Blake Monroe

0:22Stay mage and enjoy yourself.

0:33it's still rooted it's still rooted sweet sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was Rappauk. It's professional wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world's number one sports and recreation podcast, Cheap Heat. I'm your forever 24-7 champion, Peter Rosenberg, coming to you from New York City. Joining me in Los Angeles is, I believe, 38 at 35, Dipperstein. Hey, Dip, how are you? Soon we're going to have to be saying 39 at some point in the near future. Yeah. It's June. It's June. We have time. Yeah. Do we, though? I don't know. It feels like it's creeping up.

1:41That's the problem with your name having your age in it. Your introduction having the age in it is like that we're always hyper aware of when your birthday is. I have to find a new list to be on. I need a 40 under 40. By the way, it's time. It's time. There's a Forbes. There's Forbes. Maybe I'll try Forbes. Yeah, you need to do we need to hire someone? I'm I'm I the list of whatever list I was on some Jewish list at some point. It's I think UGA is 30 under 30. 40 under 40. Maybe it's 40 under 40. I don't remember. I'd like to be on a Jewish list at some point. Yeah. Well, it depends what kind of list.

2:18You know what I mean? For my accomplishments. God. Oh, OK. Your accomplishments. I don't know. Come on now. I'm just watching the news a lot. folks uh we have a hell of a program today uh it's going to be very interesting dipperstein is here for the first 90 minutes or so and then down the stretch dipperstein has some very important meetings to tend to as you know he's a big time big time hollywood manager and things of the like and and then our resident lawyer uh stack guy greg will at that point be free from his court duties and will join us to have a conversation with Blake Monroe. So Dip will be gone for that part.

3:00And with NXT Vengeance Day coming up tomorrow, SGG and I will talk to the glamour herself, which I'm excited about, for the first time. I don't think I've ever really exchanged words with the glamour before, Dip. Oh, she's quite the glamour. She's quite glamorous. I got to tell you. Yeah, no, she's glamorous up a storm. There's no question. So we're looking forward to that. But how are you doing, Dip? What's going on? We made it through Elimination Chamber. That was the last PLE up until WrestleMania. Like, how are we doing, dude? I'm good. I'm going to be in Vegas again this weekend for the biggest UFC card of all time.

3:42What Fakakta card is this weekend? What? I forget. 326? What is it? Yeah, 320. There's been 326. 200. No, it's two or three. I'll tell you this. Either way, they're all big. What's the main? What's the main? Oliveira Holloway. Okay. I mean. Something. Something plus. Something plus. I'm no Dipperstein, but I would assume Oliveira's the big favorite in this match? Yeah. Actually, I don't know what the line is right now, but I will be betting for sure. I will be gambling on two men beating each other up severely. I will be gambling. I don't know. Honestly, in terms of like, how do I say this gently?

4:32If there's a Lord above and we one day have to go meet this being and we have to have a conversation, on the list of things that he or she goes, you know, we got to talk about a few things. how quickly do you think this this being is getting to let's talk about the gambling on the people beating the hell out of each other where do you think did you think i'd be pleased with this did you think i would be i'm also i don't know why i'm not going but i'm the only fan of people beating each other up who isn't going to the slap the slap the power slap uh tonight in Vegas. I love the slapping. I love to see people slap each other.

5:16It's fantastic. There's zoofing, there's slapping, there's cage fighting, there's wrestling. People are beating each other to death these days. It never ends. First of all, we were wrong. Holloway is the minus 220 favorite. No, and that's why the one that I'm passionate about is the one where it's pretending, because let's be honest. You like to pretend. Yes. Can I tell you why? Because to do this for real makes you an absolute insane person. Only a 100 % insane human being. And I say that with some guys and girls who I've been very fond of. Love Khalil Roundtree. I love Rose Nama Yunus. I love Joanna Champion.

6:03There are a lot of people I've really been fond of. Alderman Sterling. many people okay my man with all the tattoos what's my guys who's my guy with all the tats who's now done he's old now but he he's very very handsome but he's covered in tattoos i know i know that does nothing to help your information i know there's thousands of them i know um but i love a lot of these guys but it's insane i i like the fighting that's pretend and dip by not going to the slap the only thing you're doing is just keeping yourself morally just one notch above the fray. Once you go into the slapping, you might as well just show up to a cockfight.

6:47Okay? Like, just go to a dogfight afterwards. It's crazy. Go to a back alley. Go to a back alley in Las Vegas and see a dogfight. So here we are, folks. The chamber has happened. What was your level of satisfaction that Cody did not win the chamber, that we got something that was at least slightly different than we assumed would be the result. Very happy. Very happy. I love unpredictability, as you know. And I thought, you know, there's a lot of people on the Internet like, you know, Drew McIntyre thinks he's wrestling as the champion and then he gets demoted to wrestling on some, you know, with Nick Aldis or whatever.

7:31He should hang it up or whatever. Come on. I mean, what do they say? Drew McIntyre, I guarantee you, ends up in a more interesting spot than he would have otherwise if he doesn't lose this match tonight to Cody Rhodes. You mean if he does lose it? If he does lose the match to Cody Rhodes. So, whatever Drew McIntyre ends up doing, I have full faith that it'll be cool and interesting, and I don't know what it may be. Maybe it'll be Trick Williams. Maybe it'll be somebody else interesting or hot right now, or maybe it is Nick Aldis. We'll get to the Nick Aldis of it in a second, but what was the other rumor I read this week for Drew?

8:02Was it Trick? I don't know. I didn't I didn't really read any rumors for it. I did see another rumor that wasn't, that wasn't drew. And I very much want it to be Nick Aldis. That would be, they teased us with Pierce and Orton a couple of years ago. Okay. I love the idea of him and Nick Aldis. That is something dip. Like something plus, Aldis is so good. And like, I understand that this is not, you know, a huge name. He's not a mainstream name at all. I get that. But man, you have two nights. There's rumors there's going to be 13 or 14 matches. Is it so bad to have a couple of matches that are like for real, real wrestling fans?

8:57Like we would love, what fan out there would not be stoked to see Nick Aldis all of a sudden And after several years now with the company as an authority figure to see him throw down with Drew McIntyre, give me all this McIntyre in my veins. I need it right now. I think it could happen. Can he go? You think he can do it? Of course he can go. OK, OK. I don't know. What's the point? What's the point? I mean, you hire these. If you're going to put guys like Nick Aldis, who is 39 years old. OK, he's 39. If you're going to take guys like Nick Aldis and Adam Pierce, who is 47 years old but still in great shape, if you're going to take these sort of, I don't want to say journeyman wrestlers because they're beyond journeyman wrestlers.

9:50But if you're going to put these guys who've had really nice long wrestling careers but aren't superstars in the position of authority figure, what's the point of doing it if they're never going to fight anybody? because they could find people to play the roles. You could find plenty of people who could be. Vicky Guerrero was great at it. You know, the other one I can't agree with. Not a Vicky Guerrero guy. Not a Teddy Long guy. Let me restate this. Yeah, please do. Idiotic statements. Vicky Guerrero was entertaining in the role. You can have an entertaining person who's not going to get beat up in the role.

10:31You're wrong about Teddy Long, though. Teddy Long history has been very fond of Teddy Long. Let me tell you when I back at Teddy Long, he was very good. Let me look back at Teddy Long. I'm going to tell you the time I liked Teddy Long when he was managing Doom. That's when I liked Teddy Long. When he started dancing around. I mean, I was a little out then. You weren't even paying attention. I was at the beginning of it. I was and it was just it was not for me. The whole GM thing in general, in my opinion, has almost never been done correctly. I can't even think of a time where the GM thing was so effective.

11:06And I'm like, this person is in control of this show. Besides the, wait, I bet I do coffee right now. This is happening tonight. Besides these things, I can't even tell you the, like when it really felt like something. Can you? All right. Yeah. So I love this conversation. We've had it a lot and I'm here for it. Also, shout out to Corey Graves, who I've offended. Graves got in the car, heard me talking about a handsome man with tattoos not being him, and he's disgusted. I was talking about Cody Garbrandt. Cody, no love Garbrandt. That is a good-looking guy. You remove the beatings and the covered in tats.

11:47This is a movie star-looking man, Cody, no love Garbrandt. But Corey Graves, very handsome man as well. Quite well-dressed. Haven't seen him in forever. The only way I talk to Corey Graves is through the television. I hear him on television I go oh great what happened what happened what happened I don't he's not on PLEs and I'm not at TVs so I tell you ever see each other let me tell you who I'm going to be like standing probably next to or very close to at some point tomorrow around four o 'clock who's that Cody Garbrandt why because he'll be in the crowd he's wrestling he's wrestling he's fighting tomorrow Cody Cody's on the show tomorrow Yeah.

12:27They got to stop, dude. Why? He's too old. He's getting washed out. I know, but he's not that old. He's not. He's young. He's not young. He's young for old. He's young old. Hold on. Hold on. I got to get his record. It's pretty good. His recent win-loss cannot be good. He's 14-7 overall. What's the order here? He's not on the main. he's lost he's not on the main he's lost his last two fights unanimous decision and a submission he won two before that but then he lost two before that no he's losing he's losing he's lost four of six dude this is such a dangerous sport in my opinion that if you've lost four of six it's time to go just be handsome what I just they can't stop these people you know I'm gonna tell him you said that you know what you should you say i ran to peter rosenberg he loves you he's worried about you he wants you to stop in fact you're not going in you're not going in right and he's not even on the main and he's not on the main card what do you how much money are you getting to not be on the main card anyways back to the nick aldis and pierce of it all so i we've talked about this ad nauseum at this point if you're going to have authority figures pierce all this now robert stone on NXT, we just want them to be characters.

13:53I don't need them to be super realistic. And here's what I don't want. Dude, you could say that the Aldis McIntyre moment was the second best part of the Elimination Chamber dip besides the Seth surprise. You could say that the confrontation on the post show between Aldis and McIntyre felt like so surprising and exciting. It felt like something. There was really something there. I feel that way. I feel that way. I just pray they don't bring us up to that point where you're like, oh, here we go. And then they back off of it. And Aldis just goes back. I know. Wouldn't surprise me if they did. I got to tell you, I'd love to see Corey Graves back in the ring now that he's listening.

14:36All right. That's okay. First of all, you can't go whatever when I'm in the middle of an argument about wrestling points. All we do is have wrestling points. And then you go, yeah, whatever. They're going to do what they do. You know, this is what we do. We speculate. This is what we do. Whatever my speculation. This is what we do. This is what we do. Are you saying that on purpose too? No, but I'm in the middle of speculating. You go, it's whatever. What am I doing? What are we doing here every week? If it's whatever. Because, listen. You want to get to getting Corey Graves back in the ring. Well, listen, I would love to see Corey Graves wrestle again.

15:09Here's what's not going to happen. Here's what, because it's nice to think we all, we fantasy book. It's a beautiful thing. I don't think we're getting Nick Aldis and Drew McIntyre. I don't think that's happening I'm sorry I would love it to I don't think it's going to happen I challenge the powers that be To make Nick Aldis and Drew McIntyre Have a grudge match At Wrestlemania That would be freaking awesome So but because we think Something's unlikely to happen We don't even get excited for it We don't even try to fantasy book it We just give up I want to push and encourage For this to happen it would be awesome it would be something different trying to find some pivot spot for drew mcintyre to force him into something else i mean i guess they could always go mcintyre um jacob fatu yeah that would be the that's the likely one right that's the that's the that's the other rumored thing you were talking about there it is it was that him and jacob is fine you know it's it's obviously we all want to see jacob fatu on wrestlemania and drew mcintyre has to have a place on WrestleMania.

16:15And this is all under the assumption, of course, that Drew loses tonight. Now, is there an interesting scenario that could take place tonight in which this doesn't happen? Is there a scenario in which Cody doesn't win? No. He's winning. I'm sure. It is going to be a telegraphed... Do you guys remember, too, that I was actually leading up to Cody losing the title to Drew? I said, I was like, is it getting too telegraphed? Do we know this is the one that he's going to lose and he lost and now he's going to get it back and we know what's going to happen again. I just, I love, I love that Randy one.

16:59That was a twist. I think that makes for a very, very cool moment, but now you have to land the plane here with everybody. You got to get Cody on the card, right? Listen, Cody, Randy would be great. drew randy would be fun a triple threat do they end up landing somehow on a triple threat with the three of those guys is that interesting i don't think it's that interesting to be honest with you no i don't i don't i i just don't as much as i really like i believe in jacob fatu and i like jacob fatu and he's totally awesome i don't know if i i can't see him headlining WrestleMania on the top of the card, on the poster, it just doesn't compute for me right now.

17:44I think it's a perfect undercard match, him and Drew McIntyre. I think it's a good, with a stipulation of some kind. I think it needs to be a stipulation. And by the way, we're getting close to like, can they create a build that makes sense? Hopefully something happens tonight with that. I just I yeah, but let's let's just let's just say it does happen. That Cody wins. Yeah, you have. Yeah, Cody wins and it's him and Randy Orton. I mean, no matter how you look at it. You have Cody Rhodes versus Randy Orton on on night one. And you have. Roman Reigns versus CM Punk on night two. It's pretty good.

18:30pretty good. I totally agree. Don't get me wrong. There'll be plenty of things to complain about, and that's what we all love to do. No, I'm excited to complain. Don't get me wrong. No, me too. We're complaining. We're 100 % complaining. But if you get Cody Randy on one night. No, no. Yeah, Cody Randy on one night. You said Drew. If you get Cody Randy on one night and Roman and Roman Punk on night. That's four of the biggest names of all time. Headlining WrestleMania. Like, it's, you could do worse. Yeah, it's pretty good. Pretty good. I would like a little stip action to spice up Randy and Cody, just because while I know there is a story to tell there, and they do have a history, the legacy thing, there is some stuff to do there, I still like spicing it up a little bit.

19:22A little squeeze of sriracha. Spice that thing up just a tad. with some sort of stip, I think would be fun. But we got to get into Roman and Punk. And my amazement at, like, something that happened, some of the conversation coming away from the Roman and Punk just, like, leaves me with my head in my hands. And I'll tell you what that is next. We also want to hear from you guys at 877-344-4893. 877-344-4893. 893. Like I said, in hour two, to close out the show, we're going to do like the last half hour hanging out with the glamour herself, Blake Monroe, ahead of her match against Jada Parker tomorrow night at NXT Vengeance Day.

20:06So we'll talk to Blake Monroe later in the program. But right now, we're going to talk to you guys at 877-344-4893, and we've got to get into the punk enrollment of it all, plus more specifics from Elimination Chamber. So much to do. It's GP Live on a Friday. On Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. There's an epidemic affecting thousands of young Canadians, a condition scientists are calling the munchies. I'm World Wrestling Federation superstar Chris Jericho, and I've joined forces with Taco Bell to fight this hunger. You can join our tag team. By making a donation of only$3.99, you'll receive three Taco Supremes and a drink.

20:44Act now, and together we can help young people like Todd pummel the munchies. why not buy this official wwf poster only at taco bell welcome back to cheap heat live pro wrestling nation 24 7 your forever 24 7 champion peter rosenberg 38 to 35 dipperstein in los angeles how are you i'm feeling good i you know what i did i just uh i didn't have anything on in the background we're going to be sitting here for an hour another hour i threw on the vault Shocking, shocking development What are you watching on the vault? I put on WrestleFest 88 I'm watching the I'm watching the Killer Bees Versus the Rougeau Brothers Wow, like you dream about Yeah, it's literally the match of my dreams Yeah, jumping Jim Brunzella Great high jumper That's right This was the end of the Killer Bees Like late 87 is the end of the Killer Bees I don't even think they were wearing the masks at this point They took off the masks.

21:46They're wearing different sets. Do you know that my whole Killer B's experience is basically Killer B's no mask? I don't really connect to Killer B's with masks that much. Killer B's masks were major. I know, but it's pre when I was watching them. When I was watching them in 87, they were not wearing masks on regular TV. Not on week to week TV. You and I, you know what we should do for Halloween? We should be the killer bees. By the way, man. Not a bad costume. But here's the thing. What do you do about our repugnant bodies? Speak for yourself. By then, I'm going to be jacked. Their whole outfit, though, is just small trunks.

22:37I know. They're wearing pants. They're wearing pants here. There's pants? Yeah. Yeah, the killer bees pants. I told you, this is the end of the killer bees. They're just wearing whatever the hell they want. So by the way, so I have the shirt. We could get you another shirt. So we could do the pants and the T-shirt and the mask. I would like to do that. That would be important to you? Yeah. Yeah, very important to me in our relationship for us to be the killer bees. Can I tell you what I'm bothered by right now? Yeah, and I'll tell you something I'm bothered by as well. Go ahead. And then we'll go back to talking about fun stuff like old wrestling.

23:13And we'll take your thoughts on any of it all. 877-344-4893. Including will we actually see Drew McIntyre and Nick Aldis. Why is everybody debating whether Punk went too far with Roman? Oh, I know. Come on. Get a grip. You people think. I know nothing. I want to be clear. I don't know anything. you think this version of CM Punk in 2026 in the biggest moment he's going to have maybe ever in his wrestling career or close to it decided to shoot from the hip and mention Roman Reigns' dead father without running it by him first I know do you guys know I just understand listen I go on wrestling TV at WWE television it's the joy of my life I love it We all are part of the show and we have plausible deniability and it's fun and I love it.

24:10But no, like you guys are doing serious think pieces on Tuesday. Did CM Punk go too far? It would be, did they both go too far? Is the story going too far? Please remove the idea that CM Punk was just like, I'm going to insult Sika to Roman's face on national television. Are you? They were like, look at Roman walking to the back. He looks pissed. He's supposed to look pissed. Yeah, but what is going on? Yeah. I want that Carhartt jacket he's wearing. My birthday for my birthday. I want that Carhartt jacket. You liked Roman. Roman was wearing a Carhartt jacket. You liked it? Yeah, he's wearing that fancy Carhartt jacket.

24:52I like Carhartt. Carhartt's back and around in a real way. I know. People are Carhartting up the storm right now. There's a lot of Carhartt happening. I'll tell you God, in a real fight, Roman Reigns would just kick CM Punk's ass I'm very convinced Why doesn't Roman Reigns Put up a video Go to the Titan Tron and put up a video of him CM Punk getting the shit kicked out of him in UFC Just embarrass him in front of the whole crowd How great would that be? You know what? He should say, this is what's going to happen to you at WrestleMania And put it up, and it's just him getting the shit kicked out of him in UFC That would be mage I would say that is going to happen.

25:33I would love that. I think that will happen. I think that will happen. I would love that. That's a good moment. That's an old school. That is an old school Attitude Era moment. Okay? Now that we are here and Punk went this personal with Roman, I would not be remotely surprised to see that happen. That would be fun. But, yeah, so, listen, I thought their segment on Monday was really – I thought we had two really good segments. I thought Raw was bookended by two great segments. The first one with the Seth coming back again. They did that in a way that was interesting with the other masked guys chasing off the rest of the vision.

26:15And then Seth hitting Heyman with the chair. By the way, we got to give it up for Heyman, man. He takes some real chair shots to the back. I can't believe he took that chair shot. It's crazy. Do you know what that must feel like for that man? I can't even fathom what that feels like for that guy. I mean, he's taken his share of them over the years. He's an old man. But this was, by the way, Seth just pulled. He's not an old man. He's over 50. That's old. He's 60. But that makes him, I mean, he's not old, but a 60-year-old guy getting hit with a chair. If that was a video moving around on Twitter, you'd go, is the guy dead?

26:50I know. I know. I know. Paul Heyman is. The real deal. He will go down. He is one of the greatest. he's in the annals already he's already in the he's annals he's annals he's annals plus he's annals plus he's annaling he's annaling up a storm dude it's amazing how how uh the the the the seth chair shot the roman chair shot and the and the i saw like a video going around of them simultaneous shield chair shot it was the exact chair shot it was amazing it was like perfect it's crazy this guy knows what he's doing oh i think so so the um I agree. It was bookended. This whole episode of Raw felt very thought through and well produced and was awesome.

27:36All in on this. I've been down for the last few weeks. This episode of Raw redeemed going into WrestleMania how I'm feeling about things. I've got to be honest with you. It had a lot of stuff in it. It had the IC title change. It had the Grande Americano thing. it has the Seth coming back things happen it has the punk Roman thing it had an AJ Lee promo the Gunther Dragon Lee you're right it felt like a very there are episodes that can feel haphazard that did not feel like one of those episodes alright this is a big moment dip I know you'll be excited about this I'm bringing in right now a huge guest because I get the biggest guest possible you never know who's going to jump in on the Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 celebrity guest line.

28:27My brother, Nick Rosenberg. Nick, how are you? I'm good, thanks. I just wanted to put you on quickly and have you update us with where you are right now. My brother is re-watching wrestling from the beginning. Where exactly are you right now? I'm at, like, Buddy Rogers.

28:47Good for you. No, actually, I did see that chair shot, though. because I did watch a little bit of Raw. An impressive chair shot for a 60-year-old man, am I right? Yeah, no, that looked legit. Yeah. So where are you exactly right now? What I watched yesterday, I finished watching King of the Ring 96 when Austin beats Jake the Snake. And coins. Yeah, I mean, dude, You watching that for the first time, I don't even know what the comp is. It's like you're reading the Bible and you're like, Mary's about to have this kid. I don't know what's going to happen next. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like something big is going to happen on this episode.

29:37I mean, the birth of 316, it's a crazy. Now, did you know already? Because you're reading a lot as you're watching. did you know as it was going to happen oh this is that moment or it just kind of happened organically I knew somehow yeah I mean you knew that that was coming let me tell you that Jake Roberts moment is that is one of the saddest I remember as a kid watching King of the Ring 96 and not knowing what the hell happened to Jake the Snake like thinking oh my God looking like shit and just looking terrible and he was looking not like jake the snake at that time who was one of my all-time favorite wrestlers so i was very upset watching i think i may have even called the in my my mother to say what the hell is going on with jake the snake is this the same jake the snake from a couple years ago she no you had mom is this the same jake the snake that you slept with a few years ago at the arena and she went oh my god he's falling off a cliff i would never even be seen with this guy um so but i actually think that you mentioned that i was thinking was he being like a good company guy by taking that job or however y 'all say it what do you mean by jarring stone cold steve austin yeah well no no hold on hold on hold on okay but he's well just hold on before you jump in you jumped in as if he was truly stone cold steve austin he was an emerging stone cold steve austin yeah for sure he was an emerging solo but i mean like that sold him a little bit, no?

31:11Yeah, oh no, it was a big moment. I think it was, I think, if I didn't know any better, based on Dip, you would know better. Jake at that time is doing absolutely nothing, correct? He's back wrestling, he's there wrestling, being, you know, he's in the tournament. For how long? Like, he's been around for... No, he came back in 96. So they probably came back saying, hey, we got a check for you. And we're going to do some things with you. And I think he even Jake the Snake, it'll be interesting to ask him this. I'm guessing even in the worst state he ever was in was keenly aware of of what he needed to be in the business at that time.

31:53Like, I got he's a professional of the highest order. I'm sure. I mean, maybe not. Maybe not. Well, no, no. He's a professional of the highest order, except two years later and beyond the mat. He's begging promoters for crack cocaine and peeing into a bucket. But yes, when it comes to the understanding what the wrestling thing is all about, he's going to fully get it, I'm guessing. But we should get him on and ask him sometime. Oh, I'd love to. I guess my question is, was he putting Steve Austin over? Was that the point? Was that why they brought him back to do that job? I don't know. That's going to be the main thing.

32:30I don't think so. I think it was to just be a, have a, you know, have a Jake the snake around as useful. Let me look up what else he did in that run. I remember thinking that Austin's promo went too far. That's that promo for me at that time went too far. He was, he was making fun of his recovery. I know, which is too far in my opinion. He's like, he's like, you may have found Jesus, you know, and he, which he did presumably he's like, and he said something I think about, Maybe you'd be better if you were drinking again. Yeah, he said something. Yeah. And then the Jerry Lawler, he did the Jerry Lawler.

33:05Jerry Lawler made horrible comments about him at that time. Oh, yeah. I was clowning the hell out of him. It was horrible. It was hard. I remember really feeling horrible about that. And then it was like at the same time, the NWO. Yeah. But just to be clear. So he came back in 96 and the character is literally being like a preacher, right? So he's getting the character set up is for him to sort of be called out for being a fraud because everyone knows he's an addict. The whole thing is too much. It's a little on the nose. I mean, this is what makes wrestling great, though. If we're being honest, what makes it great is that they're willing to get close to stuff like that.

33:46What makes it uncomfortable is when they go too far. But apparently, Nick, it says here that Robert's whole thing at that moment was to be like a Cinderella story in making the run to the final of the King of the Ring. So it was supposed to be like, oh, my God, can you believe it? He made it to the final and then he lost. And then we get 316. So wait. So what was your so your last WrestleMania was 13? That was pretty good. Yeah. No, it was 12. It was the Iron Man match. It was 12. Hart and Michaels, our love. Oh, wow. Pretty good. Let me tell you something, Dip. That's wrestling, folks. Yeah. You are in the midst of watching professional wrestling.

34:33And you're coming out of... What were your impressions of like 9, 10, 11? Not the sexiest era of WWE. No, it wasn't great. This is definitely improved. Oh, you're crazy. You're crazy. I didn't think, but by the way, it wasn't as bad as I like you. Peter, you had sort of made me think it was going to be terrible. And it wasn't as terrible as I thought it was going to be. I thought it was gonna be unwatchable. And it wasn't unwatchable. No, let me tell you, there is something. I agree. There is something very sacred and beautiful about pre at right before pre attitude era. OK, it is the last vestige.

35:16Wrestling was never the same. Innocence. It's the innocence of wrestling at the very end, kind of. Exactly. After 1996, at the end of 1996, even, you watch the 97 Rumble, you're watching a different era. I mean, we know that it's a different era, but it really feels different. 1996 is the last year of, in my opinion, the last year of the golden era, even though it's not really. It's new generation, but to me, it was like the golden era of my child. It still feels golden era. You're right. You can still directly feel the golden era still in 95, 96. And then it goes. No, I agree. I think that I think that.

35:54And then Goldust is coming out in a diaper in the 98. Nick is very uncomfortable with Goldust. He's being. He told me. He told me. I heard. I heard. No, Goldust. Gosh, it's wild. He's uncomfortable with the storyline, with the Goldust storyline. Not Goldust. Not the character. He's uncomfortable with the Piper. the Piper thing. It's the sanctioned hate crime at WrestleMania 12. It's the sanctioned hate crimes that make him feel uncomfortable. It's a strange time, but it's true. You know how I have that theory that new smart wrestling fans, like the first smart, if you're like, oh, I'm a smart fan now, the first thing you realize or that you believe you realize is that Hulk Hogan sucks until you get older and you're like, no, no, no, Hulk Hogan did not suck.

36:38Hulk Hogan did amazing things. and you think you're being a super smart fan by saying Hulk Hogan sucks. I think the next thing sort of like that, and I'm a victim of this as well, is believing that there's nothing good sort of in that era of WrestleMania 9, 10, 11. Well, Tip, it's not ridiculous. Everyone has had that thought except you because you were an actual child at that time. So you didn't go through the experience. When you're a child, they can show you literally anything and you're going to think it's the best thing you've ever seen. He thought all of it was dope. everything from he thinks literally dip will tell you right now he'll like this doesn't have a story now the powers of pain now that's a story i mean you're biased to your childhood it's the way people are with music there's no good music now there was only good music when i was a child it's a reasonable thought to think that things were not great around 9 10 and 11 but the point i'm making is dip we overstate it and now you go back and look at it and you go no there was some good stuff there was still some good stuff happening in there but my argument to you when you said that to me about the powers of pain who by the way are now officially on Instagram and are posted fantastic content okay by the way we haven't even talked about Demolition being in the Hall of Fame potentially the most deserving people in the history of wrestling to be in the Hall of Fame probably my favorite you love Demolition they're my favorite tag team of all time for sure can I tell you something I didn't like it's funny as a kid I didn't like Demolition but I like them now yeah as a kid I thought they were weird too they were kind of cheesy Why?

38:08The face pain? We were kids at different times. Road Warriors simultaneously. And even in 1986, to us who only watched WWF wrestling, they seemed like knockoff Road Warriors. They did. I think so, too. I think that because the Road Warriors were so big, even though I didn't really watch any WCW, I really think that we were like, oh, I've seen all the Road Warrior stuff in the magazines, and these look like the miniature version of the Road Warriors. so I see what you're saying Nick but anyways Dip is very very excited about Demolition being in the Hall of Fame I should have started the show with I thought that was really cool I should have started with a congratulations congratulations Dip thank you I've been campaigning for Demolition to be in the Hall of Fame for years and years and years and finally I may have to go to the Hall of Fame this year just to see Axe and Smash and shed a tear about them thanking

39:08No, not right now. So they may thank him. He'll get a thank you. Crush will get a thank you. He has to get a thank you. By the way, who knows? Maybe they're not at the end. You think they fell out with Brian Adams? They may have fallen out with Crush. I have no idea. All of a sudden, he went back to Hawaii. He came back. He became Kona Crush. He became a good guy. He became a great, you know, who knows what happened? Nick you've already seen Kona Crush correct? Yeah I mean it's a weird turn but also the fact that what's is it Axe that became the Repo Man? No Smash became the Repo Man I wonder if Smash was the Repo Man Nick what are you a moron?

39:51How could you call this moron and have him talk about wrestling? He doesn't know that it was Smash that became the Repo Man? What an idiot what a schmuck what a schmuck this guy in I'm sorry I want to apologize to everyone listening on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 that this happened alright Nick we have to take a break thank you maybe we can do a Patreon on Sunday and watch some old wrestling. Dipper you around? I land from Vegas at some point I don't know by the way it's going to be beautiful in Vegas I may stay and get some color alright great Nick thanks for carving out some time enjoy the wrestling I will I'll talk to you guys later Goodbye.

40:31I tried to tell you, and Dip can't fully understand this because he's an only child. My brother going this hard with the wrestling thing is such like a seismic. He's 40 years too late. I know. It's such a seismic change for our relationship, though. This isn't the year because of Vegas, but at some point, we're going to have to now bring him to a mania weekend. He's going to have to do the whole thing. He's never done any of this stuff. Not a thing. All right. His first show. Don't sound too excited, Dip. Dips already thinking, oh, is he going to get my ticket? I think you're good. You're good, Dips.

41:04You're fine now, okay? No one's infringing on your ticket. You've got your own spot. All right. All right. Let's take a break. Come back, close out the hour, and get on the phone lines. Talk to you guys about what you think about where we're at right now with regards to the WrestleMania card, how it's shaping up. Is it a guarantee that Cody wins tonight? Is there another version you can picture tonight besides Cody winning against Drew? 877-344-4893. three it's pro wrestling nation 24 7 promotional consideration paid for by the following are you ready to come with a big voice play then you're ready for wcw power slam wrestlers with spinning kicks stink fat attack and nicest power bomb power slam wrestlers are the biggest thing around ladies and gentlemen welcome back to cheap heat live on pro wrestling nation 24 7 shouts to everyone who's uh with us on the live show fridays at noon everyone who catches the replay friday evening or if you get us on the weekend shout out to all of you make sure you go subscribe to the podcast uh wherever you find podcasts you can find cheap heat live we have a patreon as well cheap heat live where we do uh watch alongs and things like like that and hoping to do another throwback one this weekend my brother so that means his next wrestlemania is 13 dip this is pretty yeah this is pretty good stuff to watch along so find us on patreon of course uh you can Find us on YouTube, Instagram.

42:24Follow along all things Cheap Heat. Dip, we have Blake Monroe coming up in about a half hour. Very excited about that. Major. Big, big fan. Excited to see the street fight tomorrow at NXT Vengeance Day with her and Jada Parker. That should be interesting. Do you remember when I first started, when I first fell in love with Mariah May? It was when she was bleeding like a pig, like a lunatic with Tony Storm. Yeah, I remember that match. That was really what intrigued me. I was like, wow. I've never seen anyone who looks like that and goes like this and it's covered in blood. She's just her own unique and she's British.

43:03There's so many things going on with the once Mariah May, now Blake Monroe. Yeah. Hold the presses. Babyface Powers of Pain versus the Bolsheviks I'm watching right now. Oh my goodness. These are wrestlers, ladies and gentlemen. warlord and barbarian these are this is what a wrestler is supposed to look like okay just if you if you need a wrestler reference just google these men i look forward to meeting them seeing them again at wrestlecon i by the way is this the year that the powers of pain remember who i am at wrestlecon i've met them now five years in a row they said they and they never remember it's always I went to WrestleCon last year and I pulled me and my cabal of Schmagegi wrestling fans made me the sacrificial lamb and I pulled demolition over to the powers of pain to take the picture with the powers of pain and demolition with all of us it's a classic you you did that I did.

44:09I brokered the deal for the two of them to go to come together. I can't remember if it was I think Powers of Pain got up for Demolition. Demolition wouldn't get up for Powers of Pain. I can't recall the dynamics but one team, it was like a let's meet halfway type of thing, which I completely understand. Yeah, come on. You can't go just dragging people around. These are legends. EOP is not going to job to Demolition. Come on. anyway by the way I gotta tell you guys I gotta tell you something since we have a platform to do so GP live pro wrestling nation 24 7 every single Friday from noon to 2 I just gotta say you know it is it's amazing to see how mainstream media now is like so in on wrestling dude I mean the breakfast club had trick Williams on this week dude these guys yeah but that's not interesting I've always had wrestlers Yeah.

45:11You sort of missed the point of what I'm saying here. I get the points, but why are you talking about the Breakfast Club? Because I want to point out, because if I don't point out the truth, no one else will. These people used to clown me for wrestling. They all used to make fun of it. I mean, this is up until recently, up until a few years ago. And it's just amazing to see. I don't know what the turning point was. That would be an interesting question. What was the turning point in the last five years or so of wrestling becoming even more acceptable than it's ever been to like have be a part of your platform?

45:49Is it TKO? Is it that era? Is it Cody? Is it Roman? I don't know what it is, but something clearly has changed. and every yo-yo from Colin Coward to Charlemagne, everyone who used to mock it and make fun of it, they're taking all the guests now. Or maybe it's just that we live in an era now where the only thing that rules the world is content and views. So if it's something that generates content and views, people just want to get them on the show. I love that wrestling generates content and views. I know, but exactly. That's why I can't even be mad at it. I mean, I'm happy about it, frankly. I'm just here to say I remember.

46:29Remember it well. And the – I mean, Dip, I don't know how many more – do you know they finally have now on the Apple Podcasts app? They did not used to have this. On my update on my phone, when I go to the Apple Podcasts app, they have a wrestling section now. Yeah. Good. Now there's a full-on wrestling section. How are we doing? People – I don't – I looked. We're there. were listed among top podcasts for whatever that means. So that's nice to hear. Now, since I can tell I'm boring you to tears, what did you want to say about Obafemi? I just, you know, he's obviously a big star. I like Obafemi.

47:07And I think he probably knows he's a big star too. And this week when he came out with the walk, it was like not as pronounced the strut as it once was. And I'm thinking, I think he's over the walk. You think he's trying to slowly walk out of it? He's slowly creeping away from the strut I can smell it a mile away He can't be, it's the biggest thing I know I know, I'm literally walking into my office doing it every day But I'm just telling you I can sense that he doesn't want to do it anymore I could be totally wrong But I think it's a little bit more or less pronounced You know, I'd like to see him do it like a bushwhacker like a whole thing.

47:53I love the walk. Can I tell you something, though? I don't know why. I enjoy the walk from him when people put up videos of them doing the walk. Have you seen this? Yes. It makes me viscerally angry. Why? Unexplainably seeing regular jabroni people going, it makes me want to kill them. I want to jump through my phone and choke them. I don't know why. It doesn't annoy you. I find it very annoying. Anyone else out there get it? Is it just me? I find the Obafemi impressions to be very irritating, even though I'm not irritated to see Oba do it. I enjoy Oba doing it. Yeah. I don't know. I think he's over it.

48:47I do not think he will be moving on from the walk I will be very surprised if he moves on from the walk I guess we're going to see him destroy Rusev in the coming days I'm guessing I guess I can't yeah I guess I'm not sure him you're not into squash matches you don't like seeing Oba squash people no I don't And yeah, you don't you don't believe that the squash is the way to build. I'm down with a squash on a house show. I'm down with a squash on main event. But on on raw at this point in this era, I don't think that you need to do squash matches to show that someone is a big deal. I don't think that's the way to go anymore.

49:39I just don't. I'm not. I don't. It doesn't. It doesn't feel right to me anymore. The squash matches. sorry, I think that they should immediately put him into an awesome storyline. I don't, I'm not big on the building up the people anymore. I think if someone is a big deal, you should shoot them into outer space. Why are you waiting? Why, why is, why does Obafemi have to squash people until Brock, until he gets Brock Lesnar? Can he just get Brock Lesnar? Then he's immediately mage. We don't need to see him beat up jabronis. Doesn't matter. Well, and in this case, it's not even like he had a few jabronis.

50:15But now it's more like he has just, like, not really competitive matches with mid-card people. They're not squashes. They're like, that's what's even worse? That's the part I don't like, Dip. If you're going to do the squash thing, shouldn't he just be squashing? Why is he having six-minute matches? Like, what does that do? I don't get that. I don't get the point of him and the Miz do six minutes. I don't know if I get that. No, it's because the Miz is a competitive real thing. So is it. So is. Don't have. Then don't have him have matches with them. I agree. That's because that's not even a squash.

50:53You know what I'm saying? Like if you're going to squash squash. Otherwise, I don't quite know what the. If you're going to squash squash. I don't disagree with your take on this. I don't hate going a different direction for building Oba. Or any of them. Or any of them. I don't need to see. trick Williams beat up one of the Americanos. I don't need that. I don't need to see that. Just put him in a great spot. I mean, he was in an elimination chamber. I don't think he got such a great showing in the elimination chamber. I was a little surprised that I know they were trying to tell the story with Logan, but I don't think he really got his due.

51:34I don't think really that many... I don't think there was a lot of bounciness. I was looking for more bounciness. you you you didn't get enough uh you didn't get enough bounciness i wanted about crazy bouncy situations i didn't get and i love javon i'm all in but i i need a bouncer too i i'm telling you i feel very vindicated by this take i think that the elimination chamber match is a really hard match to come up with crazy bouncy things to do why he could have he could have climbed to the very top of the thing and be dangling and then done a backflip. And there's, I mean, I could have thought of a million spots.

52:13Maybe I guess that wasn't, wasn't his time to do it. I don't know. Maybe it's not that easy and you don't want to do exactly what Montez did. Montez just did kind of what you're describing. No, okay. I don't remember. I don't know. Look, I don't know. I mean, I'm, I'm totally nitpicking now, but no, no, no, no. I, I, I, I think there was, there's no question. People came away from the chamber. they went into it thinking we're going to get an insane Javon Evans moment. And they came away from it feeling like I didn't really get the insane Javon Evans moment. I just think that I just think it's a harder spot to come up with creative for it than say the rumble or money in the bank.

52:52No, I guess maybe that's right. It's a weird structure. We don't know. We don't know ultimately. But and by the way, they were trying to tell a story in the chamber that worked. so you know now we have Rhea Ripley and Jade Cargill here is a place where I can excuse the internet for not knowing what's what I can't tell whether Jade is going full storyline or the trash talk on Twitter is just her talking trash come on it's a work I know but when the work goes to things like you're always talking to the writers. Yes, that's a good that's a good. She didn't say the writers. What'd she say? She said the office maybe what did what was the wording that she used?

53:43I'm going to find it for you right now. You want to know? Okay. Yeah, because it matters. I think it matters. Creative. She said you're always talking to creative, which is the writers, but it's pretty close. It's right in the middle of office and writers creative right in the middle. It's right in the middle. I think whoever came up with this, if this is a full work, is a genius. Because what the hell type of story are you going to tell between the two of them that is going to be, it would get rough. I'm just going to say it. I think it would get rough. So in order to avoid that, having them do this thing on the internet is genius.

54:23I love it. I think it's fantastic. Great job, whoever's you know whoever's involved here fantastic. Yeah I agree I agree and you might as well I know Jade has kind of been a tweener for a while right? Like Jade's kind of hard to tell but ever officially? I don't know she looks so awesome that it's like you want her to be the best version that she possibly can be and you know how I feel I'm in it I'm into it I like I like Jade Cargill. But you're not answering my question. But did she ever officially become a heel? Did she ever do a thing that made her a heel? Officially. No, because people love hearing her say, I'm that bitch.

55:13They're loving that bitch. They love that bitch. So I think the right thing to do is to lean into heel Jade here. Because I got news for you. Anyone up against Rhea basically is a heel. And in this case, it's the only route for her to go. I don't see, unless they plan, because if you were going to turn Rhea, you're turning Rhea with regards to Io, not with regards to Jade. So if Rhea's getting cheered by everyone, we should go full bore heel Jade Cargill. Talking about Buddy Murphy. you know let's go let's go let's go wild you want to go you want to go buddy murphy yeah she did work with him a jays what do you mean yeah she did she worked with him of course what do you mean a jays they worked at the same company i mean a jays yeah oh i'm not saying it needs to be like a sexual innuendo i'm saying you should just you know involve him and you know like they should just go all the way with this and that'll be good that'll get people talking it's already getting people talking.

56:22As you can tell, I'm very into this. Yeah, I just want to lean into full-on heel Jade. I was telling Dip that I'm going to a sports club, and I went the last couple of days. It's a very expensive sports club. And so I was telling Dip how ridiculously overpriced it is because, like, don't get me wrong, it's a nice enough place, but, like, I mean, it feels like a sports club. Are you barefoot in this place? You're barefoot. What do you mean barefoot? Are you walking around barefoot in the locker room? In the locker room. I haven't. I haven't even changed there. I just. Okay. It's next. It's next.

57:02It's next. No, no. I would in certain situations, but it's next door. So I'm never doing it. Now, Natalie is going full. She's going full sauna. She's going steam. If you're using the things, if you're using the things and your whole life is, I mean, I would never shower at these gyms at these places. And I'm, you know, these people are doing every single cosmetic thing to their body at these, at these, at these focacca gyms. But if you're just going to lift weights, oh, wait, so wait, you know, 25 pounds is 25 pounds. Who cares? Do you need to pay$350 a month to lift the same 25 pounds? So you're saying, you're saying whether it's blink fitness, NY Sports Club or Equinox, they're all the same team.

57:50Yes, they are. Because you don't go to any of them. No, I do not go to any gym. I don't like the gym. But I especially, even if I went to the gym, I'm not going and doing, I'm not, my whole life isn't going to be at this gym. I go home, I take a shower. I'm not, I don't, why do I need to shower there? It's crazy. Look, so I am seeing there is a membership to Blink Fitness. Okay. $15 a month to lift the weights, the heavy weights. You can go to their home club. So I guess you only have one club. So you can only go to your home club. That's fine. Good. $17 a month. That's how much a gym should cost.

58:37Okay. You go in, you lift the weights, you leave. No one. You don't need to shower. You don't need to steam. You don't need to shave. You don't need to do this and that at the gym. You know, then they're bigger. They're bigger membership. Which is you go to all the clubs in your network and you can bring a guest. Hold on. It says bring a guest every time you work out. Wow. Hold on. You could bring a guest every time and you get full gym amenities. the price for that at Blink is$30 a month. I am talking about a club that I think is$300 a month. You are. That is insane, dude. What are we doing? What are we doing as a society, folks?

59:27And by the way, the main question, why are Dip and I the ones talking about it? Because we're the last ones you should talk to on this subject. But at least I'm trying to go. So we're going to get our Killer Bees outfits on. We're going to be going to this gym. Exactly. No, Dip eats a David bar once a week and thinks he's the healthiest man alive. Folks, someone who knows a thing or two about the gym and looking very good when attending said gym would be the glamour Blake Monroe. Now, she has a grueling street fight tomorrow night against Jada Parker in Orlando at NXT Vengeance Day. but before that, she is making time.

1:00:07You are out of here. You have things to go do. SGG is back home and ready to join. And coming up next, SGG and myself will talk to the great Blake Monroe right here on GP Live. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Kevin Nash made it perfectly clear. We make the rules. NWO2000 is on a mission to conquer and rule or to ruin and destroy the very existence of WCW. Is there anyone who can stop the insanity? Find out as Snickers presents WCW Super Brawl. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. And I do have to say, you know, SGG, I was a little bit jealous when they did the big nerd convention at the headquarters a couple of weeks ago, respectfully.

1:01:00saying that respectfully and and and busted open the rest of our fam was there and uh everyone got to do stuff though i the one thing that made me feel jealous was people got to sit down with the glamour blake monroe but guess what she's here now on gp live hi blake how are you well they got to sit with me in person at this nerd convention so they're a step up from you but yes you know i'm I'm doing some charity work at the moment. I'm giving Jada Parker a career and I figured I'd follow that up and be on your show. Thank you so much for continuing the charity work. Yeah. Cause I got this with you in person, but I'm sure it smells better doing this interview.

1:01:39So you guys are throwing a lot of shade. And that's our fam right there. So you can imagine. Well, I just want to say, I am excited that you are in NXT. You it's funny how things go. I was someone who was like you were very high on my list SG I don't know if you recall this but like at another time in life when Blake Monroe had a whole other name in life but was the glamour I was very very high on Blake Monroe and I was very I can't remember which match it was in which you were like a bloody mess I think it was a Tony Storm match I can't recall but you were a disaster looking on television I mean, you're never a disaster, but you get the idea.

1:02:27Yeah, let's keep this down a notch. And I just thought I've never seen someone who has such a glamorous look who's willing to go to such extremes. Like, this is a very interesting performer. So when you came on board and showed up that day and Blake Monroe was born, I was very, very excited about it. And it's taken a while now for us to get to have a conversation. But either way, now Vengeance Day is coming and you are going to have a street fight with Jada Parker. This, to me, feels like a match that's sort of in your playground. Like, I would imagine you are very comfortable with the idea of this being a street fight.

1:03:11I wouldn't say I'm comfortable. I'm uncomfortable because I'm going to hurt her. I'm probably going to hurt myself hurting her. and that's not something the glamour looks forward to. I am the standard of NXT. I'm the conversation, the controversy. All anyone wants to talk about is me. And I try to give off a perfect image and be a perfect WWE superstar, but I do have a side of me, a side that I try to keep hidden, a side that you've clearly seen before. You're a fan of my work. And I don't enjoy bringing that out. I don't enjoy the repercussions of bringing that out, but she wants to bring up my past.

1:03:46She wants to use other people's words. She wants to make it personal. Okay, you got what you wanted. Let's see if you can hang. You think you're a top girl? You think you can be a star like Blake Monroe? Okay, let's see. How depraved are you willing to go? Like, are we going to get... Is she going to be the bloody mess coming out of this? Because I know Rosenberg referenced you with the crimson mask. Listen, I'm not looking to bleed. Why would I ruin my perfect face and my perfect makeup? She probably will when I'm done with her. but I also could wrap it up really quick. So we'll see. There is, there is an experience discrepancy between the two of you.

1:04:27You have now been at this for a little while. So let's go back a tad. Shall we? I've seen the photos of you on the internet before, like posing next to a triple H we've seen sort of the, the, the fun side of your urgence as a fan, but growing up as a kid in London, and England is such a hotbed for just wrestling culture in general. How early did your fanship begin? What are your earliest memories of pro wrestling? Oh, I've been a fan since I was a kid. I had two older brothers. So we were, you know, a WWE household. We would always sit down to watch it. We'd stay up way past our bedtime and we all wanted to be WWE superstars.

1:05:08Of course, I made it and they didn't. but yeah when I was kind of 18 19 I was like I genuinely want to pursue this and England's funny because when WB comes to town it's like the craziest crowd ever like we have the best chance so rowdy it's such a fun experience but in terms of actually being British and being like okay I need to find a school I found that really hard I had no idea where to go i didn't know anybody who knew anything about uh wrestling so that bit was like a little complicated and took a while um but yeah that's kind of where it started and then you know i did what any good wrestler does and moved to japan on a whim and the rest is history now but you are pretty young so what are we talking about golden era like golden age stuff for you did your brothers like did you guys go back and watch old dvds from the beginning no so We were more like the era of like Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, John Cena, like Stone Cold Rock a little bit, but I was a little young then.

1:06:12But we would like go on YouTube and watch all the Attitude Era stuff. And my mother would be distraught with good reason. I mean, I did become a wrestler and I do throw people in trash cans and things like that. But whoops, don't try this at home. but yeah that's kind of like the attitude error and then ruthless aggression was where i grew up and um yeah i just remember being obsessed with jeff hardy i always say i wanted to be jeff hardy or marry jeff hardy and neither really happened for me but well you have some hardy like but you have some hardy like tendencies for sure just throwing myself off of things that's the big one yeah exactly that is sort of the big thing no fear i guess but did you like when one wants we all you know at some point people a lot of us at least dream of doing it i mean you know one and one day i hope that you uh get your hands on wwe gold the way i already have um one time 24 7 champion um nearly nearly 24 hours with the title so i'm just saying as of this moment i am the most decorated WWE champion on this?

1:07:23I was the NXT champion. I won it four months after my in-ring debut. That's the fastest anyone in NXT has ever won a championship. Technically, Rosenberg doesn't have an in-ring debut because he won it at an announced desk and lost it in a hotel room. Can you link me to your match? I'll send it to you. I'm sure I can learn a thing or two. It has a chapter. It has a chapter in the Royal Rumble DVD. It's very true. Your shining moment. so yeah i guess you are still more decorated than me but when you are significantly so significantly um when you when you grew up though like as a kid just wanting to do this the way we all do did you have an idea of like the glamour and this version of you or did this version of you come to exist because you happen to be glamorous adult and now you're like oh you know what this is going to be my brand.

1:08:18No, so I always grew up as like a girly girl. Like I did sports, but I, you know, I stayed in a tutu and like pink, you couldn't get me out of it. So that was always who I was. And that was actually a bit of a difficulty with becoming a wrestler, particularly like the British independent scene at that time was very gritty. Like everyone wore black and it was like punk. That was the vibe. And I was a complete outcast because I was, you know, all about glitz and glamour I came out to Ariana Grande like I did not fit in but I also was like good I don't want to fit in with you because you're beneath me so I really owned who I was and that's where the glamour started and I think going to Japan just their showmanship and their culture and how like cute everything is and they're like they have the whole idol culture so that really helped me elevate like my costume and my entrance and my like my facial expressions and all of that stuff um and then I think how the glamour has developed and we obviously have the darker side of me the woman from hell and also the glamour is you know she's almost perfect but the flaws are what make her interesting that's kind of what I've developed through real experience and I think that's an edge I have over the girls in NXT they're extremely talented and decorated athletes some of them are Olympians and they've done a lot in their lives but the way that I have developed who I am through real experiences, real failures, vulnerabilities, successes.

1:09:43They don't have that. Jada Parker likes to talk a lot, but all she talks about is me because she can't talk about herself. She hasn't done what I've done. She doesn't have that experience. And that's why she's not a top girl. I am. And you talk about being decorated. I don't need a championship. It's my brand. Doesn't matter if I have gold or not. Now, I did some research on you and I want to make sure I got this right. You have a theater background is that right correct now in the what i know about people with theater backgrounds like the audience the fourth wall they're trained to like kind of shut that off so for you how was it i guess making that transition to wrestling where you have this character it's fully fleshed out it's super developed the ring is your stage but the audience is absolutely not shut out of the performance and you you kind of feed into it versus shutting it off and just being the superstar That's a really good question.

1:10:37I feel like I never thought about it too much. I just know in wrestling, it's so important to interact with the audience. That's why we're there. We're not there for us. It's to entertain the crowd, entertain the people at home. So there's a real mix of like looking to the camera, looking to the people in the crowd. But ultimately, the people in the crowd, in a sense, I mean, I dictate what happens in front of the NXT crowd. I just have them in the palm of my hand. But sometimes, and you see it in matches, you see it in promos, the crowd can shift the whole tone. They decide, no, we want this person or they might stick to a certain thing you didn't expect them to.

1:11:14So I think for me, actually, Japan was the biggest one. So I don't speak Japanese. And I don't know why, but that took fear out of me because I'm like, if they're saying something horrible, I can't even understand them. So I could look at them because when I was on the British independent scenes, like I would wrestle, some of the crowds were like 30 people. There's nothing more daunting than standing there in more or less a swimsuit in a brewery. And it's 30 drunk people who just insult you. And it's it's mortifying. But, you know, going to Japan, one, the audience is super respectful. But two, I can't even understand anyway.

1:11:51So that really helped me be confident in like looking at them because you have to look at them. That's like the big thing. And then, yeah, from there, it was kind of a wrap. and then going to American TV, it was just kind of a natural progression for me. I have a follow-up question too, real quick, if you don't mind. Please. One of my crazier takes on this show was that the Thunderdome should have stuck around for Raw and SmackDown and NXT and that PLEs should be in front of the crowd. With your theater background, I feel like you're the most qualified to answer this question. Is that really a crazy take to remove the crowd.

1:12:32So wait, so to clarify, you're saying we have like the Zoom meeting audience for weekly TV. For weekly TV. No, what are you talking about? No, I'm not crazy or no, I am crazy. No, you're crazy. Listen, you're a little crazy and sometimes that can be a good thing, but I disagree. I think like the crowd makes it. And I think one of the most exciting things is like, so when NXT goes on the road, like when we went to New York, that crowd was, it was a different crowd and it's so exciting they have different chance they have different people that they love they have that could make a star there might be one city like ren sinclair like they go crazy for her and that's her breakout moment she's exceptionally talented maybe in that city she has one match and they get behind it there you go like she's made if every single week we're on a stream yard like i don't think that does anything for anyone i i i i think in COVID like it was a really great idea like it really helped a lot rather than just because we couldn't have anyone empty seats like I get it and it was cool but when we can get real people in there like why wouldn't like they make the show we're nothing without the fans regrettably Blake you're now officially part of the cheap heat family because once someone realizes that that SGG is insane that means you now you understand what I have to go through every week now the speaking of the MSG show a while back and and nxt is coming back to msg soon so the yes the end of the month i think yeah i was um i was at that show and i did the commentary for the evolve uh related matches because i i do evolve and kendall gray uh was defended her title um at that kendall now uh in the NXT ranks and there has been I mean obviously this is your show and you are the face that runs the place but what do you think of what you've seen from young Kendall Gray so far I'm a big investor in the Kendall Gray stocks I actually put Greg wraps on the map because when I first went to the PC me and Kenny were in the same class she's amazing like she's so talented but she's such a cool chick but yeah I remember like watching her on Evolve and every Wednesday I I would go crazy for the Greg Raps.

1:14:52Like I got that over. I don't know who on Twitter is like, I came up with it. And I'm a big, I advocate for her heavily. And I'm so excited for her that she's getting to show her talents. And I know she's the Evolve champion and getting to be now on NXT TV. She got to wrestle JC. That was a fantastic match. And she's just getting started. She's so talented. And I would be really, really excited to work with her. And I feel like I could bring something out of her in terms of her promo and her character. And I think she could challenge me a little bit with the wrestling because she actually was a legit ground wrestler or whatever you Americans do.

1:15:29She was on the mats, you know, with her headgear on, like actually shoot wrestling. So I'd be really excited to, I don't know, what's that about? I'd be really excited to actually mix it up with her, but I'm excited to watch her. She's definitely going to be a huge, huge star. You just reminded me of one of my favorite things when I tell people that if I meet a complete stranger and say I'm into wrestling, and they're like, oh, pro wrestling, like WWE? And I'm like, no, I'm going to watch amateur wrestling. What are you saying? What are you even talking about? Oh, my God. You think pro wrestling fans are weird.

1:16:04Imagine me just showing up to a gym. You know what? I'm now going to answer that. when people are like what like what do you do i'm always like a wrestler there was like oh like wwe and my biggest biggest flex now is being able to be like yeah no i'm like no i'm amateur wrestler yeah i just like i just go around the country with my headgear and i just get in there and you know table and find gyms and just watch them annihilate each other yeah yeah i'm just a fan of it now you you referenced the um the wrestling in front of uh nobody and like do you would it be legitimately more nerve-wracking to be in one of those places where they're half paying attention it's silent so everyone can hear every breath you take it was that legitimately more nerve-wracking than the bigger shows with more people well so i've never i didn't wrestle in covid like i at the time i was only doing the independence in england and but i just didn't look into the small indies in england like if you said it was like a bar i just i just described to you my ptsd i just described to you how that shaped me like I I mean listen I'm a different beast now and I never let it get to me back then but it was just kind of like why am I doing this like they don't respect or care at all like they just wanted to yell at me they were drunk and evil um but no I mean I would definitely for example the the crowd in New York were amazing they were singing the whole time they were so invested in me and soul and I called the soul and zarya thing how toxic that was and when Zarya threw the towel in and took away Seoul's chance of getting back at championship, which is kind of crazy to do.

1:17:39The way that the crowd was booing, you can't... You don't get that every single week, and that's a special thing to have. So I always cherish those moments and those crowds. So I'd definitely always rather be in front of a loud, rowdy crowd than an intimate group of 15 people just... I don't even know. Now, when you see that WrestleMania season is gearing up as it is right now, and I'm sure you'll have your share of appearances and things to do and all kinds of things but i have to imagine because one thing that comes through from you like every time you talk whether on camera or in interviews is that like you know what you are you know where you're destined to be sitting here this year where you're doing big things at nxt and i'm sure you're very focused on that and proud of it but is there a part of you that's just like oh but next year at this time i am going to be in the WrestleMania conversation.

1:18:33Listen, that's always a thought. I want to be at the top of WWE. I want to be the face of WWE, but I'm smart. And my whole career has always been about timing. It's been about the opportunity in front of me, giving it 100 % and then stepping up to the next thing. And look, look at the WrestleMania card. I mean, it's like Liv Morgan, Rhea Ripley. These are huge stars. It's 10 years of TV equity. Do I believe I can hang? Absolutely. But in the meantime, Why wouldn't I build my stock, build my equity? I've been in NXT for not even a year and it is my show. And we talk about the titles. I don't need one.

1:19:06I am the show. My segment is a talking point week in, week out. I'm looking at Stand and Deliver. That's what's coming after Vengeance Day. That's our WrestleMania. There are two titles available. Maybe I take one. Or maybe I'll just have a feud with whichever girl wants to step to me. And that will be the match of the show. Jada and I, I'm going to bring her up and we will be the match of the night at Vengeance Day. And I see WrestleMania on the horizon and I think back to the Rumble. Everybody was dying for a Blake Monroe appearance. And to me, that's a good sign. That means when I do go to the main roster, when I do enter the Rumble, when I do go to WrestleMania, these fans have been waiting for this, dying for this, and they're going to be so excited.

1:19:45Because if you try to rush things or you do it too soon, there is no anticipation. Nobody cares. And that can never be me. I'm glad you brought that up, P, because that was going to be something I asked you is, why was it so important for you to go through NXT? Because I feel like before you got here, your name came up as somebody, you know, fans try to make that call and say, this person needs to go here. This person needs to do that. And your name was one of the ones that was brought up as like, she's main roster ready. Put her in a main event, women's feud, do this, do that, slot her in right at the top.

1:20:17but you went the NXT route. I don't think people were disappointed, but I'm kind of curious about why it was important for you to take that path versus trying to, I guess, start at the top. Listen, I've said it this whole interview, like I know I'm capable of being a top girl in WWE and I have no doubt in my mind I could have walked into that spot, but I play the long game. I also earn my dues. Like when I went to Japan, I slept on the floor. I trained in the dojo two to three times a week. I did every show, put the ring up, put the ring down. in the last TV company I was in, I earned my dues.

1:20:50I'm a strong believer in that. I don't think you're above anything. And I think humility does pay off. And I wanted to come to NXT because I wanted to train. The facility is incredible. The coaches are incredible. I have Shawn Michaels every single week giving me advice. He's one of the best in the world. So why would I not take up that opportunity? And even if you look at, for example, my in-ring promos, if you look at the first promo I did in NXT to how I cut promos now, in just that short space of time, I've gotten so much better because I worked at it because I got that experience and I would rather get that experience now before hopping onto Netflix I mean Raw gets millions of viewers I would rather come as a complete package why wouldn't I be on my A game before stepping into you know Bianca Belair's or Rhea Ripley's why wouldn't I do that and mind you NXT has 700 ,000 viewers and one of the main reasons I also wanted to go is because I wanted to work with Sol Rooker and I wanted to work with Tatum Paxley and you got a little taste of what Saul and I can do.

1:21:47And I think we have so much more to tell and I haven't even crossed paths with Tatum yet. And that's something I'm dying to do. So I think I understand the anticipation. It will come one day, but for now, just sit back and enjoy what I'm doing. It's going to be good. Well, listen, I just want to say, it's been fun to watch this. First, I love your approach and that that is your attitude. And since nothing is too small for you, I would like to formally invite you to stop by Evolve one day and give us the old Blake Monroe rub. You know what I'm talking about? That could give us a boost on Tubi. Yeah, she said 700 ,000.

1:22:22If Kenny's there, I might show my face. I might. I mean, we film in Orlando. I live here. I mean, I'm just saying, you get a pop out from Blake Monroe. That's changing the whole field. I'd have to clean up. I would show up early that day, mop the whole thing. I mean, it's not currently ready. You should be doing that anyway. These outfits are not glamorous enough. Listen, you never ever know what could happen in wrestling. I would love to show up on a vote. I'd love to wrestle Kenny. Because people wouldn't expect it, you know, to see the glamour, just walk through those doors. Is there ever anything that's annoying about, like, being the person that you are on television?

1:23:02Is there ever any times when it's hard to be that all the time in regular life? Or is the person that we see on the CW every Tuesday basically who you are in regular life? The first thing you see on CW on Tuesday is who I am when I'm in the wrestling world. When I'm in my beautiful home with my pool and my books, I'm a little different, but the world will only ever see Blake Monroe and they'll never know the real me. What are you reading? What are you reading? Lord of the Rings. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it's an epic one. so wrestling being into wrestling is not dorky enough for you you said let me get you said let me when i look like this i can be as dorky as i want when i look like this the dorker i am it converts into aura when you look like you the dorker you are it's just straight up dorkiness does that make sense but you said you you meant both of us or is it just yeah you can catch that stray that's fine i was talking to him but you want to include yourself yeah you brought sgg you dragged yourself right i was trying to make sure i was out of it no well that's what that you you you dragged yourself in when you were like hey what if we did a zoom meeting every tuesday instead of the live crowd like all right i liked you and now i'm over it yeah i just wanted we felt the same way about it listen we felt the same way about sg we liked until that take also um nxt vengeance day is coming up this saturday to you and me from orlando florida uh jada parker and blake monroe in a street fight it's going to be amazing we look forward to it and thank you so much for your time today we thank you for making the show a tad more glamorous yeah you're welcome that is Blake Monroe everyone thank you for joining us this week don't forget to subscribe to the podcast wherever you find it if you don't catch the replay on Sirius SGG stay made this weekend my friend enjoy yourself alright everyone take it easy