Charcuterie and Graps

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out, Zach. I do it. The major stick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The major king. 24 seconds. Champions jam. A thousand percent confirmed. M-mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. M-m-m-m-m-m-mage.

0:53Oh, I'm sorry. Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was repugged. It was repugged. It's professional wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world's number one sports and recreation podcast and live program. It's GP Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. I am your forever 24-7 champion, Peter Rosenberg. I am joined by the physically large stack guy, Greg S-U-G. p what's going on you looking like you're in a nice uh i see some speakers on the wall i see some records bro this place we we are staying at this place in vermont in a small town called glover vermont glover glover i don't know they don't know either they just it just whatever feels right they're gonna say it i wanted to have the shot of the lake that was my hope i'm gonna see if i could show you a little bit of the that's the lake wow we're on the lake we are maxing and relaxing um in a way that is super needed after the last week which has been interesting sgg interesting yeah now it's we'll get to we i know listen real quick i understand it's friday maybe you're listening on the weekend it's saturday or sunday and you've already heard a lot about John Cena but I also feel like everyone's takes are different everyone needs to be heard and so I hope you're not done hearing about John Cena because we're gonna do a heavy dose today but it was crazy SGG because we went on the air last week literally less than two hours after I'd gotten the phone call that my radio job of 18 and a half years had come to an end yeah which I didn't I found out on air even though you texted the group chat like just before we went on air I'm a professional some of the time that time I was being professional I wasn't looking at my phone so I saw it saw it late so when I said it alive on the air you were just like huh yeah I was like uh what's he talking about and SGG you know more than anyone in this circle in our group chat on this show is the most locked in to that show.

3:19Yeah, I would say so. And she spends his time. Like, not every day, but you're a pretty, you're fairly... I listen to the podcast. I play Whitish Wednesday, you know. I'm still... Played, played. Played, played Whitish Wednesday. Because you got to hit that unsubscribe. You know what I mean? Hot 97 gets you no more. Yeah, yeah. No, we out of there. We out of there. I do have respect for Hot Rod Rick as somebody who also parlayed his way into a spot on the show. Much respect to Hot Rod Rick. It was an interesting week, man. I've had a myriad of feelings. Just to let you guys know, not that you care, I won't spend that much time on it here, but I had been back and forth for a long time about whether I wanted to be there anymore.

4:03It was the station itself was no longer the station that I loved, but my show was still the show that I loved. and Ibra and Laura are still family and it was still a paycheck that came in to have fun and talk with your friends and you get to reach the audience in New York that I love and has shown us so much love so I had a lot of trepidation about leaving but I also was very interested in leaving long story short the decision was made for me and it was the band-aid getting ripped off that I kind of needed and SGG, man, you don't realize how much you're doing until it ends. And it's been really cool, man, to see the outpouring of people with love for our show.

4:51I'm super appreciative of it. Makes me feel a little bit bad about the work I've done on other YouTube channels to see how this show just trounces everything. It is a reminder of what's number one. it shouldn't make you feel bad though because you got to think about it like this right you were at what 18 almost 19 years a hot 97 something like that uh yeah 18 and a half yeah so you know even though you are putting in the work everywhere else and everybody sees it like you you're the hardest working man like i said in sports entertainment and sports entertainment Thank you. It's not that Hot 97 or like, you know, that job was the end all be all top of the mountain job.

5:38It's just that that's the one that, you know, you put in the work first. You put in the most work, obviously, just because it's been 18 years versus, you know, a decade here and there and other places. and that's the one where the fruits of the labor are more plentiful because you're still rising in those other jobs not that you were solidified at 197 but you know it was at the top of the mountain because you got the head start it's not fair to the other jobs yeah and listen obviously i can't take anything away from uh you know ibra and laura who of course bring their own cachet and then you're on the air in new york like as much as people isn't it funny how much people will tell you radio doesn't matter and the amount of play that our exit has gotten really makes it seem like they may not be correct no radio definitely matters it apparently no listen at least our show apparently it matters so it was a really crazy week and then i turned around and went to saturday night's main event uh the day after it all happened i went right to dc it was interesting man went right to my hometown the same place that i left for hot 97 turned around and went back the next day um was really nice to meet wrestling fans there for the first time got a lot of welcome homes a lot of love that felt great and then we watched an incredibly interesting show now dip ristine will be here uh at some point to give us his takes but we got to start and get right after an sgg i i gave some takes on the post show i tried my best to hit both feelings like my first feeling out of the gate at the top of the show was nah that was bs i wanted super senior um but then at the same time i did seem more company guy when i was defending the the end when i basically said i don't really really i don't really know why you're booing triple h tonight um maybe you have other reasons for booing triple h that's neither here nor there but like in this moment i think sgg john cena got what he wanted i almost feel like if you're booing you should john cena like yeah ironically i don't know so we haven't i haven't gotten to hear from you yet i've heard a couple of thoughts from you but uh what was your takeaway from the outcome and all the all the little pieces uh of that match with gunther yeah so you know when people were saying all week that Sina needs to win, Sina needs to say goodbye, and Sina needs to have the whole speech and all of that.

8:19I spent the week telling people, we got that. We've been getting that the whole time. Sina's little goodbye speech, we got it at the top. When he came in on Money in the Bank and said, I'm retiring next year and let everybody know what's going on, that was the speech, guys. And then when he performed at all these places and main evented every PLE of the year, those were the goodbyes. So you expecting another one at the end? John Cena, he already gave you that. So now that was his time to give back to the business, which he said he wanted to do the whole time, not even just as he was retiring. And, you know, he cut that promo on Roman.

9:02He cut that promo on Ambrose. He cut that promo on so many young guys where he said, I will leave when you guys put me in a position to leave. When you guys let me know that you can handle my baby, which is the WWE, then I will leave. And then he told us he was leaving. So anybody who didn't see, you know, the John Cena beatdown of sorts coming, I don't know what to tell them. And I'm with you, too, on why we booing Triple H, because, you know, not to make it about my guy. This is about John Cena today. But when people, quote unquote, didn't like Roman's booking and Vince showed up, they showered Vince with love and they booed Roman.

9:47So now all of a sudden we booing Triple H because we don't like John Cena's booking. Get over it, guys. just get over it so all right now i said a lot there i know you said a lot uh okay here's how i feel i i will accept john cena losing because that is the wrestling thing to do yes that's not my issue i'm not dip who thinks he should be holding the championship as he retires okay yeah still an insane take still an insane take i'm not there for that however there had to be a way to send fans who spent a lot of money on their tickets home happier than they did why i know that because this isn't sports losing shouldn't be an option you should not risk that you took your kids to the show at and they leave and they're literally like that was a horrible night that that shouldn't be on the table we didn't have any other title changes the the cody ob match was a schmaz finish um yeah it's cool to see sol ruko win but there was not these were remember you're also giving them nxt stars so like a lot of these kids may not even know who the wrestlers were in the other matches they said this was the biggest gate in the history of that building that includes the capitals winning the stanley freaking cup in that building right people paid a grip to go there there are so many ways they could have made the end in my opinion feel better sgg whether it was him getting on the mic for a minute whether it was gunther beating him down afterwards and then the baby faces come down you know what i mean and we have a moment some music hits some sort of pick me up at the end but like what was the pick me up at the end so that's the thing right when fans say they need to go home happy they have a very narrow view i think of what that means which is why i just throw it in the trash because i don't necessarily want to be happy all the time at the end of my wrestling show i want something that's like what's gonna happen next right and whatever had to happen next was not gonna involve cena right that was part of the deal we've been prepared for that all year that what's next is not gonna involve cena so that what's next part needing to make the fans home happy was not an option why not but why couldn't have gotten to gunther's next feud because someone else comes down and it leads to them having a little standoff moment and that person protects cena and now we're off to them too why the hell are we protecting cena why does seen it need to be saved if he was getting if this hero was getting beaten down mercilessly i don't know why did he have to tap out why does the guy who never gives up have to give up what why since when did wrestling become so realistic right since when did it become so realistic that now we can't do anything feel good we need to keep it but they perfectly in line that's the next win they do sometimes sometimes the feel good is the next thing right it's a it's a tight rope to walk sometimes the feel good is the next thing like when cody and all the baby faces including john cena stole the title off of my tribal chief that he still has around his ways to this day and we're gonna get back to that at some point but like sometimes the feel good is the next thing and sometimes the feel good is like the little post-match video package where they It didn't feel good.

13:20It didn't feel good because fans were focused on themselves instead of the guy that came to see. No, no. I'm sorry. Just because you liked it at 40 years old. I didn't like the video package. I was like, you know, we don't need this. So it didn't feel good. I wasn't going to stretch it out. It would not have felt good either, but it's my way of getting to the next thing. But also, I'm not mad that I didn't get what I wanted. Yeah, but you literally weren't even willing to take a bus for this match. Yeah, you got offered a ticket. I didn't go. I did. That's true. So so you honestly, your opinion doesn't even count.

13:57Like, let's you. These are people who paid their hard earned money to go. My opinion wouldn't have counted either, though, because I wouldn't have paid my hard money. But at least whatever they felt in the building. But like, I just. Then then, OK, there's so many places where this just could have been dolled up a little bit. So maybe we shouldn't have had the whole card be NXT. Maybe we should have found one other big win for someone popular who the kids did know or like something else in there. There was nothing else in there. The whole thing led to Cena. When it ended, I was like, all right, so now he's going to attack him after the bell.

14:37And then we're going to get like Cody's music and something. Some feel good of something. I just don't know why this moment with the most unrealistic superstar since Hulk Hogan, John Cena is his entire career. He's been the most unrealistic superstar besides Hulk Hogan. They had to end his career with the perfect realism. Everybody dies. Like, what are we doing? It's John Cena. His whole career was doing things that made adults go, well, I don't understand it, but it's for the kids. And now at the end, they had to do this really hardcore saving private Ryan depressing drama. I just why now? And then and then and then furthermore, you are feeling the smile tap and then the smile tap, the smiley tap.

15:25You weren't feeling it. Let's take a break. And get into the smiley tap. Listen, guys, we're not taking phone calls today. We got to just delve into this. this is an in-house issue we need to deal with this as a family but what you can do is send your emails rosenbergwrestling at gmail.com send your emails in rosenbergwrestling at gmail.com tweet us maybe jump on our instagram page cheap heat pod um jump on there and say what's up maybe we should align all of these emails and instagram accounts probably a great idea um jump on give us your thoughts uh we want to hear from you we're also still going to hear from dipristine who i am willing to guess will not have the same take as sgg that's why you come to this show you get it all you're going to get sgg on one side you're going to get me in the middle and you're going to get dipristine so far somewhere else that you don't even know where the hell he is but that's what makes it beautiful my right sgg that is i mean this idea that you're always in the middle is, you know, for dispute.

16:30No, no, I'm definitely not always, but here, he's going to be even further than me. We already know he thinks Cena should have left with the championship. Yeah, insane. Exactly. Alright, so we will get to more of this conversation, including what happened with that tap next, right here on GP Live Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Talking to Captain Lou Albano, first of all, I want to wish everybody out there a merry, happy, happy Christmas, and I'm looking forward to many, many, many presents on his Christmas day. Yes, that's right. Me, I'm Santa Claus. And Santa Claus looking for another new Cadillac to put with my other three.

17:05I'm looking for all kinds of goodies. I'm looking for all kinds of good foods and fine wine and fine women. I'm looking for everything, brother. I want it all together on Christmas day. You got it? Merry Christmas from the captain, brother. I'm ready. Welcome back to GP Live Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Happy holidays, everyone. We are officially now into holiday season. I hope some of y 'all are getting vacation starting already, but I know a lot of people, SUG, got to work Monday, Tuesday, even Wednesday. Oh, God forbid. Please not Wednesday. Not an issue for me, SUG. You know what I mean? That's the thing about getting laid off right before the holidays.

17:49Cruising. Yeah, they did you a favor. Yeah, thank you. I was looking for a little vacay. So we hope everyone's enjoying their holiday season. we're, of course, talking right now, John Cena. So SGG and I just argued, obviously, we had our different views of how it could have gone. Now to the tap. To tap or not to tap, first of all, is the question. And then the second question is the details of the tap. To me, again, this hyper-realism of like John Cena needed to tap at the end, SGG I would have loved and I don't understand yes I can hear the argument people have been making it all week on this station I know I know it's poetic for him to tap great that's your view of it I think it's trash that's your view of it my view of it is even if you want to support SGG's angle of you wanted the ruthless beatdown to end SGG wanted him stretchered out I still argue.

18:57Just have him fall asleep. That's that old Rocky. I still never quit Apollo. That's the classic. He still never gave up. Yes, you lose, but you never give up. That's his entire mantra. You better pray to the gods that Gunther goes on to be the second coming of Brock Lesnar. I mean, they have a hand in it, though. They could write it that way. But it may not take. We all know that. You know, like, we obviously can tell everyone very much wants Gunther to be the guy. And Gunther's really dope. And I really, I'm very fond of him. Great guy. Great talent. There's a lot there. Absolutely. I still think if you were going to make.

19:47I still think if you were going to make John Cena tap for the first time in history, maybe it shouldn't have taken him 20 minutes to beat pat mcafee that's just me that's just i mean we we want to be uber realistic right we want to be look gotta keep it consistent um i'm the king of keeping the energy some people will say i'm not but i try to keep the energy if gunther tapped out john cena pat mcafee should have lasted two and a half minutes and then been stretchered out there's no world in which John Cena and Pat McAfee actually what was the length of each match do you know I think Pat McAfee might have had the longer match I can check oh my SGG please don't please don't tell me no please don't I don't even think I want to know if that's the case but you are the stat man so I just I didn't need it SGG now would you have been okay if if Gunther gets the big win but Cena falls asleep and doesn't tap?

20:47No, because I feel like that does more for Cena than Gunther and he's on his way out. But why? Gunther still looks like the man. He still made him go to sleep. And the kids get to have this John Cena thing forever. Let's not act like wrestling ever ends. Are you stopping? I'm sorry. Is the John Cena merch going away? Are we going to stop promoting John Cena for the next 30 years? Let's have him continue to be the never give up guy. why can't he be the never give up guy forever why is everyone acting like his in-ring career ending is the end of john cena you're still selling me hulk hogan the man died a few months ago okay we're never going to stop selling this so why do we have to have him do this i give up i'm done his smile was better than yours you gotta give come on you gotta give no more aggressive it's true um so so did you find the numbers yet guther pat mcfee was 14 minutes long okay so maybe maybe the john cena wasn't that what do you what do you yes let me know let me know what the cena was my guess is cena was like 22 yeah i'm thinking i'm thinking it was around there early 20 some low 20 something like that um so then sug as for the smile tap i feel like we've been arguing over and over me and me and dip mostly about john cena's level of greatness and one of the things that i've always struggled with and i love the man he's a great great talent okay he is an all-time icon no he's not the greatest of all time in my opinion but he's very great the reason i always kept him off the mount rushmore sgg was about the wrestling stuff it was the in-ring stuff he takes me out of it sometimes yeah the way that when a count out is happening he jumps under the rope at the last second like all of a sudden he gets this burst of energy because he could never quite time things right the um the stfu looking like their arms aren't on the person's head right i'm glad you brought that up not to cut you off really quickly i thought that when cena was gonna was tapping he was telling gunther to like loosen up at first in real time because i was like because you know like you said cena doesn't hold the fcf you that snug the first sleeper that gunta had on him wasn't that snug was kind of loose and then the second one like tightened up a little bit so i thought cena was tapping to tell him like hey chill because cena also like listen we know he was calling that whole match well hold on calling the spots we're getting there that's there too so when it comes to cena the rush under the ropes to beat the count the stfu always looked at you know the stuff that he wore in the ring whatever i'm not some like purist who thinks you have to wear just trunks and boots but i will say the sneakers sometimes took me out a little bit just from like a it doesn't look like a sport when you're wearing sketchers as much especially when the sneakers not fly i'm definitely out yeah that doesn't help um sg's point you know the calling out spots loudly you know all of these things were clunky and to me who loved Bret Hart and Macho Man and really guys who were like workers workers his club I love Randy for example the other Randy or Orton the John's clunkiness to me was always an issue of why I held him from saying he's the best his last move in the ring of his career was a clunky unrealistic tap out that everyone's like you took me out of it like i i would just make this argument and you know again he's iconic there's no there's no question whatsoever this last run sgg of the last year was a chance for dip to win his argument of he's absolutely Mount Rushmore.

25:11And while he did some things that were really great in here, including the Cody match at SummerSlam, the AJ match in Perth, the Logan match in Paris, he did some really dope stuff. But SCG, I would argue this last year, Cena may have done more to help my argument than dips. yeah i mean he showed you some of the warts in this last year including the tap at the end what is the message of the smiling tap you can analyze it there are people who think oh maybe it was a subtle bleep you to someone or him showing discontent for the rock he'll turn i don't know we'll never know but it was weird sgg it was yeah it wasn't no subtle f you that's not cena to do like a subtle go into business for yourself f you i think right i think he was i think he was in his hollywood bag and he tried to make it like poetic like look the hero is finally accepting his fate and that's how i took it um and it came off you know people are not people not really messing with it people are not happy about the smile and tap because it's like like you said mr never gave up gave up and as poetic as people try to make it sound because i even said look he didn't give up he let go and he told us he was gonna let go and that was his final goodbye to the people not messing with it they're not buying it well well and that's back to the clunkiness because you you did something john did something that required a really really subtle touch and he's not a really subtle touch kind of guy no that's not what makes him like you know we you and i could talk about a lot of people yes it's a fun conversation who are the best actors like in the ring when it comes to the actual performance art of it really like the ones whose faces you really feel and and and that's never been john john's big eyes and big mouth open and whoa you people see this you know he's always been that he's it's not understated it never has been there's two people that come to mind when you have that conversation And we could probably do like a special episode or like an evergreen segment on this one, too, of like the best actors in wrestling.

27:51But the two people that jumped straight to the top of my head are two people who I say like are the two most influential wrestlers of all time, period. Like people could throw other people in the conversation and sure, there's elements of other people that are influential. But these two, I think, did more to shape what wrestling is since their time. and it's brett and sean and it's crazy because the way they would act is like two completely different performances two different types of acting that you would get out of it but those two i think are the best actors in wrestling because even where sean was over the top and like brett was like a more nuanced and like grounded and like realistic and how people would react every day to these scenarios i think that those two are the best actors in wrestling because either way like it hooked it hooked people it's it's so funny i was um i was thinking brett and sean as well yeah um but it's funny it's not like you think of either as being like when they talk the best actor ever even with sean even the i'm sorry i love you which is of course the best comp we can make here the i'm sorry i love you to to flare he did enough where it was slow and you could see it and it's deliberate but nuanced enough where you can believe it yeah he's like i have to do this and then he put him down and and it worked um i just feel that was never John's thing.

29:35Randy, again, Randy's much better at it. I wouldn't go considering Randy a thespian, but he is, there's something natural. It's just in there, you know? So I just, I think it's really interesting. To me, this last run of John Cena gave you everything. The good, the bad, the ugly, the touching, you know it just gave you absolutely all of the things that make him john cena yeah it was it was very representative of him um but i also don't know like dip is going to come on this show he just hit us up he said he's almost there dip is going to come on this show and he's going to eviscerate i'm sure everything that happened on saturday and then he's going to tell you he's hands down Mount Rushmore and there's no changing it.

30:35And again, that's why to me Dip's argument is a very Hollywood argument. It's appropriate for him because the best wrestler part has almost nothing to do with it. It's just biggest. And I guess when you do biggest, if your top four are the four biggest wrestlers of all time, I think he should be there. yeah right i mean yeah he's he's the wrestler of the century like the 20s the 2000s i mean all of it from from 2000 to now he is the wrestler of this century you go back last century you know rock is competing with hogan they compete with bruno like they got he's the one guy for this shoulders above everybody yeah and and i guess i think the four biggest of all time are hogan rock um austin cena i guess that's the four biggest i mean it was right again we're not counting bruno and and bruno was what people considered to be a pro wrestler for a very long time yeah bruno gets the asterisk a little bit too because that because like he was a territory unfortunately Hogan Rock, Austin Cena they were a lot if we discover the aliens we might find out they're intergalactic we don't know, Bruno was just in the northeast huge in the northeast what do they know about Bruno?

32:08but you're right and that's going to be the conversation we had this conversation last week on the podcast is Cena is there going to be an attempt for Cena to sort of replace Hogan on at the end you know it's interesting too Hogan never had a true retirement no because he was always angling for the next the next thing yeah his last match I think I just saw his last WWE match is him beating Randy yeah at SummerSlam at SummerSlam that's why he never had a true retirement because Ric Flair was willing to go down Stone Cold was willing to go down Batista was willing to lose Kurt Angle, everybody's willing to lose Shawn Michaels although Kurt's last match yeah, listen, the less we say about that the better, we're just talking about that he lost right now Hogan wasn't going to lose who was Kurt again?

33:15Was it Baron Corbin? Baron Corbin

33:20which by the way if they had done my man baron corbin right i wouldn't be mad at it yeah baron corbin baron corbin had a moment where i thought it was all about to happen same i was locked in on um on even when he went happy corbin i thought they could have went cash corbin with the alliteration cash corbin we were big on cash corbin you know baron corbin whatever happy corbin whatever yeah happy wasn't wasn't the move but when he was downtrodden yeah oh there was so much there there was so much there but anyways who was it who beat kurt happy i was just baron i think was this pre it was pre any of it it might have been constable it was pre any of it because this was 2019 yeah and the cash corbin i mean the happy corbin stuff was all like 2021 i think yeah um but yeah you're right i mean most people were willing to go down and hogan said no but i will tell you you listen there is something as much as i respect it more what the other guys did i don't hate that when you say what's the last match hogan had in wwe i don't hate that when you go back and watch it it's still a match where he looked like hulk hogan and beat the legend killer i'm not mad at that i from a from a respectful standpoint it's right in line with Hogan um but but this is where we are and listen Cena still wrestled like Cena he did not look markedly different than any other John Cena nah it was the same stuff for the most part and executed pretty well yeah like and that I guess that's that was what he wanted right that he could still play the hits and he could retire while he could still play the hits and then go out with people having a good final image of john cena except that that final image that people have of john cena like you said they do not like i didn't mind it but but people people do not like it but you admittedly you still didn't like the style of the tap you were just fine with him tapping out yeah i was fine with him tapping out like yeah i didn't like the style of the tap but i was like you know i get what they were going for and it's like he like he said in an interview recently people are gonna move on and i did it didn't take me three weeks i was you know because that's just three minutes yeah that's just the way it goes unfortunately sg we didn't talk much about the other stuff from saturnite's main event um what did you think about recent cheap heat alum obafemi's performance on the big stage i think he did great i really do like he looked like he belonged from the promo on monday it might have been friday but he had a promo with cody where they were face to face and then he did what he was supposed to do on saturday And as much as people hate Drew coming in, attacking Cody, and giving Cody the win, some people did predict that he would cost Cody the match.

36:27But either way, it was the perfect way to have Oba not lose, Cody not lose to Oba, and Drew's and Cody's feud is furthered. Like everybody won from that. I know we didn't get a decisive winner, but they're going to get back to that one day and it's going to be great. Yeah. It made me realize in that moment how much I'd like to see Drew and Oba. Yeah. It also reminded me, damn, Drew's a big mother effer. Yeah. He's bigger than Oba. Yeah. we've been in the we've stood next to drew you see drew all the time he's huge yeah as i i gotta tell you i was like i was i was taken aback i'm like damn drew really is freaking gigantic because i think of oba as being so big yeah and and and there was drew like i won't say towering but still big but yeah he had height advantage he just it was sometimes it's one inch sometimes it's it's more paws but he had the height advantage um i saw some of the internet picked up my question to triple h in the post show about we need to get brock lesnar and obafemi um but come on that's that that doesn't take rocket science yeah that's that's got to be the most appealing thing out there in like the immediate future for obafemi and you know yes that says a lot about oba that he's that mage that that's what you think but that's what i think and i i'm i'm with you like he looks like a monster right if if this saturday night's main event was about putting the pieces together for who the next guys are the future of the company um let's let's be real brock lesnar spot is going to open up soon you know some people are saying that Gunther is going to be in that spot but if we want a true like monster run through the roster like when his music hits the crowd is on their feet and the person in the ring has to like that's all than Gunther way more than Gunther way more than Gunther that's just Gunther doesn't have the same freakish athleticism though he's a good athlete um and he doesn't have the same intimidation factor though he's intimidating yeah because he you know because he took him 20 minutes with pat mcafee as we talked about this yeah um sol ruka beats bailey um let me we've never asked you this um where do you where do you fall on the soul snatcher sol ruka's finisher it looks incredible but i don't think she can do that for the for the rest of her career.

39:25Like there's going to come a point in her career where it's going to be like dirty deeds where like suddenly dirty deeds look completely different than the one we first saw. So maybe the soul snatcher will be something else or maybe she'll have a completely different finisher, but I don't see how she can continue to do that. Well, so that's one angle and that wasn't even the angle I meant. I meant where do you stand on the lack of realism because it requires the person to do so much? that's her thing though like she's like a video game like she's like a walking arcade game like all the flips and all the things that she can do so i don't i don't mind it as much because it's it's just as impressive as everything else that she does like when she's flying out of the ring and doing twips and twirls and she i think she was a gymnast so it's not realistic for the rest of the roster but like she does it with such ease that we just have to accept that it is realistic for her i just i just feel like some of these finishers that look awesomely athletic and these are ones that come from nxt i feel like you know semi-regularly like they're really dope looking but like it's so hard to make them look effective and you know i got i know that's really nerdy to like get into it in that way but i think it's also relevant you know i do think it listen we just talked about the realism part with john cena realism is a thing that we all care about it is a piece of the whole thing like when this thing's really good it's realistic um stephanie her corkscrew moonsault is is fire but like you also got to be able to land that clean and hit the person where you need to like when it hits the bottom of their legs it just doesn't come on fam it's hard but then you know they they can't kick out you took their legs out for them

41:19um what oh and what'd you think of uh javon and leon and in their match that was incredible i think of of all the nxt talents and tna um they they really showed out and putting them with aj and dragon lee um aka dragon styles i thought that was that was very smart to put them with those guys because they all just it was it was a fun quick high speed race to the finish type of match um everybody got this shit in yeah i thought it was good i thought it was great booking not to mention it's so great for all of us at this point that we get dragon lee on television regularly i mean i don't love the random tag teams getting thrown together but like dragon their matches have been so fire we didn't even talk about their new day match last week no the we didn't get any off the ropes into the styles clash that was bro the new day are still so valuable by the way yeah they are you know and like not to mention i love that without the titles too by the way like i don't oh yeah without the titles absolutely and i just love their commitment I absolutely love their commitment to being bad guys too I didn't think Kofi could I didn't think he could I'm not gonna lie what commit to being a bad guy because he's such a good guy yeah I didn't think he could do it I didn't think he had it in him like I know people try to do it you know but see by the way and that's that's to me like you talk about hall of famers you talk about doing everything well the new day now are going to go on this run for a long time right of being bad guys it's already been they just hit over a year yeah so we'll see how long they go um but when it's all said and done they will have done so much as bad guys and good guys like that to me is just the mark of greatness plus they're incredible in the ring they do it all they do need like a strong bad guy tag title run i don't think they need it right now um but yeah they they are incredibly effective right now as bad guys and kofi more so than i really thought he would ever be able to be um by the way speaking of bad guys i was happy to see nikki bella come get some get back on raquel and stephanie oh boy did she did you see the knot on raquel's head no yeah wait like the stairs yeah instantly too there's a clip oh they show her ringside and the knot is on her head ringside.

44:21And then backstage, she has the bandana on. She doesn't have the bandana on, but she's going to need it. Backstage, they show it, though. The knot is huge. That looks horrible. What did she not do? She didn't get her hand up? I guess, yeah. She just didn't get her hand up.

44:39Was Nikki too close? Oh, I don't know. I don't know what happens there as to why I gotta look up the picture is the not crazy yo it's it's insane it's like it's like something's growing out of the top of her head

45:02let me look it's one of those like do you remember Hasim Rahman yeah it's like that it's like that episode of Martin when he loses to Hitman Hearn. I'm looking at it right now. Oh, she cut a video. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

45:26That can't feel good. Well, at least she has a good spirit about it. Yeah, and, you know, she has a nice bandana collection already, so she's going to be fine. Well, it did say yesterday, it said she was put in concussion protocol. Damn.

45:45you know when i just watched it from a different angle like from the crowd it doesn't look unusual like you can't quite see that it looks much different than when someone gets thrown into the stairs yeah it didn't it looked it looked standard issue stand spot to me but then i saw the video and by the way this is a great example this is a great example of when we don't know fans i'm sure fans are speculating on it different ways we don't know who's supposed to do what we have no idea no it's the craziest thing about wrestling we analyze it as much as we can no idea what we're talking about but you know what is going to happen nikki bell is going to take the blame that's part of the game that's part of it that's part of it too that's what she's supposed to do i'm glad she got some comeuppance considering they had her go to she did raw the night after the last of survivor series and she goes out you remember to interrupt stephanie and she's walking and steph and raquel just comes and destroys her and that was it i was like oh you're not no we can't do nikki like this so i guess this means we'll get a oh it'll be january 5th huh yeah it'll be january netflix so let me see let's see if um january 5th raw i wonder if it's going to get its own wikipedia page you know what i mean it should they they're calling it like the the one year anniversary netflix raw netflix raw anniversary i wonder how they're really it seems like they're trying to really make this a thing they are building to it ple style because um you know why braun and punk are on raw every week but this challenge has to go down next year he challenged him i think in november yeah you're right that was no but for next for next year we gotta do it like what no they're making it a big thing and and remember we don't have anything until the end of january at the rumble so yeah they're going to treat between december 13th they have between december 13th and and what is it january 31st yeah that's that's a big gap so you get the anniversary episode which is at barclay center in brooklyn which is pretty cool um you get braun and cm punk they added um the women's tag team championship match by the way can i tell you something oh god I don't know.

48:17This won't be popular. What do I say? I'll tell you on the other side. We'll take a break. We'll see if Dipperstein shows up to the radio show. We'll grab Dip. And on the other side, I'm going to tell you a take about the women's title match. The Kabukis versus Io and Rhea. I have a take. It may not be popular with some of the big wrestling purist types or the hardcore internet. Let me not say wrestling purist. The internet wrestling fan may not love this take, but it needs to be said. We'll get to that next. of course send your emails rosenbergwrestling at gmail.com if you want to hit us on any of the social media platforms I'm at Rosenberg Radio he's at stat guy Greg the cheap heat pod on Instagram give us a follow and we will be right back with more cheap heat live and we'll get back to the John Cena conversation all here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 happy holidays

49:36Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to our two GP live pro wrestling nation 24 seven. and amelio's gonna get upset that the shadows have changed at this house you know the things that bother the things that amelio worries about sometimes about like the continuity of our video i i i love him for caring and i think he's a complete psycho i'm like i do you think i who is noticing this the sun and now that you bring it up though the sun is hitting you all wrong right now no the sun's it's it's a it's a bad situation what am i gonna do i'm gonna change it i can move over tell the son tell the son to stay still i mean as emilio's gonna gonna have a problem with this here we go i'm moving over folks i'm moving over so emilio will be happier here we go he's but pete it's an inconsistent look because in the first hour in the first hour you you only had this behind you now you have something else behind you um all right guys welcome back to the program you know how we do it uh rosenberg wrestling at gmail.com or you can hit us on uh instagram cheap heat pod i'm now told dipperstein will be joining us in a few minutes i mean it's like we got to get that countdown like uh they had beside the main event john cena's last match dipperstein's first appearance finally coming on the show now can i have a piece of cheese natalie natalie and i stopped we're in this little vermont town and we stopped at a general store last night to get a few items and she spent a hundred dollars what wait what were what were the few items did you actually leave with the few items and then she got black truffle cheddar cheese that's not the cheese but do we need black truffle cheddar i'm not a truffle guy so i would immediately i respect i respect the black part but the truffle part i'm not rolling with you can't trick me.

51:32Hold on. This is not the black truffle cheddar, I'm told. This is some other situation. The black truffle cheddar is for her. You get the general store vermouth. The general store cheddar. Here we go. Exactly.

51:51Is it good, though? With the black current jam? Okay. Okay. Oh, y 'all fancy. jam and cheese why you're not wrong but how is that fancy look it's not fancy it is though it is when I'm feeling fancy I do go jam and cheese also I go like a fig jam with a slice of cheese maybe goat cheese fig jam isn't that funny though that like there's really nothing there's nothing less fancy than jam and cheese on crackers like crackers and cheese is nothing and yet and yet for some reason when you're acting fancy it does feel like that is that is what being fancy is because it's a pairing once once you can start to say oh i'm doing a pairing oh yeah it's fancy like oh crackers and cheese while that is actually a pair nobody gives a shit about crackers and cheese let's just be real like that's a struggle that's a struggle snack crackers and cheese like you need it in a pinch crackers and cheese you throw some jam in and now you have a pairing and the cracker becomes the vehicle for the pairing and because it's a pairing and you could throw around the word pairing which i've done many times in the last moment yeah that makes it fancy and and and don't even let there be a second kind of cheese or wait a piece of salami now we got charcuterie yeah and now you now you now you're really fancy so yeah take it back crackers and cheeses fancy you you were fancy and that was like you said a black currant jam oh the black currant jam was popping yeah because see if it's just jelly or like strawberry jam you're not you need like an exotic fruit so you need like a really great point you add the exotic sounding fruit to the jelly and you call it jam oh you want to talk exotic hold on what is that is there salami on there salami cheese jam cracker he changed y 'all Vermont has changed him this is who I am this is how Vermont he gets down Vermont has changed him I got Vermont cheddar I'm living this Vermont life right now in case you were wondering what the loss of his job and how 97 was going to do the Rosenberg's the wealth is still wealthy over here you thought I was going to get less wealthy when I lost the job this is goat milk cheese and I'm going to wash it down with the finest Cambodian breast milk that's right by the way another one of those classic Chappelle jokes that just lasted the test of time and is built into your vernacular just because that's the era we lived in yeah now he put up a bunch of hits in that short time was it two seasons two seasons i think because that third season we don't i don't really count it wait what why what was wrong with the third season it was like lost sketches it was half as many episodes you know i get it they had to like fill the time it didn't have as many hits on it it was just you know contractual that was when he was done and they were just generating a season out of it right yeah i get the little contractually obligated season that they had to do but all right babe thank you that's a great snack you just gave me what i needed for hour two by the way this is the only wrestling show the only wrestling show where the host is being fed charcuterie as he starts to break down.

55:40Thank you. You saw that dance moves in the background too? No, it's all happening here. It's holiday season, folks. The fam's here. We got to wake up Maya soon. They thought the only goat we was going to talk about today was John Cena. No, no. We have goat milk cheese as well. All right. So I said I had an unpopular, what I thought could be an unpopular take. Oh, hold on. Wait, hold on. Oh, got to wash it down.

56:13Is that a Sauvignon Blanc? No, no, no. I'm having a rosé with the charcuterie, I should be. That's the way. By the way, middle of the day. That's why they call me Peter Rosenberg. By the way, not a lot of people. The same person that called you Peter Rosenberg was the one who called Ella Cool J Big Ellie. They call me Pete Rosen. you're saying no one calls him big la and no one calls me big pete rose no ludicrous had one too i can't remember what the ludicrous line was when he said like oh they call it something they call me they call me big i was like nobody has ever said that what they call him i forget what it was i'm gonna i'm gonna try to remember it and text it to you but ludicrous had one and i'm high as giraffe is that the line i think so that's when he goes hey yo my name's ludicrous and i'm tall as giraffe i think that's that's a different one there's what i was like nobody's ever said that not a lot of people get terminated from a job immediately go up to a fancy cabin on the lake and just start drinking rose but maybe that's you just started something that's the way it should be done i may have just heard the first scream from the baby oh and sgg i'm gonna tell you about the bidet they have in here natalie we gotta write down the brand this is how i live now the warmth of the toilet seat but wait for it when you hit the what there's a remote okay when you hit the wash and dry button it's like you took your ass to the car wash i think i might have this bidet actually you personally yeah you have a remote yeah yo guys don't ever it's like three heat like three heat settings you can do like low you can you can uh you can customize like so there's like two little people on the bottom so like i set my modus preset i go in there i hit number two and this preset for like well we know you're hitting number two sg that's why you need a a day in the first place big dad joke big dad joke energy that wasn't a dad joke i'm person number two on the remote um it has like the angle it has the dry in life and in the household and i'll just say this i'm excited for you to be a dad so you can know what it's like to truly be number three so so you think you may have this one yo is it really comfortable the warmth is like incredible yeah it's like wash and dry function who'd you get to hook it like set it up for you i set it up i just put it up i just put together it wasn't that hard to do no you got to run the toilet water to the seat and then the seat to the yeah but like that was easy because it came with like a little little tube i connected the tube to the toilet water and that was it though the hard part was finding an outlet near the near the toilet which did not exist we had to have somebody put one there oh you got electricity to the room yeah no there was electricity in the room but just like an outlet by the toilet where the bidet can plug into was not it got it got it now this is all this is all stuff to dream about for the future the whole layout in this place we're staying this whole room you know the speakers sg the the vibe in here when you turn the music on So they have a Bluetooth.

59:44So those are these 1970s JBLs they have. So they have old school, properly connected speakers, but their amp and receiver is a Bluetooth joint. So you're still playing Spotify, et cetera, but in the end, it's running from the Bluetooth to the proper JBL speakers. so you still get that warmth. You know what I mean? Yeah. So listen. That sounds like an audiophile's dream right there. Oh, no, this room is fantastic. Dip won't understand anything about this. He won't appreciate the bidet. He won't appreciate the speakers. There he is. Dip. Dip. What's it called, babe? If anyone's looking to stay at this place, by the way, it's called Hinter.

1:00:36Google Hinter, H-I-N-T-E-R. It's their Shadow Lake house. I'm going to take Tip right out. He's not ready. We waited an hour and a half for you to get on the mic and just start crinkling bags and eating. That's what we're doing? I'm taking medicine. Okay. We'll get back to you. Take your time. Jesus Christ. How about don't turn on the mic and camera till you finish with the medicine. This guy's a lunatic. You get one big sign on an episode of Raw that says, then, now, forever, Dipperstein. And the guy wants to show up and just start eating immediately. We're doing a radio show. This is the number one sports and recreation broadcast and radio show in the world today.

1:01:26A double-sided sign, though, would have me acting different also. I got to say, it's true. In Dipper's defense. So we haven't said one thing about wrestling in this segment. The one thing I was going to say was Eoskai's happiness is messing up the whole thing for me, bro. Really? I don't. Her and Rhea just like happy, happy, smile, smile, little kid, best friend. Yay. I don't feel it. I don't it's actually sucking the toughness out of Rhea to me I don't know I'm not I'm not really I like that they have a friendship cool and there'll be an opportunity now for them to tell more of a story together but I'm just like I'm not into their happy-go-lucky entrance you know what I mean it's just not not working for me I think that that's just supposed to be our signal that they're good guys like the happy smiley no nuance we can't have any nuance at all i know that they're good guys you're right you're right you know i know they're good guys because they wrestle the bad guys i'm hoping that them going so far with it makes an eventual turn if we get the turn like if if they go down that route of somebody turning i'm hoping that them going so far with the smiley we love each other provides a strong contrast so listen dipperstein has taken his medicine he's he's eating he's eating his snack he's prepared and dip we've been waiting to hear from you sug and i both had our moment but it's your it's your time look i just think at the end of the day he should have won i mean i don't know what profoundness you were looking for here you know um that was it um he should have won the match i i think ultimately you don't want crying children, which is what you got.

1:03:20And I understand you got to put Gunther over as this big, massive heel and, you know, leading into mania. And, you know, he's got to be the, you know, the, he's got to get the reaction that frankly he did on Monday. And I understand that. But ultimately I think that John Cena supersedes the rule of, you know, has to retire losing or has to put over the other guy we're losing. I just, he is, why because you base an entire episode of a show around his retirement only to have every kid buy the merch and come and do and all the families waiting to see the guy with his hand raised and then he loses i mean i you guys were i mean peter you weren't in the building uh greg greg you were you weren't there i was sitting right in the front like watching the crowd react it was oh my god i i've never been in it i've never been in a crowd where they reacted like that whether positive or negative i've never seen anything like we didn't get to this i i heard them discussing this earlier this week on the channel and other places i believe the reaction to cena's loss crushed the the brock undertaker loss oh for sure it was it was crazy it's crazy crazy crazy reaction i have to say this real quick just throw this in there if you are over the age of 15 years old and you thought that cena was going to walk out with his hand raised you deserve every bit of disappointment that you felt on that night i guess but but greg just i think they underestimated like here here's the thing i i do i do agree with dip on that i will say that i do think dip is right i'll let you get your get it in dip but like i know sug you and i have not been on the same side about this i don't think they quite realized how badly it would be received yeah if you base an entire episode i mean entire year but truly if you hype a last match for months and months and it's the biggest thing and it's like you know the gate is enormous and there's every kid on earth is there and everyone's wearing the outfit and everyone's cheering and all these things i just think the john cena retirement episode of television requires a win at the end not a loss i it just so he doesn't trust me on this no i just i disagree with you i i do not think it required win at all yeah i just think it required people no i'm not wrong you are wrong it's a retirement yo you get your watch you eat your cake and get the fuck out of there and we like it's the same thing okay so we're somewhere between and this is where i knew i told you i'd be between suj dip ristine is wrong that he needed to win but i think you're dip i think you're oversimplifying it people just didn't want to go home miserable he could have lost and they could have found a way to not end the show yeah that's true that's true how about a how about a really cool two-minute speech i would have liked the speech i the first thing i said i said he's not going to say anything?

1:06:29How about a fun how about a fun mania like Schmazeru during the match where fun stuff happens? Something fun. The one thing me and SGG disagree on. I'm fine with him losing. I get that part. I hate the tap. We'll let you speak to that in a minute. We talked about that hour one but I want to hear from you on it. Hate the tap fine with him losing. I just don't know why the reason I love wrestling and think it's great and we all do is When I watch my football team, I've had to deal with a year where the commanders were supposed to be good and they just sucked. Injuries, losing misery. The reason we love wrestling is we don't spend money for a ticket and leave miserable.

1:07:16That's the whole thing. You don't leave miserable. I don't understand. And, Dip, I think this is one of the greatest points I've ever made in the history. A lot of people are saying it's not just me that this is one of the greatest points ever made. John Cena is one of the least realistic characters in the history of wrestling and yet his finale had to be perfectly real why why all of a sudden is he Mr. Realism he was super Cena he was never realistic and on his way out it has to be like well that's what happens in sports you gotta lose bad I don't get it before dip jumps and jumps to his answer this idea that we don't leave miserable that's some we that is made up that's made up that's not that's not true how often do we leave miserable from wrestling shows a lot a lot you think the people that saw andre the giant beat hulk hogan because of the twin ref at saturday night's minimum and then hand the belt to ted dibiase you think they left happy that's fair the people that saw brock lesnar um squash john cena not this year 10 years ago you think they left happy people leave disappointed all the time because you got to get those ebbs and flows you think the crowd in Montreal saw Brett get screwed and they were happy it's an extreme case but like those shows that you named all had more than three other matches featuring wrestlers that a lot of people in the building didn't know very well yeah but also forgetting all the other matches wowed people they got they got a show forgetting for you're forgetting the fact that all of the things that you just mentioned had a story i mean this had none this is just the entire the tournament's not a story no no i agree i'm not okay okay i was just saying like all of those things were part of a storyline you left miserable because the story was going in a way that that hurt the baby face this is just the guy the entire crowd the entire crowd is there to sit to walk out with their slapping their kids hands and holding up their signs or whatever.

1:09:20And it just ends with him getting choked out. I mean - That's entitlement. That's entitlement. You show up to slap your kid's hands and be happy on the way out. Like you go for a show and the show makes you feel how you feel. Not every show, this show. I'm not talking about other shows. I'm down to be disappointed by squash matches and belts changing hands, being handed to the heel. I'm down for all that, but that's story. This is just literally like the guy choked out. you know, I had a great time there. Don't get me wrong. It was an amazing night in every way, shape and form. Like God bless.

1:09:53I'm glad I was there. But, but the guy gets choked out and then like, I don't even like the boots, the ceremonial boots thing. That wasn't really even a thing either. Like everyone was so like, I can't believe what I just witnessed that no one even paid attention to the fact that he was putting the boots in the, in the thing. Everyone was just like looking at each other. Like, Oh God, the sound. Yeah. So I watched from the outside where our, where our, let me interrupt you for one second, Greg, if you were in the crowd, you would have been the only one reacting differently. By the way, everyone was like the same, but it's, I wouldn't just be, I just wouldn't have hard feelings about it.

1:10:31But wait, but the thing is, it is hard. Everyone's experience taking it in is different. You know what I'm saying? And I pointed this out to SGG and I'm not saying it's a mic drop, but SGG was offered a ticket and didn't make the trip from Philly. dip bought airfare and flew across the country these are different levels of commitment to what this show is so our feelings are all going to be affected by the level of commitment we put into the show dip you mentioned it though the show itself the countdown show the post show the overall feel was one of the best produced events they've we've ever done like it was great i was getting texts from people who often have a lot to complain about saying like wow this countdown show feels like a big deal like this is a an occasion the giant john cena in the like it was awesome it was beautiful it was awesome the way the crowd looked all the way down i street like it looked awesome it felt great and i'll tell you what dc is constantly shit on in the grand scheme of things of big wrestling markets no one remember feel that way no one remembers that wwf started in dc territory no one capital it was before ww capital wrestling capital wrestling yeah exactly vincent j mcmahon started capital wrestling in washington dc it was the perfect place between the the south and everything up north it's a huge wrestling market baltimore too.

1:12:03Baltimore and D.C. are big, big wrestling towns, and I thought D.C. showed out completely, which is all the more reason where I wish like, I don't know, I don't know what you could have done. I'm going to throw something crazy out here. Maybe you can't do it after something so big. Could there have been like a surprise dark match main event for like a title, like something awesome for the live crowd? I wanted a parade. I was looking for a parade. A full parade. I wanted a parade with floats and everything no one left the building as if they were expecting something else mage to happen like no one could believe it expecting the rock's music to hit that's always what it is the rock or anything else I mean here's the thing guys if he would have like spoken for 20 minutes and did an emotional how much wrestling means to him and us and what a community we are and like I am so grateful and said to be on your Mount Rushmore and I I this is, you know, being called the greatest of all time for the last year of my career has been an amazing, you know, the greatest experience of my life and all these things.

1:13:10Thank you so much for coming. You know how many times we need to hear him say that, though. He said that all the time. It had been a while, though, Greg, it has been a while. But what I can't I mean, I understand the contrarian funness of this conversation. But I got to tell you, I mean, besides wrestlers, I haven't heard anybody feel this way. There isn't a single wrestling fan I've heard that felt like that was the right thing to do. I don't know. Oh, no. There are a lot of this channel. You haven't been listening. I'm talking about my friends and group chats and stuff. I guess, yes, I've heard wrestlers and other wrestling people in the wrestling community talk about it.

1:13:51but like just regular like people that are like fans and friends i just everyone was like i can't believe what i just saw anyway look here's the deal i have moved on from this already oh wow yeah i have not i have moved on i love john cena john cena is on my mount rushmore of wrestling i know nothing affected it every terrible mistake now last year you hit the nail on the head you said i would say this yes i still went down the same exact road he dropped dropped the ball multiple times when he could have solidified himself as the true true goat and but it didn't affect anything with i didn't say he's the true goat i said he's on the mount rushmore okay but and and the mount rushmore of most famous wrestlers the mount rushmore of most mage most mage but you're not including the wrestling part of it because you don't really even enjoy is wrestling, but keep going.

1:14:43I just said most mage. I don't know. You interpret it. I've known you for 15 years. You interpret it in age however you'd like. It doesn't involve the actual wrestling part, but go ahead. Keep going. Most mage. So, like, most muscular. Like, Rick Rude was one of the most muscular. He claimed to be. He's Rick Rude was the said, I'm the most muscular. He was most muscular I would say in that era, maybe Don Morocco was the most muscular. Yeah, but he was the most cut, though. No one was more cut than Rick Rude. You don't think anyone was more cut? nah body fat lowest body fat in ww history i'll say you're claiming lowest body fat i think i think rick rude had the single best body mass index in the history of the business yeah i would love to be my champion i would love to talk to somebody about this um but we we're not surprised to hear this but at the same time it's it's troubling let's take a break come back with more dipperstein um we want to get your thoughts on other things that have happened throughout the week and we we haven't even all we really did was talk about saturnette's main event a touch of raw but where are we going guys we we have we have the raw netflix anniversary show coming up we have the royal rumble immediately after that we got it's time for our royal rumble speculation as we head into the holidays to go full bore.

1:16:05So we'll do that next as well. Cheap Pete Pod on Instagram, Rosenberg Wrestling at gmail.com. If you want to email us, we'll be back with more Cheap Pete Live right here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Santa Claus is what you make of Santa Claus. In the morning, your kids, when you got up and you saw them gifts down there, it was given to you by someone that loves you a whole lot, that spent a whole lot of time outside and buying gifts and getting them and reindeers and little else, whatever you want to think, Somebody that loved you a whole lot. Put them gifts under that tree. Not some idiot that was just here that was dressed in a phony hair and a phony.

1:16:44Shut up! Shut up when I'm talking! I ain't putting up with this anymore. I have children. I know what it means not to have toys. I know what it means to have toys. And I ain't putting up with some idiot like this. There is a Sandy Claus. and as long as I'm around, there will remain a Sandy Claus. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It's GP Live, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 as we close things out. Peter Rosenberg here in Vermont with Maya the Baby. Maya, thoughts? Okay. She wants to know where you are, Dipperstein. She hasn't seen you in a long time. I know. I know. By the way, this is a completely different baby than last time I saw this baby.

1:17:28Oh, last time in person? yeah like oh yeah yeah like you're at that stage where what has it been six months yeah four or five months yeah yeah this is in september september yeah i think september august okay that's like four months yeah um i i'm trying to like i know they're making baby zins now should i bring the baby some baby zins some mini zins maybe maya maya do you want to dip or do zins maybe maybe some baby zins that would be a fun thing like like when we were kids and they had and they had the the bubble gum the cigarette cigarettes we're gonna candy zins are the new thing oh yeah all the kids are doing candy zins yeah candy zins and the special rosenberg flavor you immediately vomit right when you take them yeah um all right so dip one thing i didn't get to at all with sgg is we welcome everyone to the holiday season here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7.

1:18:28Shout out to the busties that went down the other night. Make sure you go watch that on demand. You can watch it. You can listen to it. But all those awards were given out. Now, are we giving out an award next year for the reveal of Austin Theory as the masked man? I think the idea that Austin Theory is finally going to get a push or going to get his moment in the spotlight is so mage. I've been in on this guy for years, as you know, ever since I saw him on the wrestling. documentary um which i thought was an incredible documentary if you go back and watch that um he was one of the featured people on it but uh you know i never thought austin theory ever had his day in court that said not sure i would have shaved his head not sure i i like the new look we'll have to see what it looks like but i i think that he i wish it would have revealed itself in a different way um you know i i don't know that was that didn't hit right it didn't as we all just knew it well it was too obvious i i just every everybody knew it i wish by the way i wish they would have called an audible and made it grace and waller that would have been that would have been interesting right because no one was expecting that no one was expecting that i i want things like that can we get something like that the man let me tell you something and i'm I'm going to say this right now.

1:19:50All these people that have been listening to me know that this is something that I would have been excited about. Okay. I've been holding on to the man in the black hood and the black mask for weeks now as basically the, the one thing I'm dying to see what happens with. There's nothing I like more than a mystery. So the entire, like, you know, first of all, whoever's leaking the idea, whoever leaked that this is awesome, that it was awesome. is repugnant repulse a repulsive person okay the idea that that would have ever end up on the internet is disgusting filth garbage i truly don't get it by the way i've never understood it but who would want to leak that information what lunatic who hates wrestling who hates our country no these people would want to leak this information life to work there and then they work there and want to mess things up all we want is a surprise it's repulsive anyway the fact that the the the cat was out of the bag weeks ago on this should that should have made them say oh we got to switch course and make it grace and waller but uh anyway i'm i'm i'm half joking on the flip side i guess that means they actually really believe in it being austin theory and there's a reason it's going to be austin theory and we're going to go somewhere yeah i love it i'm i'm i love the idea that austin theory is getting his day in court that said i wish it would have been a little bit more climactic um but uh i would have liked to have seen it run for for a while and you know different now they're like the mystery like get a little bit more layered i guess now we'll find out what's going to happen here though like what is the what is the new austin theory character mean the idea if he just joins the vision then that's it but he needs to have a character he needs to have a motivation what does austin theory want what is he looking for anyway what what does it mean on a contract where after you sign your name by it says it's does that just mean you put your name in print say that again on a contract it says signed by it says by and you sign your name but then under there's another line and it says it's it's does that mean you just put your government name yeah it's just print it yeah i'm gonna take your word for it um yeah i i was a little bit underwhelmed and i will i will say this has been the number one issue you people have a lot of complaints about the product these days i understand some of it i think warranted some not warranted whatever the number one thing that i think is warranted is that everything that gets rumored is what happens.

1:22:40I know. I don't remember the last time where it was so, oh, you hear this one's winning, they win. You hear this match is happening, it happens. Everything's been like that. A couple things I did like from Raw this week. I liked the Nikki Bella attack then backstage. Finally, she sounded... Wait, you mean at the ring? She did a little backstage like shit talking at the, you know, afterwards. And I thought it was like, you know, she just, she's such a legend. She's so great. She's so awesome to see back, but it just, I need a little, I said this, I think a few weeks ago, she needs a little force in her voice just to just, just a little bit of oomph.

1:23:23Anyway, we got the oomph this week and I, and I, and I, I don't know. I like the idea of her, the her and Raquel or her versus the judgment day. I don't know. Maybe they'll eventually get back to her and live. Whatever. But the idea of Nikki back in the picture was, I don't know, a nice little thing to see. And then I don't think I don't think Raquel and Stephanie without Nikki is terribly interesting. Like, I don't. But like, what do we get? Do we get like a three way between Nikki, Bella, Liv Morgan and Stephanie? No, no, no. You mean you mean Raquel? Raquel, Stephanie, Nikki. Yes. No. Yes. No.

1:24:02I mean, live. why because Liv confronted her backstage a couple weeks ago and they're sort of building to that in some capacity yeah but well but the but the but Nikki called out Raquel Nikki called out Stephanie after Stephanie beat her then Raquel went after Stephanie then Raquel and Stephanie's match was interrupted by Nikki I know but I think I think they're like so I'm sensing like a royal rumble match between Stephanie and Liv potentially rumble match between maybe a triple threat or something no no yeah well you're skipping ahead because we have january 5th okay so january 5th i think will be a triple threat between raquel stephanie and nicky maybe maybe lives in that live is is the stephanie foe am i misjudging that maybe yes live and stephanie are on their way but if they're waiting for that if they want them to get a singles match then they would hold for that and it wouldn't be on January 5th oh okay I mean I don't understand I don't know I don't know good wait wait we're talking about it sounds good but I mean but the Raquel Raquel Stephanie match was interrupted by Nikki they've now the three of them have now circled around each other multiple times I understand Liv has the long-term play because she wants the title but no I think that's later yes I don't know okay that's my um and uh I gotta be honest I'm I'm I'm the even though like the Usos will be like.

1:25:30Big time baby faces as a tag team, I'm kind of glad we're cooling it off a little bit with Jay. I'm finally like, oh, I mean, the eating is fun. We love the eating, but I'm ready to stop eating. It sounds like you're ready to stop eating. I'm ready to chase. Well, I'm fine. I think like a slight cool off is not a terrible thing. And the two of them being a dominant tag team again is a good move. I hope it leads to the two of them feuding again. Well, yeah. I mean, you're saying that because what we really wanted was Jimmy to get a push. And that didn't happen. I was literally just about to say, I hope this leads to a Jimmy main event run again.

1:26:13Or not again. Now. I got to tell you, it's a fascinating thing that Jimmy hasn't gotten the moment. like I just I I'm ready for Jimmy to get the moment I he seems so ready and poised for the moment um I I think there's a world guys I know this sounds crazy I I'll say it again I've said it before the Jimmy thing could be bigger than the J thing it could be bigger as big as the J thing was the Jimmy thing could be better I I think he's I think he's definitely a better promo I think he's better in the ring there but i mean i'm not saying by my leaps and bounds in the ring but i really think that like jimmy as i've said he's him he could really be the guy but we're not getting that so to your point i do agree you have to remove jay at some point from the title picture he can't just always be everything must go through jay uso at every single point it doesn't it doesn't make sense and by the way no let's just talk about how crazy this is to to circle back as we wrap things up to the cena of it all you have gunther you have gunther beat cena and make him tap he spent 14 minutes trying to beat pat mcafee he was he was choked out by jay uso at wrestlemania yeah it's just a weird it's like if we wanted gunther to be the most dominant guy of all time who's going to kill John Cena.

1:27:46Shouldn't we have also realized that, Dip, going back? Maybe he should have won a WrestleMania. Maybe he should have crushed Pat McAfee. He definitely should have crushed Pat McAfee. I understand Jay getting the title at some point made sense, but I just don't know that that altogether makes perfect sense. Now, we didn't talk about this part with you, Dip. I was saying, and I understand this is a harsh criticism, and I get it. I'm not trying to change your impact. I'm not trying to change your thoughts on his impact. And in fact, I probably agree with for the way you break down Mount Rushmore, I actually don't have a problem with Cena being there.

1:28:22The way you view it, it makes sense. He is there. However, to me, as from the wrestling side, as someone who's loved John Cena, he's the reason I got back into wrestling, but I've always been critical of his in-ring work. how poetic is it that the last thing he ever did in the business was a clunky unrealistic tap out that nobody likes i mean i think come on purpose okay did you like it and you know i didn't like it what was so why was it on purpose then that i don't believe on purpose it was on purpose to do a smiling thing but what sgg and i talked about earlier was i think if he wanted to do like a smiling this poetic like it's over now i'm free tap that's what it was but but but i understand this is a harsh criticism that required an acting nuance he doesn't have in the ring that's not him he doesn't have that nuance yeah i'm sorry can i say that his his entering career is over we can be honest about that you know i i made the point earlier to sgg you weren't here Shawn Michaels who again Shawn Michaels can never go to Hollywood and be the actor John Cena is in film and television but when it comes to wrestling performance and acting that's different Shawn knew the exact perfect amount to give you with the I'm sorry I love you where you felt it it felt real enough the smile tap was like what is what happened what just happened yeah Yeah.

1:30:01I like Lash Legend. Okay. Nothing like having a wrestling conversation with Dip. I go on, make compelling points. I just go, yeah, I like Lash Legend. Let me just talk to myself then. Let me just, what else is there to say about the tap? He had the thing. He got the meme. He got the meme with the funny meme with his head with the thing. It's a great meme. One of the great memes. It's not just me saying it. Everyone's saying. is that what we wanted that was the goal was a meme on the we got a great we got a meme mocking a mocking meme it's a mocking it's a it's a making fun of me and then and then he's it was the i'm fading off into heaven into the sunset i'm tapping and i'm smiling as i do it and thank you everybody and that's it that was what it was and you don't agree with my assessment though that it required a bit of nuance it just wasn't there in that moment i i think that then i don't know i i don't think i i think that it sort of had the nuance i'm not saying i like the nuance the nuance was I'm not going to tap like I'm in pain.

1:30:58I'm going to tap like I'm going out gracefully. Thank you very much, crowd. And that was the nuance. And again, the point that I made to SG earlier. Are we going to stop selling John Cena merch? No. Are we going to stop selling the fact that John Cena is the greatest of all time? No. Are we going to stop mentioning that never give up? No. So why did he tap? I know. Why not just have him go to sleep? I know. why i disagree with you he should have lost he didn't need to tap out there's no he's the never give up guy he gave up we don't need the perfect realism and poetic end that now i agree a thousand percent i'm just saying that's your as far as like the new ones like that's what he was trying to accomplish and he did that i don't think he did i think he accomplished what was that people dip people are analyzing what it was there are people who think and i don't think this is i I agree with SGG.

1:31:54I don't think this is John Cena. There are people who thought it was so weird that they thought it was like a subtle FU to someone in the company. Like he was trying to take a shot. No way. I agree. It was not. I don't know that's who he is. He would not go into business for himself like that in a moment like that. I really don't think he would. But my point is, that's how odd a moment it was. Like, if he just went to sleep, we don't have to have this conversation. How about this? How? Well. I also just felt like there's a world in which Gunther continues the beat down. And instead of having everyone awkwardly come out the way they did, Punk and Cody's music hits and they come out, they run out.

1:32:36At least the crowd gets a thing at the end. Yes. And by the way, can we, I know I, someone posted the clip that John Cena and I think Batista or someone did this with Hogan. can we giving him the belts at the end it's so dumb why why is he getting a belt they should have also brought out the rocks Muhammad Ali belt bring out all the belts give him all the belts he's already won them he just had the title he didn't need Cena didn't in the moment need look buddy you too could have the title he was just champion I know I know I'm sorry. Yeah, I know. You've run out of gas. You did five minutes on this world.

1:33:25Okay. Yeah, because I because let me tell you something besides my besides my job. Okay, this is the thing that I have been talking about most for the last few days. Every person on the face of the earth wants to ask me or talk about the John Cena thing. You know, I've moved on already. I watched Raw. I wasn't on Raw. That's it. It's done. You're moving on. All right. I've moved on. I moved on to Lash Legend. And what are your thoughts on Lash Legend? I don't know. She feels like something. For sure, dude. Yeah, I like her. I'm just saying I'm a Lash Legend guy. All right. Yeah. Well, I think Lash Legend is great.

1:34:05I'm a Lash Legend guy. I'm worried. I was so excited for Aleister Black to come back and I found myself watching wrestling this week very worried. Can we do something with him? here's what i'm saying no no i don't think they're going to they should i know we need midcard guys but i gotta tell you alistair black the guy is a great wrestler in my opinion i enjoy him i think he's a great wrestler for sure i think we need like a full-blown gimmick change for alistair black even though he looks like an evil they're just lord they're just getting to him and and the and zelena together i know let them change their thing there it's like they're going right towards the guy, the Killer Cross.

1:34:47It's like I'm just watching Killer Cross and Scarlet again. I did sort of feel the same way. Why am I watching this again? They need to do something. This doesn't, it's not working. You know how much I love macabre. These are two good macabre characters. You love macabre. I love macabre, one of the biggest macabre guys. The MFTs and the Wyatts, this is now my second favorite storyline in wrestling. but I'm by the way dip things that Cena's retirement should have been the Wyatt's show up absolutely I would have loved that I gotta tell you I ran into Tala Tonga in DC oh you ran into Tala Tonga he is taller than me that's all I have to say you figured out why he's getting the Tala thing altogether he is Tala I am shorter there's no question he is Tala that was a horrifying dad joke for a man who is not a dad so dip are you gonna be going to brooklyn for the january 5th show no absolutely actually what am i saying you're gonna go should i do that no no no actually you shouldn't you gotta calm down i need to calm down yeah you gotta fly you're gonna fly to brooklyn for raw now why don't you just i gotta be in i got hey i gotta be in uh i gotta be in New York on January 6th.

1:36:11Is that true? Confirmed. Oh, well, in that case, then yeah, maybe you should. You and the travel, by the way, if you don't get an airline that you stick with, dude, like, what are you doing? What am I supposed to do? By the way, I had a United flight. United is horrible. I fly United all the time. I hate it. I fly in the Florida all the time. I I very rarely have issues. But do you be honest? Do you even like put in for your miles? Yes, I put into the mile. You do get the miles. But but but miles aren't. They don't equate to what they used to equate to. No years ago. I know. Years ago, I'm booking a free ticket with twenty five thousand miles.

1:36:59Now it's one hundred and twenty five thousand miles. Then then by the miles don't change. It's the same amount of miles. So it's like, it's a joke. Everyone's like, Dipperstein, how do you not have upgrades at this point? How do you not do this? I don't know how people get to the point of having upgrades. I know. I'm like, upgrades? I have maybe accumulated, I don't know, 13 ,000 miles on United. That gets me$70 off a ticket. But by the way, I will tell you, though, and I'm not saying I'm not good at it either. But that is because you're not, you have to fully commit. It's like the only way. I don't want to fully commit.

1:37:36I don't want. I'm not fully committing. I have a credit card that I have the Chase Sapphire Reserve, and it does rack up points pretty well. I don't know how. I don't know what. Something's going on where there's points appearing. But what I'm saying is before a specific airline, if you want all the stuff, you got to just not. Obviously, you can't do it every time. I fly all different places and not United doesn't fly here. Southwest doesn't fly here. American doesn't fly there. JetBlue. They all fly. They have different routes. I deal with the same thing. I'm just telling you the people who make it work, make it work.

1:38:09And by the way, they'll even fly places not direct, but the same airline. Oh, get the fuck out of here. It's another whole job to put the points into this and that. We just be honest. For all the things you're great at, you're not a good traveler. You book things late. You're not organized. You're a mess with your travel. It's a complete mess what you're doing. because I go back and forth on when I'm leaving, when I need to stay. I'm a very, I'm over, I'm over committed. I'm over committed person. Yeah, but that there's something else going on there because there are people who do the exact same thing as you who are just as committed and they're not as bad at traveling.

1:38:45I'm not good. I'm not even bad at traveling. I travel good. It's like, oh, is he getting on the flight today? Oh, I couldn't make the flight. I'm coming tomorrow. What? I'm not a rapper. I'm not a rapper-esque. No, I'm not like that. Normal people. I have a question. weren't you supposed to fly today yeah i pushed it back a day

1:39:04all right everyone we'll uh we'll talk to you in some version next week we hope you have a wonderful holiday celebration gp pod on instagram all that stuff rosenberg wrestling yada yada yada yada yada dip stay mage yeah you too please stay mage and happy holidays everyone we love you