In short
The rise of daily fantasy sports as a legal workaround, the FanDuel vs DraftKings rivalry, and how antitrust and gambling-related scrutiny killed their 2016 merger. It follows Nigel Eccles (FanDuel) and Jason Robbins (DraftKings) from early pivots to real-money wagering, through ad wars, league/network partnerships, insider-trading scandals, state/federal investigations, and the FTC’s June 2017 block.
Guests (named in the episode)
None. The episode includes paid celebrity spokespeople (e.g., Joe Montana) but no interview guests.
Guest backgrounds (if treated as “guests”): Joe Montana is a Hall of Fame NFL quarterback and a FanDuel celebrity spokesperson.
Key claims
Daily fantasy was treated as “games of skill” to avoid gambling laws; FanDuel and DraftKings spent heavily on customer acquisition; regulators increasingly viewed daily fantasy as gambling; the FTC blocked the merger because it would create ~90% share in a defined daily-fantasy market.
Notable examples
2015 $750M ad war; 2015 DraftKings employee Ethan Haskell data leak and cross-site playing; New York AG Eric Schneiderman actions and $6M settlements; Nevada license requirement; FTC block of the 50-50 merger; post-merger user slowdown and “top 1%” winning most prizes.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOFanDuel's Challenges Post-Merger Block
0:29 to 3:08
Discussion of FanDuel CEO Nigel Eccles's response to the FTC blocking the merger with DraftKings.
“FanDuel CEO Nigel Eccles walks the green of an indoor mini-golf course inside Rockefeller Center.”
The Rise of Sports Betting and Daily Fantasy
3:59 to 6:58
Overview of the sports betting landscape and the emergence of daily fantasy sports.
“From Audible Originals, I'm David Brown, and this is Business Wars.”
Nigel Eccles and the Birth of FanDuel
6:58 to 14:00
The story of Nigel Eccles's journey from HubDub to founding FanDuel.
“This is Episode 1, The Enemy of My Enemy.”
The Birth of FanDuel
14:00 to 15:17
Learn about the inception of FanDuel and its early strategies for success.
“until they've created their own proprietary version.”
DraftKings Emerges
15:17 to 17:16
Discover the early challenges and strategies of DraftKings as it enters the market.
“In 1969, when police tried to shut down a gay bar in New York City's Greenwich Village, they expected little resistance.”
The Battle for Market Share
17:16 to 20:01
Examine how DraftKings and FanDuel competed for dominance in daily fantasy sports.
“They're saying they're bigger, so I don't really under...”
Response to Competition
20:01 to 22:09
Learn about DraftKings' bold public response to FanDuel's accusations.
“when he, Lieberman, and Kalish decided to build their own platform.”
Growing Partnerships
22:09 to 26:39
Explore how partnerships with sports leagues and networks shape the industry.
“When DraftKings publicly thumbed its nose at FanDuel in the pages of Forbes, it was tantamount to a declaration of war.”
The Advertising Arms Race
26:39 to 28:00
Understand the escalating marketing war between FanDuel and DraftKings.
“and tying daily fantasy odds to reporting can lead to broadcasts that sound a lot like ads.”
The User Acquisition War Intensifies
28:00 to 30:04
Learn about the advertising battle between FanDuel and DraftKings during the NFL season.
“And this user acquisition war plays out very publicly.”
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The Data Leak Scandal
30:04 to 33:18
Discover the controversy surrounding DraftKings' data leak and its implications.
“Now think about the economics of that for a second.”
Legal Challenges and Lobbying Efforts
33:18 to 36:24
Explore how FanDuel and DraftKings face legal scrutiny and adapt their strategies.
“by one Eric Schneiderman, New York's Attorney General.”
The Cost of Legal Battles
36:24 to 38:32
Understand the financial implications of legal challenges for both companies.
“Get proactive in establishing legal protections for daily fantasy.”
The Merger Attempt: FanDuel and DraftKings Unite
42:00 to 46:32
Explore the details and implications of the proposed merger between FanDuel and DraftKings.
“Joining forces means we can stop burning capital trying to bury each other.”
The Failed Merger and Its Consequences
46:32 to 48:27
Understand the aftermath of the merger failure and its impact on both companies.
“and as the 2017 football season gets underway, FanDuel and DraftKings find themselves neck and neck in a race that is only getting harder.”
The Future of Fantasy Sports vs. Sports Betting
48:27 to 48:50
Analyze the potential changes in the industry as legal sports betting looms.
“One that could make sports betting legal nationwide.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:28Hey, Business Wars fans, have you heard?
0:35It's July 2017 in New York City. FanDuel CEO Nigel Eccles walks the green of an indoor mini-golf course inside Rockefeller Center. Eccles is a blonde Northern Irishman with a boyish face that makes him look younger than his 42 years. He's not strolling this golf course for fun. He's here for a FanDuel event to publicize that customers can now access golf tournaments on his daily Fantasy Sports app. Eccles smiles and takes questions from reporters, trailed by Hall of Fame NFL quarterback Joe Montana, one of the company's many paid celebrity spokespeople. But not all of the reporters' questions are holes in one.
1:14They want to know what will happen now that one of FanDuel's most consequential deals, a merger with its cheap competitor DraftKings, has publicly imploded. Mr. Eccles, are you worried now that the Federal Trade Commission has blocked the merger? We're evaluating our options. We want what's best for FanDuel and our more than 6 million users. And, of course, to stay within the bounds of U.S. federal law. Does that mean FanDuel and DraftKings will adapt the terms of the deal to satisfy the FTC? Or is FanDuel prepared to walk away? That's all still on the table. Eccles' tone is reassuring, but inside, his mind is churning.
1:56The initial shock of the FTC's decision has worn off, but what's replaced it is worse. Uncertainty. All those months of negotiating, and for what? All for the FTC to shut it down? There's certainly no love lost between Eccles and the Boston-based DraftKings. FanDuel essentially launched Daily Fantasy back in 2009 and spent years doing the heavy lifting of building an industry. DraftKings showed up three years later with one goal, to take everything FanDuel had built. Recently, though, FanDuel and DraftKings have found a reason to come together. They face challenges from regulators over whether Daily Fantasy is just gambling by another name.
2:43They've battled the New York attorney general, statewide bans and large settlement fees that have threatened both companies' cash reserves. By November 2016, a merger between the two companies started to make sense. Even the reluctant Eccles could see that. But now, the Federal Trade Commission has voted to block the merger on antitrust grounds, leaving Eccles to ponder his next move. For now at least, FanDuel and DraftKings will remain bitter rivals, locked in an advertising battle with no end in sight. But less than a year from now, the entire landscape of daily fantasy will change. And what's coming next will make his current worries feel like child's play.
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4:28From Audible Originals, I'm David Brown, and this is Business Wars.
4:55Any casual sports fan knows that sports betting is everywhere. Even if you don't partake yourself, you can't miss the steady stream of commercials on every station. Or the betting app logos plastered everywhere from the field to athletes' jerseys. Right now, sports betting is dominated by two companies, FanDuel and DraftKings. Together, they control around 80 % of the sports betting market. But getting to this current moment took years and many uphill legal battles. because until 2018, gambling on sports was banned almost everywhere in the United States. If you wanted to bet on, say, the NBA Finals or the World Cup semis, your choices were few.
5:40You could go to Las Vegas, use an unlicensed bookie, or keep your wager quiet in between friends. These restrictions gave rise to a peculiar workaround, daily fantasy sports. Instead of betting directly on a game's outcome, you could draft hypothetical player lineups and win or lose based on their real-world performance. It was a way to bet without technically betting, exploiting a legal gray area that most regulators hadn't caught up to yet. And two startups, one from Edinburgh, one from Boston, seized that loophole and turned it into a multi-billion-dollar industry. Along the way, they spent hundreds of millions of dollars trying to destroy each other in an all-out advertising war, one that played out on TV screens and web browsers around North America.
6:33The barrage of ads became so unavoidable, it put FanDuel and DraftKings directly in the crosshairs of state and federal regulators. What follows is a story of legal loopholes, unlikely alliances, and a rivalry so vicious that even when survival required working together, they could barely stand to be in the same room. This is Episode 1, The Enemy of My Enemy.
7:09It's 2009, and Nigel Eccles is on a 10-hour international flight. At this point, Eccles is co-founder of the tech startup Hubdub. He and his co-workers, including his wife Leslie, are on their way to the South by Southwest conference in Austin, Texas. But despite the promise of mild weather, lively music, and plentiful networking opportunities, the mood in the flight cabin is anything but sunny. HubDub is on its last legs, and they all know it. You might say HubDub is an idea ahead of its time. It's an online prediction market that lets people wager on the outcome of current events. Last year, the company made waves by partnering with Reuters during the 2008 presidential election.
7:55But the partnership hasn't been enough to make the app profitable. And that's because using the app is free, and the money wagered on HubDub isn't real. To stay on the right side of U.S. gambling laws, the app is only for entertainment. The bets are just for bragging rights, at least for now. Eccles envisions that one day users can pay for a premium service that upgrades their experience with more features. Until then, HubDub has been relying on VC funding and a trickle of ad revenue to survive. And now, well, it's almost out of runway. So as the minutes on his long, uncomfortable flight tick by, Eccles is doing some light reading.
8:39He's perusing the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, or UIGEA. It's a sweeping U.S. law passed in 2006 that bans banks and credit card companies from working with real-money betting sites. It's the reason Hubdub can't monetize. And Eccles is wondering if there's some way around it. Eccles is no stranger to the UIGEA. He started his career in online gaming. Born and raised on a dairy farm in Northern Ireland, he went to university in Scotland before getting a job at a UK betting startup. Even back in the early 2000s, Eccles could see that the sheer size of the American betting market made it worth trying to break into.
9:21Because at the time, the US was in the midst of the online poker boom. When the amateur poker player Chris Moneymaker won the online 2003 World Series of Poker, thousands of everyday players suddenly believed they could do the same. Online poker rooms rushed to meet the demand, and within a few years, it was a global, multi-billion-dollar business. Then, Eccles watched that poker boom go bust with the passage of the UIGEA in 2006. Online poker rooms were suddenly banned across America. Billions gone in a puff of regulation. Eccles knows it wouldn't be difficult to pivot HubDub's existing infrastructure from using play money to using real money.
10:05But the UIGEA isn't going anywhere. To build a product that's viable in the U.S., he'll have to find a loophole. And as Eccles reads the statute, at last, an idea appears.
10:25Eccles' idea revolves around the legal distinction between games of skill and games of chance. According to the UIGEA, games of skill are allowed, games of chance are not. The law classifies poker as a chance game, making it illegal. Ask any professional poker player about this and you're bound to get an earful. because, as they've long pointed out, poker involves much more skill than chance. But another online pastime involving wagers remained perfectly explicitly legal. That's fantasy sports. The concept has been around for decades, ever since the first Rotisserie Baseball League was founded in 1980.
11:11By the 2000s, millions of regular folks were playing virtual GM to a roster of real-life players. There's fantasy baseball, football, basketball, hockey, Formula One. If someone in the real world plays it, you can probably play a fantasy version of it. And you can put real money on the line, too, using websites hosted by companies like CBS Sports and ESPN. Fantasy sports have been exempt from U.S. anti-gambling laws since the late 90s, when the pastime first went online and Congress had to decide how to regulate it. Several senators spoke in favor of making fantasy leagues distinct, noting that these games are mostly recreational, played with friends, and that league dues and administrative fees aren't the same thing as placing bets.
12:01Those exemptions stuck when the UIGEA was passed nearly a decade later. This specific legal carve-out for fantasy? That's about to become the basis of Eccles' big pivot. In 2007, a poker player named Chris Fargus started a blog called Instant Fantasy Sports. It resembled the online poker rooms he used to love, only instead of running card games, it ran rapid-fire short-term drafts of fantasy sports teams, combining the mechanics of poker with the fun of fantasy sports. It became popular but niche, used mostly among gamblers in the know. It's the perfect underlying idea for HubDub's next play. When Eccles and his HubDub co-workers land in Austin, they conduct a series of snap interviews with HubDub customers who also play season-long fantasy games.
12:56Over many conversations, one takeaway becomes clear. HubDub users have exactly the right temperaments to get into instant fantasy. These users like the action of prediction markets, but find the regular fantasy season too long and too vulnerable to bad luck or injury. You can do months of research looking at rookie prospects and projected player stats to draft the perfect team, but if your RB1, that's your lead running back, ruptures a tendon, well, your fantasy season is over. And so is that running back's football season in real life. But an instant fantasy offering would let gamers draft new players every week.
13:39or even every day, to assemble the lineup they think will beat their opponents. It's instant gratification. And unlike Hubdub, this new product could accept real money wagers and take a 10 % commission on each matchup. Eccles and his team tweak and elaborate on the concept until they've created their own proprietary version. They call it Daily Fantasy Sports. The idea sounds great to investors, especially the part about a clear path to profitability. In just a couple of months, Eccles and his co-founders raise$1.2 million in venture capital. And in July 2009, the Fantasy Sports spinoff officially launches, with headquarters in Edinburgh.
14:29They call it FanDuel. The company moves quickly, enticing customers with tiered contests, structured not unlike the World Series of Poker. Winning a qualifying round gives users a chance to access bigger and bigger prizes. In December 2010, FanDuel holds its first-ever Fantasy Football Championship in Las Vegas, giving 10 qualifying participants the chance to win up to$40 ,000. The tournament whets customers' appetites for more daily fantasy games. Because the more you participate, the more access you get to big prizes. FanDuel and the industry it spawned are off and running. But with any new industry comes competition.
15:16And Arrival is on its way into the arena.
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16:48It's March. 2014 in Boston, Massachusetts, a stone's throw away from Fenway Park. In the corporate headquarters of DraftKings, CEO Jason Robbins is with a colleague reading a piece from Forbes. And the more he reads, the more agitated he gets. Are they being serious right now? What is their problem? Says here, FanDuel wants us to stop saying we're the number one destination for daily fantasy, or that we have the largest weekly cash pools. They're saying they're bigger, so I don't really under... So they hit us with a cease and desist? Well, technically, all they've done so far is tell a reporter they're going to hit us with a cease and desist.
17:31Robbins is 33 years old with short, dark hair and a flat, nasal voice that can make it hard to tell when he's agitated. But this Forbes article has definitely gotten under his skin. In the piece, a FanDuel executive accuses DraftKings of making misleading claims in its promotional materials. To prove it, FanDuel has provided hard numbers on the size of their user base, over 768 ,000 lifetime user registrations, and annual revenue of more than$2.8 million. DraftKings, they say, has far less. If DraftKings doesn't back off its claims of being number one, FanDuel plans to sue. But to Robbins, a little advertising braggadocio is all part of the game.
18:21Sure, DraftKings might not technically be bigger. After all, FanDuel had a three-year head start. DraftKings only launched in 2012. But over the past two years, DraftKings has been building real momentum, pushing aggressively into more sports categories every day. FanDuel has been more cautious, sticking to traditional fantasy offerings, and avoiding individual player sports like NASCAR, mixed martial arts, or tennis. After all, a fantasy football roster might have 15 player slots. It takes skill to put it together. Whereas selecting a single tennis player to win a match is closer to a coin flip or chance.
19:04It toes the line between fantasy and gambling. But cautious isn't in Robbins' vocabulary. DraftKings is all about adding more categories, more prizes, more action, more everything. If that doesn't make it number one, what does? It feels like Robbins and his co-founders Paul Lieberman and Matt Kalish have always had their foot on the gas. They met in the tech world as mid-level data analysts and engineers at the online printing company Vistaprint. It was honest work, but dull. Robbins craves excitement. He loves roller coasters and, not coincidentally, high-stakes poker. Naturally, he was drawn to the heart-pounding world of daily fantasy.
19:50He and his friends were avid daily fantasy players themselves. and they designed DraftKings as a platform for fans by fans. This, Robbins believed, would be their edge when he, Lieberman, and Kalish decided to build their own platform. Over at FanDuel, Nigel Eccles doesn't even use his own product. For months, Robbins and his co-founders gathered after work in Lieberman's Watertown, Massachusetts apartment, working on a challenger to FanDuel. Raising capital was slow going at first, but essential to DraftKings' early strategy. They'd need money, a lot of it, to woo FanDuel users over to their site.
20:35Within a few months of its founding, DraftKings landed a$1.4 million seed round, led by a venture firm based near Boston. After that, the next rounds got easier. By November 2013, DraftKings' total raise was about$35 million. Now, in 2014, the company is already eyeing its first corporate acquisition, another daily fantasy company called DraftStreet. The acquisition will grow DraftKings' user base and put the company in a stronger position against FanDuel. Robbins looks at the Forbes article again, then smiles. You know what? This could actually be good for us. Let's draft a response. The sooner the better.
21:23A few days later, Forbes publishes DraftKings' reply. It has an unapologetic, teasing tone, as if mocking FanDuel for even thinking about legal action. Here's an excerpt. DraftKings is a leading provider of daily fantasy sports with a momentum that is largely unmatched. It is understandable that this would cause some distress and move FanDuel to attempt to halt our ascent by any means necessary. And while we at DraftKings can appreciate the reasons why FanDuel may have felt the need to take such a fanciful approach to competition, this type of frivolity only serves to undermine consumer confidence and weaken the entire industry.
22:07Translation? We're not scared of you. You should be scared of us.
22:29When DraftKings publicly thumbed its nose at FanDuel in the pages of Forbes, it was tantamount to a declaration of war. Competition between the two daily fantasy companies gathers steam throughout 2014. They trade funding rounds like a game of high-speed tennis. In late August 2014, DraftKings announces a$41 million round, bringing its total outside money raised to$75 million. One week later, FanDuel fires back with a$70 million round of its own. It's biggest yet. FanDuel is still the bigger company, with more users and more money raised overall, but DraftKings is gaining on them fast. Perhaps more importantly, both companies seem to be neck and neck when it comes to partnership deals with sports leagues.
23:20In just a single week in November 2014, DraftKings unveils a league-wide partnership with the National Hockey League, FanDuel inks an overall four-year deal with the National Basketball Association. DraftKings announces their own distinct partnership with one of those NBA teams, the Dallas Mavericks. And FanDuel reveals plans for a marketing agreement with Washington's NFL team. Meanwhile, DraftKings has already been working with the NFL team in their own backyard, the New England Patriots. Got all that? One week. These partnerships are not limited to advertisements. They often come with a financial stake in the fantasy platforms.
24:05When DraftKings became the official daily fantasy platform for Major League Baseball in 2013, equity came along with it. In other words, MLB became a DraftKings investor. Now, this is a massive change from the attitude professional sports leagues used to have about sports betting. Game of skill or not, most people have realized that daily fantasy looks and feels a lot like gambling. For years, NBA's former commissioner David Stern called gambling a great evil and a danger to the sport. But his successor, Adam Silver, embraces daily fantasy and gambling itself as a way for fans to engage with all the teams in his league, not just their hometown heroes.
24:51Here's Silver explaining his thinking to USA Today. Whether it's looking at the point spreads in your paper and others and hearing sports commentators constantly talking about who's favored or not, there's no doubt there's a betting culture that exists around sports. On top of that, I've done a lot of international work on behalf of the NBA, and in many of those jurisdictions, sports betting is perfectly legal. In other words, it's not my attitude that has to change. It's American laws. Keep that in mind for later. And if you think Daily Fantasy's relationship is cozy with Major League Sports, well, it gets even cozier with the broadcast networks.
25:28From ESPN and Fox to NBC and CBS, nearly all major networks have some financial stake in either FanDuel, DraftKings, or both. From a pure opportunity standpoint, these partnerships make sense. Fantasy sports open up a whole new avenue for content on these networks, another reason to tune in. A sports center anchor can discuss the fantasy outlook for a particular game, which incentivizes more eyeballs on games throughout the season. A ho-hum afternoon matchup between the Milwaukee Brewers and the Pittsburgh Pirates suddenly becomes must-see TV for anyone with daily fantasy players on either team.
26:08More viewers is good for the sports teams and the networks showing their games. We gotta pause for a second because there's something really important happening here. FanDuel and DraftKings aren't just buying ads anymore, right? They're embedding themselves in the very machinery of professional sports. The leagues are partners here, the networks are investors, and suddenly an awful lot of powerful institutions have a real financial interest in getting fans comfortable with something that still sits in a legal gray area. and tying daily fantasy odds to reporting can lead to broadcasts that sound a lot like ads.
26:50Like that? Yeah. Yeah, this is going to be our weekly DraftKings segment. We're going to do this every week. We got some DFS good buys and bad buys for you looking at the prices on FanDuel and DraftKings. The guys have given you their favorite plays on each respective site. For FanDuel and DraftKings, this rush of partnerships is all part of their number one goal, customer acquisition. Having raised more than$150 million in venture capital between them, both FanDuel and DraftKings are now leveraging that cash to get more users than the other guy. You know, if this business strategy sounds familiar, it should.
27:26Hear any echoes of the great startup land grab of the 2010s? You know the game. Spend whatever it takes to get customers, even if every new customer actually costs you money. Then once you get the users in the door, monetize them. The theory is that scale will eventually solve the problem. But that only works if you can keep raising money. And, of course, if nobody changes the rules while you're doing it. Soon, both companies' marketing budgets soar into the hundreds of millions of dollars, far outstripping their actual revenue. And this user acquisition war plays out very publicly. FanDuel tries to drown out DraftKings with more and more ad placements and corporate sponsorships, and vice versa.
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28:15This all reaches a fever pitch in the fall of 2015 with the start of the NFL season, when the feud between FanDuel and DraftKings brings them both some unwelcome attention.
28:35It's fall 2015. Sunday football time. In Indianapolis, a football fan kicks his feet up on the coffee table. He's got a bowl of potato chips at his fingertips, and the buffalo wings are on their way. On TV, the Colts game has just gone to commercial. An ad for FanDuel comes on. The man sighs. Sure have been a lot of FanDuel ads lately. But before he knows it, another ad comes on, this time for draft games. The man puts down his chips as he searches for the mute button. These ads are getting annoying. He resists the urge to flip to another channel, but before the commercial break is over, he sees...
29:17You guessed it. Another ad for FanDuel. Meanwhile in Baltimore, a Ravens fan is having the exact same experience in her living room. DraftKings, then FanDuel, then back again. What is going on? I'll tell you what's going on. An unprecedented$750 million advertising war waged by the two biggest names in daily fantasy. Between FanDuel and DraftKings, an ad for one of these companies is airing somewhere on national television every 90 seconds for three weeks straight. Together, these two rivals are outspending the American beer industry on ads. Now think about the economics of that for a second. Does any of it really make sense?
30:09FanDuel and DraftKings are selling a digital product with almost no physical distribution costs. And yet they're spending three quarters of a billion dollars just to make sure you know they exist. At this point, it's not just about who has the better product. It's almost as if the two are fighting over who can afford to keep shouting the longest. By now, both companies have earned certified unicorn status, meaning both are valued at more than a billion dollars. FanDuel commands far more of the market, around 75 % as of early 2015. But DraftKings has an exclusive relationship with ESPN. Plus, they've outspent FanDuel on ads almost 2-1 this season, scoring celebrity spokespeople like Edward Norton.
30:55To the casual observer, the two companies seem equally powerful and equally annoying. But the escalating ad war has some unintended consequences besides fan fatigue. Legal scrutiny. In late September 2015, a DraftKings employee named Ethan Haskell accidentally posts sensitive internal data on a public fantasy sports forum. It includes details about user activity ahead of the 4 p.m. NFL games. It's the kind of data DraftKings frequently shares after the games are underway, like which players are most popular on the platform and which ones might have underrated value. But leaking user activity before rosters are locked?
31:44Well, that's not supposed to happen. Once Haskell realizes his mistake, the post gets taken down. The snafu is noticed by a few fantasy sports bloggers, but that's about it. And the whole thing might have blown over, except that a few days later, Haskell wins$350 ,000 in a daily fantasy tournament on the rival site, FanDuel. Suddenly, those bloggers who spotted the initial data leak put two and two together. This DraftKings employee has access to all kinds of inside information, and yet he's allowed to enter tournaments on another site like any other civilian. How is that fair? The following Monday, the story breaks in the New York Times, which reports that what the bloggers picked up on is true.
32:40FanDuel and DraftKings employees are forbidden from playing on their own sites, But they're allowed to play on each other's. And it's not just Haskell. Many FanDuel and DraftKings employees have used their proprietary knowledge to win major cash prizes on rival platforms. In the stock market, this would be considered textbook insider trading, a rigged game. FanDuel and DraftKings react quickly, changing their rules to bar their employees from playing Daily Fantasy at all. But within days, the scandal triggers an inquiry into both companies by one Eric Schneiderman, New York's Attorney General.
33:26One week later, the FBI opens their own inquiry into Daily Fantasy sports sites, broadening the question to whether Daily Fantasy violates federal anti-gambling laws. And on October 15th, the state of Nevada, Nevada, the state with more gambling permissions than any other, declares that daily fantasy sites will be required to apply for a state gaming license. The license would give Nevada greater oversight and regulatory authority, not to mention revenue from taxes and fees. But FanDuel and DraftKings see this as a trap. If they apply for a Nevada gaming license, that will be seen as an admission that Daily Fantasy is just gambling by another name.
34:13Both companies suspend operations in Nevada rather than comply. But it's not just Nevada. Others are starting to see Daily Fantasy as a gambling Trojan horse slipping past the law. This is articulated by comedian John Oliver in an episode of his weekly HBO show last week tonight. It's like those lawmakers built a doggy door for a beloved pooch, and then daily fantasy came bursting through like a pack of wolves, saying, we are dogs. It's a doggy door, right? That's for us. We're legally dogs. Woof, right? Tell them. Woof. Suddenly, it feels like everyone is asking questions about a product that was previously flying comfortably under the radar.
34:57Officials in 12 states start examining the legality of daily fantasy. You know, this sort of reminds me of what happened with another business war. A different industry completely. Remember Uber versus Lyft? When marketing is successful, at some point everyone's talking about you. That's what ads are supposed to do, right? But when you build a business around a legal gray area, becoming impossible to ignore has an obvious downside. The same advertising that attracts millions of customers also attracts attorneys general, legislators, and regulators. people whose job it is to ask more questions.
35:35Questions about things like, what is it you're really selling? And whether that's really in the public's best interest.
35:48Until now, FanDuel's and DraftKings' biggest problems have been each other. But now they're both facing the same legal pressures and spending a fortune in the process. So, they make a bold decision. In public, they're still enemies. But behind the scenes, they stop fighting each other and start fighting the system. The two companies both hire lawyers, lobbyists, and crisis PR teams to fight back, state by state. They are done being reactive. Their new strategy? Get proactive in establishing legal protections for daily fantasy. They start looking for governors and state legislators who might be receptive to their messaging.
36:34After all, 50 million people play fantasy sports of some kind. Getting on the bad side of those constituents wouldn't be popular, would it? The lobbying pressure starts paying off in early 2016 with Massachusetts Attorney General Mara Healy. Perhaps it's no coincidence that DraftKings' home state is the first to act. She announces guidelines to regulate but not ban daily fantasy, saying, quote, I think anybody looking at this acknowledges it's a form of gambling. Just because it's gambling doesn't make it illegal. Fifteen other states follow suit, introducing bills to protect daily fantasy in their state statutes.
37:15Wow. Notice how much this game has changed. FanDuel and DraftKings started out looking for a loophole in federal law. Now they're spending millions trying to turn that loophole into explicit law, state by state. That's a familiar evolution for a disruptive business. First you exploit ambiguity, and then if you get big enough, well, you try to make that ambiguity permanent. Slowly, the forecast for daily fantasy starts looking a little brighter. But these state-by-state lobbying pushes and negotiations demand time and lots of cash. In March 2016, Schneiderman succeeds in blocking FanDuel and DraftKings from doing business in New York.
38:03On top of that, he accuses them of false advertising, a case they settle for$6 million apiece. And that's nothing compared to the ongoing costs of all those lobbyists doing all that persuading in state capitals around the country. Amidst the uncertainty and backlash, FanDuel lays off more than 60 people. And DraftKings loses their highly prized exclusive deal with ESPN. After a killer start, Daily Fantasy is starting to look like anything but a sure bet. unless, that is, these former enemies could truly join forces to take over the world.
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40:36It's spring, 2016. In a hole-in-the-wall Italian restaurant in Albany, New York, a blonde man with a boyish face looks around furtively as he orders a drink. Nigel Eccles, FanDuel's CEO, has no reason to think there are reporters lurking nearby, but you never know. He's in New York State. He's in New York State Capitol, where FanDuel and DraftKings have been fighting for their right to operate. But tonight, the topic of conversation isn't about legislation. It's about something much more explosive. Suddenly, Eccles sees the man he's waiting for, Jason Robbins, CEO of DraftKings. Robbins makes his way to Eccles, and the two slide into a booth way in the back of the restaurant, away from prying eyes.
41:23Eccles can feel the nervous energy coming off his counterpart. Robbins has been trying to make this meeting happen for a long time, and Eccles has been blowing him off. But now, things have changed. Nigel, great to see you, man. Oh, let's not go that far. Hey, no pressure. We're only going to do this if the numbers weren't. You understand that if you told me a year ago, even six months ago, that we'd be talking about a merger, I'd have laughed in your face. Fan duel is still twice your size. Half my board thinks we should be trying to crush you, And the other half knows that DraftKings is gaining more of your market share every day, right?
41:59Well, look, we've been over this. Joining forces means we can stop burning capital trying to bury each other. Start trying to make sure Daily Fantasy can survive, right? Well, I'm here, aren't I? Cool. So let's talk numbers. Over the next four hours, Eccles and Robbins hammer out the details. and when they're done, they have the outline for a 50-50 merger between FanDuel and DraftKings. Each company will get three board seats. They'll have dual headquarters, one in Boston, home of DraftKings, and another in New York, where FanDuel has been for the past couple of years. But then comes the harder question.
42:40Which one of them will become CEO?
42:46The answer comes after months of conference calls and contract red lines passed between law firms, not to mention rampant industry speculation. When the merger is announced in November 2016, it comes with some shocking news. Robbins, not Eccles, will assume the CEO role, with Eccles acting as chairman. Given Eccles' seniority and FanDuel's size advantage over DraftKings, this is noteworthy. Even so, coverage of the merger is generally positive in the tech and business press. A writer for the tech blog Recode writes, quote, The merger still needs to pass regulatory approval, but it's hard to imagine that will be a problem, end quote.
43:33The reason this reporter is so confident? Well, as 2016 comes to a close, FanDuel and DraftKings have about 5 million users between them. That's a lot of people playing daily fantasy. But it's still only about 8 % of the wider fantasy sports market. And the rest of that market is still dominated by traditional season-long fantasy sports platforms, run by companies like CBS, ESPN, Yahoo Sports, and Fox. On the other hand, if you consider Daily Fantasy as its own stand-alone category, well, the tabulations change. FanDuel and DraftKings' share of that market is more like 90%. That's much closer to Monopoly territory.
44:24Even so, there's plenty of precedent for a corporate merger of this nature. take Sirius and XM Radio, which joined forces in 2007 as the only two satellite radio providers in the United States. If their merger wasn't blocked by U.S. antitrust laws, why would FanDuel and DraftKings be stopped?
44:48It's June 2017, and the same headline ripples through both technology outlets and the sports betting community. The FanDuel-DraftKings merger has been blocked by the Federal Trade Commission, along with the Attorneys General of both Washington, D.C. and the state of California. They believe that daily fantasy is absolutely a distinct category from traditional fantasy, and any merger that would lead to a single company claiming a 90 % market share is not in customers' interests. Now there's an irony worth appreciating. FanDuel and DraftKings have spent years arguing that daily fantasy is part of a much larger world of fantasy sports, right?
45:33But for this merger, that definition really matters. If the FTC accepts it, these are two relatively small players joining forces. But if you define daily fantasy as its own market, well, suddenly that same deal looks like two companies combining to control roughly 90 % of an industry. Same companies, same merger. but completely different picture when it comes to antitrust regulation. DraftKings and FanDuel do have a few options on the table. They can appeal the decision, they can restructure their merger, or they can let the deal collapse. And Eccles, who wasn't the biggest fan of the deal to begin with, makes his choice.
46:19Less than a month after the FTC's ruling, another news story breaks. the merger is dead.
46:31In the wake of the failed merger, and as the 2017 football season gets underway, FanDuel and DraftKings find themselves neck and neck in a race that is only getting harder. By this point, DraftKings has pulled slightly ahead on several metrics thanks to a relentless focus on customer acquisition. FanDuel has about 7 million users. DraftKings has closer to 8. FanDuel is bringing in annual revenue of$124 million. DraftKings,$155 million. But still, neither company is actually profitable. They're still spending far more on customer acquisition than they're pulling in. And unfortunately, Daily Fantasy Sports is experiencing dramatically slower growth since its legal troubles began.
47:24New customer acquisition rates have nearly flatlined to just 1 % year over year. Several smaller daily fantasy sites have recently gone belly up. Some analysts attribute the slowdown to FanDuel and DraftKings backing off from their aggressive ad blitz. But there's also a different challenge. Customers are starting to notice that most of them aren't winning any money. In 2017, 42 % of the winnings on DraftKings and 46 % of the winnings on FanDuel are going to just 1 % of users, meaning a whole lot of customers never get to hoist that big check they saw in all those daily fantasy commercials. New fans might sign up, but if they never win, they won't stick around.
48:15FanDuel and DraftKings had a plan to face these threats together. Now they're back to going it alone. But their rivalry is about to become the least of their problems because in the halls of power, a very different fight is underway. One that could make sports betting legal nationwide. And if that happens, it could either be the best thing to ever happen to FanDuel and DraftKings or it could render daily fantasy completely obsolete. Because once people can bet directly on sports, they may decide they don't need the diet version anymore.
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49:23From Audible Originals, this is episode one of FanDuel vs. DraftKings for Business Wars. Hey, a quick note about recreations you've been hearing. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said at the time. Those scenes are dramatizations, but they are based on serious research. And if you'd like to read more, we recommend Welcome to the Big Time by Don Van Natta Jr. for ESPN and DraftKings CEO Jason Robbins Regrets Nothing by Mike Damiano for Boston Magazine. We also relied on reporting from Darren Heitner for Forbes. If you'd like to learn more about the FanDuel DraftKings rivalry, you should check out the audiobook version of Billion Dollar Fantasy by Albert Chan right now on Audible.
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It’s 2009, and most online betting is illegal in the U.S. Then tech founder Nigel Eccles finds a nifty loophole around fantasy sports, and FanDuel is born. The new ‘daily fantasy sports’ app allows users to play in short-term contests with quick payouts… almost like gambling by another name. But soon, a competitor emerges: DraftKings. The rivalry builds to a fever pitch, with battling ads running on national TV every 90 seconds. And that’s when the trouble really starts…
If you’d like to learn more about the FanDuel - DraftKings rivalry, you can listen to the audiobook version of “Billion Dollar Fantasy,” by Albert Chen right now on Audible.
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