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0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out to SGG. The major stick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The king of KG. 24 seconds. A thousand percent confirmed. M-mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. M-m-m-m-m-m-mage. M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m Male 좀

0:34It's still rooted Bitch Male Wellington Bitch It's still rooted Oh, I'm sorry Oh, I'm sorry Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, oh. Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was Rappod. It was Rappod. It's professional wrestling. Happy, happy Friday. It is September 5th, the day after our Lord and Savior, your Beyonce's birthday and I am your forever 24 7 champion Peter Rosenberg coming at you at the moment from Long Island New York joining me in Philadelphia Pennsylvania is the physically large stack guy Greg welcome back from Paris oh um uh what was it a messy beaucoup ah so Natalie and I I forgot to tell you this last week and welcome to the show if you're listening to us live on of course pro wrestling nation 24 7 Sirius XM channel 156 we got Kelly and Ben on the production side today shouts to Zach shouts to Emilio shouts to dip who is unavailable he wanted to be a part of today's show and he he like sort of was like I don't know if I'm gonna be able to make it and then he was like laying out his schedule and I was like dude it's it's sweet you're considering this but you are not going to make it so dip is maybe one day in the future we can tell you why dip is indisposed today but not today but don't worry as you SG and I have you SG is riding high off of getting a shout out from his lord and savior that's right he's your tribal chief my tribal chief he's our tribal chief and apparently a fan of SGG I mean the feeling is mutual he appreciates your work let me just say that Roman Reigns appreciates your work I know for a fact I heard it first hand had a great time in Paris at Clash in Paris I just posted a video did you see did you see the video I posted on social not today I haven't been on social today so if you posted it today I didn't see it But we can get right into it.

3:08I know you have a lot of great videos from this weekend. I do. I do. But the one I threw up on there is Maya in the bowl taking in sort of Clash in Paris. And, you know, my favorite thing so far maybe about being Maya's dad is how cool she is. Like she just does not get – she is a lot like her mom. Like she just does not get phased by things. and maybe it's part of its growing up in Manhattan. You know, when she goes to bed at night, she can hear the West Side Highway. Like, there's things happening. But, like, we brought headphones for her, but Natalie left them in the hotel, and she texted me when she was on her way to the building and said, should I go back and get Maya's headphones?

3:56And I said, ah. I said, and I forget who I was with. I think I was with Big E. I was like, she'll be all right backstage without headphones, right? He was like, yeah, backstage, it's fine. It's not loud back here. So then I said, once she got there, I went, well, let's take her in the bowl. We'll just make sure we take her in the middle of a match. So there's no pyro. There's no music. The loudest it will be is the crowd, which is loud, but I'm not worried about it being dangerously loud. Right. So, but you know, that Paris crowd was different. and so the video that I posted is Maya sort of taking it in and then Natalie was filming us with this camcorder, this Canon camcorder we have, and Natalie then turns and films the ring.

4:42And S-U-G, when you get a second, you could even look while we're talking. I'm going to do it right now. I'm going to do it right now. Yeah, you can pull it up and look at it right now. Kelly, pull it up. Take a look at this, okay? Because once the camera goes to the ring, Dip always marvels at how funny Natalie being a natural photographer is. Like I could be holding a camera and she could be holding a camera. For some reason, when she points the camera and does things with it, it just does different things. Natalie's footage in the ring of Cena and Logan Paul, it looks like you're watching Unreal.

5:14Like it's incredible footage of the actual match. And this is just a fucking shoot camera? It's like a higher-end handy cam. I think that camera retailed it when it – it's a couple years old. I think it retailed at probably like a thousand bucks. It's not like an insane$20 ,000. Hold on. That's crazy. Cause I did just get to the part where it zoomed in and it like crazy, right? A half a second. And then the quality just got like, you might as well have been third row. I mean, it's insane. And we, we connected it to the TV and we're watching. I was like, wow, this thing really holds up. So anyways, it's just a really beautiful moment.

5:52Cause you see Maya sort of taking it in and she just, The loud sounds were interesting to her, but none of it scares her. She just sort of looks around like, wow, these people are really excited. And the funny thing is we don't even let her watch wrestling at home. The first way she watched wrestling was watching the GOAT John Cena in the building. That's the only way to start. That's the only way to start. That is the only way to start. And that's where, you know, maybe that's where a good place for us to start here on this cheap heat live on this Friday. And if you want to join us, we're going to keep the phone lines open.

6:27877-344-4893. We're going to keep the phone lines open now until like 1.45. And then I want to close out with some mailbag. RosenbergWrestling at gmail.com. We're going to close out with some mailbag today. But 877-344-4893. Here, I'm going to give you some of the topics we're going to get to. Just so you know where we're going to be. And if this is the kind of thing that interests you. We got to talk about the CM Punk Becky, potential AJ Lee of it all. We're going to get to the AJ situation, how much information we know there. We're certainly going to talk about the weird things that were said about wrestling outside of wrestling this week, including some bizarre words from Ronda Rousey and Matt Riddle, and even Drake weighing in on Rhea Ripley this week.

7:15Drake was the craziest one. We're going to get to the AEW time change for All Out, which is very, very interesting, and much more. So whatever it is you want to be a part of, get in right now, 877-344-4893. But SGG, let's start with John Cena. Another match is in the books, and Big Match John had another big match, man, and he just – listen, I'll say this. It went longer than I expected because I'm looking at the timing of the show and I sort of thought like I knew they were going to have time there. But like, I don't know. I didn't see what the final time was on it. It felt like it was like 25 minutes, right?

8:01Yeah, it did. And I'll say this, though, too. I agree that it went longer than I expected. But I'm not saying that in a bad way. I'm saying that in a pleasantly surprised the match aged better as it went on. and then he capped it off. By the time the bell rang, I felt like, was this his best match of the year, the retirement tour so far? Maybe. It's in the conversation. I still feel partial to the SummerSlam match. But it's just like, that was one of the thoughts I had. And then the second thought I had was like, damn, we got all those bad matches from Heal John just for the art. He really was just holding back and just trying to ruin wrestling and giving us something different because he could because being a heel freed him up to do that i'm glad we got big match john back though here's the thing i this is what i've been saying though i hate how we got there but the result of getting this um delayed sort of john comeback because that's what heel john did like Like, yes, I don't think it was the heel run anyone was looking for.

9:13Not exactly. Started out that way, didn't end that way. But the result, the net result of now getting to, like, enjoy a classic John Cena match has been incredibly rewarding. Like, I felt like I haven't seen one in a million years. We haven't seen him win like this in a million years. It feels so good. Like, it's just been awesome. And with that, I'm going to say this right now. I'm going to look right at the camera. it's time for Logan Paul to come on this program live we need him on Cheap Heat Live we need to have wrestling talk with Logan Paul listen he does Impulsive every week he's done lots of interviews he has a reality show all that is fantastic I want to talk to Logan at this point now 24 matches in a few years in having come off a match with Cena.

10:10He's had Cena. He's had Roman. He's had Cody. Yeah. I want to talk to him about wrestling because he is SGG. I hope he starts giving us more and more. We don't live in an era where big stars give you tons of matches on TV. They're on TV a lot. They don't give you tons of matches. we I want to see more and more of Logan Paul and then I want to have a conversation about where this guy could rank in some of the best ascents we've ever seen in this business yeah I mean if he keeps this pace right and he actually does it actually he needs to pick up the pace I'll say because 24 matches in after when he debuted at Wrestlemania four or five years ago I'm going to look at the exact date he definitely needs to because I know he was in that tag match with the Miz and then they competed at the SummerSlam April 1st 2021 Paul made his WWE debut as a guest of Sami Zayn and then later inviting Paul to be at ringside for his match against Kevin Owens that's 37 so it's the next year That's right.

11:31It's 38. So April of 22. Yep. So when we get to this April, that will be four years of Logan Paul. So, yes, it's fair to say we want to start seeing even more. We're seeing him on TV more, but even more matches. Fair. Yeah, he needs to pick up that pace. And if he can do that and get to the point where he's like a workhorse almost, which I don't see him doing, honestly. But if he can do that and maintain that speed for a little while and then be able to carry the company and not just have the belt as like a prop, I think he can enter the chat and be in the conversation of not the greatest of all time, but like, you know, you can start talking about him on a tier three, tier two, maybe.

12:24Well, that's all that you're getting. You always go so far ahead. Tier three. Hold on, all I said was, can we start to talk about greatest ascent? All I said was ascent. I'm not trying to put the man next to Andre the Giant yet. I'm just saying from start, from four years ago to right now, with the amount of time he's put in, and again, it is a different era, right? He's not on TV every week. You can't compare it to John Cena, you know, 02 to 06 or whatever. It's not the same, but it's been amazing. SUG, no stage is too big for this guy. It's crazy.

13:05I know he's had moments. I know people have pointed out moments when there have been mistakes or whatever, like anyone. But man, they're not a lot. When you watch the matches, they look smooth, man. It's really impressive. It was good stuff. Made sense. It was a perfect match for John to have. And now SCG begs the question. And I guess tonight in Chicago, we'll start to get answers. Got a big smackdown tonight. Big. Yeah. We're going to get into that when we start talking about. Yeah, we'll get into that next. We're going to get to that. So after the break, we'll really start diving into CM Punk and what we could expect potentially tonight.

13:47But I guess we'll find out what's next for John Cena. And obviously, as of tomorrow, SGG, we're two weeks out from Wrestlepalooza, the ESPN debut for WWE PLEs, which what I gauge is going to be treated like a very big deal. Yeah. Yeah. It's getting the full shine. So, you know, it's going to be fascinating to see where he goes. if you were to make a prediction tonight on where you think he is. And right now we have a little bit of information. Here's a WWE tweet from earlier. As part of his farewell tour, which comes to an end this December, John Cena will make his final appearances in Boston on November 10th at TD Garden and New York City at the Garden on November 17th.

14:40The real Garden. The real Garden, that's right. Which, by the way... oh because yeah by the time they even get to if there's a holiday tour show at msg it will be right after he's done yeah so this will be it um and sgg you are hearing that the rumor is it'll end at saturday night's main event in dc yes that's the rumor that i'm hearing um which leads me to my prediction that john cena's final opponent is going to be the still reigning United States champion at that time, Sami Zayn, because Washington, D.C., the capital of the United States, Sami Zayn is the champion of the United States. Sami Zayn, current champion of the United States, made his main roster debut on Monday Night Raw in a United States Open Challenge match against the then champion John Cena, who is on his retirement tour right now, playing the hits.

15:48We saw him go after Randy. We saw him with even R-Truth. We saw him throw a little wink and a nod. Shout out to AJ Styles. He's been playing the hits this whole time. And I think one of John Cena's greatest hits was that United States Open Challenge run. he hasn't gone back that route yet we see him go against cm punk so i think that united states open challenge he's going to tip his hat to that stage in his career and bow out sammy zane washington dc for the united states championship well here's why i i don't hate that because it feels like with Sammy Zane over the last few years, there is like a steady build to him having his Kofi, Daniel Bryan, underdog champion moment.

16:42Yeah. I could see it happening. It feels like that could be in the cards. A win for Sammy Zane against John Cena. It's funny. We talked about the younger guys. but the truth is most of the younger guys don't really make sense to have as John Cena's last match. And this is where I agree with Dip. Like just putting someone over to put them over, that's not worth it for John Cena. This needs to be a surefire thing. And is there anyone in the world who would really be mad at Sami Zayn, someone who loves the business the way he does has given himself to the business the way he has would anyone really be mad at Sami Zayn getting that last match I think the answer is a resounding no no so I like that SGG SGG is coming with takes we'll see as we get closer the clock keeps on ticking as Cena dates wind down and he is going to be in Chicago at Smackdown tonight so obviously will be CM Punk.

17:56And if you believe what you see, it seems as if another lady who CM Punk knows quite well will also be there. We will talk about that next and we'll talk to you as well. 877-344-4893. It's all on the table. It's Cheap Heat Live on a Friday on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Bubble Yum Bubblegum. Available in a blasting new three-flavor pack with wild cherry, grape, and regular. Bubble Yum keeps it popping. Welcome back to Cheap Heat Live on this Friday, September 5th. A beautiful, beautiful Friday. I'm guessing beautiful day in Philly now after the storms ruined that attempt at a first football game last night?

18:43I mean, there's supposed to be more on the way. So hopefully it's beautiful right now, but I don't know how long that is going to last. That was brutal last night, by the way. I mean, you talk about taking the air out of a room. My Lord. Yeah, seriously. God bless you. Thank you very much. The timing was so bad for me, too. So I had something to go to last night. Ma Kami, the great, amazing Haitian-American, brilliant rap artist, had a show at LPR in New York, La Passant Rouge. And I went with my boy Barry Schwartz in a top-shelf premium, and his lovely lady. We went taking the show, and I hustled back after to try to relieve Natalie on baby duty, but when I got home, Natalie and baby were both sound asleep.

19:34So I went, oh, man, I might as well go watch this first football game. I am supposed to do a sports talk radio show tomorrow, and I should probably do that. So I sat down. The second I put my feet on the coffee table, they delayed the game, and it just never stopped being delayed. SUG, I eventually went to bed. When I fell asleep in my bed, it was like starting up on my iPhone. I swear to God, I was awake for like one play. That's how bad. It was a full hour. Yeah. It came back at like 1130, I want to say, or maybe even after that. Yeah, at 1055, they're like 1115 warmups, 1130 game resumes. I'm like, it's the third quarter.

20:20Yeah. Did you watch the whole thing? No, I didn't watch the whole thing either. I guess it went to one, right? Yeah. Yeah. I would like to say before we get into that, though, that Dak did spit first. So free my guy, fly Eagles fly. Free my guy. Dak definitely spit first. Dak definitely spit first. But listen, first of all, these guys in the spitting, bro. These athletes in the spitting. I mean, listen, it's not the same as if you and I were to spit because, like, we're not pro athletes. So spitting requires like a big hawk. Well, I won't say hawk to it because that is a different connotation.

21:01It's been how it requires like a big hawk to try to do that. And it's just even nastier. It seems like with athletes, they can literally just sort of like form their lips together and like a perfect little dollop of spit flies out. and listen those guys are also almost covered head to toe so whatever spit came out of their mouth didn't actually touch any of their skin in any way it's kind of a nothing burger but it's such disrespect that yeah you got caught you got to do what you got to do it is and luckily for you know it's dax so his precision is not always on point anyway so you don't have to worry about him listen to you yo i mean listen look captain eagles over here it's crazy it's crazy we'll We'll see if the Giants have a good year where this guy lands.

21:47Who knows? All right. We are back on GP Live. Every single Friday, catch us from noon to 2 in the time slot occupied by Sam Roberts on Monday through Thursday at that same time. And, of course, coming up after us, the coach will be on your airwaves immediately on Channel 156 here on Sirius XM. Now, SGG, let's talk about the CM Punk of it all. Um, Punk obviously screwed by Becky Lynch at the end of the match at Clash in Paris. I guess that means Becky and Nikki are wrapping up. That was a quick and it looks like Nikki's now going to move on to something else related to the tag division is what it appears to be for me.

22:34Seeing the interaction that she had with the Kabuki Warriors the other day. So we'll see where that goes. Right. But it seemed like right away, as she gee, they kind of pulled them apart to go somewhere else. and I saw a lot of people coming for Nikki on social media. Listen, I know you guys like wrestling, okay? I promise I also do. And I know you think you know a lot about wrestling as a fan. And I promise you, I also do. And I'm even closer to it than all of you. And I still can't watch a match and know exactly who's doing what. Yeah. Like like SG in sports. I always think it's a cop out when like a former football players like, oh, you wouldn't get it.

23:23You don't play the game. Now there are certain parts where that is true. Like, for example, you're watching a play from the game last night and and you see a wide receiver run wide open. you might assume it's all on the cornerback when really the linebacker did something that he wasn't supposed to do and the corner is the one who ends up looking like they got burned. And there are things like that that only football players could pick up on and maybe even only people on the team could pick up on. That can be true. But overall, if you know a sport really well you can analyze pretty well who's good and who did well and who didn't do well for the most part.

23:58Most positions. I think line minutes tough to do. There's certain things. But in wrestling, you do not know in a match, unless you do this, and I don't, unless you are one of the boys or girls that does this for real, you do not know who's at fault when something happens. In fact, sometimes when I'm there, I will ask Big E what happened. He will tell me. And then sometimes he'll say, in that certain spot, I'm not even sure. It depends. so when people see something because the Becky and Nikki stuff got talked about a lot and people have things to say about Becky people have things to say about Nikki no one knows you don't know you just don't know everyone is so sure of what they know SGG it's so irritating like I get it we live in a world where yo-yos like me and SGG are on a radio show talking about wrestling but we never disrespect the craft by pretending that we Yo, when I was looking at Twitter the day after and like Nikki Bella's name was trending, hearing people make commentary on her in-ring work, like detailing, it's absurd.

25:10You don't even understand what you're seeing. and then i i say this all the time i say this i say exactly what you said all the time i agree 100 and you put a ball on it perfectly you don't even understand what you're watching because the point of pro wrestling since they decided that they were gonna make it pro and fix the fights was deception it's all it's been deception the whole time it's all an illusion you don't know what you're watching it's slight of hand and you don't know who's responsible for what and two spots that I point to all the time when I talk to fans and let them know, like, look, you really don't know what you just saw, so you shouldn't be so deeply analyzing this, is the Logan Paul spot in his match with Rey Mysterio.

25:54Rey Mysterio did a moonsault. Logan caught him, and everybody's like, oh, Logan Paul saved Rey's life, and da-da-da-da, and Logan had to be like, actually, I was out of position. So like, I almost killed him. It's not that I say, yeah, Ray, Ray was right where he needed to be. And I wasn't there for him. So y 'all giving me all this credit, but actually I was the one who almost caused the disaster there. And then recently shout out to Seth. He gave me a good one to use because he came down on his knee and they called the fight and they were like, oh, he's injured. He's out. And I was like, look, I believe he's injured, but I actually don't know what happened.

26:36So if it's a work and you people think it's a work, I'm not going to fault you for that. I believe he's injured, but I really don't know. Oh, it's obviously he's injured. They wouldn't have done that. What does he do? A couple of weeks later, he shows up. It was all a work. And everybody who swore they saw the moment that his knee turned to dust, crickets. And by the way, what a perfect setup, SGG. And why do I still remind you that I know nothing? Because I'm close enough to the business that I had dinner with Seth the night before and not enough of a wrestler that I had no idea he was working me at dinner.

27:14So we don't know. That's the beauty. That's why we love it. I can literally be in that locker room at every PLE. I still know nothing nothing it like it's it's so it's just amazing i mean i know this sounds like insane name dropping but i don't care i love it so much i'm so proud of what i do anyway i was with nicky an hour before the match talking about the match i still don't know anything i know nothing there's no way that you at home on tv who see it are like oh yeah what that is people who have never ever even attempted to go to a wrestling school and learn an arm drag. By the way, speaking of HSUG, we did the countdown show in the ring.

28:01Yeah. I'm not in a ring that often, as you know. I'm a champion, but I'm not in the ring very often. You're retired. Right now. I got the meniscus. There's a lot going on. But, yo, I leaned back into the ropes. these people are insane bro yeah i try so i tried to like after i leaned into it once i then like really tried to slam my back into it to remotely replicate what like going into the ropes would be it hurt badly i said i said to biggie i went this is what the ropes are always like and so he in a very cool wrestler moment in his suit just falls back into the ropes gives it a little bouncy bounce and he's like I mean these are a little tight but this is how the high he said he said this is how the high flying guys like it and he was like this is you know and I'm like I can't believe you people run into these things like this what are you doing it's crazy it's absolutely shirtless yeah Yeah.

29:11JL's got the right idea. He's like, no, I'm rocking my shirt. Yeah. No, shirt's the move. I couldn't respect that anymore. All right. So we just, I got totally derailed by the Nikki Becky conversation. But the point is they moved on now to Becky, of course, getting involved in the end of the match. The nut shot to CM Punk. Here we go. Then on Monday night, they really get after it. Now, it already, there's been a lot of, there has been a lot of sort of hints leading up to the AJ thing. Are you surprised at all that with a potential surprise this big, they telegraphed it this much? Because the Becky nut shot could have been enough, but then CM Punk picked up an AJ Lee sign on his way walking back.

30:04you know even Big E started speculating on the on the post show although again he's really just speculating because of what he saw and then then you have the Becky segment with Punk the next night where like maybe she slaps him once you go oh but she like literally goes to town beating this man's face to where now you know the rules are a woman does that to a man now that man's woman has to fight. Yeah. I tweeted this. I said, I don't think Seth and Becky realize that Punk got a wife too, man. I don't understand why you're picking on this man. He's not defenseless. What I will say too is I am shocked by the fact, you talk about them telegraphing AJ Lee and CM Punk being on screen together again.

30:56They telegraphed the Becky joining the vision thing and I didn't see it until she actually did it. I mean, she was complicit. We talked about Seth faking his injury. She was complicit. Like you said, you had dinner with Seth and Becky and she was lying to everybody too. She put up a post on social of Seth in his crutches to sell that fake injury. Like her hand was in it too. You know what I mean? When he came back, she bragged about him being able to pull off this ruse on wwe television so she was involved also and nobody even picked up on it we were all none the wiser until she finally did put hands on punk which like you said it's only right now at that point that aj lee does what she needs to do laces the boots back up and and put belt to ass on becky lynch it has to happen because two days in a row she put hands on do you have do you take any do you take any issue with those something of this magnitude being something that we like we know is happening tonight like and it's in Chicago it's I mean it is it's as big I'm trying to remember the last time there was this obvious a layup to a big return like this because her coming back is a big deal I mean like you can get varied opinions on you know who loves AJ who likes her who you know what people think about her but no matter what she has a huge fan base she was a pretty damn big star and she's been gone a long time so like it's a big one it is unquestionably a big one and it is I mean now the shock to me would be if she didn't show up yeah but why I don't have a problem with them telegraphing it is because you know yes it's a return, but like, so let's say on Monday night, Becky starts slapping around CM Punk and then AJ's music hits and she returns there.

33:02Huge pop. The crowd will go ape for sure. There's almost no downside to it, except it's like, for story purposes, was she just around all the time and just let him, you know what I mean, get beat up? Like, why was she even in Paris? CM Punk is home. They live in Chicago. She could presumably pop up. Granted, they've been in Chicago before and she never has, but I feel like Chicago is the place for her to return, of all places. It's going to be very, very cool and then I, of course, assume that we will get the tag match at Wrestlepalooza. And I also assume that tonight we'll find out we're getting Cena Brock at Wrestlepalooza.

33:52Yeah, I think so as well. I think Cena Brock is a layup for Wrestlepalooza. I think this mixed tag match is also on the cards for Wrestlepalooza because, you know, you alluded to it earlier, they loading up that Wrestlepalooza card because, probably because AEW had a show at that same night, at that same time, that show was moved, and I'm sure we're going to get into that later on in the show, But Wrestlepalooza, aside from just being the debut on ESPN, they have to come correct because that was a head-to-head competition. It is very interesting. I'm surprised that they did that, but we'll get into it.

34:41They've done that entirely too many times. You cannot get knocked off your square like that. yeah and they've they've consistently let i you know it's actually an interesting argument i guess there's two but we'll save that and get into it in just a bit but sgg is it possible that ronda rousey and matt riddle could never talk again i would love that i would love that i mean at least about about pro wrestling speak speak on you know yeah i mean how do you like your steak cartoons. I don't know how well they do in those departments, but certainly not anything. The funniest thing about both is, and I say this always understanding there's a risk that they could come back or I don't know, maybe WWE there are people there who are important who really like Ronda Rousey.

35:37I don't. I never have. Not personally at the time. I always thought she carried herself fine. I didn't have a lot of interaction with her, but I didn't have anything bad to say about her at all. But I never enjoyed her as a character. I thought her in-ring work had a realism that made her potentially interesting. but you are talking about someone who came from another world with more hype than you could possibly imagine, then was gifted Rowdy Roddy Piper's entire gimmick, was given a fire expensive theme song to use, got all the bells and whistles, all the big treatment, everything that you could imagine, and all we hear her do is complain about her time in WWE.

36:45And I'm not saying she doesn't say more than that, and it doesn't make news. I bet she has said positive things, and people just don't talk about it. And that is shame on all of us. That is the way the world works. But SGG this week, for her to sort of, not sort of, blatantly criticize the fact that she worked with Alexa Bliss, as if bliss was somehow beneath her was yet another example of just Ronda Rousey needing to pry her foot out of her mouth. And listen, maybe there'll be an opportunity where someone, certainly worse things have been done and people have been forgiven and came back. I'm not trying to say she is, you know, she should get the death penalty.

37:31Like this is not the ultimate sin or anything. But like, can you just have a little class and not bury the people who work in the business day in and day out. This is a business that gave you a lot of money, a lot of fame, and you did quite well doing it, and you left when you wanted to. And I'm sure it wasn't all perfect. Nobody's job is. But SGG, I just don't know who she thinks she is to act as if, you know, you're not like Randy Orton or Batista, who, by the way, would never badmouth the business. right like who are you i don't i don't i don't get it like criticize ufc fighters no problem you were an all-time great in mma you're not an all-time great in wrestling you're not so like you don't you just don't have the the cachet to say things about people like bliss who have been around a lot and given their bodies and their time and their effort and and leave their child every week to be on TV and go through a lot of different things personally and professionally to be a part of the business.

38:40It is incredibly disrespectful now for you to decide your time was up and now you want to talk trash about the people who did. I'm sorry. Even if you were good enough to do it, you shouldn't do it and you weren't good enough to do it. And she's a hypocrite, right? Because the quote, if I'm going to paraphrase, I don't really remember it completely, But I think the gist of it was, okay, Alexa Bliss sold a lot of merch. And so she was popular. Here we go. I'll give it to you. I'm going to read it to you verbatim. Ready? Yeah. Kelly always has us prepared. I see it. The fact that they had me fighting Alexa Bliss at all was bleeping ridiculous.

39:17And you want to know why they had me against Alexa Bliss? Because she had the most merch sales at the time. Like, what the F? That's your decision-making process? And here's why I call her a hypocrite. because it's actually Alexa Bliss who has the cachet and who should be saying something like this. The fact that they had Alexa Bliss fighting Ronda Rousey at all because Ronda Rousey came in with the name and was popular and had some sort of cultural cachet, quote-unquote, and mainstream appeal, quote-unquote, that's the part that's ridiculous, that they put Alexa in the ring with Ronda and had Alexa go through that.

39:56It wasn't any slight to Ronda. It's actually a slight to Alexa. If you want to talk about how absurd their business making and the decision making process is, that if you're popular enough, you get to go at the champion who grinded her way from the bottom, did what she had to do, worked her way to the top, was beloved by her fans as evidenced by those same merch sales that they're pointing out and holding up to you that you get to just walk in because you're popular somewhere else and you don't have to go through that. The insult wasn't to Ronda Rousey. The insult was to Alexa Bliss. Yo. Yo, Ben, I don't know if you have a Funkmaster Flex bomb sound effect over there.

40:35We need it, though. SGG just set things on fire. It is true. And then Matt Riddle, another MMA person who showed up to WWE, got immense opportunity, acted like a jackass, and by the way again I never had a problem with Riddle I certainly had more interaction with Riddle than I did with Bliss we had Riddle on the show had a good conversation with him back in the day but still carried himself like a jackass made a bunch of mistakes made a bunch of enemies now he's still carrying himself like a jackass saying things that are completely inappropriate you know saying disrespectful things about AJ Lee it just shut up bro come on man like just shut up I listen you could beat me up there's no question I if you want to know what I say this to Matt Riddle's face probably not I'd probably go but I'm not in his face I'm right here and I I'm not just you're a talented guy there's there is some appeal there people like to again not my guy like like riddle in ring did very little for me style wise it wasn't for me um it just wasn't my type of thing i think people really tried to give him the rvd treatment and like he wasn't rvd a i don't think he was the actual chill laid-back stoner that rvd was and he certainly wasn't the pro wrestler that rvd is all right uh we take a break here and then finally on the other side we will talk all out and we will talk drake we'll do it right here and we'll take your calls also to close out as well 877-344-4893 cheap heat live on a friday promotional consideration paid for by the following wolverine for your nes battle magneto and saber tooth with your adamantium claws and berserker range in the x-men battle of all time wolverine from ljn oh yeah baby happy friday you got rosenberg you got sgg if you want to follow us on the instagram by the way at rosenberg radio at stat guy greg the dipperstein is on there too actually he's a private follow you know what i mean he's not necessarily necessarily going to give you what you what you're looking for.

43:03You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, you'll see if he accepts you or not. You know what I mean? But we're happy to be with you on this Friday. SmackDown tonight should be a big one. Of course, Wrestlepalooza next week will be a big deal. Now, SGG, originally All Out was running Saturday night. Then WWE announces Wrestlepalooza that the espn deal is starting immediately and here we are and as you take me through it so aw announced this week that they're moving all out yeah i believe it was two days ago they announced that all out will now be at 3 p.m eastern time um they did have some other exciting news for all out that you know it's going to be available on hbo max for a fee which i believe is a 39.99 so you can watch it if you're subscribed to HBO Max for that extra fee of$39.99.

44:05But them moving the show, I think, overshadowed, to me, the good news of their pay-per-view being offered on this new streaming platform. Because, I mean, look, WWE's in the same boat, right? Their PLE is on a new platform for them as well. And so both of them had, they were similarly situated to compete for eyeballs and aew you know and you alluded to this earlier this is not the first time i believe all in was moved to an earlier day earlier time of the day as well and this is after reports in january from dave melter that aew was going to be keeping their dates close to the chest just so wwe doesn't usurp them and plan shows on the same day i mean obviously they're not able to avoid that.

44:56WWE is going to show up where they are if they feel like it. So them moving to earlier in the afternoon, I think was a bad call. I really do. They say they did it and people have saying they do it in service of their fans, but I think this actually does a disservice to their fans because the people who are actually going to be at the show on the ground, you change the plans for all of them as well. I think about people who might be flying in the day of the show, right? Now, if it's at 8 p.m. and they have a flight that gets in at a certain time, now it's sitting at 3 p.m. Do they have time to check into the hotel?

45:39Do they miss some of the show because of the time their flight landed? You know what I mean? We don't know what happens to those fans. And those are the people that I think AEW should have been focused on and worried about when they moved it instead of the people who might want to tune in on HBO Max or Pay-Per-View or somewhere else. Because those people who weren't in the building and on the ground, whether they watch it live or they watch it later that day or another day, they're going to be able to get it. The people who are in the building, like your true core fans, get screwed over when you play with the timetable like this.

46:13It's a really interesting scenario. fundamentally I agree with you like I just think we've already talked about like AEW let WWE steal the Saturday night pay-per-view yeah originally they went to Saturday night and then WWE was like you know what we're gonna go to Saturday night and then AEW was like you know what we're gonna go to Sunday and I'm like well y 'all are the last ones that should run on Sunday because those shows are five hours long and Saturday turned out to be a really cool thing for pay-per-views and I feel like they should have stuck that out. And actually, there's some really smart things they could have done, too, around that.

46:55Like, if you're AEW now, you know WWE is not going to run a Saturday night PLE up against a huge UFC card. Right. So if you're AEW, you could always be like, oh, WWE is off? Because let's be real, guys. Wrestling and MMA doesn't really compete. it only really competes in WWE because TKO owns both. So they don't really compete. So if you're AEW and you find out WWE is going to be off because UFC is running UFC whatever, 9 ,311. Dip would know the number. We don't have it. Of course you would. Well, the next one's the biggest one, always. And you could jump in there. Anyways, I don't like that they were taken off their square.

47:40At the same time, I'll say this for Tony's decision-making process. You know what? If SEG, I randomly bump into Tony Khan in the next day or two. It's possible. It's always possible. Maybe I'll ask him straight up. Did the question I would ask is, did you plan to immediately change it? Or once you realized how hard they were going to go. Because if it had just been a random, we're announcing something called Wrestlepalooza on September 20th. that might have not scared me off but once you find out WWE is going it's their first ESPN thing and you see how much ESPN is clearly already putting into this thing I think at that point SGG you go alright well let's let's back off or because look before when AEW was first announced right The thing that everybody said, and these words have come out of Tony Khan's mouth himself also, I have money, I can do this too.

48:57You talk about that bag that you have. You talk about those reserves that you have. I got money, I can do this too. Are there no more rabbits in any hats in Tony Khan's office that he could pull out? Does he not have emergency glass that he could break also? What's the point of the bread in the bag that you keep bragging about if WWE is the only one that can dip into it and pull out this person or that person? You have access to this too. And a thing that you also have access to, which was supposed to be AEW's bread and butter, is the future of the industry, right? You got the young guys. You got the young, hungry guys.

49:39your show is the show that every time a pay-per-view goes off the air they say damn they did it again this was a great show why are you afraid to stand on that why why are you not willing to put that head-to-head against wwe and see what it does now granted the first couple of times the numbers are not going to be where you want it to be sure but in a 12-round fight everybody gets hit so you're going to take some punches but if you can make it to a couple of ple's like that and pay-per-views like that where this weekend we're going head-to-head and we're going to put up our show and we're going to see what the fans say about it after the show and we're going to come out with the buzz you can build something up but you got to be ready to take that first hit you can't just keep talking shit about your roster and your bag and your partners and how you situate it at some point you're going to have to take a punch.

50:33Stop running from it. You wanted this fight. They said they wanted to be Pepsi to WWE's Coca-Cola, but every time somebody put Coke on the shelves, they pull it. Stay where you are and give the people what they want to see. It could be a great show in the afternoon, but if you go head-to-head and show WWE that you're not backing down, your fans are going to appreciate that, and you might pull in even more fans, but you gain nothing by running. The optics are not going to be on your side with that i see our very own bully ray with a uh a tough tweet earlier today um it's not a mean tweet but it's a tough tweet like you saw it i didn't see it but you know he you can he wrote unfortunate but aw as a product is lost there's certainly some bright spots, parentheses talent.

51:28But as a company, it lacks definitive direction. It is what it is. A company owned and operated by a fan with lots of money. TK, good guy, good heart, not a booker. And the boys know it. I don't think anyone feels super differently about that. I mean, and I don't think it's like, you know, in insulting.

52:02But year six, though, it is an insult. It is an insult because at what point do you grow into that role? At what point do you become that boss?

52:14Well, it's a fair question, SGG. I don't know whether you truly can like become a booker if you're not from it. It goes back to what we talked about earlier. It really does. I mean, I know Vince is an interesting one, right? Because Vince was never a wrestler. Of course, he eventually was, but he didn't come from wrestling. But we also know that there's something different about second generation guys and girls. Yeah. Their understanding of things is just different. but not to cut you off but we also know that what Vince did that I'm assuming Tony Khan has not taken the time over this six years to do was that when Vince got control of WWF right his father's business partners kept their jobs Gorilla Monsoon stayed around Arnold Scullin stayed around and he let those guys in on the business decision so like he didn't seem to he was still the boss.

53:12At the end of the day, you're going to do what I say, but people are going to chime in. And when it was time to bring in Michael P.S. Hayes, who's still there, and when it was time to bring in Triple H, who transitioned to that office position, he kept these guys around that was like, maybe you want to try this. Maybe you want to try that. He put smarter people in the room and then let himself take the credit and be called the genius. And I think that Tony khan just wants to be called the genius without taking those insights from the veterans because yeah if you're not from it you can't do it day one but again at some point you have to position yourself to be ready for that and to make those calls and i don't think tony khan has the right people around him to get him for that it's a really good point sug because there have been people who've been at that company uh mark henry was there for a time doing things Daniel Bryan is there right now, obviously as a worker, but also it seems like helping in general.

54:12Regal was there. A lot of people have been there. Other people whose names I'm forgetting and may not even know about have been there.

54:22Why hasn't he been able to either find or properly empower that person? because when everyone says that thing that this line of like they don't respect Tony essentially like they like him but they don't respect him I've just always been like why can't and I'm not saying it's easy to find but for all the money that Tony has spent on getting talent there some of which delivered some of which didn't you could have taken one of those five million dollar checks matter of fact you could have not given jericho whatever seven million a year whatever jericho gets i have an answer to your question too but i'm gonna let you finish why not spend two million of it and get or less probably even and get one of vince's number one lieutenants and say i need you i need you to be the person who is the first person they see in gorilla every time who is basically running this show?

55:28Why hasn't he been able to do that? And my answer is, the short answer is his ego, which has got to be the only answer. But the long answer and the more of a thesis statement to it is that he had that person. He started AEW with a group of guys. And one of those guys was Cody Rhodes. And Cody Rhodes, look, I wasn't there. I wasn't in the room for these negotiations, but based on what was forward-facing and what we got to see as fans, I have to believe that Cody Rhodes was the guy in those rooms that brokered the Warner Brothers deal, that got them on the network that they're on. And I have to believe that Cody Rhodes was that guy because when they did other partnerships and it was time to promote this show or that show or whatever it was, Cody Rhodes was the guy that was the face of those partnerships for AEW.

56:24And I have to believe that Cody had a vision for that company that at some point, you know, those ideas stopped being trusted, stopped being taken. and now Cody Rhodes went back across the street where people didn't think he would go because he was one of the founders of the company. I hear you. I think you may be giving Cody almost too much credit. Not that Cody didn't do a lot, but I guess I mean someone who even, because ultimately Cody was still one of the boys, right? And there would still be the ego parts of like, he wants to be in championship matches or he wants to do this. I mean, Cody brought people with him.

57:01Cody brought on Anderson. Cody, there were people that was behind the scenes producers that Cody brought him. But that's why I asked, why were none of them the right person or were none of them just empowered the right way? Either way, I understand what – and again, as someone who supports it and enjoys the product, I still see exactly what Bully is saying. All right, let's hit a couple phone calls real quick, and then we're going to close out with some mailbag. Oh, no, sorry. I teased it. We got to hit it. Can we play the Drake audio from Bobby Althoff real quick? This is Drake on Bobby Althoff.

57:28Yeah. Shocking, by the way. Trying to pull up Tyga's Instagram, my FYP page is just all Rhea Ripley. I don't know who that is. She's a wrestler. She's my muse. Is she? Yeah, but she's... She's what? I'm the opposite of everything that she likes. I can't pull up... I got it. Yo, man. Listen, I get it. I get it. Everyone gets it. Okay. Rhea is a goddess. We all get it. Just leave our Rhea alone. Okay. Drake, you are too much of a mush when it comes to sports. I mean, I know eventually the Raptors won a championship and that helped him out, SGG. But if you look at his overall record when it comes to SGG, I mean SGG, when it comes to Drake and athletes, I don't like it.

58:25And Rhea's already dealing with enough insanity of how famous she's getting and the fans, my guess is, you know, I wonder how much of a headache this was for her, like to have another thing. It just seems like I just need people to leave her alone, bro. People are just too obsessed. I get it. You know, she has everything. She has everything, and so I get it. But can everyone just relax, including Drizzy? Relax. And also, you don't want Buddy Murphy smoke. You really don't want Buddy Murphy smoke. No one needs that. A crazy, that is the most jacked up Australian I've ever seen in my life. No one needs that problem.

59:06When we come back, some mailbag, RosenbergWrestling at gmail.com. If you want to have us read your emails, it's Peter Rosenberg. It's SGG. It's GP Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Stalk chocolate reason. If you like chocolate, then you'll love reason. extra chewy chocolate caramels covered with a rich chocolate coating ladies and gentlemen welcome back to cheap heat live on pro wrestling nation 24 7 serious xm 156 i'm your forever 24 7 champion peter rosenberg um stack guy greg dipperstein uh are done um dip has a very busy day he has a lot going on we'll fill you in on at some point perhaps um sg has as as court to get to and i decided i wanted to close out with some emails because we have not done mailbag on this show in a very very long time rosenberg wrestling at gmail.com is the email address should you uh want to reach out and i want to get to some emails that we just haven't had a chance to get to right now for the people who have been in the mailbag, all of our old school listeners who subscribe to the podcast.

1:00:25And I've told you guys, if you're listening on SiriusXM, if you're not subscribed to Cheap Heat, wherever you find podcasts, what are you doing? What the hell are you doing? Go subscribe and get the podcast. And of course, we're on Patreon as well, Cheap Heat Live. Mike Braunstein writes us and says, I have a simple question that had never crossed my mind before. raw this is a couple of weeks ago i'm kind of surprised it's never come up before do jd mcdonough's initials stand for judgment day stay mage no they do not but what do they stand for that is an interesting question by the way i like seeing jd mcdonough getting his uh flowers these days it does feel like jd is having a bit of a run right now and that makes me happy because he's a great guy and a great wrestler um and his his initials stand for the jd i believe would be his birth name jordan devlin from bray county wicklow ireland according to wikipedia 35 years old he's had a bunch of different names um none of which really related to his real name except he did he did work with his real name before as well but jd mcdonough that would be Jordan Devlin McDonough but it does work well um our our friend Asif reached out and had some parish recommendations for me but I didn't see it in time so that doesn't help how about this Chris Casuccio writes us and sends me a picture and writes ran into these two in the wild at the CNE in Toronto today and thought of dip they were great guys dude in full makeup the powers of pain just sitting at a bench in Toronto warlord and barbarian unbelievable dip would lose his friggin mind all right don't forget Rosenberg wrestling at gmail.com if you want to be a part of the mailbag Nathan writes us hey guys fun show as usual my tears list tier 1 Hulk Hogan Stone Cold The Undertaker Ric Flair and Mr.

1:02:55McMahon tier 2 John Cena Roman Reigns The Rock HBK Savage Brett Triple H and Andre the Giant listen I think it's really the tears thing is complicated it's super duper complicated it's it's hard to to really feel confident in much that's why the only ones I know I'm confident R. Hogan and Flair and I never you know SGG I know SGG because of many legitimate personal reasons does not have any interest in honoring Hulk Hogan but to me not putting Hulk Hogan in your top tier because of horrible deplorable things that you may have heard him say it would be the equivalent of if you were to say hey Peter give me your list of best rapping producers of all time and I left Kanye out because he's become some weirdo Nazi yes I'm I'm deeply saddened and hurt by some of the things he said some of the things Hogan did as well but if I'm doing a list of top rapper producers I'm not taking out Kanye just because he's becoming a complete piece of garbage so i do get a little frustrated when we do tears because i think for any of us to have one without hogan doesn't even make sense no matter what you think of the man personally like the he he is the ultimate brand name when it comes to pro wrestling and and i you know i was having a conversation in paris with big e about this we were we were going over tears actually i should have him on the show to do it sometime because it was a fun conversation and i just feel like you know to be a new when you become a new smart mark and wrestling fan the first thing you do is start realizing oh you know hulk hogan that was the guy everyone talked about he's not that great but then the next level you get to as a wrestling fan is to realize oh no he was he was that great like maturing is understanding no he really was that great and all the things you thought about like his moves that were like not that oh he doesn't do this he doesn't do that man you know when when I compare Hogan and Cena and I thought about this I thought Cena and we talked about this but I thought Cena had such a great match against Logan um I really did he's now put on just two great matches in a row and reminds you of what he can do in his best but the one thing that there there are several things that differentiate Hogan and Cena.

1:05:44Okay. On the plus side for Cena, his run on top of WWE is so much longer than Hogan's. When you think about it, I mean, Hogan was really the man, really the man from like 85 to 92. It's really like a good seven years on top for Cena. It's really like, I mean it's at least 10 right it's at least 05 to 15 that he's that guy um and so Cena has that longevity I think Cena and then he's continued to go and go and go and still be a gigantic draw now and obviously Hogan had to leave and things were not good when he first went to WCW now of course on the flip side for Hogan he had the greatest heel turn of all time john did not um you know the we've we've discussed about this we've discussed this now a lot it the the the cena heel turn did not end up the way any of us would have wanted it hogan's was epic but to me what really it comes down to for me is is hogan selling you know like you always knew Hogan was going to win back in the day, but man, his ability to just sell and make you think he was really hurt.

1:07:07To me, that's a little bit of, and I think, you know, I think Cena is just absolutely awesome, but I do think that's a place where Hogan clearly has the edge is in selling. Now, Brian writes us to, again, Rosenberg Wrestling at gmail.com and Brian writes, SGG kind of inadvertently made the case against Roman being tier one seat one on the show when he said Roman went from the greatest faction of all time the shield to the greatest faction of all time the bloodline. He just breezed right over the fact that there was a significant time period between the two when Roman had to stand on his own and didn't it didn't go great.

1:07:47I know SGG thinks more highly of the Big Dog era than most, but even he would have to admit that it was definitely not top tier one mage level work. Since Turning Heal, a turn that was brought about by the very same fans SGG wants to banish from the arena in favor of the Thunderdome, he has gotten much better on the mic, but the Big Dog era was a whole lot of suffering succotash. Terry Bollea is not a great guy, but Hulk Hogan was the undisputed number one guy in the business for all of rock and wrestling, and then was the number one guy for WCW for the Monday Night Wars. The only reason they were even wars in the first place was because his heel turn drew huge attention to WCW.

1:08:34Going to be real tough for anybody to ever take the tier one seat one spot from Hulk. look, Brian, I 100 % agree with that part about Hogan. It's just so incredibly impressive. And far be it from me to be the person to try to convince SGG to put personal feelings aside, especially when they are so personal and about something as important as race and identity and just really saying heartbreaking things to an entire community of people that loved you. but for me personally when i rank artists i when i'm ranking them not saying who's my favorite but when i'm ranking because hogan's not my number one when i want to sit around and watch wrestling and hogan's not my number one but when it comes to the art form and making the most people feel the most different feelings over the longest amount of time.

1:09:37Man, Hulk Hogan is tough to beat. If you want to hear an email of yours read on the show next week, RosenbergWrestling at gmail.com. Again, go subscribe to the podcast. Cheap Heat, wherever you find podcasts. On YouTube as well, you can go find our videos up there as well at Rosenberg Wrestling on there. So we appreciate you guys greatly. Shout out to Zach. shout out to Kelly shout out to the great Emilio Sparks the whole team and we will catch you guys next week alright stay mage and enjoy yourself and take it easy man