Lindercore

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1:09The Zabar, the very Zack Linder. What would be like the word? I'm glad you said it because I was going to say it. Between the shirt, the glasses, and the hat, I think you got a cease and desist on your way. If you get C &D'd by Zach Linder, I'm letting you know right now, I'm on his side a thousand percent. This could not be a more Linder look. Mute. But what's the, when you say you're being like a certain style, what's the word I'm looking for? Like if Linder was an entire style of dress, what's like the word I'm looking for that you can put the word you want in front of it? and it makes it like a a thing you know the word that's jumping to mind is nebushy but i don't no no no i don't mean that yes that is cruel first of all yes you got the right the adjective is correct the descriptor is right but i mean like when you're talking about like let's say you know someone's style is very like you know 80s posh like you there's a way to turn this into a kind of dress that is Linder style.

2:25I just can't think of the word because I'm not that bright. And I've spoken a lot this week. I already did a three-hour program here yesterday. I did Busted Open yesterday, a full three hours. I'm going to say this right now. I feel very lucky to be here. I feel very valued. Thank you. Because between Nick Nemeth, Natalia, DJ Money, and Javon Evans, I felt the slide. Like, I was like, hey, if you still are welcome back next week, you know. But you were worried about getting Wally pipped. Oh, absolutely. And not to be, it happened on Friday, right? It happened twice over on Friday. I really think the standout one you'd have to worry about was DJ Money.

3:14I thought Money really was great last Friday. I agree. I agree. Thankfully, it was quick. It was probably like 20 minutes. I was like, you know what? That's easy. No, I'll tell you who doesn't. But it's not you who has to watch your back. It's the person whose back is not even. It's the person whose back and front is not here today. Yeah. It's Dip. No, but I do think, I think that there's a world in which we bring in money every once in a while to hang out in the place of Dip. Because as we know, there's a couple things going on with Dip. Number one, he's extremely busy. number two you know he's he's very he's very deep in the wrestling world these days almost so much so that it can create some complications when talking about the world of pro wrestling so we're reimagining we're reimagining the role of dipristine on the show i'll tell you one thing that's not happening though dipristine is in no way leaving the show he was he is staying on the show 1000%.

4:13But I think that it would be cool to find another voice that we can lean to, to go to certain things. And I really enjoyed money. Like if you didn't hear last week's show, go back and check it out. But like, he was really good at bouncing, you know, provocative questions at me, super knowledgeable, the product. The biggest disappointment in us not having dipperstein on the show this week yeah is that dipperstein traveled business class to europe and if you've listened to our show for a while you know dip has not been a man who cares about how he travels and sgg and i've been trying to tell him the amount that you travel at this point you're gonna have to start finding a way because this is you're living like a savage out here you You're a wild animal.

5:02And you're better than this. Yeah, it's beneath you. So he had lots of thoughts. Frankly, he didn't give us like the, oh, I love it or I don't love it. It's a ripoff. So we don't even know where he's going to go. But we know he has thoughts. And then when he was in London, Dipperstein jumped on the train. What? Solo. I think it was train. Maybe he flew. I think it was trained and went to Paris what and spent time gallivanting in Paris I didn't even know this part so there so whenever we get dip I don't think it'll be next hour I think it'll be next week unfortunately but when we get dip we are going to spend some time also I realize SGG next Friday is September 11th 25th anniversary of September 11th yes so I think we're gonna have to spend a few minutes on that obviously you were in New York on September 11th I was you weren't upstate you were there yeah you were you were I have I have a I have the craziest September 11th story oh we can save it for next week and it's your birthday and it's my birthday yeah and I'll save the rest of the story for next week but it's a wild intertwining turn of events that took me from New York City to D.C.

6:34which also was attacked on September 11th. That's correct. I'm trying to figure out why that was the move you made. I'll bring it all together next week but it's Oh by the way I think I figured out the word I wanted to say for dressing like this. Could it be called Lindercore? okay linda core i like that or zach core when you're wearing the couture yeah linda couture linda couture the zay the zaybars hat is what set it off by the way the mets and knicks colored zaybar hat yeah because when it was to the back i was like all right you know you know this rosemar's rocking a hat and then you sat down and turned to the front i was just like but here's the thing here's the thing though the truth of the matter is these hats rarely like fit good on my head i actually like how this fits on my head and and also i am the prince of the upper west side so rocking the zabar hat is only it's only right you know this i'm down for arugula who's who's the king if you're the prince of the upper west side

7:37because it sounds like you deferred to someone that's it's a great point it just felt like a bold there are a lot of legends on the upper west side i mean okay listen john lennon lived on the Upper West Side. Seinfeld, I think, was on the Upper West Side. Literally, the show was on the Upper West Side. Yeah, that's true. I don't know if Larry ever lived on the Upper West Side. I feel like he might have, but I have no idea. I think Howard Stern lived on the Upper West Side. Sort of lower. I think he was in the low 60s by Central Park. That's still... Right there. Also, Prince makes me younger. And these days, SGG, since I turned 47, I'm fighting for every year I can catch here.

8:23So Prince doesn't necessarily make you younger, though. Prince Charles was a Prince. I don't like you. You didn't have to go. I'm just saying. You didn't have to go to Prince Charles. You did not. You know what? We can move on. We can move on. What about Finn Balor? Okay. Now we're talking. Now we're talking. Now, SGG, you were away. or have you been able to keep up with with everything in in pro wrestling over the last week plus i have and i have to say royce keys otm didn't see that coming but boy do i like i like that that combination i like those pieces um being fit together it it seems like it came out of nowhere but Royce Keys if we remember after his debut he went on Stephanie McMahon's podcast there were some vignettes he had some promos with Jacob and there was a lot of talk about him being from the streets and trying not to go back to that place that's right and and I never connected to dots that on NXT there were also some street guys that they seem very comfortable actually in that place and then when you have that oakland connection that bay area connection that not just with um jacob fatu but with one of the members of otm and it just never occurred to me that this is a pairing that makes sense and they've been making it make sense subtly behind the scenes for a while now so it feels like it came out of nowhere but i i questioned whether it actually did well here's the thing you know that um bronco nima is legit from the bay yes so you have that i'm trying to figure out lucian price is of nigerian descent he does not have a wikipedia page i'm trying to find out oh let's see birth oh whoa whoa whoa birthplace is Maryland okay it looks like Beltsville Maryland okay wow so but at least you know that Bronco is from the the yay area yeah so the the the I mean literally birthplace Oakland resides Oakland so man it's so funny too because I was having a conversation with uh uh with royce recently and i was like we were just kind of shooting this stuff about you know what's been going on he is a very he cares a great deal about his work um you know uh in in fact i i don't i don't think i'm speaking out of school to say this he is one of the few new talents i that i have gotten to know if it may be the only if i'm being honest who has reached out to me to be like hey what did you think of this did you think this was dope what could be better here what could be better there what are you seeing like that's a literally set up a phone call with me and i didn't know what it was about this is pre mania i believe pre mania or something i don't remember what it was a few months ago and and just was like maybe no maybe it's pre-summer slam and and i thought i didn't know what he wanted to talk about and it was really just to talk about how his work has been and you know as as as he put it me being like a knowledgeable fan who sees everything like what am i getting and and what what from the prison obviously he's not asking me calm down before the haters out there go oh rosenberg thinks he's advising people on what to do in the ring no he wasn't asking me about you know how to do a hammerlock okay it was it was just the presentation am i enjoying the presentation and and what am i seeing that made me immediately sgg the level of respect just that you're doing the work and obviously i know if you're asking me i'm not the only one you're asking so that means like you are really trying week to week to get better and better and understand the fans and right and understand how's it coming across on tv because that's that's different he has he has that support system with the in-ring work and like the presentation the package but like the end goal is the connection with the fans so like he can't go out after the shows and ask everybody that's waiting at the hotel but he gotta find he gotta figure out if he's actually connecting with the fans no it it really really impressed me um he's such a great dude and um we were chatting literally days before this all happened and i was like yo bro be crazy if like if you had like a new nation of domination well thanks because he now he does and now he does bro now now you have these three dudes whooping everybody all from the bay which by the way i i realize now as i'm saying it there may be some people who in fact i would say a lot of our audience who may not understand exactly what i'm down here like the black panther movement like so much about like black power in america is rooted in the bay in oakland culture so so the fact that they are from the bay it really is giving to me like nation of domination vibes and it's like an sgg i mean i saw sam talking about like a giving nexus vibes obviously um you know in terms of how brutal the attacks were right at first this week man the uso beat down let me ask you a question do you think that the blood the immediate blood to jay was a shoot something from the like the windshield breaking because like it seemed like the second he got out of the car he was already bloody and i was like i wondered i wondered if glass like hit him somewhere and just created a little cut and they just went to town that's a good question i don't know i don't know what i will say though is i like i like the censorship i liked it because you're a big censorship guy not not even that but just like it felt like to the signal that i took from that was like oh they went too far not that they went out of line or that they went off script or whatever the case may be but just like this level of violence is too much.

14:50Because even just two weeks before that, right, they showed Royce Keys in the ring. Jacob Fatu wrapped the chair around his neck and they showed him bloody. They had no problem with that. It was an attack. It was a vicious attack, yes. But for some reason, that was in the bounds. And then now these guys, what they've done this past Monday has somehow gone so far out of bounds that we can't even show you like that to me is the way to sell a threat that like we're not we're not gonna black and white the screen we're not we're just gonna you cannot see these people's faces because that's the state they've been left in and and and and really that is what happened i mean i netflix was not it was too much for netflix they were like you know we have audience and listen i don't know that this is their logic this part is me guessing what their logic is.

15:38But remember, SGG, they're not just showing that in the United States. They got a ton of different markets internationally, a ton of different cultures, a ton of different laws, a ton of different things you have to think about. And so it was legit edited. And I thought the result ended up being awesome. I know there were people who made jokes about it and lots of different conversations are always will be in the wrestling world on the internet. But to me, I agree. I thought it hit that much harder. SGG, what shirt are you wearing today? stone cold steve austin versus kevin owens oh the ko yeah ko mania stone cold steve austin great match better than it had any right to be i think now here's the question that people want to know was the shirt that tight when you bought it or did it have a little bit of room when you got it and now it's a little bit on the snug side i think it might have been this snug when i bought it they don't let you try these things on you just got to pick a size and run with it are you Or are you pulling the fat move that I know very well of?

16:42I refuse to go to a different size on principle. So I'm going to assume and I'm going to tell myself that while it's a little snug now, it's going to fit better one day. No, no. It fits. It fits well right now, though. Hold on. Let me stand up. Hold on. He's backing up. He's backing up. All right. You know what? No. You know what? That's fine. it doesn't fit crazy look at the you know the waistline looks trim no there's no there's no bulging gut yeah no no it looks it looks worse when i'm sitting down than it does standing up but yeah standing up it's got it's standing up but hold on but let's not pretend like you haven't done the move i just talked about before with other shirts you go oh but those shirts i don't even wear anymore they're in the cloud they're gonna come back one day they are gonna come back what is it an anniversary perhaps maybe i don't i don't know when that day is no but you know what But maybe when baby guy Greg or baby girl Greg, BGG comes around, maybe you're going to be like, yo, man, I got to stick around for the next generation.

17:46And then SGG hits that gym. What about an SGG and dip workout competition across the country? that that's a good idea for entertainment value a horrible idea for us actually hitting any health goals i think because i don't know i think it's going to devolve into like shit talk and banter and we might not actually get anything done kelly who would you have more faith in in a in a contest for trying to lose weight and get in shape between uh or not what dips isn't lose weight dip just needs to gain muscle get in shape but but who would you favor in a get in shape contest between sgg and dip me of course it's gotta be sgg i think i think dips too hard-headed and set in his ways that he's not he's not going to the gym to tone up wow when you you know when kelly doubts you it's like you know when you lose kelly murphy you lose america that's the thing like i have so much faith in people that I got my Twitter hacked this week.

18:52Like, so once I doubt it, it's over. Wait, wait. Yeah, Peter. Yeah. What were you messaged here? And what did you say? They tug on the heartstrings. A former host of mine in the past, I became friends with one of his other producers over at ESPN. So obviously in the broadcasting industry, I got a DM asking for me to vote for him. him on oh not the fire truck i got a dm from him asking for me to vote for him on his podcast you know i've seen so many of those vote for me's tons so i first i ignored it because i was like you know what i'm not in the mood then i got a follow-up saying you know you didn't vote yet totally fine if you if you're not going to but it means a lot to me the hacker got creative then i felt bad tried to vote twitter hacked not a good week for me well listen i uh miss hatton miss hatton sees your hacking no and rate well that was years ago you do you remember what happened though no yo miss hatton got this is big nft days and she got some sort of message and clicked some link yo she got robbed of like a twenty thousand dollar nft oh my god this was like when the art because you know she's in she's into art she's into digital stuff so she was excited about some of the nft stuff she had a couple of things and they you have a wallet and they can just bam bam crack your wallet and take shit from you and there's nothing you can do guys do not click links okay who at this stage is sending you any text telling you to click a link like i got one the other day i got hit on my whatsapp and my i message amazon all amazon at the same time all i thought was let me go in and change my amazon password um so it just be careful you don't want to get kelly murphy out here people now what happened did you lose your account or anything are you okay kelly oh it's gone it's it's so the account's still there but it's sending dms to people to now vote for me oh now you're spreading the virus and and they're tweeting out podcast you're essentially telling people we're now spreading the virus and they tweeted out that i just purchased my dream car a new dodge ram with the help of my cryptocurrency advisor so they're trying to get people into crypto it's not good and if you see my twitter don't report it okay report the account um that is what you need to look out for folks if kelly murphy if you think kelly murphy slid in your dms she didn't okay don't get your hopes up she doesn't want anything to do with you um all right we want to talk to you the people 877-344-4893 we're starting off today talking again about this otm uh royce keys thing and i want to ask sgg where he thinks we go and do you think this leads to royce keys mike in his hand leader of a new faction is the beef ultimately with roman reigns is this just going is a big way of us getting towards royce keys and jacob fought too where do you see it going with royce keys and otm the beef i don't think is ultimately with roman reigns but i think roman is going to get pulled in there's no way that roman avoids this right like he can't you can't ignore this those are his captains yeah he can't exactly those are his captains and i'm sorry jacobs in over his head just from a mathematical perspective right yeah we saw him dominate royce keys but that was a different royce keys and that was a royce keys that was by himself this royce keys is willing do some things that are like not exactly evil, but it's like not too many notches away from that, right?

22:54Also, who was the getaway driver? Do we even know how deep like Royce Keys' alliances and allegiances go? Like Roman's going to have to get involved. This is not just going to be a thing where he can focus on LA Knight, focus on Solo, make people fall in line. Roman's involved. And where I think this goes is a War Games match. And we might see on the main roster for the first time three different War Games teams. I know they did that in NXT. We might see it on the main. And Royce Key is going to be on one of those teams because I find it very hard to believe that we're going to get a new faction this close to Survivor Series that's going to be portrayed as this dominant.

23:40And I do believe they can maintain this dominance for the next couple of months. and they have no involvement in Survivor Series. That doesn't have Survivor Series implications. This has to play out in Survivor Series in some way and Roman has to be involved. There's no way he can avoid it. But you think it starts with Jacob and it ends up being too much for Jacob? Yeah, I do. And as much as Jacob thinks he can handle it, I don't think he can handle it. do we do you think Royce Keys will pin Jacob Fatu 1-2-3 at some point yeah I think he has to I think he has to also because they had that one on one Jacob didn't dog walk him but he did put him down violently violently and awoken something within Royce Keys having that beast awakened you can't just put him down again end there's no point especially when this is supposed to be a leader of two of now the most vicious men on the roster immediately he can't just go down again not a regular one two three again not like that now i want to get some time to go to the other side of things on on smackdown um we'll get to the title picture there but let's let's also do a little bit of uh of cody randy which is getting pretty personal as well.

25:12Let's play you a little bit of what happened last Friday between Cody Rhodes and Randy Orton. What's that dog's name? Yours, Pharaoh. Used to bring him in the back. He'd be backstage. Everybody would be so excited. Such a fluffy, cool dog. Did that dog die? Is that dog dead? Did your daughters have to bury that dog deep in your backyard? In Atlanta! What do you know? Sunday night's main event is in your backyard. Speaking of your backyard, you're going to have friends and family there. They're going to see me kick you in said face again, just like I did at WrestleMania. You know, come to think of it, are you going to make sure your trailer park trash mother is going to be sitting front row when I beat your ass?

26:01What about that trashy ass wife of yours? Is she going to be there? I am counting the days until Atlanta. I am counting the days into Sunday night's main event. When we find out if you really are this once in a lifetime generational superstar like my dad was. Or are you a first class screw up like yours was? You're chuckling, SGG. What are you chuckling about? No, because when I watched it, Randy Orton, after Cody said that, which was a light tap. You'll screw up like your father. That was a light tap. Randy goes, oh, that was too far. Did you not hear what you said about his dog and his daughters and his wife?

26:48Like, you just took one shot at the dad and it was, oh, he crossed the line. So bad. How did he? Yeah, I think the daughters, the dog and the wife, that was all pretty bad. Yeah. I think if he went too far, he just met you at that line, Randy. Come on. What are we doing here? So what do you think is the result of this? Is this just going to be Sunday night's main event? Cody Rhodes, after being punted by Randy, after being disrespected by Randy, you think this is as simple as a one-on-one matchup and Cody just beats Randy?

27:28in my heart my heart and my mind are split on this right in my heart i want to see a twist i want to see cody goes maybe cody has a little royce key that he takes things a little bit too far and then he's on the bad side he he gets that taste of blood he likes it and we get a heel cody and then that is the driver on smackdown but you don't think you don't think so but you don't think That's my heart. In my mind, I know we're going to get white me baby face. Cody, he's going to pump it up. He's going to Hulk up even. Yeah, yeah. He's going to Hulk up. He's going to hit a bionic elbow or two. He's going to go full baby face and he's going to leave out his Dusty's kid.

28:08We all love him. We're going to clap. We're going to throw roses at his feet. That's what we're going to get. That's not what I necessarily want to see. I trust them to execute it no matter which way they go. But my heart wants to see Cody meet violence with violence. Right. Meet hate with hate. No, Michelle Obama, they go low. No, no. When they go low, you take them to hell and you show like, you know what I mean? He's the American nightmare. And we haven't seen much nightmares from the nightmare. Can we get a nightmare? Can we get some of that violence? Can you live up to your name? Because so far you have been Dusty's kid and we loved it.

28:53And you've proven that you can be the bestest baby face they have. But I think people are ready for him to just be like, F the world. I'm Cody Rhodes. And this is just how it has to be. All my enemies got to go down. And I'm coming back for that title. But here's the thing. Randy has now gone so dark that Cody can't really turn heel in the match. He could go to a level so crazy that it changes him, and then he starts to be bad. But I don't think in Atlanta, with Randy talking about all the things he's talking about, it can't be considered a heel turn. you know unless he punches the ref square in the face you know what i mean and even that it could be like my emotions got the best of me like i don't think he could turn in this match even if people wanted him to on account of the setup how we got here that's true but i mean listen cody is the man with the mic in his hand like he can he can say anything he can sell anything you give him a mic so it's like let him destroy randy pick up a mic and then remind the people like when he would attack me you would cheer for him now what do you got to say about that there's your guy that you chose him over me there he is just give him give him a couple of words to sell that this is in fact a change like don't just let him like you said be violent do what he has to do and then come out the next week for the rah-rah um cody rhodes i did the right thing speech you got to let him know like you know yeah f the fans a little bit like i don't care about you i don't need you we need him to have that be the exclamation point we also have little yachty trying to last five minutes on sunday night's main event with baron corbin uh do you think yes i do i absolutely do two reasons right one i think because we haven't seen little yachty Baron Corbin's underestimating him.

31:04And that has led to the downfall of many, many a man in the wrestling ring. We've seen it before. Seen it before and we're going to see it again on Sunday. But also just from like a Scooby-Doo, I'm picking up the clues, logical perspective. Also, the title didn't get the haircut. So that means it's going back to the person that redesigned it. Just just like that's just a fact, right? Like I think about the spinner title, right? the spinner WWE title John Cena got it the first time we saw like oh this is cool and then the next person won it the spin stayed and it went back to John Cena and then somebody else got it and it went back to Johnson and before you knew it that was just the title design because we all knew that at some point it was going back to John Cena so until that title gets a haircut as Baron Corbin said, I'm always going to be looking for the moment it goes back to trick.

32:00It's a pretty decent point by you, SGG. Listen, we still need to get some time to talk Braun Breaker and Obafemi. We're going to do that as well. There's also a six-woman tag match. There's a lot of stuff happening. We will talk to you guys at 877-344-4893. Plus, get to the mailbag, RosenbergWrestling at gmail.com. It is Cheap Heat Live on a Friday on WWE Radio. Hey, dudes. Hulk Hogan's running wild on the WCW, and I want to tell you about it right now. Call the Hulk Hogan Hotline, 1-900-737-HULK. It's got eight incredible options, like Beat the Hulk, Hulk Trivia, and one of my great Hulk messages.

32:40There's always something new on the Hulk Hogan Hotline. Call now, 1-900-737-HULK. Call costs$1.49 per minute. Kids get parents' permission. Charts will appear on a parent's phone bill. Now, a special delivery. The mail is in. The takes are hot and somebody's about to catch some cheap heat. Your questions, your comments, your wrestling beat, all answered right here. It's time to dive in to the cheap heat mailbag. mailbag you've got mail ah finally the mailbag is back now i do have one bit of bad news i and all this moving and stuff i i thought i had the mailbag drop of dip on my hard drive i have on me but i can't find it sgg i'm but you know search functions on computers just suck i feel like it probably yeah but like i just can't find it so we're gonna find it don't you worry but for now let's get to it if you want to hear your messages send them rosenbergwrestling at gmail.com and this one comes from sean who is a patreon subscriber yes we do have a patreon we love our patrons very very much and he writes us hey sweet pete dip and sgg been a listener since day one ish i was listening to your conversation with shoemaker um regarding shoes book and hogan's legacy specifically you guys brought up hogan's last moment on wwe tv getting booed out of the building at the netflix premiere you identified why he was booed a lot of which was his mega connections and the fact that they were in los angeles understandable however what i never hear brought up when explaining the reaction is the fact that just four years earlier hogan was booed loudly at wrestlemania 37 which was in maga country florida and not just florida but hogan's hometown of tampa it needs to be pointed out that hogan would have been booed just about anywhere the maga stuff certainly didn't help but fans were also not pleased with him because of his racist remarks constant lying and doing the same old shtick every time he appeared which by 2025 expanded to include shilling for his beer company by the time he appeared at Mania 37 he had burned all goodwill with much of the audience his impact and contributions to pro wrestling are undeniable but let's face it he tarnished his legacy and that will never change the booze were deserved anyway keep up the good work on WWE radio stay mage and take it easy man great great email from Sean because a lot of people really forget about Mania 37 I forgot about that i did also they had poor titus out there with him too they did i remember that titus and alexa bliss alexa bliss got stuck near the wrath of boo they tried to have bliss out there near the wrath of booze at one moment yeah so that's a good email it's it's a good it's a very good message uh we appreciate that um shoemaker's book is awesome he he does this like perfect threading of like it's hard to explain why it's how it was so brilliant and this is what makes like the haters i've seen their actual shoemaker book haters like there's a little cottage industry of like internet uh you know podcasters and different people who do wrestling content who believe the book was done by ai and they hate shoemaker it's in it's insane um the AI would not be capable of threading the needle that shoemaker threads.

36:27It's actually one of the perfect examples of how AI can't do the job. I think, I think what the problem is people don't understand SGG, how to talk about AI. Like, like people use AI for things like editing. Right. And I have an ash shoemaker this, but I wonder whether AI was used for editing, which could have accounted for a couple of, there are like two or three weird errors date wise that don't make sense. So is there a world in which Simon and Schuster or whoever, whichever your publisher is, says, hey, we don't have an editor that we feel like really knows your topic that well. We're going to have it edited by AI.

37:07And that ends up botching something for sure. I'm sure that's happening everywhere. Guys, I have an update whether we like it or not. And I don't like it. AI is getting used constantly everywhere. So levying that is this huge thing. It just makes you seem stupid because just to act as if AI was used to come up with the actual writing of the book and the chapters. You know how human the book is? The book is a human thing. That's what makes it so great, S.U.G. And have you read anything Shoemaker's written? First of all, he's the dead wrestler guy. And this is the dead wrestler he's been waiting for, right?

37:49Let's be honest here. There's a couple more on the list, but this is one of the infinity stones for the dead wrestler guy to write about, number one. Number two, have you read anything else he writes? This is his style completely. It flows exactly. Are some of the facts a little bit off? Maybe. Sure. But this was not the factual, encyclopedic Hogan story. This was the shoemaker story of Hulk Hogan. Right. It's a mix of the lore and his editorial observations on how complex Hogan is to deal with for wrestling fans. And that's what he did so well. he simultaneously made you appreciate how big some moments were while also shining a light on the flaws of the man you know i mean listen and there is a bigger book to be written at some point on for sure this is a small book i think hogan is one of the all-time examples of just flawed characters and i brought this up in my interview with shoemaker and it's full circle today because i was ranting about kanye earlier and every time i open my twitter page it's another seemingly respectable person talking about i might have to fly to chicago tomorrow yo kanye put out a song called heil like a year plus ago was it was it it was less than two years i'm not i'm less It was less than two years.

39:29And here, the thing about it that irks me is not that people don't deserve forgiveness. He put out a statement. It was kind of a mush mouth. Like I am not some lip service apology guy. Like I, I clowned the, the anti defamation league. Remember when Nick Cannon did some anti-Semitic shit and then they basically made the guy like go to Hebrew school? I was like, all right, man, this is. No, I'm not for it. I'm not for it. I'm not like you don't have to get bullied into apologizing if you didn't do anything wrong. OK, they wanted Kyrie Irving to like bend the knee in and do all kinds of classes.

40:21that's because he had he had pushed a book that was like or a dvd that had some jew hate in it i am not a fan of the bend the knee forced apology i'm a bigger fan of grabbing a mic and saying sorry i was an asshole i was i was i was really out of my mind like in the in the case of kanye I'm not well I struggled deeply with serious like psychological problems and I was in a long-term episode and the the sadly it turned into a lot of nasty anti-semitism because I have so many different Jewish people in my life many of which are close friends and people I love but some of which things went bad and anyways I just did horrible things I'll never forgive myself fully but i hope you can have some grace for me we didn't get anything like that there was like a little note and now i'm back at stadiums and you idiots who go cheer kanye right now without any sort of anything like and by the way i know that there are jewish people included in that it's not this isn't just non-jews doing it it's all i don't care like we have no guys this isn't push this wasn't he retweeted a dvd with some anti-semitic tropes he wrote and produced a song called holly fuck kanye for life and by the way i'll forgive him and i'll even play a song of his and enjoy it but until i get like a legitimate serious conversation my family died because of that dude you made a song cheering and y 'all just y 'all just because you have pairs of Yeezys and you like his music.

42:16You got to go put money in his billionaire ass pocket. Y 'all are clowns. You people are clowns. Yeah, I don't like his music that much. Like, listen, giving him three cents from the stream in your car. Okay. But what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you people? Like, and the crazy thing is we have other people you don't want to forgive ever. There are other people you will not let get up for anything. They can apologize. They can do jail time. They can do all the things. They can. I feel that, you know, the jail time is the big one, right? Because it's like you traded in your apology for years off of your life.

42:56So if you come out and you're just like, I'm not going to apologize. Yeah. You also like, okay, I get it. There's a bitterness that comes with having to sit in a box. You went and sat down for five years. And then some people do both. Like there are some people like, you know, right. Who did really bad things, apologize and did jail time and humbly then move. And yet their name gets mentioned and all people want to do is shout them down and make fun of them. But because because you're such a man fan for his music, you don't hold him to any standard, bro. I Hulk Hogan died. Okay. and I am still sitting here every time I talk about him parsing out the good and the bad all right and there aren't many people who could say hold my beer to Hulk Hogan in terms of offensive statements but I will say one thing Hulk Hogan came up one not short of writing a song and releasing it okay he's right that was the only thing he didn't do was you know what this is a damn good idea i'm gonna put pen to paper on this i'm gonna drop this for the people so i just the the the responsible thing for us to do as fans is say hey this person's art was x y or z cool here are the things i like but i can't just go blindly throwing money to the hulk hogan legacy that that's because that's the thing everyone's like separate the art from the music I'm like guys you paid$250 for the concert last night$350$500 he's a billionaire you're shoveling money in his pocket you can't that's not stuff listening to the art playing the record in your house we can have a conversation about separating the art but not when you're just saying I'm gonna show up to the man's house and hand him cash yeah yeah not at all and and just to bring this back to Hulk Hogan and more in defense of Shoemaker also lore is a good word that's a great word to use.

45:03Because when you think of it that way and that Shoemaker is more delving into the lore, it doesn't matter where Hulk Hogan was on whatever date in 1993. It doesn't matter where he dropped the title to whoever. It's just like, I get that we're fighting a greater cause with this AI thing and we're trying to stave off the robots. We don't want to be characters in the next Terminator movie, the eventual Terminator documentary. Right. Exactly. But this is not, this is not the battlegrounds for that no in fact hulk hogan's whole life that's part of what's amazing about the book is so many of the things that he writes about are unclear where the truth is i mean he he talks about the level of liar that hogan was in a business of of lying especially back then hogan was the master of it he took it to a different an absolutely different level so that's kind of part of the whole thing that's the irony you're right sgg of getting so upset about facts nothing about hulk hogan relates to facts does not matter that's that's not that's not part of the that's not part of the thing um here's an email from a reed who reaches us in the mailbag at rosenberg wrestling at gmail.com he says hear me out royce keys and the boys keep running rough shot on the bloodline and everyone else he comes out and says he's reforming the nation of domination yo that's crazy because he sent this i think before he heard what i had to say Royal Rumble they cost Roman the title and there are hints teasing to someone else pulling the strings on the new Nation of Domination when the new Nation of Domination cost Roman the title at the end it comes out the Rock was behind the new formation and the new Nation of Domination when they have three or four months to build Roman and Rock at WrestleMania thoughts hey i mean listen i like it you tell me the you tell me the rock brought in royce keys and otm bruh and it's the new nation and it's being led by the rock and then it eventually leads you have you know Roman loses the title to whoever he loses it to at the hands of Royce and OTM whether it's Royce or someone else because remember Rock and Roman would never need a title and it shouldn't have a title it's Ula Fala it's not it's not tight yeah so I would want the title frankly away from a Rock Roman thing you know that is a thing that keeps coming up as we sit here in early September knowing that WrestleMania is what, six months out exactly, SGG?

47:47October, November, December, January, February, March, April. Seven plus months away. Sorry. I keep hearing Rock getting thrown around. People don't seem ready to let go of the idea. And Rock hasn't put it to bed either. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the part right there. It's like we have held on. Like before he showed up at 40, we had this idea of like, oh, you know, he's coming this year. This year is going to be the year. And then he didn't show up and it was like, damn, Stone Cold came back before The Rock. The Rock has to be. He never did. And at 40, I think he hit the reset button on that idea of like, I could show up by doing that tag team match.

48:29Because now it's the same thing where it's like every year we're like, is this the year The Rock factors in? And how's he going to factor in this year? And we should let it go, but he did a damn good job of hitting that reset button and making it feel like he's one good story away from popping up on us. Also, he's at a pivotal stage age-wise. Man, I've been so on thinking about age since I turned 47. I just like spending so much. I hate it, but I spend so much time thinking about age. 54. Rock is 54. this is the window of he can still be a badass post 60 even in great shape I'm not saying you couldn't have a match post 60 right Vince Vince certainly did things post 60 there you know flare flowers 58 against Michaels I believe so I'm not saying you can't do it but to be the rock kind of character you know oh by the way speaking of birthdays it's Beyonce's birthday today guys it's B day Beyonce if you're listening to WWE radio I love you big fan happy birthday but when you really you know when you really break it down like the window for the rock to be a badass is is now 54 55 56 this is this is kinda it does start to change and even in terms of how hard it would be on your body and i'm sure it'd be hard on his body now but man if we're gonna get it imagine there's saudis there'd be a big bag there you'd think and and you know with with with rock's relationship with nikon and tko and being a board member and how important the business of the saudi thing is what would make it like you want to make people make the trip across the world the rock and roman yeah smelling what the rock's cooking is a is a good reason to to make that trip and roman is the perfect opponent because you know the age thing is real father time gets us all and the way roman paces these matches and lays it out he gives everybody like a customized five-star experience and i think he's the perfect opponent for the rock because that roman reigns main event style of match that's like slow but action-packed oh be beautiful perfect for the rock um hey send your emails we'll get to him next week rosenbergwrestling at gmail.com dip will be back the mailbag will be back we'll be back we'll break down sunday night's main event and so much more enjoy smackdown enjoy sunday night's main event we'll catch you guys next week right here on cheap heat live happy labor day stay mage and enjoy yourself