Could Chris Jericho Return to WWE?

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out to that guy, yeah. The major stick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The major king. 24 seconds. A thousand percent confirmed. M-mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. M-m-m-m-m-m-mage.

0:30Donald고요.

0:58Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was Rappod. It was Rappod. It's professional wrestling. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world's number one, well, former podcast, now radio program. It's called She Pete right here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7, Sirius XM, channel 156. I'm your forever 24-7 champion Peter Rosenberg. I'm being joined back in Philadelphia by the physically broken down SGG. That's right. Home of this past week's Monday Night Raw and NXT. That's right. Were you at either? No, I watched from home. I feel like I have the best seats in the house at my house these days.

1:47I get it. It's called being old and washed, bro. We've all been there. We get in there. we are you're you're really there i'm there it is getting there no no you're not there you're you have two weeks to your foot fully there uh and in uh los angeles we have 38 at 35 dipperstein hey dip how do you not hi how do you not go to raw if it's in philly well what's going on don't you love wrestling and think it's great i do love wrestling i do think it's great but did you consider either sug did you consider either not for a second wow wow great shows great shows highly entertaining there's some of the you know some of the best shows on tv right now but also like you know dealing with getting in and getting out and getting home it was enough it was enough yeah i get it i get it well listen we have a lot of things to talk about that happened there and some things that are happening about in the future also coming up later on this program later in the hour we will have one of my favorite young superstars from evolve i want to start introducing the audience because i'm i'll be honest evolve to me is as fun an hour as there is in pro wrestling i don't think it's getting i may be slightly biased but i do not think it's getting the love and attention it deserves from most of the the people who cover wrestling and talk about it so i want to start bringing on some of the talent and introducing the people so today we're gonna have young kendall gray on the program as my wife just threw up this the swipe right uh gesture soon babe we're gonna get a swipe right soon well that answered my question that answered my next question because i was gonna say you know is the vanity project banned as you make this effort to talk to as many evolved talents as you can are they on the blacklist i don't want to spoil you know you know i like to live in kayfabe um but let me just say it is possible that someone from the vanity project came to my home this week and helped us with furniture wow sounds like a great guy or girl by the you think it was data steel couldn't i just don't want to leave her out you know listen help is a vague phrase it could be that she said you know put it over there it looks better here did none of the heavy lifting true but that could be helped by the way you know kind of like she does with the vanity project week to week she's not always doing the heavy lifting no in fact she's usually losing if we're being honest but however somebody needs that eye for detail and bringing things together um all right so before we get to any of that and i think guys before we even um get to the meat and potatoes of what happened this week before we get to any of those things I want to start with some of the news of the week which is Wrestlepalooza I know we're late to it and if you've been listening to the channel all week long I'm sure you've heard many people talk about it but we haven't been on the air yet so here we are Wrestlepalooza September 20th it is the first WWE PLE on ESPN and we did not expect it to happen at this point.

5:13And guys, I didn't realize until a couple days ago that this was it. Like, once we hit WrestlePalooza, we've left Peacock. We are on to the ESPN situation. But that is it. We are now there. This is officially the beginning. We will not see any PLEs on Peacock moving forward. I got to say, SGG, if I have been a betting man, I would not have predicted that the first PLA on ESPN would be Wrestlepalooza. Yeah, I would have taken that same exact bet. I would not have bet that the first PLA we saw would be Wrestlepalooza on September 20th, right? Because that's the detail. Sure, maybe Wrestlepalooza sometime next year, January, whatever.

6:00They roll out the red carpet. No, they're getting right to it. Like you said, September 20th, Russell Palooza from Indianapolis. I'm very curious. I assume we don't know that it's going to be the John Cena Brock Lesnar dip, but that seems to be what everybody thinks it's going to be. I know that you – had you heard any sort of rumblings? Do you know anything of what's going on here? I mean like what's happening September 20th besides the fact that I'm going to get some delicious shrimp cocktail? That's the only thing I know. I know Pat McAfee will be on the show. It'll be the first time we've seen Pat McAfee on a show in a very long time because it's indie.

6:39So it's a given. And I know I'm going to get shrimp cocktail at St. Elmo's Steakhouse that night. Besides that dip, I have no idea what to expect. Tell me more about the shrimp cocktail that you're anticipating because, you know, I've been sampling shrimp cocktail around the country for 38 years. So it's a definitive order. If it's there, it's being ordered. And it's fun to talk with your friends or whoever you're with about how much each shrimp individually costs based on the price of the shrimp cocktail. Let me ask you a question. How long is the flight from Los Angeles to Indianapolis? Four?

7:16Yeah, probably four hours. I've never been to Indianapolis. I think, well, I mean, listen, you didn't go to see Hulk Hogan versus Psycho Sid? No, I wish. I wish I was there. well listen I don't know how much Indianapolis is a good town when it comes to events and it's a great town when it comes to St. Elmo's Steakhouse this is the number one shrimp cocktail on planet earth there's not a better shrimp cocktail I'll be the judge of that shrimp cocktail but by the way respectfully I don't think you can even judge because I don't know that you can I don't think you'll handle the sauce what do you mean I love spicy is it too spicy it's not spicy it's hot it's like the sauce is hot in in temperature no no no no no think out of here think wasabi okay what's you know what wasabi does to you yes the nose the nasal feeling you know that you know the nose feeling i'm talking about yes it is the number one nose feeling in all of food today it is it's on the mount rushmore of of of shrimp cocktail nose feeling sauce i tell any sauce text a very high level wrestling executive that you and I are friends with who is at your birthday party and ask this person about the nose feeling of the cocktail sauce because I went for the first time with him it was it is bed bath and be but it's like it's an event this is what's great about the cocktail is that the steaks at St.

8:48Elmo's Steakhouse are slamming and like it's most famous this place is most famous is that like during the NFL combine like the real action of the combine is happening at St. Elmo Steakhouse because everyone's there every night for dinner. It's the place just just draining the seas of shrimp. There's no more shrimp in Indianapolis after the combine. Let me ask you a question. How many shrimp come in the shrimp cocktail? And then we can get off the topic. I have to know. It all depends. If it's four, it's not enough. If it's five, it's good. If it's six. Now we're having a conversation. You don't remember, do you?

9:24I think it's four. I'm going to look at the menu. So what is it, like$28? It's$7 a shrimp? You can't have this. This is supposed to be the shrimp cocktail conversation. You're supposed to have it at the table. $3.50 a bite? All right, it's four jumbo shrimp. You can't beat him if you tell him. It's four jumbo shrimp. First of all, it's called the St. Elmo's Steakhouse. The shrimp cocktail has been served there since 1902. Okay, I need you to know. We're talking about 123 years of shrimp. I didn't know Americans were eating shrimp. Shrimp. I did not know Americans were eating shrimp in 1902. I didn't know that was a thing.

10:01You know the latest American or American-a-Jays to partake in that shrimp that I know of effect? I saw a picture posted by Mr. Bronson Reed there yesterday doing promo, stopping to get the shrimp. And he got last night, he got four jumbo shrimp served with our spicy signature cocktail sauce. and that'll cost you just$19.95. $5 per shrimp. $5 a shrimp with tax. Yeah, but you got to order. I think you got to order two orders. You got to order two orders. You got to have two orders for the table. Well, a four shrimp is a required two order shrimp cocktail thing. If you get five, you could do one order.

10:43And then somebody, you shoot for the fifth shrimp. Right, or if there's someone, if you're sitting with me, someone who's very passionate about the shrimp, go, Peter, please, have the shrimp for God's sake. I would give you the shrimp. Greg, I have no idea what I would do. I may eat the shrimp. No, I'm allergic, so it's all you. Kelly Murphy, the healthinator, they would get the fifth shrimp for sure. Wow, look at you. Very, very generous. Anyways, so I'll be an indie to have the shrimp. But besides that, guys, I have zero idea of what to expect from this show. And I do feel like it's kind of an interesting spot.

11:12So much is being made of the move to ESPN because as much as we, like, talked about how big Netflix would be for wrestling – Raw on Netflix is one type of exciting.

11:29PLEs, SummerSlam, WrestleMania, being on ESPN platforms, guys, when it comes to grabbing potentially lapsed fans, it's a huge deal. And especially if they decide to, and it's being, I'm hearing bantied. It's being bantied about. I'm hearing the bantying. if they air an hour two hours the entire ple on linear espn guys that's it that is a imagine wrestlemania just airing on espn television listen espn with this deal if they put these shows these ple's on linear espn television it's basically the way i view it as a wrestling fan espn just got the Super Bowl and like 11 All-Star games just ready to go right there on cable to their subscribers.

12:26I don't think they're going to do that. I don't think they're going to do what you just said because I think the biggest... Yeah, but the point of this is, is to get people on the new ESPN app to get the direct-to-consumer ESPN. Right. So they're not going to... But they could do some. They could hit you with some. They could say, hey, we're going to put But from 8 to 10, let's say, when does it go live? WrestleMania this year will go, what, 7 o 'clock Eastern time it'll go live? From 7 to 9 Eastern, WrestleMania on ESPN. So everyone watching their television, whenever whatever sports is on that day ends, all of a sudden you're watching WrestleMania.

13:08And then at 9 o 'clock it's over, you go, oh, there's still two more hours. I'm going to go to the app now and watch. So it's just a really dip. It's a potentially very exciting opportunity. What are your T's? Look, anybody that gets more access to rest, if the world gets more access to wrestling than they previously had. I think this is really all I was saying to somebody yesterday. It's at the end of the day. You know, we talk about there's a million sponsors and they're everywhere now. But at the end of the day, the idea that wrestling is on the precipice of being, if not more relevant or just as relevant as the major sports is kind of like what we always dreamed of and always what we always wanted.

13:49you know so it's been a weird it's been a weird week for for me in that a week and a half whatever the order was when we found out it was happening at first I really processed it as not a big thing like relative to my life being completely selfish here yes I work at ESPN yes I work at WWE yes I for a long time I've been the through line longer than anyone else I've been the through line of those two places. But I didn't see, like, I'm like, ah, is this good? Do I like my sports and my wrestling in the same place? Like, yes, I love my, you know what it's like? It's like getting a steak. It's like getting a sirloin at the strip club.

14:32And they'll tell you, oh, you know, Penthouse or Hustler, they have the best sirloin steak. You got to have the steak there. And I don't know if I want to have my sirloin while I'm enjoying what's happening at Hustler Club. These are two very different interests of mine. Do I want them in the same location? It's sort of the same way for me. I'm like, oh, do I want my sports and my sports entertainment all in the same place? But as the week has played out, and I'm seeing Seth Rollins pop up on Get Up, and CM Punk is on First Take, and I'm like, well, this just has to be good for business. and then I realized wait a second if they're going to be doing all this stuff on ESPN TV this could not only be good for for for business this could be good for Peter Rosenberg business oh yeah so I'm starting to like this I'm enjoying do you guys remember when we had a wrestling podcast at ESPN but they were no longer interested and we went gallivanting around before we found ourselves in the new new new new serious era that we're in right now so for me it's just cool to see ESPN embracing it because with different leadership there were past leaders who are no longer there who were very anti and you know and dip will remember I was having an uphill battle to try to do more wrestling there but they just there wasn't a big interest and now there is yeah and I yeah I look I they've come a long way since Spike TV and TNN I can tell you that right now so if you know Raw on by the way I think the TNN era was kind of mage but yeah it was But it's a long.

16:08For the Nashville Network. That was a long, long time ago, man. That is, it's so true. So we wanted to cover that part. Obviously, Clash in Paris is next week. And then three weeks later, we'll turn around and have Wrestlepalooza. And then somehow between now and then, we'll have another play related show. There's another Worlds Collide, right? Yes. Yes, there is. headlined by Dominic Estereo and Vikingo for the mega championship. Which there's so much interesting stuff going on right now that you just like wouldn't have predicted a year or two ago. There's just a lot happening in the world. So we're going to get to all of the things that happened on television this week, including the future of Naomi is now revealed.

16:57We've got to discuss what's going to happen in the women's division. There's rampant rumors about Chris Jericho. I do think it's fun to discuss if and when the inevitable Jericho back to WWE is going to happen. Like that has been, we all know, no matter what you feel about Jericho, and believe me, speaking from personal experience, I can tell you, it's mixed feelings. But the man is coming back one day and going into the Hall of Fame, right? He is a no-question-about-it all-timer. So that's an interesting thing to discuss as well. Love the man. There's a lot of different things to get to. Plus, Kendall Gray from Evolve.

17:37I'm excited to introduce you guys to her as well. Let me say this about Wrestlepalooza. Okay? Wrestlepalooza is a big deal because of the industry implications. It's not going to be some crazy travel to show. I recommend it. Yeah. This is one you go, you're like, you know what? It's not SummerSlam. People didn't have time to plan around this. It's going to be a local, regular, small market PLE. This is a great one to go to. It sounds like a wrestling bar mitzvah is what it sounds like. Wrestlepalooza. Little Jakey's 13. Come to Wrestlepalooza. It sounds like my bar mitzvah. By the way, it sounds like my birthday concert.

18:27Well, until I was almost 40. Yes. But I'm telling you, if you can catch a cheap flight, this is going to be like, you already know what Vegas is going to be from a financial standpoint, all those things, complications. Indy for just a quick, you know what I'm saying, guys? This is a fun one to just like last minute try to hit. Because there aren't a lot of, I always lament, there are not a lot of like small market PLEs anymore. I mean, think about it. The one this month that would be some American market PLE is in Paris. October might be one. That's Perth. November, you're back in San Diego. There just aren't a lot.

19:14You know, January is in Riyadh. Riyadh, yeah. You're not your typical Royal Rumble location. So, yeah, I think when these ones pop up, I always tell Dip. I always tell him to come like, hey, you should come hang this weekend. because it's nice to go to one without all the hoopla around it. And as we see things change more and more, there's just going to be less and less of them. So more hoopla. Hoopla is not ending. Hoopla is only getting bigger. We're at a different level of hoopla now at this point. We've never seen. In fact, when can the hoopla peak and there can be no more hoopla? I don't know if there's a ceiling on the hoopla.

19:56I can't predict a hoopla ceiling at this point. That's been the number one question this week of like how much bigger can it get, right? Because the Netflix deal was January. We thought that was the peak and that we wouldn't see a higher. There wouldn't be another level to hit for a while. And then before the year ends, they at ESPN. It's that's a great point. Like I wouldn't have been thinking about no one was even paying attention to the Peacock deal coming up. No, by the way, by the way. Sorry. Sorry. By the way, warning, I'm about to pull a major heel dick move here. Oh, my God. All the incredible journalists that were all the post-show press conferences.

20:38None of you asked what's going to happen when Peacock is up. It was never. SGG. We had so much media there to ask all of the big questions. And no one said, what are you guys going to do post-Peacock? Yeah. I mean, look, these aren't the people that break the news, unfortunately for them, right? They didn't see the Netflix deal. They didn't see this ESPN deal come in. They didn't. You know, these are the people who said WWE might be getting sold to Saudi. Oh, yeah. I forgot. They went crazy with that one. All right. No, SGG, let's not get me in more trouble. Let's wrap it up. Sorry. I took my shot.

21:25I took my shot. I'm just saying we all, myself included, we collectively forgot that the Peacock deal was coming up. And now all of a sudden we're in. I assumed it was going to Netflix. I assumed we were just going to go to Netflix with everything else. And we were going to get the same kind of deal they have internationally where they have just a one-stop shop for all things WWE. By the way, Dip has a very important phone call to make right now. Because remember, this gig is Dip's just, this is his hobby. This man is a mover and a shaker. but I brought in I have brought in a backup co-host who I really think can hold things down here what are your thoughts SGJ as we were saying earlier she's majeure I mean if you're watching on video the the video just got upgraded by a whole lot no offense to dip MJ do you have anything to say to the people the pecker heads out there on Sirius XM what do you say okay just kick your It's perfect that you brought her on for this segment, though, because you alluded to it earlier, I believe.

22:26But we do have to talk about babies on the way. Oh, that's a great big announcement. It's great. On Raw. Yeah. People were speculating about what it was. Possibly the worst kept secret in wrestling. Yes, it was certainly out there. She did make it official. She announced that she is expecting and she's going to be away for a while. I loved that segment. I could see people having mixed feelings on it because it certainly was playing some games with character and storyline. But what I loved is – and she's done this a few times during this big heel run of when something emotional happens where she snaps back into character and you can see that she's fighting it.

23:12I just find it completely charming. I mean, I know she was sort of breaking a bit, but I loved watching her sort of fight the tears back in the moment, but then snapping back into yelling at people. I just thought it was awesome.

23:30What is that? I think she agrees. She has nothing. You're not offering. This sounds like when Dip and SGG were talking over each other last week. But no, it sounds better. I'm so happy for them. Naomi is literally about as good a person as exists in WWE, so I'm just extremely, extremely happy for both of them. SGG, so this Clash in Paris card, though, let's talk about this right now. You have John Cena and Logan Paul, as we've talked about, so we don't need to really spend a lot of time there. We kind of know what that was, right? It didn't seem like Logan Paul was going to be next. It seems like a bit of a pivot situation.

24:12But guess what? It's going to be very entertaining. We'll have both of them tonight, right? They should both be in. I believe so. I believe they both will be in. Yeah, depending on when you're listening to the show. If you're listening live right now at 12.33, I'm guessing that show gets started, I think, in three hours. Or no, two hours. Yeah, in two hours. So I'm guessing we'll have both of them tonight, and hopefully we'll have a fun setup. I mean, listen, my weird feelings about how Cena got to being babyface Cena are not going to go away overnight, SGG. I'm not going to all of a sudden be like, this is dope.

24:47But at the same time, I think when we're in the moment and the music hits and we get to watch him do the greatest hits now, we're still going to be able to enjoy it. Simply for the fact, even if we don't like the execution, simply for the fact that we were deprived of it for the first several months of his return. So now when you see him versus Logan, even if you're one of the fans, and I understand this, who's annoyed about how we got there, you're going to be like, hey, a little baby face John Cena. I haven't seen this in a while. Yeah, and that's the magic of where Cena is right now is that as poorly executed as I think the baby face run was, this is what people wanted.

25:27they wanted John Cena as a good guy so they could throw flowers at his feet for this whole year like you said we didn't get it but people are gonna be so hyped to do it especially once they hit that entrance which I think is major I hope he keeps it you know the whole never seen 17 grace in this place with his his appearance for the last time keep it all and let people soak it in I think people are gonna they're gonna cheer for him we here Seamus and Rusev I love everything about these guys in the ring together uh Donnybrook match that's gonna be fun what does Donnybrook match mean depends but we're gonna love it um now the next two are the ones that I think SGG are frankly the most interesting yeah I don't know the fatal four-way for the World Heavyweight Championship.

26:20Seth, Punk, Uso, LA Knight. It's going to be a lot of fun. You're getting marquee people in there. I am surprised by this match though. I didn't expect us to come out of Summer Slam and land on a title match for LA Knight. Even though LA Knight has his gripe, obviously, with Seth Rollins and that part makes sense. Not only that, he has a win over Seth Rollins because of the way things played out. I get all that SGG. But I am sort of surprised. I gotta tell you, I'm surprised Jay Uso is in a title match as well. Why is Jay... I know why LA Knight surprised you because it wasn't you and it wasn't me, but somebody on this co-host was very emphatic about the fact that LA Knight would be nowhere in Seth's orbit at all.

27:09Very emphatic. And he's been there ever since. But I guess Jay getting a rematch... makes well i mean listen jay's kind of out of that picture i mean i guess it makes sense that he'd be hovering around as a contender it is the same title that he had just a few ple's back right um punk makes sense obviously because punk in theory should deserve a rematch um but why wouldn't why wouldn't gunther deserve anything here yeah where is gunther that's where where's the guy who who literally was taking gts after gts in that match yeah i mean and mind you and gutter said this during the build-up to that match he only the only thing he knows as far as his ww career is being a champion or a championship contender so the fact that he's not even in this orbit it is a little weird doesn't it feel like the match that would have made sense in theory for a rematch would have been a triple threat cm punk gunther seth rollins yes yes it does that's kind of that to me would have been the more logical here we are instead we have no gunther and la night i sort of feel like la night that story should have come around after the gunther thing was kind of wrapped up now la knight shows up and is like well what about me yeah i mean the more i think about it though i think you are right that jay uso does feel like the weird one here because the way things played out like you said seth faked an injury to duck la knight and then goes right into a championship why would la knight be done with him why would la knight just walk away from that so la knight being here actually is not is not that surprising but um yeah it's gonna be a great match I think I'm curious about how you feel about Roman Reigns and Bronson Reed because it is interesting Bronson Reed is a big star he's on the rise but it is a different time for Roman Reigns opening up yeah it is tag matches matches against Bronson Reed we're going to get into that in hour two but up next I'm very excited to introduce you to Kendall Gray from WWE Evolve we'll do it next right here on Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation Sirius XM channel 156 ladies and gentlemen it is cheapy live serious xm pro wrestling nation um listen many of you all of you should know that i every single wednesday night eight o 'clock on tubi am proud to be the voice of wwe evolve thank you along with my good friend robert stone and we have a great time i think this show is the most fun hour in wrestling every week you can like just sit down not invest your entire night and like throw on wrestling for an hour and really enjoy yourself and one of the bright young faces who a lot of people have been talking about and i who i think has a tremendous upside in evolve is my guest now on the show kendall gray kendall thank you for joining cheap heat how are you thank you i'm great i'm so excited to be here so i appreciate you giving me this opportunity no well listen i i was talking to gabe sapolski and the and the powers that be evolve and we were like we got to get we got to start building this conversation around these these talents that we have and you know cali our champion cali armstrong was on with o'shea jackson last week and uh we thought you'd be a perfect person to jump on and talk a bit so i'd love to get your story like for as much as i've called your matches now and and seen you on television i i know you have an amateur athletic background um but first first things first like do you have an old school love of wrestling?

31:02When did you get familiar with pro wrestling? Right. So I grew up with an older brother and me and my brother used to love playing the like Royal Rumble games on like the phone or on the, I think it's an iPad or a Xbox or no, it was an Xbox. It was an Xbox. Okay. We were playing the Xbox game and we used to love playing it. We used to fight over like being the undertaker and all that stuff. So I was definitely introduced to it at a young age my dad took us to some smackdown events as well i actually have a photo too of me wearing a you can't see me sign uh like chain thing for john cena so i have a photo of me when i was like super young wearing this is this is in vegas yeah or i don't know where the event was but i do have a photo of it at smackdown i just but you were but you were but you were growing up you grew up in las vegas correct yes i did all right cool so it could have been i guess i could ask my done but um by the way for for all of the listeners who i have who are closer to my age who are like wait a second you were a little kid and you were john cena you can't see yes kendall's 24 years old so um yeah you are very very young as almost the entire almost the entire roster is uh at evolve so um tell us a little bit about your amateur athletic career and how you ended up finding your way to WWE?

32:24Okay. Well, so I did amateur wrestling. I started in high school. My dad kind of, you know, I started doing jujitsu, Muay Thai, all that when I was 11. And then when I got to high school, my dad kind of was like, oh, you should try amateur wrestling. And I was like, oh, you're joking. Cause there's only guys on the team. Like there's no females. And so I tried out and then took off from there, went to college and through college WWE had the NIL program, like the name, image and likeness. And so I kind of got in contact with them kind of through Jacob Casper on Monday Night Raw. And it kind of took off there.

32:56I tried out after I graduated college and I loved it. I fell in love with it. I didn't know it was an opportunity that I could have, honestly. But now that I'm in it, I can't imagine doing anything else, you know? So, so wait, but you skipped over the entire high school part. So you made, so you made the team and were wrestling boys like what was your high school wrestling career like yeah so i was the only female on the male varsity team and i was competing against guys um i you know it was a great opportunity and i loved it i felt like i was like one of the bros on the guys team you know what i'm saying um they were very excited to have me on there but my very first practice the coach because they were not used to girls wanting to try out so the coach was like if you're here for a boyfriend can get the hell out or whatever.

33:45I don't even know if I can say that, but he was like, get out. And I was like, went home crying and stuff. But you know, eventually they saw that I was taking it serious and that's what I wanted to do. So I was competing against guys. I was in 106 pound weight class and I was the first female to qualify for the all boys state tournament. Yeah. It was really fun. Yeah. Oh, so you, so you balled out is what you're saying. It went well. I tried the first like year went rough because I started with jiu-jitsu and so I would like get myself dq'd because I wasn't able to lock hands and I was doing things that I wasn't able to do um but yeah it was really fun it was a super great experience and now it's cool sorry it's really cool to see now in Vegas like there's high school teams with full woman roster and they didn't have that when I was there so it's super cool to like look back at that and see how far women's wrestling has grown you know just in you know what you were a freshman 10 years ago like this isn't that long ago you know what i mean that's crazy so wait so so what'd you do in in college did you continue wrestling in college yes i went to a women's wrestling uh like i was on a women's wrestling um program yeah i was on a scholarship there um but women's wrestling wasn't d1 so there was a lot of smaller schools when i graduated high school so i went into a naia school called Life University.

35:07But it was a woman person. Not going to lie. Not going to lie. When I looked at your Wikipedia page and it said Life University, I thought it was like one of those Monday night football things when they show the players and like they're just trying to talk ish. So they're like, yeah, I'm from the streets university. Like I didn't think that was, but no, it was really Life University. Yeah. So that's like the crazy part because like when people ask me, they're probably expecting me to say some like Big Ten school or something. But like that wasn't an opportunity for us. So when I say like Life University, they're like, like, what is that?

35:36I'm like, it's a smaller school out in Georgia, you know, but now it's actually fun. Like, it's really cool because D1 programs are having women's wrestling. Like, Iowa Hawkeye is the first program to have women's wrestling. So, it's really cool to have. Like, if I had a daughter when I was older and she wanted to wrestle, like, she will have opportunities to go to D1 programs. So, it's really cool. Super cool. And by the way, I think you're only going to help that further as people like you evolve, pun intended, into pro wrestlers. So you end up connecting with WWE. And at Evolve, our talent is broken up between people who are at the Performance Center and people who are part of the ID program.

36:17You are Performance Center talent. I will say this, and I'm not just saying this because you're here. You do seem like among the most developed of the Performance Center talent. Like you see, and clearly like you're traveling a lot with NXT, you've been used at NXT. Like there's clearly confidence in your development so far. What do you credit that to? Who do you credit that to? Like who down at the PC has really helped you, you know, Peyton become Kendall Gray? Honestly, I feel like I can't even say like one name because all the coaches, all the training partners. They, everyone has contributed like into that, you know, like they've all in, um, helped me out so much when it comes to promos, when it comes to talking, when it comes to like finding who I am, what my character brings to developing like skills in the ring outside the ring.

37:13Um, so there's so many people that I can say, even training partners pushing me every single day, being the best version of myself in and outside of the ring. So there's so many people I can say, but truthfully, um, if I had to name a few, I would say coach bloom, um, coach Moss, coach Spears, um, for promos, I would say, um, Russo, obviously cats and like training partners. Truthfully, like I came in with a really, really group, like good group of people. And Callie Armstrong was one of them. Uh, Chantel Monroe, Lainey Reed, she didn't come in with me, but me and her developed a really good um friendship and we all like just train together and try to get better every single day so those would be my top people to like give credit to you know have you and have you gotten to work out and roll around with at least um other main roster and nxt talent i imagine that at times that happens as well yeah um our classes are like mixed with everyone.

38:14So I'm in class with JC Jane, Fallon, um, results in my class. Callie's in my class, like all the NXT stars are in our class. So we are constantly training with them. Um, so it's really helpful and it's really nice to have that experience. I rolled around with Charlotte a couple of times. Ivy Nile will come in a couple of times. So what's it, what's it like? What's it like getting to, you know, dance with the queen a little bit. Oh, she's amazing. She's so good. And it's just the way she thinks about it and so smart. She gives great advice too. And honestly, she opened my eyes about a lot of things in this business so far.

38:53What has the Evolve experience been like for you? I mean, since the very beginning, I think it's been pretty clear. And if you're not watching every Wednesday night, 8 o 'clock on 2B, there's just so many incredible young talents. But you and Callie have definitely jumped out as two of the younger new talents. Obviously, we have some people, your Kylie Rae's, your Wendy Chews, who are a big part of it, who have been around. I'm sure they're invaluable for you as well. But like, what has that experience been like for you getting to have like a recurring role on an actual TV wrestling program? I mean, it's been amazing.

39:28I'm super grateful for this experience and I'm super happy to be able to do it. Evolve is like a newer program. So I'm excited to be like a part of that. and we had a tag match for the first match ever on Evolve. So it's honestly a great opportunity. And it gives, I feel like it gives a lot of like athletes and people there an opportunity to like develop more and get comfortable in the ring and set them up for the future, hopefully getting to NXT Raw or SmackDown in the future, you know? So I think it's honestly great. And I have no complaints about it at all. Are you at NXT TVs every week? I'm not on NXT every week, but I do go and watch every single week in the Gorilla or whatever.

40:12I'm always back there watching and observing and seeing what's going on. Is that the kind of thing? I'm just curious. And it's OK. We talk inside baseball here. Is that the kind of thing that like you just decide to do? Is that told to you to be there or is it up to each talent, like how much you want to be around and just sort of be in people's faces? I feel like when we first got there, they mentioned to go. Um, I don't think everyone goes every Tuesday. Um, I feel like I personally, me, like if I'm taking this job serious and I want to make it far, like, I feel like going is the best thing for me to learn, to watch.

40:47Like there's so much things to learn just by watching. So I definitely like to be in that environment. Cause one day I'm hoping to be there on a Tuesday going out for a match. So it's, I feel like that's the best way to get comfortable sitting there watching how behind the scenes work just so when it's my turn, I can feel good about doing it. You know, Yeah, you won't even like feel weird because you'll be like, well, I've been in this spot a million times. The only difference is now I get to be the one who goes out and wrestles a match. But all of the other stuff feels familiar, which I think that is absolutely like this is a business in my experience where like people have a great respect for you wanting to be around.

41:26You know, like that is, you know, people expect that if you love it and you want to be a part of it, it's kind of like a hard fraternity to get into, obviously. So it's like expected that you want to be there. Not like, not like you're just there when they ask you to be there and you're out the door. Right. Right. And I, like I said, like, I, I love this. Like, I love what I'm doing and I'm very passionate about it. And I, I want to go as far as I can with it. But of course this job, like anything can happen. So I try to go to everything. I try to take every opportunity and take it, you know, like, I don't want to look back if some cases, like if something happened and I'm like, okay, you're not going to work here anymore.

42:04I don't want to look back at my experience like, dang, I could have done this or I could have done this more. I could have been there. I could have shown up here. Like, I want to take all this experience in because I didn't even realize I could be doing this when I was in college. So it's like such a great experience. And I just want to, you know, enjoy every single thing and be at everything if I can, you know? well listen i i just wanted today to be an opportunity for people who are not familiar to like get eyes on you hear you and start learning who someone like the really exciting talent is at evolve and i really think you are one of those names so i just wanted to get you out here it's been a pleasure i look forward to calling your match uh whenever you i don't know if you have a match next week or the week after but whenever it is i look forward to doing it um good luck and if i can ever be of service holler at me anytime and congratulations on everything kendall we appreciate it thank you so much i appreciate it uh shout out to kendall gray um for joining us i love hearing sug that she just like makes the decision to make sure she's at nxt every single week like just gonna be there in gorilla be around and you can see the results a you see it in the ring i think she looks like one of the most developed youngsters they have and she's getting the you know getting the call to go hit nxt and do this that and the next yeah I agree with you too like because that's what you hear about all the greats right like eventually at during the documentary there's that point where they're just like oh yeah and then they would be backstage watching all the matches even when their match is done and she she might not even have a match she doesn't even have a match on the car at NXT she's just there watching all the matches walking up to people do you have any advice and then they eventually become the veteran that people go to for advice.

43:43She went to Philly this week. She'll travel with them. Is she really, and you know, I don't know if they ask her to be there in case or if it's just she wants to be there, but either way you love to see that from Kendall Gray. Excited to see what she has. And interesting to see that her and Callie have been together because they're two, clearly two among the best of the young PC talent that they have. So, shout out to everyone who's checking on Evolve every Wednesday night, 8 o 'clock. Before we talk Roman and Bronson Reed, can you just remind me to get back to the little tidbit I saw about the anniversary of Hulk Hogan versus Shawn Michaels?

44:24Actually, you know what? Why don't we just do that right now? We'll start there. Why don't we start there? Because SGG is not going to forget about Roman. And then we'll go right to Roman. I always was amused by the way Shawn Michaels bumped for Hogan in that SummerSlam match. I had never read, and this was just a thing that popped up on social media. So this could either be like a well-known thing that I'm just late to hearing about, or it could be complete internet nonsense that I'm just falling for. But it did make sense when I read it, and then I was re-watching the highlights. did you have you guys ever heard that hogan refused to lose they wanted to have another match afterwards and hogan refused to lose either of the matches so sean was like all right and they did the matches and so that's why sean oversold everything like a complete lunatic the entire match yes yes you've heard that you've heard that sean was supposed to win originally and then it It was like, okay, well, Hogan doesn't want to lose.

45:32So they were going to, okay, we'll do a trilogy. The big four. We'll start SummerSlam, Survivor Series Mania, like take it out down the road. Hogan's like, nah, I'm not going to do that either. Not going to work for me, brother. And so Sean was just like, all right, well, usually he can out-politic whoever it is. So he figured I'm not going to out-politic Hogan on this one. So we're just going to go and make him like a fool. You know the bumping we're talking about, right? Oh my god, of course. It's classic bumping. It's one of the craziest bumping ever. And do you know what's the funniest thing about it is?

46:07Is that I remember when it happened, that's when I was just getting back into WWE. I remember us airing the commercial for SummerSlam. I'm just remembering this now. on my local radio station, WJFK, the station for which if I never worked on it, I never would have gotten back into wrestling. But we started giving away tickets, and this dude Joe Palkowski was doing promo, and they invited me to a show, and they gave me Taz and Cole as guests, and I was back in because of this. We were running this one commercial where I always thought it was so funny because it sounded so typically Hogan that it's Hogan talking to Sean.

46:52And he goes, if you wanted a match with me, all you had to do was ask. And like we aired this commercial nonstop because for SummerSlam. And that's also what he said to Andre, by the way. By the way, it is true. That's all Hogan thinks because Hogan, because a lot of good guys decided they had enough of Hogan's nonsense. It's so funny. When I met him in the bathroom, when I met him in the bathroom at the Andre the Giant premiere, he said the same thing to me, too. Is that true? Yeah. we were washing our hands we were washing our hands together and I said oh Mr. Hogan I've never met you before I'm a huge wrestling fan he goes if you want to match with me all you have to do is ask and Dip was like I don't want to match with you can you just do you mind grabbing a paper towel you're right there thanks if you wanted a paper towel Dipperstein all you had to do is ask.

47:52But it's funny. So me as a complete novice smart mark back in 2005, 2006, when I saw that match, and I'm making up what it is to be a smart fan at the time. They didn't have, for the record, there were not coaches into smart fandom in the early aughts. What do you mean? Like now, if you decide you want to get really into wrestling, and you want to have a better understanding of it and go a level deeper than just watching on TV, there's literally a channel that airs 24-7 on Sirius. It's called Sirius XM Channel 156, Pro Wrestling Nation, 24-7. It's great. I'm listening all the time. And you can listen and, like, learn, you know, mostly factual things.

48:36But, like, when you were a kid in the early 2000s, I'm not a kid. I was 25 years old, whatever, trying to figure it out. I'm just like, oh, I'm going to watch. I'm going to read books, and I'm going to learn. So I watch Shawn Michaels selling for Hogan. and my interpretation at that time 20 years ago was wow that's a lot of respect for hulk hogan he just he he respects hogan so much that he's bumpy every i mean the guy sean michaels sold the leg drop no one sells the leg drop they just eat it and get pinned sean flails into the air like my daughter does when I wake her up. Like he flails his whole body up in the air.

49:22Like he just kept selling and selling. It is. So I just, Dip, I never knew that it was actually definitively that, supposedly. I wish we still lived in a world where, you know, we thought that still, that that was still the case. I don't like the world we're living in now. This is not the world. I want to be living on Blockbuster and Raja.com. These are the only things I, you know, so. Rajah's been around that long, huh? Since the very beginning. Yeah. And we're giving them a huge plug right now. But I got to tell you, it's still clean. It's still. They deserve it, though. It's still clean. I mean, it's.

49:59It's an aggregator. It's not even a real website. It's just an aggregator of news stories. Well, it used to be like really the best, in my opinion, the best one. I still look at it. I'm still on it every single day. It's the one I go to. But it mostly I'm saying is just they mostly take stories and then they will credit where it's from. But just print story. It's just a wire for wrestling, basically. But now that these websites have become that. But back in the day, they were actually like writing stories a little bit more so than they do now. Shout out to Raja, though. I'm a Raja on S.E. Scoops guy.

50:32Those are the two. That's where you go. That's where I'm going. S.E.G., what's your? Yeah, Raja. Really? Wow. Really? Not an S.E. Scoops guy? S.E. Scoops is good. Nah. I mean, they're all printing crazy things now at this point, but I – you know. That's different. That's the time we live in. That's the time we live in. But they're the two best, I think. I don't know. Before we get too far away from it, though, I do want to say I could see why you would think it was great respect for Hulk Hogan because it did have like a Kurt Hennig kind of feel to it, like the way he bumped and moved around. Oh, in fact, that's a great call because I think Henning did that same bump on the rope.

51:13Yeah, the turnbuckle bump. We've seen Henning do that. And I don't imagine Henning was mocking whoever he was doing with at the time. Warrior. Oh, maybe he was. Anyways, SGG. So I got to ask SGG. Your GOAT. Table one, seat one, fingers up, the whole nine. Roman Reigns now has opened SummerSlam in a tag match. And now he'll go to Clash and have a match with Bronson Reed. Obviously, Bronson Reed is on the rise. That is a meaningful matchup for Bronson Reed, certainly. But I'm curious to ask you, as a huge Roman fan, do you feel any way that at this moment it feels like Roman's, the matches he's getting are not of the ilk we were used to them being for like five years straight no not at all like that's that's so far from my concern right because the matches we're getting are matches that we're getting for me to be a roman fan that was deep he needs to be on tv right he needs to be on tv if he's not on tv i don't need him to be in the main event every time i don't need to be fair champion the whole time but he's on tv and his storylines mean something And you remember my other goat, Brett, there was a time everybody always thinks of Brett as champion, main event contender, but he was wrestling Hakushi.

52:38He was having Kiss My Feet match with Jerry the King. He had a feud over his stolen leather jacket. That was the matches we were getting, but he was still on TV and he was still my guy and I still enjoyed it. And that's where we are with Roman, who's also being robbed. And I will say this though, too, like he don't have a crew anymore. You remember when Kurt Angle shot the big show with that tranquilizer gun? Of course. I feel like Roman needs one of these if he's going to keep showing up to Raw. He needs to either walk out barefoot like his father and his uncle or pop out with the tranquilizer gun.

53:13But he cannot keep coming out with new sneakers for Bronson Reed because that's what they have become at this point. It's a shoe store. Yeah. I looking bigger picture, though, I think Roman Reigns, even though we only see him now once in a while, needs he doesn't need a new identity, but he needs to speak. Yeah, I was thinking that, too. I was thinking that, too. It just feels like he's a pop out. There's a lot of pop outs, a lot of pop outs. He's just a guy that sort of he's just a guy that's saving people. And that's really all he's been doing for a very it feels like forever. I don't even know how long it's been, maybe a few weeks.

53:50But he's just a guy now that feels like he's saving people. He's a baby face that saves people he likes. I like that guy. I'm going to go save him. That's really all I'm seeing from him. He's like a 911 guy. Yeah. Breaking case of emergency. Yes. And so in the next, you know, up until whatever the next, you know, the next big. It has to be after this. It has to be. It has to be the Bronson Reed match. And now we get a real story. although to the point SGG sort of alluded to, it is challenging to figure out where to go with Roman Reigns if he's not on TV. You've got to be on TV consistently to have a story.

54:31To SGG's point, how can he show up for a couple weeks and instantly have the biggest match every time? If they don't have the dates, you may not be able to have him in the tippy-top stuff. it's just a tough place to be i guess i mean or you could look at it the other way where you have you know he's like just a just an attraction that like a hogan that was back in the day where he's always going to be in the top spot no matter what and whatever and maybe maybe he should be there i don't know but anyway i'm hoping that's different now though dip because everyone has matches all the time it's just not the same thing so i just don't know you can do and that is exactly what tanked charlotte's career like she's recovering now huge baby face shout out to that Players' Tribune article, but that idea that I'm going to come back and go right into the championship spot, maybe win the championship, be champion, and then when I lose it, I leave, that cycle is the kiss of death.

55:28He can't be doing that. Yeah, it doesn't work as a babyface. Let's not forget, guys, and I say this lovingly, with peace and love, because I am you, and you are him, slim with a tilted brim. wrestling is the most beloved snowflakey fan base in the world they are not going to feel good about someone just getting to show up while everyone's working hard and now you get to be the man or woman and then you roll out that is not fair that is not equitable and that is not how wrestling fans get down so i it's it's it could work as a heel but as a baby face who everyone's rooting for that doesn't really feel like where the fan base is right now.

56:10Let's give out the phone number. We'd love to get you guys on board here in Hour 2. 877-344 - 4893. Don't be shy if we've never heard from you on Cheap Heat Live before. Get on the line. Say what's up to us. All of these different things on the table. Expectations for Clash in Paris. What you think about the ESPN deal of it all. I'm not going to lie, I've not seen Dynamite yet this week Dip, have you? Not yet, I saw some clips But I haven't seen the full show These weeks go fast Believe it or not, I did watch this week SGG was in on Dynamite this week Please give us your thoughts Yeah, I feel, so this is the big one Right, because you guys didn't watch So I'm not going to spoil too much for you But there was an MJF promo I saw that, you know, Mark Briscoe's looking for him backstage He holds him hostage and he threatens to set him on fire and I feel like I did see that moving around I feel like I would have liked if he did at least drop the match and pretend to set him on fire or like have the screen go black and have it like did he do it didn't did he not do it because it was too straightforward like I got what I wanted and I'm out I feel like to raise the factor on him being dastardly just like light the match you see flames but then Mark's all right he didn't he didn't actually do it so you were disappointed that Mark Briscoe was not actually set on fire?

57:31Is that what you're saying? Or like that there was no fire. He teased fire and burned something. Let me ask you this. By the way, when is Forbidden Door? This Sunday, I believe, on the 24th. Yeah. Forbidden Door. I feel like we... Do we feel like we're ready for MJF Hangman? Like, does it feel like that we've... I'm sure it's just the first installment, which is very clear because I did see that MJF said he demanded this not count as his contract. So to me, that says he's losing this one, but he still has another one in his stash. I think he should win it. I think he should win it. That's the ultimate insurance policy, right, is that he wins it.

58:18He is the champion. and if someone is able to take the title off of him while he still has that contract this get back in the ring we're gonna do it again right now i want my title back that and then he wins it again and he wins it again all right anything any other uh big takeaways here like give us some tony storm mercedes what else going on suj who just saw us didn't feel that threatening to me when he came out. I mean, you know, cover your ears. Shout out to Edge and Christian. They're back. People want to see them in that tag team title match. I thought Nick Wayne was going to pull a Seth Rollins and he was going to throw down his crutches.

58:53We might still get that on Sunday, but, you know, Luchasaurus as the replacement team with Kip Sabian. I was just like, okay. I'm going to try to find a sponsor for the SGG Dynamite Recap of the Week. I'm so in that you just did that. I know. If there's a sponsor, we can get it twice a week. I'm going to call KFC I'm going to call churches By the way Shout out to Dom By the way if you are new to our show This is not a racist joke SGG just loves delicious chicken It's part of his gimmick I challenge you to find me the person who does not love delicious chicken This gimmick is for us all I was just brave enough to say it Now real quick Your favorite What is your favorite number one chicken establishment?

59:41Chick-fil-A actually is up there So I'm going to have to give it to Chick-fil-A Really? Chick-fil-A is your number? Out of all the places? Chick-fil-A? Very good chicken. Bojangles is really good too Wingstop Wingstop is hit or miss Popeyes is a staple I grew up on Popeyes and KFC Raising Cane's is out You're not in? No They need to sell the sauce They can maybe even get away with just being like a buttered bread spot. A buttered bread spot. Hey, Dip, Dip, I have a business proposition. Dip, I have a business proposition. What do you think that I have a great idea? I want to open a buttered bread restaurant.

1:00:24Raising Cades is great for the buttered bread. You never know. By the way, you do never know. It sounds insane, but if we were to like go to L.A. and we open a place called like Butter, and they're like, well, what's the thing here? It's like, you've got to get the buttered bread. Everyone gets the buttered bread. What happened? When you sit down, they bring you this buttered bread. It's out of this world. Hallie Bieber loves the buttered bread. Hallie is there all the time. Kendall Jenner. Kendall. Yeah, they love the buttered bread. You've got to get the buttered bread. Yeah. So more hijinks like this, plus Dipp's thoughts on Mr.

1:01:02Iguana and your phone calls. 1-877-344-4893. We're live right now. this Friday, August 22nd, and we will talk to you next right here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Now, everything's on the table, whatever you want to talk about. I am heading off to Paris on Sunday. I'm working on getting us to, the wife has expressed she would love to go to Disney Paris with the baby on her birthday. Natalie's birthday is the day before the clash. so I'm going to attempt to do Disney Paris we'll see how that goes and then we'll do Clash and then you come back and guess what school's back kids Labor Day's over as we have football it's all happening Wrestle Palooza like Wrestle Palooza like we have every year what just happened Greg history like you have every year what was that Greg history week oh right do every year I got to say, SGG, I'm going to throw this out here right now.

1:02:03Okay. We got to do some sort of dinner for you in New York at some point. Yeah, we do. Can we have a dinner? I might have to go to Indianapolis, too. Because you know break history, it could be six days. It could be 14 days. That's only nine days. I wonder if we can convince Dip to make the trip to Indianapolis. What do you think, Dip? I would love to do it. I would love to come. I don't know, though, if I can. I can get us a late table at St. Elmo's. I think their last reservation is like 1045 Saturday night. A little steak dinner after hopefully the post show is done. I mean, these days without the press conference, I think the post show would be done on time.

1:02:50We took one shot at the first time. We cannot. I didn't say without that schlocky press conference. We'll each get one shrimp. No, SGG gets two. You can split mine. I'm not flying to Indianapolis just for one shrimp. Okay. But listen, SGG can't eat it, so you get two. What about you? I'll have two. We'll each have a shrimp. We'll each have two shrimp. Now, it's not going to be like Dipper's team. I'll tell you one thing, though, SGG. the sad truth is your 40th birthday is going to pale to dip's 38th oh of course oh my 30th it was your 38th yeah yeah i don't think your 39th is type top i i think actually you'd not doing a 39th i'm gonna say you'd be i'm gonna say you that would be almost embarrassing if you tried because 38 you did enough for 38 enough dude like all right don't yell at me art i don't let's not go into that party let's not go i got the invite but i'm mad i didn't show up just to get one of the napkins oh that's one of the napkins the napkins were made the appearances were made it was it was unbelievable all right let's talk to the people um and we'll also talk some tiers of mage guys whatever topics you want including who is your top tier your tier one of mage dips top tier is he made this wait hold on no no no no that's no no no no no no no that's yeah that's That's my mother's.

1:04:22Yes, Dipp's mother's enter tiers of major. We'll get to that in a moment. But, Dipp, your top tier again? Tier one for you. Hogan, Flair, Austin, Cena. I think it's – there's no question that's the top tier. Sorry. SGG, your top – If we're keeping it to four, that's my top tier. SGG, your number one tier? Not keeping it to four. Brett Roman Sean Austin Rock and can you at this point though can't we do like the Hogan is omitted on account of you don't like him well no because I don't like him but also he really is just popular but it's just like he was just very popular but the things that I like about the other people you can't say that about Hogan and they were also popular he was more popular than they were but the things that I like about them you can't say about Hogan and Flair for that matter also Flair is a great wrestler but he doesn't make my tier 1 because especially his older stuff to me it's kind of the same match over and over with different opponents great matches but when it becomes like a plug and play thing versus an experience, you gotta take points away from that.

1:05:50SGG is really being loose with the word mage. That's the main thing. It's like how we define mage is all over the place. I'm following Dipslead of like the biggest, right? And I still kind of argue on Cena. I really do. Like I wonder... So if it's just the biggest, then Cena's there. But hear me out. In 20 years, will John Cena's wrestling career, will we feel like it made the sort of crossover mainstream impact that Macho Man's did? If people still doing the invisible Cena joke, yeah, which they are right now, right? If you mention John Cena, everyone's doing it. Everybody knows that you can't see John Cena.

1:06:37People know it the way you know, ooh, yeah. I'm saying they don't. I think they do. I'm saying they do. I think they do. I love Macho Man. He's on tier two for me. But I'm just saying he's tier two of Mage. I'm just telling you, Cena is a generational mega talent in wrestling and deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore. Deserves tier one of Mage. I think you're wrong. I just think you're wrong. I just don't think it made the impact. I think we're so close to it. We are so close to that business right now. I just don't know that if in reality people who do not pay attention at all have an idea of who he is the way they did of Macho Man in 1988.

1:07:17To me, it's a fascinating debate. I'm not saying you're like ridiculous. The guy who ran on stage at the Oscars and then got the invisible Cena joke when he was naked. One of the people know Cena. Well, Cena was nude at the Oscars. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. I'm not saying I know. The argument is that he carried the torch for a generation of wrestling fans and was the top guy in wrestling for an entire generation of fans. That is sort of how I view those. That's why I said that your tears are sort of based on who you were told the tears. These are the guys who we say are the main guys. I'll push back on Dips take about Cena just a little bit, though.

1:08:01He said he carried the torch for a generation. I would say it was two generations because Cena was on top so long that in terms of years, he passes Hogan twice over. He passes Austin multiple times over. So it's not a generation. It's generations. Oh, this is a big deal. SGG, we have Dipperstein's mom on the line, Mary Dipperstein. Oh, God. Hi, Mary. Hi Peter Hi Greg How are you? Hi Brian I'm good how are you guys? I love your show and I have everyone I know listening to it So it's great You're our only promotional entity that we have So we appreciate you Now Mary why out of the blue You decided after listening to the show last week Yes correct to send your sweet little Bri guy your top tiers, your tiers of mage in wrestling.

1:09:05Absolutely. It just gave me like I was watching TV and it gave me something to do. And I said, I'm going to think about who I really loved all these years growing up with Brian and who he loved. And so I made my own little tiers of mage. All right. And by the way, Brian is dip to anyone listening. So you're, you're, no, no, your tier one, is a mix of sort of me and Depristine's interest. It's Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior. Of course. The Rock. Of course, I had to. Yes. And Macho Man, which I really respect. Yeah. Yes, these are like four of Brian's favorites, you know, the little outfits and the costumes and the whole situation growing up.

1:09:53These are people that just like, you know, had an influence over my household. And I want to go to the Cena thing because I was listening to you. My generation, when I think of Cena, I know you guys love him and he's a great wrestler, but when I think of him, I barely even think of wrestling. He's in so many different things from movies to sportscasting and on the Today Show and hosting. I just don't even, I don't feel like in 10 years he will have that same, oh, he's a fantastic wrestler, just like when you think of Macho Man. That is actually, Mary, that's a very, I'm not going to lie to you, that is a surprisingly profound point.

1:10:37The phone lines don't normally provide things this profound. But when you think about it, it's true because you could say, you can make the argument that like, oh, well, that makes him even bigger because he can't transcend so much. But I could also argue that we're talking about wrestling. And if wrestling just is kind of one of the many things that you did, that is sort of different versus a macho man, for example, where not only was he incredibly famous and known, but he was only known as a wrestler. That's right. Exactly. Absolutely. And I know The Rock, you know, it's kind of like it doesn't make sense because I put The Rock in there.

1:11:18because he had shows and does movies, and he's probably more famous for that. But to me, he isn't. To me, the rock is the wrestling rock that Brian grew up with. So I met in person back in the day when he was seven years old or something. Now, who did you marry? On that time when you guys went to a show in Philly and you walked by a suite or whatever and you got the opportunity to meet a bunch of the boys, who was there that night? Do you remember who you met? Oh, my God. I don't. I know we met. Did we meet Macho Man for sure? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We met Razor. Was that Atlantic City?

1:11:59Was that Atlantic City? No, that was 1991. Remember we went, we were in the spectrum, and Sharon got the box, and we got the box, and we saw Razor and Diesel and Owen Hart. Oh, yeah, and Owen. That's, oh, yes, Owen. Yes, yes, I do. You have a much better memory than me, of course, because we met a lot of them, too, in Atlantic City when we went for signings. We went we saw the Ultimate Warrior in 1991. I was four years old. She took me to see Ultimate Warrior, Miss Elizabeth and Macho Man in Atlantic City. I'll never forget that. Wow. My mother, this woman, Mary Dipperstein, who's on the line right now, walked over to Razor, Ramon and Diesel in 1995 at a house show at the Spectrum in Philly and said, you have you can you have to come meet my son.

1:12:49And it was at that moment, the greatest night of my life, probably. Oh, my God. I can remember going out for dinner. I mean, not that long ago, but with my girlfriends, we went to Bobbo in New York. I don't even know if it's there anymore. and we're sitting at the table. Bobo's there, I think. I think Bobo's. Vince McMahon, his wife, his son, I can't think of his name. Shane. And his wife sitting at a table. Hey, Shane, we're sitting at a table and my heart started palpating. I was flipped out. I was actually crying because it was so monumental that I'm actually seeing these people and my son like worships them.

1:13:29And I went over to the table and I introduced myself and just said, you know, that my family's the biggest fans and my son and blah blah blah. It was crazy. My girlfriend's still walking out. Wow. Anything for Brian. Wow, that is amazing. And I do have bad news. Bobo is temporarily closed. Mary, you were amazing. Thank you for sharing your top tier of mage. Thank you. We'll dive into two and three another time, but this was wonderful. Oh, you got it. You guys agree. I definitely want to talk about tier two. Bye, Mary. Stay mage, guys. Stay mage. Stay mage. Enjoy yourself. Love you. I mean, this dip, how does it feel to have a mother who supports you more than my parents have supported me in anything?

1:14:10Your mom listens to your Fakakta appearances on the radio talking wrestling. My parents, like, if I'm hosting something on television, they text me at the end and go, wait, did it happen yet? Wow, what a call from Mary Dipperstein. She brought it. She really did bring it. She was nervous, too. And I'll tell you, she really, she crushed. She knows her wrestling. Her tier two, too, is made. I know she's not here to talk about it, but. Yeah, her tier two is Stone Cold Goldberg. Her and I could talk about that. Bret Hart and Ric Flair. Yeah. Very strong. I was very strong. She put Goldberg in there because I had a lot of Goldberg merch.

1:14:49I was a huge Goldberg fan. He's Jewish. I mean, it's all the things. There was a lot of things there that hit in the Dipperstein household. All right. Stay mage. Join us in the Discord. Send your emails, of course, as well, to RosenbergWrestling at gmail.com. and then SGG, enjoy yourself. Take it easy, fellas.