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Business Wars: Toys R Us vs KB Toys | Tears 'R' Us | Episode 4 Notes
Episode Summary In this episode of *Business Wars*, host David Brown explores the fierce competition between two major toy retailers, Toys R Us and KB Toys, during the early 2000s. The episode highlights the financial struggles both companies faced as they battled against Walmart's aggressive pricing strategies and the rise of online retail, particularly from Amazon. The narrative spans the years 2004 to 2018, detailing the bankruptcy filings, strategic missteps, and the eventual collapse of Toys R Us.
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Key Themes and Concepts
- The Competitive Landscape
- Walmart's Price War: The episode opens with KB Toys facing significant pressure from Walmart's aggressive pricing strategies. This led to a significant decline in sales and ultimately pushed KB towards bankruptcy.
- Amazon's Rise: The partnership between Toys R Us and Amazon begins to unravel as Amazon expands its offerings to include competitors, undermining Toys R Us' market position.
- Bankruptcy and Strategic Decisions
- KB Toys Bankruptcy: In early 2004, KB Toys announces its Chapter 11 bankruptcy amidst mounting debts and a failing business model.
- Toys R Us' Struggles: As Toys R Us grapples with its own financial issues, including a 5% decline in sales during the holidays, it faces critical decisions about store closures and workforce reductions.
- Exclusive Partnerships and Legal Battles
- Partnership with Amazon: The exclusive deal with Amazon proves problematic as Toys R Us accuses Amazon of breaching their contract by allowing competitors to sell on their platform.
- Litigation: Toys R Us files a lawsuit against Amazon, seeking damages and a dissolution of their agreement, citing Amazon's failure to honor exclusivity.
- Consumer Trends and Market Pressures
- Shift to Online Retail: The episode discusses the consumer shift towards online shopping, exacerbated by Amazon's convenience and Walmart's pricing.
- Declining Interest in Toys: A cultural shift where children are losing interest in traditional toys at a younger age further threatens both retailers.
- The Demise of Toys R Us
- Final Bankruptcy: In 2017, Toys R Us files for bankruptcy again, citing over $5 billion in debt and an inability to compete with Walmart and Amazon.
- Store Closures: The company announces the closure of all its U.S. stores, leading to the loss of 30,000 jobs and the end of an iconic retail brand.
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Pivotal Moments
- January 14, 2004: Announcement of KB Toys' bankruptcy and the ensuing employee reactions.
- February 2004: Toys R Us feels the impact of its failing partnership with Amazon, leading to legal actions.
- March 2018: Toys R Us' final announcement to close all stores, marking the end of an era for the toy retail giant.
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Conclusion The episode encapsulates the intense rivalry between Toys R Us and KB Toys against a backdrop of shifting market dynamics and consumer preferences. It serves as a cautionary tale of how traditional retailers can struggle to adapt to changing landscapes, ultimately leading to their demise in the face of fierce competition from both physical and online retailers.
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Key Takeaways
- The importance of adapting business models to current market conditions.
- The impact of strategic partnerships on business viability.
- The critical role of financial management during periods of crisis.
- The long-term effects of emerging consumer behaviors on established retail brands.
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Future Perspectives With the recent announcement of a planned comeback for Toys R Us in partnership with True Kids, there is hope for the brand's revival in 2024, potentially creating a new generation of "Toys R Us kids." The episode closes with a look toward this future while reminiscing about the nostalgic significance of the brand.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:08January 14th, 2004, just before 9am, Pittsfield, Massachusetts. A KB Toys employee turns off West Street and into the parking lot of the company's headquarters. She's late, held up by the snow piled up in her driveway. She pulls into a spare space and races toward the entrance of KB's three-story head office. She senses something's wrong immediately. There's no one at reception. She heads down the corridor. The place is like a ghost town. Then she hears talking, and it's coming from the cafeteria. She heads in. The place is packed. Everyone's assembled, and it's standing room only. She squeezes into a space next to a colleague who's lined up against the wall.
0:52What's going on? Not sure yet. They just called us in. You think today's the day? The man doesn't reply, but he knows what she's talking about. Rumors have swirled around the office for months that KB is about to go bankrupt. And that was before Walmart's all-out price war during the holidays. A hush descends as CEO Michael Glazer walks through the cafeteria and clambers onto one of the tables. Glazer's a playful guy who keeps an arcade racing game in his office. He's led KB for eight years and helped engineer the deal with Bain Capital that took the business private. But he's not smiling today.
1:30The employees brace for the inevitable. Morning, everybody. Last night, the board of directors decided we will apply for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. The news is greeted with sad silence. No one's surprised, but still, hearing it said aloud, stings. Glazer continues, We've had two miserable holidays back-to-back. This past December was brutal, the worst in my eight years here. But filing for Chapter 11 is a proactive and positive move. It worked for Kmart, and it can work for us. An employee near the front raises his hand. Are we going to lose our jobs? There will be headcount reductions here.
2:14We'll also close up to 500 stores. A ripple of concern sweeps through the room. We just have too many stores that aren't profitable, and we have to get out of those stores. However, these reductions aren't inevitable. If landlords reduce rents, the scale of closures and job losses could be much lower. But I know that we will emerge stronger from this. The employees want to believe him. But KB owes hundreds of millions of dollars to lenders, landlords, and suppliers. And then there's an even bigger problem. Its entire business model. KB's mall-based stores are saddled with high rents and long leases.
2:55Its shelves are packed with old toys sold at deep discounts, and new toys that cost more at KB than they do at Walmart or Toys R Us. It's a dated business model designed for the heyday of the mall. and there's no easy way to change it. And it's not the only toy retailer in trouble. After Walmart's vicious price war, Toys R Us is also shell-shocked and wondering whether it can reinvent itself before it's too late.
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5:32From Wondery, I'm David Brown and this is Business Wars.
6:22Toys R Us Incoming. Amazon. This is Episode 4, Tears Are Us.
6:37It's February 2004, and in Manhattan, Toy Fair's back. But this year, there's a cloud hanging over the annual showcase for the toy manufacturers. As delegates roam the exhibition hall checking out the latest inventions, the industry is also assessing the damage from the Great Toy War of 2004. And it's not pretty. KB Toys and FAO Schwartz are on life support. Countless independent stores are history. And even the mighty Toys R Us is bloodied. During the holidays, Toys R Us sales fell 5%. So it's trimming costs, shutting stores, and switching most of its staff to part-time employees. Walmart now owns 25 % of the toy market, far ahead of Toys R Us' 17%.
7:24But away from the exhibition floor, in hotel suites around the Flatiron District, toy makers are coming to Toys R Us' aid. In one suite, a sales rep from Mattel's Fisher-Price division is in deep conversation with a Toys R Us buyer. Bottom line is, we want to help. We're concerned about how Hokey Pokey Elmo got devalued last fall. We're a premium brand. Elmo's important to us. We don't want to repeat this Christmas. The Toys R Us buyer nods. Hokey Pokey Elmo spearheaded Walmart's barrage of discounts last year. Believe me, we'd rather have had Elmo on our shelves at$30. It doesn't need discounts to sell.
8:08We missed out on a lot of money from slashing the price, but we can't just sit around and do nothing when Walmart's discounting that hard. The Fisher Price sales rep leans closer. The thing is, we don't want a world where toys get devalued like that. And we don't want a situation where Walmart's the only game in town. So here's our offer. This year, Hokey Pokey Elmo is exclusive to Toys R Us. It's a shot in the arm for you and a chance for us to remind Walmart that Elmo's not going to be their loss leader. The Toys R Us buyer smiles. And Fisher Price isn't the only supplier coming to help. Hour after hour, toy makers big and small offer Toys R Us hot exclusives.
8:53None of them can afford to shun Walmart. But they all want to ensure Walmart's got competition. But even as the toy makers it once terrorized rally to save its stores, Toys R Us finds itself at war on another front.
9:13April 2004, Oakland, California. In a large meeting room in a law firm's office, the hope of reaching a consensus is fading. For nearly two days, executives from Toys R Us and Amazon have been clashing over the future of their online alliance. An Amazon executive reiterates the online retail giant's stance. We're simply allowing people to sell the toys you don't have on our site. What's the problem with that? The head of the Toys R Us delegation resists the urge to yell back. You know the problem. The problem is it's in violation of our strategic partnership. The contract is clear. We have exclusivity.
9:52We're paying$50 million a year to keep our competitors off Amazon.com, and you're letting them in. The contract has exceptions to the exclusivity terms, and we're using them because you are unable or unwilling to supply the level and range of product required under the contract. We stock thousands of different toys. Our goal is to be the everything store, and you don't offer everything. Then there's the issue of stock. You ran out of best-selling toys during the holidays last year, and that hurt our efforts to compete with Walmart. The two sides pause and eye each other from across the table. They hoped mediation would resolve the growing tension between them.
10:31But instead, it's made it crystal clear that the partnership deal they signed back in the year 2000 isn't working. The head of Toys R Us' delegation checks his watch and then rises from his chair. His team stands, too. He looks at the Amazon delegation. We're wasting our time here. You're in breach of contract, and unless you give us a reason to stay right now, we're walking out of here and filing a lawsuit. The Amazon team leans back in their chairs and crosses their arms. The Toys R Us team walks out. Twenty minutes later, Toys R Us files its lawsuit against Amazon. It wants unspecified damages or its money back and the right to walk away.
11:18A few weeks later, Amazon hits back with a countersuit, seeking damages from Toys R Us for not having an adequate supply of toys to meet demand.
11:31The breakup leaves Toys R Us fighting on two fronts. Online, it's duking it out with Amazon, the world's top e-retailer. And on the streets, it's locked in a life-or-death struggle with Walmart, the world's largest brick-and-mortar retailer. But in late 2004, Toys R Us enters the holiday season ready to fight. Its prices are competitive. It offers tempting combo deals and heavily touts the hot exclusives it's getting from toy manufacturers. But it's not enough. Sales slide again. And market share shrinks to 15%, low enough to raise the prospect of Target replacing Toys R Us as the number two toy seller.
12:16And customer satisfaction with Toys R Us is declining too, thanks to the store's new reliance on part-time staff. With sales sagging, the company's board of directors makes a shocking decision. It's going to explore selling its toy stores, so it can focus on its more profitable Babies R Us division instead. And in Boston, the news that Toys R Us is up for sale grabs the attention of the investment firm that used to control KB Toys, Bain Capital.
12:53March 16, 2005, Wayne, New Jersey. In the Toys R Us boardroom, the company's directors are working late. They've spent seven months soliciting bids for the toy store division. Now, the time to decide has come. CEO John Eiler picks up a whiteboard eraser and heads to the whiteboard. So Apollo's out because they only want Toys R Us and not Babies R Us? The directors nod. They've decided that the bidding is now high enough to justify selling Toys R Us and Babies R Us as a package. Eiler wipes Apollo off the board. There are now just two bidders left. The first is a consortium led by New York's Cerebrus Capital.
13:38The other is a consortium involving Bain Capital, KB Toys' largest stockholder. Eiler points to Cerebrus on the board. Let's start with Cerebrus. Their real estate is a big attraction for them. They were the first to seek to keep Toys R Us and Babies R Us together. They've offered$5.5 billion. That was at the high end of estimates. but Eiler points to Bain's consortium. Now that Bain's brought KKR in, their offer's risen to$6.6 billion. I think they're genuinely interested in running the toys business. One director throws out a question. Bain is the largest stockholder in KB Toys. Is a merger in the cards?
14:21I don't think so. KB's still in Chapter 11, and from what I understand, Bain will likely lose control of KB when the reorganization's completed. To me, the choice is clear. The Bain-KKR-Vornado bid is far higher. The only question I have, really, is do we postpone a decision and ask Cerebus to increase their offer? One director responds. Cerebus hasn't shown interest in increasing their bid. I just think Bain's the way to go. Eiler sees the rest of the board nodding. Okay, well, let's vote. All in favor of accepting the Bain, KKR, and Vernado offer, raise your hand. Well, that's a clear yes. The directors start to clear up their belongings, ready to head home.
15:09A few months later, the sale of Toys R Us is complete. The toy retailer is now a private company once again. But to get it, Bain, KKR, and Vernado have had to line up billions in loans. and those debts will weigh heavily on the company.
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17:09May 2005, Wilmington, Delaware. In a law office, attorneys from KB Toys and its creditors are finalizing a comeback plan. KB's been in Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection for almost 18 months. and now a way out of it looks possible. But the clock is ticking. Tomorrow is the deadline for KB and its creditors to provide the U.S. bankruptcy court with a plan to reorganize the company and take it out of Chapter 11. But if KB and its creditors can't agree on a joint plan, they will have to submit competing plans, leaving the future of KB uncertain. KB's attorney checks off another point of agreement. Ownership of KB will transfer at Apprentice Capital Management in exchange for$20 million cash and a$25 million credit line.
17:57The creditor's attorney nods. He represents the toy makers who are owed tens of millions by KB, including Hasbro, Mattel, and Lego. Agreed. But we want new leadership, not just new ownership. We believe that's reasonable given the financial management of the company prior to Chapter 11. KB's attorney knows what the creditors are getting at. Back in April 2002, KB's top executives and majority shareholder, Bain Capital, withdrew$121 million from the business. The creditors contend that move devastated KB's finances, leading to its bankruptcy. But Bain puts the blame squarely at the feet of the toy makers.
18:37It argues that the chain's financial crisis was caused by Walmart's aggressive price cuts. price cuts that were made possible by toy makers selling toys to Walmart at lower prices than KB was offered. But KB no longer wants to fight the toy manufacturers. It just wants a path forward. We can accept a change in CEO. The creditor's attorney smiles. The next day, KB and its creditors submit their joint plan to bring the chain out of bankruptcy. The core idea is that KB can hold its own by doing the opposite of the big box stores. Instead of offering rock-bottom prices and a bare-bones shopping experience, it will offer great customer service and attractive interactive displays that will make KB a go-to destination.
19:28Its goal is to be the most fun store in the mall, an experience, not just a shop. The court signs off on the plan, and on August 29, 2005, KB Toys exits Chapter 11. But it's a much leaner company now. Four years ago, KB had 1 ,300 stores. Now, just 650 remain. Thousands of staff are gone. It's sold off its eToys website, too. But even with the changes, many industry watchers doubt whether the future's bright for KB. But while KB looks forward to life after Bane, Bane's latest plaything, Toys R Us, is squaring up to face Amazon in court.
20:24September 2005. In the Superior Court in Patterson, New Jersey, Toys R Us' bearded attorney Michael Dockerman pulls out a Star Wars lightsaber. He stalks across the courtroom and jabs his lightsaber at the image of Amazon.com being projected on the screen. Here and here we see paid-for advertisements for toys being sold on Amazon's website by eToys. Dockerman turns to the man in the witness box, John Eiler, the former CEO of Toys R Us. Back in the year 2000, he led the toy retailer into its online partnership with Amazon. Mr. Eiler, is this a breach of the exclusivity Amazon promised Toys R Us?
21:07Eiler leans toward the microphone. Definitely. We would never have agreed to the deal if we weren't guaranteed to be the exclusive seller of toys and baby products on Amazon's website. So you agreed to set up shop inside Amazon's virtual mall, expecting to be the only seller of toys and baby products in the mall? Yes. Now, what did you do when Amazon began putting other toy sellers like Target and eToys into their virtual shopping mall? We objected strongly. Dockerman checks his notes and then resumes his questioning. You and Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos met in the summer of 2003 to discuss your concerns.
21:50Can you tell the court what happened in that meeting? We were informed that Amazon is introducing new technology to build a marketplace where small merchants can also sell toys. We felt this breached the exclusivity we were promised. Amazon tried to persuade us to relax the exclusivity terms of our partnership. We declined. So what happened next? Well, they introduced the technology anyway. That was when we concluded our differences were irreconcilable and sued to end the partnership. Dockerman lowers his lightsaber. But a few days later, he's back in the courtroom, ready to duel with Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos.
22:34Judge Margaret McVeigh watches Bezos sit down on the witness stand. I'm afraid the aircon isn't working today, Mr. Bezos. So you're literally in the hot seat. Bezos laughs and then readies for Toys R Us' attack. Dockerman brings up Amazon.com on the projector screen. Let's do a search for Brio train sets. Amazon's lawyer jumps up from his seat. Objection. This is expedient and unfair. Judge McVeigh glances at him. Overruled. Dockerman's assistant does the search. Dockerman points at the search results with his lightsaber. Here we see 60 results, including several from a rival seller called Trainsets Only.
23:16Now let's look at their Amazon-linked website. The assistant clicks on the link. Dockerman waves his lightsaber at the Trainsets Only page. Look, no results from competitors. Mr. Bezos, can you explain why Amazon lets Trainsets Only list its products exclusively while it puts results from competitors on its website for Toys R Us? Bezos leans toward the microphone. Our different feature sets are out of sync from time to time. Can you define the word competitor? Sure. Sometimes it's clear-cut, like Coke versus Pepsi. Other times it's more complex. Do books compete with going to the movies? I don't think of it that way, but they do compete for people's leisure time, so in that sense, they are competitors.
24:05Well, it seems to me that under your definition, sir, train sets only, does compete with Toys R Us. Your company promised Toys R Us that it would not allow competitors on Amazon.com. Yet, here's one. Can you explain why? We wouldn't have entered the deal with Toys R Us if we couldn't ensure a broad selection of products for our customers. We want to be free to use other merchants to sell the stuff that Toys R Us doesn't want to sell. Wanting to be free to do that, and being free to do that under this contract, are two different things. Now, when you met Mr. Eiler of Toys R Us in summer of 2003, you hoped to modify the exclusivity terms of that deal, didn't you?
24:48Yes. But no agreement was reached. Thus this trial. The courtroom joust between Toys R Us and Amazon continues for days. And it's Toys R Us that's racking up the points. The following March, Judge McVeigh delivers her verdict. She rules that Amazon violated its agreement with Toys R Us, didn't act in good faith with its promise of exclusivity to the toy retailer, and criticizes Bezos for his selective memory of events in court. She also frees Toys R Us from its deal with Amazon. And in July 2006, Toys R Us splits from Amazon and takes$100 million of sales with it. Amazon loses an appeal and eventually settles by paying Toys R Us$50 million in damages.
25:42But while it's lost Toys R Us' online business, Amazon is not about to quit toys. And as Amazon ups its play for online toy sales, Walmart gears up for another all-out assault on rival toy sellers. As the 2008 holidays begin, Walmart drops the equivalent of an atomic bomb on the competition by selling in-demand toys for just$10. It's a brutally low price, and both Toys R Us and KB Toys have little choice but to strain as hard as they can to match it. But no matter how hard they slash prices and profits to the bone, they can't get anywhere close to Walmart's$10 price tags. And for KB Toys, it's the final straw.
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29:02Then the financial crisis and Walmart's$10 deals hit, killing profits and sales almost overnight. Balin steals himself and runs through the depressing details. We will be reducing the workforce here at headquarters from 270 to just 30. It'll happen in phases over the next several weeks. I am sorry. I know how hard you all worked and the blood, sweat, and tears you gave. it's nobody's fault. KB goes out owing more than$190 million to 25 ,000 creditors from toy makers and landlords to marketing companies and battery manufacturers. With KB gone, Toys R Us finds itself alone on the battlefield as the last of the big toy store chains.
29:56And Walmart, Target, and Amazon are moving in for the kill.
30:16It's September 2009, and in Saugus, Massachusetts, there's a new store at the Square One Mall. And it looks a lot like KB Toys. It's got wide open entrances and neat stacks of toys spilling out of its doorway to lure shoppers in. But the sign above the door reads, Toys R Us Holiday Express. It's one of 80 new mall-based toy stores that the toy giant is opening for the holidays. Toys R Us is out to steal the dollars that used to go into KB's registers. But it's not the only one chasing them. Department stores have also spied a chance to fill the KB-shaped hole in the malls. So Sears, Macy's, and others are upping their efforts to drum up toy sales.
31:02But for Toys R Us, this is just the start of a major push to take on the mighty mass merchants that are now aggressively chasing its sales. And to do it, Toys R Us is looking to shore up its position as the only toy store in town. It's bought FAO Schwartz and E-Toys. A few days ago, it also bought the KB Toys brand. And it's opening more than 200 pop-up stores in Babies R Us and other locations, expanding its range of electronic toys and bulking up its online operations. The moves are all part of the new owner's plan to prepare Toys R Us for an initial public offering. The IPO is designed to raise$800 million and help the business reduce its debts.
31:50But every year, the company tries something new, from trade-ins to store makeovers, only for sales to slip again. Online, Amazon is taking over. In the streets, the lower prices and convenience of Walmart and Target are proving a bigger pull for shoppers than the wider selection on offer at Toys R Us. And the trend of kids losing interest in toys earlier and earlier only adds to the pressure. By 2013, with no rebound in sight and profits thinning, the company ditches its IPO and borrows$250 million to cover debts that were coming due.
32:37December 2015, Times Square, New York. In Toys R Us' flagship store, a hopeful man sprints towards the Nerf section. He races past fast-emptying shelves and the growing line of people, hoping for one last ride on the store's 60-foot-high Ferris wheel. But he slows to a stroll as he reaches the Nerf section. Damn. The shelves have already been picked clean. News that the flagship Toys R Us store is closing its doors today has spread fast. Across the store, people scuttle around, grabbing whatever heavily discounted items are still left on display. Near the Lego Zone, a fed-up boy sits amid the hollowed-out carcass of a million childhood dreams.
33:22In just under an hour, this store's giant Ferris wheel will stop turning, and its 20-foot animatronic T-Rex will roar no more.
33:36When this place opened in 2001, it was meant to mark the rebirth of Toys R Us. The chain had just come out of three grim holiday seasons marked by Walmart's rise, eroding customer satisfaction and online meltdowns. But 14 years later, little has gone Toys R Us' way. Walmart is more powerful than ever, and the shift from physical to online retail is accelerating. Toys R Us' sales have been in decline for years. In 2015, the chain loses nearly$300 million. It's also carrying$5.4 billion of debt from when Bain Capital, KKR and Vornado Realty came together to buy it. And that debt costs hundreds of millions a year to service.
34:25So now, Toys R Us' new CEO, Dave Brandon, is curbing costs wherever he can. And this flagship store had to go. The rent alone is$42 million a year. He lays people off, renegotiates the company's debts to make the terms less onerous, and pushes harder into online retail. He sells what's left of FAO Schwartz and sells the dormant KB Toys brand, too. But the more he cuts, the less ammunition Toys R Us has to keep Walmart, Target, and Amazon at bay. In 2017, Brandon finds himself back in talks with the money man, trying to get a reprieve on a$400 million debt repayment that'll come due the following year.
35:14But after weeks of discussion, the lenders say no. The news shakes the toy industry's confidence in Toys R Us and its worsening cash flow situation. Toymakers, wary of getting burned if Toys R Us goes bust, back away and offer the chain less generous terms. And that forces up costs and only deepens the chain's cash crisis. It's a death spiral, and there will be no escape. Not this time. On September 19, 2017, the inevitable happens.
35:59Richmond, Virginia. Inside the federal courthouse, an attorney for Toys R Us stands before the bankruptcy court and presses play on his laptop. The jingle familiar to millions rattles out. I don't want to go up. I'm a Toys R Us. kids. We got the best for so much less. You really flip your lips. From bikes to trains to video games. It's the biggest toy store there is. I don't want to grow up. Cause baby if I did, I couldn't be a Toys R Us kid. More games, more toys. Oh boy. I want to be a Toys R Us kid. The lawyer stops the music. For me and for many millions of other one-time Toys R Us kids, Toys R Us is not just a store but part of our childhood.
36:46It's a unique brand, a brand like no other. And that is why we are here today to request the court grants Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. This filing will help the company invest in its long-term growth and fuel its aspirations to bring play to kids everywhere and be a best friend of parents. This company is going to come back stronger. The court approves the toy store's request for Chapter 11 status, but it won't be coming back stronger. The holiday season only brings more woes, and it enters 2018$250 million short of the cash it needs to stay open. On March 14, 2018, Toys R Us announces that all of its 735 U.S.
37:34stores will close in June, leaving 30 ,000 people out of work. Eight days later, 94-year-old Toys R Us founder Charles Lazarus passes away.
37:55June 29th, 2018, Minnesota. In the Toys R Us in Maplewood, a 38-year-old man moves up the checkout line with a bunch of Lego sets he's picked from the shelves. Today, the last 200 Toys R Us stores in the country shut their doors. So he came here not just for the closeout bargains to be had, but for one final trip down memory lane. He looks at the older woman at the cash register. You know, I still remember the first time I went to Toys R Us. My grandma took me. I used to bawl at the checkout every time for one more toy. It's real sad it's closing down. How long you worked here? Probably long enough to have served your grandma while you were bawling your eyes out.
38:40I'm going to miss this place. And so will millions of others. Millions who long ago began buying toys at Walmart, Target, and Amazon instead. The demise of Toys R Us also pains the world's toy makers. Both Mattel and Hasbro find their sales hit because Walmart and Target carry less inventory than Toys R Us did. But in September 2023, after years of false starts, one-off store openings, and an ongoing alliance with Macy's, Toys R Us resurfaces. The brand's new owners, True Kids, announces a major comeback for 2024. It's going to open 24 new flagship stores nationwide, and smaller stores in airports and on cruise ships.
39:31And if it works, maybe there will be another generation of Toys R Us kids. After all.
39:43Hope you're ready to feel like a kid again, because coming up on Business Wars, we're talking all about the toys with Forbes retail reporter Joan Verdon. We'll also check in with Bruce Paschal, who's building out the world's most valuable collection of my favorite toy, Hot Wheels. Don't miss it.
40:04From Wondery, this is episode four of Toys R Us vs. KB Toys for Business Wars. If you like this series, we hope you'll check out our series Target vs. Walmart. A quick note about recreations you've been hearing. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. Those scenes are dramatizations, but they're based on historical research. I'm your host, David Brown. Tristan Donovan of Yellow Ant Media wrote this story. Karen Lowe is our senior producer and editor. Edited and produced by Emily Frost. Sound design by Ryan Potesta. Voice acting by Kerry Kavanaugh. Our senior managing producer is Ryan Lohr.
40:41Our managing producer is Matt Gant. Our producer is Dave Schilling. Our executive producers are Jenny Lauer-Beckman and Marshall Louie for Wondery.
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41:35Now we're pulling back the curtain and sharing that knowledge with you. Time to go beyond the highlights and get into the real heart of basketball. Watch Mind the Game now on YouTube, Prime Video, or listen wherever you get your podcasts.
From the publisher
It’s 2004 and toy retailers across America are assessing the post-holiday damage from Walmart’s brutal price attack.
And with KB Toys mortally wounded, it falls to Toys “R” Us to lead the fight. But when the debts mount and Amazon turns from friend to foe, Toys “R” Us ends up in a desperate battle for survival.
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