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Podcast Summary: Business Wars - Target vs Walmart | Wardrobe Malfunction | Episode 3
Episode Overview In this episode, titled "Wardrobe Malfunction," the narrative unfolds in early 2005 as Walmart grapples with a disappointing holiday season. The company attempts to rejuvenate its image by competing directly with Target, which has captured the attention of style-conscious shoppers through designer collaborations. The episode explores the strategies and challenges Walmart faces as it tries to reclaim its market share in the wake of Target's success.
Key Themes and Discussions
Walmart's Response to Target's Success
- Walmart's Struggles (2005): Following a poor holiday season, Walmart aims to improve its image and regain customer loyalty, which has been slipping to Target due to its trendy offerings.
- Market Positioning: Walmart's yearly sales amount to $192 billion, but Target's rapid growth poses a threat. Walmart's CEO, Lee Scott, emphasizes the urgency of responding to Target's appeal.
Strategy Meetings and Decision Making
- Meeting Dynamics: Walmart holds regular meetings led by CEO Lee Scott, emphasizing quick action and problem-solving. A notable discussion arises when a small appliances buyer questions why Target's coffee maker outshines Walmart's.
- Focus on Fashion: The episode outlines Walmart's shift towards fashion, spearheaded by the new Metro 7 clothing line designed to compete with Target's stylish offerings.
The Launch of Metro 7
- Introduction of the Metro 7 Line: Walmart introduces a new clothing line, Metro 7, featuring stylish items aimed at urban customers. The line is positioned to challenge Target's dominance in budget fashion.
- Designer Collaboration: Walmart engages top designers to enhance its apparel offerings, looking to replicate Target's successful collaborations with fashion designers.
Brand Image Challenges
- Negative Public Perception: Walmart faces backlash regarding its business practices, impacting its ability to attract style-conscious consumers.
- Public Relations Strategy: Walmart hires former political advisors to counteract negative publicity and enhance its brand image. This includes proactive media engagements to communicate its positive community impact.
Holiday Sales and Competition
- Black Friday Tactics: Walmart prepares aggressively for the holiday shopping season with extensive marketing campaigns and early price announcements.
- Sales Performance: Despite a strong Black Friday performance, Walmart's sales growth (3.6%) lags behind Target's (5.8%), signaling challenges in breaking Target's hold on fashionable retail.
The Pitfalls of Fashion Strategy
- Consumer Disconnect: Despite the introduction of Metro 7, the line struggles to resonate with Walmart's core demographic, which prefers more traditional styles.
- Inventory Issues: By late 2006, Walmart finds itself saddled with unsold clothing, leading to significant financial losses and highlighting the disparity between brand perception and product offerings.
Conclusion
- Walmart's Reflection: The episode concludes with Walmart realizing that its longstanding low-price strategy has become a limitation in the fashion sector.
- Impending Changes: The competitive dynamics between Walmart and Target are positioned for further exploration in the series, hinting at future shifts in the retail landscape as both companies adapt to consumer preferences and market pressures.
Key Takeaways
- Brand Image Matters: Successful retail strategies encompass not only pricing but also brand perception and alignment with consumer desires.
- Adaptability is Crucial: As consumer preferences shift towards fashion and quality, retail giants must evolve their strategies and product offerings to remain competitive.
- Market Dynamics: The ongoing rivalry between Walmart and Target exemplifies the complexities of the retail landscape, where innovation and image play pivotal roles in determining success.
Future Episodes The narrative foreshadows continued struggles for both retailers as they navigate public relations challenges, technological disruptions, and changing consumer behaviors in subsequent episodes.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:07Walmart head office, Bentonville, Arkansas, spring 2005. In the auditorium, Walmart's buyers and executives are attending their regular Friday meeting. These meetings are a ritual that goes back to the days of Sam Walton. They're a big reason why Walmart remains nimble, despite its heft. And every week, Walmart CEO Lee Scott leads the meeting. Okay, make sure that supplier gets us enough product to keep pace with demand. Scott doesn't give a deadline. He doesn't need to. Everyone here knows the deadline. It's the same as it's always been, sundown. At Walmart, problems aren't allowed to linger.
0:47Scott adjusts his thin-rimmed spectacles and looks around the room for the small appliances buyer. Ah, there you are. I got a question. The buyer stands. Why is Target selling a coffee maker for$19.95 that's better than ours? The buyer knows better than to make excuses. I don't know, but I'll find out. The buyer sits and grabs his BlackBerry. As he pings messages and emails to his team and suppliers, the meeting moves on. But in every discussion, Target looms large. Ever since Target embraced designer collaborations, it's been on fire. Affluent shoppers now rush to buy the company's latest gear.
1:30And so far, Walmart's attempts to get a piece of that action have fallen flatter than its static stock price. The revenue gulf between the two remains huge. Walmart's U.S. stores ring up$192 billion of sales a year. Target trails far behind on$51 billion. But Target's growing faster, and that means Walmart's conceding market share. And if that continues, one day, maybe many years from now, Target will catch up. And when that happens, it'll be too late to stop it. So Scott wants Target neutralized now. As the meeting wraps up, the small appliances buyer puts away his BlackBerry and stands again.
2:18Scott stops the conversation. Go ahead. There'll be a better coffee maker in our stores next week. The room breaks into applause. Even by Walmart standards, that's fast. Scott nods approvingly. But then the meeting marches on. There's no time for back-slapping. Target's hit on a winning formula, and Walmart needs to respond. But new coffee makers aren't enough. What Walmart needs is apparel that can beat Target in the style stakes. But to succeed, it's going to have to overcome a major problem. Its own brand.
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4:35From Wondery, I'm David Brown, and this is Business Wars.
5:01On the last episode, Walmart's down-home image got shredded as it came under fire for hollowing out downtowns. Target refashioned itself as a style destination with help from trendy designers. And Kmart got crushed. Now, Walmart's out to puncture Target's new momentum by following it into fashion. This is Episode 3, Wardrobe Malfunction.
5:35Spring, 2005, Midtown Manhattan. Two blocks from the Empire State Building in a low-key office block off Fifth Avenue, Walmart's latest master plan is taking shape. Inside, dozens of designers spread over two floors are at work. They used to create clothes for upscale brands like Nautica. Now, they're bringing style to the aisles of America's top retailer. In a glass-walled meeting room, Executive Vice President Claire Watts checks the final prototypes for Walmart's soon-to-launch Metro 7 clothing range. The table is loaded with silk camis, leopard print tops, velvet blazers, and skinny jeans.
6:18The red-haired 45-year-old executive picks out a pair of jeans embellished with flower patterns and holds them up. These look great. Fabric feels nice, too. The team feels relief. Watts oversees apparel and home furnishings at Walmart. It's a$37 billion a year operation, but it's famous for basics. Watts wants Walmart's new Manhattan design studio to change that and make its apparel trendier. Watts turns to Metro 7's lead designer. How much will these jeans cost customers? Should be less than$23. Watts smiles. She might want chic, but this is Walmart, and it's still got to be cheap. Metro 7 is designed to challenge target supremacy in budget fashion.
7:08It's noticeably more urban and stylish than Walmart's trusty but rusty Faded Glory label. Metro 7 will launch in urban Walmarts in the fall, then go nationwide next year. But it's only the first step. Walmart's also copying Target's strategy of working with top designers. It's recruited Mark Eisen to create a sportswear line called George M.E. Eisen's clothes are usually found in stores like Neiman Marcus, and Watts hopes he can do for Walmart what Masabo did for Target. But fashion isn't just about clothes and price tags. It's about the image those threads project. And that's why Walmart's also tending to its brand.
7:59Walmart head office, Bentonville, September 2005. In a windowless meeting room, several former presidential advisors stare at their laptops and Blackberries while munching trail mix. This is Walmart's new war room. These men and women are the generals leading the new fight back against the retailers' enemies. On the TV in the corner of the room, CNN's on with the volume down low. A former advisor to Bill Clinton looks up from her Blackberry. Another union's just quit the AFL-CIO. Everyone sits up. This might be something they can use. Walmart's been under fire for years. Critics say it stifles small business, mistreats employees, busts unions, and squeezes suppliers to breaking point.
8:50Walmart used to shrug off these criticisms, figuring its low prices would trump those concerns. But the negativity around its brand is now hurting its attempts to woo the image-conscious middle earners who've fallen for target. But the attacks are getting more sophisticated, too. Unions are founding campaign groups like Wake Up Walmart and staffing them with former presidential advisors. So Walmart's hired some D.C. image makers of its own. The former Clinton advisor checks her BlackBerry again. The rebel unions have a convention in St. Louis in two weeks. Ronald Reagan's former spin doctor, Michael Deaver, leans forward.
9:32You can bet your bottom dollar that they'll attack Walmart at that convention. It's an easy way to fire up their members. We should counter their arguments before they even open their mouths. How about a news conference in St. Louis the day before their convention? To say what? To highlight Walmart's positive effect on the community. You know, give the media our side of the story. We could have local suppliers talk about Walmart creating jobs. Deaver nods. Also a cashier from a local store. People relate to cashiers. Walmart's news conference delivers the goods. The media still covers the union's criticisms of Walmart, but the retailers' counterarguments also get aired.
10:17And in this PR war, that's a victory. Walmart's not looking to change the minds of those who already shun its stores. They want to sway the undecided, the masses of people in the middle, who haven't yet picked a side. But while the spin doctors in the war room waged their PR war, store managers are digging in for another holiday season. Last year, Walmart played nice, then watched as Target and others cleaned up on Black Friday. But this year, it plans to clobber the competition. And as the holidays approach, Walmart stores clear space for more upscale products. They take deliveries of Metro 7 clothes and brand name electronics.
11:02And they stock the shelves with 600 thread sheets and organic food. Walmart begins its holiday season assault on November 1st with festive TV ads starring pop group Destiny's Child.
11:28During Thanksgiving week, Walmart ups the ante. It posts its Black Friday deals online early, so everyone knows there'll be half-priced laptops and deeply discounted big-screen TVs up for grabs. It also tells shoppers those deals will end at 11 a.m. The message is clear. If you don't visit Walmart first, you could miss the best Black Friday deals. Then, Walmart drops another bombshell on the competition. If another retailer advertises a lower Black Friday price, Walmart will match it. Walmart is forcefully reasserting its low-price strategy. And when Black Friday comes, Walmart opens at 5 a.m.
12:14So it can ring up sales while Target's still keeping people waiting in the cold for another hour. By 11 a.m., Walmart sold more than 75 ,000 laptops nationwide. And its November sales haul is up more than 4 % over the year before. Target bounces just 2.6%. But in December, the tide turns. Metro 7 sells well, but it's only in a few urban stores. Elsewhere, Walmart finds that lower prices alone can't peel people away from Target's exclusive designer collections. When the holiday shopping frenzy's over, Target's sales are up 5.8%, comfortably outpacing Walmart's gain of 3.6%. And as 2006 begins, Walmart's attempt to muscle in on cheap chic comes undone.
13:17February 2006, Rogers, Arkansas. In the local Walmart, a middle-aged shopper pushes her cart through the clothes department, looking for a new outfit. She stops to admire a faux velvet Jordache blazer. She's tempted for a moment, but then decides it's way too 80s and puts it back on the rail. Then she spots a sign for a new arrival in store, Walmart's Metro 7 collection. On the sign is a photo of Metro 7's raven-haired spokesmodel, former Miss Universe Dayanara Torres. She's wearing jeans embellished with flowery patterns and a matching cami. The shopper searches the Metro 7 rails. The clothes look great and the prices are right, but the tighter urban fits are another matter.
14:05Like her, the average Walmart shopper is size 14 and 5 '2", close to the national average. But Metro 7's fits are more form-fitting, part of Walmart's efforts to appeal to trendier shoppers that expect runway-ready clothes that hug the body. As a result, these Metro 7 clothes simply don't fit. So she shrugs and moves on, over to the display for Faded Glory, the Walmart brand that's been clothing customers for more than 30 years. And in small-town and suburban Walmarts across the nation, millions of other women are doing the same. Metro 7 hangs around in stores selling slowly week after week, occupying valuable real estate that could have gone to less fashionable but way more popular apparel.
14:57Walmart's designer sportswear collection, George M.E., doesn't do much better. By fall 2006,$2 billion worth of unsold clothes and home goods are dragging down Walmart's profits. And its plan to out-style Target is in tatters. It's becoming clear to Walmart that the design of its clothes isn't the root problem. It's the brand. Walmart made its name as the place that piles high and sells low. That reputation took it to the top. But now, it's become a trap, and it can't find a way to break loose. But world events are about to change the retail landscape in Walmart's favor.
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16:38May 2009, Waukesha, Minnesota. Beneath overcast skies, Target's annual shareholder meeting is underway in a soon-to-open store. and the company's 55-year-old CEO Greg Steinhoffels braced for a showdown with the man who's been menacing him for months. That man is Bill Ackman, the white-haired founder of the hedge fund Pershing Square. Wall Street sees Ackman as a rock star. Time after time, this slick 43-year-old squeezed huge returns out of major corporations by buying into them and then pushing their management into moves designed to boost their stock price. And now, he's taking aim at Target.
17:23Ackman's struggle with Target began in 2007, when he persuaded his pals on Wall Street to give him$2 billion so he could buy a big chunk of Target stock. Ackman wasn't just interested in the retailer's revenues. He saw value in the land those retail stores were built on. His plan is to put the land under Target's stores into a separate real estate business. That new business would then earn money by charging Target rent. Ackman believes this steady rental income would be so attractive to investors that the new real estate business would raise more than$5 billion in an IPO. But Steinhoffel shot that idea down point blank on the grounds that those returns might not materialize.
18:10He also worried that losing control of its properties would restrict Target's ability to open, close, and improve its stores. So Ackman's switching tactics. He now wants to get himself and four of his acolytes elected onto Target's board so he can press Target's management into accepting his plan by taking his plan directly to the shareholders. From the stage, Steinhoffel checks the agenda and then looks at Ackman. It's time. Bill, the floor's yours. Everyone in the room watches as Ackman heads to the stage, looking confident. But beneath the veneer, Ackman's feeling the pressure, because Target's become a bad investment.
18:54In the past year, the world sunk into a deep recession, and Target's hurting bad. Before the downturn, Target's stylish apparel and home decor sold fast. Now, with money tight and property prices slumping, People are cutting back on the clothes and household fixtures that once powered Target's growth. Shoppers are defecting to Walmart, too. Target is price competitive, but its upscale image in smarter stores make many think Target is the pricier place to shop. So Target's stock is now in freefall, and the$2 billion Ackman invested in the company is now worth just$200 million. He needs a victory today.
19:39Otherwise, his backers will be hundreds of millions of dollars down, and his hard-won reputation will take a big hit. Ackman reaches the podium. He pauses to look out over the audience of target stockholders and starts to make his case by invoking the spirit of President John F. Kennedy. I will pay any price, oppose any foe, to do what I believe is right. The entire room looks bewildered as the hedge fund owner wipes a tear from the corner of his eye. Ackman pulls himself together and presses on, this time invoking Martin Luther King Jr. I don't want Target to end up a once-great company. It needs independent directors on the board.
20:30You see, I have a dream. A dream that one day directors will be elected on character and competence. I have a dream that our efforts here will be fruitful. Ackman turns his head away as he leaves the podium. No one's sure what to make of his tearful address. But his tears are in vain. Target's been campaigning hard to convince investors to reject him and his candidates. A few minutes later, the stockholders vote overwhelmingly to reject Ackman and his nominees. Ackman's attempt to push Target around have failed and cost him dearly. But the wider problems that inspired his intervention still need fixing.
21:20And that won't be so easy. Target's magic formula of cheap chic and affordable designer decor doesn't work so well in hard times. And while Steinhoffel and his team seek a way forward, Walmart's celebrating.
21:42June 2009, Fayetteville, Arkansas. It's 7 in the morning, and the Bud Walton Arena is already rocking a capacity crowd. On the stage, a team of cheerleaders are starting the party with a company chant that Walmart employees have yelled since the 1970s. Give me a squiggly! The cheerleaders squat and twist their hips. The crowd follows their lead. Give me an M. Give me an A. Give me an R. Give me a T. What does that spell? This is Walmart's annual shareholder meeting, and no one does stockholder summits like Walmart. Here, the numbers take a backseat to celebrations that this year include appearances from Miley Cyrus, Smokey Robinson, and Michael Jordan.
22:41But this morning, it's down to comedian Ben Stiller to get the party started. Good morning. I'm Ben Stiller. How you doing? I am very, very excited to be your host for the 2009 Walmart Shareholders Meeting. Yeah, man, you guys like to get up early. I hear they're still sleeping over at Target. All right, all right. So I thought I'd see how awake everybody is with a little pop quiz, all right? Who is the world's largest retailer? Who did over$401 billion in sales last year? Who helps the planet by being a leader in environmental sustainability? Who knows what sustainability means?
23:40Good, because I don't. Who helps people save money so they can live better?
23:52The stockholders are buzzing with good reason. The credit crunch is Walmart's time to shine. While household finances get hammered and Target's advance screeches to a halt, Walmart's got its swagger back. With discretionary spending tight, millions of hard-pressed Americans are flooding back to Walmart. But Walmart's success doesn't stop at home. Its global operations now account for nearly half its sales. From Britain to Japan, China to Mexico, Walmart's a retail juggernaut. And with its room for growth in the USA getting ever more maxed out, Walmart's seeking fresh opportunities abroad. And it's just spotted one to the north.
24:45Late 2010, Toronto, Canada, the head office of Hudson's Bay Company. In his corner office, the company's governor, Richard Baker, leans back in his leather chair with his landline phone pressed to his ear. Baker is a 45-year-old real estate mogul and the latest boss of North America's oldest company. Hudson's Bay started in the 17th century fur trade. Now it owns hundreds of retail stores in Canada, including the discount chain Zeller's. And the Walmart executive on the line from Bentonville wants to take Zeller's off his hands. Bottom line is we want to buy most of Zeller's stores. Baker smiles.
25:27His big gamble is about to pay off. Baker bought Hudson's Bay two years ago for$1.1 billion. On the surface, it seemed risky. Zeller's was in trouble. Ever since Walmart swaggered into Canada in 1994, Zeller's has spiraled down. But Baker didn't see a 330-store discount retailer in trouble. He saw 330 plots of land he could sell at a premium to an American retailer with designs on Canada. And Walmart's ready to be that buyer. The Walmart executive on the line gets worried by the silence. Richard? You still there? Yes, I'm just considering your offer. Baker fiddles with the phone cord. He's pleased his plan is coming to fruition.
26:20But he's also wondering if there's a rival bidder he can use to jack up the price. Baker sits up and replies to the Walmart executive. I need to talk to other people here, but this sounds as attractive. Great. I look forward to hearing from you. Baker hangs up and buzzes his secretary. Get me Greg Steinhoffel, the CEO of Target. I need to speak to him today. He's going to want to talk to me. Baker sinks back into his chair. Target's been eyeing sellers for years. Target's long talked about expanding abroad, and Canada's the obvious first step. But Target doesn't want to build a chain store by store.
27:04It wants to storm in. Trouble is, that's expensive. So, time after time, Targets led Zellers down the aisle, only to bail at the last moment. But now, with Walmart after the same prize, Targets going to have to pony up if they want Zellers. All Baker has to do now is step back and let these two behemoths duke it out. And it doesn't matter who wins, because either way, Hudson's Bay will walk away with a major payday.
27:43Hudson's Bay Company head office, Toronto, January 2011. In a meeting room, Zeller's CEO Mark Foote nearly spits his mouthful of coffee across the room. Target chief executive Greg Steinhoffel smiles. So, that offer works? Foote tries to regain his poker face. Targets just offered$1.8 billion for most of the Zeller's chain. It's more than enough, but it's not for Foote to say yes. He turns to Hudson's Bay Company Governor, Baker. Richard? Baker nods. He also can't believe Targets just offered that much. He bought Hudson's Bay for$1.1 billion less than three years ago. Now he's selling about half of it for$1.8 billion, even though Walmart's already walked away from the bidding war.
28:39Steinhoff leans forward. He wants confirmation. It's getting hard to wring more growth out of the USA. The discount store market there is saturated. Target's best hopes for stellar growth lies abroad. and Canada seems like the easiest place to start. Is that a yes? Baker stands, smiles, and offers his hand. Yes. Steinhoffel grins and shakes Baker's hand. They've got a deal. For the first time in its 50-year history, Target is taking its fight with Walmart global. Now that it's written the check, Target's got to move quick. It has up to 220 Zeller stores to remodel and a distribution network to build.
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29:27And until those stores carry the Bullseye logo, Target's new Canadian operation will be burning money fast.
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31:47Target Canada headquarters, Mississauga, Ontario, fall 2012. Tony Fisher walks down the corridor, smiling and nodding at the colleagues he passes. Fisher's the 35-year-old American that Target sent north to mastermind its Canadian invasion. He's got just months to spin up a national chain, and so everything's moving at lightning speed. Buyers are racing to order products, construction crews are busy turning tired Zeller's stores into gleaming Targets, and thousands are being hired to work the shop floors. But today, Fisher hopes to get to the bottom of a spate of supply chain problems that have bugged him for weeks.
32:29The problem started when Target ordered its first products from overseas, only to find that the goods didn't fit into the shipping containers as expected. Fisher thought it was an isolated issue. But then other supply chain problems emerged. Items with missing barcodes. Products that didn't fit on store shelves. And now the team investigating these problems is ready to report. Fisher reaches the meeting room and heads in. The investigation team is already there. So is John Morioka, Target Canada's senior vice president of merchandise. Morioka smiles weakly at Fisher. Hey, Tony. You might want to sit down for this one.
33:13Fisher pulls up a chair. That bad, huh? Yeah. Go ahead, guys. Tell Tony what you told me. A member of the investigating team nods. The problem's our supply chain software. It's full of errors. What do you mean? Our inventory database governs the movement of every product we sell. what size products are, how many fit in a trailer, everything. But the database is full of inaccuracies. Measurements in inches instead of centimeters, typos, heights mixed up with lengths, prices in the wrong currency. Fisher leans forward. How did this happen? Remember when we got those junior employees to input the data?
33:56Yeah. We told them to do it fast, but I guess we didn't impress on them how important accuracy was. Also, they were too inexperienced to know that the information vendors provide is unreliable. Fisher takes a deep breath. He knows this is bad. The question now is, how bad? So, how many errors are there? We estimate 70 % of the data's wrong. Fisher looks ready to puke. That data's already being used to order inventory. The problems caused by these errors are about to multiply. What he thought was an isolated fire is poised to become a wildfire that could set the whole supply chain aflame. Morioka leans forward.
34:45They've got a solution. Fisher's face brightens. Yeah? Yeah, but it's extreme. We shut down merchandising for a week and get everyone to go through the data and make sure it's right. There's no time to bring in consultants, and it's too big a task for people to do in addition to their main jobs. Morioka shakes his head. It's a nightmare job. There's 75 ,000 products in the database, each with dozens of data fields. We're looking at 4.8 million pieces of data to verify. Fisher nods. Sure, but there's no alternative. If we don't do this, everything could fall apart.
35:32The following week, Target Canada hunkers down to cleanse the data. It's painstaking work, but the team knows it's make or break. The smooth flow of product from factories to shopping carts depends on this data. Bad data means empty shelves and disappointed customers. By the time they finish, their eyes are raw from screen glare, their fingers ache, and their brains are numb. But despite their efforts, errors remain, lurking like landmines primed to explode when Target Canada opens for business.
36:16Bowling Green, Kentucky, 2012. It's 9 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day, and hundreds of people are lined up outside Target. The days when Black Friday sales happened on Friday are over. With retailers vying to beat the competition, the annual retail rumbles spread into Thanksgiving itself. And Target's late. Walmart opened an hour ago. But Target's hoping to compensate with a monster doorbuster offer. 50-inch HDTVs marked down from$600 to$300. The crowd cheers as the doors open and the line surges forward. But then, a woman with a blonde ponytail pushes into the line in front of a tall ball man who blocks her.
37:03Get the f*** out! He shoves her hard. She staggers back out of the line, nearly toppling over. Nearby, a man with a mullet sees red. Don't push her, a**hole. Mullet Man leaps over the red carts, keeping people in line and lunches at the bald man. The thrilled crowd grab their phones to film the clash of bald man and mullet. But within seconds, Target's security guards are there pulling them apart. Big box stores are used to bad behavior on Black Friday. In years past, people have thrown punches in the aisles, snatched items from each other's cards, smashed down doors and trampled employees. But while there are still fights in the parking lots, the battle to win Black Friday is no longer just about bricks and mortar.
37:54It's now virtual, too, as Walmart and Target duke it out with Amazon. Yesterday, their online stores were selling the Xbox game Dance Central 3 for just under$50. But this morning, Amazon's computers spotted that Best Buy had cut the game's price to$25, and immediately matched it. Instantly, Walmart's computers alerted Walmart.com's video game buyer to Amazon's price cut. Within the hour, Walmart.com selling Dance Central 3 for$15, and targets joining the fight. And this semi-automated price fight doesn't end with Dance Central 3. It's happening to thousands of items. They're not just out to undercut each other.
38:43They're also trying to make their opponents run out of stock so they can pick off their customers. For Target, this is new territory. It outsourced its online store to Amazon for the last decade. Back in 2001, that seemed smart. Amazon wasn't a threat. Piggybacking on its e-commerce know-how seemed like a good way to get ahead of Walmart, which was building out its own technology. But it proved to be a bad move. Amazon cared more about its own store and neglected Target. So while Walmart learned how to sell online, Target found itself tethered to a dangerous enemy. It took until 2011 for Target to cut itself loose.
39:28Now, it's got to catch up fast. But it's also discovering it's got a lot to learn about international expansion.
39:44Target Canada Headquarters, Mississauga, February 2013. In a meeting room, Target Canada President Tony Fisher keeps smiling as his top executives deliver another daily dose of doom. We've still got checkout terminals not processing transactions. The supplier hasn't found a fix yet. Fisher nods. Everyone knows this isn't good. Target opens its first Canadian stores next month. By the fall, there will be more than 120. Times running short, and glitchy checkouts aren't even the biggest problem. Where are we on distribution to stores? The two executives overseeing distribution look worried. It's real concerning.
40:28We're probably going to open with gaps on the shelves. Her colleague nods. Yeah, we're in danger of blowing the first date with Canadian guests. It might not get fixed before opening. The real concern is the computer system is telling us the shelves are full when they're empty, and we can't figure out why. If that's not solved, orders won't get to suppliers at the right time, and we'll be in deep trouble. There's a pause as the news sinks in. Everyone knows they really need more time. But Target's spending billions to break into Canada, and Target CEO Greg Steinhoffel wants stores open and earning money immediately.
41:13The executives can all see the wall up ahead, but none of them have the guts to call for someone to slam on the brakes. Besides, they're Target, America's number two retailer. The idea that Target could crash and burn in Canada hasn't even crossed their minds. Fisher smiles. Well, there's still time. We can do it.
41:42In March 2014, the first three targets open in Canada, and many of the shelves are empty. But it's too late to press pause. In the months that follow, dozens more stores are open, but the shelves stay bare. In public, Fisher dismisses the shortages as mere kinks. But the truth's way worse. Because back in Mississauga, Target Canada's computers still claim the shelves are stocked. And no one knows why. And Canada isn't the only crisis brewing at Target. Because, unknown to the company, a band of criminal hackers have just breached its IT defenses. and are plotting a multi-million dollar heist. On the next episode, Target gets infiltrated, Walmart reboots its online presence, and the discount rivals suffer post-pandemic whiplash.
42:51From Wondery, this is episode three of Target vs. Walmart for Business Wars. A quick note about recreations you've been hearing. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. Those scenes are dramatizations, but they're based on historical research. Now, if you'd like to read more about Walmart in the aughts, we recommend The Walmart Triumph by Robert Slater. I'm your host, David Brown. Tristan Donovan of Yellow Ant Media wrote this story. Karen Lowe is our senior producer and editor. Edited and produced by Emily Frost. Sound design by Ryan Potesta. Voice acting by Michelle Phillippe. Our senior managing producer is Tanya Thigpen.
43:31Our managing producer is Matt Gant. Our producer is Dave Schilling. Our executive producers are Jenny Lauer-Beckman and Marshall Louis for Wondery.
43:49In 1993, three eight-year-old boys were brutally murdered in West Memphis, Arkansas. as the small-town local police struggled to solve the crime. Rumors soon spread that the killings were the work of a satanic cult. Suspicion landed on three local teenagers, but there was no real evidence linking them to the murders. Still, that would not protect them. Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, the host of Wondery Show American Scandal. We bring to life some of the biggest controversies in U.S. history. Presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our latest series, three teenage boys are falsely accused of a vicious triple homicide.
44:26But their story doesn't end with their trials or convictions. Instead, their plight will capture the imagination of the entire country and spark a campaign for justice that will last for almost two decades. Follow American Scandal on The Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of American Scandal The West Memphis Three early and ad-free right now on Wondery Plus.
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It’s early 2005 and Walmart’s reeling from a dismal holiday season. It hoped to improve its image by playing nice with rivals only to watch Target snatch away its shoppers.
So now it’s looking to hit back by muscling in on the cheap-chic action that’s sent Target’s growth soaring.
But Walmart’s about to find that winning over the fashion conscious is as much about brand as design.
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