Is WWE Doing TOO MUCH With The Bloodline?

0:27It's Jeep Heat with Peter Rosenberg. Peter Rosenberg featuring Stat Guy Greg and Dip. Ladies and gentlemen, we are here the weekend of August 21st on WWE Radio. Cheap Heat live on a Friday, Saturday, wherever you catch us on the podcast. It could be Sunday. Who knows? It could be Monday. You could be getting ready for Raw, but right now as we do this, it's Friday, August 21st. It's 12 noon Eastern time. I'm in the greatest city of the world, New York City. A beautiful, beautiful day in New York. and in an also mage but more repug than new york city city is the physically large stack guy greg coming to us from philadelphia pa listen man i can't disagree with that perfect assessment also mage but more repug than new york city that's it yeah i mean it's not offensive no every city falls into that category to some degree at least philly's still top tier and and i should say i you know i'm overstating it you know greatest city in the world is a fun thing to say about new york you know it's also true it's also true don't walk you back true and true and true in some it's true in some ways true in some ways a lot of the worst ways we uh rank amongst the top uh you know it's here's the thing though i'm not willing to make this true greatest city in the world statement until i feel out to other cities now american cities in my opinion for american cities, I think it's number one.

1:52Easily. I think it's number one. Philly's very good. Chicago's great. New Orleans is a sleeper. Sneaky, great city. New Orleans, low-key, pretty great. But, you know, it's lacking in some things, but has abundance in other things. The Bay Area is certainly, you know, fantastic. And then there's lots of, you know, sleeper, smaller cities out there. Listen, on the low on the low man Tampa St. Pete is a great hang great hang on the low oh it's a great hang on the low it's one of those Ted aka Wrestling for Sale also loves Tampa and he has a funny he'll describe places as the Tampa of blank I don't know you know what's a sleeper about it is it's Florida so there's inherently repuggery yes but it has like the the beautiful chill vibes that you expect from the better parts of florida except it does it kind of on the humble it's just kind of on the low-key tip see that's how i feel about dallas and austin too exactly it's just about not austin but not austin getting a little flashy with it a little flash with it but dallas no dallas is the one that to me is the sleeper yeah because austin became the everybody's moving there south by southwest you got to go to austin keep austin weird blah blah blah dallas does kind of knock it down a little bit if you got to be so you've got to keep talking about yeah man just just be you but here's the here's the old thing about dallas is that you know the the one thing that that you know me and for example example our producer Zach today can come together on is our hatred of the Dallas Cowboys and and yet Zach have you ever been to a game in Dallas no I haven't been but uh I I would have no problem just throwing hands when whenever needed well you know no I don't think you'll have to calm down you're not in Philly I hate the Cowboys no I understand we don't have to fight we can just take the game in but what I was going to say is Not only is that building just the best, like, I'm sorry, we can all hate on Jerry as much as we want.

4:15Jerry World is gorgeous. It is. But the city is just a good time, man. Dallas is a low-key. A lot of hip-hop people move to Dallas. Badu lives in Dallas. She's from Dallas, I believe. She's from Dallas. The DOC lives in Dallas. Raekwon lives in Dallas. Inspector Tech lives in Dallas. No, Dallas is a great town. Anyways, guys, we're so happy to be here. We're going to have a fun show today. Dip is going to join us later. But obviously, the news of the day as we're talking here on Friday is that tonight in Toronto, we have this massive matchup with KO and CM Punk. And I'm very curious to get your feedback.

5:01And, you know, I don't know what the conversation has been like throughout the week. I haven't listened to a lot of WWE radio this week, so I haven't heard everybody's takes on this, but maybe it's for the better. Because, you know, I won't be affected by what other people are saying. But SUG, tell me where you're at. I am in a space right now where when I see KO and CM Punk in the ring together, my juices are flowing, okay? I'm inherently excited to just see them in the ring together and on the mic together and to see what's going to happen and they're two of the best to ever do it on the mic obviously you know Punk maybe one who knows he's up there right but KO no slouch in that department at all very very strong on the mic I would say KO at least in these past two weeks when we saw them eye to eye I think KO got him 2-0 on the mic.

6:02Okay. And even maybe KO's 2-0. But here's my concern. I feel like we are getting a story that has all of this real emotion in it. but what they're delivering in the ring on the mic isn't the full story so like it's it's a half assed version of the story sgg and to me and i'm gonna let you get your piece in here but my feeling is just if we're gonna go with the this is real you gotta give us the full real otherwise let's just make up a story and do a dance if you're gonna give us the real i need the real and i feel like we've come up a little bit short and ending last week with your bitch ass and your fat ass and that was cheap heat baby just like just like the show and i just i just feel like i want one if you're gonna go there go all the way there what say you i i i agree i agree i understand why they can't go all the way there because so much of the lore not even so much all of the lore is outside of wwe 100 of it right because by the time we get ko punk is gone he's uh he's persona non grata and then when punk comes back they cross paths one time in like one random promo battle where none of this comes up so they can't really touch on all of the lore but but where i will push back on is, you know, wrestling fans, and I'm going to speak for myself, but I am looking tonight to see, because we all think we know, we watch moves and we think that we understand, oh, this one was a little stiff.

7:52That was a little heavy. I'm looking for those moments, right? Because what they said, like you said, these guys on the mic, they bring it. They have never had a problem making us believe whether it was a story that was handed to them or something that came out of their life. They never had that problem. I'm looking for when the bell rings. What do they make me believe? I'm looking for like, okay, Punk laid that kick in kind of tough right there. KO threw him. I'm looking for those moments where it feels like, oh, that's some hatred. That was with bad intentions. Well, that's going to be where tonight gets very, very interesting.

8:32I mean, these are obviously two professionals, but also guys with a lot of personal feelings. and and don't get me wrong i want to be clear i enjoyed both promos very much because the intensity is that strong and because i'm that curious and they're both that charismatic i'm just telling you for me the quality of the story they're telling to each other could be better and even sgg with so much of it being outside wwe i think there's a way that they can tell it in that ring It almost felt like, and again, I'm speaking out of school because what the hell do I know? And listen, I've pissed off Punk and KO on multiple occasions.

9:11So what's another time? But to me, what it feels like is almost like there's so much trust in that they can just go out there and get it done that maybe it needed a little bit more outline. You know what I'm saying? Like, cause I saw moments when they were like kind of in mid conversation and I could see their, their gears turning of like, wait, where do I go? Where am I going here? Cause like, it's almost like these guys are so good. They don't have to do anything, but trust me as someone who's pretty good. I've done okay at the talking thing over the last 20 minutes. I'm still better when I come in prepared.

9:55And I just think sometimes maybe this is a little too loosey-goosey. But listen, tonight is really step one. This was really the preamble. So they got plenty of time to tell this story. I'm very excited to see what they do in the ring. A lot of excitement around tonight's SmackDown with the championship match in there. Also, SUG, and we'll get into this more in hour two, really feels like this Saturday night's main event is Sunday. I'm sorry. This Sunday night's main event is really building up to be like the biggest, most serious one we've seen in some time. Yeah. And listen, you appreciate that, right?

10:36For WWE's return to Sunday nights outside of a night two extravaganza. Like Sunday night WWE shows, we grew up on that. We love that. So they can't just show up and do what they've been doing. They have to do it right. That's exactly right. That's a fair point by you. And also, don't forget, the main event on Fridays was big. Yeah. A lot of big things happened on the main event. Like that was, so don't sleep on the Sunday night main event. No. It's feeling to me, just this like from the limited stuff we know right now, it's already a bigger event than we've seen here in a little while. So just get ready.

11:27They just locked this in. Wendy Richter will defend the title against the fabulous moolah. So that's happening. I'm sorry. I think I'm looking at the wrong one. Where's the spider lady? Did the spider lady not get a book for this one? No, but so far, while Richter is not on the card, Cody and Randy and Oba and Braun are locked. Yeah. As Paul Heyman said, that's good business right there. And we haven't even found out what the Trick situation is. And, you know, Trick and Yachty are the poster for Sunday Night Main Event. Oh, are they? Are they the host? Have you seen it? That is like, you know how crazy that is?

12:16You know how crazy it is that that is the poster? Oh, wow. This poster's hard, though. No, it's crazy. This poster's fire. That's a crazy thing. I like that they just went straight gold, too. They didn't even bother with the red, white, blue aesthetic. They just sprinkled some trick nation on it. Where would you put Yachty at this moment in time in terms of other like the quote unquote guests or outsiders in terms of I don't mean skill. I don't mean talent, but just in terms of how far inside he is at this point. Like he's been he's been running now since what? Six weeks before mania. Yeah, he's top tier.

13:07He's top tier. I mean, there's no other way to say it. when he first showed up fans were like yo we need him week to week he's been coming in week to week he's been hitting his role and because let's face it like everybody else that comes in they want to get in the ring how many celebrities have we seen say no i want to manage which sneakily does involve being in the ring y 'all he's got his ass whooped a lot more times than you would expect for a manager and he's coming in every single week. I would say he's top tier just because he changed what celebrities do in this space. He's not on commentary.

13:48He's not in the ring. He's the guy next to the guy. It's very impressive, man. I've been super pleased with Yachty. I'm super happy for him and super pleased with his work. 877-344-4893. After the break, what I want to do is I want to hear from the people about KO and CM Punk. I started the show with my take that I feel like this story, while there's a lot of intensity in there, the story being told is missing a little something, and I want to see more from it. I'm curious to what you all think about what you guys in the nation feel about the story so far, and also your predictions for what happens in tonight's matchup.

14:32So we're going to do that. We want your calls right now at 877-344-4893. But before that, Dip has found a way. It was hard at times, but he has found a way, folks, and he made his internet work and his microphone, and he's here. Dip, welcome. No, thank you. Nothing works. Nothing works the way it's supposed to work. He just wants things to work, and they just don't seem to want to work for him. And the look that he gives, it's truly a sight to behold. today was very sad i was upset for it we i wish we could release a compilation video of dip having technical problems just the faces like just cutting it's just the shirt changes the glasses may change the hair the facial hair changes but it's always the same as gg the same like throwing his hands up in anger but here's the thing that there's that i do the same thing nothing changes with me every single week i i plug in the thing i plug in the thing i put on the headphones and i And that's it.

15:31I don't do anything different. Things around me change and are altered. No, you're not wrong in what you're saying. It's not right. Technology has a problem with you, and I find that to be very offensive. He might be wrong, though. That's how I feel. By the way, my car was just in the shop. Get in the car. I press the button. I hit the gas, and I turn the wheel. Things around me go wrong. I don't do anything different. It's never you. it's only the things around you it's like genuine sung on the song same old G it's not that you change it's the people around you that are changing you know what I'm saying Bill Moore says the same thing

16:19I don't even know what to do with that yeah there's so much there there's so much there I almost went somewhere there but I said this is a I told Dip years ago to try to get me. I want to do anything to get on that show so I can have a – I want to give him my opinion on that. I disagree. But by the way, speaking of Same Old G by Ginuwine. Great song. Great song. Something has to be done versus trotting out yesterday. Joe and Donnell Jones. The versus has become ridiculous. They're going and going. Anyone's on versus. I mean, it's going to be you and Charlamagne soon. By the way, I think that would have been a culturally more exciting matchup.

17:12Joe and Donnell Jones? I like Joe and I like Donnell Jones, but they're just singers from the same era, so just throw them out there. How many hits does Donnell Jones have? Is he... Not 20. Not 20. More than three?

17:34Hold on. Let me think. Where I want to be. Where I want to be is big. You know what's up? You know what's up is big. Let me tell you something. Versus now feels like the last few seasons of Celebrity Deathmatch. You're like, this doesn't make any sense. by the way of all the places i thought he was gonna go sgg i didn't see that one coming either i was trying and he ain't wrong i was gonna make the wwe comp like what what on earth would the comp if wwe on the next ple if they said we're gonna just trot out joe and donnell jones sgg that's like the main event that they announce for the next thing it's like and and and this in with what is the comp for what that of it it's it's it's otis versus it's no do one in history that's funnier like i just saw oh what uh bastian booger versus um giant gonzalez why like why are we doing just because they exist doesn't mean we them in a versus.

18:49Skinner. Skinner? Now you're talking Dips language. Skinner and Repo Man? Skinner versus Repo Man. Skinner and Repo Man is the conversation. Alright, so real quick, before we start taking your calls at 877-344 - 4893, we're going to get to you guys in just a moment. The question I'm asking you in the Cheap Heat universe is your thoughts on KO and Punk so far, what you think is going to happen tonight, and how you feel about my assessment that while the story should be amazing because they clearly hate each other, we need more. I believe we need more from that story. Let's go to Adam in Nashville who wants to talk about Big Cass.

19:39Well, speaking of huge, I am 6 '5". So, kind of huge myself. You're a giant of J's. Yeah, but I'm not a kid. I'm 48. You are not a kid. No, no, by the way, 48. No one's calling 48 a kid. Yeah, yeah, especially after your conversation earlier. Yeah, I know, dude, it's tough. I wanted to call in about the big and the underwhelming, at least in my opinion, return. I mean, he is seven feet tall and you can't teach that. But I think you can teach Mike and charisma. And I just, I never watched him in A &A because I never really got into that. But just seeing him solo without Enzo is just so underwhelming to me.

20:36So I don't know if I'm the only person that thinks that. But I just I got really excited when I saw he was coming back, I guess, because I thought he was coming with Enzo. But I'm just very underwhelmed. What are your thoughts? I think that is a that is a fair place to be. I mean, we've now seen the same thing repeat. What, three times, three or four times? Yeah, three times. Adam, thank you for the call. I was of the mindset and I said this a while ago. if you're bringing cast back, and again, this is all uncharted territory, this whole WWE radio thing. I'm trying to figure out where the lines are.

21:18I don't know, I guess. But I'm going to keep it$1.50 with you guys always. When I heard Big Cass was coming back, I said bring Enzo back. It's insane. I'm sorry. I don't know what the politics are. I know there were a lot of people, if you've read the stories, a lot of people had problems with Enzo. Dip and I saw Enzo recently. He's a great guy. If those fences can be mended, you bring them both back. That's how I feel. I agree. I agree, Pete. And I don't think there's a fan who is honest with themselves and with us who will say that they want to see Cass without Enzo. Just do the thing and bring him back and do what people love, man.

22:04This is no disrespect to Cass. I don't want to be the next guy that he runs up on and puts the paws on, but I'm just giving my opinion here. We need him with Enzo. SGG, here's my thought on what you do. We're so used to the guy with the big mouth gets himself in trouble and then the big guy comes back and saves him. I would love to see a situation where Big Cass at some point is getting talked to in a way where it's like he's being disrespected so crazy. And it's like, what's the problem? Cat got your tongue? You're so big, but you're so stupid you can't even talk. And then you just hear Enzo on that mic.

22:45It would be crazy. I mean, we can't forget that Enzo and Cass together was the most over men's tag team of the modern era? Has there been a more over? I mean, I'm talking about post-Usos and New Day. Like, who's been more over? Who's come along that was new? If you take away the Usos and the New Day, you've got to put Enzo and Cass right up there. You got to. Can you guys think? I mean, like, this would have been great tag teams. I'm not taking anything away from the club and FTR and all these awesome wrestling tag teams. But as far as, like, set the crowd on fire, I mean, there's no tag team.

23:37But the New Age Outlaws, that was a retrip. I mean, obviously, that was a 20-year throwback when they came out or whatever that was. There's no tag team that could have done a promo in the ring with no mic that the crowd could hear because they were waiting with bated breath for every word that came out of Enzo's mouth. and then when it was time for them to pop in and do a call and response and and sing along with enzo the crowd was able to do it because they knew every like he had them right here he had them in the palm of his hand no other tag team could do that the fact of the matter is the the casting obviously like sg would say i think we got to let it play out but it does seem like week to week there's more conversation online about what cory graves said or didn't say about cas than what's happening with Cass in the ring.

24:31So it's good. Listen, you got to let it play out. And maybe they will find the story that makes sense for Cass and it turns out to be great. But I don't disagree with the idea that Enzo would certainly help. Let's take another call. 877-344-4893. We have Tom in Toronto who is going to SmackDown tonight. Tom, what's going on, buddy? How's it going, guys? Good, good. What's good, dude? Yes, I'm heading down with my son, my 10-year-old son, tonight to the show. So we're looking forward to seeing how big of a pop from the Canadian crowd that KO is going to get and whether or not it kind of turns Punk more into a heel tonight.

25:17He kind of leans into more heel tendencies in the ring if the pop is that big for KO tonight. Kind of like Rock Hogan at WrestleMania 18. if he leans into it a little bit more. But I think that Sammy's going to rear his ugly head into the outcome of the match and kind of screw KO in the end and maybe start a feud between the two of them again. That is, you know what? Oh, my God. That's a very interesting point, SGG, because Sammy did sort of get screwed by the return of KO. but at the same time what a sort of disappointment on some level that would be because while we all want Sammy and KO at some point to finish their story it feels like that would be like such a half-assed way of doing KO and Punk yeah I don't like it I don't like it although I will say as much as I want KO to win and I'm I'm riding with him tonight I'm predicting a win for KO there's a long history of canadians losing wwe championship matches in canada bret hart's on that list sammy's on that list edge is on that list um you know i think bret hart might be the only canadian to win a world championship in canada and that was way back in 92 in saskatoon So KO got an uphill battle As much as we like to think Oh this is a home game And he's gonna Do what he does in Canada And it's gonna work out well for him It hasn't Really for any of his comrades Besides Brett and Trish Stratus So I'm looking for some heartbreak tonight I don't know how we get there And if it is Sammy Which It very Very well Maybe

27:16Yeah I don't know I don't know what to do Well, yeah, I just I'm not ready to go back to I'm not ready to go back to KO and Sammy right now. Dipperstein, do you have a prediction for tonight? Do you do you have do you assume CM Punk leaves as champion? Yes, CM Punk will leave as champion. I just like, you know, look, the problem I haven't really gotten to talk about this yet on this episode. It's just a lot of, you know, I said this in the group chat the other day. I think we just need to get away from mean talk. mean talk is just doesn't it doesn't excite it doesn't even i'll fast forward through mean talk i don't like you everyone hates you you've been a nuisance for years yeah thank god you you came back so i can beat your ass these are things i can say yeah you're your bitch ass and you're fat ass and you're ass ass yeah these are things i can say to my neighbor oh i will have you have you A couple times.

28:11I will say, finally that tree got cut down. Yeah, exactly. Diff handles biz. Don't fuck with Diff. I will say though, what I found funny about the promo last week was KO mentioned in Punk, he's like, you know, your back was turned and you said something to the camera and then Punk goes, I'll say it to your face. And twice, Kevin Owens invited him to say it to his face and Punk didn't say it. What? it's a lot of mean talk, but I think, I think punk might be a little scared of KO. Cause he did not say it to his, that he did not accept that invitation. That is, that is an interesting, that is an interesting point.

28:51A dip. You are, you're framing it in the sick of the mean talk is exactly what I'm saying in a funnier, more pointed way. But yeah, it's just, you're not, you're not, you guys aren't telling the story. They're hinting at the story, but then they just go, fuck you fat ass. And you're not actually saying what the story is like. So I just, I get it. It took place outside WWE. And I don't want to completely, I don't want to completely dismiss the part that the story KO told about the locker room on the Indies and how he like attacked him. Yeah, that was cool. That was a real story. Let's not completely ignore that.

29:35That was a real story. but we're beating around the bush on some of the other stuff and i just i'd rather them just not talk about i'd rather them just make up a story like what happened to that like just make up something completely that is fake i don't you know like the indie stuff is cool and i like that i do like that when they talk about that stuff but i also feel like just i know we've become reliant. We've become reliant on it all has to be a work shoot. It doesn't have to be that. It doesn't have to be that. Can't it just be, can't he just leave a flaming bag of poo on his doorstep? Yeah.

30:15If this story became KO puts a flaming bag of poo on CM Punk's like in his vestibule, now we're having a conversation. Yeah, because I think CM Punk lives in an apartment so he'd have to do it in the hallway of the apartment. No, he lives in a beautiful house near my house. Oh, I was thinking the Chicago place, not the LA place. Come on. To Dip's point, too. CM Punk, his most intense feud in WWE, for me at least so far, has been with Drew McIntyre. Do we know exactly what he did to Drew? Do we have the exact details? No, we don't. And for all we know, it could have been made up. It could have been a made up test feud to see like how people do with CM Punk and Drew.

30:58Yeah, we don't know what he was. It was made up. We don't know. But that goes to Dipp's point. That goes to Dipp's point right there. That's it. The best story. A lot of me talking in that feud. But the best story, the CM Punk Drew thing, was I believe CM Punk's best work since he's come back. And the whole thing was Drew disrespecting AJ and Larry. And it was all just wrestling a work. It was just a proper story. Drew did say he had some quote-unquote real heat with CM Punk I know and Punk did flirt with the line I think that might have even been made up we don't know what it is that never came out we know everything about everybody we know who pushed somebody into a locker we know all that this beef with Drew and Punk never came out yeah here's the beauty of pro wrestling you can just make things up that's sort of the whole thing that's a lot to do with that we want your thoughts on the KO and Punk of it all.

31:59More Cheap Pete and your phone calls next right here on WWE Radio. Lincoln, the wait is over. What you have to see yet is the most unnatural, the most unforgiving, and the unyielding force ever to walk the face of the earth. What? The World Wrestling Federation returns to Berging Auditorium tonight, 8 o 'clock with a special night of grudge matches. In the main event, The Undertaker will attempt to claim the soul of the voodoo practitioner Papa Sean Cole. Plus, Big Boss Man dares to challenge former sumo champion Yoko Tsunami for the WWF Intercontinental title. Champion Shawn Michaels goes head-to-head against his former tag-team partner Marty Jannetty.

32:47Then Crush takes on Repo Man and much more. Tickets are still available at the auditorium box office at all. Ticketmaster Drug lads are charged at 475-1212 for the return of the World Wrestling Federation. Now tonight at 8 in Perking Auditorium. Natalie just sent me a video of Jerry the King Lawler getting a street named for him in Memphis. That's nice to see. Oh, wow. Did he get like the street way, Jerry Lawler way, Jerry Lawler Avenue? I think it's Jerry the King Lawler Street. Okay. By the way, let me say something right now. Of all the people who deserve, you know, random celebrities, if you will, who deserve a street, Jerry Lawler in Memphis.

33:34Yeah, bro. Somebody just sent me a, you know how like people make these extremely realistic cakes? Oh, I saw the rest of the one yesterday. Oh, my God. Incredible. I have to contact this woman this woman is going to be contacted by every I mean she doesn't know what she did by opening up this can of worms I've never seen this person I feel like I would have definitely someone would have sent this to me before so you want what would you do for a realistic wrestling cake would it be an LJN figure yeah something like that the 90s Hasbro ring oh my god that was beautiful stunning isn't it isn't it interesting though that like this stuff now just like makes it around so quickly to everyone with the same interest every little mark thing it gets right goes right into my algorithm immediately well especially if it's our if it's if it's doing decent numbers yeah then it's going straight to you actually do you see it yet or not yet i did see it i saw yesterday we all saw it that's crazy plus all the people that sent it to me in a large group chat because they knew what it would mean to you to see such a thing what would it be for you, SGG, if you had to have one wrestling item the blue cage, come on, the blue cage

34:58that doesn't make a good cake though you can just have the cake the chocolate sticks or what if you had like well the ring would still be the cake and it would just have the cage on it No, the cage would be made of chocolate A chocolate cage The cage could be made of chocolate You need the ring cake though I'm trying to think of what for me Would be like the ultimate wrestling Thing that I would Because Is she doing titles? Titles would be huge I thought Bret Hart glasses but they're too small That's like a personal cake The money in the bag She had that in there I know Yeah, it was the Money in the Bank briefcase cake.

35:44That's the perfect size cake. Okay. Yeah. Now we're having a conversation. That's the one. Now we're having a cake where we could serve multiple people. Exactly. That's one full party right there. All right. Let's talk to you guys. 877-344-4893. We're talking KO and CM Punk. We were talking some Enzo and Cass possibilities. is uh we will start with uh dan in georgia who wants to talk punk dan what do you got yes cm punk um came from my hometown um he was from lockport township um i'm originally from wheaton illinois i live in georgia now um but the ways of the military and the marine corps and I'm out now of the Marine Corps, but CM Punk came from nothing, not being a sports person, even in high school.

36:37He was more considered as a skater type of person where Kevin Owens was more of an athlete. And with CM Punk being a champion multiple times, and he's proven to the world and to the WWE nation that he can be that type of sports person and beyond. Yes, he went through being in MMA. He wasn't very successful, but he still could be an athlete with WWE and hold that title for a long period of time. And is he better than most of them? By far, he is. He's proven to him. So he's proven to everybody that he could hold the championship. He could challenge even Randy Orton. He could challenge any of these top name WWE stars and still hold his own.

37:34And my personal opinion, will he beat Kevin Owens? Yes. Now, is it a possibility that there might be interference? that is a big possibility because sammy zane is very jealous of that title well i think thank you for the call man i it's a it's an interesting point you remind everybody about which is you know there's a lot in the store in what we have gotten from sammy uh sorry from ko and punk it's been a lot of punk being like hey basically you could be in better shape you could work harder you know Look at me. And I think it is an interesting note that Punk is not some sort of great physical athlete.

38:16He has done it through hard work. When you think about what Punk does, he's a mortal man who has pushed himself to higher heights. KO, when you think about it, though his physical body type may not impress you. He's never been completely jacked up or anything. He does the much more athletic stuff than Punk. yeah that's what that's why it was funny to me when when punk would would shame him for being like fat or whatever i'm like he's like punk said something that he was like oh i'll run can you catch me let's see if you can catch me and i was like yeah i think he can i think he can he can give you a head start i'm my money's still on ko because i've seen ko do feats of athletics that you wouldn't expect from a guy his size and it's just a reminder that aesthetics and fitness are two different things.

39:04KO does not have the aesthetics, but he will run you down. You're not going to tie him out, and he's going to be a problem if you think you're just in there with schlumpy fat guy. Agreed. He's not on Mount Schlopmoor. Go ahead, Dan. He's not. You don't think Kevin Owens is on Schlopmoor? He's not on Mount Schlopmoor, no. No, he's not. He's not one-man gang. No, come on. He's on the Mount Rush of Schlopmoor. I'm going to say something about CM Punk that you'd never expect me to say. I feel so much better about him in the shape that he's in than I did before. I'm so happy he is in the good shape that he's in because he feels like a real contender.

39:44Not that he didn't before, he's CM Punk for God's sake. Yeah, but no, no, but you're saying you don't have to suspend disbelief. He looks like he could beat these people up. Right. Just watching it, I'm like, okay, this is like main event CM Punk, not Schlutmore CM Punk. Well, that's the whole thing. The whole skinny fat thing that was brought up. Like Punk for a long time did not physically impress you. He was just great on the mic and could be a wrestler. But like that's also sort of the funny part about Punk going after KO. It is. It's like, bro, you just did this. That's what I'm going to say.

40:19If you go back just five years, like Punk was not this guy at all. Like in fact, KO is still younger than Punk was when Punk got into great shape. That's what I was going to say, though. Punk going at KO like this is funny because it's like, bro, you've been a body guy for two weeks and you're calling people fat piece of shit? What are we doing here? What are we doing? You didn't earn that. You didn't earn it. Punk has been a body guy for like two years. It's two minutes. In wrestling terms, you're right. It's two minutes. So it is funny. And listen, I don't want to take anything away from Punk either, by the way, though.

41:00Like his elbow, he flies a bit on the elbow at times. He's definitely shown us he can do some stuff with the elbow. With precision. And with precision. Sometimes the elbow's great, sometimes it's not. Let's face it. That is what you just said was factual. Sometimes the elbow is great. Sometimes the legs hit first, then it doesn't hit the way it's supposed to. Sometimes it goes full savage and lands the right way. I mean, he's not Kyrie Sane, but the man, he's got a nice elbow. Confirmed. Let's keep things going. Let's go to Brian in New York. What's up, Brian? Hey, guys. You guys are on live, so I don't know if you saw the reports that Tammy's actually legitimately hurt.

41:41I wonder if you think that changes the plans for tonight with KO and Punk, or do you think they still have KO with it and he just keeps shooting with Punk? I didn't see those reports. I'm looking it up now. Is that, like, this morning? That who's hurt? I missed the name. Tammy. Sammy, that Sammy's hurt. I don't know. He showed up last week with a cast on. You know, remember he was complaining about that, that Nick Aldis was going to force him into a match hurt. I think they acknowledged it. Yeah, I think that's already been out there. So, no, I don't think that should get in the way in terms of if he were to get involved tonight, I think he'd be fine to do that.

42:21That's my guess. I want to go. I want to go away from. Let me go to Ray. Let me go to Ray in New Jersey first who wants to talk punk for a moment because I do want to get to some Roman and L.A. Night and Solo. But let's go to Ray in New Jersey. What's up, Ray? Hey, man. What's going on, guys? First of all, Peter, dude, you are always killing it, bro. Oh, thank you, buddy. I appreciate you. He's a great guy. Love you on the pre-shows and everything, man. You're doing phenomenal. Thanks, buddy. um so if you think about it KO and Punk are both two pivotal cornerstones of Ring of Honor okay now while they came in at different times into the WWE Punk led the way for an entire generation an entire era he left he said bye-bye I'm done in comes KO what two years later something like that and has essentially become another cornerstone of wwe like punk was so in reality this is in my opinion a fantasy booking matchup that nobody ever thought realistically that they would get especially with the heat between the two back in their ring of honor days and in my opinion i think that they should not have any interference with this match they should let it just go balls to the mall and let them duke it out and see who's the better I agree Dip you want more story than that yes I can't just do mean talk duke it out I can't do that and I want to say Peter I agree that you are killing it but sometimes your feet hit the mat and sometimes you hit the elbow for the most part I'm killing it but sometimes the feet hit first and I'm not killing it um punk's last match in roh was in oh five um kevin steen's debut i couldn't find the app but it's not that's about that timeline's about right they crossed paths in roh they they had a crossover brief i mean they they shared the same locker room right because i believe punk was champion the incident that kevin always talked about happened when punk was champion and ko was a younger guy on the roster.

44:44He had maybe, I don't want to say an enhancement match, but he had an opening match or something like that, and then he mouthed off to Punk.

44:55Didn't work out so well for him at the time. You know, I appeared on a show, an ROH show that Kevin Owens was on. Kevin's scene was on the night of a big blizzard here in New York at Hammerstein. Let's see. Were you at a final battle? It was Final Battle, yes. It was his ROH days started in 07, SGG. Kevin Steen started in ROH in 07. Now, that doesn't mean he didn't show up and do anything there, I guess, but he was officially, we're talking 07. And then he was world champion from 2011 to 2013. That was a strong run, too. I can't undersell that. I heard people talking about him like he was the Stone Cold of the Indies.

45:49Oh, no. He was that dude for sure. He definitely was the Stone Cold of the Indies back then. That's strong. It's still lofty. It's aggressive, but he was the man. Jude in Ontario is going to SmackDown tonight. What do you got? Hey, Jude. Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my call. I love the show. I got it on the radio all the time. But, yeah, just wrestling fan my whole life. Actually, it's kind of funny. My dad took me when I was a kid and we saw the Islanders. And now tonight to go see the, you know, Haku with the Tonga is pretty cool. It kind of feels, yeah, it feels full circle. But can you help me?

46:28You've got to help me here. I've got an internal debate on the go. So I just watched the Punk KO promo from last week for, like, probably the third or fourth time, but I'm getting primed up here. I'm Canadian. I love KO. I don't even really like CM Punk. Right? Yeah, of course, yeah. I don't even really like Punk as a person. You know what I mean? Like, you know, Punk's like, like Kevin said, he's performative. There's something always feels a little phony about Punk to me. But I can't help but respect this guy's game and his, the matches, like, the matches he's put on since he's come back to WWE.

47:03If you go down the line, we don't have time for that, but you know, I mean, you know them. it's a banger after banger after banger. I've got a punk shirt that I've got with me. Can I wear that tonight, man? Because my heart is like, I want to see KO do it, but I just respect the hell out of punk. I don't know, man. I don't know what to do, man. I don't understand. You just said you're not a punk guy. Why would you wear a punk shirt? Because he is a punk guy. He has won me over, with his mask. I'm telling you, it's the physique. Yeah, that's true. It makes such a difference when there's no flabby midsection.

47:49The lack of flabby midsection, it changes things. Jude, thank you for the call. We're the same age, Punk and I, yeah. And we're both skinny fat. We're trying to do better. Well, listen, I've never been skinny fat. I've only been fat fat. But the. It's so true. That was Bret Hart, right? Yeah. Thank you, Bret. Thank you, Bret. That was Bret for sure. He tried. He came with an alias, but we know. Thank you, Bret. We know that Jude is Bret Hart. And, you know, it's interesting because I'm not kidding. On another screen, you know what I'm shopping for? A toilet bowl.

48:27By the way, get yourself a nice toilet. No, I'm getting myself a new toilet seat with a bidet, a warming, proper. toilet seat. Oh, yeah. Okay. Why? What were you going to say? Get what? I'm going to show you. I'm in the toilet market right now. But I'm not replacing the toilet. I'm just going to do the seat and bidet. A bidet with the heated seats in a remote? Why won't you buy a nice toilet? Dip, shut the fuck up. Do you ever shut up? Shut up. No, you don't know what you're talking. It's very hard. I live in a co-op. Replacing the entire toilet from the base is an entire operation. And frankly, what do you care about?

49:03What the pipes are as long as the seat and the whole thing it flushes properly the bowl is fine you shouldn't be flushing it should be flushing for you why are you you're a wealthy guy can't why do i but why does it matter what the whole toilet is can't i just replace the seat with a nice seat and a sg am i wrong no you're not wrong we have what are you what are you worried about the bowl what are you worried about the bowl i think you should have a nicer toilet in your house you're peter Rosenberg. It's a total toilet. You shut up with your toilet bullshit. What were you going to say? What are you looking at?

49:37I'm going to send you a link. You're replacing the whole toilet? I'm replacing multiple toilets in the home. To be a toilet that I had, my friend had a toilet that I used in the home and I said, I can't go back to any toilet. This is the toilet. And it wasn't just the seat contraption. It was the entire toilet? Yeah. The whole toilet. You take the old toilet. Goodbye. Put in your toilet. I don't think it's that easy. What are you talking about? He lives in a big, stupid house in LA. Yeah, but you got to get – when you live in a co-op in a building, you're set with certain dimensions and things and the way piping – you have limitations that make it a little more annoying than just living in a house.

50:23but don't you think if you get a beautiful like a beautiful seat like a warming beautiful Japanese contraption you're fine you want the contraption hanging off the toilet yes you haven't seen this contraption yes you do want it hanging off the toilet and you want the remote close by so you can control the temperatures and send it to your exact specifications you want that yes I guarantee you that you want it we all need a smart toilet don't we alright hold on let's talk to some more people here buy a smart toilet buy a smart toilet do yourself a favor enjoy yourself you're a smart ass by the way you are a smart ass have a smart toilet it's a great it's a great joke from SGG so do you guys I did a little I didn't even tell you guys I jumped on and did a Patreon episode this week I saw the chatter I jumped on and I watched the main event or the main segment from Raw on Patreon this week.

51:29And let me ask you a question. I'm going to give you both an opportunity to answer quickly. We don't have a ton of time. I have like a, I don't love that. The solo thing is happening right now, okay? Solo, Samoan, Spikes, Roman, Reigns. We're off. This is a different solo versus Roman. Agree? Agree. Solo's way better and more over than ever. And this is a different thing. I kind of, I'm a little concerned that we're muddying the waters with the Solo, the LA Knight, and the sort of angry wandering eyes of Fatou all at one time. I'm a little worried. It's like we're doing too much. And this should just be Solo heads up with Roman.

52:13SGG, you're not concerned. No, this is muddled water season. We know what's happening in a couple of months. War games. everybody's gonna have their grievances everybody's gonna throw some hands they're gonna meet in the ring people gonna get their bars off and then in november we're gonna put them all in a cage two rings and just mash it up together now if this will happen in like december february even april i'm with you but this is muddled water season put everybody together It's so early, SGJ. We're planning already war games. We're worried about war games. The problem is – I'm not worried about it, but I think they're planting the seeds.

52:53You could do all these stories on Raw with the bloodline. Okay. Everybody challenges Roman. People want to beat up Roman. But until somebody commits to Roman eventually losing, it's like none of this – I mean, it's really hard for any of it to – I mean, the solo thing is landing for me. I texted – we texted her. I know. We made fun of you behind your back. Go ahead. I know that. I, and by the way, I'm feeling very bullied lately, by the way. We made fun of you. We made fun of you to your face and behind your back. I, I, I takes me a while to get there with people. Finally, I'm there with solo.

53:28So go. I know. Welcome. Well, so, so somebody has got to beat the guy. Somebody has to beat Roman or be a believable opponent again. So, like none of these people are beating Roman Reigns. Who will beat Roman Reigns? That's the big question in my mind. Yes, this is fun to watch Solo become more of a star. I love the interaction between the five of them is great, and it's entertaining for sure. But I need to know who's going to eventually beat Roman Reigns. None of these people are beating him. No one. And it doesn't look like, yeah. I disagree that it could never be Solo who beats Roman. I disagree with you disagreeing.

54:15Wait, wait, with how funny, charismatic, and interesting, mixed with how brutal the Samoan spike is, you don't think that, like, I think you're not giving Solo enough credit for what the continued evolution of Solo Sokoa could be. I think Solo could beat Jacob or Jay. I don't think he could beat Roman Reigns. And you think Jacob could beat Roman Reigns? No, I don't. Do you? I do. Yeah. You think Jacob could be Roman Reigns? Yeah, I do. Okay. That's never happening. So you want to, you want to, you want to, you want to, you want to. Sure. I'll bet. You want to, but I need a timetable up by WrestleMania.

55:01No, no. By WrestleMania. This WrestleMania. By this WrestleMania. No, I don't think by this WrestleMania. Well, because I don't, because I don't think they're going to go that direction. So you think Roman has the title until Saudi mania? yes okay me too but yeah but i guess i guess i i was taking when you say never gonna beat i'm i'm i'm putting more emphasis on the fact that you're saying the words never never i think that roman you meant it casually you meant it's not gonna happen now i don't know who can beat the man now now that's what i'm talking about now talking about now i mean i look i don't do i ever see him becoming the job guy for for like multiple losses in a row and stuff like that for the duration of his career never i don't ever see him becoming even in five years from now no no i don't see him ever but dip you have to give more credit to the fact that this version of roman more so than the last version with the bloodline he feels very beatable very touchable like you think he feels I think he feels less beatable than ever.

56:07No. Less beatable than ever. That's false. He's been challenged by Jacob twice, by Seth. Who knows who the next challenge is going to be. LA Knight's coming after him. You think LA Knight's going to beat him? Just the mere fact of him going out and having these matches one-on-one and giving everybody the order, stay in the back. And they listened. But none of them win. That makes him more. They don't win, but that makes him more vulnerable. And I do think that that is the thing that gives Solo or Jacob and hell, maybe even LA Knight on the right night. Oh, get out of here. LA Knight's not beating Roman Reigns.

56:44Roman Reigns sold at BFT and he took that spike like he got shot. Okay. I feel bad because we had people on hold and I'm not going to get to them now. This is very unfortunate. Ashton, Ashton, I wanted to get to you, my guy. Just pop Ashton on for two seconds so I can say hi. Ashton, I'm sorry I didn't have time to get to you, buddy. How are you? Good. How are you? I'm good. I'm sorry we didn't have to make your point in like 20 seconds. What did you want to say? Okay, so I went out to dinner a few weeks back, and I seen Braun Strowman there, and my family, they don't like wrestling, but I love it.

57:26Okay. And we seen him there. I was like, give him a little muggy eye. Is that him for real? I was telling them, I was like, yeah, it is him. It is him. I'm telling you, it is him. I love him. I love him. I've always wanted to meet him. So I gave him a little muggy eye and he got up. He was walking towards us. We were like, no, no, we don't want to wrestle with you. I'm loving this. And what did he say? First of all, was he eating everything on the menu? Oh, yeah. He didn't have a lot of food, but he did have a little bit of food. So did he say hello to you or not, Ashton? Did he say hello? Yeah, he did.

58:09He did. Nice guy. What a guy. And he was a cool guy. Yeah, he was. All right, Ashton, well, you're our guy now. Call us next week, too, Ashton. You're always welcome here on Chief Heat Live. Call us anytime, not just next week. I wanted to get – we had Matt in Syracuse and our buddy George on Long Island who waited – I'm sorry, we had Matt in Vermont who wanted to talk toilets. There was so much to do, and we didn't get to all of you, but don't worry, we'll be back next week, maybe with a new champion. We'll find out tonight. And a new toilet. And a mailbag open. RosenbergWrestling at gmail.com.

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