Breaking Fast, or Lack Thereof, with Dip

0:26Fip, everybody out there. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh. Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was repugged. It's professional wrestling. Welcome, welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the world's number one sports and recreation podcast and radio show. It is time for Cheap Heat Live. I am your forever 24-7 champion, Peter Rosenberg. I'm joining you from New York City. A beautiful, beautiful fall week here on the East Coast. Joining us in Philadelphia, PA, it is the physically large stat guy, Greg. And good to be here on this wonderful Saturday.

1:17My tribal chief is still champion. We've got justice for Sammy. I mean, we have so much to talk about. You know, just me as a wrestling fan couldn't be more happy with the results. Really? We're going to get to that because there's a lot of results to get to. And a man who loves chaos more than them all, even though he hasn't been watching a ton, but we're going to catch him up, is our good friend 39 at 35, Dipperstein. God, that 35 is getting away from you. It really is. What am I going to do about 40? I mean, what are we going to say then? you're gonna have to have the only option i gotta get on another list yeah i was gonna say you gotta squeeze into a 40 under 40 this year i gotta squeeze in yeah we we need you to get a 40 under 40 uh today or in the next six months but that is dip great to have you back man um there's so much stuff to get to including later in the show dips uh european adventure in business class Not to mention I was back in the MRI tube this week, so there's a lot to talk about, certainly.

2:26But, SGG, you just talked about it. It has been, in some ways, a week of complete chaos. I put out a message on Instagram the other day, SGG, that you commented on saying that I thought the Friday-Monday combo in Mexico City of SmackDown and Raw was one of the most eventful SmackDown Raw combinations we have seen in a really long time. I saw early on, so I'm going to be honest. I'm going to keep it a buck with everybody. All right? Speak the truth, Pete. Yeah, all I can do is speak my truth. Last Friday, I did not watch SmackDown Live, and I saw a post from someone who will remain nameless complaining about the title change.

3:13And I was like, oh my gosh, a title change. I did not expect to hear that on this Friday night. And so I went running to watch. And I have to tell you guys, I had a really unique experience. Some of the people in our group chat who are like the very, very much the, I don't want to say bitter wrestling fans, but a hard to please crowd. Their reaction to it. and then some of the things I saw online versus my brother, who is the exact opposite. He watches every show in earnest. He's not watching with the judgment of 1 ,000 episodes of Raw and SmackDown. He's watching it on a I wonder if I'll see fun TV tonight.

4:01It's not even that, though. You know why Nick's perspective is so fresh and needed in the online internet wrestling community overall? all is because Nick is not a smart and smarts hold on to the smart part of it and think that they know everything and think that they can are in a position to second guess decisions. And this would have been better because it would have played out like this. And they forget that they're still buying the tickets. They're still buying the merch. They're still getting the mostly invested. So there's still marks. And Nick is literally just a fan. He's not too high on his own supply intellectually about what he knows backstage.

4:40He gets to, like you said, he turns on the TV. He watches to have some fun and he judges it by, was this fun? Am I excited about where this might go? Right. And there's not enough of that. I'm going to say there's going to be a moment when he becomes that smirk. And then, and then it's, you know, there's going to be a change. He's going to dislike something. And then all of a sudden the whole attitude is going to change. though and we should maybe we'll talk to Nick today he has things he dislikes and will be like oh I'm not into this or I'm not into that but he just doesn't overdo it with the thinking about you know every single thing like you know for example you know back to Friday Andrew in our our Jew world order chat, he immediately shot down the priest truth.

5:37He'll turn. It was like, Oh my God, whatever that was. And I sort of echoed that sentiment to Nick before I had seen it really. And he's like, Oh, what was, what was wrong with that? And I'm like, I don't know. I guess the logic is it was like, you know, just kind of random. He's like, yeah, but it's not random. They've been hinting towards it like that was. Yeah. And then I don't know what Andrew or whoever else was expecting Priest to do. Yeah. Not every storyline. The heel turn is going to make you go crazy. Sometimes it's going to be a standard issue. We're standing in the ring together. Clothesline like that.

6:12We can't get all the barbershop window. Can't all be barbershop window, guys. I'm sorry. I think they're trying to figure out what to do with Damien Priest. I think they needed a way out of the tag team. I think it could have been a little bit more imaginative the way that they got him out of it. yes um but uh i i you know i just don't think it was enough of like a critical piece of the show to be really no thrilled about oh yeah exactly or to be upset about it's both ways i hear you now listen do i think that there's a the the funny the the potential humor between priest and truth that we've seen at times is such that and truth's character is like funny and warm enough that i I think you can really land a turn on him really well.

6:59And I agree. I think unimaginative is a fair way to put it. But back to the other point. On an episode with that many things coming out of it, only a really bitter smark is coming away complaining about the priest's truth moment. Like, they put the title back on Sami Zayn in Mexico City. Like, there is utter chaos in that title picture. And what are we now going to see with Sami Zayn? To me, the biggest question I have about it is, how do you keep the Sami Zayn justice for Sami, all his legitimate reason for bitterness, how do you keep that going with the title on him? To me, guys, that is the most interesting question.

7:45Can they keep it interesting now that Sami is the guy at the top of the mountain? And what does that look like? Because I don't imagine it's him. I don't know. Is it him running around with Johnny Gargano and Candice LeRae? Could we start? I don't know. The only thing I thought there was to really take from the Randy promo was his emphasis on Cody being a good guy. You know who the last real good guy? That's Sami Zayn. Exactly. So is there a way that we get Sami and Cody together? those to me are the interesting questions but I'm saying all of this to say overall dip you of all people this is what you love you turn on a random episode of Smackdown and you get a title change every once in a while why not it's something it's something it just the title picture on Smackdown is just so much more enriched than the title picture on Raw and so the idea that any of these people can realistically hold the title talking about Finn Roman Cody uh and Randy and and whoever else.

8:53Different title changes between the four of them is making SmackDown interesting. Wait, it's KO, Sammy, Punk, Finn. I mean, Gunther's around there. All of these guys, you can see winning the title at any moment, which is cool. Right. If that's what they're looking to do and set up for, then I'm all about it. If there's just the transition period going on with Sammy again to get Cody to something else, then I'm not sure how much I do like it. You know what I'm saying? If the purpose of it is anything can happen, awesome. Yes. Great. If it's to get Cody to something else, then I'm like, you know, I mean, everything is to get something to something else.

9:41But you know what I'm saying? If it's purposely to just sort of make it, if it's a transitional period on purpose with Sammy, then I don't know. I don't know what, what's up where are you at sgg i'm i'm sort of in the middle with dip like if if it's this anything can happen kind of thing that they're trying to set up i am all for it um but but where i would caution dip in worrying about where they're going is that by the time they get there we will be so far removed from this that we you know it's it doesn't make sense in the moment to try and figure out where they're going and where it's going to eventually end up because yeah they've been hot potato in the title a little bit on SmackDown, but these title changes on TV, they've all been interesting.

10:20The matches have delivered, the stories that we got out of those matches have delivered. And I don't want to speak for dip on this, but I personally have been enjoying it. So if it is just another transitional period or whatever the case may be, that might not be for me to care about right now because evaluating it in the moment, they've been delivering some heaters in that title picture. Just even KO coming back, going right at Punk. Those promos, those matches. Sami, for weeks, cracking everybody with the title belt like it was still his title. You know what I mean? Using it as a weapon and then getting it back.

10:55It was a fun summer on SmackDown, man. I can't even, I don't even care. It's a good way of putting it. It was a fun summer. And Dip, I don't think your point is off either on the raw side of things in that. And obviously, we want to spend some time on Roman Penta. And I think as much time, it deserves as much time to talk about what we saw between Dragon Lee and Chad Gable. Because that thing was a dip. I know you haven't gotten time to watch the full show. You're going to love Chad Gable and Dragon Lee. That is professional wrestling, my friend. That is professional wrestling. Yeah. I mean, I've been waiting for Gable to get this moment for a very, I've been a Gable guy for.

11:40But you're a Dragon League guy too. Big Dragon League guy. Big. So it's. I would say one of the biggest Dragon League guys in the biz today. I would agree with that assessment. But like. Yeah, I actually have to vouch for that. Now, not physically biggest Dragon League guys in the business. But in terms of passion, I think that's true. He's one of the great Lees. Yeah, one of the great Lees. Stan Lee. Spike Lee. Yep. Yep. AJ Lee. AJ Lee. We don't talk about Bruce Lee. What about Bruce Lee, folks? The number one Lee of all time? We don't talk about the Lees when it comes to wrestling families. David Lee.

12:17Yeah. I can't think of it. I'm trying to come up with other Lees. Dip, what is Spike Lee's cousin, the other director? Is it Malcolm Lee? Malcolm Lee. Malcolm D. Lee. Malcolm D. Lee. Yeah. Now Dragon Lee. Yeah. Now Dragon Lee. but Roman Penta you can hold two things at the same time Roman Penta was friggin amazing and also not to go back to it but also one of the great dragons yeah that's a great point also he's up there with Puff the magic dragon Puff the magic dragon there are several dragons though I know you're not a Game of Thrones person I know that dragon I'm aware of that dragon there are you know Dracarys anytime you say Dracarys it's a different level dragon conversation but he's a mage dragon by the way shout out to all the Game of Thrones nerds who watched the Emmys did you watch the Emmys SGG I did where are you going with this when they had the two Targaryens up there together who are five generations apart that was a mage If you're a fan of the Game of Thrones world, that was a very fun – having her speak in Targaryen, that was some of the best stuff that happened.

13:45She's like, it's going to take too long. You just might as well say it. But the Roman penta match, the two things you can hold at the same time are – and obviously we want to hear from you, 877-344-4893. I think Dip is right about the title picture on Raw not necessarily being as easy to understand or like necessarily as exciting. And also Roman Pento was a thing of magic. Like both of those things can be true. Like that was magic. And also it's like what you thought would happen ended up happening. And then Ellie Knight kind of shows up and they didn't show it on TV at the time. And Ellie Knight just shows up at the end.

14:22It's like, what about me, bro? like we we we got to get back to what the the main title picture is yeah we're done with your little hiatus with penta back to la night and if you're not a huge fan of the la night roman story then i understand why you wouldn't be thrilled with the title picture is yeah i just got to push back on that a little bit because dip is right fundamentally but also what what's missing from the analysis is the title pitcher on SmackDown is a bunch of made guys fighting for that one spot on the mountaintop. We just named the names, right? Gunther, who's been a champion of some sort the entire time he's been in WWE.

15:03I think it's like 80 % of the time he's held the title belt. You got Finn Balor, who hasn't been as successful as a champion, but has always been incredible CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Randy Owen, Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn, right? Like these are a bunch of made guys all fighting for that top prize. And then on the other side on Raw, you have Roman. And I hate to say it like this because it almost always sounds condescending when you say it like this, but it's Roman kind of making guys, right? With the exception of Seth Rollins, there was your LA Knight, your Jacob Fatu, your Penta, who after a tournament got Roman Reigns.

15:40So I think what they're trying to accomplish is very different. And with Roman, it's like, if he had the roster that they had on SmackDown, a bunch of made guys, it obviously would feel different, but he's on Raw sort of like, even him trying to prove himself because he's defending without any interference and without his family getting involved at all. So he's trying to make himself, reinvent himself and make a bunch of other guys in the process. They're doing two different things on the shows is all I'm trying to say. Listen, I agree with you. I just, it's more confusing. It's, the smackdown is chaos but it i i can follow it better as i've always pointed out the sort of jacob solo royce keys la night it's just a little more it's a little bit more of a reach as a story at this moment of like what we haven't seen what is going to happen to tie it all together yet and I think it's a little looser, but I do enjoy that there's chaos.

16:41But again, as you do, there are just some people who aren't buying LA Knight as the number one contender. Yeah, we're going to have to pass the mic to one of those people in a little bit. I fear when Dib starts to say that. Where are you at with LA Knight at this moment? Where does it stand with you and LA Knight? I just like to see it be a little bit, like he's not beating Roman Reigns. So what are we doing here? Like, it's like that. That's how I'm starting to feel. Did you believe there could be more of a chance in Penta beating him than LA Knight? No. I don't think either of them have a chance to beat Roman Reigns.

17:15I did see people comment. SGG, tell me how you feel. I did see people comment that there were moments during the match on Monday where they thought Penta could win. And I was like, I thought the match was amazing. I never thought Penta was going to win. Where were you at with that, SGG? no there were moments where i thought penta penta could pull it out too just because yeah because of how they said and this is a testament to roman right when going into the match and in the promos he feels like he's unbeatable and then when the bell rings in between those bells he does actually feel very beatable like he takes everybody's moves he's the best he kicks out at the very last minute he feels beatable once that bell has rung he is the romans rome it was funny people were you know there was a lot of roman hogan jokes on twitter um and they were pretty funny of like it was roman wearing hogan gear and you know and saying you know it's and then showing him pinning Penta saying, it's not going to work for me, brother.

18:23And I know people may have meant this, obviously jokingly. Some may have meant it as an insult. I see it as a compliment because Hogan's best attribute was to be in a match with people that you knew were not beating Hogan. But when he would start holding that back and he's sweating, you're like, hold on a second. This guy is getting the shit kicked out of him. I don't know. By the way, comparing Roman Reigns to Hulk Hogan as a wrestler in his wrestling world is the ultimate compliment. I agree. Sorry. By the way, they're both guys who were on top for just an absolute insane amount of time that people stayed interested in for a long time.

19:13Now will Roman – Roman is now getting to the period where – I know their career trajectory is completely different. So I'm just talking about the on top period. Like timeline-wise, SGG, we're at what? Six years now of Roman truly being in God mode? Mm-hmm. Since 2020. I mean it's debatable. It's debatable. I would put it before that. Yeah, but you were wrong. It was just you. No, no. I would put it before that. But he was in God mode. SGG. It's undeniable 2020 like to now. 2020 is the – God mold, undeniable. That's when everybody else caught up, I would say. I think – In other words, when he became on top, truly.

19:54So, yes. So, six years, that would – in Hogan time, we would be in 90 still. He's still the guy. Still the guy in 90. Hogan's coming down in 90. I mean, we had this debate. This is the beginning, right? Yeah. It's starting to come down in 90. This is a great comparison, I would say. Let's see. I'm feeling very good about where Roman's going to be over the next couple of years. Another piece of interesting Nick, earnest wrestling fan. Let's call him Nick, the earnest wrestling fan Rosenberg. Another thought he had was, he was like, man, I got to tell you, my brother's not the biggest Roman guy.

20:34again he wasn't around to see Roman's transition which I think sort of hurts the ability to enjoy Roman in all of his glory if you didn't see the pandemic era was like so important but anyways he was like wow I loved Roman being the heel in that match like when the whole crowd was booing him as opposed to it being sort of split he enjoyed roman on a whole different level in that role which i thought was another interesting thing like this crowd was 100 in favor of penta yeah and by the way folks i i know in wrestling everybody's kind of a tweener it's pretty good when the crowd feels one way about you it it it makes for a we we generally like the whole good guy bad guy thing it's working pretty well in this wrestling business yeah It's nice when the crowd gets on board with the story, right?

21:31Because how awkward would that have been if it was just like, nah, we don't really get to see the tribal chief and we ride it with him. Yeah, it would have sucked. That's not what we want. I've seen a luchador before. We'd never seen the tribal chief in a long time. But Roman's so good. Roman can play it any way you want. And he knew from the second his entrance was what it was, he's like, okay, perfect. Here, I got this. And he's so good at being in that role. Like he just knows how to play that role. I think it was, first of all, I think Roman looks in the best physical condition he's ever looked in this match.

22:05And in ring, his work is the best it may have ever been. It's so good right now. Yes, I would say that it was one of Roman's best matches ever, for sure. I would say Penta, for a large luchador, moves incredibly well doing lucha moves, okay? He also is a guy, his timing, I think we mentioned it a little earlier, Penta's timing in ring is to me unmatched. Okay. You're never going to, it appears that you will never see a botch from Penta. He is an, he's unbotchable. Okay. I mean, when he was working at the other place, I was, I was like, I thought even when he was tagging with his brother, this is one of the best wrestlers I've ever seen in my life.

22:50I also feel that way about Ray Phoenix too, to be honest with you. So I'm waiting for that to, I mean, eventually like, I would say Penta is gaining in momentum right now as a feature, as a single star. Whenever that starts to dip and they put him in the tag with Ray Phoenix, they're going to be the greatest tag team, potentially one of the greatest tag teams in WWE history. It's a great call. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that because that was my thing when people would say, you have the Lucha Brothers, put them together, the tag team division needs them. like no no no that needs to be the in case of emergency break glass because either one or both of these guys is coming down and that we're not there yet you got the rocket on both of them you keep it there because when they break that glass and they pull that move they're going to be right back here again would you say the rockets on ray phoenix i mean by the way but He was in the finals of that tournament.

23:44I know. If they do put some sort of rocket ship, even if it's a mini rocket, a tiny rocket. Yeah, it might be a mini rocket. A little rocket. On Rey Fenix, build him up to the point where he's in penta mode, and then eventually put them together. I mean, we're talking like Usos-type run, potentially, for them. I don't know. That's how I feel. The moment is – I thought one of the coolest moments in this match was when Roman pounded the – Did the right before the and his arm hurt. I've never seen him before. Yes. That was great. That was a great moment. That's that's the IQ. That's that's just the ring IQ and just knowing like everything matters.

24:25Everything everything has to matter. And it made Penta look so great. Yeah, it was a great match, though. It was a great match. I didn't I never thought he would win. If he did win, I thought it would have been awesome. But it's so funny. It's like you can look at the WWE calendar and if like, you know, it's like, you know who the crowd favorite is. Like, it's like, I don't know. Like, do you feel like it's maybe a little bit formulaic? It's like, like if they're, if they're, if they're going to have this huge weekend in Mexico that Penta is getting the title shot that weekend. Or, you know, if they're, you know, in like, you know what I'm saying?

24:56It's like, it feels like it's like, you know, like they lead up to the, to the city. There's a lot of lead up to cities going on. This is true. This is true. But what made me feel like Penta could win, though, and circling back to that is because they tried so much. They put the title on Stephanie in her hometown at a house show, live event. El Grande, we knew he was going to get the title, but that was a title switch. Then Sami got the title switch. And I immediately thought back to WrestleMania 35. 35 and the prevailing thought for me during that time was alright they're not going to stack this many feel good moments right there's no way that Seth and Kofi are going to win the title and if they do there's no way that Becky is going to walk out of there with two new titles and then at the end of WrestleMania 35 as long as it was Seth was the new champ Kofi was the new champ and then Becky became Becky two belts and I'm looking at Monday and I'm like they did it before.

26:00They might not have an issue doing it again and switching up four titles and giving people four title changes that they want to see back to back to back to back. My question is will Ricky Saints beat Roman Reigns at Money in the Bank in New Orleans? That's what I'm saying. Is he going to get his moment there? It's New Orleans. It's time. Does Sammy have the belt back because they're going to Crown Jewel? that's one of the things that's being written so it's like look I understand the business of it it makes complete sense but it's definitely a pattern for sure alright let's let's take a moment let's towel off let's give out the phone number 877-344-4893 if you're new to the cheap heat universe we would love to hear from you If you want to get in the mailbag today, some mail, we would love to talk to you as well.

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28:10Peter Rosenberg, stat guy Greg, Dip is back. We're going to talk to you, 877-344-4893. Dip, you just made an interesting point during the break. You feel like people feel like something again. Yeah. Yeah. You got – like everyone sort of all of a sudden feels like a star again. Everyone feels important again. I think there was a dip in that for five seconds. But we're back feeling like whatever they're doing with – what they're doing with Royce Keys, what they're doing with Jacob, what they're doing with LA Knight, with, you know, Penta, Oba. Chad Gable. Chad Gable. Great example. Maybe the best example.

28:54All of a sudden, it feels like everyone matters, which is, I think, obviously what they try to achieve. But the formula, whatever they're doing is working, I would say, as far as star making right now. I love that. You know, at first I was I was, you know, cautious with the in my mind about the Royce Keys and that whole that group. Now I'm like, they seem like badasses who could legitimately beat the crap out of anybody. and I love the vignette from Raw. More vignettes. We love vignettes. We love getting people out of the ring and showing different things. That's a thing we love. All right, let me play devil's advocate for a moment before we get to your calls.

29:33Do we feel the same way star making wise about the women?

29:40I think they've done a good job with Stephanie now that she's back. The title change on a house show is both interesting and it's a to me that's a mixed bag that's good and bad the the title change off tv yeah i don't i'm not hating on it at all like it's cool it's cool but i also like literally felt confused i was watching triple a and graves is like the former live the former champion i was like what is he talking about did did do graves just stroke out during triple a and yeah oh no there was a title change i don't know uh what i i don't know i i wouldn't say the exact same um but uh yes i you know to some degree i thought the qualifying match sgg between the women the other night was was pretty cool and i the future for for kehlani to me just feels there's so much upside there yeah her and lola both but um i'm with dip to some degree you can say that about the women but you you'd be right to say that it's not it's sort of the antithesis of nxt right where on nxt the women run the show everybody's future is bright you can see it and then on raw it's just like there's a little and smack that's like you know it's up and down there's a great bench there's a great bench let's just say that yeah we just need people to get off the bench yes yeah i think they need to figure out how to get them off the bench but the bench isn't meant for sleeping you don't want to sleep on the bench you sit on it then you get up yeah it's one of the great i'd say one of the great benches.

31:08Yeah. We talked about it last week, right? Roxanne Perez feels like she's on the bench and she's not, you know, she's so she's a franchise player. Franchise player. We went over. Oh, yeah. We went over. She's the prodigy. We went over stats on her last week. You've never seen matches lost like this. This woman has she has not one match. She like four matches in a year on WWE television. And that includes like main event, dude, which is the definition of TV Ajax. She went from winning everything in NXT to losing everything. And listen, again, I'm not a big wins and losses guy. But at some point, you know, just like I say, Roman doesn't have to win every match.

31:55Yes, Roxanne doesn't have to lose every match either. Okay. Wins and losses don't matter, but you have to get to a point when you can sustain that. right you that's that's that's something you achieve in wrestling when your status is such that wins and losses don't matter piling on the losses before you have achieved that status is it ends up being a problem like a huge problem and another interesting conversation around that would be whenever roman loses the title again in a weird way i'll find it like uh cool and exciting for his character because with the title I just feel he'll never lose now if he was moving around again without the title much like that loss to Bronson Reed that loss to Bronson Reed did nothing to hurt Roman Reigns no but it was a super interesting thing to do for him and for Bronson Reed but with the title I will go into every match with an LA Knight like Dip said he ain't losing to LA Knight New Orleans no way alright let's talk to you the people 877-344-4893 three let's go down to a city with a great name saint pete we got josh what's up josh hey uh just wanted to throw a scenario so earlier on busted open someone had mentioned some tidbits about tying jacob fatu to uh royce keys and his group and i was thinking whether it's jay or i was thinking specifically jacob um have jacob win the money in the bank and then maybe even have like some shenanigans to where LA does beat Roman and then basically is demanding the briefcase from Jacob to be able to get that title shot back.

33:43And that causes the rift that shows like basically leads to him, um, revealing himself as part of Royce's group. And I just wanted to get your guys' thoughts on that. And I'm gonna jump off and listen to what you got to say. Appreciate you. Listen, I think that's a very interesting booking. I would love to see that. I don't see a world in which Roman Reigns tells somebody he needs a briefcase to be the champion. That's the only issue with that point. By the way, would love to see it. That's what you call a storyline. I do see Jacob as the Batista though as the Samoan Batista right he wins the championship and Roman's like alright cool I got this one you go over there you get Sammy because Sammy betrayed the family and now he's on his high horse and you bring it back to the family take it from Sammy and then Jacob's like I actually don't need the family because I have this briefcase and I have my own family and then he's aligned with 946 and I will say this um the idea of Jacob winning the do I like the idea of him having the briefcase I do we know you do he'd be psychotic with it slamming against his own head he maybe could eat it and he could eat the briefcase it does make you realize even while we're like as much as we're like smart marks, we're like LA Knight can't beat Roman Reigns.

35:21But of course, like if this is where they decide to really take the 9-4-6 thing and make it a thing, the beneficiary of that could end up being LA Knight. That could be the thing. The only unfortunate thing about that for me would be if LA Knight is to ever win the title, it feels to me like it's going to be one of those wins that are kind of for his fans. and when you win it, him winning it in that way, I don't know what hit the same way as him one day climbing the mountain. I just don't think that mountain is going to be Roman Reigns. That's the thing. Yeah. They could put on a good match, I suppose.

35:58I just don't. Oh, no, they could have a great. I'm sure they can have a great match. Hey, real quick. Who are going to be the veterans they put in this women's match? Because right now it's Sol Ruka and Lola Vice. So if they add one or two more kids to that match, I just wonder who are going to be the vets who really keep the wheels on in that Money in the Bank match. I mean, by the way, same thing on the men's side, Braun Breaker and Javon. I mean, Javon's the young OG, so we're not even going to talk about him as like a non-veteran. He filled in for me and dip on cheap. He made this kind of clear.

36:36He knows his way around. True. And I would say the same thing about Roxanne Perez. if you need a veteran in there that can sneakily double as like the youth and the future of WWE throw Roxanne Perez in there I would say in the case of both Roxanne and Javon here's where I'll push back on you they're not the vet you're putting in there but they're also not I also don't consider them people you have to worry about they're just they're good they'll be good but you still got I feel like you still have a couple of people who could be like hey I've done this thing before although what the hell do I know I don't know maybe this thing is easy and they can all figure it out I don't know To me, it always looks very complex.

37:11I think Braun Breaker gets the briefcase, but I don't see him with it. I can't picture him holding it. It's like he's like too much of a badass to hold a briefcase. Well, Paul Heyman can hold a briefcase. Like walk around with it, right? Paul is not there. Yeah, I was going to say, the same Paul Heyman who refuses to be seen with them in public. Like every time you see them with Paul, it's backstage in like a weird hallway. Like Theory has the tag belt. And so he's not going to like I'm saying like Maxine could hold it. But like I don't see Braun Breaker hold. I think he's going to win it. That's my prediction.

37:54Okay. And I think he's going to win it. What if it changes him? What if the briefcase requires that he starts dressing differently and like kind of helps build his character on the fact that he does now carry the briefcase? I don't know. I don't see Javon winning. I don't think he needs it. No, and I don't see him challenging for the world title right now. No, I think if you have Bron Breaker having the briefcase and you get, you know, if you do end up getting Roman Oba in Saudi, the idea that you have just, you're doing this long run of a feud between Oba and Bron Breaker. and then you know that comes back to bite somebody in the ass you know as the future or whatever you know in Saudi or something I mean that's interesting to me that would be interesting I don't know he's gonna have that the other there's so many slots to fill I I don't know that I think it's gonna be Bron I know I don't think it's gonna be Javon I don't think I don't know that I think it's gonna be Bron either I said this last week I think it's gonna be Penta And I know he had the title match on Monday.

38:59No. But I think... That's not interesting. I don't think Penta with the briefcase is interesting. It's got to be someone who can benefit from it. Storyline-wise. What if Royce Keys gets himself into the ladder match? It's going to be someone associated with the vision or... Why? That's what I think. That's what I think. maybe it's uh maybe it's brunson reed i i you know is the briefcase the thing that takes dominic mysterio to the next level right he just maybe they've heard so much criticism that that dominic is not getting his mouth his push or not getting put he's not getting you know i could see a response to that being like oh yeah well now he has the briefcase i could that yeah i could see that i could see that but but again with roman having that title there are just certain people that know how matter how dope they are you just don't see them beating roman so dominic having the briefcase just i i guess you never know there's judgment day is still around but not feeling you don't see them beating roman straight up yeah but i also don't send i also don't feel the judgment day is still like a super hot thing to have that be the thing that would cost him no no but like but could they challenge for the other title i'm sorry wait yeah yeah right so look at it like this right roman had that match with penta one-on-one straight up hard-fought win and even la knight caught him slipping at the end of that match the person with the briefcase whoever it is a roman reigns who was insisting on his family not getting involved and handling his affairs the even a dominic with this version of judgment day holding that briefcase i agree to catch roman slipping after a hard fought match no listen i agree to me it's always the question about the briefcase is just who do who do it who excites me to picture it and none of the names we've mentioned the only one for me that would like excite me in some way like Royce keys excites me because I feel like it's a guy walking around who will get the title when he feels like cashing in how often do they how often do they do that right I feel like last year listen this isn't about how often they do it it's about what excites me like that you know what I'm saying like that's what I'm saying but that excites me him personally having because I'm excited to me the briefcase is about making someone and taking them to the next place there's already this cool momentum around Royce keys I'm excited I guess that's the thing that I'm most excited by so adding to that feels exciting to me none of the other names we mentioned like the vision and brawn it makes sense, it just doesn't excite me in the same way, and let's see what the people want to say let's go to Chris in New Jersey, what's up Chris what do you got?

41:58Hey, so I think ultimately with Roman I think it's kind of obvious it's going to be Oba Roman I think that's kind of easy, but I do think that come Money in the Bank, like you were mentioning, Braun, I've been a huge Braun Baker fan from day one, and I'm so stoked for that, but I think I love what he's doing now, like you guys were saying, how he's building pent-up, and I think this match with LA Knight is just going to boost him. He's not going to win, but I feel like maybe he ultimately takes a jump to SmackDown, and he'll take a shot at that one. I don't see him beating Roman, but I think it'll at least give him some credibility to eventually beat, I don't know, eventually beating Sammy.

42:44Or if Cody ever holds it again, I could see it eventually him getting enough credibility to beat maybe Cody or someone. But I think it's going to help him in the long run, LA Knight. But I guess that my question also is, Bron Breaker in his current status, if it's not the belt, and the other guy I'm really high on is Jacob Fatu and I know that him and Roman just had the whole thing but do you see him getting the belt eventually? Do you see him like, do you see like a direction where eventually either Bron or Jacob gets it? I mean, I don't know. I've been wondering this for a while. What's the timeline on eventually?

43:24What's the expiration date you're giving me for eventually? Because eventually, yeah, I do see them getting it. Bron will get the title before Jacob Fatu. for sure. I don't say for sure. I don't agree. I think. I would say that makes more sense. Thank you for the call, Chris. I don't agree. We've disagreed about this from the beginning. I think Dip has mistakenly put Jacob... I know you're a fan, so don't get defensive. I know you're a fan, but I think you have mistakenly put Jacob in a box that he should not be in. You're sensing I'm putting it in a box? Yes, you're putting him in like the wild lunatic bruiser Brody box, and he can talk too well for that.

44:11He's too compelling a character. He's got too much depth as a character. I think he is someone – I think Jacob – I still feel – I think Jacob one day pins Roman one, two, three. I do. Yeah. I'm with P. I'm telling you. I'm not so sure. He'll get in the best shape he's ever been in. He'll be jacked to the frigging gills. He can talk. He's entertaining. He's got a catchphrase. He's got all the things. They have history. He has a story. I really, I think the ceiling is like incredibly high for Jacob. I'm not saying it's not. I just. And I think Braun still needs time. Like Braun's amazing. But like, and by the way, Braun showed growth.

44:53We talked about this while you were gone, Dip. Braun showed really great growth on the mic during his story with Oba. I think he really. Oba helped push him which is an incredible testament to you talk about a young OG I mean Oba's like Oba's work on the mic during that story it's every week he improves it's like it's like he's it's like his brain is on steroids like he somehow every week his brain gets better in the ring like he's somehow a better talker constantly it's an incredible thing to watch but Braun really grew in that time I thought But let's get to Rob from Iowa before we take a break, who wants to talk LA Knight.

45:33What's up, Rob? Welcome back, buddy. I was just wondering, who in charge hates LA Knight? They're booking him in the exact same story that they did three years ago that killed all of his momentum then. He's on a show where Roman is the champion. He's gotten hot. It's in the fall. We all kind of know who's going to be relieving Roman of that title when it happens, and we all kind of know where that's going to happen. And at least we think we do. So the last time he lost, that really knocked him down a couple of pegs. And in that one, it was a schmoz where he got screwed. Now it's taken him nearly three years to get back to the same spot.

46:09You're going to do the exact same thing again. Only this time, Roman's going to beat him clean because that's the story they've been telling with Roman. And by the way, that's the right decision because that's more important. So, like, I know there's possibilities exist where he could beat Roman and then Roman wins it back. But Roman's not a hot potato champion. He's going to hold that thing until the guy that takes him takes it from him. So it just feels like a dead-end storyline where L.A. Knight's going to come up a loser again. I'm just not sure at his age he's going to be able to recapture this momentum again.

46:37But here's the thing I could say about that, Rob. I don't disagree with what you're saying completely, except there are people who could argue the exact opposite. They could argue you're saying who hates L.A. Knight. There are people who could be arguing, man, they really like L.A. Knight. Because a lot of people don't believe he's that dude. and I'm not listen this isn't like a personal feeling I I can see LA Knight getting to the top of the mountain I I've given him a lot of props I think LA Knight's dope and I think if he makes it to the top of the mountain I'll be here for it but there are other people who think he's like a high-end mid-carder and that this run that he's been on of like hovering around the title for a year is actually a sign that he's got some big fans you know what I'm saying I tip my hat to that flip peak because i was with rob from iowa for that one like look we know he's a placeholder he been here before but the way you flipped it i you gave me something to think about i i think you could really argue it either way like i never know la night has had big moments before and when the big moments happened you know it wasn't amazing it didn't get to the next level But guess what?

47:46You fast forward six months later, he's back there again. But like, here's the thing. Is LA Knight going to get this incredible match with just the way Penta got? Like how many? Yes. This is what we're going to chew on in the next hour. And we'll talk to you guys about it. 877-344-4893. Call us now. Another hour of GP Live right here on WWE Radio. When over 10 ,000 pounds of beef comes roaring at you, it can mean only one thing. The wrestling album with Hulk Hogan's theme, A Real American, Hillbilly Jim's, don't go messing with a country boy, don't mess with a country boy. Plus performances by Roddy Piper, Nikolai Volkov, Captain Lou, Jimmy Hart, mean Gene, and the Junkyard Dog.

48:33Grab a copy of the wrestling album on Epic Records and Tapes, available at your record store. We have a few important issues to get to. We spent that whole first hour doing something crazy on this show. We talked about professional wrestling the entire time. Unbelievable. I don't think we've ever done that. I don't think we have ever done that. And it just shows the great respect that I have for Kelly as a producer who said, hey, I had some ideas for the show. Basically, let me translate what her production meeting was. Hey, I have some ideas for the show. Maybe talk wrestling. That was basically what it was.

49:05And I said, you know what? That's a great idea. And I enjoyed it. The wrestling is a good topic. I think for this show, wrestling is a good topic for us to focus on. Yeah, we should be talking about wrestling on this show. There's no question. Yeah, I think it's absolutely one of the things we should be talking about. And we do want to talk to you guys more in this hour again. 877-344-4893. We really spent a lot of time on the Roman of it all and the title picture on Raw. I'm very curious to see where we go now that they're back. Zach, it doesn't seem like, if I were guessing, it didn't seem like they traveled 946 to Mexico City.

49:44So I'll be interested to see on Monday what happens with that story. Also, I want to thank our producer, Zach, for not texting me on Sunday when the Eagles beat the Commanders. Now, I will say this. Of all the times for you to do it, it would have been a really good one for me in that I wasn't angry. Like, I was so happy in the end because the commander struggled so much offensively that the fact that it ended up being like a really close competitive game late, I wasn't even that bad a move. I said, you know what? We'll get you next time. I felt okay about it. Well, I'm glad you didn't do it too because that would have been a waste.

50:26We want to catch you at your most miserable and that's when you send the text. That's when you hit the fly equals fly. So, Zach, I'm proud of you. We're not going to wait. It would have been wasted because I would have been like, whatever. Yeah. I wasn't in a horrible mood. Now, if we get spanked by Dave LaGreca's Dallas Cowboys this weekend, that would be something that would upset me. But it's Yom Kippur Sunday night. It is my Jewish day of the year. My most Jewish day. Dip, you fasting? No. what was the last time you fasted the 90s the Clinton administration the Clinton that's pre-bar mitzvah age you didn't even have to fast I'm not a faster I'm not a fasty guy that's not who I am I'm going to ask you a question and there's no judgment here but I want your honest answer if you blow up his Jewish credibility blow it up Random episode of Cheap Heat?

51:33No, it's fine. I did an episode of my friend Dave's Dopey podcast I recorded yesterday, and we were talking about Judaism. He is Jewish in culture only, and we were talking about religious stuff, and I came to the conclusion. I said if you don't take off work and fast on Yom Kippur, I'm only talking religiously. I don't mean culturally. Culturally, there's no – you can be whatever you want. Religiously, if you're an adult and you do not take off and fast on Yom Kippur, you are not Jewish religiously. You're out. That is the baseline. That is the line I draw. like do you fast and kick off of work oh stop get out of here hold on so but what but you're being you're you're responding that way but you don't consider yourself in any way religiously jewish so my point actually works i i i i don't know what do you do if you're not doing that i don't know i i don't know i i say it's a christians it's a christian basically skipping Christmas.

52:49They're like, oh, Christmas happened? Oh, cool. I went to the mall. It's our biggest, it's the number one holiday. To me, Hanukkah's the number one holiday. Oh my God, stop. Hanukkah's the Christmas competitor. It's one of the, by the way, you thought Penta didn't have a chance against Roman Reigns. Put Hanukkah in there with Christmas. They're doing the job every time. We know that Hanukkah jobs to Christmas, but you're saying that Yom Kippur does not job to Christmas? Of course it does, but in terms of like, just from my standpoint. You're saying that's the baseline for being religious. In any capacity, the baseline is fasting and taking off on Yom Kippur.

53:34That's it. Now, that doesn't mean, again, you're going to a Seder, you're doing Hanukkah. I go to the break, the fast, the break fast. by the way i don't fast and then i'm going oh my god i forgot i'm going to a big break fast first time ever ever i we've talked about this you always go to these hollywood break fast yes i'm going to an east coast hollywood breakfast i've never done this before yeah it's hollywood yeah oh yeah you know you know you know the person i'm talking about i'm not gonna say i won't say who he is a many of you won't know who he is but he's an egot i'm going to an EGOT's house for breakfast.

54:14But you narrowed it down, though. I narrowed it down. There's like seven EGOTs. You're like, all right, it's not the Puerto Rican. He's an EGOT. It's not the other Puerto Rican. It's not the black lady. It could be Whoopi Goldberg. It could be Whoopi Goldberg. Whoopi's an EGOT? Yes. Man, I risk. I've been spending a lot of time in Florida the last couple of weeks. I think you were going to say with Whoopi. No. And I got to tell you, and my mother watches The View every day. Yeah. I got to tell you, Whoopi Goldberg is fantastic. Oh, she's found her lane for sure. And I would say this. She is the greatest Whoopi of all time.

54:52There is no other better Whoopi. What about Cushion? Cushion's a great Whoopi. It goes Whoopi Goldberg, then Whoopi Cushion. That's it. That's it. Speaking of which, on a serious note, big F up by us. When we were counting all the great Lees, we didn't say Brody. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Brody Lee. Definitely on the – Yeah, great. But remember, he wasn't Brody Lee in our WWE consciousness, so that's the only reason it slipped my mind, but all-time great. And by the way, little Brody Lee, Brody Lee Jr., also one of the great – I love that kid, by the way. I love that. That guy – I'm going to tell you something, Dip, right now.

55:36I think you already know this. little Brodie Lee is going to be a thing dude I know I know SGG have you met this kid never I have he here's what I love about Brodie Lee he's a great guy he is first of all I've heard that the work he's doing from everyone I've heard from he's like becoming a great wrestler already right but when you run into him he his his shake your hand have a conversation like he's he's unbelievable he's going to make his dad is going to look down very proudly at what this kid does i guarantee you broderley jr that is a future world champion dude that is a special and what is he 14 but i already see it it's already coming does it stop at world champion do you think like Is he a future executive?

56:27Listen, now you're going too far. SGG, I thought world champion was a great place to go. You said his level of shake your hand and look you in the eye and catch you up. That's not necessarily world champion stuff right there. That's like, that's above and beyond. World champion is a little bar for that. I can't stop thinking about what break the fast you might be going to. And then I thought to myself. I think it's Whoopi Goldberg. Did Lin-Manuel Miranda finally convert to Judaism? That was my first thought. He should. We'd love to take him. I mean, right? We'd take him. At this moment in time, are you kidding me?

57:04I mean, we would love to take him. I said we'd desperately take him. Yeah, I will. We're desperate for Liv. We are. There are so many people that I would trade to get him. The problem is I don't think the Puerto Ricans are taking what I have to offer. Because what I'm offering, they're going to go, what the hell are we doing with that? I mean, we would have to trade a lot of people. Well, you'd have to throw in someone good. Like, I can't just get rid of all of, as Michael K would say, I can't just get rid of all my flotsam and jetsam, okay? I got to give you something good. So, like, Dip, who are we willing to trade to get a Lin Miranda that we think is good but we're willing to part with?

57:44That's what you have to think about. Huh. I'll come up with somebody. All right. Work on that for a moment. Let's talk a little bit about SmackDown. We obviously talked about the title change. I teased. Wait, I teased. Actually, you teased a question, Dip, on the way out, and you didn't answer it. Yes. I want to talk about that. Will LA Knight get this big Penta-esque Roman match where it's like, will he or won't he, or how many near misses will there be? I don't think he should. And it has nothing to do with my thoughts on LA Knight. Do you think he'll get as much as Jacob got in Jacob's matches with Roman.

58:23But that's what I'm saying. It's like Jacob got it. Then Penta got it. Now LA Knight's going to get it. It's like Roman. How many people can almost beat Roman? What you're saying is, respectfully to LA Knight, cool, you're getting your title shot. Nice story, bro. You should be one, two, three in the middle of the ring after a spear. Good night, good luck. It doesn't have to be instantly, and I don't think it should be a squash. I was going to say, it sounds like you're advocating to squash LA Knight. I'm not. I'm not advocating because I think that they have done a great job making LA Knight feel like a top of the card-ish guy over the last year, like we talked about earlier.

59:01But I don't think we could just over and over have these big feeling matches where there's a lot of false finishes. And you know what I'm saying? I just don't think you can keep going with that. That's a pet peeve of mine. the how many times can we make it look like it's going to happen? I mean, let's not forget, guys. Yes, I'm the guy who says I'm okay with Roman losing every blue moon, but I'm also not okay with him having to battle every single time. He's one of the most dominant stars of all time. Sometimes he just beats your ass and has a beer. That's the Roman Reigns experience, though. That's how all his matches have gone.

59:42When the bell rings, as dominant as we perceive him, he gets his ass beat. He gets his ass beat almost every time by everybody. Like it's been Sami Zayn. I remember there was some talk about, would Roman take a Destroyer? That was the big talking point going into the, is Roman going to take a Destroyer? And I'm like, have you seen a Roman Reigns match? He takes everybody's big move and then kicks out at 2.99. But the point is, yes, he was going to take a Destroyer. He let Kevin Owens throw his ass in the air for a pop-up powerbomb. Mind you, Kevin Owens had been doing the stunner for years up to that point.

1:00:19busted out the pop-up powerbomb, and Roman's big ass went up in the air because, yeah, he's going to take everybody's big move. That's the Roman Reigns experience, right? You're going to kick his ass. He's going to sell. You're going to look like you got him. He's going to kick out a 299, and then he's going to win the match. By the way, you know who that reminds me of? More athletic Hulk Hogan. The only difference is Roman could take everything really well. Hogan had limitations. Wait, although did we ever see Hogan take a Destroyer? No. A Canadian Destroyer? You think, or Mexican Destroyer, depending where you are.

1:01:00He took a 450 from Billy Kittle, right? That match didn't exist then. I mean, that move didn't exist then. you don't think there was a destroyer when and you think okay if if the destroyer had existed you think in japan hogan could have taken the destroyer no no i don't think so it's hard to picture him doing that jump i don't know that i can what's the most athletic what's the most athletic move hogan ever took that's a great it's like a choke slam it's because has did he ever get powerbombed? I can't envision the whole game powerbombed. God, this is such a great question. Thank you. This is why I'm one of the great journalists in wrestling history.

1:01:40I love this question. Can we take one more second on this? Yeah, yeah. Let's take a moment. Is it a tombstone? It might be. I could take a tombstone. Oh, you think? Yeah. I'll just sit there and tuck my neck and wait for him to tell me it's over and pray. The tombstone part, that's on Undertaker. That's not on Hogan. Yeah, you're right. He's got to safely hold you and get you up. So the question is, what did he ever take that was actually challenging to take? Because nothing. And the answer is nothing. He had a physically – listen, I will argue – I will argue in some ways he's underrated athletic, but still he's got an awkward body type.

1:02:27He couldn't do that much. so much of these moves depend on you just like allowing the other person to take care of you and that's the it's not that he couldn't do that much is that he didn't have never gonna be that vulnerable to be like all right and then you're gonna powerbomb me i think sid gave him a powerbomb did sid give him a powerbomb ask ask chad gpt was sid in 1992 was sid powerbombing people? I don't think so. Yeah, that was his move. In 92? Yes. In 96? No. I've learned this about Dip. When he gets this confident and in this particular era, don't play yourself. He's going to be right.

1:03:13Let's see. I'm telling you, this is early 90s psycho Sid talk. This is right up Dip's alley. This is his whole life. Sid Justice? Come on. This is Sid Justice. I think he could have powerbombed him. Sid is on, Sid is, Sid, as you know, but honestly, what other finishes were there? I mean, Hogan only lost to so many people. So there aren't that many moves in that era for him to even take. Hogan took a powerbomb from Sid. I believe this is out of WrestleMania. Wow, there you go. I told you. It's one of the worst cells on a powerbomb I've ever seen, but he took the powerbomb. I love Hogan's cells.

1:03:52And by the way, does he look, what does he look, does he look terrified up there? well it happens so quick you don't even get a get a feel for like it's it's real quick um but yeah it wasn't it wasn't good it wasn't it wasn't executed well but we weren't grading his execution we were grading his willingness to be in that position and he did it i'm telling you he had an awkward like hogan had a lot of weight on him too like that's a definitely i don't think hogan's weight was ever a lie. I think he was actually it might be the only truth in Hulk Hogan. I think he legit weighed right around 300 on the nose.

1:04:27I think that's pretty legit. What is, I have to know what crazy other moves there were at that time. Trying to go through manias. I just don't think there were that much. Anyways, the point we were making was this is the era Roman is in. He's going to give you, you know, like to make the Hogan reference, Roman could have a Killer Khan match. For a moment, you think Killer Khan is... Wait, is Killer Khan about to beat Hulk Hogan on a random set? Nope, he's not. No, there's a caller that wants to talk about Hogan, the Hogan moves. Someone has a thought? Yeah. All right, let's go to Rodrigo in Connecticut.

1:05:10Go ahead, Rodrigo, what do you got? Hey, fellas, what's going on? What's going on? So Hulk didn't take this move, but the landing is kind of the same. He suplexed the big boss man off the big blue cage, at least at house shows. Yes, that's interesting. I'm not going to count that. Yeah, that's not the same thing at all. He's not, but he's talking about the most athletic things that Hogan's done. Oh, sure.

1:05:41That's in the most athletic. No, I'm telling you guys, the most athletic thing Hogan did that never gets talked about, in fact, it was always used as practically an insult, is the leg drop. Yeah, because of the effect it has on your lower back. And not only that, freeze frame the height in his prime, and now you imagine yourself bouncing off a rope and just jumping up that high and flattening out your body. That's some still athletic. That's like in sports, you know, how they always love to say, like, the scrappy white player isn't athletic. And I'm like, they're in the NFL, guys. Right. They're athletic.

1:06:21Okay? Fair. That's one of those moves. So let's go to SmackDown for a second. Randy Orton cuts a promo last Friday. and SGG, I feel like I'm in this warp that I can't escape, this loop with Randy and Cody. And the only thing I'm hanging on from that promo is the fact that Randy emphasized Cody being a good guy. And the emphasis on him being a good guy, SGG, the only thing truly interesting I could take from that is makes me feel like an idiot because it's me here chasing the dream of Cody turning. And I'm starting to feel like a fool. I'm going to be honest with you. I mean, you may have to feel like a fool for other reasons in life, but this could be classic misdirection, right?

1:07:17It could be just like that they're setting up for something else because wrestling is part illusion. and that's how these magicians keep their tricks safe they they misdirect they get you to pay attention to one thing that is not necessarily the thing so do you think it's gonna happen or nah i think it's gonna happen too that's why i so i didn't go too hard on you because i might end up being foolish right along with you for the same reasons that you are eventually going to be called foolish on this but i think it's going to happen i don't think i'm sorry greg I don't think it's off the table.

1:07:54I don't think it's going to happen. I think it only happens until it absolutely needs to happen and it is forced to happen by the crowd. If the crowd starts booing in around every turn and there's absolutely no choice, then they'll do it. But they're not going to do it on their own. That's what I think. Why? Why do we have to make this so challenging? Yeah. I think there's other factors at play. I would love a situation where the crowd doesn't hijack and force their hand and we just get like a well thought out Cody heel something. I don't think I just you know what I want to do. I want to die as air black.

1:08:35I want to change the music. All of it. I don't think we're ever getting that ever. That's what I mean, that's what we'd really love to see. But I like the true, you know, the true. You don't think we're getting the true, true Cody heel turn. I'd like to see him go from Alex Wright to Berlin. That's what I'm looking for. I just said to – Deep cut. Yeah, super. I just said to – This is a wrestling show. Don't forget. This is a wrestling show. We do wrestling. I just said to SGG last week, Dip. I don't know if you saw this. Did you see Cena admitted the heel run wasn't good? Yes. and I told SGG I was insulted well you know how I felt about that no no but I was insulted the reason I was insulted is I love Cena I truly do you can't just say the heel turn was bad but don't worry I tried my best no you should be disappointed it was not good it was a black mark which should have been amazing and it could have been amazing and I'm not satisfied with just my bad I tried my best though this isn't amateur wrestling You're not a 12-year-old in a gymnasium.

1:09:50You're the greatest of all time, for Christ's sake. Let's go to – this is why I love doing a wrestling show. Of course, we have three phone calls all about Hogan's move. Good. We've asked the world, and they want to know. It's a good subject. It was genius to bring that up. Thank you. Milan. Am I saying that right? I can't read. My glasses aren't on. In Sacramento. Hey, guys. It's Milan. Milan. Thank you. Milan. What up? Milan. That's interesting. Hey, hey, guys. First, I want to say it's lovely to hear Dipp's voice back on the pod. Aw. Yeah. Thank you, Mullen. I appreciate that, brother. All right, guys.

1:10:25The worst move Hogan ever took has got to be Earthquake's Earthquake. Look at Earthquake's body habitus. There's no protecting you when you take that. He put Hogan in the hospital. He had us writing letters as kids. He had my dad mad at me for writing letters for something that my dad said was fake. So it's got to be Earthquake Earthquake. It's so funny. In the earthquake, it's either his earthquake looked amazing or you just – he was so careful with his legs. That's right. It was – the funny thing is the earthquake when it was normally done to me even as a kid, I remember thinking this is stupid.

1:11:02Yeah. Yeah. There was one in particular that was really bad. person yeah there's one in particular that was really bad that he did to hogan that just barely touched him and then hogan oversold it and i remember as a kid thinking like

1:11:19well you know why by the way you know why he was careful you know hogan was like hey brother hey brother why don't i know that earthquake we're gonna go ahead and keep that nice and light nice and light brother we're not working snug today i'm pretty sure there was like a bonsai drop too that he took that was the same kind of vibe. People were very careful not to sit on Hulk Hogan's chest. He was like, hey, Yoko, let's be nice and easy with that Bonze drop, brother. I'm going to make one non-sequitur comment. Hold on. Dip wants to talk, folks. As per usual. By the way, Dip, you know what your t-shirt's going to be?

1:12:01You know how Brock's t-shirt is, here comes the pain? Remember the here comes the pain shirt? here comes the words dip likes to let you know before he talks here comes the words alright what do you got I want to interview I want you to talk to JD McDonough at some point and see how he really feels about being made fun of for his large head I gotta tell you I feel bad for him I feel like he's getting bullied he is being bullied is his head that big it's a large head like when I I think I probably have seen JD McDonough up close the most of us here. I never notice his head. Because he has a smaller body.

1:12:40His arms, his head in proportion to the rest of his body is quite large. But they really have been... Everybody else is bullying him, didn't they? I would never say it unless they said it, but they said it. By the way, listen to Kelly Murphy. This is just awful. Kelly says on TV it looks like he's wearing the concussion helmet. Oh, God. Kelly, you're an animal. Kelly, come on. I really don't notice it that... Whoops. You said that was meant to be internal. I'm sorry. My bad. My bad, Kale Bell. It's out here for the people. He's obviously good with it, okay? He must be because it's... I got to tell you, it feels quite mean.

1:13:21It feels very Vince-era, doesn't it? Yes. It feels like people were like, hey, I don't know if we should talk about his head all the time. And Vince's like, god damn, his head is huge. What else are we going to talk about? like I it's you're right it's in there quite a bit they have like whole you know characters based around it by the way let me ask you something last week on Smackdown when Yachty was quote unquote beat up by Baron Corbin I was trying to imagine what happened right before because they did one of those deals where you don't have to see anything happen he just comes dragging Yachty out yeah do you think literally Yachty's like hold on one second and just lays down on the ground?

1:14:04I suspect that's exactly what happened. Hold on, I'm laying down. Here we go. And action. I love Lil Yachty. I don't know what to tell you about this. I'm loving Lil Yachty. By the way, I saw Lil Yachty did Chris Van Vliet this week. I was bummed out that I didn't get active about really trying to get him on the show. I can't believe CBV got him. but he put me over let's just have him on the show we should have him on this show and not an interview let's just have him be part of the show one week alright, well that's all I really ever wanted was him to just talk about wrestling let's just have him as the fourth person on the show but most importantly he put me over for helping get him back into WWE so that's all we care about I remember he did Open Late sorry?

1:14:57was it Open Late? he did open late he did some wrestling talk on that show we did we had wrestling talk back then there was some wrestling talk on that show now I was told I didn't hear the CVV interview but I was told he said something along the lines of like I brought him to a show or something I have no memory of that being the case but I will take whatever Yadi said I know that my influence and general wrestling encouragement was part of his getting fully back into it again but I don't remember you know exactly what it looked like remember though we have that thing what was it probably already three years ago when we taped that show where me and him watched a show together in person in Atlanta like three years ago and we were like miked up together yeah great content it really was I miss it but he's done a I mean he's just been awesome there's just no way around it like Yachty has become as good as a quote-unquote guest as you could have.

1:16:02Dip, we need to take a break, and we want to talk more with the people about what they think could happen with the Randy and Cody of it all. Will we actually get the Cody heel turner? Am I an idiot? And also, do you guys agree with my mild gripe from the title change last week in the Sammy match? We'll get to that as well. 877-344-4893. Dips business class experience I was back in the MRI tube so much to do on this Friday on GP Live on WWE Radio

1:16:54WrestleMania 2. All this and much more in the official World Wrestling Federation magazine. Dipperstein is back, baby. Back with a vengeance, but we've lost SGG. He had work or something or other, a vacation. You never know. It's hard to say. Now, speaking of which, Dipp, you recently traveled. You went all the way across the pond. Yes. And there are a couple of big headlines here. Number one, you took a business class trip to Europe. Yes, first class. First class. Were there two separate? Was there first and business? No. Okay, so same thing. Perfect. And I know that's a thing they just make up wherever.

1:17:38Oh, this one's first. This one's business. Whatever. It's one of the things. They make it up as they go. And number two, you had a very strong feeling about a new place that you visited. So first things first, give us your – the thing about DIP is, We often talk about class when flying because Dip doesn't care about what class he's in. And I have become obsessed with needing to fly in something better than coach because I didn't do it until I was 40 years old during the pandemic. And now I can't go back. But we all often talk about how stupid and overpriced it is and all the things. Dip, what were your thoughts?

1:18:17I mean, I'm going to tell you straight up. The ticket was$5 ,000. Okay. That's how much. round trip$5 ,000. Good Lord. Which is absurd. That's a car. It's, it's, it's a disgusting amount of money. Disgusting. There is nothing they could do in that little pod for you. That would equal something that would be worth$5 ,000. I'll also tell you the lay flat thing for United. I mean, at the end of the day, you're not, It's not like a comfortable, loungy seat. It's still an airplane. It's more comfortable, but it's still an airplane seat. At the end of the day, you're not laying in a bed in the business.

1:19:05You are not. I've never done United International business class, I don't believe. Yeah. Was the food repulsive? Of course. that to me the biggest issue I have is is that for the prices they are charging for first class particularly across the country and then they still feed you slop oh yeah you're being fed slop it's absolutely like Natalie was telling me Natalie who does Shake Shack Delta apparently first class does Shake Shack like now we're having a conversation And they present it as if it's chef-inspired. It's nonsense. I mean, I don't know. I don't like that. I don't know. You might as well give us a happy meal and call it a day.

1:20:01Like, why are you bothering with the fake fancy food that's crap? Just say, we have Jersey Mike subs for everyone. At least I could enjoy that. Because I don't know. Psychologically, people feel like something was cooked for them. But it wasn't. It was heated up. And by the way, we're talking like total douchebags right now. And we're very grateful to be to to have the very good as you can tell, as you can tell. Very grateful. However, well, can't both things be true that I'm grateful to be in a place where occasionally I can pay a dumb amount of money for an upgrade. And also, I'm still realistic and normal enough to go.

1:20:39What the fuck did I just pay for? I will tell you the one redeeming quality was the face mist. Oh, you enjoyed the face mist? I'm misting the whole time. I'm like the great mood. I have a question. What do you do? What is your procedure with your hot towel? I don't do hot towels. By the way, I don't do hot towels anywhere. Wow. Why the hell would I want to touch a scolding hot towel? There's no soap once I'm making my hands clean. It's just a scalding hot wet towel that was a million people have touched. Is this the moment when I tell you that the word isn't scalding? Scalding. Scalding. Scalding.

1:21:23Don't get the towel for God's sake. I'm not a hot towel guy. I am always refusing a hot towel every time. This is big news, and it's a take. I really – I do it just on principle. I take the stupid money. I take it. It's scalding hot. I'm burning my face, and I rub – You put it on the face? Oh, I rub my face with it. You're rubbing your face. I rub – I clean myself with it. You're not cleaning anything. You're rubbing a disgusting schmata that has been washed thousands of times that is soaking wet with scalding hot water. Scalding? Scalding. And by the way, it's probably tap water. You're probably – it's scalding, scalding tap water all over your bald head.

1:22:22I don't know if anyone out there is enjoying it. I hope my brother is listening so I know one person is enjoying this conversation. The fact that it's a dirty schmata that they're handing you on the plane, it's so true. But let me ask you, even though the price is absolutely insane and it's ridiculous, did you feel a marked difference having the first-class experience all the way from L.A. to the U.K., which is a long frigging flight? yeah i i could have survived in coach though i could have survived survived yeah oh yeah yeah there's a lot of people walking around the whole time on on this on this flight and by the way here's the other thing the bathroom for five thousand dollars is the same bathroom bathroom same bathroom i like a different i couldn't couldn't agree with you more uh no notes now the other big piece of news here that i was very pleased was you who typically when i tell you i'm going someplace just respond what are you going there for whoa what's the deal this guy hits me up out of the blue he texts me and goes kelly you're gonna love this he goes paris is unbelievable what we're coming back here this place is awesome like i what was it first of all what did you expect and what was so pleasing to you about paris i'm also a huge fan but just curious I like the look of the buildings.

1:23:47I like that they care about what the buildings look like. Here in LA, they're just disgusting brown things. The building I work in, a luxury building of the highest order in Los Angeles, the outside of it looks like shit. The inside is beautiful and brand new. Sure. But the outside is just a brown blob. Here you go and you're like, oh my God, this is the most, like, you know. So you're a big architecture guy is what you're saying. I would say I'm a big architecture guy. That's what I liked. And by the way, it's clean galore. Here in Los Angeles, there's garbage everywhere. You're stepping over garbage to do anything.

1:24:38To throw out garbage, you're stepping over garbage. Did you have a burger while you were out there? Yes, I did. How was it? fantastic yeah they make a hell of a burger yeah i started i almost started smoking cigarettes there by the way you should have they it's it's they're the healthiest the best cigarettes in the business are right in paris i don't know how i feel about all the take all the uh the the the seating at restaurants facing the street that i don't get they like facing the street why are they facing the street who wants to see the street it's funny the tables are lined up like stadium style Just face it.

1:25:12Let's just watch the street together. It's very strange. Very, very strange. That part is different. But I'm truly glad you enjoyed it. Paris. Everyone smoking cigarettes. Everyone. Yeah, they love Paris. They love smoking cigarettes. What is it about these people that love cigarettes? Have they gotten the memo? Not great. By the way, though, it's funny, too. I looked it up. They still do have, like, high cancer rates and all those things in Europe. but their overall health is just better because, by the way, the text from, can I read your text, Zach, please? That is the most Philly trash, perfect response.

1:25:51He just wrote, Dip says, what is it with them and the cigarettes? And Zach just writes, try one and you'll get it. Spoken like the true Philadelphia heathen that you are. But he's not wrong. But it's the overall health is better because their food is not filled with garbage. They walk everywhere. They know how to rest and take a break every once in a while. They're going to sleep. Like they're just living a better life. They are living a better. You want to know why the fans are having so much fun in these other countries? It's because everyone else knows how to live but us. We don't know how to live.

1:26:30These people are having a good time. You walk around Paris for an hour and you get this notion. I mean, there's clearly, there's people having a good time there. Yes. I'm sensing a good time in these places. They don't view a Tuesday. We in America, we view Tuesday as just get through Tuesday. I just need to get through Tuesday and get through Wednesday. Thursday is manageable. Oh, and I live for the weekend. Every day for them is just another day to have fun. Oh, I'll go out to dinner tonight. I'll go do this. They just live life and have fun. I know. I'm walking around in the middle of the day in London, and I'm with my business partner, and we're like, you know, look at that bar.

1:27:13There's people in that bar, and they're just talking to each other and having a great time. I've never seen that in L.A. in the middle of the day, ever. No. The only person who would be at a bar in L.A. on a Monday has got bigger problems, okay? It's not a normal thing to do socially in America. Yeah, it's like you see somebody at the bar in the middle of the day on a Monday or Tuesday in LA. You're like, that guy's got issues. In London, it's like, let's go join those people. Well, of course they're at the bar because the football match starts in two hours. They got to get there early. It's Monday.

1:27:47I mean, everyone's taking off work to watch Arsenal. It's crazy. They're living a better life. They're living a better life. Yeah, that's the big takeaway. And when I went to Rome, you're looking around at how old everything is. You're just like, this is cool. Like, this is a real city. this is what do we have is is crap we've been around for five minutes let me tell you i saw the louvre they i didn't go in the louvre but i saw the outside of the louvre no buildings like that in los angeles no there's no like oh my god although i gotta tell you once you get it once you see the mona lisa you go really that's it everyone's got the same story with the mona lisa it's tiny yeah everyone's got the same mona lisa but can i tell you i still did pop for it in person and you still pop.

1:28:27You know what I say? You know what I say? Take it down. Enough is enough. Put it in storage. Nobody needs to see it anymore. Everyone who's seen it, everyone who needs to see it has seen it. It's tiny. It's taking up too much space. Get rid of it. It's such a great point. By the way, if I were Elon Musk or one of these rich assholes, I would literally just a stunt be like, what do you want for the Mona Lisa? Yeah. I'm going to put it in my garage. I'm going to put the Mona Lisa right next to all my Sam Evans and call it a day. Yeah, exactly. No, that Hogan Andre behind you right now? Yeah. Mona Lisa.

1:29:01There's a perfect space for the Mona Lisa right next to you. Yeah, right there. I'm going to put the Mona Lisa right to the left of the Hogan Andre. Did you see, speaking of international shows, I know you didn't watch everything this week. On Raw, there was a little note that I found very interesting. that said the note said uh wwe uh and netflix have worked out a deal to make netflix the exclusive home for wwe in japan and i found that interesting because i think we are on our way to some sort of major japan event and i find that i think that would be for all the excitement we're talking about doing shows in different places.

1:29:47I mean, how overdue are we for like a major PLE in Tokyo, dude? Hell yeah. Massive. That would be enormous. That would be. Now we are having a frigging conversation. By the way, never been there either. That would be a fun trip. Let me, I'm telling you, Dip, if you liked Paris, I told you Paris was great. I have told you for years. Tokyo is bed, bath, and beyond. You will go. you'll say I think I'm not I think I'm not going to go back I think I felt that way about Paris I think you'll go I don't understand what anyone's saying and I don't care I'm staying why do I want to hear what anyone's saying here's the craziest thing about Tokyo wait for this there's no crime there's no crime Paris felt that way too I know there's crime in Europe obviously but I felt very safe in Paris, extremely safe.

1:30:44Yeah, relative to here, I'm sure you did. But in Japan, Dip, I'm talking about like, if you're there visiting, you don't have to worry about anyone. Like, oh, someone went out and got too drunk. Don't worry. A Samaritan will help get them in a car and get them home because these people are civilized. They're not animals like we are. There is a group in Paris of good Samaritans. I heard about this, yes. Who go around to the homeless people and help them get through their day. And help them with shelter if they need it or put them in a place that's comfortable. I mean, can you imagine the notion of anything relating to – any semblance of that in this country?

1:31:21And not to get political on our show, but how is that not a thing? If you're supposed to be a civilized nation, you have citizens just out on the street and no one – we're like, oh, they'll figure it out. Obviously not. Obviously not. You know how I know? They're living on the street. So they need help figuring it out. Guys, this was a lot of fun. If you're catching us at the end of the show, go ahead and rewind or catch the podcast later. Had a great time in hour one, really digging in to where we're at with all of the Roman Reigns, LA Knight, Royce Keys of it all. And then tonight, I think, Dip, give me a quick prediction.

1:32:02What do you think the story with Sami Zayn is moving forward as champion? Do you have any idea? Do you think he ends up having a little bit of faction? Like, what do we do to keep this interesting now that Sammy, in theory, has kind of gotten his justice? I think Sammy holds it to crown jewel. I really do. I think he holds it. And I think, you know, I don't know. I think it's a very good question. It's hard for me to answer the question on the spot. Well, my gripe, as I've teased all day and not talked about, was that I felt that even though, you know, there'd been a, you know, Gargano had his match with Punk.

1:32:36I thought Gargano and Candice LeRae being sort of the difference makers in the title match felt like a little bit tenuous to me. But now I wonder, is there a little bit of a faction or when Gargano got taken out in that match and looked like he went back to his knocked out mannequin position, is that permanent? Is he back in that spot? So, we'll see. I just hope there's a twist now to keep us interested because Sami chasing with the desperation for justice for Sami, it changes significantly with the title. So we will tune in and be locked in for that tonight. We didn't even get to talk about how great Omos was at AAA plus the El Grande Americano match.

1:33:20So much is happening in pro wrestling. Have a great weekend. Stay mage and enjoy yourself.