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Podcast Summary: Business Wars - Toys R Us vs KB Toys | Category Killer

Podcast Overview Title: Business Wars Description: Business Wars explores the competitive battles between famous companies, detailing the stories of their leaders, innovations, and the impact of these conflicts on consumer behavior. Hosted by David Brown from Wondery.

Episode Overview Episode Title: Toys R Us vs KB Toys | Category Killer | 1 Release Date: (Date not specified in the transcript) Description: The episode chronicles the rise of Toys R Us and KB Toys during the 1950s and 60s, highlighting the visionary strategies of Charles Lazarus, founder of Toys R Us, and the competitive tactics of Kaufman Brothers, creators of KB Toys.

Key Themes and Discussions

  1. The Birth of Toys R Us
  2. Charles Lazarus: Started in the 1950s with a baby furniture store in Washington D.C.
  3. Initial focus on furniture was limited; customers sought toys.
  4. Recognized the demand for toys and began stocking them.
  • Expansion to Toys Superstore:
  • Inspired by a discount store's bulk pricing model, Lazarus pivoted to a larger toy supermarket concept.
  • Children's Supermart: Opened in the 1960s, showcasing 4,000 toys at competitive prices, leading to rapid growth.
  1. Rise of KB Toys
  2. Kaufman Brothers: Transitioned from candy wholesaling to toys in the 1940s.
  3. Started retailing with Playworld in 1963, eventually evolving into KB Toy & Hobby.
  4. Strategy focused on mall locations to attract impulse buyers.
  1. Business Strategies
  2. Toys R Us:
  3. Leveraged television advertising to drive brand recognition among children.
  4. Expanded rapidly under new ownership, leading to a significant presence across the U.S.
  5. Established a mainframe computer system for inventory management.
  • KB Toys:
  • Focused on acquiring closeouts and slow-moving inventory from manufacturers at discounted prices.
  • Pursued a strategy that prioritized impulse buys in mall settings.
  1. Competitive Dynamics
  2. Market Position:
  3. By the 1980s, Toys R Us dominated the toy industry, controlling 25% of toy sales in America.
  4. KB Toys grew to become the nation's second-largest toy retailer, generating $780 million in annual sales by 1988.
  1. Challenges and Future Outlook
  2. The episode foreshadows upcoming challenges for both brands as they navigate the changing retail landscape in the 1990s.
  3. The discussion suggests a potential shift in market dynamics, with both companies facing new threats.

Key Takeaways

  • Visionary Leadership: Charles Lazarus's foresight in identifying and capitalizing on the toy market transformed Toys R Us into a retail giant.
  • Adaptation to Consumer Trends: Both companies adapted their business models to changing consumer behaviors, including the rise of TV advertising and shopping mall culture.
  • Innovative Strategies: The use of technology and innovative marketing techniques allowed Toys R Us to secure its market position, while KB Toys focused on value pricing to attract customers.

Conclusion This episode of Business Wars provides an engaging look at the competitive landscape of the toy industry, highlighting the innovative strategies and challenges faced by Toys R Us and KB Toys. The narrative sets the stage for future episodes, which will delve deeper into the evolving dynamics of these toy retail giants.

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0:07It's February 1988 and at 205th Avenue in Manhattan, Toy Fair is back again. Every year, 18 ,000 toy store buyers descend on this building. They're here to check out the products manufacturers hope will become the big hits of the next holiday season. And in the corridor leading up to the showrooms, an intern for Louis Galoub Toys runs as fast as he can. Excuse me. Out of the way. Move, move, move. Out of the way. Hey, watch it, bud. The intern glances over his shoulder. At the far end of the corridor, he sees him coming. Charles Lazarus, the 64-year-old founder of Toys R Us, surrounded by his senior team.

0:50The intern's got no time to waste. He turns a corner, races down another corridor, and bursts into the Louis Galoub showroom. Inside, the sales team is introducing a handful of store buyers to the company's new toys. The intern yells. Toys R Us is coming! Mmm, wow, Toys R Us? Yeah, that's a big ticket. Panic ripples through the sales team. They move fast to round up the mom-and-pop store owners checking out the products and clear the room. One woman objects as the sales chief guides her out the door. Hey, I was about to place an order. The sales chief doesn't care. He wouldn't even care if she was the buyer for KB, the nation's number two toy chain.

1:34Because this is the 1980s, and only one toy store matters. Seconds later, Lazarus and the Toys R Us team enter the deserted showroom. Louis Galoub's sales chief rushes over to them. Charles, glad to see you. Lazarus nods. He's used to the royal treatment. Toys R Us has 338 stores generating sales of$3.2 billion a year, enough to claim 25 % of toy sales in America and make Lazarus the highest-paid CEO in the country. Last year, he banked$69 million. He looks at the sales chief. Let's see what you got. The sales chief starts with a toy that buyers have been shunning all throughout the fair. He figures it'll make the toys he shows afterwards look better.

2:26He leads Lazarus and his team over to a display of army toys. In the middle of the display is a large box that resembles a wooden cargo crate. Now this is our new Army gear playset. Every toy in this range has a hidden action inside. You can think of it as a military twist on Transformers, right? So this canteen right here turns into an aircraft carrier. Look at that. This compass doubles as a satellite station. And this pistol, it becomes a missile silo. See? The Toys R Us executives move in and start playing with the items. One turns to Lazarus. So what do you think of the crate? It's going to take up a lot of shelf space.

3:09The sales chief gulps. Most of the buyers who've gone through this showroom have objected to the crate on the same grounds. He knows if Toys R Us doesn't like it. The army gear line is toast. So he makes a preemptive move. Of course, we can always change the packaging if that's a problem. Lazarus holds up his hand. No need. I like it as is. It's different. Distinctive. Might appeal to shoppers. You should stick with it. Okay, what's next? The sales chief high-fives a colleague. With Toys R Us' backing, Army Gears got a shot at the big time. But it wasn't always this way. Toys R Us spent much of the 1970s on the verge of closure.

3:56During the 1960s, it was largely unknown outside the D.C. area, and when it opened in the 1950s, it sold nothing but baby furniture. There's carnage on toy store floors around the country. KB Toys is still holding on, but Toys R Us has turned children into toy-seeking missiles who relentlessly hound their parents into submission. Question is, can KB return fire?

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6:30From Wondery, I'm David Brown, and this is Business Wars.

6:56I don't want to grow up. I'm a toy for a kid. There's a million toys that's toy for us that I can play with.

7:18For millions of Americans who are now all grown up, that song and the store it promoted are seared into their childhood memories. Together with its rival KB Toys, Toys R Us captured the hearts of kids nationwide and pocketed their parents' dollars. At their height, these two stores made billions and set the weather for the entire toy trade. But today, KB is dead, and Toys R Us limps on as a shadow of its old self. In this series, we'll follow the heady climb and brutal downfall of KB and Toys R Us. It's a story of a retail revolutionary and a plucky mall rat underdog. Toy makers living under tyranny, crazy fads, and a private equity firm that will leave both brands bleeding out.

8:09This is Episode 1, Category Killer.

8:211950, Washington, D.C. On 18th Street, a pregnant woman pauses outside a three-story row house and peers through the window of the store on its first floor. Inside, she sees strollers, cribs, and high chairs. She thinks this store has just what she's looking for. The woman enters and the clean-cut young man behind the counter greets her. He's the 27-year-old owner, Charles Lazarus. Good morning, ma 'am. Welcome to Children's Bargain Town. You looking for anything today I can help you with? No, I'm just browsing. Thank you. Well, I'm right here if you need me, ma 'am. Lazarus gets back to filling in sales orders as the woman checks out the merchandise.

9:07Lazarus started this business two years ago, but he and this store go way back. He was born in its back room and raised above it. His father used this place to sell reconditioned bicycles, and Lazarus learned the ropes of the retail business while helping out after school. But Lazarus never planned to follow in his father's footsteps. He intended to go to college instead. But then came World War II. Lazarus joined the army and by the time he got back home at 22, he felt too old for college. So he set his sights on a career as a businessman and soon spied an opportunity. The servicemen returning from war were making up for lost time by getting married and starting families.

9:52And with a baby boom underway, Lazarus recognized that demand for baby furniture was about to soar. So he took over the family store and used the$5 ,000 he had saved for his college tuition to turn it into a baby store. The pregnant woman stops browsing and approaches Lazarus. Excuse me, do you have any baby toys? No, ma 'am. Only baby furniture. Not even a rattle? No, sorry, ma 'am. The woman looks disappointed. Like many post-war parents, she wants to indulge her children. Okay. I'll try somewhere else. Lazarus watches the woman leave and remembers he's gotten that question before. Suddenly, he realizes his mistake.

10:39His customers want toys for their babies, so why is it he's selling them?

10:47Lazarus adds rattles, cradle gems, and other baby toys to his shelves. And he soon notices that higher sales aren't the only benefit of stocking toys, because toys also mean repeat business. Baby furniture is a once-in-a-lifetime purchase. When families have a second child, they don't buy new furniture, they just reuse what they already have. But those same families keep buying toys. Their kids grow older and need new toys. Toys get broken and replaced. Different children like different toys. And birthdays and the holidays come around every year. The only downside is that every year during the holiday season, the big department stores expand the size of their toy selections, undercut independent retailers on price, and grab the lion's share of sales.

11:37But then, a trip to New York changes everything for Lazarus.

11:48It's 1952, and Lazarus is wandering wide-eyed through the vast EJ Corvette discount store in Manhattan. And it breaks every rule. It's more warehouse than store. The merchandise is piled high and in disarray. The floors are bare, the signage minimal, and the employees, few. Customers are left to fetch items themselves. and wheel them to the cash registers and shopping carts. A man pushing a cart approaches. I need to get past. Lazarus steps aside to make way, and then notices a booster seat in the man's cart. Sorry, excuse me, how much is that booster seat? $3.49. Lazarus blinks. In his stores, booster seats cost more than$5.

12:37Where can I find them? Into the aisle, then left two aisles. Thanks. Lazarus follows the directions and reaches the baby furniture area. He stares at the price tags in disbelief. Crib mattresses 44 % off. Toy chest 33%. Teddy bears 27 % off. With prices that low, it's no wonder that customers will put up with a Spartan interior and bare-bones service. He remembers how his father told him big stores sell items for less because they buy in bulk and so get lower prices from manufacturers. He decides then and there that he needs to go big. Bigger than any toy store's ever gone.

13:29Back in D.C., Lazarus turns an empty supermarket next to his baby furniture store into a toy supermarket. It's a high-risk move. He has to buy a lot of inventory up front, but nowhere else in DC can beat him on choice or price. His store offers 4 ,000 toys at 30 to 60 % off the regular price. And his timing's perfect, because the toy business is about to transform. Before the war, kids knew very little about what toys were for sale. Their knowledge was limited to what they saw in their local toy store or department store catalogs. Toymakers rarely bothered to market their products directly to children.

14:13Instead, they focused on convincing stores to stock their creations. But now, there are televisions in millions of homes. And that lets toymakers showcase their wares to children all year round. On Christmas morning, Tommy's dream came true. because Tommy had told his father that he wanted Lionel, just the low-priced Lionel Scout train set with a few Lionel accessories. Yes, even the simplest of Lionel train sets and track layouts is a wonderful, thrilling, complete model railroad. TV advertising flips the industry on its head. Kids now lobby parents to buy the name brand toys they've seen on TV.

14:56Parents now want stores that sell the hottest toys at the lowest prices. And that makes Lazarus' super-sized toy store a prime destination.

15:13It's 1960, and inside the new Children's Super Mart in Bailey's Crossroads, Virginia, the pre-Christmas rush is on. Kids run riot through the aisles, ride display hobby horses, and burst into tears as their outraged parents refuse to buy them that salacious new Barbie doll. For the kids, this is a wonderland. 20 ,000 square feet filled with every toy imaginable, and then some. For the parents, it's Christmas shopping made cheap and quick. No more trawling multiple stores for that elusive toy. Children's Supermart has them all, from the ever-popular Shirley Temple dolls, the season's big new board game, The Game of Life, all at unbeatable prices with no-questions-asked returns and 200 parking spaces outside.

16:05Those savings also mean no Santas, no credit, no carpets, no deliveries, and no gift wrapping. But that's a sacrifice many are willing to pay. Now, thousands of D.C. area shoppers choose Children's Supermart over the toy sections at local department stores. In just eight years, Lazarus has gone from a small neighborhood store to a multi-million dollar empire with three supersized Children's Supermart stores, a warehouse, and a small fleet of trailer trucks. But he's still perfecting the concept. He wants the signs for his stores to be in huge letters, but that's not possible with a name as long as Children's Supermart.

16:49So he thinks of the shortest name he can. Toys R Us. Then he reverses the R in Toys R Us to make the logo more childish and memorable. Teachers and some parents object, but Lazarus ignores them. In 1965, he makes a dewy-eyed cartoon giraffe called Jeffrey the official mascot of Toys R Us. By then, there are four Toys R Us stores, all in the D.C. area, selling$12 million of toys a year. But Lazarus isn't satisfied yet. He thinks Toys R Us could go national. But every new store costs more than a half a million dollars to open. and he doesn't have deep enough pockets to take the chain to the next level.

17:40So in January 1967, Lazarus sells Toys R Us to department store operator Interstate for$7.5 million. As part of the deal, he stays on as the toy store's CEO. But as Lazarus prepares to supersize Toys R Us, In a New England shopping mall, two former candy men are about to make a move on the toy scene.

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20:06It's June 1963 at a strip mall on the edge of Pittsfield, Massachusetts, and Dick Kaufman is showing a local newspaper reporter the latest addition to his family's toy business. Playworld is the only dedicated toy store in the area. There are 2 ,000 square feet of toys here. The reporter dutifully jots down the number and then follows Kaufman through the aisles. We've got toys for all ages. Fisher-Price Creative coasters for youngsters. Chemistry sets for older children. Electric trains for fathers. Tonka trucks, board games, tiny tears dolls. Kaufman is buzzing about the opening of this store.

20:45He's the son of one of the two founders of Kaufman Brothers. Kaufman Brothers opened in 1922 as a candy wholesaler, before reinventing itself as a toy distributor in the 1940s. Now, the company supplies toys to stores within a 100-mile radius from its base in Pittsfield. But with the opening of Playworld, it's expanding into retail. At the next aisle, Kaufman looks at the reporter with a twinkle in his eye. And here, and this is something I'm really excited about, we have our imported toys. We have troll dolls from Denmark, matchbox cars from Britain, Steve teddy bears from Germany. You'd be hard-pressed to find these even in Boston.

21:25The reporter makes a note, and then asks a question. So, will you open more stores like this? Kaufman looks alarmed, and shakes his head. Oh, no, no. We're a toy wholesaler. We don't want to compete with our own customers. We only opened this store here because Pittsfield didn't already have a toy store. But the Kauffman Brothers' one-off retail side hustle soon becomes two stores, then three. As the 1960s continue, the company keeps adding stores in malls around the northeast of the country. In 1971, with its retail presence growing, the company quits the wholesale business, and in 1973, they unite their 26 stores under one name, KB Toy and Hobby.

22:15But the Kaufman family isn't looking to replicate the toy superstore model of Toys R Us. Their plan is to get shoppers inside the nation's malls to make impulse buys. Families who go to Toys R Us arrive having already made the decision to buy toys. Most mall shoppers aren't looking for toys and games. They've come to shop at Sears or JCPenney. KB's plan is to lure those mall visitors through its doors, as once they step inside, there's a strong chance they'll leave with a toy bought on impulse. But as KB starts building its presence in the malls, Toys R Us unveils its first TV ad, featuring a tap-dancing Jeffrey the Giraffe.

23:00Toys R Us is expanding fast under its new owner, Interstate. The chain's founder, Charles Lazarus, is using Interstate's money to open new stores at a rapid clip. When he sold the business in 1966, there were just four stores all around Washington, D.C. Now, there are 47 Toys R Us stores all over the country, and sales are rising 30 % a year. The chain's also installed a mainframe computer that tracks the items sold and automatically orders new inventory. As a result, Toys R Us staff no longer need to roam the store counting inventory and then writing out orders for new ones by hand. But while Toys R Us appears to be thriving, the rest of Interstate is dying.

23:57At the same time as buying Toys R Us, Interstate began opening discount stores in an attempt to challenge the likes of Kmart and Target. Instead, it's racking up major losses. And in 1974, with losses of$60 million, its discount disaster drags the whole business under. The company files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection to stop its creditors calling in their debts, while it tries to fix the business by pairing it back to its profitable department stores and Toys R Us. The move saves Toys R Us, but also slams the brakes on its growth. For months, the future of the toy retailer hangs in the balance.

24:43Lenders cut off its credit. Investors sue in an attempt to seize control of the business. Then, they sue again, seeking$110 million in damages, enough to finish off the company for good. Meanwhile, Lazarus battles to keep Toys R Us stores stocked. Interstate's bankruptcy leaves him without the money needed to buy toys to put on the shelves. So, he begs the nation's biggest toy manufacturers for help, and they say yes almost immediately. None of them wants to see Toys R Us go down. Every year it sells$200 million worth of toys, and unlike other toy retailers, it's got the space to carry every toy.

25:28So the toy makers give Toys R Us many months to pay for the toys it buys, instead of the usual 30 to 60 days after delivery. And that gives the chain time to get toys onto its shelves and sell them before the toy maker's bills come due. But that doesn't mean Toys R Us is about to go soft on the toy makers it buys from.

25:571975, El Segundo, California. In the Mattel boardroom, the toy giant sales team is hosting a private showcase of its latest prototypes for Toys R Us chief buyer, Cy Ziv. He's a square-jawed man with short, messy hair, and for 25 years he's been Lazarus's right-hand man. His instinct for hit toys is legendary, as is his temper. He takes a sip of his coffee and watches a Mattel sales executive remove the lid of a miniature plastic garbage can, and then holds it upside down. Ziv leans closer as a lump of yellow-green gunk slips out of the can and onto the meeting room table with a splat. Looks like snot, the Mattel executive grins.

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26:43I know, fantastic, right? Kids will love it. It's so gross, we haven't named it yet, but slime is the lead contender. You can squeeze it, you can stretch it, and squish it. Zev scoops the gooey mess off the table. It feels cold and clammy. He kneads it in his hands for a moment, and then lets it dribble through his fingers. So what's it made of? Guargum, mainly. That's a food additive, right? So is it safe if a kid eats it? I wouldn't advise eating it, but it is non-toxic. It's also washable. Ziv raises an eyebrow. Are you sure? Yeah, we're sure. Suddenly, Ziv stands and throws his handful of slime onto the office carpet.

27:30The Mattel executives look panicked. But Ziv isn't done yet. He stamps hard on the goo, then grinds it deep into the carpet with the heel of his shoe. Next, he grabs his coffee mug and pours it onto the ground-in slime. He then looks back at the stunned Mattel sales executive. Are you still sure? The Mattel executive looks at the snotty mess on the company's once pristine carpet and rubs the back of his neck. Well, maybe not that sure. Well, uh, out of warning. Good decision. The Mattel executives force a laugh, but they're mainly relieved that Ziv chose to rub it into the carpet rather than into their hair.

28:16Not that they would have objected if he had, because no matter how many expensive prototypes he smashes up or dressing downs he gives, Ziv places the biggest orders in the business. orders so large that it can make or break a product. And Toys R Us' power over the toy industry is only going to grow.

28:43In May 1976, Interstate makes Lazarus its new CEO and charges him with leading the company out of bankruptcy. He secures a new line of credit, slims down the department store division, begins opening new stores and renames the entire business after its most profitable arm, Toys R Us. And in April 1978, he leads Toys R Us out of bankruptcy protection. By then, there are 72 Toys R Us stores nationwide, all following the exact same formula. They're located near big shopping centers, but never inside because of the high rents. They undercut rival retailers by 15 to 30 percent. They're laid out in the exact same way regardless of where they are in the country.

29:33And a computer decides what items are sent to which store based on analysis of sales data. It's a rigid formula, but also a winning one. In 1978, Toys R Us sales hit$237 million, cementing its position as America's top toy seller. But while Toys R Us returns in a blaze of glory, KB is spreading fast. And soon, it's going to roll the dice on a deal that could help it win big.

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31:34It's July 1981, and in a law office in Lee, Massachusetts, Melville Corporation is closing in on its latest acquisition. Melville's been in business for more than a century, it, but few consumers know its name. But they sure know its stores. It's the owner of brands like the shoe sellers Meldisco and Tom McCann, the apparel store Chess King, and the drugstore chain CBS. And soon, it hopes to add another brand to its empire of mall-based specialty stores, KB. Melville President Kenneth Berlin smiles at Howard Kaufman. KB is a natural adjunct to our business. It's well run. We like its focus, how you focus on selling toys at discount prices and don't get distracted by trying to sell slower moving items like pools, bicycles, or baby furniture.

32:28Kaufman nods. It's taken almost a decade to hone KB's strategy, but now it's paying off. There are 234 KB stores spread across 41 states, generating sales of$98 million a year. But it's also been the family business for 59 years, and while the idea of cashing out appeals, letting go is hard. So what plans do you have for KB? We want to get more stores open. Toys and games are a business primed for strong growth. We want more KBs out there than any other toy store. More investment in advertising, too. Beyond that, we don't envision big changes. And that includes you. We want you to stick around.

33:13Kaufman smiles. That's flattering, but this really comes down to money. I'm here representing the whole family. It has to work out financially, you know what I mean? Berlin nods and takes a folded slip of paper from the inside pocket of his suit jacket. Naturally, here's the number we're thinking. Berlin hands Kaufman the note. He unfolds it and sees$64.2 million. He looks at Berlin. Cash a stock. Cash. Six million when the deal's signed. The rest paid in installments over the next three years. So, we have a deal? Kaufman rises from his chair and shakes Berlin's hand. Yes, yes we do.

34:09A few days later, Melville acquires KB Toys and sets a goal of having 500 stores open by 1985. It's a push for growth that will see KB owning more stores than Toys R Us. But while KB moves to win the dollars of mall kids, Toys R Us is upping its game with a major TV ad push based around a new theme song.

34:59But Toys R Us isn't just relying on its new earworm to cement itself as the go-to place for toys. It's also using technology.

35:131982, Toys R Us headquarters, New Jersey. In his office, the senior board games buyer checks the latest report from the retailer's mainframe that's just come off the printer. Ever since Toys R Us first installed computers to keep track of its enormous inventory, the chain's use of the technology has developed fast. It now has electronic sales terminals that feed data back to the head office. And that's helping its computer spot trends even sooner. And today, it's spotted something unusual. An unexpected spike in sales of a dull-looking and overpriced board game called Trivial Pursuit. The executive studies the printout.

35:57He didn't expect much sales action from this Canadian oddity. Its box looks like something from the 19th century. Its price tag is higher than the latest Atari video game cartridges, and its collection of trivia questions concern things that happened long before the children of the 80s were born. But the computer report is showing rapid growth in sales. He picks up the phone and calls one of his buyers. Hey, come into my office for a moment. The junior buyer enters. The senior buyer hands him the report. Now, you're a stats guy, right? What do you make of this? The junior buyer looks at the numbers.

36:35Well, that's a pretty clear trend. And a big trend, right? If it continues, but, uh, well, if it does, you're looking at, well, crazy numbers. Like the biggest board game since Monopoly. you'd have to put in a massive order. The senior buyer nods. All right then, that's what we're doing. Uh, really? I'm not sure even the publisher believes in this game. And no one believed kids would buy pet rocks either. But they did. Toys are fashion, kid, it doesn't need to make sense. Today it's in, next week baby it's not. Better to take a small hit on some board game than miss the gold rush. Armed with the data, Toys R Us jacks up its orders of Trivial Pursuit, a board game that tests a player's knowledge.

37:24It took off after its PR consultant sent copies to Hollywood actors, who then got hooked on the game, ratcheting up its cool factor. And that Christmas, as the game's popularity rockets, Toys R Us becomes one of the few stores to have it in stock. Joe Wegman says he's received about 20 requests per day for the game. His shop has been sold out for about two weeks, and he's not alone. According to the distributor, there are over one million back orders, and it will probably be the end of January before they are filled. So if you're searching around for that special board game, good luck. Your individual pursuit of trivial pursuit may extend into the new year.

38:06Jerome Gray, WTVR News 6, Richmond. But while Toys R Us is putting its faith in computers, KB is taking a less high-tech road. Instead of trying to spot trends before they happen, it wants closeouts, the products clogging up toy makers' warehouses. These are toys and games that never caught fire or burned out faster than toy makers expected, and KB knows it can buy them dirt cheap and then sell them to shoppers for a price low enough to encourage the impulse buys that the chain relies on. It's a bottom-feeder strategy. but it's paying dividends. KB might be the graveyard of failed toys, but they still sell.

38:50By 1988, it has more than 700 stores, and those stores are slinging$780 million of toys a year. KB is about to displace Child World as the number two toy retailer. By then, however, Toys R Us has morphed from a business that follows trends to one that sets them. One in every four toys sold in America passes through its stores, and it's already advancing internationally, too, opening stores in Britain, Canada, France, Malaysia, Taiwan, and West Germany. It's 40 years since Lazarus opened his baby furniture store, and as the 1980s draw to a close, Toys R Us seems destined to rule Toyland forever.

39:41But the 1990s are coming, and by the time they're over, Toys R Us and KB will find themselves living in a very different and far more hostile world. On the next episode, Toys R Us becomes the playground bully, KB seeks an edge on the web, and Barbie plays both sides.

40:14From Wondery, this is episode one of Toys R Us vs. KB Toys for Business Wars. If you like this series, we suggest you check out our series CBS vs. Walgreens. A quick note about recreations you've been hearing. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. Those scenes are dramatizations, but they're based on historical research. If you'd like to learn more about the founder of Toys R Us, We recommend the book Charles P. Lazarus by Ann Koopman. I'm your host, David Brown. Tristan Donovan of Yellow Ant Media wrote this story. Karen Lowe is our senior producer and editor. Edited and produced by Emily Frost.

40:52Sound design by Ryan Potesta. Voice acting by Kerry Kavanaugh. Our senior managing producer is Ryan Lohr. Our managing producer is Matt Gant. Our coordinating producer is Desi Blaylon. Our producer is Dave Schilling. Our executive producers are Jenny Lauer Beckman and Marshall Louis for Wondery.

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41:52But behind that story lies another, one of conflict, betrayal, and brutal violence against the very people who helped the Pilgrims survive. Follow American History Tellers on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of American History Tellers The Mayflower early and ad-free right now on Wondery+.

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It’s the 1950s and in Washington D.C., Charles Lazarus is running a small baby furniture store in the house he was born in.


But when a customer comes seeking toys, Lazarus starts on the path towards creating a toy superstore empire called Toys “R” Us and building immense wealth.


And he’s not the only businessman chasing toy riches. In Massachusetts, a wholesaler called Kaufman Brothers is building a rival toy chain in the nation’s shopping malls.

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