven years. So David Ellison is not holding back. He's made this commitment to have 30 film releases. That's basically doubling the output at both the studios starting next year. he's saying all the right things and doing all the right things as far as Hollywood is concerned right now from a content investment perspective. Geetha Karen from the Jersey Shore writes in, asks about Peloton.
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24:04I know they released some earnings. We got the Peloton, we got the bike, we got the tread, we got it all. So what's going on there?
24:12Scarlet Fu:So this is a story where, you know, we've seen consistent progress in terms of profitability metrics. So again, we had a quarter where they really reported strong numbers when it came to EBITDA. When it came to free cash flow, they raised their free cash flow targets pretty significantly. I mean, this was a company that just a few years ago was burning a lot of cash. So they've definitely right-sized their cost base, lots of cost savings initiatives. All of that is going well. But really, the ultimate story, I think, for Peloton is, are they going to be able to turn around the demand story? And that is where we really have a tough time kind kind of getting behind this name because, you know, the consumer demand for connected fitness just doesn't seem to be there.
24:57Scarlet Fu:I mean, in terms of existing subscribers, yes, they're hanging on to them. But in terms of attracting new subscribers, we're really not seeing much traction there at all. Yeah, it's not a growth story. Is Peloton a content company or a hardware company? Very quickly. It is actually a mix of both. So they're trying to really kind of shift the narrative from being a hardware company to a subscription-based company. And I think they've done a pretty successful job. But again, it's coming down to growth in subscribers, and they really aren't getting much progress there. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg Intelligence coming up after this.
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28:50Kunjan Sobani joins us here at Bloomberg Intelligence, senior semiconductor analyst. We had Arm Holdings. They reported, I guess, some weakness in their phone business. But they do have some AI tailwinds as well. the stock's trading off here today on the news. Let's go to Kunjan Asobani. Kunjan, talk to us about Arm Holdings. What did you hear today? Yeah, this was a roller coaster of a stock ride. So if you look at the reaction post-market, the stock was up at 1.8 to 9 % and is now down equally the same amount. What people initially really liked is, just for context, just six weeks ago, this is an IP company, does not sell chips until recently.
29:28Just six weeks ago, they had their coming out party that they are going to enter the chip selling business. And they guided revenue for their new AI server CPU chip to one billion of revenue in the fiscal 28, which is really a proxy for fiscal 27. So next year, just within six weeks yesterday, they came in and said the demand was now two billion. So investors really love that. I mean, in a matter of six weeks, you double your demand for one year out is amazing as a brand new chip selling company. I think what they didn't like is towards the end of the call, the management said, we are still going to keep the same outlook of one billion because we don't know if we will have supply to meet that.
30:09So that was sort of a really getting excited and let down moment. Other than that, in terms of the numbers they reported, there was nothing really to scream about. You know, everyone is aware handsets are having weakness. They are almost immune to that because of their content in a richer handset mix and they get the newer generation of IP gets them a lot more dollar per chip. So their business is still likely to grow through the year while other handset makers are going to see that happens.
30:38Scarlet Fu:So Arm Holdings is run by Rene Haas. And what's interesting here, Kunjan, is that he's got a side hustle, I think. He also has a role leading SoftBank Group International. How does that work? How does he do both jobs? Yeah, so he has been the CEO for Arm for many years. The new role that you're referring to is a sort of a new incident. Look, this is that SoftBank just tells you the amount of trust and the reliance SoftBank has on Arm now. They have been their initial investors. They have been all SoftBank. I think it's still the largest holder of Arm. And this bodes really well for ARM shareholders, especially now that it's going into the chip making or the chip selling business.
31:24Having that seat running sort of the AI semiconductor strategy for Safbank, which, again, is a very important semiconductor company now when you think about outside the U.S., that really bodes well for ARM shareholders. holders. Kunjan, what's the street's consensus or belief here at this early, early stage of this entrance into the chip business? Because I think there's some established players there. It's kind of a competitive business, as I understand it. It is. But the good thing for them is, you know, they are here to coming from a zero share basis, right? So even a few percentage of share pickup on a very big and large growing market.
32:02Remember, even the x86 guys who are the incumbents, the Intel and AMD have doubled their TAM in less than six months. So the pie is like growing 2x in a very short amount of time. So even if ARM grabs a few single percentage points of share here, this is billions of dollars of new revenue for them, which they didn't have. So we see it as quite positive for them, despite the rising competition.
32:25Scarlet Fu:Memory chip makers have been super in demand. Their share prices reflect the shortage of memory chips, the most basic memory chips because all of them are moving towards high bandwidth memory chips. What does that transition in the memory chip industry mean for a company like ARM? Well, they are seeing that pinpoint, right? The first end market that is being squeezed because of this is the smartphones, right? And again, today still smartphone is their biggest royalty business. So they are seeing that impact. Like I said, fortunately for them, the stage they are in, the royalty they are getting per chip is sort of keeping that impact softened, but they are definitely seeing that impact.
33:08The next market that could see a squeeze here could be PC markets, right? So the top market, which is the data center market, is of course going to get all the priority. Arm is pivoting to increase a lot more revenues coming from data center market, whether it's on the IP side, whether it's on the chip side. So we don't see, other than smartphone headwinds, we don't see a lot of impact to other markets for Arm. And this chip, just broadly speaking, Kujan, talk to us about this memory chip shortage. What's the status? I mean, and is this just a function of time? The chip makers make more chips?
33:43Yes and no. It's a combination of both. So if you think about memory, right, typically it's been one of the most cyclical in the semiconductor. It's similar to a lot more of a big manufacturing business, right, where the memory makers don't usually go ahead and install more capacity because of the risk of losses when the cycles return. Where we have come to this inflection because of AI is just the memory demand has superseded any prior expectation. So we don't see this really going away anytime soon. It's not very easy. Yes, the memory makers are installing new capacity and working every day to get more capacity up, but it takes time.
34:22And we don't think this is just going to turn around anytime soon.
34:26Scarlet Fu:I look at the Philadelphia Semiconductor Index and the move up has been incredible. I mean, since March 30th, it's been a straight line up. And I know it's off about 1 % today, but it's pretty much sitting at record highs. What's the next catalyst, Kunjan, to keep this thing going? I mean, look, the demand numbers have been continued to increase for the last four quarters. and what we saw, especially after the war started in the Middle East, that SOX was not doing much despite the numbers that kept on going up and up. So, we now are seeing a little bit of a phenomenon where the risk on trade has come back and investors are now reacting to all of those numbers uplift.
35:08I think catalysts growing up from here are going to be much harder. I mean, it could surprise us like the CPU makers did surprise us this earnings season. But again, you know, most of the numbers continue to stay high. We do think they will continue to go up in terms of fundamentals and expectations. But right now, I think the big catalysts are going to be clarity on the 2028 numbers.
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