Cena’s Last Run Needs Rock & Cody

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out to that guy, you know. The Mage's League. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. King of Kings. 24th championship. A thousand percent confirmed. Not Mage. Stay Mage and enjoy yourself.

0:27it's cheap heat with peter rosenberg featuring stat guy greg and dip oh indeed it is radio voice man it is friday september 26th or saturday the 27th or sunday the 28th depending on when you're hearing us but right now uh it is time for cheap heat live on pro wrestling nation 24 7 Sirius XM channel 156 Peter Rosenberg here in New York City Stack Eye Greg suited and booted and ready for lawyer action in Philadelphia How are you? I'm doing great and yeah sometimes you got to pull a reverse Superman sometimes you got to step into that phone booth and come out with a shirt and tie and get to work so today was one of those days I can only picture what the Clark Kent outfit was before the suit it was probably a tank top of some sort you can only imagine and then coming to us from a slightly turned seat location in dipper lago to have his beautiful andre hogan art behind him it's 38 to 35 dipperstein hey dip how are you i'm okay i'm all right today how are you i did change the location i i my mother is here visiting a dipper lago for a few days and she goes why don't you show the people you're painting why don't you show people you're hulking andre and i said you know what you're absolutely right i don't know why I don't show people the Hulk and entree.

1:50It's a gorgeous piece of art. It's a gorgeous piece of art, and it only has a light glare, but nothing really for me to complain about. Certainly better than the look of just your repug coffee collection in the background, where you walk off and go make your donut-flavored Focaccia, this or that coffee crap that you like to make. This is a view. As we speak, I'm drinking out of a Latte Larry's cup, and I'm drinking, I think, a Nutty Buddy or a nutty caramel something bullshit blah blah blah coffee to start the day. The bullshit blah blah blah of the sench. If Dip adjusted his camera just right, though, that might give him like a halo effect.

2:30It's a great point, and it's a great point by you. And listen, I'm no coffee snob, but compared to Dip, I'm like Seth Rollins. I'm like the coffee man of the sench. I own a coffee shop in Iowa compared to Dip. that's how much this man doesn't care about his coffee now by the way big shout out speaking of coffee let me get a cheap plug in big shout out to uh zabars they're doing something for for national coffee day and they sent natalie and i this beautiful zabars bag with like treats in it as well as our own personally made um pour over coffee grounds mine i got to get it and show it After the break, I'm going to show it to you.

3:15Mine is called Rosenberg's Mage Brew, I believe. What? I'm going to show it to you. Has my picture on the front. Natalie's Miss Hattons. I forget what Miss Hattons is and has her picture on it. Did they throw anything for New Year's too? Shana Tova, by the way, gentlemen. Oh, thank you very much. Shana Tova to all who celebrate. Happy Jewish New Year. Or as I accidentally said on ESPN the other day, happy Newish Jew Year. That did happen. Oh, my God. Peter, please mute your thing. I'm hearing many, many Peters. Oh, sorry about that. So that's a confusing thing. The New Year, Jew Year is very – I have to admit I have a bit of a – I have a very trolly quality.

4:01And it's probably not appropriate anymore given the state of the world these days being so intense. But I have always had this thing of like I like making – Deb, you probably do this. I know that you do this too. In fact, you do it too much. Dip does it with waiters he's never met in his life. I do it with people I know, but I have a tendency to like to make Jewish jokes around all Gentile co-hosts so no one knows quite how to react. And they're just like, ah. I never go too far with it, though. But I just – Just enough. It's a very good point. My dry cleaner said to me, Happy New Year yesterday.

4:43I'm getting the full treatment at the dry cleaner, and now I'm just – I'm butting in line. I'm getting the discount. I walk in there. It's like my bar mitzvah every day at the dry cleaner. Are you – you're at the point where it's like – you're like Larry where there's no ticket? There's no ticket. Unfortunately, what happens to Larry doesn't happen to me every time he goes to the dry cleaner. You're not getting hit on by a hot Israeli woman who owns the place? No. Three old men. You need to drop in a dip. Yeah, you need to drop. We need to re-up. Oh, so by the way, while we're at the top of the show, before I forget, because I'm always trying to tell people about the Patreon, but I'm not able to incentivize people to go to the Patreon.

5:24I need to tell everyone we are dropping an episode today that people are going to be very excited about. It is Dip and myself driving around Los Angeles in his giant automobile looking for where we're going to have dinner, which ended up being my childhood haunts from the Maryland, D.C. Maryland area that now only, I believe, lives on the West Coast. Shakey's Pizza. and so if you want to hear what it sounds like when Peter and Dip are just driving around looking for a Shakey's by LAX and then the live time experience ordering tasting the Shakey's it's all in there if that's what you pay for on Patreon ladies and gentlemen cheap eat live on Patreon about almost 40 minutes of just two Jews wandering Los Angeles looking for pizza it happened a couple days ago.

6:17I got to tell you, by the way, Dip, you know, I'm I cut it close much closer than Dip does when it comes to flights. So Dip is the one dropping me off, but I'm the one who has a flight to make. So like, as you'll hear in the episode, I'm saying, oh, I think we have time and Dip's like, oh, I don't know, blah, blah, blah. I ended up the plant Dip dropped me off at 720 ish, 725 for a flight that was boarding at 750. dip. This JetBlue Terminal 5, I don't know what's going on at Terminal 5. No, no, hear me. You don't know where I'm going. I don't know what's going on at Terminal 5 on a Wednesday night for 8.30 flights.

7:03I walk in. It was like I was in Burbank. I just walk to the front. I look at the guy. I'm like, is everything all right? He's like, oh, we cleared it out for you, buddy. I gave him my passport. I walk through. I left your car. and was standing in front of the boarding in like seven minutes. It was fantastic. That's never happened to me. I can't. It takes me much longer than anyone else because I refuse to, unless absolutely necessary, to do the boarding pass on my cell phone. I have to have a paper boarding pass. I don't do. I get it from the little fios. I get it from the people. I hate having to open the phone every time you put the thing.

7:45It doesn't work. then some strange person is grabbing my phone and doing it for me. I don't like that experience in any way. Maybe even worse than the bins. The bins go first. We know how you feel about the bins. There were no bins. By the way, I want to say there were no bins in Terminal 5. It was right on the conveyor belt. Just drop your bag on the belt. Keep it moving. That's it. Drop the bag. Hello. Goodbye. Why can't it just be like that every time? Why do we need the bins? The bins are the thing that's going to solve all the problems. It's the bins. Trust me. I guarantee you that the bins are what's causing most of the delays in the United States in air travel.

8:21You want my hot take? You want my hot take? I believe Trump has an investment in the bin company, okay? The same way he said don't have Tylenol, in the next breath he's going, I got to tell you though, these bins at the airport, you got to keep using them. Use the bins. So it was very easy, very smooth. And I want to say this while I while while SGG and I exchanged a glance that said dip is an 80 year old man for refusing to get the paper ticket. I do prefer like when I when I have to check a bag when I have to check a bag and they give me the option and they say, do you want a ticket? Sure. I like having it.

8:57It's nice to not have to fumble with my phone. It's nice. I'm already at the desk, but I'm at the desk. But go for no reason. No. Yeah. I need the paper in my hand. I don't trust the phone. The phones don't work. The things happen with phones. Can you imagine the level of review we're going to have? The technology is conspiring against it. Over the next couple of weeks, just imagine what you people have to look forward to. You're going to get Rosenberg's review of the WWE charter to Perth, followed by Rosenberg's review of the Qatar Airways business class flight home. I mean, the reviews that are coming.

9:38This is why you listen to the show. We should do some wrestling, though, today as well, guys. And out of the gate, I think it makes sense to just talk about Wrestlepalooza, at least briefly, even though we're now nearly a week away. Of course, the biggest controversy, I thought the biggest controversy was going to be John Cena getting essentially an elongated squash from Brock Lesnar. I thought that would be the controversy. I didn't know the Internet's decision on a controversy would be that Andreas Hale's review of Wrestlepalooza was a C. Sometimes you people don't know what to be mad about.

10:20What were people? So Andreas Hale is a writer, by the way, a great guy. All three of us can agree. All three of us can say, Gigi, he's been on our show. We've been on his show. So he's a great guy. Is he still doing the show? I don't think he's still doing the pod, is he? I don't know if he is. I think he's now just full-time. Between the MMA and wrestling at ESPN, Andreas is a busy man. So WWE starts the relationship with ESPN, and everything goes off with the show. We did our preview show, which was a great time. Hope you guys got a chance to watch it. It aired about 70 times between when I did it Friday and when it was like I was back.

11:01So up until a year ago, my afternoon show in New York aired on the Yankees channel, Yes. And now we're not on. And so for the first time since I was on Yes, I had the experience of many people sending me screenshots of televisions at bars where they see me and don't have a clue what I'm talking about. Lots of those pictures were coming to my cell phone. So everything went off. It was cool. then here comes Monday and Andreas reviews the show for ESPN.com and gives the show a C. And he's an average grade for what he thought of the Wrestlepalooza PLE, which is around in the around where I heard a lot of people.

11:40I saw people like dip who will get to who had a higher review of it being there in person. And then I had people who watched it on TV who gave it lower than that. It whatever it is what it is. People like were angry. Like, I thought you have a relationship with ESPN. Why are you giving it a C? Why would you complain? Who would be mad that he, I mean, I would understand people at WWE going, whoa. Besides that, though, why would a regular fan be annoyed that he gave his objective take, SGG? I don't get why the internet could be mad about that. It's the internet, and they were going to be mad either way.

12:22because if Andreas or anybody else from ESPN came out and said the show was a B +, A-, and it was like a glowing review, then it would be a flood of criticism and anger and hate the other way. And just like, oh, we can't trust them. WWE told them what to say. They're in the pocket. Obviously, they were going to do this. So it's a no-win situation for ESPN as far as reviewing the pay-per-views. But shout out to him for giving what he what is his honest opinion on the show and then slapping that C grade on it. I wouldn't have gone with the C, but that's fine. My opinion and his opinion don't have to align because at the end of the day, that's what it is.

13:04That's what it is. It was his review of the show from his seat. And and it was relaying his taste and his opinions. And he gave it a C. Go ahead, Deb. I was just I was just going to say if you were in that crowd and you thought that the show was a C I think you're out of your mind I got to tell you I was saying this to Peter when I was uh when by the way Andreas was not in that crowd he watched that show from home in Las Vegas I know that I know he didn't drop right no I understand but but but if if you if you are going to a WWE show these days and you're and you're watching live it's the obviously and I'm stating the obvious the experience between viewing one of these shows live and viewing them on television are completely different and the experience does not compare obviously if you are going to a show these days and and you're sitting in the crowd you will notice that even if some even if all of these characters that are on tv are so over at this point and are so ingrained in the in the in the zeitgeist of wrestling fans that people are understanding the assignment crowds are coming to the show understanding the assignment better than they have in years i would say more than they ever have in the in the history of wrestling now is the moment where the crowd is understanding the assignment more than they i don't know attitude error would like a word attitude error would like a word with that no because because because i'm telling you like the crowd is so into it that despite if anyone the review of a storyline if if you know that They're, you know, a character is switching face and heel to often whatever.

14:38However anyone feels the crowd is going along with whatever they're supposed to. They're going crazy. So you're saying that made the experience. You're saying that made the in-person experience much better maybe than someone who was just watching on TV. Is that what you're saying? In general, but I'm just saying the crowds these days are more into wrestling than they've ever been. That's how it feels. Well, the live crowds. Got it. That's how I feel. But with regard to Andreas' review, respectfully, that has nothing to do with anything. I say that respectfully. I added respectfully so you know they're respected.

15:12You're right. I wasn't necessarily like – I wasn't necessarily like contributing to that point. I was just making my own point. Something that I would like to add though. Yes, please. Something I would like to add though too. Like whether you were in the crowd or you were watching at home, something that you have to consider is that Triple H in the days leading up to this was like, you know, we're going to promise a spectacle we're going to promise surprises and whether you were in the crowd or at home what we got in terms of spectacle was standard issue and what we got in terms of surprises was non-existent so that also does have to factor in when you're reviewing the show these undelivered promises that really is a self-inflicted wound at that point because that seemed to be the biggest thing people had that was the biggest great people had i get that hey the surprise was pat mcafee in indianapolis which was already announced that's not that That didn't register a surprise.

16:05What surprises now at this point are people thinking are going to happen? Like, what are the surprises? Jericho? You know, Edge coming back, which has been debunked. I think generally just like returns or shock results. Or no, by the way, that can even just be turns. That could have been Jey Uso super kicking Jimmy Uso. There's a lot of things. that could have been someone joining the vision at the end of the show. There's a lot of things I think that the crowd goes nuts for that don't require sort of an impossible return. I would push back. I think there's a lot of room there, and the show did not have that.

16:47The biggest surprise on the show, and again, I thought it was a solid show. I'd probably go above a C, maybe a B-, right? I would say the biggest surprise on the show was that John Cena was beaten from pillar to post, and that's what we should get into next. And that was a surprise. That's only a surprise if you don't listen to Cheat Heat because that's a great point. Yeah, you did. You did. Did you dipster Domus did? He doesn't remember that. But dips, you can see in his eyes. He has no idea. He said that. But dipster Domus did predict that. Now, here's the question as we're going to roll into.

17:20Come on. We're going to roll into what's next. And also, speaking of crowds, I have a I have a comment on all out in one of the great wrestling cities in the world. to get to that the people of Toronto may not love. You talk about understanding the assignment. I sort of feel like some folks in the 416 didn't get the memo from AEW, in my opinion. Oh, yeah. What does that mean? You're going to have to wait. You're going to have to wait. We have to wait? We have to wait until after the break? But here's what I want the people to call about right now. 877-344-4893. three what is now I know we've talked about this a lot but that was before Wrestlepalooza what is next for John Cena if you could book the next whatever we're at now guys two months and change given that John Cena just lost the way he did to Brock Lesnar where are you going with John Cena 877-344-4893.

18:23That's the question of the day on this Friday. What do you do with John Cena? Next, we'll get into so much more right here on Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Sugar Daddy, some things never change. Sugar Daddy has the flavor which lasts a lifetime. Cheap Heat Live on this weekend. Last weekend in September, I am off. No, we'll have a show next Friday, and then the following Monday, I'll be off to Perth to see what it's like when you go to literally the furthest place away on planet Earth. SGG, you're a stat guy. Can I go further away than Perth?

19:10You have to go below the ocean. Where would I go? Is there a place? And then explode. Where would I have to go? I don't know. How? from new york i think australia is like it's it's the end it's because you've been to japan and i think it's past japan oh it's no no it's definitely way further than japan what's let's ask google what's the furthest distance in the world from nyc they are saying the fur is in the indian ocean southwest somewhere that you would want to travel though right right exactly okay Oh, my God. The closest large city is Perth, Australia. I am going to the furthest place away on Earth.

19:58I didn't need that. Google. I'm already stressed about leaving the baby. You already knew, though. You knew. Wow. Are you going to go out with Grayson Waller one night? You got to go with Grayson Waller. He's probably having a great time there. Oh, he must be Ove like Grove. Ove like Grove. You got to go. He's a great guy. Well, hold on. is the total count of Aussies right now, Grayson, Rhea, and Bronson Reed? It sounds right. I think so, yeah. Those are three good ones. Three? You know what? And by the way, we have yet to talk about Grayson and the New Day. It's a very random, interesting thing that more than anything jumps off the page because I like that they're finding something for Grayson Waller to do while Austin Theory is not around.

20:47I got to tell you, I love Grayson Waller. Okay? I don't know. I'm ready for them to pull the trigger in a more meaningful way on Grayson Waller. And forgetting my personal feelings towards him, aside, because he's, meaning I love the guy. He's a great guy. He's always been great to me. I think there is something special about him. I've always seen it. I've always seen something about Austin Theory too. I don't know who's, I don't know. I hope people one day see that too. But Grayson Waller to me on TV, he's shredded. He talks, he's an awesome talker. Austin Theory is shredded. Grayson's in good shape.

21:17He's shredded these days. I would give Grayson on another level. I'd give him shredded. Well, I mean, compared to us, SGJ. I like Grayson Waller. By the way, I just want to tell you one thing that Dip said that is complete bullshit. He said removing for a second how he treats me. Not possible. Not possible. By the way, Ronda Rousey could show up and if she treated Dip well, he'd go, I gotta tell you, we have to re-look at her entire run. I know I never enjoyed one thing she did the entire time. I gotta tell you though, he's a great guy. I have a question for Grayson. He stood outside of Wally Mania with us and that was the moment.

22:04We knew he was one of us.

22:08877-344-4893 is the number. What should they? What would you do with John Cena after being just completely destroyed by Brock Lesnar? Many F5s. He came out with the kids. He got completely rocked. How much heat would it have been for Lesnar if he'd F5'd all the children that came out with Cena? Can you imagine? As soon as I saw the kids, I knew it was going to be bad for John Cena. If he had treated those children the way Bundy treated the little people at WrestleMania 3, F5s galore, Spears. All right, Diff, I know you feel strongly about this. You may not remember it, but you did predict a squash of sorts.

22:55I know you're as shocked as anyone that you got it right. I remember now. I remember now. What are your feelings on this happening, and what would you do next now that we're down to Perth, two Raws, and a Saturday Night's Main Event? is that right? Survivor Series five total, sorry I would say two points one, you reminded how great Corey Graves is after those two F5s, I mean the man is I wish the man could get back in the ring, he's the worker of the center, I love the man secondly it's got to involve The Rock I'm sorry the end of John Cena The Rock knows what the people want, knows what the people need to have.

23:42And bringing that story around full circle finally at the end and giving the satisfying ending with The Rock and Cody and John Cena, no matter what they do, is I think the only true way to end this run. Whether it's as a heel or a babyface, we've got to do something with The Rock. I don't see how I'm good about a babyface. SGG, your tease? I don't think that happens that we see something with The Rock but I will say once he's done with AJ Styles can we please be done with Cena playing the hits we saw it with Punk we were about to see with AJ Styles we saw it with Brock that was basically a one to one copy of the SummerSlam match no more Cena playing the hits we saw it with Randy Orton can we get can we get some new blood in there can we get him in there with Dom can Gunther we're going to get Dom and Cena but we really need to see that why why does it need to be new blood why well hold on we don't need to do that can we have two separate thoughts here i agree that it doesn't need to be new blood and we don't need to force it but can we also say that if if you're going to do that make it cool and meaningful and cena and dom would be awesome like i think of things that exist the the number one hated new heel against Cena would be Mage.

25:01Particularly as we have Survivor Series sitting in San Diego where the crowd wouldn't know what to do with heel Mysterio. That wouldn't be awesome dip. Heel Mysterio and Cena at Survivor Series. That's a thing. Alright. I think it's not thing of chase. It's at a baseball stadium. Is it the baseball stadium? Is that right? It is, right? Yeah, it is. It's at a baseball stadium in his hometown in San Diego where the guy who has two titles and is over like Rover would have a chance against Cena who by the way remind you everybody what's the one title that's eluded him SGG yep it's sitting around Dominic Mysterio's waist that's not well both of them are around Dominic Mysterio's waist the triple a mega champion has also by the way then he becomes triple a champion too it's also I hear dip I hear your point about not forcing just, oh, he's got to put people over.

25:59I get it. You've made that point clear, and I don't think it's a faulty point. I think it's actually an interesting and fair point, particularly with someone like Cena. I don't need him to have four matches in a row with new blood, but we're not getting that clearly. He had Lesnar. I thought the result was not ideal, but he gets AJ now in Perth. That's something. The Cena, you could argue that Cena, AJ, was like one of his last great stories during his prime. That's something. But you got to have someone new in this. If he has a few matches left, you want it to all be greatest hits. How many stories can you tell if they're all greatest hits?

26:41There's essentially no story to build on after that. It's just you had it and that's it. You at least want to have one person. I'm sorry. Here's the biggest. Stop. Here is the biggest problem with this. Okay. We shouldn't even be speculating. We shouldn't even have to speculate. There should be some incredible storytelling going on right now with John Cena where we're like, we can't wait to see what happens next week. Meanwhile, here we are just sitting going, who could it be? Is it this one? Is it that one? We should know who it's going to be already or have a pretty good idea. That's the point.

27:13I'm sorry to be good. My kind of point to that though, Dip, is when they tried that and they did that with his heel turn and it was interesting. it fell apart because the guy that you believe is going to show up to close it out the rock has been mia okay but what's the point i mean you're right we were there well the problem is seen an interesting story but the problem is it relied on somebody who's not going to show up and now whatever it could be a different story correct that was months ago at this point yeah but no but hold on but you're both right the problem is you just named two mistakes.

27:46That's too... One begets the other. SGG's point is what leads to Dip's point. So we had a potential thing and it's not here anymore. But they have to pivot. John Cena should be feuding with Triple H right now for legacy things and bigger A-plus storyline John Cena control of the company attitude era type story. I don't know. Something bigger than this. I don't know if it's that, but it's something. I hear what you're saying. This isn't even this pale. If we're being honest, the John Cena run from a standpoint of who he's wrestled and what's coming up, you would have a really tough time saying that this has been more compelling from a story standpoint than Flair's final run.

28:37Oh, no, not at all. It's not even close to Flair's final run. That to me was a perfect storyline, and it built so well. If I lose, I'm gone. So it can happen anywhere. So at any point, and they started it in, I believe, November of the year before. So people are showing up thinking at any point, this could be Ric Flair's last match. And then as it got close to WrestleMania, it was obvious where it was going to go. But they had that first few months towards the end of the previous year where they were just like, is this it? is Ric Flair done next week? And he had great matches in there. You had the MVP match.

29:15There were a bunch of matches where you go, he really could lose. And Ric Flair's story at 58 years old, Ric Flair became basically the A story at that point. It was like every week. It was a built-in undefeated streak. It was a built-in undefeated streak. And every week leading up till the end, no matter what other big things were happening with The Undertaker, and there were other big things when you heard the woo that felt like the biggest segment every week was oh my gosh what's what's happening with flair with cena you do get that feeling of course that it's a big deal because he's the biggest deal but like you're right dip that there we should know we should be talking about oh my god not that him and aj got a match made on twitter like i it's right i the matches have been great i mean this one was again surprising the the rumors came out the dirt sheets were reporting this week that it was cena's idea to lose like that um to which i would say i didn't hate it it was it was something it wasn't nothing it was something something if you respond to it i gotta tell you something if something happens that is a If nothing happens after and he moves on to AJ, you're telling me, Dip, you of all people think it's something that in eight minutes he just got beat up and we never hear from him and Brock Lesnar again?

30:36Is that something? No, no, no, no. I'm just saying like. It surprised you. It surprised me. I'm glad that Brock won. You know, and it wasn't just like what would have been a Brock Lesnar if Cena beat him clean after like a even match. At least it was something. By the way, though, but again, to the point of no surprises, was that an opportunity where someone gets involved at the end and Cena, even a babyface Cena gets help from someone? That person now has a feud with Brock and Cena steals a win from Lesnar. If you remember, I thought it was going to be Gunther. I thought Gunther was going to be the one.

31:14And I hope and assume it'll be Gunther and Brock at WrestleMania. I mean, people have been wanting to see that for a couple of years. Yeah, I was arguing this week on social media because Ryan Satin posted, you know, because he, I mean, I love Ryan. We love Ryan. He's a great guy. Since he's no longer worked at WWE, all he does is seem to, I'm sorry, Ryan, I have to say the truth. All it seems like he does is crush WWE and put over AEW. Okay? That said, it's all good. I'm still here to read your takes. I follow you, but I read them. And he said, basically, he was saying, why would Edge, do we really need to see Edge and Cena?

31:54No. And I completely disagree. We do need to see Edge and Cena. There is nothing Edge is going to do in AEW for the rest of his time there that would be more exciting than hearing the music come out and Edge and John Cena have a final standoff in a major way in WWE. Someone tell me what it's going to be. What is going to happen? It would be good. It would be good. What's going to happen with Cope and Christian in AEW that's going to be better than the entire WWE crowd losing it as they stare each other down one last time? Because I'm telling you, we can play games all we want. Cena and Edge are each other's number one rivals.

32:31They are. To answer your question, Pete, and I can't believe it. This is a hell freezes over moment for, I guess, the cheap heat audience who's been with us for over the years. but you say what could be better in AEW than the crowd losing their mind after Cena and Edge make their entrances and the match begins and the answer is the bell rings because I do not want to see Cena and Edge and whatever they can produce after that bell rings but at least in AEW Edge has been doing coke excuse me has been doing great in-ring work he's been having fresh dance partners that he's been delivering on some good matches that and you don't think you don't think edge and cena can pull it off for one night i think i think i'm i think i think over cena playing the hits but this is the hit we've seen but this is the hit edge is the hit you weren't there edge is the hit you were not there yeah i love you dip listen i wasn't there for attitude era so uh listen we all have our different times we were out if you were there in cena's heyday of super cena the vitriol the hate between edge and cena was the the biggest feud of his career it's not it's not gonna happen i understand that but but this all we do is speculate that's what this is nothing's gonna happen that we say what but my my response to oh i don't see if it's how it's really worthwhile i do i think that would be very worthwhile and like i'm not trying to take anything away saying edge hasn't done anything good stuff in aw he has but he's been there a couple years he's done a lot of good stuff but in the end if i could get edge and seen it have a meaningful moment for me personally as a fan selfishly that would mean more um let's take it's only worthwhile to me if they both wrap it up at the end of that dip you complain that there's no story and then when i say what about the biggest rivals ever coming back to have a match together you shrug your shoulders so you don't want him to have dominic mysterio a new guy i suggest his number one rival in history and you go meh so what is this about an edge head okay i'm not an edge head it's not exciting to me i'm sorry so no one knew is exciting and no one old so who is it then who is i don't know i don't know dude it's the whole thing to me i'm like i'm not in love with this this match after match after match i need some storytelling with cena and we had it and it's gone so to me i'm like oh you know you know i like i love john cena i love seeing john Cena but now I'm just like okay like you know all right well listen I get it you're just you know you're disappointed there's no story I understand I am here suggesting what some things could be that would be interesting I think Dominic in San Diego would be interesting I think Edge showing up out of nowhere after they after they do each other's moves in matches John John pays tribute to Edge Edge pays tribute to John in AEW then they come together that's something that happened I still thought that was a Roman Reigns spear, but I'm getting out of something.

35:33It's something minus. No, it's not. I'm telling you if that music hits, can people back me up? 877-344-4893. What should they do with John Cena next? It's Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Introducing new sugar-free dentine. The sugar-free gum made to make your breath beautiful. By the way, I think it's coming out next week. I sat down with Chris Van Vliet finally. Finally did a CVV interview. You made it. I made it. And the funniest thing was we did like a good hour about all kinds of stuff. And we talked beforehand about what to talk about.

36:16And then it ended. And we never talked about the 24-7 championship in the entire hour. That was one thing. Like, I thought it was the perfect place to give like sort of the blow by blow story of how kind of that all came to be and happened and what happened after. And then we completely forgot. And I just thought about that when I when I heard that music, because afterwards, when him and I were speaking, you know, I was telling him it's funny for like. For the 24 seven championship being a silly thing in wrestling for someone who's not a wrestler. Having won it is like a pretty big deal. All right.

36:54I'll get you the plaque. Okay. I'm going to get the plaque. You're not getting. Just be honest. I'm getting the plaque. Listen, Deb, I have the title still here. I have the title. Next time I come to New York, it's going back with me in my suitcase, and it will be in glass or plexiglass. We'll see how much I want to spend. Don't you think you're going to make more work for yourself to have to do it in Los Angeles? Shouldn't you just go find a place to do it here? I have a guy here. Okay. You've got a guy. I can't – if my guy finds out that I framed one of the biggest scam businesses on the face of the earth.

37:27No bigger scam than framing. What are they doing back there? What could be going on in the frame place that's costing thousands of dollars? There's a bandsaw. There's a measuring tape. That's about it. Okay? I have a friend who does framing in Maryland, and she was like, oh, you should come to me. I'll give you friends and family. I went, okay. I brought her stuff. This is someone I went to high school with. her prices were so crazy for friends and family so treat me like an enemy what are the exactly good point i awkwardly had to tell her sorry can you just uh drop it drop the stuff off at my mom's house she just dropped she just i i i wasn't doing it i did not do it i went you can just i went oh that's really oh thank you can you just go ahead and drop it off at my mom's house and she dropped it off unframed at my mom's house she wanted i think her friend's price for this fairly big framed item.

38:21We eventually got it done, so I don't know which thing it was. The Wu-Tang thing? Did it cost more to get it done? Maybe it was the tag team wrestlers. I don't remember which it was. Whatever it was, I think she wanted the friends and fam love was like$900. And I was like, I said, but that's friends. No, Natalie could get a better price from the person she works with in New York, who's just someone she works with. What are you doing back there? What are people doing with the frames? It's like the dry cleaners in the framing. No one knows what's going on back there. The dry cleanings. Now that I actually get suits dry cleaned regularly because I'm doing more on TV.

38:59What you a suit costs you. A suit is like a car. You're paying to keep the suit. You're paying and you're paying and you're paying. You never stop paying for the suit. Yeah, it's insanity. Are you are you wearing? Yeah, I mean, by the way, I'm not wearing. Well, here's the thing. Here's what happens. I wear it once and unfortunately on my way back from traveling I get lazy and it ends up getting shoved in my bag and then once it's shoved in the bag and then once it's shoved in the bag at the very least I have to press it I have seen Peter Rosenberg and this is where you lose us I have seen Peter Rosenberg pack and unpack thousands of times during our relationship he is a shover and he's a shover and a clumper and put things in crazy orifices of the suitcase.

39:49There's no folding. On the way back. On the way back. On the way back. I don't love the pre-packing either. I don't do it on the way back. You're just shoving. On the way back with the suit I've already worn, I didn't feel like carrying it on a hanger again and then worrying about forgetting it on the plane. I don't do that. I don't do the carrying on the hanger unless it's a date. Like I'm going somewhere for the day. but I always bring something to steam the clothes with by myself. I'm bringing a personal steamer. I do have a steamer. I do have a steamer. Listen, you're right. I should do better.

40:23I should do better. Listen, you're a professional man. Hold on. When I first did a PLE, okay, just to take us through the journey, my first episodes on TV, I was wearing repulsive everything. I was wearing Bella's socks. I was wearing Nikki Bella socks, brown repulsive shoes, some sort of pants that I was wearing like new T-shirts under a sport coat. I was repulsive. Can I improve this? Can I get a little bit of credit? I have made you look better. Yes. I think that's where he's going with this. Yeah. Well, no, no, no. What I was trying to do is it goes without saying that you were the biggest influence.

41:03But what I was going to say was say was SG. Can I get some credit? He's worried about how I pack. How about just my presentation on television, though, for over the last 10 years? 10 ,000 times better. Thousands of times better. I mean, come on. I now actually – now I think in some cases my look is to my advantage on TV. It used to be I had to survive in spite of the look. Now I see sometimes on TV, you know what? I look pretty good. This isn't bad. You lost some weight and the beard helps now. Sure. I define the look. A little bit. I know. He doesn't like the beard being so full. He's not. He acts like I'm.

41:42No, he thinks he thinks I'm like Brody King. I mean, he's like Ridley Adams. Ridley Adams. It is. But Dip, I know you and SGG both have some thoughts on the PWI 500 that came out. Let's see. Top 10. Cody Rhodes, one. John Moxley, two. No way. Yes. Gunther, three. No. Hangman, four. Nope. Hiroki Gotu, five. Whatever. Okay. Jey Uso, six. I'm good with that. Yeah, fine. Good. Swerve, seven. No. Seth, eight. Obviously not. Should be higher. Seth should be number two. Jey Uso should be top five. Mystico, nine. and Will Ospreay 10. Will Ospreay can be in the top 10. Ospreay's too low also. Will Ospreay can be in the top 10.

42:45But here's the thing. When I read the factors, how they do it, you realize kind of how silly the whole thing is. It's silly up a storm. The definition. Win, loss. Joe Hendry is number 12. Joe Hendry. Joe Hendry. It says, it says. It's got the champion Joe Hendry. It says, reminder, this list is evaluated solely on Kay Fabe and weighs the following win loss record championships, one quality of competition, major feuds prominence within a wrestler's promotion and overall wrestling ability. when you remember that i do think it changes my feelings on their rankings what why changes nothing seth rollins at at when you were when you remember all of that and having seth rollins that low well hold on but hold on uh for example where it changes my feelings i wouldn't have john moxley in my top 50 i didn't enjoy anything mox did this year sorry i just didn't i hate the Deathriders not for me don't get it however you're talking about a guy who held the title for a very long time won a lot of matches is important in his promotion if you add in all of the kayfabe factors that they're including he is a top 10 guy yes he's not he's not number two but but according to their metric he might be I mean he's top five maybe just the amount of time he had the title.

44:27But like, I'm sorry, Joe Hendry is higher than CM Punk? Yeah, that's the same. What planet is that occurring? But Punk didn't hold a title for more than five minutes. He's one of the most prominent people on television in wrestling this year. That's not what it's scoring. I have to argue it's not what it's scoring. You're wrong. Overall prominence within wrestlers promotion. That's what that counts. Literally just said that. Major feuds. Joe Hendry is bigger in TNA than CM Punk is in WWE. That is, oh, hell no. He is. Hell no. Hold on, is CM Punk number one? Is CM Punk number one in WWE? Number three?

45:10But it's not equal, though. Number five in WWE is still weighted higher than number one in TNA. It doesn't say that. If that's the case, it would just be a... Guys, I'm surprised by you. You're a lawyer, and I'm being literal. SGG, but I'm being literal to what it says. Joe Hendry brought the TNA World Championship to WrestleMania this year. That is the biggest deal TNA could have possibly had. That makes him the biggest deal there. That, to me, could be higher if you're using this metric. Guys, I don't agree with it. If we did the cheap Heat 500. He didn't defend it at WrestleMania, though. He just showed up with it.

45:49that doesn't raise I'm just explaining how I read their thing I'm not saying it's ridiculous Seth Rollins only carried the title Seth Rollins barely carried the title this year by the way what were the dates on this yeah what are the dates it was like summer to summer I want to say July 2025 to July 2024 to 2025 yeah it's August 124 to July 31 25 yeah is higher than Ethan Page and Drew Mackenzie. You want to get upset. You want to get upset. MJF at 30. At any point during this run. That's a wild. Come on. That's a wild one to have. But Nick Nemeth is higher than MJF? Okay. Wait, what number is Nick Nemeth?

46:37Our great colleague. We love Nick. We love Nick Nemeth. We love Nick Nemeth. That is crazy. He's nine slots over MJF? What are we doing? um Kyle Fletcher should be higher for sure where's Kyle McIntyre should be higher Kyle Fletcher's like in the late 20s or something and where is it drew Drew McIntyre is um Dominic Mysterio is 48 insanity but again I don't think it's that well here's my question what's the but but dip my point is they've they're using a dumb metric but their metrics, the way they're using them, it's not that off. My only question is, as someone who doesn't really care about the PWI, but it's fun to talk shit about, my only thing is, why are we doing this if it's kayfabe?

47:30Here's the craziest one. Why do we need a wrestling magazine that's not within a promotion to have a kayfabe top 500? It doesn't make sense. Hold on, hold on. Karrion Kross, who had the best year, I mean, he's gone, but as far as July to July, yeah. he's 113 JC Mateo is 108 what the that's a tough one that right there is a tough one in general that is a very tough one to explain or Mrs. PWI needs to come on this podcast right now I just don't understand the point overall why are we doing this if in the end it's all going to be K-Fab It just it just Brody King. 155. What planet is I'm ahead of Brody King.

48:20All right. Let's try to get to a couple more calls. Not on the list. We didn't get into that. Number 500 is Serial Man. I love Serial Man. We love. No, no. That's dip. That's that's your nickname for me when I go to the Delta Sky Club. All right. SGG has to go to court. Dip has to go to major client meetings. But we are not done yet on Cheap Heat Live. I'm going to open up the mailbag next, all right? If you want to reach out, RosenbergWrestling at gmail.com. Of course, Cheap Heat Pod on Instagram or sign up on Patreon where you can find Cheap Heat Live as well and send us a message. We're going to get to the mailbag next and talk to you, the people, right here on Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7.

49:00Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Introducing Chauvin Musk Actives from the creators of America's Most Preferred Musk. A complete line of aftershaves and deodorants for the man on the go. Jauvin Musk actors for every day. Ladies and gentlemen, it is Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Sheepy Live. Happy Friday, everyone. Hope you're having a fantastic Friday. Welcome back to the program. Peter Rosenberg, Stack Eye Greg, Dip, we are all here. Well, we were all here. and then stack i greg had a case and dip ristine had big hollywood movements and it's me me and you and now if you want to get down with the show and you want to contribute in any way we have so many ways that you can be a part of everything we do here on cheap heat live number one you can of course follow the show on social media cheap heat pod on instagram we'd love a follow post lots of good video up there pieces from the show different conversation flashbacks to for interviews things of that nature but it's cheap heat pod on instagram we're also on patreon as well cheap heat live on patreon a matter of fact overdue for another patreon episode this week so we'll get to that but we've been doing some watch alongs some really really uh fun stuff so there's a whole lot going on there did i forget anything else oh youtube of course at rosenberg wrestling on youtube or you can just search for cheap heat and it'll come right up but uh so many different ways for you to follow along and I went on our Patreon a couple of days ago and said do you want have anything you want to ask any sort of questions I put that up on Patreon and I put it up on our Instagram page and gave you the opportunity to reach out and ask whatever questions you feel like asking for this moment right now so I could talk to you the people a little Friday mailbag as we get into this weekend so let's see what the people have to say here we go Sean Pacheco very loyal listener to cheap heat live here on pro wrestling nation says with the smashing machine garnering good reviews and set to release next week what are your top five movies starring wrestlers hmm his list they live predator guardians of the galaxy blade runner 2049 and the princess bride um this is a this is a solid list what's played oh blade runner 2049 is there something wrong with me 27 is that i'm guessing batista 2017 film um all right i'll be honest guys my list is definitely gonna lean old school um i i lean of course princess bride absolutely has to be in the conversation um Andre the Giant in that movie, frankly, you know, we can talk about all the other stuff early on, like people's participation in wrestlers participation in movies.

52:14And certainly there's a lot of big ones, but I really think that without Andre and Princess Bride, you know, they live was a big deal. And I, and I really do think, you know, They Live would make my list, for sure. And, you know, Piper did a great job in it, unquestionably. But, like, there was something about the charm of Andre the Giant that you just cannot remove.

52:52that being said you can't can you leave out Rocky 3 I mean maybe because Rocky 3 is one of my all time listen it's not the best Rocky okay Rocky 1 by a mile Rocky 4 is the other one that obviously people will say is their favorite but 3 and a big part of what I loved about 3 as a kid if I'm being honest of course was the fact that Hulk Hogan was Thunderlips and it sort of gave this wink to what pro wrestling was and I loved that as well so I would go for me I would go now is there anything modern like of the Cena rock by the way I'm not gonna lie you talk about the early rock movies before the rock was the biggest action star in the world I loved him in Walking Tall i thought that was an important movie to establish i mean yes you can look at it now as sort of a silly obvious kind of i really liked walking tall i know it was a remake but i loved walking tall i'll go walking tall princess bride rocky three they live which i think is is very deserving what i consider what i put predator in there you know what i also love uh cena in the amy Schumer movie.

54:20Just in terms of really like something that's my speed. Trainwreck. I really like John Cena and Trainwreck. Very, very funny. But God, there's so many when you think about it. Good question. That's a fun conversation. Let me say this about Smashing Machine. I wish I could get a conversation with Rock while he's doing promo for this movie because I am so excited about the actual movie. I've been waiting to see Dwayne Johnson in this kind of role for so long. I don't know about you guys, but as someone who's always enjoyed his acting, like I said, going all the way back to walking tall, I have just always wanted to see what he could do in a truly dramatic role you know and so for that it this is a big big deal again if you want to participate with the show right now jump over on our youtube and and follow give us a follow on rosenberg wrestling go to cheap heat pod on instagram give us a follow subscribe to all those things smash subscribe smash it um but we need you over there so support us wherever we're only on one day a week here now i have i did receive some good information though that i want to share with you guys and we we do have new re-air times in fact you're you may be listening to one of those uh new re-air times as we speak but i i i was excited because we don't have that much time week to week to be with you and i'm also talking to ed over here at fight nation about finding other things that we can contribute throughout the week.

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56:54All right. Millen the Villain says, does WWE use their own catering company or do they arrange a city vendor each time? They have their own. They switched at some point. And then, of course, occasionally, depending on where they're traveling, there can be different ones. I will tell you, I've had one major issue with catering these days. Okay. Catering within WWE, even post-Switch, has been very good. in my opinion i think it's generally a pretty good pretty damn good selection of food they've just been shutting it down so early because i don't really get to eat dinner until i'm done with the countdown show and these days when i come in they're already breaking down and i'm like whoa whoa back in the day dinner would still be fully out i'd sit down have a nice plate watch the show So what you have to do is you have to follow the catering master, the genius that is Byron Saxton, who is filling boxes all day long and saving them in the locker room so he can have a peaceful dinner when the time comes.

57:58But yeah, random question there, but I appreciate it about catering. By the way, who knows what Perth catering is going to be? We'll have to have an entire Perth catering review. Oh, speaking of which, we mentioned it earlier. I want to mention it again. You want to talk about a random Patreon this week. Rosenberg and Dipperstein wandering around Los Angeles and going to Shakey's near LAX. Now that's the kind of content you need. And that's what you have on Patreon. We're going to drop that this weekend. So head over to Patreon, Cheap Heat Live, if you want things like 35 minutes of Rosenberg and Dipperstein driving around LA with microphones on.

58:35All right, here we go. Anthony says, I think the booking of the street profits potential split uh with the wyatts is an interesting one but do you think the slow long-term story will work here and are you still on the montage montez can do this as a singles competitor thing because i think both guys can cook what are your t's this has long been a uh an argument on this show only in the sense that dip has given dawkins no no chance no chance in hell to make it as a single star i disagree i disagree i do i don't think that dawkins jumps off the page charisma wise and things like that no i not necessarily he hasn't had the opportunity at least to show us that but from what dawkins is capable of doing physically and how much he's comfortable being whatever role he needs to be in i think there's a chance Dawkins could really surprise.

59:33So let me say that in the first place. Do I still believe Tez can do it as a singles competitor? I do. I do still have belief in that. However, as time goes on and on with the street profits and we tease the breakup and heel turn, face turn, heel turn, face turn, tease a breakup, here we go. The stop and start of street profit stories in the long run does have a negative impact on their ability to do something meaningful. That's the main thing that I feel, is that because there's been so much stop and go, it's really, really hard to truly get excited about anything that happens, you know? All right, here we go.

1:00:25Jack writes us and says, with the year and always coming quicker than anticipated who do you all feel has improved their stock the most from where they began this year and consequently who has seen their stock drop the most you can use any criteria combination you want cheers booze placement on the card in ring performance or a blah blah blah as always stay mage and congrats on your evolution of cheapy Thank you, Jack. All right. I know one person who popped in my head quickly as their stock having gone up over the course of this year. And I base that on performance in the ring, opportunities given, general just things you hear.

1:01:11Jade Cargill. I think Jade Cargill has actually gone up. And I think that's interesting because her losing clean to Tiffany Stratton, you might have thought would have been the beginning of bad things to come for Jade Cargill. And I think it has been the opposite. I think Jade has gone up as the year has gone on. The obvious one, it's been an incredible year from beginning to end for Jacob Fatu. And we spoke some earlier about this you know where has Jacob been where will Jacob land etc etc but no matter how you cut it Jacob Fatu is out uh here there is no question about it um now this is not a stock drop at all but obviously just Bianca disappearing from our tv screens has not been ideal um and it came sort of unexpectedly right like she she has the finger injury at wrestlemania and after that we just haven't seen her again and i i no i don't think bianca stock will ever drop but just that's the wrong way of putting it but just her lack of being on our television has been a surprise i don't think anyone expected also do you guys find it's hard is it just me when i go back and try to remember what happened at mania this year i now confuse mania and summer slam because they're both these monster two-day events has anyone else had that same experience whenever you're trying to think back of like big matches i'm like wait was that mania or was that summer slam um i'm trying to think of someone whose actual stock has dropped um you know could you make a case that gunther's stock has dropped a bit you know losses he ends up battling with pat mcafee for 20 minutes and then like shows him signs of respect and then loses you could argue it hasn't been a great year for good and then he's gone you know i know that may be controversial um i think the world of gunther and i i think he can be a huge huge star there's always rumblings about him getting a cena match but yeah we haven't seen him he's had some tough losses i would argue there's a chance you could argue uh gunther has lost some stock can we talk about these insane ticket prices for wrestlemania i feel like i've seen my last one in person barring winning the lottery in which case i would of course immediately hire major dip as my representation stay mage fellows desmond hey man no question about it um no question about it it is it is uh it is expensive.

1:03:56It is expensive going to concerts. It is expensive going to sports events. It is expensive as hell to go to all of these things. And at WrestleMania is very expensive now. And it was interesting that we heard, you know, recently the idea that, you know, the wrestling market is behind UFC. Cause you want to see, you want to see insane guys. UFC ticket prices are a completely different level. In fact, I've looked for the last couple of years at UFC ticket prices and not understood who can go to these events. We live in a crazy time with tickets. And I really think that it's not going to change unless people start saying, no, I'm good.

1:04:45That's the only way it ever happens. If people keep buying tickets. you know um and so all of these places and listen that's a bit of an awkward spot for me working at wwe to criticize ticket prices all i can say is ticket prices are really expensive everywhere um the mania ticket price if you want to sit on the floor are prohibitively expensive however that being said i will say this on the shill side of things can you be shocked floor seats are a very expensive thing these days and it's the biggest event of the year um even growing up the two times I went to a show dude in retrospect floor seats were probably 60 bucks at the capital center or something and I sat at like 200 level with my parents so I don't even understand the idea as a kid of getting to sit in good seats but I don't think that's necessarily right and this is this is my thought for fans if you are a fan who is just shocked by the ticket prices and doesn't know what to do.

1:05:49I feel you. I bit the bullet on Beyonce this year and it was the craziest expense and I've never done anything like that. Try to look on your calendar for cities nearest you where they're doing shows that aren't the biggest events of the year. You know what I mean? Like I was telling people get to Indy for Wrestlepalooza. I know not everybody can do that, but I met people in the lobby at the hotel who were there from South Dakota and we're there from Chicago and you keep your eye on the other places where you might be able to go score tickets that are more affordable but these shows yeah they're expensive no way around it I'm looking right now at the UFC show this is actually probably not as bad as I thought no that's pretty bad the thing is also there's so much resale that you never know I don't even know what the actual ticket prices are because like right now I'm looking at UFC oh here's a standard emission ticket.

1:06:47$1 ,600 for section one, which is just off the floor. $1 ,600. Here's some floor seats. What are these? $8 ,000 on the floor. Are these resale? No, this is an official platinum ticket. But this is octagon. This is literally right outside the octagon. So I mean, that's about what I would expect to be that close to the octagon at a UFC fight. At MSG, no less. Let's see. Let me get up higher. Let's go to where the normal people sit. Section 226, shall we? What does that look like? 226. Well, now I just added all of these tickets to my thing and I can't see any of them. But you're still spending hundreds of dollars to sit up top which is which is listen i can't sugarcoat it tickets are expensive out here make smart decisions about where to go see these events because whether it's sports or or or wrestling it is pricey to get in the building all right let's hit should we hit one more i think i have time for one more minute let me go on the um on the instagram page here see the comments okay here we go the first one wrestlemania ticket prices are bed bath and beyond all right we just covered that where is Jacob Fatu I don't know I think they're just giving him a break so they can bring him back and make him the biggest baby face in the world that's my guess uh someone says I asked chat GPT who they thought the next three WWE champions would be and they said Orton at Survivor Series Cody at Mania 42 and Roman Reigns at SummerSlam I dis I don't think that'll happen but I don't hate that obviously we talked already a lot about john cena um would you consider signature moves tears of mage yes we're already talking about it undertaker sting versus sting in saudi hear me out sting beats taker in a casket match then then raptures up on the drop court i we already said this i love the idea if they're going to do crazy matches in Saudi I am all here for sting and undertaker why not I'm sorry you could make it work undertaker is now around at everything he's clearly undertaker is clearly at this stage it took time for us to get used to seeing Mark Calloway around listen I'm used to him I think he's there all the time clearly now undertaker is around why would you not be able to run him back out for a match with sting in a way that you do it very carefully I I would absolutely love that are we experiencing the worst era of merch too many words phrases on tees the current collab merch is often better than any mainline stuff but still it's vintage retro based i listen again tough for me to answer we love fanatics um too many word shirts there are too many word shirts there was a moment the other day where the vision came out and the bronze were both wearing different word shirts.

1:10:00I had the exact same thought. The collab stuff, like you said, I've seen a lot of collab stuff. In fact, I just saw some new stuff that's coming over the holidays, a John Geiger collab that looks really cool. There's some collab stuff that gives you vintage feel, higher quality t-shirts, et cetera. But yes, the regular degular merch that they just sell at an event, I don't love the material and there's too many words on them. I agree with you. you can find good merch but this is always my problem when there's too many merch flips over and over and over again you generally just care a little bit less about the merch and that is an area that we are in right now now they have non-t-shirt merch that's fun it's a good era for non-t-shirt other interesting items merch but when it comes to just the straight up tees i agree with you um all right guys we got a dip shout out to dip and sgg we appreciate you guys so much like i said subscribe on the youtube page we we have video of the show every single week that you can enjoy plus subscribe to the podcast wherever you find podcasts you get the audio version we need your subs cheap heat just search for it we're cheap heat live on patreon if you want special episodes like this week with me and dip riding around in la if that's that's your cup of tea go to the patreon and of course the instagram page cheap heat pod shouts to amelio sparks kelly zach the whole squad ed we appreciate you uh we'll see you guys next week stay made and enjoy yourself.