Cody Rhodes Has a CM Punk Problem

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0:44It's still rooted Oh, I'm sorry Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was repot. It was repot. It's professional wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world's number one sports and recreation podcast, Cheap Heat. I am your forever 24-7 champion Peter Rosenberg coming to you live from New York City and coming to you from Los Angeles the great 39 at 35 Dipperstein he's back home he's no longer in Florida hey how are you good how are you doing I'm fantastic very very well my friend happy to be here I think you're right we don't have SUG today did he tell us that yeah he's uh he's meandering around asking potential jurors crazy questions that may have nothing to do with the case ah did mute your stream yard by the way please uh you meet your stream yard I did this time usually it's the reverse you you do it again um so yes SUG will not be with us today which is very unfortunate but we're going to power through as we are want to do.

2:14And there is a hell of a lot of things to discuss. Most notably, Sami Zayn is no longer champion. So we did a lot of conversation last week here on the show with you guys and with each other about what could be, what's the plan for SummerSlam? Will it be sammy doing this or doing that um obviously it's been five days and i know there are some of you who are listening to us on podcast and you don't listen to the wonderful world that is pro wrestling nation 24 7 sirius xm channel 156 then there are some of you who listen to pro wrestling nation 24 7 24 7 you've heard sam's takes you've heard uh megan's takes you've heard all of busted opens takes.

3:02You've heard a lot of different takes. There are so many different angles dip at which to attack this. I'll say this. I'm going to give you the potential upside and the thing I don't like. Okay? Yeah, I'm good for that. I'm good for those things. Here is the upside. Some of this was said in our group chat, but this is how I feel. Sami Zayn now, after finally getting to the mountain top and being robbed in an unfair way where CM Punk comes in out of nowhere. He's forced to defend on Raw, which if we're being honest, in wrestling and out of wrestling makes no sense. CM Punk shows up. He ends up losing.

3:45This impetus for Sami Zayn to become absolutely insane is potentially a lot of fun. My concern is no one's going to care about that in terms of creative, and Sami is going to fade to the background and it ends up being a very transitional moment that is my fear that it is not a big part of the story in other words and I'll get your response tip in other words if Sammy continues to be a part of all this stuff in a real meaningful way I don't care that he lost the title it doesn't matter it's that's more storytelling and I love it however if it was hey, you know, we're going to be in Chicago. How about a little CM Punk?

4:32Let's just put it back on Punk. And Sami becomes, you know, a top of the mid-card guy again on SmackDown. Then, Dip, I will be very disappointed that this is the route they went. What are your thoughts on that breakdown? I agree. I just feel like I don't consider Sami Zayn, at this point, all the peaks and valleys that he has had in his career, I don't think of him as a mid-card guy at this point. The crowd reacts to this guy for better or they react in the most extreme ways when he's a babyface or a perceived babyface, and they act in the most extreme ways when he's a heel. So to me, it's like, what is the biggest crowd reaction scenarios that you can muster up at this point?

5:25You know that the audience is capable of crazy reactions still to things happening as you see all through Europe. Right. So I don't know why he's maybe in the mind of fans and whoever else as a mid-card guy. I see a lot of stuff on the internet. I just don't – like to me, the crowd reaction and the big crescendo that a crowd comes to in a moment when Sami Zayn or whoever wins or whatever it is, is like the reason you put these people out there in the best position that they possibly can be. and so i agree with you that if sammy zane continues in the the picture of the you know in the in the title picture it wasn't for nothing but if he does fade into the background i think it just doesn't really make much sense that's my all right so we're on this exact same page what you're saying yeah we are we are i just wanted to say the bit about like the crowd thing no you're right i think a lot about that i ran into a guy in my office at espn new york yesterday a sales guy who follows the product pretty big.

6:27And he's, you know, he was just like, he's, Sammy's just a mid-card guy. Like, I just don't see it. I don't see it with him. And like, I tried to explain, I'm like, he's like, you know, his ring, his stuff in the ring is like fine. I've never been like, oh my God, he's the best wrestler. Like, it's fine. I said, as a wrestler, Sammy is in a very similar tier to many other people who live at the top of the card. Okay? That's, that's, if he's not, I understand if you don't think he's, if, you know, if you're obsessed with a Javon Evans or if you don't think he's a Chad Gable level wrestler, whatever, totally fine with that.

7:07But Sammy is in the same place that his compatriots at the top of the card are at. Cody, Drew, he's that level to me. Roman, to me, Sammy is that level of wrestler. I think what he's referring to is he doesn't look like a guy who should be at the top of the card because he's been programmed to see things that way. And obviously want to get your thoughts on this too at 877-344-4893. We'll be here for the next two hours talking about this and much more. But to me, and Sammy said this in the interview that we played with him last week right after he won the title, you know like that's your own thing if you decide to believe what you've been told is how something has to be like if you're you know like that that's on you if you if you agreed if you need your musicians to i need my rappers to all act like blank i don't like when they're you know kendrick i don't need someone to rap to me about smart stuff that hey dude that's on you that's you making the choices that you make don't limit the genre entirely by what someone's like physical appearances I I do not accept the the Sammy is a mid-carder he was at the peak of the bloodline he was in my opinion he was maybe the most entertaining thing that happened in it you cannot remove that that at the biggest point we all agree the lead to 40 that stretch was the biggest boom it felt like we've had in the wrestling business in a long time.

8:41Sammy was in, dude, that Montreal chamber that you and I took the drive through the blizzard to go to. Yeah, that Sammy chamber match. That's an all time moment, dude. A great episode, by the way. One of the greatest cheap heat episodes of all time. Oh, yeah. Driving through the snow to go to Montreal. That was a moment in time. Crossing the border. Yeah. At that rest stop, too. If you're a listener on Pro Wrestling Nation and you've never heard it, go back and subscribe to the podcast. It was a great time a couple of years ago. So, yeah, I just I don't buy that. And I just really hope they don't let him fade to the background.

9:18And let me just say, like, Punk's an all-timer. You know, there's no question his run here has been great. He's really exceeded all expectations, in my opinion, of him coming back. I didn't know it would go this well. I was on record of thinking it wouldn't go this well. It's been, it's gone swimmingly so far, all of the things. But I have to say, I'm over the, we're in Chicago, Punk has to do a thing. He's been here, Dip, it's been a few years already. We're in Chicago every five months, okay? It's like, to me, the one issue I had with the way that show went was that the second they said Cody was out, the crowd starts immediately chanting CM Punk and it's sort of the crowd sort of telegraphed the whole thing to you to a certain extent there is only one way to go in my opinion with this match with Cody Rhodes and this needs to be a giant vehicle to turn this man heel how many how many weeks in a row do I have to say this Cody Rhodes as the biggest heel in the company is money.

10:32It opens him up. It's an entirely new, he could face everyone again, 10 times, including Roman, including Seth Rollins, including CM Punk, including Sami Zayn. It's like a whole new person. He's been baby faced for so long and such a huge star for so long that just putting him in a a completely different side of the spectrum. It's like reinv... I'm saying obvious things, but you're putting a completely new person on the roster at the highest level with him as a heel. You could redo all the stories again with him as the heel. I totally agree with you, dude. We talked about this some last week. By the way, not to interrupt, again, I may have said this a month or so ago.

11:20If you dyed his hair black and you started putting him in dark colored suits and he comes out there as the corporate champion and he's the guy, the mastermind behind all the evil things or whatever it is, however they do it, the corporate champion. If he becomes what, you know, the Seth Rollins version of, you know, yesteryear when it came to being the corporate champion, the Triple H guy, whatever it is. I mean, that is just massive. The only thing I'd push back on is I don't think you need to go with the dark hair. I mean, it's a fun thing, but like - I know you like that. You think that the blonde hair is heelish.

11:53I think the dyed blonde hair is very heelish. Like I do. No, it is. It is. It's heelish in its own way. Right. I hear what you're saying too. I hear what you're saying too. And by the way, you know, miss me with the, well, he's got a movie coming out. And there's always a million reasons to not do this stuff. We are at a point right now where the amount of stars at the top that they have who are of kind of close level wise. Seth, Punk, Cody, Roman, Rhea, soon to be Oba. All of these guys and gals are at the top. Brock Lesnar, Becky Lynch. They have all these people. Charlotte, you have all these huge names who can push the needle, move the needle.

12:38Stop telling me you can't have one guy who's a huge seller and popular with kids turn heel. There are plenty of people at the top now who are popular with kids. That whole narrative of like Cena could never turn because – I just think it's a lot of revisionist history dip. I was really in the building for a lot of those years when I know you were somewhat checked out. I was in events. Dude, it was – we have – because John Cena is truly one of the greatest of all time, and he is, no question about it, and he will live forever as Mount Rushmore or Mount Rushmore. We will tell the story that it was always this one thing.

13:19There were times they could have turned him, guys. The crowd was 65%, 70 % booing him out of the building. And we were always told, because it's the way Vince saw things at that time, he can't do it. No, of course they could have done it, and it would have been awesome. So let's not pretend like Cody could not have a great run. And you wouldn't have other babyfaces. You won't have Oba selling tons of merch and Romans. It's going to be fun. So I agree with you. This has to be. You can't keep running it back. So Sammy's going to be deranged. Cody's going to be a babyface. Punk's going to be a babyface.

13:56Roman's going to be a tweener. Everyone's going to sit in the exact same position forever. Roman's a babyface, in my opinion. But he's not. He feels babyface to me. Was it babyface when he has Jacob go, you know, beat up Eric Andre? That's not a babyface thing to do. No. But, I mean, there's no one's booing Roman Reigns. So, no one. There is no one booing Roman Reigns. No one. He's been cheered. It's crazy. I mean, you think about the three big matches at SummerSlam. The only heel is Brock Lesnar. Who's going to be at home, by the way. And who, by the way, people are cheering his name. Yeah. So, what better time?

14:35to create the monster heel in Cody. The man is amazing. He would be, he will be so good. His presentation is amazing. He's perfect. I'm ready for it. I'm with you a thousand percent. People would love it. It would be enormous. By the way, people would buy the heel Cody merch galore. By the way, can I tell you another thing out here about Cody and being a heel? And I've never talked to Cody about this. I mean, in interviews, he's implied clearly he's fine with it, okay? He's said it multiple times. I remember it. Dude, what's his nickname? What's Cody's number one nickname? American Nightmare. It's a heel name.

15:18His dad was the American dream. He's the American nightmare. You're literally, your moniker is a heel thing. The whole thing. I think he had so much fun with it. Oh, I have to imagine he would love it. Um, now I will say the same gentleman I was talking to at work, shout out to Jim from the radio station. Oh, Jim's a great guy. He did say something else though. I don't know Jim at all. Do I know Jim? No, I've never met. Never met Jim. I've been working for just a couple of years. He's been, he's been there. Um, but he did say something else sort of in passing that I thought was interesting. He was like, you know whose time it is to be like at the top, top of the card.

15:56And I'm just like listening. I'm like, yeah, who are your thoughts? He was Seth Rollins. he was like Seth is like always right there but like it's like his time like and then he said and I thought this was interesting he said Seth could really be like stone cold like that could be the sort of loved character like I would love to see that sort of version of Seth and I thought about it as I rewatched his promo earlier and I thought it was a really interesting thought about Seth being sort of this rebel kicks everybody's ass like not not a baby face not a heel but is a baby face because he's just such a badass who beats everybody up and i i kind of like that as a because i will say i heard some criticism this week on the air of seth's promo of people thinking that if you're trying to be a baby face um it was on busted open this week they were saying that if you're trying to be a baby face, Seth.

16:59Some of the, I deserve it, why is it always you? It should be me about Roman doesn't play baby face. It ends up playing actually kind of heelish. And I thought it was a very interesting conversation. It's an interesting spot therein because Roman's always very loved, but his character is like, if you're being honest, Roman's character always has heelish tint to it. That's, he, again, sort of like Cody. Roman looks perfect. He's born into the business. He flies on the private jet. He looks like a movie star. There's a lot of built-in heelishness to Roman, which lends Seth to being the good guy, but at the same time, staying the good guy against a guy who's as popular as Roman Reigns is very, very tough.

17:45So it's going to be an interesting, interesting one, two, what is it, three weeks out? I guess, yeah. It's going to be an interesting three weeks out of promos to see how they get there. yeah at the end of the day say whatever you want about what's going on the the the the way that the the card is shaping up it's it's like i know we say this all the time like we we have what to say about things and then we look at the card and you're like this is one of the biggest cards the the card is enormous well roman roman and seth and oba and brock and then the guess is Punk and Cody is those are three gigantic matches.

18:25You cannot get bigger than that. It is the biggest you can do today. And then will they go Sami and Gunther? I wonder what will happen there. Again, that'll be really interesting in terms of what we see tonight on SmackDown to see where they go with Sami. But Dip, I could not agree with you more. This card is already going to have like epic matches at the top of it if you want to take it to the next level heel cody versus face punk is just or or do the double turn in the in the ring you know do that it doesn't have a double turn because they're both baby faces but do the do the turn at in the match sure you know end the match with the heel cody it's gotta happen i'd like it i'd like it even better if it happened.

19:14By the way, how many times has Cody been kicked in the nuts? Isn't it time for Cody to kick someone else in the nuts? Can Cody kick someone in the nuts? Yeah. His nuts must be... God knows what's going on with his nuts. He'd have to repair these nuts a thousand times. Or as Will Ferrell playing Ashley Schaefer on Eastbound and Down who has to be based on Ric Flair as he would say his plums they've been he's been kicked in the plums a thousand times by the way have we ever gotten confirmation did did he base did Will Ferrell base his portrayal of that character on Eastbound and Down on Ric Flair it has to I don't know I can find out though obviously I'd like to find out I would think one of the busy I would say you know besides one of the you know the probably the one of the biggest uh the busiest people in wrestling is a cody's urologist i would think yeah no it's a busy era but all these all these nut kicks and and just the the i talked yesterday i talked to a pain doctor you ever talked to a pain doctor uh yeah i have yeah i talked to a pain i got a guy now dip and he's on the upper west side you might you want to meet with him should you meet with the pain guy I'll get lunch with your pain guy I'm getting an MRI on the back because just I've been getting some of the general waking up with the you know and I don't want to turn into you you're getting an MRI for you're getting an MRI for general waking up with the let me tell you something there has not been a day in 20 years that I have not woken up with the I have the galore all the time right now I'm sitting here with okay Have you got an MRI?

21:04That's a wild thing. You're a big MRI guy. I've got thousands of them. All right, listen. I live in that tube. By the way, I'm doing open. I have my own cubby in the tube. I'm not going in the full tube. I'm doing open. I'm not going in the tube. Oh, come on. I'm not. You can't go in the tube? Dip. I got to tell you. It's relaxing. I got to tell you. You can't answer your phone. person can't you i'm not insane it's you you go in there there's nothing you can do you gotta lay there kelly kelly the phone kelly kelly what's the more tell me what the more normal fear is being obsessively scared of alligators or being scared of going in the mri tube what do you think is the more normal fear that's a good question how often do you encounter an alligator that's a great question kelly once a decade you may need more mris as you get older i think that's the more valid fear i think it's i think i don't think it's what are you worried about you're on a sliding thing if anything they're watching like they're watching you like a hawk you can also press a button if you have an issue and you're you have to take your net you're nude you're basically naked your phone's out of your pocket it's in locker.

22:23There's nothing you could do with it. It's very liberating. Very interesting conversation. We'll continue this on the other side. Plus, there's a new world champion at AEW. We got to get to that as well. And of course, the internet spoke about that as well. Everyone's got opinions. Everyone is so, so knowledgeable. We'll talk about all of it and we'll talk to you at 877-344-4893. It's Cheap Heat Live. And by the way, Ben Queen, we can only have Jay-Z coming back today. Tonight's the big Reasonable Doubt show at Yankee Stadium. I'm wearing the shirt. I'm doing the whole thing. I'm leaning in. So we need some Jay-Z, some Reasonable Doubt cuts.

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23:37You know, I'm glad you brought that up I'm glad you brought that up If you heard If you happen to hear Last night's episode Of Real Late with Peter Rosenberg On Shade 45 You might have heard my Jay-Z tribute mix. There is. There are three concerts. This is how worked we all are. Friday night, he announces the Reasonable Doubt concert, and everyone goes crazy. Oh, we have to go to Yankee Stadium. It's Reasonable Doubt. Then he announces the next night, a Blueprint concert. Oh, we have to go to Blueprint. People are getting the Blueprint tickets. And then Sunday night, he announces the Extra Innings show at Yankee Stadium and everyone goes, well, that's the one you have to go to because who is he going to bring out?

24:21Maybe Beyonce comes out. So there are people, including our friend Greg Domino, there are people going every night. They're going every night. Okay, they are not missing a show. Ben Queen says, I saw him at Roots Picnic and it was life-changing. Now, here's the thing, Ben Queen, this is why it's a great take from you. He was incredible at Roots. I was in Italy at the time and we went back and watched on YouTube the next day. he brought out dip did you you did you see who he brought out in phil like he brought out every philly rapper there is it was like yeah state prop no it was there all of state prop dude oh dude that was a lot i would have liked that when was the last time you got to hear rock the mic and can't stop won't stop you know back to back like i mean he did everything so so when i was like 15 or 16 i know i know i know the story you're gonna tell i think go ahead but no maybe at the at the Camden Waterfront with a tweeter center at the time.

25:18I went to a show headlined by Jay-Z. And the supporting acts were 50 Cent.

25:30Amory. Young Guns. Amory, come on. Amory, Young Guns, Missy Elliott and Busta Rhymes. That was a concert. That is like the dip, like Mount Rush right there. If Snoop was on that show, it would have been. But that was like the highest level. And then they brought out, I think, Freeway and Petey Crack and all this stuff. Oh, yeah. Petey, Owen Sparks. I saw that same era of my life in a very small club with no stage on the floor. This is the story I've heard. This is the story I've heard. You have? I've heard this story? Go ahead. Tell the story. I saw it was freeway PD crack. Who am I missing? Young guns.

26:17There you go.

26:22Who am I missing from the from state property? From state property. You say beans. You said beans. Yeah. Beanie Siegel. And there was like and there was one more. Yes. It was so mage. It was like. So because but because the craziest thing I haven't done. One of them. because he did it the way he did it at the roots picnic it made me think wow i wonder if he like what he's gonna do here like this whole thing has been a much bigger deal than anyone anticipated the pop-up shops you see the subway thing he did he's done like it's been crazy like what he's been doing so i don't know like we were speculating this week on on ibril or rosenberg does he bring out at the blueprint show does eminem come out for renegade like is he gonna to do all of the things there is to do.

27:08I bet he does. I don't know about Eminem. You definitely get Beyonce. That's happening, I'm sure. You'll get some Beyonce situations. That's Rihanna. Rihanna would be no, you can't act casual about that. That would be insane. He hasn't brought out Rihanna for anything in a long time. That's a Rihanna. To do Run This Town? What are they going to do? Umbrella? Ella? Ella? I'm good. Could be Umbrella. Could be Umbrella? Ella? So anyways, I'll be at Yankee Stadium tonight. Then we have to go down to the DMV this weekend for a wedding. We're going to go to our favorite restaurant on Sunday night in Bethesda, Guappos.

27:42We love Guappos. We're going to get some enchiladas like you dream. Let's talk to the people dip. We are talking about, at the moment, the Sami Zayn, Cody Rhodes, really the Cody of it all. Because really, the point we're trying to make is that Cody is now such a centerpiece here. You get the title off of Cody to end up putting it back on punk putting this title now on punk I should say changing Cody's character is the thing that could really make this whole thing completely interesting now here's George on Long Island one of our favorites who disagrees on Cody turning George how are you hey what's going on guys how you doing Pete I will also be in the building tonight I cannot wait for this show although I gotta tell you Mary J is out in Vegas doing her residency, so she won't be there.

28:36I just heard that. There is no Mary. That is a confirmed fact, I'm told. No Mary. Yeah, so I'm interested to see who he brings out tonight. Real quick, Dip, you're a psychopath. MRIs are the worst. Those are definitely more fearful than alligators. George, George, listen to this. George, George, this is a guy, this is a guy who is freaking out on planes if there's turbulence but is not worried about getting shoved in the tube for an MRI tell me he's not a bona fide lunatic no absolute psychopath and listen don't get me wrong I can't stand flying I gotta take Valium and two tequila doubles just to make sure I'm good for flights so like I get it but I would rather take a flight than be in the MRI thing it's just no thank you wow I guess most people feel this way I don't know there's a way out it's not like you're being thrown down a well your feet are dangling out of it you don't know that this is a thing most people don't want to go in the tube you know what it is a lot of us feel like it's almost being like in a casket and granted the one time in life you are in a casket you don't know about it because you're dead and it's okay but if you're inside there and you open up your eyes that ceiling is right touching your nose like it's the it's the absolute worst and if you have to get out on your own you can't you need help to get out if all of a sudden god forbid there's a nuclear attack all the power in the world goes out you're stuck in the tube that's scary all right george what do you george what do you have?

30:21We'll get to dips. Where on Long Island are you, George? Where on Long Island are you? Alright, it's all good. Alright, so to the wrestling point, right? You guys brought up a couple of things, and listen, this is just me. I can't speak for everyone else, because I know everybody wants to see Cody go heel. I don't. I really don't. I don't think we have anybody to fill his shoes as that elite baby face that's actually going to tell, like, a good story. if you make Cody heel today, who is that baby face? And I guess the easy answer is CM Punk, but like, can you give me somebody that's not in their 40s?

31:00I just feel like the storytelling isn't enough for me to believe anybody to take over that Cody Rhodes position today, right now in the industry. Another thing, I love Sammy, and I'm glad he got his moment. I feel like we could have got to Punk and Cody without doing this to Sammy. We always fantasy book, you know, that's what we do as fans. I always saw Sammy winning the belt off of Drew because the guy is 0 for 12 against him. I just don't know when that storyline was going to happen. But, yeah, back to the whole Cody thing, just give me a top two. I'll settle for two on who can fill that babyface role today and is believable to be the way Cody is the John Cena of today.

31:54Thank you for the call, George. We appreciate it. I think that, like, here's the problem I have. You're setting up Punk and Cody. Call me crazy, Dip. I'm, like, kind of sick of babyface versus babyface. Like people are, Cody is going to struggle to keep the crowd on his side against CM Punk. And that's not a Cody thing. That's called an everybody who's not CM Punk thing. There is a thing dip with, there is a love affair between the hardcore WWE fan and CM Punk that you really can't get in the way of. You know, I just, I don't, we talked about this recently that we all guessed. I think we all predicted he would be a babyface his entire final run here in WWE.

32:40I don't know that he'll ever get booed. So to me, it's a swap. You swap them. You know, you talk about Stone Cold. Who could be Stone Cold? I mean, CM Punk is Stone Cold. CM Punk is the Stone Cold of his era. He's the rebel. He's the straight shooter. He's the anti-establishment guy. That's who he is. But you're right. I mean, there is a love affair between the fans that nothing will get in the way of. And maybe this is a good way to turn. Maybe this is the perfect thing. You know, maybe it's not Sammy is going to be the one to turn Cody Hill. Maybe it's CM Punk is the best choice for that. Yeah.

33:17And I think that idea that George had of who's it going to be, it's going to be CM Punk. And if you believe the fact that CM Punk won that title tells me CM Punk is going to SmackDown. He will be primarily a SmackDown character, and he will be the big baby face on SmackDown. That's what I see happening. The person at the top of the card in the weirdest spot right now is Gunther. Gunther has this crazy run, this crazy run a year ago or less, you know, about a year ago. I mean, whatever it was. And now, no matter what they do with him, it's kind of like, it's not bad. He needs to settle into something different than what he currently is doing.

34:03And, you know, I don't know. Is it like his appearance? It's something needs to be done. Something needs to be done. We've said this. I know. I know. But now you're looking at how the SummerSlam card is shaping up. It's one of the biggest nights of wrestling of the year. And it's like, no matter what happens with him, it's not here to be. It's hard to imagine that's going to be a huge match at this moment. Who knows? Who knows? Well, we're three weeks out. We're three weeks out. It's going to be, to your point, how are you going to make people care in three weeks about what he's doing? For the record, though, this was part of them going away from his old sort of scary character into, you know, what's the clothing story again?

34:52Buck Mason. Buck Mason. What's the other one? What's the one with Murphy in the title? Johnston and Murphy? Yeah, it's Johnston and Murphy. The shoe store? It's like I see them in the airport. What's to come up with that? I don't know. That's an airport store now. Big airport. By the way, do you think Hugo Boss is sad that he sits around being like, I've become an airport brand? Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's going on with the Hugo Boss. He's not really a boss anymore. I got to tell you, he's not a boss. He's the boss of the airport. They need a full brand reset. Oh, dude. He is the boss of Terminal 6.

35:32Okay? That is it. Now, I'm going to throw this at you, Dip. Just real quick. Personal trivia. Who do you think sent me this text the other day? Dynamite's going to be great tonight. Kenny versus Max. Tommaso versus Jericho. Tekashta versus Jericho. Tekashta versus Kyle Fletcher. And if Kenny loses, no more title challenges. Who do you think I got that text from?

36:01Oh, my God.

36:07Goldstein? Nicholas Rosenberg. Okay, okay. Sometimes I feel that my brother is, like, now so into wrestling that it's, like, this weird tease in my life. and in a few weeks he's gonna be like, I was out of my mind. I don't give a shit about any of this. Is he capable of that? I don't think so. I don't think so. He doesn't generally like jump off the things that he's into. He tends to kind of like keep going. And I think he's really found the same joy that you and I have because there's an unspoken joy that us wrestling fans have. I believe this is not spoken about enough, but you guys tell me if you agree.

36:48Wrestling is in some ways like an antidepressant. it's like a anti-anxiety it's this thing you always have like every night of the week you're in this world that you just it's like your home base it's like i got my wrestling that's and once you have it it becomes this very peaceful thing to have in your life and i think that he's now found it it's like his happy place you know he lives he lives on his own etc and it's like at night well you know the night's winding down oh i turn on my wrestling i turn on my program and it's a built-in part of your life. So I think he'll end up with it, but I'm so happy that he's into it.

37:26I mean, I said to him today, I said, what do you think we should talk about on the show today? He's like my new, he's my barometer of what's going on. He goes, well, everyone seems to be talking about the Jeff Jarrett dark side of the ring. Okay. He said, Jungle Jack Perry resigning with AEW and the rumors that Punk blackballed him at WWE. And then he said, and the chick from Alpha Academy getting back with Austin Theory. These are what's on his mind. And actually, we should get to that Maxine thing in a second. But for the moment, not just because my brother brought it up, but we obviously should mention MJF loses the title this past weekend to Kenny Omega.

38:06I thought it was an absolute gem. I love the match. I have zero issues again with Max losing the title. I saw people freaking out about this dip. Yeah, me too. Some of the big online personalities, you know, who are like fancy themselves, Vince Russo are screaming. They've lost the plot. Tony's lost his mind. There's the obsession with Omega and Osprey. I think people are really missing dip. the fact that MJF at this point, when you flip by the channel and you see on your guide that AEW is on, do you know whose face is front and center on the guide? I know. I see it. It is Maxwell Jacob Friedman.

38:56He is the star of the show. And then around him, you have other several really big stars, right? Kenny Omega. I think maybe Jericho's there. Willow Nightingale you know they have other the people that they fancy is there as Ospreay Max at this point has been champion for so long of the seven years AEW has been on the air the idea that it is problematic I saw I saw coach talking about uh AEW needs to learn the title is not a prop guys guys guys i listened to your bullshit about darby and i disagreed with that i thought it played out great you got it wrong the darby run was great in my opinion but i'll listen to you because darby's undersized and all the things kenny omega is the greatest non-wwe wrestler of all time.

39:56Put the goddamn title on him. I mean, I'm sorry. And by the way, Max will probably one day take that title, but Kenny's been doing this longer, much longer. He's the greatest ever. They're acting dip as if putting the title on Kenny Omega as if they put it on some schmagegy. What am I missing? I don't know. I gotta tell you. I don't know. I don't even know. No rebuttal. I couldn't even create a counter-argument like SGG if I I tried. I tried. But, yeah, I mean, it makes complete – so it's all good. Come on. Oh, wait. You're going to get Kenny Omega and Will Ospreay at All In at Wembley? Oh. Okay.

40:39You know, Max had a huge match at Wembley last year. It's okay. Like, you don't – I think that's also a thing people are missing. You know, and sometimes staying hot, sometimes staying hot is about taking a step back for a minute. That's how you stay hot. You can't run hot forever. So I loved it. I took zero issue with it whatsoever. The match was great. That moment with the title, I mean. No, the whole sequence at the end was fantastic. They messed up. This is very nitpicky. they messed up a couple of shots like late there was a that you saw it right yeah there were a couple of camera shots at the end where they cut to mjf and then they cut to osprey and i'm like someone's missing some they missed some of the facials but that is a very nitpicky thing it was one osprey facial on the on the on the ramp was amazing though no no i wanted it i wanted to see it they just like mistimed some of when yeah yeah a little bit a little bit but i love but i loved seeing it osprey omega is going to be amazing i take zero issue here god you people like and i if you scream it very confidently it doesn't make you right like what you didn't enjoy it why why why do you don't like you guys don't like big title changes on tv and i love that it's 30 years after bash at the beach and it was outside at the beach like i love the i love the set thought it was great i thought it was one of the best outdoors they've done i love it i love sets by the way can WWE, can we get an outdoor show again?

42:15Like a real, like a beach thing again. Like something, give me something weird. We haven't done weird in WWE for location in so long. Yeah. I love an occasional weird. Can I get on an aircraft carrier? For God's sake. Let's go to Jake in Brooklyn who wants to weigh in on the max of it all. What's up, Jake? Yeah, hi. Question, quick question. Do you think they're trying to set up MJF as a future flair type 16 plus? Because he keeps dropping the belt, dropping the belt, getting it back, dropping the belt, getting it back. Are they doing like, do you think they're trying to make him out of AEW's future or something like that?

42:57You know, listen, I don't think they're, I can't imagine, thank you for the call, Jake. I can't imagine they're gearing towards literally a number like that. However, I will say this. I think in the silver lining, when you're someone like Max, the idea of going, hey, you know, it's not that bad to say I'm the, how many, how many times is it now? Is he, is he four time, five time champ? Do you know? No. Kelly, can you give me the number of how many times Max has been a world champion? Oh, three. What am I saying? Three. It's only three? Yeah. It's three title reigns. Yeah, three. so invariably next will be four so so do i think he hates the idea of of like oh one day he's seven eight time champion no i don't think he hates that but here's the funniest thing i don't know if you guys like pay attention to how big a player mjf is in that company do y 'all think he was really against this you think they like went in they said max you're dropping the strap and he was like over my dead body.

44:02Like, come on, guys. It's good business. Let's do Will Ospreay and Kenny Omega in front of 75 ,000 people. Like, Kenny doesn't have forever, guys. The last Kenny injury was really serious. This is a guy who has been at the top of the indie scene and now this scene for, what do we look, 20 years? I mean, I feel like I proudly, as you can tell, called Kenny Omega indie matches, I think one in like 2010 you know something like that worked that's 16 years ago and that wasn't the his first match he was already one of the best I'd ever seen at that point so you're not going to have him around forever so I think this title reign is a very cool thing I take zero issue with it uh whatsoever I'll tell you what you want him to the biggest on the low the title change that may have annoyed me the most this week was neither of the two we've talked about.

44:58Why did the Street Profits drop the titles already? Yeah. That was, I think, the title change I understood the least. I'm curious to see what the benefit will be, Dip, to the Street Profits already losing the title. I don't know. I just... I have so many mixed feelings about the Street Profits. I know. I know. I just... It just seems like it's always stop and start. And this felt like a real start with them. But what is next? What could be... I mean, this rub with Seth was good. Like, what could be of them next? What else is there for the Street Profits? But aren't you saying the same thing that we know you're saying?

45:45A breakup. There's only so much you can do with a tag team. After this is already... we're what we're, we're six years into this. How long tried the breakup, even if it's not, doesn't work. I just try it. There's no risk. They're not that, you know, relevant every minute of, you know, it's not like it's, it's not that profound. Right. Try the breakup and see if it works. You know, let's see what happens. I, you know, give or, or, I don't know, by the way, or sort of like with the new day, when we talked about a breakup and they ended up turning them, if they'd kept the titles on them and we get them to turn, I've always thought that idea of Tez being like a real heel again, like Cody, I think he has some attributes that could be very heelish.

46:33That could be interesting, but like them just hovering in the tag picture is like your baby face tag team. We always got them. And then they dropped the titles again immediately or three weeks later, whatever it was. I didn't love it. We have so much more to get to. We'll talk to you guys. 877-344-4893. It's Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation. Still so much more from this week as we get ready for SummerSlam. And we'll do it all next, right here on Cheap Heat Live. We'll be right back. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Yipe Stripes, Fruit Stripe Gum, four fruity juicy flavors.

47:10Share, dare, chew it, blow it. It's Yipe Stripes, Fruit Stripes Regular, and Bubblegum. Welcome back to GP live pro wrestling nation 24 seven, an hour to go with you. I hope everyone's doing great dip. It's already July 10th. Like the, my birthday, the post my birthday signifies for me always like summer's winding down. We're already two weeks away. I know it already feels like it's, it's like May and June just fly by. And basically once you get to September, the year's over. I hate, I hate getting older. This whole thing is not working for me. Although, as Jay-Z famously said on the Can't Knock the Hustle remix, the only thing worse than getting old is not getting old.

47:53So we have to choose getting old. Do you understand? I see that very spry-looking dog walking around in the background during this interview. He must be 30 at this point. I got to tell you, I am so lucky that that dog is still hanging on. You take very good care of the dog, let's face it. I take great care of the dog. He's got good genes, this dog. Okay. I'm going to send you a video right now. Also, you've moved the jukebox again. Now it's in a new place, a new spot. And now I'm in a new spot. Yeah. You've seen it. We've reversed. I see that. The desk and the jukebox have switched locations. I also see a pillow I've never seen and a rug I've never seen.

48:44Natalie, wow, a lot is happening. When are you getting here? I don't know. It's Monday. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. He has no idea. He doesn't – he's like he's in the Migos. He travels like he's Quavo. I mean he doesn't know where he's going Monday. I just booked another 56 seat. Oh, my God. Dip, my level of commitment to business class is so high that I just changed my return after SummerSlam to the absolute ass crack of dawn because I'm not doing, I'm not going to sit in 32. See, I'm getting on the plane. I'm getting off the plane. I'm sleeping. And good night, good night. Do you now match a flight, a regular shitty coach flight from Las Vegas to New York is on Sunday?

49:31Oh, you're coming direct from Vegas? No, I'm not now. You're going back to LA now? Yeah. um a shitty regular coach flight from vegas that you're booking this weekend 550 700 for coach yep criminals seven these are 700 for what wait that's one way yeah these are criminals i'm excited i know it's last minute but like i know when people say oh you book last minute it doesn't really matter that much the price doesn't change that much when you would book a If you sometimes it goes down. I've seen everything. I've seen every version of this. This crap. I don't believe you, by the way. I don't want to, like, get into a fight.

50:13I really don't. But you can't be right about this. We can get into a fight. I will tell you. I will tell you that the jet to to get it to put your bag, check your bag on JetBlue. Now it is sixty dollars to check a bag on JetBlue. I come on. That is disgusting. $60 to check a bag. Come on. I just want to tell these people, whatever you're doing, it's not working. This isn't working. Something's not working because they wouldn't have to raise the price. I mean, I know fuel costs are higher. I know that. Of course. But don't put that in. Don't put that in the. Don't make people pay for it with luggage.

50:57it looks it the cheapest jet blue flight on sunday is 789 okay i went up from yesterday you could come back monday for 579 this is all one way yeah and know what no worries though dip if you want to if you want to come non-stop on mint one way just 3500 dollars 3500 dollars for a minute it's insane so you can get a see you can get a drink and what is it gonna what What is it costing me to fly to Saudi Arabia next year? What is that going to cost me? I'm not going to coach the Saudi Arabia. Maybe I am. I don't know. I'm not sitting to 36C to Saudi Arabia. Okay. That's not happening. While we're doing this hour, I'm going to look into this.

51:43Okay. So we were talking some about Gunther earlier. Tell me this. Gunther Nick Aldis is where people think this is going. Now, we thought that was happening before and it didn't. But tell me this. Is Gunther Nick Aldis interesting and different enough that it could ignite some actual real excitement around Gunther? 100%. I don't know about excitement around Gunther. I think you'll get some excitement around Nick Aldis. Well, that's that. You know what? But that goes back to the same thing we're discussing, though. That's why it's a tough spot for Gunther right now. Now, let me ask you this. The more interesting aspect to this is what will his gear look like if he does wrestle Nick Alves?

52:37Is it tights? Is it long pants? Is it a singlet? Is he coming out in a bikini? What is he coming out of? it's gotta be i see him as a shorts and boots guy you think shorts and boots bare chest oh yeah let me tell you that's a beautiful chest oh you think is nick aldis gargantz i mean he's a gargantz man he is gargantz up a storm you think his his physique is gargantz oh i think you don't think you're not you're not sensing schlump more you're not sensing oh my god this man let me tell you something he's i don't know him i don't know the man he's 30 i love him he's 39 years old he's 6 '4 which is how old I am and you guys look the exact same Nick Aldis is a man you are a child you are nothing I am less than a man compared to Nick Aldis I don't even know what I am compared to Nick Aldis you're not him you are not him Nick Aldis man Dipperstein God knows he's 6 '4, 240 39 years old He's huge.

53:45Jacked to the gills. Let me tell you something. He's the man, dude. He is the man. But you're right. It's going to get people really excited about him. Will it get people excited about Gunther? I don't know. I got to tell you guys. I know this sounds crazy because we go on the internet and we all like to yell our feelings. Booking wrestling is super hard, dude. Like figuring out a character and keeping them hot and knowing where to go. It's just so rare that there are people who can stay perennially hot. It's the hardest. It's the hardest thing. We sometimes give them shit, but let me tell you.

54:26I have an answer for you on what you're going to spend. Okay. You want to go business class, Los Angeles. You want to go Los Angeles? Maybe you come spend time in New York first to make it a little less painful. Okay. Although, no, it's the same level of pain. All right. So you can go – the best you can hope for obviously is one stop from LA. The best you can get. There's no nonstop from LA. Okay. And the best price at business that you can get, LA to Riyadh next April, I guessed on the weekend because we don't have it yet,$4 ,851 round trip. I can do that. You can do it. You'll do it? Yeah. I mean, that's still a brutal, I mean, an absolutely brutal expense.

55:14It is. Absolutely. I don't want to be a douche about it. How many times have you ever spent$4 ,800 on anything?

55:25I don't even – there's been moments. There have been moments? What are the – what crappy piece of art do you have back there? Let me see it. what what what roddy piper painting do you have back there that you spent oh you're so mean to me i'm just trying to think of what the hell else it could be but but like i i was thinking like 23 25 27 000 that's what i was thinking no no no now let me let me i'm gonna try one more thing for you though because i care for you i'm gonna look up new york am i getting like a short rib with mashed potatoes on this flight or what am i gonna tell you i find the food flying business to saudi delightful.

56:02What's coach the Saudi? What's coach? I'll tell you that in a moment. Yeah. You can do non-stop from New York to Saudi. You can do. Lowest price business is$6 ,600. However, though, I will tell you this. One stop from New York business to Saudi is a full$1 ,000 cheaper at $3 ,700. $1 ,000 cheaper. Round trip. and a shorter flight. It's worth it. And that would honestly, because you could get a, if you bought early, which you would never do, you could get a$300 trip to come to New York and then it's a shorter trip when you go and you save 600 bucks. And what's coach? What's coach? By the way, if people are bored by this conversation, you shouldn't be.

56:48No, this is important. This is where WrestleMania is. And there's a lot of people in LA and New York listening right now. That's right. And we're giving you an education. And by the way, we're saying, it's not so crazy. It's not that bad. No, no, no. I think economy, you're going to be surprised and you're going to end up going, you know what? Economy sounds like a great idea. Let me see. Let me hear it. Let me want to know. What's the flight from New York to Riyadh? How long is it? Well, there's a direct that I took that's like 13 hours. Holy mackerel, that's long. But there are only a couple of those on Saudia.

57:17Okay. All right. The cheapest flight that you can get nonstop New York to Riyadh in coach Next April will cost you$1 ,283. Okay. That's not bad at all. One stop, the cheapest one stop option is$976. Get the hell out of here. That's round trip. Well, I still, listen, they're building Riyadh up, obviously. I still don't think, you know, regular people without business are just jumping on flights to Riyadh nonstop yet. so I think you're not getting they don't have the room yet to rip you off but this is why as soon as that date comes out and they make it official and you decide you want to go to Wrestlemania you got to book it you got to book it you really I will I will I will I mean I don't know if I'm gonna wait you're not gonna wait till the last the Tuesday before no no not for this it's all have you booked Minneapolis yet I have not we're three weeks out we're three weeks out I want to let you know.

58:27So the other thing that happened this week was Seth. Hold on. I want to say one more thing about Nick Aldis. If he comes out looking gargantle. He will. Okay. And they have a light show for him and a real entrance for him. I think people will go insane. I think it is a huge deal if he wrestles. I mean huge. You know who I'm feeling for in all of this? Adam Pearce. No, I know. By the way, I'd love to see Adam Pearson at all. Well, and you know, they have like, they kind of are sowing maybe a little bit of tension there. Yeah, it's great. It's great. Finally, finally. Yeah, make these guys mean something.

59:06Don't just put them in suits and say they're an authority for no reason. Make them mean something. Those are the best authority figures. Stephanie McMahon, you know, your Mick Foley's, your Shane McMahon's, the people you're invested in really hit different as authority figures. So Nick Aldis, whatever ends up happening, if he ends up going back to being an authority figure, which I imagine he will, he will have more meaning because of this. Especially if he wins, which he won't. I think he's going to come out and look like, remember when we first saw Vince just jacked to the gills and oiled up in that tank top?

59:42One of the craziest moments in wrestling history was him walking out. Was it the Rumble? Was it the Rumble? Is that the first time? The 99 Rumble. It was the 99 Rumble. And he walks out and everyone's like, oh, my God. He said gargantuan. That was awesome.

1:00:0399 Rumble. That's the first time he came out like that? Or was it St. Valentine's Day Massacre against Austin?

1:00:14It's one of those two. Vince McMahon made his official in-ring wrestling debut on March 30th, 1998 on an episode of Raw. Oh, okay. Huh. I'm going to try. That tank top look. God, he looked insane. One of the coolest, I think it was on TV. I think it was TV Guide or something. Remember that? Remember that? It was Stephanie, Triple H and Vince in that in that cover with the chain and the muscles. Remember that? Remember that cover? Yeah. It was a TV guide. That was one of the coolest wrestling photos ever. How excited did you get in that era when when they when like wrestlers showed up in mainstream things?

1:01:06Oh, but we saved all. We saved it all. whenever when when when Sable was on the cover of TV Guide I still have it for sure it's definitely in my garage we we saved it anytime that they were on the cover of anything or anything mainstream we saved it I have it all it was so cool where where do you have it in the in the garage in in boxes at Dipper Lago Dip do you appreciate that if you go to the youtube.com slash Rosenberg at rosenberg wrestling which i recommend all of you subscribe to have you gone there in my last time yes yeah but do you realize how funny the background photo currently is i want you to go there and look at the go please go to rosenberg wrestling on youtube and look at the like top line photo it's underrated funny in my opinion it's two people you're very fond of i have news for you you're gonna love the two people in this photo i guarantee it I'm also trying to get confirmation that that was in fact his first, Vince's actual first time because he can't trust Google.

1:02:06It's a funny photo. It's me and Dan Housen and the look, having a conversation, it looks like we're talking about the most serious thing that's ever been discussed. You're talking about interest rates. Interest rates. He has this look in his eye. Dan Housen's opinion on interest rates. He has this look in his eye that is so focused. um speaking of dan hausen he is in all the advertising for saturday night's main event which is one week from tomorrow at madison square garden so i i am expecting a big dan hausen situation next week do we know is there anything else officially on that card yet besides dan hausen and the posters i'm looking right now i think so dip doesn't want to over speak by accident let's see don't worry i'm gonna find out for you yeah it's junkyard dog versus pete doherty oh no sorry that's a different episode apparently i think i'm on the wrong i know i think i'm on the wrong one all right slaughter and duggan against the beverly brothers oh no sorry still the wrong i'm working my way there um gt slaughter baby sgt slaughter bro god there have been so many recently it's crazy to see this many come up we have dan hausen versus jd mcdonough a fish and we have page and brie versus fatal influence you also tend to wonder like when is the page and brie thing coming to a head obviously that was always a setup right for nikki to come back and there to be a problem because of that?

1:03:46Yeah, I think so. I hope so. So I have to imagine we're getting close to that moment. But that's all we have. We have Dan Housen versus J.D. McDonough, and we have Page versus Rebun. I'd like to see more Page activity. How do we get Page involved in something very meaningful? I agree. What are we doing with Page? It's time to get Page on the page. I know. it's one of the issues we have with so many people being around and being active it's a gift and a curse it's amazing to have them but at the same time like yeah Paige is she's you know they're the tag champions but it's like a very mid card thing like Paige is back after all these years and it's almost like we're just like acting like it's normal do you know what I'm saying it's not normal yet that Paige is back and yet it's kind of being treated like it's you know oh yeah there's Paige and Brie it's like I'm not sure what's up with the page situation it doesn't feel like it's real with page we have to like I think it is literally just a matter of there being too many people to try to find time for and so people are like are people even like you know no disrespect are people like popping for pay I mean she's page she's a big deal are people popping for what's happening with page i know the good news is we have a name for the episode this week popping for page is clearly the clearly the name of the show we've been waiting on it all day and now we have one i want to talk to you about your favorite subject on the other side dip your good friend la night i want to ask you the ultimate question and i want you to put aside your bias because i know you got you you two have had issues maya we're doing a program here's the question I have for you could LA Knight ever be world champion

1:05:40yes I gotta tell you I'd like to see it even if it's for a Sami Zayn second I don't see the downside in doing it even if it's to get it to another place. So let me ask you a question. I don't see the downside. Wow, Ben Queen just shared in our group chat something insane. 4-4-4 got me into Jay-Z. Wow, how old are you, Ben Queen? I'm 24. Oh my God, I was a very young man. You're Maya's age. 4-4-4 was in high school? Yeah. that's insane that was like a sophomore Ben Queen you look 30

1:06:33let's take a look at you Ben let me see if you're giving I can't tell he has the big serious background I can't tell if he's 24 or 30 he looks 30 he looks like what's the bad boys bad boys 2 what's the guy's name the guy from bad boys 2 the kid the guy that's there to take Martin Lawrence's daughter Reggie Wow great reference Dip what a strange pull I love it I love Bad Boys 2 You're a big Bad Boys 2 guy I saw it in the theater six times Fact Wow if you really want to know what Dip is into We have found it It is Bad Boys 2 I love Bad Boys 2 It's one of the best movies of all time And by the way one of the best Bad Boys confirmed Ben Queen could be anywhere between between 19 and 58 years old.

1:07:25You are somewhere in that 40 year, 39 year. No, no, it's not because you could, I think you could be passed for 24, which you are. But if someone said, well, I'm fine. I don't want to ruin the joke. Fine. You couldn't pass for 40. But the point is you have a very generic looking age. It's hard to tell with you. But anyways, thank you for the great selections considering you only got into Jay at four, four, four. That is wild, dude. I would have pegged Ben Queen for maybe 56 56 years old I overstated it I wish

1:08:01we all do buddy we all do Kelly Murphy is shocked she's taking you at face value dip by the way stay tuned everyone some exciting things in the mix for the station I don't know Kelly have they revealed any of the plans for a SummerSlam weekend or no? Is nothing out there yet? I know the Busted Open crew will be out there. Sam will be out there. Some graphics are out, but no exact details just yet. Got it. All we know is that people will be out there. Yeah, doing their thing. We're having conversations about some things. I believe we're going to have... Dip, you know it's a big deal when Cheap Heat gets a special start time.

1:08:41You know it's a big deal. I believe we have a special start time on that SummerSlam Friday, but it's going to be good. We're looking forward to that very much and of course earlier in the day we're going to be out at the big wrestling for sale uh pop-up um which is going to be a great time as well go to wrestling for sale on instagram get all the information if you are into vintage things you will want to be there plus i'm going to be there hopefully dip will be there he's a very busy man he's going to be hawking and schlocking coffee up a storm all weekend so if he makes time for us he'll he'll also come by the pop-up um all right so the so you believe la knight could be world champion here's they're gonna have to do it at some point dude well here's the IC title i don't know he had the u.s title for sure yes the u.s title for sure anything else uh kelly can you let me know that i think just u.s look at that but let me just say this so what does he have to do because you and many others said it's going to end by the way very interesting explaining to my brother the hate for la night because he missed my brother told me he now really likes la night at first he didn't and now he's like i don't know why i like him now i'm a fan and i said i said you know there there was a really big blowback to LA Knight.

1:10:10And he missed, and yes, he was just US champion. And he, Nick obviously missed the era. I was like, yes, there was a period where a lot of people really pushed back on LA Knight because they found him to be derivative. He reminded them too much of Stone Cold on the mic, too much of The Rock in the ring, and people really, like, had an issue. That went away. Would you agree with that, Dip? Like, does he truly remind you of anyone anymore, or you think it's no he still has shades of that stuff but i i wouldn't i i don't think of him the way that i used to think of him no so i wonder now because i could see it really happening i could see him winning the title i could see it being a great moment my question is and i asked this to the uh the universe also as well 877-344-4893 what would la night have to do to really be in position to do that like what what's the thing that happens where you're like oh yeah now i now now he's he's in like because we saw him we saw him in there cutting a promo with seth rollins you know i think he looks like he should be there but like he hasn't had a story to tell they've kept him here's what here's I guess I'm getting to I'm a fan I like LA Knight I love the story of him getting here I love the real life hard work story that follows him I love the fact that a lot of people hated on him when he came around and he's just continued to sort of be over with people and like I I just dig it you know what I mean he's an old school guy he looks like a pro wrestler he feels like a pro wrestler he's sneaky athletic he's still in great shape and can go.

1:12:00I think he's what, 40 years old, something like that, 41. Like, all of that stuff. I guess what I don't love, Dip, is that he has sort of hovered near the top of the card without really getting that story. He's 43. From Hagerstown, Maryland, by the way. So shout out to my guy from Maryland. But you know what I'm saying, Dip? What's the story? He's always involved in the Usos. Now he's involved in it with Seth. But like, I always feel like the LA Knight story is adjacent to other people's stories. It's not LA Knight's true story. Is that a fair assessment? Absolutely. Absolutely. Here's the thing.

1:12:44I'm going to say something you'd never suspect that I would say. I would love LA Knight to have his big, shocking title win. His big Darby Allin shocking title win. anything that pops the crowd big and is surprising these days that is what we hope to get at this point i want ellie knight you know it seems like if you were to ever to get to the top of the mountain it would be as a baby face because he's only been a baby face so far so it's all i can picture but what is that story you know like who is the what is his why besides he's always like wanted to do it like they just we've never gone a level deeper with him that is he to me he has the skill set he looks like a million bucks he can talk he's got fun moves that are kind of different for his body type you wouldn't kind of guess that he can move the way he can but what's that next layer of the character i i don't know do you think there what could that be?

1:13:56Maybe he, I don't know, man. The biggest thing that he has going is the song. It's one of the greatest theme songs ever. My brother loves the song too. He pointed out the song. I never thought about it before that. I never thought about the song being a big deal. Is it the way the song hits or is it the L and nine? Boom. I mean, it's explosive no matter what. Who has the best? It's an amazing song. Who has the best few seconds of a song right now? It's LA Night. LA Night has the best theme. And Jacob. And Oba. Oba's getting there. Yeah. By the way, I... The person whose song I don't like is Bron Breaker.

1:14:48You're not into Bron Breaker's song? no love braun breaker i would love we know we know we need a new song full bloom full bloom love we know but what do you what do you what do you make of cody's having the talking there's more than one royal family i think cody seems amazing i love it but do you think it should have the talking at the beginning or should it just go right to the like i wonder if whether the talking it kind of gives you it's like a five second period before you hear the big part I like it I have no issues with Cody's song you like not yes yes I do I'm into it for sure yeah I mean they're all I mean trying to think of another theme that I don't love like anything that's too like hard rocky but without a like a hook you know that doesn't really work for me but uh you know as themes become you know but la night is just music playing no la's got there's no he's got a

1:15:52yeah he's got a great theme it's just a vibe but it's not a song it's not like a there's no hook it's just a vibe it's really just a vibe but i agree it's very very good yeah do you think maybe a lot of good yeah i'm looking at his previous uh ring names what if he went back to this character um el hijo de trump did you know that existed no i have to know i have to know when that gimmick was happening um hey speaking of el hijo damien priest to uh to triple a what are your what are your T's. I'm good with it. Let's see what he can do there. I got no issue with it. Again, back to the thing that we were just talking about.

1:16:45There's so many people. And where do all these people go on SmackDown and Raw? Did SmackDown drop to two hours yet, by the way? Did we already have it? Did it happen already? Not yet, but I think it's coming. Is it today? It's any moment. So it's even less spots though for people to shine. So, you know, Damian Priest to me is a star. I think he's fantastic. And I think having him be a major player at AAA is potentially a great thing. Yeah, could be great. Now, tell me this. Maxine Dupree, heel Maxine Dupree teased it

1:17:33I like it I like it not to be too much of a shell today but I like it I think she needed a refresh and this is a I like a stable I love a stable I don't know people are saying the vision I don't know about the vision anymore but let me tell you adding Maxine Dupree it starts to make it more of a thing because what it was starting to feel like was it was a stable. It's now just a tag team. Adding Maxine. I think it elevates both of them. I think so too. I mean, Austin Theory has been on the precipice of something amazing for years. And now I feel. Love him. Believe in him. And I think that this adds value for both parties.

1:18:19So. Did I miss anything in how we got to Maxine being the girlfriend? like wasn't it just like mentioned and implied a couple of weeks ago and that was it did i miss something it wasn't it wasn't that clear it wasn't that a few incidents occurred but there was i don't think there was ever like a like she was in the background she left with him um so okay so there was a background there was a background leaving with him and there was a conversation where he's like hey if you want to be with me then blah blah blah blah and that was kind of it no like that I think something like that Kelly are we missing anything no dip's right the seed was planted because of all the background interactions and then they had one conversation and then this past week happened correct yes yes that's how all relationships that's how all relationships are formed by the way I think solo needs a new song too you're out on solo song alright you should come with some notes I think to SummerSlam and walk up to people and just hand them to them.

1:19:25Solo. Ah, glad I saw you here. Song. Problem. We gotta fix it. Not a problem. Not a problem. It's just not my favorite song. I don't know. I think he'd benefit from, you know, I don't know. By the way, love Solo Seko though, too. I think there's something, you know, I'm a fan. I think he's something plus as well. All right. I want to get to, we have not spent any time yet on Dark Side of the Ring. The new season of Dark Side of the Ring, there's a two-part TNA episode. which is really, really fascinating. And I already really like Double J, and I've been interested in Jeff Jarrett, but just learning about what he went through with the passing of his wife, how hard, of course, the loss of Owen was on him, and then several years later to lose his wife, which is just on a whole different level, taking care of his family while trying to start this company.

1:20:14The craziest part in that doc, and I feel comfortable saying this because he put it in the documentary, so who am I to not be able to speak on it? He had such, Jeff Jarrett's fallout was so bad with his dad, Jerry Jarrett, that when Double J's wife passed from cancer, the dad didn't go to the funeral. Can you fucking imagine? Double J, God bless you. You know I am a fan of you, Karen, your lovely people. I didn't know your father. That is one of the most insane and psychotic things. I am so sorry you ever had to deal with that, that anything could have happened in their wrestling. They were beefing about booking and like things in the business and someone's wife passes and his father goes, I'm skipping the funeral.

1:21:07That is, that is sick, man. That is a next level thing. Jeff, Jeff Jarrett is someone that I've gotten to know a little bit over the last few years. You're a huge fan, right? I got to tell you, there is nobody I've had more fun talking to. He is, he's up there. He's on the Matt Rushmore of a fun conversation. I couldn't agree more than I've had. I mean, I love the man. No, he is. He is, he is a real absolute gem. Yeah. We're going to, we're going to have them up here. I was going to have them on this week. And then there was just so much other promo on the station this week for the dark side. I said, let's wait.

1:21:40We'll have Jeff on. He did. He did our station last week. He did a hell Wani like a week ago. I said, let's give it a little break and we'll have double J on. Cause yeah, He is an absolute gem. We didn't get to Tim in Arkansas who wanted to say that Jacob is the next tribal chief. Obviously, that's something that's a possibility that's very exciting. I just am amped up to get the show on the road with what that's going to be. And this has been Queen understanding the assignment. When you close out today, I don't need slam da-da-da. I can time it with any sort of music. I know how to hit the post.

1:22:14so we go out with the dead president's instrumental because I'm going to the Reasonable Doubt show tonight. Dip, stay mage. I'll see you in a few days. Kelly, Ben Queen, Isla, Emilio, thank you guys. We appreciate you. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. We'll catch you guys next week. Stay mage.