Is Jey Uso Headed for a Resurgence?

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out to that guy. The major stick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The major king. 24 seconds. A thousand percent. Confirmed. M-mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. M-m-m-m-m-m-mage.

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0:54It's still rooted. Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out StatGuyGregg. I like delicious chicken. It was Rappauk. It's professional wrestling.

1:12It's Cheap Heat with Peter Rosenberg featuring StatGuyGregg and Dip. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. It's Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. I'm your forever 24-7 champion, Peter Rosenberg, coming to you live from New York City. I am back from Europe. Dipperstein has never set foot in Europe and may never, although he's considering it, but he is in Los Angeles. Hey, Dip, how you doing? Hey, good. How are you today? Hey, I'm really, really good. I'm fantastic. What's up with SUG today? We getting SUG? He's lawyering, or trying to, anyway, something like that.

1:56He's attempting to lawyer. You're questioning whether or not he's doing it well, but you're saying he's attempting to. Yeah, he's going to come on later, he said. Okay, well, we look - But for now, all you have is El Dippy Americano. That's right. Now, I'm glad you said that. And why the hell do you not have video on StreamYard, Dip? What is going on? Couldn't tell you. But you're such a good troubleshooter. You went through all the steps and it didn't pop up, huh? I have multiple degrees in computer science. so you would assume this would be working perfectly yeah that's very very odd um did you get a chance and we'll get to a lot of different things today but did you get a chance dip to sit down like a gentleman properly and watch all of mask first mask yes i watched this finally i watched it yeah yeah okay i mean it was amazing it was for sure amazing i mean i hadn't i hadn't really been i haven't been following it as much as i guess most people have which i'm I'm surprised by what, but I mean, look, I'm not surprised that you were going to get like an insane five-star match like that from Chad Gable and Ludwig Kaiser.

3:04I mean, they're two amazing wrestlers. Chad Gable's in the best shape of his life. Ludwig Kaiser will never be in bad shape. The man is in peak physical condition. And there's a beautiful woman involved in the story. But because you haven't followed at all, you didn't find yourself like, like you didn't, I found it breathtaking. I thought it was breathtaking. I thought it's like, the whole, the pageantry, the entire 55 minutes to an hour or whatever it was from when they started intros to the speech at the end where Gable successfully turns baby face. I thought it was literally what pro wrestling is.

3:42It's that's the whole thing. That's it. Yeah. I agree. Agreed. No, I, I loved it. I loved it. I mean, there was so much hype that, you know, So yeah, by the time you watched it, you were getting to it very. Yeah. I mean, I enjoyed the blood. I enjoyed the blood. I'm glad there was blood. Yeah. Well, that's important to you that there'd be blood. But not only that, it's beyond the blood. The way that they used the celebs who, again, you don't you have been following. So you never saw any of involvement in the like you didn't realize that the impact of those people reappearing in the story because you had never seen them in the story.

4:14but the way that they use them, I thought was really well done. The only thing I would nitpick if I were to nitpick anything in a perfect match, which is my job. Sorry. Cry about it is after all the Michigan gas with the celebs, they then went like another, like 15 minutes. I think you could have cut it down. Like once all the Michigan gas is done to me, the climax point is like five minutes later, not like 12 minutes later. I, that would be my one thing. Yeah. But I think they were like clearly trying to do like a Ironman hour long situation. Yeah, or close to it. Do you realize how long the packages to start were?

4:49The whole thing was... The event was great. That venue and that sort of presentation with that crowd, what an interesting smart thing for them to acquire AAA and start... It's like there's so many great people on the roster that they needed a place for some of them to shine if they weren't otherwise going to do so on Raw and SmackDown. And then that's exactly what you're seeing there with, you know, like Laredo Kid is not somebody that I necessarily am paying that close of attention to, but he puts on that match with Rey Fenix and I'm like, oh, who's this Laredo Kid? Well, here, that's like the whole thing overall, right?

5:32And guys, we'll get into the week that was I'm happy to be back from Italy. I'll fill you in. We'll talk. We'll talk Torin. We'll talk Rome. We'll talk all of it. We'll talk the week that was. But since we haven't done a proper show since Mask vs. Mask, I just thought it was necessary to really give it some time. Think about what Undertaker has done here. And also, I want to put this out here, in case people don't know, because people may not know the inner workings. And I'm privy to hearing things. Undertaker deserves, obviously, tons of flowers. Dip, the other incredibly critical person in all things AAA, is the great Jeremy Borash.

6:08so let's make sure Jeremy Borash gets his flowers as well and obviously all the people doing the work on this but just think about this for a second in pro wrestling we look across all the companies and we see people do different things and some things are done well and some things you go ugh and sometimes they have the biggest stars in the world and sometimes even with the biggest stars in the world they make a shit sandwich out of it The Undertaker, Jeremy Borash all the powers that be at AAA and the talent themselves just put on a gigantic international thing that became larger than life with Chad frigging Gable and Ludwig Kaiser.

6:49Like, really think about that. I know, I know. Well, I mean, they're both under masks, but yes. But yes, even more so, even more so. Right, sorry. They did it with two made up people. These are people who are completely made up, right? Right, right. It's like we always ask for the days when all the wrestlers had jobs. and like this is the the new version of that you know um in what you saw with these two characters what are their jobs their jobs that they're both americanos is what you're saying right that's right yeah yeah well i mean saying like they both have like a clearly distinct character that is like a wrestling character yes that's what i really mean now now think about when they first launched el grande americano right and there were people who didn't get the joke there were people who were like offended by it because it was right after all the trump stuff with uh the the um playing with the word uh american instead of mexican all of these different things were happening right and i'll say one thing that was never a thought this is going to become one of the hottest things smoking in all of pro wrestling that was not in the conversation at best you thought you stumbled into some sort of silly fun mid-card thing and cool neat for chad gable let's see where it goes to have it land where it landed is is just the whole thing is an absolute masterpiece i if you have not made time yet to watch it um go on youtube don't be insane and and watch it it doesn't it really doesn't matter if you watch the story very much or not i want to look now on youtube and see how many views it has at last well there's the full match has its own thing that has 566 ,000.

8:31But then the event itself, the Noche de los Grandes, of which there's now been two Noches de los Grandes. I'm trying to find the full Noche de los Grandes. I think it was over 2 million last time I saw. Just absolute brilliance. I'm sure you've heard a million other people break it down now and talk about how great it was. Jim Cornette did a full episode on it. Ariel Helwani did a full breakdown of it. A lot of people did a full breakdown of it. I think all of it was worthwhile thought it was an absolute masterpiece props to everybody who's a part of it um a lot of fun stuff going on in pro wrestling if you want to talk to us about it by the way if you want to show your love right there on uh on mass versus mask or any other details about it 877-344-4893 would love to hear you gush over mass first mask and by the way dip even though they really didn't match what they were doing in triple a with what they're doing in wwe it did seem to work in terms of the pop for chad gable the last week oh my god for sure for sure yeah I mean, look, we've been waiting for years for Chad Gable to get, you know, his push or his real situation.

9:32And I was happening. We were right there. Remember, we were on the precipice. It was. Yeah, it was happening. He was on the show. We had him on Shepeat. It was happening. He was becoming the guy. And then it just cooled down. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that he got away from, you know, the the the what's it called? You know, the stable, you know, you didn't want him to be with Alpha Academy anymore. No, I didn't. I didn't I don't I didn't need that I didn't know what that was no no that's you're skipping part of your skip but no no you mean you eventually didn't know what it was we were in when we thought they were eventually going to have a real great split with him and Otis they just never did it yeah they never did it and it like they botched it it was it was right there for them it was going to be like the best thing and then it just didn't happen I just never I never really bought into him being like the new Kurt Angle I hate when they do that like the the you know the new the new this the new that, you know, like, it's like, I don't know.

10:28I, I, Chad Gable to me needed this L L grande Americano thing to become his own, his own guy, his own brass ring grabber. So, so what do you think now happens with Ludwig Kaiser? Yeah, take, he should take off the mask too. I told you a few weeks ago, I think you should just take off the mask and go join Gunther. Gunther's a cool down. We need a, we need a Gunther. but you can't be serious that you think that's what to do in my own sick fantasy mind I think you're still not fully understanding the level that this is at because I do think part of you goes yeah yeah it was cute it was a nice match now take the mask off and go second for Gunther that can't happen bro those days are over if you want to do anything you have him feud with Gunther okay great that would be great too but I need you to understand that what you're saying is insane I think you're obsessed.

11:24I think that you are obsessed with getting this point over to me about how mage this story was because you're, you've been pushing back on it. No, you, this is, you always say I'm defensive. You always say I'm, I just want to point it to your, when you, when we first brought this up, you're being defensive about being defensive. You had a level, no, no. You had a level of being defensive. The listeners can, can agree. You had a level of being defensive because you were saying it. Everyone was saying, cause you weren't in the know about it. And you were like, everyone's making a big deal about it.

11:51And when me and SG, we were like, no, no, no, dude, it's a huge deal. You were definitely a little behind on it. So I think you may be downplaying, even though you thought the match was great, I think you may be now downplaying how huge that moment was for Ludwig Kaiser. And the idea of him now walking out to announce Gunther, unless they were somehow going to become, it was leading to them being like equals, and they were going to be together as this gigantic force. He can no longer just be the ring announcer for Gunther, dude. Right. You don't agree. I don't think you agree. No, I agree. I agree.

12:24I agree. But how much longer is he going to wear the mask the rest of his career? That to me is the question. How are they going to get it? Okay, here's a better question. How are they going to get the mask off of Ludwig Kaiser? Well, I don't understand why, but why is that where you go? That's how I think about it. I'm like. But don't you want him to be mage in WWE first with the mask? Why not just show him? Why don't I have him show up and be gigantic with the mask first, though? Oh, sure. I don't know if he will be does everyone hear what's happening does everyone hear he's not accepting the mageness of the whole thing you heard the pop if you heard the pop that Gable got you don't think that El Grande Americano the winner and the baby face is going to get an even bigger pop when he comes back maybe I'm not saying it's guaranteed I'm not saying it's a guaranteed pop here's how I'm going to tell you guys everyone out there please weigh in on this 877-344-4893 and tell dip how wrong he is and i'm going to add to it all they need to you don't need to be thinking about removing mask you need to be thinking about how do you bring him and his girlfriend andrea in as the new miss elizabeth with him and they're just a thing like what why is it why are you looking past it how do we get the mask off of them how do we we're always desperate to find big baby faces people connect with why would we want to move quickly past this is my question you've and you're doubting is the answer.

13:48I'm having trouble visualizing that happening. I just am. I'm having trouble coming to terms with it. I think it's a good argument. I think it's a good argument. I just, I'm having trouble. I think, like, it's like, they can't both get over now. I mean, that would be great if they did. Look, I have been on the Ludwig Kaiser train since the jump. There was no train when you were there. You were the only one. You were running by yourself. There you go. So, okay. So I'm happy to see him get level up in his career, even if it means putting him on a lucha mask and having a great feud in Mexico. But I'm having trouble seeing it coming, translating in the way that you believe that it will to continued success on the main roster on SmackDown with the same level of excitement and in the same breath.

14:41Chad Gable is become like, you know, turned a baby face at the end of that match after, you know, giving the respect and taking off the mask and there's blood everywhere and he's handing the thing or whatever. Beautiful. Beautiful. People have been also waiting for Chad Gable to get over like this for a decade. I just think it's like Gable may be the one to really benefit from this situation. and Ludwig Kaiser will, you know, it'll be there'll be some cheers and excitement. But I don't think you're going to get like I think Gable's the one that's going to benefit from it. And Ludwig Kaiser, they're going to eventually figure out a way to get the mask off.

15:19Is that crazy to think? I don't know. Eventually get the mask off. I am with you. Like I could see them. I could see Gable wrestling Ludwig Kaiser. And ripping the mask off in one week on SmackDown. You are out of your mind. My brother just texted, and he wrote, what do I know? I've been watching wrestling for a cup of coffee, but he's not getting the mageness. It's not that I don't get the mageness. I heard that crowd. I heard the crowd. I understand the mageness. And you heard the Gable reaction in Paris, too? A hundred percent, I did. Now, granted, in Europe, and granted, in Europe, Peter Rosenberg, we got a big pop, okay?

16:01Yeah, they're popping if a pickle walked through the... A human pickle. Oh, the pickle. you know here's my question how do we get the American fans to react the way that the European fans is that the head scratcher that everyone is wondering they're close they're close but they're bombarded with it it's just there's too much all the time man I will tell you and I will tell you I'm not trying to glaze I'm not trying to sensing glazing I'm sensing some glazing on the horizon I would say the show's presentation and I would say both shows, especially Rob, but both shows right now feel like way different than a year ago.

16:51The, the, the store, like, like all of a sudden there's like a new crest happening. A new crest. I mean, a new peak. A new peak. A new peak. like a crescent? I'm saying we're at a new high point. You're saying, okay, new high point. We're at another high point right now. And usually that's not the case right after WrestleMania into the summer. But I will say there is a... I'm excited about a lot of situations right now. I'm excited about Brock Lesnar. I'm excited about whatever ends up happening with the next version of the vision. I'm excited about you know, Trick Williams you know there's just for all the malarkey that was going on with the criticism of they're not making new stars and all the older stars are aging out the edict that occurred for a moment we're like oh they're hitting us over the head with all these new people it has evened itself out into a way that has clearly defined a next generation of big you know megastars and that includes Dan Housen and that includes Dominic and that includes you know all the people that they've been introducing in such a great way so I don't know it just I've been consistently watching I'm watching it on time last few weeks or whatever and just sort of being like a true fan and I would say it feels very good right now I'm a little surprised and happy to hear you say that I'm glad that you're feeling things are on that big of an upswing they're on a path They're on a good path.

18:31I would say whatever ends up being the SummerSlam card, I don't think you could lose with what's happening. I think it's going to be a big SummerSlam. Well, that's no question. I mean, I think we have to be realistic. People were not thrilled. A lot of the audience at large was not thrilled about WrestleMania Vegas, right? I don't think we're releasing any state secrets when you say that. I think that them going back for another two-night event four months later, outside of the Michigas of Vegas, in a regular, degular place like Minneapolis, Minnesota, it'll be nice weather in August. It'll be low-key.

19:12You'll be able to get a round dip. Think about it. If you were a family who wanted to take your kids to WrestleMania, think about how much less you're going to spend to take your family of four to SummerSlam in Minneapolis. It's just a completely different. And then when you get there, you're not dealing with the Mishigas of the Vegas hotels. And I have to take my kids into casinos where even in a nice casino, oh, this is a very nice casino. Son, have you seen that? That's a pimp. That's a pimp. And those are prostitutes. I mean, it's just Vegas is what Vegas is. I think being in Minneapolis is going to be, I've been telling fans since before WrestleMania, when they're like, oh, what should I go to?

19:47I've been saying SummerSlam Minneapolis is the one. Like that's going to be such an awesome event. and then and then all the things you just mentioned because now we have this oba thing really rocking and rolling right like things are there are new people who are really developing i think summer slam has the chance to be really big and as the show goes on as the weeks go on we do have to start analyzing though what that's going to look like for certain people because there are big question marks outside of obafemi brock lesnar and a couple others dip we could go over all the big names and say i don't know who their match is going to be with at summer slam they need to here's that here's here's the gaping hole in the in the excitement and i i there's a there's a gaping hole yes they need to figure out how to heat up the smackdown title picture cody rhodes i'm great with him being the champion he you know whatever But they need to figure out how to build as much excitement as possible for that, whatever that title match ends up being at SummerSlam.

20:55That's my, because whether it's Soba or whoever it is for Roman, there's something going on. Agreed, although I do think there's question marks about where that goes. No, I know, I know. Jay Uso and LA Knight, I don't think, is taking us to SummerSlam. So there's a lot of, I hear what you're saying. I do think that the Cody, Gunther, what's happening on SmackDown thing needs some juice. And that's something to talk about. But I really think, Dip, as we go up and down the card and we bring up all the big names who exist, we could play a game today. Let's do the way too early SummerSlam card prediction show.

21:35Okay. 877-344-4893. three. This requires like big time getting ahead fantasy booking, frankly, because I just think that so many people are sort of in between what they're doing. So we're going to talk to you guys. We'll also talk about all the things that have actually happened in and out of the ring the last week and get to much, much more. Also, AEW has been on a bit of a heater the last couple of months. We haven't spent a lot of time talking there. We are here to talk to you until two o 'clock Eastern time. We do it every Friday right here. It's cheap heat live on pro wrestling nation 24 seven Promotional consideration paid for by the following.

22:08Stalk chocolate reason. If you like chocolate, then you'll love reason. Extra chewy chocolate caramels covered with a rich chocolate coating. How have you been, Dip? Before we get into the wrestling and all, how's everything going? Are you doing well? Yeah, I was in Texas over the weekend. And I had, you know, maybe 30, 40 friends pressuring me to get into a lake. and I'm very proud of myself that I refused the lake. I'm so glad, Dip. Good for you, man. In front of 30 or 40 of my friends, now wasn't going to be the time at 39 years old to attempt to water ski. No. Nope. It's either you start water skiing early or you never water ski.

22:55And yeah, that wasn't going to be my thing. Who were you with? This is high school friends? No, LA friends. L.A. friends. Why did L.A. friends pilgrimage to Texas? For my friend's birthday. My friend Drew, who turned 40. And we all went down there. A big group of Schmageggis. A big Schmageggis group went down to do Texas-y things. He dragged the entire group of friends to Texas? What part of Texas? Austin. Austin. Okay. By the way, an interesting place. You've never been? Very unique place. You've been? Once. You've been once? I've been once. No, I was, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of Austin generally.

23:40I will say it's gotten, I'm not, I am not the person who the second a place gets popular goes, oh, you can't go anymore. I'm not that. Austin at times has gotten, it's gone a little crazy. Oh, it's gone wild. I mean, there's multiple areas with the Buck Mason and the Aesop. They got a lot of Buck Mason Aesop streets. There's like six of them now. There used to be just one. Before there were none. Now there's 20 of them. There's too much Buck Mason. Yeah, there's a lot of Buck Masons. There's a lot of Aesop soaps. Yeah, that's how you know. But I do like it in general. I got to tell you, I really, I am owed, based on what I'm hearing, what people are doing on their 40th birthdays.

24:27Like your Schmagegi friend dragged 40 people to Texas for his 40th birthday. Yeah. I'm really owed like a good birthday. Now, granted, I used to have concerts on my birthday, but keep in mind, those weren't really particularly fun and none of my friends went. Like you went to a Peter Paluzzo too, right? Yeah. You made it to the end. You made it to a couple at the end. Yeah. But like in terms of - Me and Odell Beckham Jr. had a great time together. That's right. I forgot. What a good guy. By the way, this is how fast time goes. odell was the young hottest player in the league at that time definitely he is now he is now the old man who the giants added to their roster just to have like receiver depth like that's how the time it's he's been injured multiple times for entire years since then he won a super bowl in la he's anyways um my 40th birthday it was right after uh marriage of apparition and i had really Oh God.

25:26You didn't know that? You didn't remember this? You were my age basically when that happened. God, I'm way behind. You're way behind. I'm way behind. You're on your second marriage. I'm surprised you're, you're caught up to where you are. So no, I was, I was 39 when it happened. My 40th birthday happened, uh, eight months later, whatever. I was still really going through it. It was not great. And my 40th birthday was spent in a weird way. I find this to be beautiful. and by the way guys I will get into this moron validate me which is now available wherever you find podcasts on YouTube but I spent my 40th birthday with just my family of origin it was just me my brother my mom my dad sitting at a restaurant in New York and it was that's it was incredibly sad there is something beautiful to me in retrospect about it because I know this sounds nuts I'm gonna say something this is crazy and you won't be able to identify with this because it's just the three of you and you don't have a family yet so it was probably the last time that will ever happen yeah i'll probably never have dinner with just me my brother my mom and dad again because he my brother has kids i now have a wife and kids how often are the opportunity maybe you stumble into make it happen you could make it happen organically and making it happen are two different things if you were like right i need to have a dinner with you and mom and dad nick it would just be nice you would figure it out and you'd make it happen that's a good point I get to do that still with my, which, with, with my parents, which I value immensely and, and, you know, don't take it for granted at all.

26:57But no, you're right. I could make it happen, but would it happen on its own? Probably not. By the way, it didn't, it didn't happen organically. Then it was the situation that, that I was in, but to my point dip, I have, I have not in all these years had a good, a real like birthday. They're all just kind of like, Oh, Balor, want to come over? I think you're waiting for 50, buddy. I think so, too, dude. But like, don't you think that means at 50, I'm owed something kind of like psychosis? 50 is on our gargantle birthday. So is 40. But 50 is big, too. Big. Especially like you're like a young 40, you know, you're not 50.

27:31You're not like an Alta Cocker 50, you know. Nick just wrote that he remembers the restaurant was too loud on my birthday. My parents were complaining. 40 next year for the dip. The dip 40 birthday. you know everyone knows I didn't really do anything this year but everyone knows I love to do you know a big birthday for myself next year I think we're renting out SoFi something there's something going on how about this you're turning 40 next year I'm turning 50 in like three years how about we meet in the middle in two years and we combine them and rent out SoFi 50 ,000 What do you think? Maybe.

28:17I may even invite the healthinator to my birthday, my 40th birthday. No chance you do. Oh, okay. By the way, for people who don't know, Dip's birthday is what that's, he doesn't have a family yet, but his birthday is his family. That's what the birthday is. It's his baby. It's every year. That's why the fact that you took it off this year, look at you. Do you feel, now be honest with me, because I could not relate less to how big an extravaganza you want to have every year. I don't relate to it. I find it borderline psychotic. Was there any part of you that enjoyed no big plans? Like I'm not dealing with it this year.

28:54Or were you like, oh, this sucks. I'm doing nothing. No, I was fine with it. I was fine with it. I didn't really feel like spending the money, to be honest with you. But throwing yourself a gigantic birthday is very expensive. That's why I'm thinking about doing something in New York in a few weeks. Oh, yeah, I forgot. After all, he's going to have a party. Do you need help? Do you want me to help you find a place to do it so we can save some money? I may need help. I may not. I have to figure out what day it's going to be. I got to, you know, whatever. But I'm sensing potentially, you know, there'll be Fanatics Fest.

29:28There'll be Saturday Night's Main Event. And there'll be Dipper Fest. God, I wish I could. Potentially. I don't know. We'll see. I wish I could get the whole suite. What if I could get the whole suite and we just have your birthday party at Saturday Night's Man event in the suite? That would be great. I'm not a big, I don't know. You're still fighting the suite? You want to sit in front? No, I'm good. I like the suite now. You know I'm graduating towards suite. Yeah, you're finally growing up and starting to graduate towards the suite. All right, guys, 877-344-4893. 877-344-4893. Where could SummerSlam possibly go?

30:06because dip just talked about he glowed about how excited he is about where things are right now my one pushback was cool hear you sounds good bruh but like besides oba and brock where are all the highest tier stories meaning where does cody roads go at summer slam where is roman reigns at summer slam but my guess is okay i'll can i throw the first prediction out you want one yeah my first prediction of a way too early SummerSlam card based on what I've seen in running around the world the last two weeks and catching as much as I can. Jacob Fatu and Jey Uso at SummerSlam. Thoughts? I like it. I think it's that that should happen.

30:53I just I keep like where is Jimmy? Come on, Jimmy. Enough is enough with this. No, they don't. They don't. Jimmy. What is this? He plays like the comedic, like comic relief next to Jay, who's always so serious. And Jimmy's the one who's like light. And it's like a Jimmy, as we've said, he's him. We know that he's him. Why are you not letting him be him? He's like, I don't get it. It's like the big Jimmy Uso question to me that, that I can't quite get an answer from anyone else. I know no matter who I ask inside the business, outside the business, I friends, shmageggies alike. No one really has a good explanation for Jimmy.

31:35It's time to pull the trigger. There's triggers been pulled a few times, but the real trigger. I just want to see it happen. I don't even know if it'll be good or bad. I just want to see him get the shot, the big shot. I do not know why, but my guess is as I sit here and make a way too early prediction for SummerSlam, it's J versus it's jay with jimmy versus jacob now we could have fun i personally i am of the mindset there are people who will tell you you can't go back to anything related to jay versus jimmy they already did it i don't think they blew it off enough i don't think it really was complete and i take i want to say right now i take no issue with jimmy turning on jay again i got no problem with or or vice versa i do not mind like i wouldn't hate it if dip somehow we got to a place where it was jacob with jimmy versus jay or i i just also also remember when they teased the jay heel turn for so long and didn't do it yes and now jay his character is like always sort of angry and on edge but never a heel he's like too heelish to turn heel right now it's like it's like the only good time to turn J heel was when he was at the peak yeet turquoise and pink.

32:58Then it would have been like, oh my God. And now it's like he's wearing black every week and he's heelish and angry. So even if he turns heel now, it sort of lessens the effect. Peak yeet. Peak yeet, which reminds me of cheap heat. And speaking of cheap heat, ladies and gentlemen, it is official. Wrestling for Sale presents There's Something Going On Part two, Cheap Heat will officially be rolling with wrestling for sale SummerSlam weekend. It's Friday, July 31st at UpDown Minneapolis. Okay? Friday, July 31st at UpDown Minneapolis. That's 3012 Lindale Ave. Lindale Ave South dip. I know you get confused with Lindale Ave between South and North.

33:50Oh, yeah. Which is it? south it's lindale south yes 3012 lindale ave south minneapolis minnesota from 11 a.m to 4 p.m this is the 18th pop-up ted has done wrestling merch art food and drinks arcade rosenberg's there dip is there sgg is not there the man travels too much he can't make it but dip and i will be there that Friday of SummerSlam, July 31st. I haven't decided yet whether we're doing a full live show. We're just going to hang out with the people. But either way, we will be in the building with Ted. Also, stash pages, God's chilling, nearly average wrestling. It's going to be a great time, SummerSlam weekend.

34:32Dip, you want to talk to a couple of people real quick? Sure. I'd like to talk to Sam and see what this is all about. All right. Sam in Claremont, Florida. What's up, Sam? How are you? Hey, hello, guys. How are you? first off you are the ultimate heel and I'm appreciative of that thank you Sam also the storylines in WWE can be convoluted so I'm looking for Obafemi the win king of the ring and not announce who he's going to face and make both champions worried about what he's going to do because all he really wants to do is beat Brock Lesnar. So when he beats Brock Lesnar, he has his choice of whoever he wants.

35:21I like it. I think that's smart. And I got to tell you, I think it needs to be Cody. As crazy as that sounds, I think you save Roman and Oba for WrestleMania. and you have Oba Cody at SummerSlam. And I don't know if they're going to do that because both are, at this point, potentially the top babyfaces in the company or the hottest babyfaces. So, sorry, the caller's suggestion was Oba wins King of the Ring and then calls out Brock. Is that what he's saying? No, he's saying he wins King of the Ring. Sam said he wins King of the Ring and then both he gets his choice and Roman and Cody, neither of them know.

36:11They're both scared that he may call them. Like, who's he going to call out? And you go from there. That part is fun, but then where does Brock play into that?

36:23I mean, do we get Knight of Champions? The winner of King of the Ring... Gets a SummerSlam title match. Gets a SummerSlam title match, but the winner of King of the Ring will be declared. The finals will be at Knight of Champions. Correct. So that means Oba Femi is not going to wrestle Brock Lesnar at Night of Champions. Because Oba Femi will probably win King of the Ring at this point. Who else would it be? Correct. So Oba, that means Oba will probably wrestle Brock at SummerSlam. That means he's not going for the title. But that means he's not going for the title. That's the dilemma, pal. That's the situation.

37:02It's kind of interesting. You know what it is? There's rubber. there's road. They're coming together. The rubbers beat the road. I'm sensing rubber. I'm sensing road. I'm sensing a joining of both of these things. Rubber and road are coming together. We're going to find out. That's the part that's, they have two things that are weird about King of the Ring that are kind of hard to get your head around. Number one is Obafemi in King of the Ring when everybody seems to know him and Brock have clearly laid out that they're going to have a third match. And then the other one is, of course, is Liv Morgan, who is already world champion, continuing to win in the Women's Queen of the Ring.

37:41These are the two oddball conundrums about the Queen of the Ring and King of the Ring tournament in 2026. Yeah. So we're going to have to figure out where both these things go. It could either be a dud, or it could also end up being a very interesting wrinkle that you don't see. It's all about the execution. Cassie, Arvin, George, we're going to get to all of you and more of your calls at 877-344-4893. I'm coming to you live from New York City. This place is on fire right now. Dip, I'm almost glad you're not here to see how out of control the Knicks thing is. You've never seen this. I'm telling you, you've never seen this.

38:15I got to tell you, I'm loving it. I'm loving it. Is it big in LA too? Are you seeing Knicks stuff? Oh, it's huge in LA. It's all New Yorkers. That's what I'm saying. Wait, so are you literally seeing New York hats, Knicks hats every day? I'm seeing Knicks outfits. Full outfits every day in LA. Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, it's a big deal. it's a big i'm i'm loving it i was screaming if you weren't screaming there you have not there's no pulse in your body it's it's it's so crazy did you see paul hayman's tweet yeah of course it was great i shouted him i gave him a little message yeah it was very good the the shouting out the writers um yeah no and you know what and you know what you have happening in la of course did You have all of the New Yorkers turned Los Angelinos who after years were like, yeah, I'm a Knicks fan, but they suck.

39:06So I root for the Lakers now and I go to Lakers games. They've all, they've all gone back to the Knicks. They're SGG. They've all gone back to their roots. I've been a Knicks fan since day one. Yeah, sure, sure. I've had Lakers season tickets. I've had Lakers season tickets, but I'm a Knicks fan at heart. All right. 877-344-4893. Let's go to Arvin in Connecticut. What's up, buddy? Hey, what's going on, bro? First time listener, first time caller. Wow. Wow. Good. I love that. Happy to have you. Happy to have you, Arvin. Thank you, Arvin. Yeah. My boss bought a new work truck and has XM radio. So I finally got to splurge and listen to you guys.

39:41There you go. Hell yeah. What are your thoughts? You enjoying it so far? How are we doing? Oh, I love it. I love it. I was listening to you guys' conversation earlier about Chad Gable. He's going to go and how to get the mask off of the Grande Americano. Yep. Okay. And something clicked to me when I was watching Raw last week, when I was hearing Dominic keep talking about how he's the greatest luchador, I think eventually Chad will have to shut him up somehow. And for him to disrespect and all the luchador culture, and maybe take the AAA title off of him. And that's how Chad gets his way back into AAA.

40:21Maybe. But wouldn't it be like Ray doing that? well now Ray's got a whole Rusev thing Rusev unmasked him the other day I saw it I saw that thank you Arvin for the call we appreciate it that's an interesting thought though thank you bro what do you do I mean listen the Dominic thing is there's obviously something going on with Dominic now Dominic last week came out and they did a judgment day thing with Oba dip but I don't think that's going anywhere right no I think so that was just a one off thing to show the dominance of Oba I assume now maybe for next it was good though By the way, it was great.

40:56By the way, one of the greatest first segments. Obafemi is an incredible orator. It felt improv. It didn't feel scripted at all. When was the last time you saw someone take that chair shot to the back without selling it and it looked that effective? It was great. It was great. J.D. McDonough, too, does not get enough credit for anything he does. He's the best. I mean, he's another guy. I mean, it's time for something. I need something. Dip, you can't figure out what they're going to do with Ludwig Kaiser. And you're setting up the push for J.D. McDonough. Ludwig, come on. Okay, they got Chad Gable and Ludwig right now.

41:35No, but J.D. is great. I would love to see him have a big moment. But I'm trying to think of the different people who have taken a chair shot and not sold it. It's not many. Like, I'm sure Brock has done that for sure. Sid, probably. Sid feels like that. I'm just throwing that out there. I don't know. I know. I'm just it's not many though and to see the way Oba no sold it when you know that those things must hurt a mortal man so much it was awesome we should try it when I come to New York next month I'm going to try it I'm going to hit you with a chair and let's see what happens we'll hit each other yeah I'm down to try that maybe for my birthday or your birthday what was understated about that Oba thing the The silhouette of him on the whole crowd, the shadow on the whole crowd.

42:23I've never seen that's new. Did you see that? Yeah. Yeah. Holy crap. That was crazy. The shadow silhouette on the crowd is fire. Fire. Fire. They figured out a great little presence. Whoever was the production designer with his entrance and that thing to like whoever created that scenario. Maybe it was them. I don't know. Whoever created that is a genius. Quickly, before break, one more. Let's go to Steven, who also wants to get in on Mass vs. Mass. What's up, Steven? How you doing? Good afternoon, Peter. I am a huge fan of yours. Thank you. All your radio broadcasts, you're just a man. I love what you're doing.

43:02I do want to bring up one Mass vs. Mass match that I think would be fantastic. If we could have some type of wish and go back in time, would have been Fushin Thunder Liger versus Rey Mysterio Jr. I think it would have been insane. You're talking Dips' language right now. Dips gets visibly excited when he hears someone mention Thunder Liger. Thank you, Dips. Would that interest you? Of course. And Jushin Thunder Liger versus a pickle versus the gingerbread man would excite me. That would be very interesting if Thunder Liger returns against who? The gingerbread man. Yeah. By the way, the Undertaker would find, and Jeremy Borash would find a way to get that over.

43:44Yeah, no, five-star classic. All right. More of your calls, 877-344-4893. We have another hour here on Cheap Heat. We're talking mask versus mask and how amazing it was. Also, your way too early predictions for SummerSlam. Build the card. We'll do it with you next right here. It's Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Bubble Yum Bubblegum. Available in a blasting new three-flavor pack with wild cherry, grape, and regular. Bubble Yum keeps it popping. welcome back guys it is cheap heat live on pro wrestling nation at 24 7 uh dip my my uh my my newest episode of validate me is up live right now i don't know if you've seen i'm i'm validating up a storm episode three is called uh thotting and bopping what are your thoughts on thotting and bopping uh i thotting and bopping uh and how do you define bopping what is the i don't know I know what thoughting is, but bopping, what's a bop?

44:45I don't know, but the woman who I spoke to, it was a listener who reached out and she wanted to share her issues. And she was essentially telling the story she had about cheating on her husband for many years and all these crazy things she was doing. And the way she kept describing it was, I was thoughting and bopping. So that's the name of the episode is thoughting and bopping. I don't know what it means. Okay. Can I say something though? Can I step out on a limb? From the perspective of the husband, I don't think the bopping is great oh you don't want to be you don't want to be bopped you may want to be bopped you don't want to be on the other end of the bop I don't think you want your wife to be bopping with someone else that's what I'm saying I think the thotting is bad but I think the bopping is extremely problematic you think thotting is worse than bopping or bopping is worse than thotting again these are things I should have asked Jasmine but I didn't but if you want to hear this episode it is out there validate me wherever you find your podcast and it's on YouTube.

45:42I want to come on and talk about a whole episode about how much I hate the beach. You know what? By the way, you know who agrees with you about the beach 100 %? The healthinator. Yeah, the healthinator is not a beach guy. He's been avoiding seagulls, eating his Doritos for years on the beach and regretting going. That seems like a fat joke right there, but I'll let that slide. No, what? Eating Doritos, I mean. I love Doritos. People love Doritos on the beach. and the birds are taking it. No, the beach is the worst place of all time. Why would you want to get sand all up in your shorts or pants or whatnot?

46:15It's hot out all the time and you're sweaty. It's not the sand that bothers me. It's the effort and then the activity once you get there. I don't disagree. I have to tell you, I've had great beach days, but I don't fundamentally disagree with what you're saying and I hate the lugging of stuff. And here's the problem. now that we have the baby, when we go to the beach this summer, can you imagine what I'm going to be bringing? I mean, I'm going to be thotting and bopping all the way to the beach. Are you kidding me? And when you get one of these wagons that carries a lot, you know, Dip, do you know how hard it is to drag those wagons on the actual beach through the sand?

46:55You think I'm the guy that drags the wagon? I'm not dragging that wagon. You may be sitting on the wagon. Yeah, I'm the one in the wagon being dragged. By the way, Dip, should we be sharing a birthday party this year? You're not coming till my birthday. you're going to be here for my birthday I mean we have to have a party for you what the hell's going on yeah yeah we can have two parties though you want to have back to back parties yeah are you hold on is that are you coming the is fanatics fest the beginning of your trip or the end the end oh it's the end so you're going to miss my birthday I think you're coming I'm an adult I can do whatever I want I think you were staying for a couple of weeks I would love to why don't you just do it just stay free come come mid-july go back in august what are you doing come hang out i gotta figure out where we gotta have one day at the beach at this point we now have to have one day we have going to long beach for one day what about sitting outside on our balcony near the beach love that love a balcony sit with a with a drink with a high noon a balcony sit with a high noon listening to music talking shit you're talking about wrestling wrestling's in the background now we're having a conversation Oh, yeah, dude.

48:05Because now we have the upstairs situation or a beach house. We have the gigantic TV in that living room. And then right outside of it, guess what? It's a deck right there. We're going to have the wrestling. We're going to have the deck. You know I haven't seen the deck? You haven't seen the deck? No. The deck revolutionized the house. I would assume so. It made it look like a beach house. It went from looking like nothing to like, oh, this is a beach house. That's what the deck did. You add the deck, all of a sudden you got a beach house. You happy with the deck? I am happy with the deck. It was a great...

48:30When you think about the ways money can be wasted, that money to me, the amount spent and the time that it took to do it was not bad. Talking about house money wasted, guess what I'm getting next week? Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, no. Hold on. Let me think. What is the least exciting thing, big thing you could possibly do to a house? The least exciting big thing. What's the least exciting big thing? Replacing windows. worse but that's the second roof roofing roof i don't see it i don't walk on it i don't it's impossible to get to it and it's just has to be done i need a roof what the whole thing yeah they're redoing your entire roof yeah that's right what could you give us a hint at a price on something like that too much not as much as some other roofs that i can tell you are we into five figures?

49:32Oh, yeah. Oh, we're into five figures. We're having a five-figure cover. Oh, yeah. All right. Oh, my God. All right, let me go back to the phone. Can you re-upper my callers, please, Zach? Let's talk to more of the people. It is a beautiful Friday. New York is thotting and bopping 1 ,000 % with the New York Knicks. I'm very excited about the World Cup. The U.S. plays tonight at 9 o 'clock. Dip, could you care less? Anything? Nothing? No. Nothing? No. Yeah, it's a tough time for World Cup right now because this Knicks thing has taken up a lot of energy. A lot of the oxygen is being sucked out of the room by the New York Knickerbockers.

50:11Also, I would like to say - The only thing more boring than getting a new roof is watching soccer. I'm kidding. I don't mean that. I don't mean that. Yeah, you do. I don't mean that. I don't mean that. 877-344-4893. No one has given us yet any great, way too early booking for SummerSlam. And that's what we're looking for. But our friend George on Long Island wants to talk about Fwendhausen. What's up, George? Hey, what's going on, guys? Long time no speak. I've been busy with life. I haven't been able to call in. We miss you. Yeah, I miss you guys, too. When it comes to the wrestling, the last thing I definitely remember seeing live was that mask versus mask.

50:51And I honestly thought it was the best wrestling match I've seen this year. both guys showed out storytelling was great but i'll be honest i've been so caught up and wrapped up in these new york knicks and i love that dan hausen is just getting all of this credit all the shirts that are now available the fact that outside msg they were giving out hats attached to dan hausen masks to fans pretty awesome i think it's amazing and i think it must be said that But if we do win on Saturday and we hoist up that Lario, Dan Housen has to be in the parade, Pete. There's no way that man does not get on a float.

51:39I would love to see him hold the Lario. I might be pushing my luck there, but I think he has to at least get on the float with the rest of the team. And listen, to go back to the early 90s, go New York, go New York, go. So, gentlemen, enjoy your weekend. Appreciate you, George. Listen, the Dan Housen thing is obviously awesome. I saw him the other day. He's like completely sort of beside himself that it's kind of played out the way that it has. It's crazy. He is going to be on fire at Fanatics Fest in New York. I know that. I'm sure he's going to sign like 90 million autographs that weekend. And if they win this championship, listen, I think no matter what at this point, I think he's going to have a real connection with the New York fan base in wrestling for a long time.

52:30I mean, listen, they were already going to love him here. But if they win this championship, guys, Dan Housen could have like such a special baby face relationship with New York for the rest of eternity. That's just so, so fun. It's crazy, man. In the NBA playoffs and the NHL playoffs combined, his uncursing and uncursing has an overall 16-1 record, which is crazy. Only second to that is my betting of the New York Knicks, which is at a 14-1 win record for the New York Knicks since I started betting them. Let's go to Frankie on Long Island. What's up, Frankie? I just wanted to share my level of hatred for the beach.

53:09I hate the people. I hate the sand. I hate the sun. Water. It was okay going with my wife's then girlfriend. Now that we have a baby, daughter's almost two and a half, carrying all that shit to the beach. Oh my God. And having to pack it up and bring it back home in the car, unpack. Now you started off, what's your Long Island beach of choice? I go to Long Beach and my sister-in-law has a beach pass to get off for free. Or I go to Lido Beach. Listen, keep an eye out for me. In Long Beach. I don't know Lido Beach. Oh, yeah. Lido Beach is one of them. Yeah. It's just the idea. It's like if there were a carnival at the beach.

53:49Great. But it's just nothing there. Real quick. George, you still there? You got rid of him. Okay. I was curious. Not George. What was his name? Frankie. Frankie. I was curious because he started with the people, which I found hilarious. Number one, I hate the people. I wanted to get more there. And I do tend to agree, though. Like people who like the beach too much. here's the problem with people who like the beach too much in all likelihood we are vastly different in some way you clearly like your body more than i like mine you're much more comfortable let's let's just be honest people who love the beach are in all likelihood very comfortable with their shirt and their pants off people that like showing off their took us that's right these are people who want their shirts off all the time.

54:37Me, not so much. So then there's that. You're that comfortable. You probably like to drink more than I do. You're probably a drunkard. Let's be honest. You're probably a drunkard. Okay, you're loud. There are a lot of things that could be in there. So I hear what he's saying. Finally, someone has some SummerSlam predictions, for God's sake. Let's go to Mason in New Jersey. Very East Coast-heavy show today. Mason, what's up, buddy? What's up, man? Driving down to D.C. right now for UFC 250. Fan Fest. Decided to tune in. Ready to talk about some SummerSlam. I got some picks here. What do you got for us?

55:13I think the easiest pick here, I think Brock and Oba, they're setting it up. I think Oba is going to win King of the Ring and they're going to finish. They're going to get the three in Minnesota and Brock is going to retire in his hometown. Wait, so what does he do with the King of the Ring? Because King of the Ring gets you a title shot at SummerSlam. Yeah, but I think either he wins King of the Ring, but I feel like the best thing here is maybe he doesn't win King of the Ring. Maybe he goes to fight Brock and he gets a title shot later because it just makes sense right now to finish it with Brock.

55:54I agree. He has so much time to win titles, but this Brock, you can only get it now, And I think you need to just take the opportunity now and send Brock off. Yeah, I know. But you got to think. Thanks, buddy. You have to have the best SummerSlam card possible. And having the rubber match between Brock Lesnar and Obafemi at SummerSlam is a very, very big non-title match. It's the biggest non-title match you could probably do. There's no question. It's the biggest non-title match you can do. I think it's the biggest match you can do. Stop. I said it. Yeah, nothing, but even if Roman and Cody have matches, is anything going to be bigger than Brock and Oba at SummerSlam?

56:42I don't know. I don't know where they'd go with either of them. That's the crazy. The really interesting part is, who is the match right now out there for Cody or Roman that could be as big as Brock and Oba? Besides Oba. Roman Oba would be maybe as big or bigger than Brock you save that for Wrestlemania of course no you're not going there now so what else is out there you know I think Roman Jacob picked up a lot of steam but that's over give Goldberger a call it's time you know what you're not wrong give him a call yeah he'd come back in a heartbeat he wants a better retirement let's go to Justin in Connecticut another east coast another east coaster who has a SummerSlam prediction what's up buddy Uh, very good show today.

57:30Loving, loving what you guys are talking about. Two, two early predictions for SummerSlam. I gotta say, I'm thinking that we're going to end up with Sammy Zane versus Cody Rose for the WWE championship with a returning Kevin Owens, helping Sammy Zane get his first title. I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you something that you just gave us something. You just gave us something. And, and, and we have to make more sense and get more from the Sammy thing dip. because that was something that came and went with Clash in Italy. I was like, oh, well, what's Sammy going to be involved in Clash? He wasn't.

58:03Well, they had a great, the opening segment of SmackDown last week helped further this guy's point. Further the story. Yeah, they skipped it at the PLA and then picked it back up on SmackDown. I do not hate that. I don't know about Kevin Owens, though. I have no information there. Well, he's saying he'd just be with him. He didn't say wrestling. he just said a returning Kevin Owens helps Sammy look that would be a big ending to night one or two of SummerSlam look a fully heel Sammy Zane finally winning the title with the help of a heel Kevin Owens that is a great SummerSlam main event it is, no question and then you have on the other and then you have you know whatever you have you have Brock Oba whatever whatever happens with Roman like like now we're building now we're talking we're having a conversation now we're having a conversation the hardcore wrestling crowd which is what SummerSlam will be they'll love Sammy in that spot whether he wins it or not they'll love him in that spot let's keep it going with the calls let's go to Vanessa also in New Jersey more East Coast where in Jersey you at Vanessa hi good afternoon i'm in union new jersey beautiful well great to have you vanessa what do you got for us thank you i was calling because um we're block and over well we're over i feel like block is going to cost him that match for king of the ring i i that that is something that i thought too vanessa i assumed the second we saw that brought that oba's in king of the ring i assumed well this means brock's going to cost him the match and that's how we get to their final match and I don't disagree it just seems like the rumors have sort of made me not feel that way anymore it's like people have started I have to admit I'm sort of being a follower here and the crowd has sort of started to say no no Oba's winning the whole thing so I but you're right Vanessa on paper to me that's what makes sense Brock comes back in the final costs him and they have a match yes I want him to but I feel like the way they're going is they're gonna have John and Liv be king and queen i mean i hadn't even thought of that you hadn't thought of what dom and live being king and king and queen it is that is something yes it's something it's not nothing king dominic that's funny no king dominic is funny and i will tell you it heats him right back up right away because it hasn't been hot and furthermore like he hasn't had a thing and it's a great idea and it justifies live being in this thing because like i haven't really understood why lives even in the thing You know what?

1:00:48You know what? What was this caller's name? Vanessa. Vanessa, you hit the nail on the head today. You're the winner of the day. Vanessa wins the day. But by the way, those were back-to-back really smart calls. The Sammy and Cody, Sammy getting the title at SummerSlam is a good call. And the Brock costing Oba is a great call. Listen, I thought that was obvious. Andreas Hale, his article, his review of Clash in Italy, in the article he wrote that night, he said, obviously Brock Lesnar's not cost Obafemi. in the King of the Ring tournament. So, like, it is a common thought that has been out there since the very beginning.

1:01:24But it just seems like it slipped away, and Vanessa's right. Let's go to another SummerSlam prediction, shall we? Let's go to David in Mississippi. We'll get off this Northeast biased and head down to Mississippi. What's up, buddy? Hey, guys, what's going on? So, I'm actually calling from Long Beach, Mississippi. No way. The connection is there. And you're not wrong about beachgoers either. We're a little drunkards, we're a little loud, and that's a little okay. I love it. Thank you, buddy. So here's my prediction. I kind of agree with Vanessa. I think Brock costs Oba the match against Dom because giving Dom the opportunity to say he beat Oba is just a Dom thing for Dom to have.

1:02:12That is true. Good point. I think Jey Uso actually wins the King of the Ring altogether. I think he goes on. They find a way to get him over Cody. So he gets the title. You have both titles in the family. And now Jacob Fatu and Jey Uso have a real match and a beef. And how does Roman react? Whose side does Roman pick? And what are those implications? It's a good point. I just don't know how much emphasis they're really placing on Jey Uso right now. I don't know. It seems like it's getting a lot of time, Dip. Yeah? Is Jey Uso hot enough to main event WrestleMania with Roman Reigns right now? You mean SummerSlam?

1:02:53That's what I meant. SummerSlam. I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't think so, but they are giving it a lot of... It's getting a lot. More than I expected. You're sensing a lot? I mean, they had that segment on... They had multiple segments on Monday, and they had him and LA Knight going back and forth. And of course the Paris crowd, the way they're going crazy, it made you feel like you're in prime yeet. Jay Uso land. I just, I can't believe, can I tell you guys the truth? I love Jay and I'm a big fan of La Knight. All right, even though he hates Dip, I love the guy. I think he makes some salient points.

1:03:32I can't believe they're still doing LA Knight and Jay Uso stuff. They have been together, Dip, in some way or another forever. I don't feel that way, but I know it's the case. You don't feel that it's been like forever? I don't even like think about it. Wow. I just think of like, I just think of, I just think of raw ending every week with some sort of schmaz with the Usos and LA Knight in the middle of it. Like I just, it's, it's been so long that they've been doing something. Who wins that match? Who wins that four way? Probably Jey Uso, right? It's then it's Jey Uso, Javon Evans, and then Jey Uso beats Javon Evans.

1:04:07and so you have so you have j this is this tonight right yeah i'm actually interested in that one that's fun you have jay lanite royce keys who by the way i'm a big fan are you oh yeah dip he's he he's he has he has passed the most important test in pro wrestling according to brian depperson okay he's a great guy oh my god i haven't met him that's not true i have he he is he is no i know He is fantastic. I think he's a Pete guy. A Pete guy as well. I think he's a Pete guy. Do people know about that? I don't think the listeners know what that means. Oh, sure they do. They never heard it. Dip and I are always analyzing who calls me Pete and who calls me Peter.

1:04:51Zach, what do you call me? I say Peter. Yeah. I've heard him say Peter. It's a respect thing, though. Thank you. Thank you. I think Ed might be a Pete guy. You think so? Yeah. Well, can I tell you what? There's another thing because Ed has Ed. I think. Ed has Ed and Eddie. Yeah. Ed has a big Ed, Eddie thing going on here. A lot of people call him Eddie. A lot of people call him Ed. I'm an Eddie guy. I'm Eddie. Zach, you call him Eddie. It's Eddie. It's Eddie. That's what he introduced me as when he first hired me. In my phone, he's Ed, but I call him Eddie. In my phone, he's Ed, parentheses, Fight Nation.

1:05:32Fight Nation? Yeah, that's how long I've had his number on my phone. I don't remember from what we originally dealt with each other, but I call him Edward. I call him Edward out of respect. So that's Jey Uso, LA Knight, Royce Keys, and Finn Balor tonight. I assume Jey Uso comes out of that, and then you get, God, you want to talk about a match, though, Depp. Imagine Finn Balor comes out of it, and then you get Javon Evans and Finn in the next match. I'd rather see that, to be honest with you. That would be professional. I love how they did like a Finn Balor promo that he's coming to SmackDown.

1:06:01Hey, just so you know, this is Finn Balor. I'm familiar with him It's so funny who they choose to do that reintroduction to I don't hate it It's just so crazy Finn Balor is Finn Balor Ben Queen is weighed in He says that if he has bad news he's Ed If it's good news, Eddie Alright we're down to one minute Sam, you have like 20 seconds What do you got for us Sam? So So I think Oba beats Roman night one of SummerSlam with the championship. Now Brock and him fight for the championship. He retires Brock. Oba's the star. That's what it is. That's storytelling. That's Oba. Thank you, Sam. Sorry, Sam.

1:06:57I got to cut you off because we got to go. But I hear you guys. I don't think that I – as much as I think it is time to go, with Oba, I think that you guys are talking too much too fast. That's my personal opinion. I just can't see us moving that fast. All right. Dip has some big Hollywood agenting to do. SGG, of course, is at court. But we will be back with more cheap heat and a special guest right here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. New World Wrestling Federation superstars cookies from Salono. great tasting cookies in 10 fun to eat wwf wrestling shapes ladies and gentlemen welcome back to cheap heat live pro wrestling nation 24 7 i'm your forever 24 7 champion peter rosenberg uh sgg and dip had to dip uh sgg with big uh court moves sgg with big powerful meetings uh but don't worry don't anyone fear because just because sgg and dip are here doesn't mean I don't have someone with a lot of wrestling opinions and interesting thoughts to join us.

1:08:01It's been a long time. You've been waiting. You've missed her. She's beautiful. She's talented. She's sexy. She loves Limp Bizkit. She created one of the cutest humans on planet Earth. Ladies and gentlemen, Natalie, Miss Hatton, Amrossi Rosenberg. Hey, guys. did you miss me

1:08:33hi how are you i'm good i'm excited to be here you know i think this is my first time on on the station on pro wrestling nation 24 7 yeah so so if you're listening to the show but you never used to listen to she peed the podcast natalie as uh as we fell deeper in love and got into a more and more serious relationship. Her appearances started to pick up a little bit, word by word. Every once in a while, she would pop on with a thought or two on wrestling, a question or two, or just generally weigh in. But I think since we've, the timing of this whole thing on Pro Wrestling Nation almost lines up directly with the baby, like the end of the pregnancy, maybe.

1:09:11No, I guess the baby was already born. Because we've only been here, I think, coming up on a year. So. I mean, it's also different too. It feels more legitimate than just jumping on a podcast for some reason. I don't know why. I guess it's just more pressure. So I'm like, let me. Oh, you fell back. Let me not say anything. Well, before we get into any wrestling, let's just ask you the question that everyone wants to know. Unlike SGG, you are not a fraud. You are both frauds in some ways. However, you have never rooted for any other team. SGG, he's in Philadelphia. Now he's back on the Knicks. Oh, he's a Knicks fan?

1:09:47Yeah, you have always been a Knicks fan. How is it feeling at this moment on the eve of a chance for them to win the championship? How are you feeling? It's exciting, you know? It kind of, I have like this high that I can compare it to the day we got married. You know that when you're just like high off life? Yeah, it's that kind of feeling. You walk outside the city streets, you know, you see little kids with their Knicks hat and people riding their bikes, wearing Nick's gear. It's just fun. It's just a fun time to be in New York. I was at headquarters the other day, and I said, honestly, the only thing I can compare what New York feels like right now to, when you walk down the street, it's almost like being at WrestleMania with the amount of merch.

1:10:34Oh, my God, yes. The merch is out of control. And so many stores are doing custom merch, too, of all Nick's gear and stuff. So people are making money. Nick's? Oh, no, no, no. And the bootleggers are going crazy. I mean, we got a bootleg shirt. We did. I'm not, I wasn't, I didn't realize how many more there'd be, but now there's. I like the one you got me though. Oh, thanks. Fire. Now real quick, cause we are doing GP live here on pro wrestling nation 24 seven. Correct. A week ago at this time, you and I were getting ready to go to Rome or we were in Rome and we were getting ready to go to the live event at Palazzo del Sporto in Rome.

1:11:11You also were at the show in Torino, but you were in a suite. Yes, yes, yes. So how was the experience in Torin? It was cool, but you were so far away. I just love international shows. I just find it to be so charming and exciting. Everyone's just so happy to be there. And everyone is there exactly when the show starts. No one's lingering outside and waiting. People are getting their money's worth and getting every second of the show. So I just love it. Well, Natalie said that because her and Maya arrived later. so like only like 25 30 minutes late like and it's a ghost town outside ghost town i'm like okay is this is it every seat is full and it's empty and we we left early because obviously we had the baby so we went to the house show in rome we didn't get to see the main um because the baby was winding down it was like 11 o 'clock already 10 30 and so we left and when you walk outside a few minutes before the show is over it is just an absolute ghost town um but man that crowd was so fun at the house show.

1:12:13Un, doi! I don't know what that is. You know when they do the one, two, three? No, I know, but you don't know one, two, three in Italian. No, I never really got... Well, you know, because they do the count a couple times throughout a match, right? So you get the one, two all the time, but... Let's see. One, two, three in Italian is... Cento! No, that's a hundred. No, no, no. Come on, Peter. Okay, hold on. It's un, one two and then three in Italian because it tried to give me one twenty three I think you just need three uno due tre that's it tre yeah that's it yeah I figured it would be something oh no it's it's it's una una due tre I didn't get to the tre because you'd always say oh it would be more of the una due ah yeah But it was a great experience.

1:13:10And you also got to spend some quality time with Becky Lynch. The man herself. The man herself. She really is the man. And the little man. And the little man, the mini man. The mini man, Rue. I love that little girl. She's so sweet. Yeah. Natalie ended up basically, Natalie and Maya were hanging out with Rue for the day. It was a great day exploring Rome. By the way, our daughter is being so extremely cute right now. She's letting us do this interview. and she's just locked in to miss rachel with no volume look how cute she's just sitting there like a good little girl watching it even though there's nothing she's making up what's going on in her head they're doing hop little bunnies oh well everyone knows hop little bunny hop everyone knows and if you if for all the parents out there if you know hop little bunny hop hop hop hop little bunny hop hop hop hop little bunny hop hop hop hop little bunny hop and stop but you but the early lyrics in that song when they say she's uh he's so still right are they ill it's a very weird yeah because they want to know if the bunny's sleeping or not yeah i know but like are they ill are you like questioning if the bunny's dead yeah it's a it's a dark dark yeah it's a dark song but we love it in this household big in this house all right so a couple of wrestling things to get to we were i I was in the discord earlier.

1:14:32I had not been there in so long. I have to admit, I felt a little guilty. I sheepishly walked back into the, um, pecker heads section of our discord. I hadn't been there in so long. And thankfully jaded Fox was there to greet me and said, glad to have you back. I know you've been super busy with life, the ELR show and the validate me. Please don't forget us. Um, so I said, does anybody have any questions? A request? Cause we're going to do a Patreon show tomorrow. so i wanted to know if anybody had any patreon thoughts and then also just any questions um in general um someone said cis said i haven't heard much in terms of kofi and woods rumors is that the biggest what's happening story i mean the only reason i would push back on that being like a huge what if story is like don't we know what the story is don't we know where this is going i think there's only one direction this is going and this is them showing up at on dynamite at some point and that's the only way it's going and i think the new day you know the woods cove version of new day having a six to ten month saga with the young bucks is the only way that that story is going it has to be um let's see a patreon request from yeah 1988 how about some classic nwo given the 30-year anniversary since it formed that's right guys we are living right now in 30 years since nwo coming up soon it'll be the anniversary of bash at the beach um when hogan turned of course i love that idea maybe we just look back to a exactly what episode of nitro we would have been on for the coming monday and and rock that if we can find it also I didn't know until yesterday that there was a WCW YouTube channel that WWE had been had been doing I did not know that um let's see I would love to hear everyone's rankings on this year's NXT call-ups and mid-year awards that's a good conversation that is a very good one um Sol Ruka I thought by the way and we talked about this some earlier I thought Sol Ruka looked really good on Monday in Paris.

1:16:54I think that she's been getting a really hard time from people. They've really been grading her tough. I understand it. I get why you should hold people to a high standard, but I think you do have to look at it overall as success. I think she's fighting through it. Some discomfort early on that you could sort of see from her. And my hope and thought is that after clash in Italy, she maybe has found a little bit of her way here and it is really going to start blossoming. Ethan Page, I think, is doing a great job so far. Again, still early. Like, with Ethan Page and Ricky Starks, you know, we're really just seeing the beginning.

1:17:32I think Ricky has been great every time we've seen him, including with Seth this week, and Ricky's been extremely confident every time. He is one guy who I have not seen any bit of nerves from the second he walked in the door on SmackDown. Ricky Saints is someone who looks like he is completely been ready for this which is not surprising um you know if you've kind of been following him he kind of has been ready um but but going through in a more thorough way listen i i hate to say it because it's it's it's it seems biased and it is in terms of everybody who is elevated from one brand to another guys can we just call it what it is by the way i'm not even counting oba i'm sorry i'm removing oba oba is obviously out of this world okay and Javon at this point feels like such an established part of the show both of those guys have to have A's there's just no question about it so outside of Oba and Javon who we know are just I think killing it guys I think the biggest jump up in all of the recent months from Brandon Brent it's Kendall Gray on NXT Kendall Gray went from someone you may have not heard of if you were not, you probably hadn't heard of, if you were not watching Evolve.

1:18:51Frankly, if you weren't a peckerhead who listens to Cheap Heat and you weren't hearing me plug Evolve every week and you weren't watching Evolve on Tubi, you might have not even known who Kendall Gray was. And now she'll have another championship opportunity in NXT after winning a huge match against Kehlani Jordan this past week. So I think Kendall Gray, even though you're not talking main roster, is so impressive. You got to give her an A plus as well. Um, a mighty Vin asked us a great question here about a new Japan that I have no knowledge of and cannot, uh, answer with any sort of respectful answer.

1:19:31So I'm going to go ahead and lay out, but I will take back. Uh, I will take from your, your email that dominion is happening this weekend and I need to dial in. There's just so much damn good wrestling to watch. Obviously, as you heard us talking about mass versus mask earlier and the brilliance that has been triple recently um ac905 says what have you made of cody rhodes title run having similar story beats like this clip i'm sending you and what do you think cody's character needs assuming he doesn't turn heel to freshen up and he this they sent me a link to a video trying to figure out what the video actually states here oh it's showing different things showing kevin owens kevin owens going back and forth with nick aldis and then they're showing drew mcintyre so i guess they're just saying you know there's a repetitiveness um and maybe i'll you know some people feel that the Cody story needs freshening I hear that this is the hard part I think Cody has done a fantastic job I think the way Cody has been running with the balls unreal I think it's very hard to stay on top as a babyface champion again I'm no booker I'm not trying to be Jim Cornette guys not trying to be any of the great former wrestlers that we have on this station who have true minds for the business that's not me I'm not pretending to be but I have to say I think it's very hard in 2026 to run as the babyface champion I just I do I think no matter who it is you're going to be going really

1:21:20um Saint Skull oh that's a big Minnesota person I'm feeling as a peckerhead with SummerSlam tickets yep would love to hear your two-night main event predictions by the way Oba has to win king of the ring right i don't see anyone else remaining main eventing summer slam where does that leave seth cody punk obviously punk is a huge question mark lots of rumors about him this week which i don't buy um i think oba brock is main eventing one night now i don't know how that plays in with the king of the ring thing because oba wins king of the ring he's supposed to get a title match does he get does oba get a title match one night and brock the other night does oba main event both nights of SummerSlam?

1:22:04Where do they go with Seth, Cody, Punk? Great question. I don't know what the story out there is. I mean, I guess Cody and Gunther could run it back at SummerSlam. I don't know if that really feels

1:22:18sexy enough, or are they running that back at Night of Champions? I've had a crazy couple of weeks here.

1:22:25I don't know if that sounds like SummerSlam. So far, Night of Champions, all we know is the king of the ring finals and the queen of the ring finals.

1:22:37I don't know. Cody Gunther could get SummerSlam, but do I feel like that one night, Oba Brock the next night, is enough? Cody Gunther, they're going to put on a great match. My problem with Cody Gunther is the story. I've had this issue with Gunther for a while. His character of just being like, I just take out the really dominant guys. That's not enough character for people to get super excited about the matchups, in my opinion. I think the character needs something else. And obviously, Ludwig Kaiser, I don't think, is going to be seconding for Gunther anytime soon. But I think Gunther needs more.

1:23:18Now, Natalie, you're still here. You were just on your phone for a while. You got to see Oba in person. What were your impressions of seeing Obafemi live at Clash? It was awesome. He was great. It was, he was, yeah, he's very athletic, this man. And he was very loved by the Italians, huh? Oh, my God. Was he the cheering? But then they ended up cheering for Brock big time, too. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting to see. They, like, loved Oba. I'd say of all the young stars, Oba was their favorite. But then I think they're just great wrestling fans. So when Brock won, they were still just excited that Brock won.

1:23:56what did you what did you think of uh fwendhausen oh my god you loved dan has he was he was great we we we got into the arena when he was when he had his match yeah and yeah no everyone went crazy um the moment the match ended the the bum rush of people just running to the yeah they they were letting the crowd kind of really run up to the ring and like the aisle to like i don't know if They were letting the crowd, but it was happening. And they just weren't fighting. Towards the middle end, they had to tell people to like. Chill. Now, you got to meet Frenthausen as well. Now, when you saw Danhausen, sans Danhausen, like he didn't have it all on.

1:24:39Did you instantly recognize him? You didn't? No. How long did it take before you realized? When you said this is Frenthausen. Really? Kind of. I mean, it happened quickly. I don't know. Yeah. You said it immediately. I didn't even get a moment to even think like, oh, is that Dan Halson? Like I didn't even, I was just too busy looking at the baby and seeing where she was. Our baby who I'm going to say this, we're allowed to curse on serious. So I'm going to, Oh, you are. Calm down. Our baby who at that moment, how do I say this nicely? Smelled like pure shit. She had literally pooped her pants and like, we're walking around backstage and all these cool wrestlers around.

1:25:21Maya, Maya, you pooped your pants in front of Sol Ruka, Dan Housen, Damian Priest, and Becky Lynch. They all could smell that you pooped your pants. What are your thoughts? She has no concerns whatsoever. Natalie, are you dialed in at all? I know there's a wrestling podcast. Are you dialed in at all for World Cup? Do you care? I don't care. No, I'm all Knicks, baby. So you're not even... I mean, I'll watch it. Will you root for Team USA? with me sure will you root for brazil with me sure oh sure what if it means eating delicious brazilian food sure pound jikeju anyone i love pound jikeju um anyways it was a it was a really cool really cool experience natalie i always have a great time with you coming to shows thank you for bringing maya and bringing the headphones and caring for her at the show it meant a lot she seemed into it by the way right she liked she was into it yeah she she oh there was only one moment when you were like maybe she shouldn't be watching this you only had one moment like that what happened you don't remember no it was during the ah it was during the rome street fight stop oh yeah with the tables and the stop spinning in circles a little bit our baby does this do you guys have your kids done this she just starts spinning in circles this kid i think there may be something wrong with her um yeah they started using a kendo stick i believe seth was beating brawn breaker with a kendo stick and that was the one moment natalie looked at little flendhausen and said hey maybe you don't need to watch this correct because that was the most realistic looking violence yeah yeah and besides that you were pretty good with it all right yeah yeah i think she was just like she was into the crowd she was into everything you think you should we bring her to saturday night's main event at msg yes yes maya what is it it's july 17th oh okay i think i Maya you want to go to Saturday night's main event I want to photograph it yeah she said yeah yeah you want to go okay great you can go alright guys we got to go thank you for a little family time on this Friday I hope it didn't annoy everyone and you enjoyed it if you want to get down with Patreon we are back in the Patreon game starting this weekend maybe we will do some NWO related stuff but we're going to record tomorrow very excited about that cheap heat live on Patreon of course shout out to the rest of the pro wrestling nation 24 7 family Kelly Zach of course Emilio Sparks and everybody else guys we love you we appreciate you we'll see you next week if we don't catch you on Patreon stay mage and enjoy yourself