Oba Femi Putting His Title Shot on Hold Makes Perfect Sense

0:00Yeah, folks, I'm proud of this flag, and I'm proud of all the people, people from my family, people from your family, that gave down their lives, that sacrificed to keep this flag flying free, to keep this country brave. That's why when Hacksaw Jim Duggan has a chance to raise all glory over my head, you better believe I'll stop down there 110 % with my heart pumping and my lungs pumping. I'll have only one thing in mind. That's to beat my opponent up and to raise the flag high. And folks, you know me, if things get a little bit out of hand, well Hacksaw Jim Duggan is not too shy about grabbing my 2x4 and the stars and stripes.

0:42Tough guy?

0:50Ladies and gentlemen, happy July 4th holiday weekend. It's the world's number one. Cheap heat, we're back, baby. We are back here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. And happy to report we'll be back on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 for at least the next year. We're going to hang out here and do things with you people. It's going to be a year like you wouldn't believe. Oh, and Dip speaking, which I have something exciting to tell you shortly about something we're doing. Oh, and you heard me say it. That's because he's here, ladies and gentlemen. 38 at 35? 39 at 35. Dipperstein is here. Hey, Dip. Is that the first time you've said that?

1:28I mean, my God, man. I think it's second. I think it's second. Okay. Yeah, 39 at 35. SGG and I had this conversation. We're like moments from being close to the same age for a moment. it's true it won't last long it won't last long i'm i'm i'm finally older than you than when we met much i mean oh yeah yeah no you're you're now much older than when we met i think right we we met around you were 20 well 2014 is that what yeah how old were you in 2014 2014 dip was uh 12 years ago which would make me a scrappy 34 year old when we met right so yeah you've way surpassed how old we were when we met how old i was when we met yeah yeah and for a little bit we'll be close to the same age and then and then we will not be the same age anymore then you'll be 50 then i'll be 50 and you'll be early 40s and it'll be a problem it's gonna be tough i am not ready for that part hello little girl how are you i hope everyone's having a wonderful fourth sgg is going to be joining us supposedly he's having internet problems i don't understand it it's a holiday for god's sake but sgg you found a way onto your computer so playing the role of dip today it's sgg folks no i did not find a way onto my computer i found a way up to crystal's computer so it's that's insane we won't get into boring what's more boring the only thing more boring than telling people about your dream is telling people about your technology problems but i we're happy that you're here happy happy july 4th weekend i you're in philadelphia you moved to philadelphia because that's how passionate you are about america 250 that's right that's right listen at the time that was my weight and i so i said you know what if there's anywhere to be for 250 on 250 well listen listen i have good news you might be in the perfect situation for america 300

3:34listen i'm on my way i'm on my way now the challenging part sgg is doing that when you're pushing 90 you that that's tough i know another 50 years i was thinking about i was like you know what this this is not feeling like enough of a celebration i kind of envy the people who were here for uh the what was it yeah the bicentennial and then now they get they get 250 like i don't i don't know if i why it's that and and and we're really getting the dud one because the bicentennial by all accounts i'm a dip i'm sure your parents have uh stories from philadelphia um you know at the bicentennial oh i'm sure it was some generations of us have been discussing the bicentennial i don't know what the hell you're talking about the bicentennial was a thing 1976 was a thing and my parents my parents may have been living in philly at the time in my parents were not my parents were in high school in 1976 your parents were in high school literally high school so they definitely was at a sock hop they were 16 yeah so there could have been a sock hop like as you said a celebratory bicentennial sock hop there's sock the sock hops were the the 50s after after the 50s i don't know how the hell was it there there might have been a couple sock hops that creeped into the 60s, but the sock hop was a 50s thing.

4:52You know, the sock hops were definitively a 50s thing. No one was sock hopping in the 70s. I agree 100%. It's amazing if you don't know that. You're ever in the car with your grandparents and they play like, I remember just several times throughout my life being in the car with my grandparents who were playing music from the 50s. And that was it. I mean, I mean, it's like real like, you know, Frankie Valli and all that stuff. It's like that is like. That was the pop music. It's just an unfathomable thing. They was they were so they were so they were so they were so. Laura, so cops had left them every Saturday night.

5:32They were so copping and so sock hopping. No, I actually I did have that thought recently. I was enjoying some of the Natalie and I have started to enjoy on some of our drives from Long Island to the city. Some of the great Sirius XM channels. like the 50s channel. Like we enjoy turning the 50s channel on. Yeah, once in a while, I'll go through everything and like just see what's new. But the 50s channel is one of those ones where like, if you enjoy that kind of music, which I do, you'll get hit with like a bunch of stuff you know. Like there are a lot of hammers from that era. Things are hip hop songs from the, things are being sampled from that 50s channel.

6:13It's like crazy when you hear, you would know better than me. people are being sampled from the 50s channel you think people are totally from the 50s channel there's like sampling there's like samples from the 50s channel i've heard them you've heard samples from the 50s channel yes i don't know i believe you i believe you're more in tune to what's actually happening in hip-hop today than i am so but but let me just what i was going to say though is that's not i i had the thought well and when it comes to repuggery you are although i mean all i know is all i know is coming out of break one of our great producers whoever's on the sound today we need to hear spend that shit we gotta we have to spend that shit dude dip are you spending shit i'm spending shit all over the place

7:00wait no but i was gonna say that that channel you go you you had that thought of i can't believe this was the the pop music of the time i hear it and go it's amazing that in that era in my opinion in the 50s given what the technology was when you hear the crispness of some of the songs and like what they can't i'm kind of blown away that the songs are so advanced right these songs are actually really good and they didn't have they're pretty they're relatively new in the putting out music thing and then when maya is 15 what is she going to think about the hip-hop that i was listening to in 1994 flex 2k will be literally like classic classic vinyl yes flex 2k will be so out there i mean whatever hip-hop nation will be yeah you know i know a few of these rock the bells it shocks me what's rock the bell is old now like the songs that you hear on rock the bells i'm like oh no some songs that are not that old you mean on rock the bells yeah like i remember when this i know you're like rock the bells supposed to be oldies why are you playing something when i was in the club yeah by the way flex 2k is the craziest station of them all why is that because i mean things flow from hip-hop we've done this bit they flow from like shade but it's not a bit this is your life shade and a little bit to hip-hop from hip-hop nation from hip-hop nation to flex 2k from flex 2k to rock the bells and then you get into the 50s and that's it no you went backwards though it would be shade before i think rock the bells no shade is all new mostly oh you mean you oh you mean because flex 2k is all old shade is mostly new you feel old flex 2k is like you're like if a song's on flex 2k you're you know and you're listening to it it feels like yesterday you're an old man right got it uh sorry i meant more that when shade does play throwbacks like when i play my throwbacks on my show every thursday night at 10 o 'clock on shade 45 when i play throwbacks it could be mob deep from 1995 right Right, but generally during the day on Shade 45.

9:11No, it's new. They're playing new stuff. By the way, we love wrestling. We think it's great. We love Sirius and think it's great. We also love Sirius. I do love Sirius. I was going to shout out the groove. You know what I mean? I have had Sirius Radio. No bullshit. I have had Sirius Radio since 2005. Six? I got it when I first entered college. For 20 years I have had it. Can I just ask you an honest question, though? how often would you lose it and then get a new car and regain it every time well i had the i had the box i had the original silver box that was like chunky in the size of like a big walkman yeah so i i bought that same thing for ben pleasure my best friend ben pleasure at his wedding ben probably got married around oh six and i bought him the boom box where you could stick the box in the boom box.

10:08Do you remember that? They had a boom box. They had like a boom box. Oh, yeah. I know the boom box. I had a boom box. I had that too. You could stick the box in the boom box or you could take the radio with you and use it as a Walkman, essentially. By the way, I got to look on eBay for that stuff. The idea now that some of that stuff is probably completely vintage. I'm sure. Does Sirius make anything like that? I still have it for sure. I got to look up if you could still buy a handheld Sirius radio. I have the original box that I bought from back then it's somewhere in my garage is it next to like an ultimate warrior mug a diesel pod map is all right let's um and i'm looking right now serious xms on their website is still selling very cool serious radios love it that's pretty dope actually a really modernized looking dope one that's pretty dope so let's let's get into it folks we're going to talk some wrestling here on this holiday edition of the program we we we watched a new undisputed champ get crowned.

11:06I'm curious for your thoughts. What level did you think there was a chance? How high was the possibility in your mind that Sami Zayn could win? For me, when SmackDown aired and both Gunther and Cody made reference to you're never going to win was when I went, he might win. Same. Same. You had the same thought? I did. And by the way, as the match went on too, they told a really good story in that match. And I was like, I think Sammy's winning this match. SGG? Yeah. I went 50-50 with it because we've seen Sammy in this spot before. And I think about Montreal against Roman. Insurmountable odds. An impossibly high mountain to climb.

12:02and he didn't get it done because they wanted to save that spot. Save that spot. Save that spot. They want to put the championship on Cody. So it didn't end up going to Sami Zayn. And I figured, well, the championship's already on Cody. So is Sami going to do Sami Zayn things? Well, those are no longer Sami Zayn things, my friend. Those are old Sami Zayn things. Now, for the record, I, during the match, kind of believed it could happen. But I will tell you, when Cody hit the double crossroads, I 100 % gave up and went, it's over. He's hitting a double crossroads, second crossroads to Sammy, match is over.

12:50And here is my theory, and I sent it to the group chat. I do not believe Michael Cole had any idea that title change was coming. Yeah, his reaction proved that. I find it impossible that he would not have even called a count on the winning championship pin if Cole was in on it. I think they were completely blown away and worked. I wonder how tight they just kept it. I loved it. I jumped on Big E's back in the Stanford studios. We all went crazy. I mean, obviously, everybody is so happy for Sammy, except for the losers who are not. I don't have time for you people. I don't have time. I agree. Either because your dumb, antiquated politics make you hate Sammy Zane or his size or whatever antiquated thoughts you have.

13:47Sammy Zane is absolutely, and he will talk about this in the interview we're going to play back with him from this week at some point he started to believe why not me when he started doing the work with when he's now in the mix all the time with Roman and Cody and Drew McIntyre and all the big people he's in matches with at a certain point he's like well why can't I win one one time like I'm with these guys now I am among the top of the card so why not and I have to say something about these people who are like sammy zane's a mid carter sammy zane this sammy zane that shut up shut up you don't know what you're talking about you've watched i don't know what the hell you've been watching because you apparently have missed the plot and the point the whole time because the same thing that people are saying about sammy zane they could have been saying about daniel bryan they could have said it about hell roman reigns they could have said it about bret hart they could have said it about Shawn Michaels.

14:50You can take it back as far as you want. If you picked the right year, you could have said it about Ric Flair. You could have said it about Dusty Rhodes. Shut the hell. Ric Flair had the most United States championship wins before he became world champion. I think he set the record for it before he came world champion. If that's not perennial mid-carder, I don't know what is. So if you picked the right year, you could have said it about Ric Flair. You could have said it about Dusty Rhodes, repeated transitional champion. If you said it about Mick Foley, shut the hell up and watch the show. Dusty Rhodes, too.

15:22No, by the way, it's like you. We remember him as being a world champion, but he was champion for what? Like a month? Once a year, twice a year, Greg, you and I agree on something. And this is one of those times. The Sammy Zane hater community is a bunch of shmageggies. OK, there is no more deserving. Maybe Flair was in and out of the U.S. championship from 77 to 81. That's four years of hovering around. Now, listen, Sammy's been around the midcard for 10 years. By the way, he defended them. But Flair didn't debut in 77. He was around before that, too. Flair defended the title at all the Sock Ops.

16:01Big, big at the Sock Ops for sure. You know Ric Flair. Well, Ric Flair. Let's look at this real quick. Ric Flair really gets started in 72. Right? and gets his first world title in 81. So, yeah, I mean, it's a nine-year thing. Now, Sammy's Odyssey is longer than that, but so what? Also, it's dumb enough in sports that people hold up these silly ideals about body types. There are people being like, the Knicks can't win with Jalen Brunson. Look at him. But, like, it's even dumber in wrestling. They get to pick who is eligible to be champion. Why would you limit yourself? No, I mean, just because the guy tells great stories and he's really compelling and he can talk and he's good in the ring and he has cool moves, just because he can do all those things doesn't mean he can be champion.

16:58You know why? Because I've made up that only a certain kind of person can be champion. I'm with SGG and lockstep. People are talking about his abs. He doesn't have abs. He doesn't have abs. Who gives a shit? It's so crazy to me. People will find any reason to be for shmigeggery. It's wild. You know whose abs were great? Yoko. I loved Yoko's abs. Right. No, this is, it's super cool. And the interesting part is, and I don't want to, I'm not going to give away his answer, but I asked Sammy about this. I'm like, all right, it's really exciting that you won. You're so super happy. does it now get hard to let go of it because like he's living the dream right now guys i think like you go from yeah it's never gonna happen to oh my god it's happening to you know everyone's online trying to find the immediate date that they're gonna pull it off of him i got news for you plans change when things work guys i i don't know i don't know that this is going to be as quick as everybody said like god why does the internet seem to find something out and make it up 24 hours after something happens you know he's dropping it to brock at saturday night's main event yeah why does why why does that you're trying to now hold on so you're saying the way the the oba brock thing is clearly in many people's eyes clumsy oba winning the king of the ring to now get Brock.

18:37You don't like that. So you think the way to make that work is to have Brock out of the blue rip the title from Sammy to try to clean up? It doesn't make sense. Well, it makes sense. It makes sense. But what? Brock and Oba? It made no sense. Yeah, I want to hear a dip in. I'm already going to poop on it with my explanation. I'm going to poop. I'm going to take the poop. We might say the same thing. I'm going to poop and then put the poop back in. I mean. But no, no. Brock and Oba a title makes no sense there this is going to be about Brock's career there's no there's no championship it's going to be about Brock's career in Minnesota he already retired it's going to be about that there's we don't need the title there and if Brock has the title why would he put his career I know you're right so Oba gets to take his and his career it just I don't people were looking for a reason you have to give up and now they now they answered it they clearly answered it Oba is not getting the title shot now.

19:33Now, if you don't like that and you think that's stupid, you have every right to feel that way. But don't then just go, no, no, they're going to fix it by now. You're now just, you're fantasy booking in your head to make things make sense. Because again, like the Sami Zayn body type, you have some thing of like, it has to make perfect sense and get in this square box. Have you not watched WWE? Sometimes they just make shit up, guys. Sometimes that's the beauty of it. We don't have to follow all the rules. We're going to change it and go this way. The other thing I'm annoying this week is the people talking about the King of the Ring thing.

20:09I mean, we just touched on it. Who cares? Remember King of the Ring in 1994 when Mabel or when Owen and Mabel and all these people won? It didn't make any difference at all. It was nothing. It just was a crown and a gimmick for the year. Up until very recently. I think I looked it up. It was like 21 that they started, 21 or 22. They started making it about a title shot. Stop acting as if that's the be all end all. It's just so crazy to me. Just to drop a stat in real quick though, because Dip did mention Mabel and we have been talking about Brock. When Brock won the King of the Ring, he got a title shot at SummerSlam and Mabel did also.

20:50It wasn't a thing that stuck at the time. I love King Mabel, by the way, if you can tell. I love King Mabel. I'm a big King Mabel guy. Yeah, we love Viscera with respect to Tiffany Stratton. Rest in peace. I can't be mad. Listen, SGT Slaughter was way more problematic than not knowing Viscera, if we're being honest. That's fair, someone her age not knowing Viscera. I got to tell you, I think they're both problematic. Sergeant. It's just a jarring thing. We know so many wrestlers, and so many of them are marks, and, you know, like, you know, like, like former fans, you know, when they were kids and like, it's just sort of a jarring thing to hear that.

21:31But I mean, maybe the best part of the weekend was Dan Howzen mentioning SGT Slaughter. I, I, I cannot, I fell over. I could not, and the way he slipped it in is, you know, Cole saying, you know, do you think you could win the King of the Ring tournament? He goes, well, I'd beat so-and-so and then I'd beat so-and-so and I'd beat SGT Slaughter.

21:55It was absolutely brilliant. Now, swinging back over to the Oba-Brock conversation. SGG, you may have already had the same thought. I gave Dip this take yesterday. He agreed, at least on text, with the brilliance of it. I had a thought this week. I don't know if it crossed your mind. This was the most simple, small thing that, to me, could have taken the Brock-Oba segment and put it over the top. Okay. oba is the one who should have said hell in a cell brock yelling hell in a cell brock's not a talker brock doesn't have a voice of impact brock going and it's gonna be hell in a cell it doesn't the point of hell in a cell being announced there is a rich history of people yelling hell in a cell and if Brock had made the challenge, all they had to do was reverse it after Brock F5's Oba he grabs the mic and goes I want you at SummerSlam again, it doesn't matter anyone can say anything, so he says the 1-1 I want you at SummerSlam and he walks away Oba does the exact same thing stumbles to his feet after taking the F5 grabs the mic and goes I will see you at SummerSlam but I will see you at hell in a cell that would have been incredible instead Brock just screamed it from the ramp like how about hell in a cell SGT agree or no I agree 100%, especially because on Monday, part of that promo that Brock cut was about how Oba's a much better promo than he is.

23:56He said it like 30 seconds before. He said, yo, you're the guy we want with the mic in your hand. Does anyone care that Oba didn't choose a champion to face and that it's going to be Brock Lesnar? Who cares? What is it like? So they so it was just these people on the Internet on TikTok are screaming about this, screaming. And it's, you know, once you watch one stupid video of it, then, you know, thousands of them come into your face. Your dip. I actually completely love your guys take. I had moments where I questioned the booking of King and Queen of the Ring. I'm like why is Liv in this why is Liv maybe going to win this why is Oba in this why he's clearly going to win this but I have to say you are both 1000 % correct who gives a shit like they really this whole SummerSlam is on the line thing it's brand new anyway like listen in the end Liv wins and then turns around and goes And Io wins and turns around and goes, and now I want you again.

25:13That's exactly. That makes sense. I already beat you. I already beat you. Look at the main events you're already getting. It's Mage, Hell in a Cell, Brock Lesnar, and Obafemi, and Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns. I'm not sure it gets bigger than those two matches. That's it. As big as it gets. It does not. It does not. And I'll say this too. Obafemi, right? We talk about him like, oh, he's larger than life. He's super mage. He's already in this class of rare air with the rest of these wrestlers who are legends. What's more rare air than that? He put Roman Reigns on pause. He put the championships on pause and said, I'm going to make my own rules and do what I want to do.

25:53You want him to be like everybody else and just go on and maybe win or lose? Now he is looming above the championship, above the Money in the Bank briefcase, above the eventual Royal Rumble winner. if he doesn't choose his championship match before that, he is now like the monster under the bed for whoever has a championship at any point because he said that what he's going to do, and Adam Pearce was like, cool. It's yours whenever you want it. He just made himself Money in the Bank. He did. Now he will have to figure it out before Money in the Bank. It's October. I think he won't. You think he won't?

26:36you can't have someone have the brief you want to have someone have the briefcase again do whatever you want no I don't think and I think no no no what I'm saying dip is now that he can call his shot when you then have a men's winner at money in the bank you'd have two people who could call their shot basically at any time I don't think the shots I think it's over I don't think I don't think Oba's going to have that right now I think he gets I think he gets it and I think it's going to be you think he's going to be able to still choose a champion because of winning King of the Ring. I don't know.

27:11Yes. They're not going to extend that past SummerSlam. It's not going to be at WrestleMania because the Rumble winner gets the WrestleMania match. So everybody can put that to bed. Although I guess he can maybe make it a triple threat or whatever, but they have the elimination chamber for the other WrestleMania match. So it's not going to be at WrestleMania. So if there's another big show that needs a big match, well, I think And I think what we're getting here again is the same point. I mean, it's wrestling. Do it whenever you want. Like, figure it out. Like, oh, hey, I'm going to do it this time.

27:43It could be the Netflix premiere. It could be the Rumble. It could be. But I won't disagree with Div. Is there also a possibility that we get past SummerSlam and it just kind of gets forgotten about? That's on the table. I think that's probably what will happen. I don't think they're going to like – he won the King of the Ring. SummerSlam is in a month – is in six weeks from – it's in a month from now, a month from yesterday. Like they're not going to go back to it four weeks of TV later and say, oh, remember when he won that? He's going to still get the choice. But you're saying – you're again being too logical for wrestling.

28:21In two months. It doesn't seem – But in two months he could be cutting a promo and go, I seem to remember a time when I had a title shot. Sure. You could easily do that anytime you want. And here's the thing too, right? We talked about Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns. We're going to get to that. Seth Rollins comes out and his title opportunity is predicated on you're carrying the belt that I never lost. Right. It's based on nothing. Finn Balor has repeatedly got title shots under that same logic. I was a world champion and I never lost. And that was seven, eight years ago. so guys not only do we get oba versus um brock hell in a cell and i think we shouldn't completely undersell my impression of oba doing that announcement i i think it deserved at least a i feel like bubba ray has a he's got you on is bully ray's oba impression better or better being worse is it better or worse or worse but better that's the tough part that is the tough part I think it is the better worse now I have a question I want to ask you guys a serious question it is July 3rd 2026 by July 3rd 2028 do you still think Obafemi will sound the way he sounds right now SGJ what do you mean I think the gimmick I think the gimmick accent is gonna go away Completely?

29:58Like him standing there and going, the ruler I think that will be a thing of the past at some point I don't know how exaggerated that accent is It's pretty exaggerated Go watch his interview on GP He was on this show I know, I heard it It's It's very I mean, it's very much he's made himself a king. It's all very king like, like, you know, ruler. It's a very exaggerated thing, dude. It's it's like I see him only this way. Listen, I know. I know many enjoy it. Dip, you're in the entertainment industry. We've met. We've known many great Nigerians in the music business from Nigeria with accents. they're not as strong as Oba's is in the ring on the mic.

30:53Like it's a pronounced performative delivery that he has being the ruler. But like Roman was the big dog. Like things change. People, I could see a point where Obafemi becomes, you know what I'm saying? We'll have the ruler era of Obafemi. And then there's going to be, you're sensing there's something post ruler. Actually a dip. Where does, where does Gunther shop again? uh buck mason yeah there there could be what i'm saying is there could be an obafemi buck mason era as well is that what you think wow wow or like maybe maybe in the case of oboe would be more like luxury wears but you get the sgg you see what i'm saying i love what he wears he he i love that floral shirt a couple a couple of weeks ago it was like he he seemed like a very important in that shirt but by the way he's an important looking man he looks important yeah there's an importance to him so sg but two years from today you don't think he sounds like the same obafemi you think it's like a copie thing it's gone no i don't know i feel like they could have i'm thinking more like a king booker thing you remember that's what king book well remember how king booker would use the accent but then something would happen and he'd break that wasn't like that wasn't like an ethnic yeah yeah that wasn't a real like his accent is based on his actual accent.

32:15King Booker's was based on nothing. I don't know what accent is. King Booker! I feel like if they're going to break Oba's accent, they can't just... By the way, the best example of it maybe they crush his larynx and he comes back and he's like... Oba family! The best example is Razor Ramon who had the chico you know, the No, I don't think. And then he eventually lost that. But I don't think any of these comps work because they don't. They don't. Kofi's accent was for a place he was not from. Booker's was for a British accent done terribly. And Razor's was for a Cuban accent based on a movie. Oba Febi is just an exaggerated version of the accent he would have.

33:07But it's exaggerated. we've talked we've talked about the fact that i i had absolutely no clue growing up that my favorite wrestler was based on scarface no idea why would you why would you i know but it was it was so good that i like it's it stood on its own i never i mean what percentage of wrestling fans at that time it was so good that people who saw didn't really think about it but like i never even heard my parents say. That white man was a Latino man. I never heard my dad say. Was your dad into Scarface? Scarface was kind of. Are you sure though? It was niche when it first came out. My father knows movies.

33:46But unless, you should ask him. I'm curious to whether he saw the first run because the first run of Scarface was relatively niche and then it got bigger and bigger. But like I don't think it came out and everyone was like oh my god I'm seeing Scarface. Like now it's considered one of the movies of the era but it wasn't initially. but I think 10 years later yeah 10 years later but that's because of rap though I think I think Scarface is literally the most important movie to rap it's one of them it is the definitive number one most important what movie is it it's the most important movie to rap I agree with you but that's not but it's so beyond that though it is but I think that Like that's part of keeping it in a cultural.

34:36Hip hop definitely boosted. It's an early hip hop definitely boosted it in the nineties for sure. Late eighties, early nineties, if for sure. But Scarface also became like one of those movies you watch when you go to college. Like it just became one of those movies like, but that's what I'm saying though. How did it, can I, can I give you a legitimate answer in my opinion? I think it also went that way because of the continued growth and emergence of Al Pacino and Brian De Palma so I think because they got big they're like oh well the first movie Scarface you gotta see Scarface now you want to see a bad movie Razor-along is part of it you want to know the definition of Scarface meaning wasn't big referenced a ton in hip hop so it got bigger but it's still not big and it's not very good in my opinion king of new york oh yeah yeah i i just want to be clear you just said you didn't know razor was based on scarface of course not every time biggie when he was alive would say frank white frank white i had no no clue who he was talking about, and no one I knew had any clue what he was talking about.

35:59I did not know Frank White was Christopher Walken in King of New York. And guess what? Guess what people listening are doing right now? They're going, that's based on a movie? Yeah. Lawrence Fishburne? I think it was Larry at the time. It was Larry. He was laughing. His Larry era. He could eventually, Lawrence Fishburne, be in his Buck Mason, Lawrence Fishburne era. Right, right, right. But this was. So wait, are we going to find out that Oba's short for something? You don't know. You do not know. He's like, no, no. But it's not a great movie. It's a movie that is it's worth watching because you go, oh, and you hear a couple of scenes.

36:40There's the scene on the subway where Christopher Walken, the guy tries to rob Christopher Walken. And he instead scares him and offers him a job. There's a bunch of Nas samples, Biggie. there's a bunch of stuff in there but it's not very good all right guess what we just did we spent an entire segment where we were going to get into seth and roman and we were going to get into kendall gray and i wanted to hit someone forbidden door and instead we talked about obafemi's accent and christopher walken the entire time is there a more cheap pizza but and i have to find out we haven't gotten dipped uh or your thoughts we've got nobody's thoughts on larry david's new show we haven't said a word about it is there more exactly so we have to discuss that as well so you don't want to go anywhere all on the other side on this special holiday edition of GP live on pro wrestling nation 24-7 you know folks I've got a great opportunity at this very moment when all our brave men and women are standing in a line in the Middle East I have a chance to be in hometown America, New York City, New York, and Madison Square Garden, taking on that no good traitor, because that's what you are, Slaughter, is a traitor and a flag match.

38:00And understand one thing, with all those thousands of people chanting USA, with a hoax to stand in my corner, there's no way that Hacksaw's going down. You know something, dudes, I just came off a USO tour, man, all around the United States, and all they were talking about was Sergeant Slaughter, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, and the flag match in Madison Square Garden. They said, Holster, you and Hacksaw Duggan have to do whatever you have to do to keep that red, white, and blue sky high. You can't let Sergeant Slaughter desecrate our flag in a time like this. Well, me and Hacksaw Jim Duggan have talked this thing out, man.

38:34And we understand the rules of a flag match. But if it comes down to it, brothers, we'll do whatever we have to do. We'll play by Sergeant Slaughter's rules if we have to, to win this thing and have our flag raised to the top of the garden. ain't that right tough guy you better believe it there's only one flag going on top of madison square garden it's this one right here it's red it's white it's blue it's old glory it's the flag of the united states of america and traitor i'm taking you down and if general of you get in my way what you gonna do um there's not a ton to say about it yet except like the rumors were out there that Roman and Seth was happening, that we were going to get there soon.

39:16And my sort of angle, SGG, that I had had on ESPN all last week was Seth has to beat Braun Breaker because if he doesn't beat Braun Breaker, when is he getting back to the top of the card? And he needs to be at the top of the card. These guys don't have forever. Seth has had his share of injuries. You just have to... You can't wait forever with these guys who are around 40 already. Like, yes, I hope he's around until he's 50, but you can't know what's going to happen so you got to start making some of these things happen Seth and Roman has been hanging out there forever and now it there were rumors that was supposed to be Wrestlemania they didn't wait any longer they went back we are going to get Seth as you said sort of a tenuous reason for getting a title shot but we'll take it uh Seth and Roman at SummerSlam SUG what are your tees?

40:07Dip said it earlier in the show and I could not agree more there's not a match and I know I said this in April about Punk and Roman but they did that so now there's not a match a bigger match on the table for SummerSlam than Seth and Roman Reigns I know Oba versus Roman is something people want to see but I mean Oba's a rookie and Roman's a god I mean that's happening down the line you know it he's gonna get to exactly but right now Seth and Roman is huge especially when you talk about the history and the story and everything that Seth laid out that's huge and like you said they cannot wait on that that's something that they gotta get to they gotta do it ASAP because that's a match too that people have been able to see you know what occurred to me when they were standing next to each other on Monday talking doing the promo they were both wearing black and it felt very nostalgic yeah you know what Tip look at you look at you being observational you're 100 % right I love wrestling constantly it's not just the shield it's not just the shield clothing though because remember when Seth um initially sold out or bought in and he would stand across from his former shield counterparts he was in the blacked out suit when he was true true very true um it's it's a sexy it is absolutely a sexy summer slam main event so that we agree that is night two main event we're done good night good luck yeah absolutely absolutely yeah i'll tell you what's going to be interesting though where's cody on summer slam is cody still is cody still around that title or is there something else for cody altogether and does sammy have a title match with does sammy have a title match with someone else it or is the internet right and Sammy's going to drop it like immediately.

42:05Is there a Sammy Cody or is it Sammy and Cody one-on-one with Sammy as champ at SummerSlam? It should be, in my opinion, Sammy Zane versus Cody Rhodes with a double turn. And that is what we should be getting. Sammy is a heel right now, even though this could, you know, this tweened him a little bit. Cody is white meat baby face. Everyone wants him to turn heel. This is a perfect opportunity to finally pull the trigger and have Sami Zayn go in as the heel. Cody come in as the baby face. The two of them are incredible at telling a story in the ring, and they should do a double turn in that match.

42:46And that is how it should work. With whoever coming out on top, I don't think it matters. Maybe Cody winning the title and taking it from baby face Sami so everyone boos him. so that is that would be that's my dream scenario whether that happens or not but that is what i feel should happen it would be the biggest thing and make the most impact um i i don't hate that and and the beauty of it is if you are one of these people who doesn't believe in the sammy title reign of which i'm not and you believe the title has to be on someone who's you know the only way you can put it back on Cody is if he's a heel.

43:25I know if, if you have Cody Rhodes as a baby face, when this title back off of Sammy Zane, he will be booed out of the building folks. 100%. So good. So that is exactly what they should lean into. I just do not see how you continue to trot out Cody Rhodes as a baby face forever. I, I, I got news for you guys. I've been saying this since he debuted in WWE. Look at him. How is he not a heel? Perfect teeth, bright blonde, slick back hair, perfect body, perfect suit, perfect everything. Are you in love with Cody Rhodes? I am in love with Cody Rhodes. Perfect smile, perfect chest, perfect smell. Ice blue eyes.

44:13Does Cody smell nice? He's never smelled. He's never smelled anything short of lovely. but you've specifically said oh cody smells nice no no i haven't i've just i've never i i have to tell you i can't think of a wrestler whose smell i know really a lot of daps a lot of hugs i don't know i can't say like you can't pinpoint a single scent of a wrestler yeah i don't think i can like oh that's their perfume they're always because by the way i was gonna to say, Cody looks like a guy with a go-to fragrance. I would say you're probably right. I would think so, too. But listen, I've had a nearly daily fragrance now for the last year.

44:59I bet you guys don't know what it is. I haven't seen you in ages. That's true. Maybe, you know what, at Fanatics Fest, if you give me a good hug, I want you to go, oh, I'm the fragrance. People are gonna people are gonna be like, why is Dipperstein deeply hugging and smelling the neck of Peter Rosenberg? Why is his nose in his neck though. I want to get your other clients jealous. This is kind of hug I want from Dipper's. That's basically one of the final scenes of Jerry Maguire. Now, so we're all very happy about Seth and Roman. What a fun month it should be. I got to tell you guys, wrestling is crazy, man.

45:36Yesterday for some reason social media showed me the CM Punk promo with him and Cena signing for their match in 2012 did you guys see that i think it was 2012 no i mean i i don't know what happened i've seen the promo but no no you know which one i'm talking about the one where it's johnny ace and hunter i can't like think about it right oh my god dude it's literally the most punk like the awkward legitimately chastising triple h and johnny ace like there's no working happening i'm sorry there's no work he literally goes to johnny ace he goes who said this punk punk punk punk literally says he's trying to call triple h a coward because triple h is like head of the corporation and you know he's like he's running he's presiding over the uh over the contract signing and he's basically calling triple h a coward and he's like hey triple h who did you go down in person and fire Vladimir Kozlov last Friday?

46:40Or was it you, Johnny? Did you go and see Vladimir Kozlov, who's been working hard? Or did you just call him up and say, oh, good luck in your future endeavors. Vladimir Kozlov. And then he keeps going. He names like three or four people from that era who were oh, and what about Harry Smith? I'm sorry, D.H. Smith. did you did you because harry smith's been working really hard the last year and trying to up his game but let me guess and it's like clearly just 100 punk saying everything he feels like saying he it's it's insane dude and it's one of the things that you go this is why you can't compare wrestling to anything else there's no no comparison because yeah i guess if you were to explain it simply to people they'd be like oh so they get out there on the microphone and they and they make things up and they do a story and you'd be like well sometimes yeah sometimes sometimes though oh you're saying sometimes they just go out and they just tell completely the truth well it's more like a mix of where they're saying some stuff about because he's talking about how much he hates cena he probably wasn't really telling the truth about that but he is telling the truth about But he does tell a scene a story in that promo that was probably true, where he says, when I won the ECW championship, you patted me on the back after not saying a word to me.

48:08He's like, you didn't have one thing to say to me for a year, for years. And when I won the ECW championship, John, you patted me on the back and said, nice job, kid. I was beginning to I was about to give up on you.

48:25and punk goes who the hell do you think you are to give up on me or something like that and i'm like this is just a shoot like the guy is just yeah he listen you can love punk you can hate punk but i mean good lord now speaking of punk everyone assumed SummerSlam was Punk and Cody for that title but the title's now on Sami Zayn

48:57but does Cody does that end up happening or does Cody is there any world and it becomes a triple threat is there any world in which it's just CM Punk and Sami and Cody's not in the mix because Punk has to be somewhere big at SummerSlam no he's been gone yes he absolutely has to be somewhere big at summer slam that i do not dispute at all um the title picture is obviously where we saw him and hell it could be punk and sammy but i like that i don't know i like that it's clear on one side and super mysterious on the other side um any any ideas dip any thoughts for where punk goes i i don't i i don't care That's not true.

49:42It's not that you don't care. You don't know. These words matter, Dip. You don't care what match Punk has at SummerSlam? No, no, no. I don't care, meaning like I think it should be all about Sami Zayn. You know, in the title picture. Well, okay, but let me just throw this out there. If they don't like our idea of Cody and Punk, of Cody and Sami, who have a match on Monday. I'm good with a triple threat, by the way. I'm good with a triple threat. But if for some reason, Cody goes a completely different direction, Sami Zayn and CM Punk is kind of an internet wrestling dream title match at SummerSlam too.

50:13I'm good with that too. I'm good with it. Great. And you know the indie darling is going to run with that. Oh, they'd love it. It's undeniable that CM Punk is the highest level. But it would be nice to see CM Punk with somebody outside of the title picture right now. I just that I'm in like the what else can CM Punk do for us as an audience or as a fandom sort of mode right now. That's where I'm that's where I'm at with him. Like. Could it be CM Punk Javon Evans or it doesn't have to be even a new person. I'm just saying, can it be CM Punk? Chad Gable. You know, I mean, I may be like CM Punk may not want to do that or thinks he's above that or whatever.

51:05I have no idea how that works with him, but I'm just saying like, it would be nice to see him like talking to somebody else other than the, the same five people he's been talking about and talking to for the last five years. You know what I mean? Yeah. That is a fair, that is a fair point. Although I will say him and Sammy would be different. I mean, different ish. Yeah. That would be, that would be nice. I don't remember it. CM Punk is so, such, so incredible on the mic and he's so captivating. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm saying these words. He is so captivating that, like, it would be nice to hear his opinion on other wrestlers other than the top guys.

51:44Meaning, like, it would be nice to see him feud with somebody other than Roman or somebody. You know what I mean? Or does this resonate with you? No, no. I see what you're saying. I don't. It's hard to just, like, you can't do it arbitrarily. The one thing I'm pushing back on is. build a story towards with like somebody who's out there that CM Punk could elevate because they're in a feud with CM Punk and CM Punk could say could make them a lot of more interesting there's there's you mentioned some of them and there are plenty more there's plenty there's plenty of people but at this moment I'm just pushing back and going Sammy and Punk would be interesting and different I would like Sammy and Punk Them cutting promos together would be fire.

52:33And I'm good with a triple threat, too. That's good, too. I'm not great with the triple, though. It would be a good match, though. It would be a very good match, but we just had one. I don't know. Okay, you're right. Not to be that guy, but... Dip, what were your thoughts on Forbidden Door, the door that was forbidden? I watched the whole thing, beginning to end. Which, by the way, I like how with AEW pay-per-views, you always have to start showing off that you finished the whole thing. I did it. I didn't see the first hour, the zero hour. You did almost all the time. So I started at five. The zero hour was separate.

53:12The pay-per-views. There's some big names on the zero hour these days. I understand for sure. Do you want the pay-per-view to watch the whole pay-per-view or not? Because I'm trying. The show was from like 4 to 11.30. No, it wasn't 4. It was 5. No, well, I'm in L.A. So it was it was seven. It was seven to two a.m. Yeah, it might have been. I'm actually going to look up what was the what was the full run turning time of of Forbidden Door. Anyway, the Kenny Omega, Zack Sabre, Jr., Zack Sabre, Jr. Basically out of the gate is an insane way to start. The match was amazing. Kenny Omega is in great shape again.

53:53It's Zack Sabre, Jr. I don't think he's the most exciting. People love him. He's a great technical wrestler. All those things are true. The match was awesome. Multiple matches on that card were mind-blowingly good. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Did you like... I love the circular cage, by the way. How cool was that? Circular cage is fire. Love the circular cage. It looks good. How did you feel about Mayo World coming up short against Mercedes? If you haven't been paying attention to the Mayo World situation, she's this up and comer gets this opportunity and basically right as the tournament starting her brother gets killed in a terrible accident in real life and everyone learns her story and she dedicates every match to her brother and she's been going through this basically in real time and she's she shockingly wins these matches and gets to the final and goes into this match with Mercedes and in the end Mercedes they have an incredible back and forth and Mercedes ends up tapping her out right to the bank statement and and she she wins the match are you of the mindset dip that it was all such a mage run that it doesn't matter my world is now over or I kind of found myself feeling at the end like I don't know would it have just been awesome to have her go all the way and complete the miracle like does Sasha Banks need back-to-back Owen Hart Cup wins no she didn't Maya world should have won that match right we're aren't it's a I mean there's no even like it's a tournament based on Owen Hart like this famous brother who passed away like there's just this synergy and this true rooting you have for her like yes Maya will now be known and obviously i'm partial to her being named maya but she will be she will be well known because of this and have love because of this but if she had survived it and tapped out sasha mercedes instead you made a you truly made a star in that moment that like you know it's i don't know it's like it's like your it's like your xbox situation it's like you're you know what i mean you now have someone who's made complete i just so i didn't love the match is that crazy you didn't love the match oh i really like the match i there were parts that were good but ultimately i felt like it was very long um but you can make that case with every i mean that is the one criticism they have great right though the one thing that everyone says and you have the right to say it is you have a cards with incredible people on it but like you don't need to act as if kenny and zach saber jr will never have a match again they're they're on early in the card they don't have to do 35 minutes right there it was good though man it was but but it's still like i don't know the pacing i don't but now you're watching aw these matches are 30 minutes long or more you know 20 30 40 minutes some of them like i'm i'm at this point i'm like okay i'm watching this for the wrestling and i'm nitpicking how the pacing of a 30 minute how they carry on a 30 minute match so for sure not to be a nitpicker to you know i i know nothing about in-ring wrestling and i never pretend to but i'm just saying if you're going to put on a 30 40 minute match i'm going to i'm going to criticize the the pacing of the match i'm going to like pay attention all right well here here go ahead i love that p said i love that p said you know dip says oh it was too long and then p goes you can say that about every other match and dip goes well challenge accepted yeah we're going to go into every one although i will tell you if you are curious so kenny and zach saber jr did 26 and a half minutes.

57:35Mercedes and Maya right there, 24-55. Is that belt-to-belt or is that entrance time also? The cage match, which was awesome, where Team Briscoe ends up winning, 30 minutes, 50 seconds, but that's a big, crazy death's door match, whatever. And then Will Ospreay and Swerve in the main event, 35-30. I'll tell you one. Yeah. Oh, sorry. I was going to say, I'll tell you, like, Tekla is an incredible female wrestler, a wrestler in general. I'm sorry. Like, she's an incredible piece of talent. She's like a great wrestler. She's very entertaining. This is why people come to this show for analysis like this.

58:21Tekla is a great piece of talent. She's a great wrestler. But you're right. All right. Dip your thoughts on Larry's new show. I love it. Okay. It's great. I love short form stuff. I love sketches in general. I'm a sketch. I'm a fan of sketches. There was a couple times he reused a few jokes. Oh, of course. He reused a few jokes. Yeah, he's a joke reuser. But his two big fanalities are the same finale. Life, Larry, and the Pursuit of Unhappiness, An Almost History of America is the name. I'm excited to see the Wright brothers and him sitting in the plane because we love the plane bits. And I want to see – I know he already – I saw in the preview he complains about snacks.

59:08There's no snacks in the Wright brothers' plane. I want to see what else he complains about with the plane. But I thought – the show is very clever. I wish I would have thought about it, thought of myself, the concept for it. But I think it's – I have zero complaints. I laughed many times. It's all great shit. It's going to be there are some that are incredible and some that you go, okay, that was pretty good. But you're waiting for the ones that – that's how sketch shows are. But I thought overall it was tremendous. S.G.J.? I love Larry David. I have two thoughts though. One, I saw the clip making the rounds about like Obama gave him notes and he was just like, eh.

59:46And I thought, that's very cheesy. Yeah, it is. That's very cheesy. he's like he's like but also too now that i'm hearing uh i didn't see it yet but i feel like this is history of the world but just america mel brooks the mel brooks movie he did a confirmed a series also i'm in yeah i know i know i i i it i'm very excited that he's back on tv and that we're getting to see him in this era i knew i just want to say i have never been more right when he started going around and giving these talks do you remember dip i'm like this guy is desperate to do another show let him do another like why is he retiring the fact that he's going to do public interviews which you know he really doesn't have an interest in doing means he just wants to be outside i love that and this is a show you can do another season you can not do another you can do whatever you want you'd think he'd want to just this that'd be it but what is he gonna do to do what he's an old man but so you want to just give up and die no but so go sit around dip wants to send larry to the glue factory no i want to send him to del boca vista i want to say that's what i want to say i got i mean in all seriousness as someone now who's uh you know i'm much older than you as someone now who's 46 and you can see i can see scary away you know down the road no man my dad that's why my dad still writes substacks every day the people get bored you have you want to give to the world you just sit in your house and go ah that was fun what by the way when i'm done i am done i will be you're never i trust me you're trust me it is never you're never done you don't think i'll ever be done i don't think you'll ever be done what about no dip we can't wait you're you're never done right now you're if you were someone who might ever be done, you'd be able to take a vacation for a week.

1:01:34You're never done. Right, I was going to say. You want someone who might be done? It's SGJ. He might be done. I don't like vacations. Soon. Soon, too. I agree. If you don't like vacations, why would you like retirement? Exactly. Can I do a very dip thing and change the subject before we go? You're dying in the chair. It's going to be a nice, luxurious chair. I thought about calling Greg about this just on the like on the side, but I, and then I'm like, you know, I'll just talk about it on the show. I had a jury duty a couple of weeks ago. I didn't get picked because I didn't like my answers to the questions that I, that whatever I, which, you know, which I won't repeat, but I will tell you, I, I have a new appreciation for, for what you do.

1:02:24I mean, I don't know. I mean, these, these, they're, it's a lot of public, more public speaking than I, Oh, really? It's tons of public speaking. And you're, you're a trial. You, you, you stand there and ask the questions, these crazy questions. There's a lot of wasted questions. How many people in this jury of this jury box believe that, uh, the sun is too bright some days. Oh, me, I do. It's, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, the questions are obvious, stupid, juvenile questions. You learning, you learning with, with SGG about his job. We'll do it another week. Okay. All right. I should have brought it up earlier.

1:03:03You should have. You should have. It's a very good subject. All right. That is going to do it for Cheap Heat on this holiday edition. Everyone, we appreciate you, especially everyone here who watches us on YouTube. We love you. Make sure you hit sub all the things. We'll catch you guys next week. Stay mage.