Peeing Next to Legends (Yes, Really)

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1:05It was repot. It's professional. Wrestling. That's right, folks. I'm back, baby. I'm back in action on Sirius Radio. That's not even how you say it. You tried your best. You tried your best. It was a good attempt. I liked what you did there. Dip, let me send you. I'm going to. Do you have the StreamYard link, Dip? I need video of you. People need to see you. um it's not working so you tried stream yard it's not working what is that that's right tell us it doesn't work page not found page not found okay if i if i texted it to you would it pop up on your computer you need it via email um i i don't know i i don't know i need it on email you need an email okay just checking we're just you know it's very tough with dip you never know what systems he's using to get into things but people want to see you on video because if you don't know everybody uh you can actually see our cheap heat episodes the day after they air right here on pro wrestling nation 24 7 uh they pop up on my rosenberg radio youtube channel and so you can look at our beautiful kissers as gorilla monsoon would say uh right there on on youtube dip i just sent you the link to your gmail if you want to get it it'll work for you i have confidence um dip how have you been we've we've missed you i've been going and going and going is where i've been and mostly for uh the professional wrestling you know you've heard of it we talk about it yeah i love watching it for years yeah i'm a big pro wrestling guy myself yeah what have you been what have you been doing i was um i was at the wrestlemania sure you launched the coffee that we got that we got the coffee up and running where's my by the way where's my coffee why don't you buy it you cheap you cheap bastard i know well i want i want the stuff that's not out yet oh we i okay there isn't by the way there is no stuff that's not out yet i thought the canned isn't available for purchase yet that's right that's right but those those are not i can't i can't send you those why can you why can you send me cans that's not how it works that's not how this works what do you mean it's not how it works it's not how it works i i don't i don't have them to give you all right now you have to cold storage now you have to mute your stream yard i don't know if you can handle all this at one time can you handle it's not i muted it oh you did it all you're telling me genius i don't know you're telling me if i text becky lynch right now and say becky enough's enough i need the canned coffee you don't think she'll do try to hit you up and go dip send pete the coffee do me do me a favor don't do that okay thanks don't send that text because that's what would happen dip compete get the coffee so yeah the amo coffee is out it's available everywhere we should do something though at some point there we gotta we gotta do something with pro wrestling nation in the in the amo coffee something has to happen we'll get that done absolutely um but there's a lot happening in the world of pro wrestling um we have a main event set for backlash i want to i want to talk about that because i think it's very interesting there were a lot of unfortunate uh cuts that happened over the last couple of weeks that i think are is is worth discussing a bit um what what has been intriguing you the most dip uh over the last couple weeks have you even caught up with everything be honest with us how much have you even caught up with post wrestlemania you're doing the best you can i'm doing the best i can given given all the travel but i will tell you i feel like they shot like um for all the nonsense that's around like all the stuff that was you know people were saying and surrounded this wrestlemania i gotta tell you um i feel like they they shot out of a cannon you know um for this i was a new season of of wwe i think everything that has i've seen in the last week or so has been really good um you know obviously besides their releases um which nobody ever likes to see the um well this has to be especially hard for you because we know how you feel about the Wyatt Six.

5:11I do love the Wyatt Six. I do love the Wyatt Six. You are legitimately one of the biggest Wyatt Six guys in the business today. I know, I know. It's true. Well, let's start there real quick since you mentioned it, then we'll get to some of the other positive stuff going on. But like, you know, cuts are really upsetting, obviously, and no part of us are going to talk about this from a business standpoint. Sorry, I'm never going to be uber understanding of, even if I work for a place, I know big corporations have to do what they have to do but when you hear about people you work with losing their job it just always sucks and I think it's hard for all of us who are just workers to understand these things but we also know it's part of the game that we're in Alistair Black and Zelina are gone obviously you know Alistair just it never seemed to get going you know and again none of these people do I believe lost their job because of what they were doing in the ring obviously what it's about is whatever business reasons go into cuts and then they look at well who can we lose based on how much we're using them and utilizing them and things of that nature Alistair when he came back it just never really seemed to turn into anything except there was that moment there him and priest uh dip had a couple of moments there that you were like pretty into I was I was because it was like a macabre thing versus like a macabish thing right you know and you know I like macabre on macabre Yeah, macabre versus almost macabre is very tempting.

6:35It is. I'm a huge Alistair Black fan. You always have been. I've always have been. I remember I was there in person when he debuted on the main roster after his NXT run, thinking like, oh, my God, this guy is a huge star. And I love the kick. The kick's awesome. I'm one of the biggest, what's it called? Black Mass. The Black Mass. I'm one of the biggest black mask guys in the biz today. Always have been. So anyway, and I really like Selena Vegas. I love Selena. Selena feels like there's always been more that you could do with her if you wanted to. She's such a great talker. I always felt that, like, you know, they did sort of obvious stuff with her.

7:16Don't get me wrong. Some of it was cool, like being a part of LWO. But, like, there was so much more that Selena Vega brought to the table talent-wise. I really think she could have had a faction. Speaking of people who are incredibly talented, a dip there was a time when you and i really thought santos escobar had an incredibly high ceiling totally totally he's another one he's a guy he's a guy i could have seen being a big star uh the motor city machine guns the only thing that's interesting about it to me is like you just brought it feels like they just got here yeah they like you know it was cool that they that they were here then you have just like vets you know the apollo cruises and and as we said the the Wyatt Six.

7:54You know, Bo Dallas no longer being here particularly is very interesting. I think he's got a ton of upside. Always been a fan. Literally, we were Bo Leavers. I mean, that's... I was a Bo Leaver. I was a Bo Leaver. You know that. I had the Bo Leave shirt. And then, you know, beyond the Wyatt Six of it all, from my world, down in NXT, Luca Crucifino had just gotten a gimmick change. He's no longer there. though probably the most surprising to me is tyra may steel who i thought like was just coming into her own in evolve um she's obviously a gold medalist she won lfg i thought she's been good on evolve i know nothing about behind the scenes but like i think there's a lot to tyra may steel and then the biggest in terms of like not getting to see like scratch the surface on what could have been there dip I was really interested in Trill London yeah we like Trill London we were Trill London guys yeah I mean like I thought I thought Trill London had a lot of potential and I don't again I don't know what happened there um you know in my mind I know this is very basic but he's a former football player black dude former football player who idolizes Jeff Hardy all I could see was the gigantic and he's a sick athlete all i could see was like crazy dollar signs if you could find a quote-unquote black jeff hardy which is what trill london had the chance to be um even though many people argue that jeff hardy is the black jeff hardy um trill london is just like there's so much there um don't know what happened uh tyreek igway and tyson du pont um really fun big explosive tag team also gone so just a lot of talented people and this is one of the things dip that makes me so glad um that we have other companies um around here where people can go work that you know that aw is a viable place that tna now has become uh in recent times sort of a viable place you have so many different opportunities and you know i just hope as many of these people can find their footing as possible yeah who want to for sure um of course we don't We don't want anyone unemployed.

10:10No, there's a lot of good people on this list. For sure. For sure. But, you know, from that, you have some amazing call-ups. You have, you know, people, you know, the NXT call-ups are really exciting. Yeah. How many, where are we at with total NXT call-ups at this point? I love talking about NXT these days. I just do. NXT like what they've been able to do with the evolve to NXT to the main roster I think is pretty cool I'd like to see something under evolve as well you want something under evolve yeah you want to evolve for evolve I want evolve we can come up with it right now what's the name of it I don't know develop sure get started entry point day one yeah and i guess that's there that's like the pc you know i guess that like just people like training at the pc that are now evolved yet exactly there is a whole thing that exists but we should film it we should film another show lfg and evolve aren't enough we need another thing yeah yeah um but i how many people how many people are i have have have just come up in total maybe five or six you know I've been you know I'm a huge fan of Cam Hendricks he's a monster so now Cam Hendricks is on NXT or at least he was this week and you got Tate Wilder who's awesome that guy is a beast Tate Wilder and Cam Hendricks popped up on NXT this week that's right and you have Joe Hendry you have well those are the main roster but I'm going through everybody the shuffling of it all.

12:02And then you have Joe Hendry and Ethan Page. Is Zaria going up also? No. She just went up to go beat up Sol Ruka and she's going back, right? I believe so, yes. She went for a quick beat up and then back down. Yeah. And then they're saying Ricky Saints on SmackDown tonight is what's being bantied about. Yes. Announced. That's announced. yeah very you know what smackdown feels like a good fit for for ricky saints and great news on the horizon as the rumors are are spreading that smackdown is soon to be a two-hour program again what are your t's dude yeah i think that's the right move are we just i think this is a lot of room for call there's a lot of room for called up people on smackdown smackdown is is a place where somebody could grab the brass ring.

12:57Raw feels like a place that's very difficult to break through on. You know, I love Ethan Page. I'm an Ethan Page guy. I'm so happy for him and all that he's achieved in the last couple of years. But, you know, it's going to be it's going to be tough over there to really break out, I think. Maybe not. I mean, I think the guys are sorry. But anyway, SmackDown feels like the place where a call up is really, you know, could really break out and be something well especially now while they still have the especially now while you still have the three-hour show yeah it's going to get harder obviously yeah and yeah that's true and um fatal fatal fatal influence debut at smackdown last week a lot of people are talking about jc jane i gotta tell you fallon henley to me i think might be the might be the the one from that group potentially she is mage so funny how fast I've been a fan since she debuted I was like this is a real wrestler for sure I'm a big fan you're going with all the way back since the debut yeah the day of the debut you turned around and you went that's it the area surrounding the debut rigorous honesty by Peter Rosenberg can't exaggerate with Peter Rosenberg sorry I'll call you on the exaggeration I have it'd be one thing if I didn't have a distinct memory but I have a distinct memory of us hearing the name Fallon Henley and being like we don't like that name no no we heard a few names at one time and you know sometimes it was that was still her her emergence like three years ago was still in a time where NXT was like developing into becoming even more of a show and people were like popping up so much and I remember just having a moment being like Fallon Henley they're just making things up they're just they're just throwing words together at this point that's the only reason i'm calling you because i do remember us going what is up with this valent henley and then she turned out to be the real deal yeah she's awesome she's awesome so oh no um but i'm i gotta tell you i'm a big jc jane guy myself yeah i know you are big jc jane guy uh always have been since she was born actually sure yep since she was born yeah yeah no literally very well around the area in which he was born.

15:13So we'll get that, and I presume we'll also get Dan Housen tonight. We didn't get Dan Housen on Raw. Now, do you think that Dan Housen is going to become a SmackDown character, or do you think he will be floating and it's just they're happening because he's doing the Miz thing, we're currently doing a SmackDown thing? I'd say as much Dan Housen as possible. Well, you know, I want to talk... We're on both shows. We're going to talk Dan Housen today. We talked a lot of Dan Housen last week, and I went up in it on Coach for the craziest take of all time, saying he didn't get Dan Housen. But I will say, I'm not want to agree with every Dave Meltzer take.

15:54But when Meltzer tweeted post-Smackdown last week, he said something about, or maybe he said it on his show and someone else put it out there. He was concerned that Dan Housen may have been overexposed last Friday. I thought it was good that they then turned around and didn't have him on Monday. I do agree with that. Like, even though I think Dan Housen is absolutely brilliant and could go on to be one of the great comedic talents of all time in wrestling, with comedic talents, you still have to, like, be mindful and you cannot put them in every segment in every show. It has to be special. When you see that face pop up on the screen, you have to pop for it.

16:35It can't be like, oh, it's another. You can't come out of break with Dan Howes in every segment. I think what you're doing right now is putting yourself at great risk of being cursed. You're not wrong. I mean, I think you're really wrong. I'm risking curse a thousand percent. It's a pivotal moment for you in many aspects, and I don't think you should be risking being cursed. You're making a great point. All right, so let's get into Roman Reigns and Jacob Fatu, who now will officially have a match at Backlash. Dip, you considering a Backlash visit? It's still under heavy consideration, but I wouldn't say yes.

17:15I literally need to be in Los Angeles for some part of the year. Honestly, how many days in a row are you putting in Los Angeles these days? A week at a time at the most. It's a lot. It's a lot. a lot of travel for the day are you are you keeping track of your miles you doing any of the work i mean uh i'm i'm putting it all on one credit card now that finally you know does the you know yeah i'm you know i never get enough miles to do anything but this is the first time in your life you would it's now this is it is this is my miles moment yeah you're finally there like i finally this past year with united it's not like i got great status but i finally started getting status like it finally i put i paid attention i did most of it on united and i finally got somewhere i'm seeing crazy status things these days not from me but from others so i i'm traveling with the crazy things you get crazy stuff well they have the people you're moving around with have the the highest level status you can get basically the highest level basically yes there is what that went just but just when you think they're you're at the highest level apparently there's one level that is the highest level well then do you want to know who's at the highest level who hebra really because hebra who does he think he is hebro when he started working at apple not because of the amount that he travels though now he does travel a lot when he started working at apple he got global services from united have you heard about this no of course not i'm sitting in 52 C global service.

18:56The only global service I'm getting is a smelly person next to me and a, and a, and a, you know, a bag of peanuts. Yeah. The global services United is like, you can't earn it with mileage. You just like, it's, it's literally, if you know, you know, it's, you can't apply for it. There's an, if you know, you know, it's an, if you know, you know, tier. And what does that get you? That gets you're on the plane first and you're sitting in the things and And you can upgrade people. When you get to the airports, like the United Hubs, like Newark most chiefly. They just put you on a bed when you walk in, and then they take you from the bed.

19:33Once you close your eyes, you open your eyes, and you're on the plane. No, but seriously, when you go to Newark and your global services, you go in your own area. You have a private waiting room with food, and you don't do any of the regulars. Goodbye. You don't exist there. I would imagine something like that also comes with two sets of Biscoff cookies rather than one. How about this? I think it's unlimited Biscoff. Unlimited Biscoff. Now, on some of this travel, the people who were traveling for you upgraded you to business class. Yes. What was it like to be among the rich? i i you know i have to i have to say like i just don't i never just never thought it was worth it and you still feel that way i i i'm a little man i'm a tiny little little tiny man so for me my ass fits right in these little seats right you know as long as i could you don't like boarding earlier though i i like it but what about what about what about this what about deep what about getting off the plane before everyone do you like that i like all these things but is it is it worth even though i am a well-to-do man i have done well in my life as you and the listeners know however when if i don't have the miles and the price jumps from three four hundred dollars to thirty five hundred dollars it's it that's that's mad it's that's what it is it can be because i fly last minute all the time and that's how much basically i mean you're talking two thousand to five thousand dollars for a first class ticket across the country across the country yeah yeah across the country is bad so to me what am i doing i'm spending thousands and thousands of dollars you are the answer is the answer is you are correct with the flight that you're usually making which is los angeles to somewhere like four or five hours away unless you're catching a break it's completely unreasonable and you would go broke going first class every time maybe 10 20 000 a month for me i'm not i can't i don't want to do that that's crazy so it's crazy so was there any upside though to when you got the bump though for free no i like the bump i'm happy with the bump but basically all it is is a bigger seat the woman come the man or woman they come around and they say hey can i get you a drink or something i'm not drinking at these hours right i say no and then what you know you know on these short flight the shortish flights they don't do anything it's just a bigger seat and then on the longer flights you know the food was okay you know i mean still plain food yeah so you never none of these flights were like a good real lay down serious business situation no no but i'm happy i'm i'm very happy with this is with the situation.

22:22I'm very happy. But I would like a lay down. I'd like to lay down. I've done it before. I've done it. It's great. But, you know, I'll tell you the thing is from all this flying, I'm getting better with the turbulence. Really? Yeah. It's starting you're not freaking out in the same way. This is big news for our audience. No, it is big. I'm not freaking out in the way I was freaking out. I'm like, oh, you know, nothing's going to happen here. no it's not not from turbulence turbulence i i've told you many times turbulence is not your concern you don't believe me well it is it is a concern it is a concern but planes don't fall out of the sky from turbulence it's just not a thing yeah it's very unpleasant though very unpleasant it is it's scary i'm not i buckle up tight i let me tell you you know who i am i am a guy who when the plane gets close to landing, like when we're in the last 30 seconds, I pull the strap very tight.

23:22You pull the strap? Yeah. I haven't worn a seatbelt on a plane since the 90s. You're joking. I don't wear a seatbelt. No. Well, what do you need the seatbelt for? Have you ever felt like, oh, I'm falling out of the chair. Oh, I never wore it once. Wait, wait. But they come around and ask you over and over. I fake it. I fake it. I may put it on for five seconds and take it off. Wait, so you're the same person who's constantly scared of turbulence. Yeah. But you don't wear a seatbelt on the plane? What do you think the seatbelt on the plane is going to do? If something... Well, you just heard what I said.

23:58I personally think I feel more comfortable with that landing. I like being in the seat tight. I think it feels more secure. I guess you could fly up. I guess there's things going to happen in extreme circumstances. Kelly, are you surprised by this at all? oh i actually am because on our flight home from vegas we had peter and i were on the same flight we had a bit of turbulence and the great adam canta great flight i had to walk well past peter to get to my seat and it was it was troubling but it happened the last five to seven minutes were a little dicey and i texted peter that i saw my ancestors briefly and he called me dip he was like okay dip it wasn't that bad that's right but my seat was on and buckled tight i can't believe you don't buckle.

24:42I'm not a buckler. That is so crazy. In a car I buckle. Well, you better. I'm always buckling in the car. Dip, the cheapest flight I can get you business class. Should you want to come to Tampa? Yeah. Next Friday night, I can get you out of LA on a red eye. On Delta, business class,$1 ,400. It's crazy. It's crazy. For Delta. No, the answer is no. For Delta First Classic, it's not going to be anything. Classic. Yeah, it'll be like a big seat. That's it. They're big seats. I don't need a big seat. Oh, and sorry. Sorry for the return flight. The second I want to get you a direct return flight, it's now gone up plus 600.

25:26So it's 2000 round trip business to Tampa. OK, sorry. Sowie. Not going to happen. I do. I do like the the flight home from from Pittsburgh. I like the Chicago. I was in Chicago. The the little extra lip of of of room to put your drink. Love the extra little lip you can pull out. I'm big on the little extra thing. It gives you a lot of extra little room to put any crap you have. It's a little crap table. The the the crap table, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, the crap table to put the crap. The table to use the crap is completely worthwhile because when you're when you're in a regular seat in a coach seat you're fumbling about what to do with the with the wrappers and the crap be on that little tray now you have some extra space you put the crap on that space um by the way my my brother has uh texted us and he he two things he said he said if you're not wearing a seat belt you need to be afraid of turbulence it's a great point the only danger you could have from turbulence is like bouncing up and down you know what would prevent that the seat belt that I like to be moving around in the plane as much as I can.

26:36But I thought you hate. OK, you know what? It doesn't make sense. Nick made another better point that if you if I told you if I had said to you six months ago, my brother texted me what he texted me. You would have thought he had a lobotomy. Which was which is just which was that he was bummed out about the release of Kyrie same. Oh, yeah. By the way, can you imagine if Nick had sent me that message six months ago, apropos of nothing? No, you'd have to check on him. You have to go to the home and knock on the door. I'd be like, Natalie, call Nick. He's referencing wrestlers he's never heard of.

27:05He doesn't know who these people are. Somebody got a hold of his phone. But by the way, it's a great point. Kyrie, she's maybe the biggest name on the list, on the whole list. Kyrie Sane, that is a surprising one to me. There's been a lot of, she's done a lot of good stuff, and she's been actively, pretty actively involved in primary storylines recently. I want to say one more last thing about the plane, okay, which is absurd. And I referenced this to my friend who I was traveling with. I don't understand at this point why the plane has its own entertainment system. It's time to just be, have it be a television.

27:42You can connect to Netflix. You can connect via Bluetooth. It's Netflix is there. You can sign into your Netflix account or any other streaming account. Why am I scrolling through movies still from who, what is this? why am I why can I not what it's time for it to just be a regular entertainment scenario why am I still choosing tv show how many how many times can I watch the Sopranos and Curb Your Enthusiasm on planes the same episodes it's it's crazy I have seen two Tonys three thousand times I've you know how many times I've watched the Pine Barrens on a plane hundreds of times it's it's a it's one of Zach Helfer the Helfernator our producer and and and loyal Philadelphia filth, he agrees with, he says, the greatest point you've ever made.

28:27You would think at this point in time, there are two things that need to change in life. One, we need a normal entertainment center on the plane. And number two, these hotels have to stop with the cable systems that when you push the button, it takes three seconds to change the channel. I mean, a couple of hotels I've stayed in, it's great. The remote control is from another era on earth. By the way, you push guide. You go to the bathroom. You wash your hands. You come out. The guide is open. But it's that slow. It's the slowest. It's just old, ancient things. It should just be a regular. The same thing in the plane should be the same thing in every hotel room at this point.

29:12All right. Why are these? Stop. Stop. Stop. You're absolutely right. But I do need to stop us because we don't have enough time and there's a lot of wrestling to get to. Oh, wrestling, right? Yeah, yeah. because I still, we didn't, I want to talk something about the Hogan documentary. There's like a lot that's happened. I'll talk about that. I'll talk about that. So Jacob fought too and Roman Reigns. Let's hear Jacob's response to Roman from Monday. Twelve years of hard work. Twelve years of grinding. Twelve years of suffering. Not knowing what the next meal was gonna be. Huh? So when y 'all was up here running the bloodline, I was broke, foaming out the mouth grinding on the front line trying to figure out if i was gonna be here or not then the physicality happens and i gotta tell you i didn't know exactly how i felt about going to jacob fatu and roman reigns it's great but when the physicality happened i was like oh my god this is what you pay money for i want to see these guys fight i want to see them go at it you know what i wanted to see happen after he made that speech to roman about grinding i i wanted roman going to take the mic and say uh you're right you're right i'm sorry you've been grinding you've been grinding up a storm i've been living like a like a king yeah i'm sorry jacob you're right your grinding has been fantastic writing no but in all seriousness when when the when the when they actually made contact with each other and and and jacob hit him with that like samoean spike and held him down, I was like, oh my God, I really want to see this match.

30:50It's great. I'm going to tell you something right now. I'm going to tell you something right now. Have Jacob win. I know. I know. Of course, that's where my head's at. I mean, the thing is, saying it to Dip is unsatisfying because literally Dip would say it about every title match that ever happens. He's always in favor of the shocking win. but in this case I think like I'm not saying it's make or break Jacob if he doesn't win now he absolutely can have other time but it would be electric it would be one of those times everyone thinks Jacob's mage no one expects he's going to win if Jacob were to win this match dip it changes his trajectory forever in my opinion and let me say something about Roman Reigns at this point Roman Reigns I'm going to make a declaration here Oh here we go We got a deploration Okay Roman Reigns is the new final boss Okay He could lose to Jacob Lose that title for a minute And wouldn't even miss a step In his mageness He is the highest level He is the final boss And he could easily drop that belt For five seconds and it not affect him and any his status as the highest leves in any way, shape and form.

32:15I wonder if we would be... Kelly, has there been any discussion on the station this week about this specific topic, the idea of Jacob going over? I'm just curious to what the wrestlers... What would Bully or Tommy or Mark tell us? What would make this argument wrong? Have any of them said that? Has anyone had this exact conversation or not yet? No, they've more so just broken down what we heard on Monday, not gotten into who should go over next week at Backlash. And I get that. We still have time, right? There's still a whole week for it. But I'd love to, let's throw that out there to the universe.

32:50877, the nation, if you will, 877-344-4893. Would you be on board with Jacob Fatu taking out Roman Reigns and winning the title? He has been so good in these promos. Because here's the incredible thing about Jacob. If you rewind in cheap heat history, I remember this so well we were so over the moon about Jacob Fatu's start and then we had an episode and I can't remember if it was Adam Kanta who I just mentioned he was on our flight with us a lot of Adam Kanta chatter today I know a lot of Kanta talk great guy, great lawyer by the way one of the great lawyers and one of the great TV personalities talking about law as well, really coming along but he if you're being accused of something terrible give him a call

33:40or if something terrible has been done to you no he's a defense attorney he's a criminal defense attorney by the way he could do both no I think it's a very distinct skill I'm telling you right now the man can handle prosecution no so he but he did help me out with something that wasn't defense and he still got it done for me because he likes you. It's pro bono work there. It was. It was fantastic. I owe him a dinner for that, though. But I think it was him who sent an email, and I don't remember which side of it he was on. But we were having a conversation about, like, is Jacob Fatu, do you remember this?

34:22Tell me if it rings a bell. Or maybe it was just a listener, but I feel like it was Adam. Is Jacob Fatu just going to be Umaga? Do you remember that? Someone was like, is Jacob Fatu just Umaga? Like he's just going to be this Samoan werewolf crazy man. Like, does he have another gear? And none of us knew because none of us were watching MLW every week or GCW or wherever, you know, Jacob was at different times. None of us knew what he was capable of. And dude, he cuts his first promo. And you're like, oh, my God, this guy has it all. And now he's only gotten better and better. And now since he dropped the, I don't want that title.

35:04I need that title. Now he has like his moment. It feels like he's going to eat the title. He needs it, dude. He needs the title. I'm all about him winning this match. So is there any chance? What would we put the percentage chance at? Zero. Zero. You're going zero? I'm putting it on zero. I know they just put it on Roman. that he would lose it on his first. It's just, it's one of those situations where, yes, I know Roman's going to win, and I'm fine with it. But man. This is the moment to, like, shock the world. It would be a shock the world. It would make the pay-per-view, like, classic. And let's remember, we're coming out of a mania that had a lot of good stuff in it, but nothing would shock the world.

35:53There was no shock the world this year. There was no, yes, we had braun breaker come back and spear set bianca bianca's pregnancy reveal is beautiful i nearly i think the best mo one of the best moments of the weekend it was first of all first of all let's take a moment for bianca how good was the reaction just when people heard the i'm on my own i was it was a rupture that was a really good quick fish you think so have you been practicing your god damn dude when we come back for the next break we need the so everyone can hear the start of Bianca's song oh my god you're like you've perfected I've done a lot of hard work I work very hard so anyways it wasn't a mania that was filled with surprises yes a page came back awesome.

36:49Bron Breaker comes back great, but the finishes of both main events, even though I loved Roman Punk, don't get me wrong, but when the ref counted three on both nights, there wasn't a holy ish moment. If you turn around at Backlash and Jacob beats Roman Reigns, you get a holy ish moment. Also, you get, in my opinion, the potential for a real story with them. Now we're talking about they go back and forth over the next six months, and this becomes like a meaningful meaningful thing it immediately makes jacob into top to your star because otherwise let's be honest about what it is it is a backlash throw away we'll put him in with jacob he'll beat jacob then and it's just kind of like a speed bump you're you're you have a choice right now about whether to make jacob fought to a speed bump who you put on the first ple after wrestlemania just because you got to get to the next thing or you have a chance to truly make Jacob Fatu and have an epic rivalry between these two guys.

37:50And Roman's really the only one that could do that for Jacob. I think you go with Jacob. 877-344-4893. We'll talk to you guys next and do much more. It is Cheap Heat Live on a Friday. Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Sugar Daddy. Some things never change. Sugar Daddy has the flavor which lasts a lifetime. Welcome back to GP Live, by the way, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Zach and Kelly are here. SGG is off today. Shouts to Emilio Sparks. Everyone who's been finding us, finding the Dan Housen clips online. And I'm going to play back that interview coming up around 140 if you missed my interview with Dan Housen.

38:34Dip, have you ever heard my interview with Dan Housen? No, I haven't yet. You weren't on it. You should go back and listen to it. You'll like it. I will. I will. I will. so Bianca though I was reminded just of like how over she is and I really think Bianca's lack of availability recently but just this stretched out terrible finger thing has also been part of why they are really stuck like I'm not saying it's the main reason but it doesn't help the idea of turning Cody because you don't have Like Bianca and Cody are the two most front facing baby face people in the company. Agree. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's so funny.

39:17I was not to immediately pivot to the Hogan doc, but I'm watching the Hogan doc and I'm watching Cody talk about Hogan. He's on it a lot. And I'm like, this is Hogan talking about Hogan. I know. Cody's Hogan. Cody is. Cody is. Cody is Hogan right now. He's the closest thing to Hogan that we've seen since Hogan. Did you just forget about John Cena's 20-year career? That's tough. No, listen, that's tough. That's why these moments, you know, that's why you need a moment sometimes to think these things through. But he is. But they are different. Okay, here, here. Let me help myself on that one. Yeah, try.

39:54I think that Cody is more Hogan than Cena is Hogan. That's fine. I hear you. You mean true sort of say your prayers that, you know, take your vitamins kind of guy? Yeah, I guess there's an argument against that, that Cena was that guy too. But like Cena was like a rapper and then became that guy. Yeah, versus Cody. Cody was also Stardust and then became that guy. Correct. AEW champion and then became that guy. But I don't know. 877-344-4893. Our question of the day is, should Jacob Fatu beat Roman Reigns at Backlash? Would that be dope or not? We seem to think, yes, it would be a dip. So I have not finished the Hogan doc yet.

40:42I haven't either. I have, I have 30 minutes left of the fourth episode. Oh, I'm on, I'm on, I'm only on two. Okay. Here's, here's what I'll say. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Slow down. Here's what I'll say. I got to tell you, you're the biggest. Here's what I'll say guy in the business. You don't like, here's what I'll say. It's just, it's, it's just say it. Well, here's what I'll say. I'm going to, it's the equivalent of going. I'm going to talk now. I don't think it is. I think it's a step up. get ready for the words i think you're being overly critical of my work i am i am i am here's what i'll say here's what i'll say um i just wanted to set the stage because you've seen more of it what i was going to say was i've seen a lot of like harsh criticism of it including hold on including people like i saw this guy jimmy trainer from sports illustrated god bless him uh he he enjoys wrestling and stuff he puts up a thing of how much he hates it and how he knew everything in it and i'm just thinking dude i've forgotten more than you know and i didn't know everything in it that's not true you did not know everything in it yes sure you may know factually the story of hulkamania and hulk hogan but there's some like personal stuff between him and linda and like the development of their relationship and like frankly you see what happens and frankly And maybe for someone like Jimmy, you know, Trina, who's more knowledgeable, who's more who's older than I am.

42:05Maybe Jimmy remembers things that I don't. I don't. I'm too young to have seen the Hogan Jesse Ventura feud. Sorry, you don't see that. I have never seen. I know that they I know that they're what their history is. I know the problems. I never realized that Hogan came in specifically for that purpose and what their feud was and that the crowd turned Hogan baby. Like, yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't. I knew the general story. I had not. I had not. I had not watched highlights of Hogan and Jesse Ventura in a real way. Nope. I got to tell you, I am. I love the documentary. I think it's just another incredible piece of media put out by, you know, the makers of of, you know, the folks who are doing all the wrestling content, you know, the original stuff.

42:58And, you know, it's just a. It's just such a horrible, tragic story, what it what it amounts to. But it is that where three and four really go. Yes. That's where four goes. Four gets dark. yeah I mean you just basically see that his whole life fell apart after the rock match at 18 the whole thing fell apart after that the reality series was a huge mistake he cheated on his wife which sort of that was really the end and his body broke down you know and the saddest thing with regards to cheating on his wife the saddest thing about that is after these years of not talking you can see that linda is just like still in love with him and like so broken over the whole thing yeah but it's unbelievably well done i mean i i thought so i just i thought so too i just i guess and i'm sorry i didn't mean to be harsh earlier but like i just don't understand how people are coming out saying it sucks like it's a oh it doesn't suck i mean it's a if you knew a lot about hulk hogan's you're like this is what people fail to realize if you're really into a subject and a massive big budget documentary comes out about that subject you're not the intended audience right the intended audience is the is the person who has not watched every other hulk hogan thing there ever is you get the problem the problem with the vinstock is that you didn't really get to see him at home you didn't really get to see what his daily life was like in the in the in the hogan documentary they lean totally into that you see home movies you see the whole thing is framed by him working out with Nick before he died in his home gym.

44:42And I don't know, man. I know, you know, look. It's got to be one of the saddest stories in wrestling history. Oh, it's an overall incredibly sad story in American pop culture history. This was the main thing that I drove home. I tried to drive home after Hulk passed was that more than anything, it's the amount of self-inflicted wounds make his story just such an absolute tragedy in so many ways. All right, we'll talk about this more as well as Roman and Jacob Fatu and much more in hour two right now. 877-344-4893. We got another hour right here on GP Live Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following.

45:32Iron cologne. rugged, sexy, distinctively masculine. Pump some iron today. All right, welcome back to Chief Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. I'm Peter Rosenberg, your forever 24-7 champion. The man on the other side here is a man named Dipperstein. He's your 38 at 35 champion, and he's in Los Angeles, California. My brother is listening somewhere in the D.C. area. he went to AEW at Dynamite this week crazy crazy him and my best friend Ben Pleasure they went to an episode of Dynamite they my brother said the main event with between Brody and Darby was awesome yeah I gotta watch that two peeps that I love very much yeah two great peeps and we know there's nothing more important to dip than whether or not you've had good conversations with the person in the room that's all that matters it really does that's what determines if i'm a fan i think some of the annoying online people who feel obligated to crush everything are like starting to come around a little bit on the darby thing yes people people hated it dude i know you know there are people who hate it i know they're wrong but i i i posted about it believe me and i got and let me let me ask you a question when i whenever i say anything and anybody calls me a shill who works at wwe who sucks.

46:56Do you think when on WrestleMania weekend when I decided to go online and post about how cool it was, I thought Darby Allin won. Do you think any of those same people jumped online and said, hey, you know, Rosenberg, we always call you a stupid paid shill. It's pretty cool that it's WrestleMania weekend, but you're still shouting out Darby Allin for winning the championship. Maybe you're not the shill I thought you were. No, they didn't. They just said, shut up. You're wrong. He never, Max shouldn't have lost a title. You're an idiot. You're a moron. I know. I think it's crazy. I love hardcore wrestling fans so much, yet the ones who are allowed online are so annoying.

47:28I think what has come of this last few months, obviously MJF, the big star, I think like the Darby and Brody King solidification of them at the top of the card is like, you know, everyone, Darby Allen's a fan favorite, always has been, but like the idea that Brody King now is like become a top guy is such a beautiful thing. He so deserves it. He's so good at wrestling. I'll agree. He is such a top guy in my opinion in general um and and darby too man darby is darby's one of my favorite wrestlers on earth so you know brody king brody king is the real deal dude that guy that guy could do a lot every movement is good every move is his his finish is incredible um i think i think that in the case of darby i i don't think he'll have multiple title reigns i don't think this will obviously a bit of a novelty.

48:26However, it's great. I think it's a really cool novelty because I think it solidifies a guy who, if you're Tony Khan, Darby Allen is one of yours. He's one of the true AW guys who you could have for a very long time. And by having him be a champion and then former champion, you are upgrading him permanently. Like he doesn't ever have to have it again for it to be like meaningful. so i just don't understand and max loses nothing i mean you were saying that same thing about roman reigns earlier in wwe mjf is in the same place in aw like lose the title get the title back it's cool it really doesn't affect his overall spot we love a permit what did you call it a permanent upgrade what did you just call it about what about about where darby is now is it like winning the title gives you that upgrade yeah same jacob fatu yep comes right back around to that I'm actually re-watching the segment right now to my left here Although in the case of Jacob He could obviously be a multi-time champion That could be the heir he's in forever I think there's such potential there, man And I think Jacob is so cool Plus his story is touching and interesting But you see, when they want to do the permanent upgrade They do it Obafemi Permanent upgrade That's like a once a year thing I said this last week.

49:54I don't know what other plans could be out there for Brock. And I know that I think they intentionally left the door slightly ajar. Let me just say, I dip. I don't think there's a thing they could do that would be better than that was. Okay. I don't think it could be better. I think the way it happened with Brock on the stage that it did against the opponent that it was, with like that moment with him and Paul and the crowd authentically cheering him. I don't know. Are you going to recreate that? Like that was to me like perfect. I don't see what's better. Like Brock's not a talker. He's not going to go give some big speech.

50:35Like that was it. That was it. You're not agreeing. No, I am. I'm definitely agreeing. But like I know they may do SummerSlam. You know, people speculated. I'm just telling you, if they can pull off something better than that, God bless them. but that will be tough to top. It felt so real. That was his real feeling, a WWE moment as you will get. That was great. Agreed. I was like floored by it. Dude, we were together. Everyone was floored. We were among other WWE people. Everyone was kind of like, whoa, that feels like it just kind of happened. So I know there's been speculation and yes, the crowd in Minneapolis.

51:12And listen, I'd be thrilled to see him. Like he should do whatever works. They should do whatever they think is best, but it's going to be tough to beat the emotions of that moment. So we have talked quite a bit now about the Hogan doc. I am going to finish it before next week. I do want to see what the end feels like. And I hope more listeners, because I know everyone has a lot of stuff on their plate with the many hours of wrestling that you have every single week to watch between NXT, SmackDown, Raw, and AEW, and of course, Evolve on Wednesday night. So hopefully by next week, everyone will have watched it and we can talk about it.

51:46And SGG will be back on the show as well. So we'll do that. Natalie is on episodes finishing episode two of the Hogan doc she's very into it and that's what we were talking about out of the break here I'm like curious for the people who have negative things to say about the the Hogan doc it reminds me dip of the people who have negative things to say about the movie Michael I'm like what I haven't seen it yet I gotta go what are you doing by the way like I have no time right now maybe this weekend I have no time this weekend you have no time even on the weekend no you're doing work stuff all weekend you have personal things all weekend uh i am doing personal things you're doing oh you're doing something i have one i have one hilarious thing on sunday that's a work thing that you'll love that i can't say on the air and then and and saturday uh i have a i have a day bachelor party oh i like that a daytime bachelor party for my friend uh my friend will walkens who is a a form a very good friend of mine he's a book agent and we call him Billy books.

52:47I made it up. Of course, all agency now calls him Billy books. You're a great nickname maker. One of the best. And it's a daytime bachelor party. So I don't, you know, you know, it's a.k.a. a tame bachelor party. You know, it's if you want to have a few drinks, bachelor party. I what what time during the day? It's it's like 12 to to to to midnight or something like that but it's different activities they want they they're forcing me to go go-karting and i they said is everyone okay with go-karting or is everyone okay with the whatever of there and i said as long as it's not in the wilderness i will never drive a vehicle through the wilderness again i've already done that you did that once an atv this and thing and that have you have you i have a question have you have you ever spoken to your friend and client Maxwell Jacob Friedman about an idea that he has about the three of us doing something related to this like like uh activities that our types of people don't usually do yes he no he told me I dinner I had dinner with the former AEW champion last night and he said I don't want to get this idea I don't want to lose this idea he has an idea for a show of me you and him doing activities doing activities that Jews shouldn't be doing.

54:08So like high-speed go-karting. Because it came up because he loves roller coasters. Yes. But he's also scared of heights. Yes, I knew that. So here, which is very interesting. And then it led to us talking about you and alligators. Let's move on. No, I need... Move on, thank you. One more second. So it led to me and Natalie talking. What are your feelings on Lacoste? You're not the first person that has come to me and asked me if I'm scared of Lacoste shirts. And yesterday we drove past the Lacoste store in Manhattan with the big cartoon alligator. I went, would he freak out if I sent him a picture of the Lacoste alligator?

54:57Let me just say, I'm not in love. but you're not scared no i'm not scared but i'm not in love okay but it is it's real alligators that scare you correct okay all right we've covered a lot of ground here in this first moment of the assignment but anyways anyways all all of that is to say uh i i go see michael when you can and i do not understand people who didn't like michael because if you went if you went to see the movie and you're a huge Michael Jackson fan, as I am, as you are, Dip, would you go as far as calling yourself aficionado or would you stop yourself at huge fan?

55:45I mean, I'm a huge fan plus. Huge fan plus. Right, but like, so that's me. But like, I don't know his career. For example, here's the delineation. I am a huge fan plus of Michael Jackson. sorry my daughter's running towards me and looking up at the screen to see who's there she's wearing a full jordan outfit you have to see this kid it's crazy hold on i have to show you this kid maya come say hi on the radio show show uncle dip your outfit hold on she's dressed like bobby bacala she she is

56:20um so um it so so the delineation for me is i am a huge michael jackson fan i am a mike Tyson aficionado so in the case of Tyson for example dip to pay attention to me I can tell when you're distracted no I can see your eyes moving no they're not moving I need you I'm here see Tyson I know every character in his life I don't know every character in Mike Michael Jackson's life so no I don't know when the Miles Teller character came on screen for example in the in like John Branca I don't know oh I do I don't know much about him I mean so did you know the driver you know the driver guy well no but I know John Branca is like one of the biggest entertainment lawyers of all time it was Michael's lawyer oh god still practicing and all right but that also ties in one of the biggest houses in LA but this ties into other parts of your life but like Bill Bray his driver you know him no I didn't either huge part in the movie right so so I'm a huge fan I'm not an aficionado as a huge fan I got to relive Michael Jackson see this nephew who's one of the most does one of the most unbelievable performances you will ever see we will never see another biopic again where the person is more the person than Jafar Jackson is Michael Jackson so the question I have is for the people who left that movie and go it wasn't what I wanted it's the same thing about the Hogan Dock people who do you think what did you possibly expect I mean, I'm too into the Hogan doc.

57:54And I don't even know how dark they're going to go. My expectation is it's not going to be, of course, incredibly critical. He was an important part of it. It was his documentary. He was in it. I remember when the great Ben Hauser, who runs that division at WWE, I remember standing with him in the lobby at Mania two years ago, and he's like, I got to go. I'm meeting with Hulkster at 11. We got more stuff to shoot him. I remember so well. He said, we're doing this big doc on Hogan. Of course, no one knew at the time it would become this tragic posthumous documentary. So I just ask you people, what the hell were you expecting that made you think this was not good?

58:28Because to me, it was on point. Let's start with Chris in Ohio, first time caller. So Chris, first of all, welcome aboard. And what were your thoughts of the Hogan doc? Thanks for having me, guys. I appreciate it, man. I'm a huge Hogan fan, so I loved it. I thought it was great. I like how I got into the, I like the darkness. I like how I got in the show the real person of who it really was. But I heard you guys talking earlier about, you know, if you weren't a fan and you weren't like that, like it wasn't meant for you. Or if you were the big fan that knew all the stuff, it wasn't meant for you.

59:01It was for the fan that didn't know that kind of things. And my example is like my girlfriend, she's not a big fan of wrestling. She's not a big fan of Hogan. She was watching someone with me and she looked at me and she goes, you know, it's cool that, you know, that he did this for his fans and that he put this out there and gave all his fans the info and did this right before he passed. And I said, you know, it's funny you say that because I don't think the timing, it's just the timing of what it was. I don't think it was meant to be the way that it is, but it was just the timing that did that.

59:30And it's really cool. And it caught her and it got her attention. Somebody that's not a fan. She doesn't follow wrestling. She's not into it like that. So I think it's just, you have to be open-minded when you go into it. You can't look into all the stuff people say about somebody. like just go in open-minded and look at it and just see that he was a superhero and he did everything he could. But I mean, in the end, he's a person. He's a real person. That's, that's the, that's the main thing. I think people really, you know, struggle with Chris and thank you for the call is that, you know, listen, there's a part in episode one or two dip where he's like, it's an old promo, maybe beginning of WWF when he's like, when he's like, I'm the real deal, brother, you know, I don't tell lies I always tell the truth I'm this I'm that and he's saying all these things that I'm listening going wow man that that really was a character that is not Terry Bolle of the man but I think that's been hard for people to reconcile that like he he played a character that was supposed to always do the right thing and in real life that was obviously not true He was a human being, first and foremost.

1:00:43As time went on, it seemed like an incredibly flawed human being. And, you know, I think what I've seen so far seems to show a somewhat complete picture of him. Now, it's interesting. I didn't hear our friend Zach Linder was in the group chat, and he was, like, very upset at the end of watching it and reminded him of how resentful he is of how kind of bad Hogan ended. But I don't know why. I didn't get the I'm curious to hear from him as to why it landed with him in that way, where he was so kind of pissed off about how badly Hogan ended his life. Have you had now are you far enough into four to sort of start to feel the disappointment of like, man, you just really botched the ending here?

1:01:22I know I'm at TNA. No, I didn't get to the racist remarks or anything yet. I'm at TNA, which is like really the beginning of the end, it appears. But like, you know, what's interesting, what I thought, I loved it. I think it's a 9.5 out of 10. The 0.5 that I think is missing is like they jump too far from there was there's a lot about the NWO and him being Hollywood Hogan. But then like you jump like they don't talk a lot. And I don't know how much they really needed to, but they don't talk that much about WCW, his time in WCW, like towards when it started to get bad. They hit on the Vince Russo coming in and sort of ruining and, but like they jump literally from like the peak of Hollywood to the finger point of doom.

1:02:08And just as like a wrestling guy, I don't, you know, like there's so much in between there that I felt like they didn't cover. But how much could they really cover of like, you know, I didn't need to know, you know, the great Muda was a joy, you know, joined the, Scott Norton joined the NWO. I didn't need that stuff. but um they did sort of jumped a little too far you know through the through the nwo stuff um but i don't know man nwo a big part of my nwo well did they get into do they get into his like insane insane deal at wcw they do yeah they didn't say the details of it but he talked about signing an insane deal and saying i want i wanted creative control of my character and all that stuff.

1:02:52That's it. They didn't talk. They didn't explicitly say that he had creative control, but he said in the doc that like they said you could basically run the company if you want. So I mean look, I say my takeaway is that he was way more self-aware and I could be just totally just sucked in. Yeah, it's possible. It's possible, but I would say the main takeaway I got from Hogan is that he was way more self-aware than we think he is. and he knows that he's an egomaniac and that it all sort of, he's aware of how tragically his life had fallen at a certain point. But he still in his mind is the greatest wrestler of all time, which, by the way, how many times have I said it?

1:03:44Besides Ric Flair being the most important wrestler, Hulk Hogan is the most famous and most influential wrestler of all time. And you get that completely by watching this documentary. And it's going to take years before anyone truly surpasses him in legacy, as far as that is concerned, including Cena. Oh, yeah. I mean, the level to which Hogan reached crossover appeal, he is the Kleenex. He is Babe Ruth. There's just, sorry, John Cena's not. I love him. I love him. But like my mom, you know, couldn't picture John Cena on a bet. You know, like it's just Hulk Hogan is a different animal altogether.

1:04:28And he certainly has his case at being the greatest. Now, I do think his self-awareness to me, though, was always sort of in there because this one of the things that I always found so sad was that people don't talk about enough. In the horrible racist tape, I wonder if they'll actually play it in the doc or not. but in the racist tape he talks about being racist do you remember that he's a guy I guess I I guess I am racist you know because I think and and he starts to say all this racist stuff while like looking at like all right and I'm like so like he did have a total self-awareness about a lot of this stuff it just didn't say it was a good self-awareness I just yeah you know self-aware exactly no no it totally i hear you um that but that's still an important distinction being self-aware if you don't change it i mean it's just an interesting thing to note but like yeah he he you know my thing about hogan is i don't have a ton of stories about him or anything um i interacted with him a bunch of times but do you remember the time i ran into him you were not with me you we We were on the weekend together, but you weren't with me.

1:05:37And I ran into him in the talent hotel, like near the green room. And I ran into him in the hallway, and we're the only ones there. And so I'm like, hey, Hulk, how are you? Shake his hand. How's the weekend? Chatted a little bit. You know, I think I am to him a familiar person that he knows he's supposed to know in some way because we've talked a bunch of times, but we're having a sort of, you know, nondescript conversation yep he literally starts just going into complete business in this conversation yeah you tell me this story right we were a minute in and i swear to guys i swear to god i totally friendly and lovely interaction and after 90 seconds we're basically at so i pick up that big nasty giant and i'm like my man what are we doing like i'm the green room I would pop for that big.

1:06:32I am. How big was he? Hulk, he weighed more than 500 pounds. No, I at least 500. Well, I 56. My only interaction with him, which is, by the way, I have a thing about meeting gigantic celebrities in bathrooms. I am. I know you're one of the best. I've peed next to some of the greats is the truth. He was one of them. I'm urinating at the urinal next to Hulk Hogan at the Andre the Giant premiere. I remember that was the first time. Yeah, that was the first time I ever met him. And then we basically washed our hands together. And I said, hey, Hulk. And he goes, oh, brother, brother, brother, brother, brother.

1:07:08And basically just walked out. But that was my only interaction with Hulk Hogan. That was it. That was all I got. The other two people were the other. The other big one I peed next to was Bruce Springsteen. That was one of the great peeing next to situations. That's number one. Is Bruce versus bigger than Hogan? Oh, yeah. I mean, right. Bruce's number. I mean, that's Bruce Springsteen. The funniest bathroom. Hulk's more wrecking. you know is if you remove the fact that we as much as we love wrestling we have been inundated with people telling us like wrestling is not enough our whole life if you remove our sort of self-hate because wrestling is wrestling and we've always been pushed aside into our little corner hogan's like he's kind of like as big as it gets dude he's the most one of the most famous people that ever lived he's one of the most famous people of all like he's yeah i mean i you know can you imagine walking around with him and and because he continued to live in the gimmick you know and and i've always said and this is one of the things that's interesting about the doc and i'm excited to see where they go with it i think what has made things so hard for hogan is that hulk hogan the character was just so distant from terry belaya the person and it's like he didn't i would have left to admit terry i i don't i don't even know if if how well terry knows terry And that's why at the end, you know, long before Hulk Hogan got booed at the Staples Center, was it Staples or Intuit, whichever one it was, long before he got booed in LA in what will now be seen as that really tragic last appearance in front of a WWE crowd.

1:08:40This is a dip. You're going to like this. I'm on to something. Yes, some of it was about everything he's done. For sure, some of it was about the Michigas at the Republican National Convention. all of that stuff was tied in there yes it's the fact that it's la and it's a very although i don't i got news for everybody i don't care what city you're in america the wwe crowd it's a pretty progressive crowd he was there you were yeah you were there he would have gotten booed most any place everyone adds the la to it i got news for you and with very few exceptions it would have been similar but to me dip the booing wasn't just based on all of that and you and i have talked about this for years it is based on the fact that they kept trotting him out and having him just go let me tell you one thing brother yeah that was it that was the reason no one boo i don't really think anyone booed him because of the controversies i think they booed him because when you hear that music in when you heard that music in today's day in the last few years it just meant him coming out and doing nonsense people are smarter than that at this point they don't want to hear that this isn't 1990 they don't want to hear just that's not what we want to hear we want he but he didn't evolve but he didn't the problem is either he didn't know terry bolea well enough wasn't comfortable with him enough or simply wasn't able to make that turn into becoming i'm no longer that guy.

1:10:09I'm now this guy. He couldn't do it. He didn't have it. When he went out into the ring with Hogan and rock that one year, a few years ago, and he did more than just that. People pop big and loved it. So like anything, he could have done anything except for just come out and show something and he would have gotten cheered. I really think that I really think it's totally unsaid thing, but it's totally true. No, he was they either. I don't listen. I don't know whose fault it was. I don't know if that's the way Vince always booked him. I don't know if that's all Hogan was comfortable doing, but I know the beauty of Ric Flair is that, be clear, Ric Flair and Richard Flair have basically moved into being one person.

1:10:49And Ric and Richard are both flawed people. We all know that. He's very clear about that. But you know his flaws, and when he gets on a microphone, he gives you the whole thing. I mean, just this week, the guy went after Ludwig Kaiser like a lunatic and 24 hours later, God bless him, gets on Twitter and apologizes. And it's like, I'm sorry. I get crazy. That's my daughter. He's just very open and vulnerable about who he is. And as a result, when you hear the woo and he comes out, you're getting a human being. Ric Flair is a human being. Yeah, Hulk just didn't translate into being a human being anymore.

1:11:29Let's go to George. Our good friend George on the island wants to talk. Jacob Roman as well. What's up, George? Hey, good afternoon, guys. Dip, listen, I know you love wrestling and you think it's great. If you have to pick tonight what to do, watch SmackDown or go see Michael, for the love of God, go see Michael. You're going to love it, I promise you. You guys were talking about Jacob and Roman, and I agree. I think the match is going to be good. The surprise, if Jacob wins, would be awesome. You then went to go say that you could tell a story for the next six months, and I'm okay with that.

1:12:03My question is, what do you do in those six months then with Obafemi? Can you keep him far enough from Roman for six months? I know it doesn't sound like a long time, but SummerSlam falls within that six months. Can you keep them away? Gentlemen, enjoy your weekend. Thank you. It's a great call. Thank you. You have to. You have to keep them away for a while. I mean, we cannot rush. I'm not saying we can't get to Oba and Roman this year, but we can't rush. Anything you can do to keep them apart right now, I think, is the move. I think they're going to. I don't know. I don't know. All I know is Oba is top of the card now.

1:12:46So I don't think there's... I think that's it. Cemented top of the card guy for the remainder of his career. Remainder of his career. This is a big jump. That would be awesome. I just think that we're not getting... If there's going to be Oba, Femi, and Roman Reigns, it's at WrestleMania. That's my personal opinion. So there has to be a way to keep them apart. that's I just and in fact that kind of makes the argument for me all the more reason to keep things going with Jacob and Roman I just think man it would be one thing if Jacob couldn't talk Jacob's just so good in every way man and maybe they could go like uber personal maybe like you know or maybe listen maybe Roman beats Jacob but they keep going maybe Jacob starts to you know tear down the rest of the bloodline one by one there's a lot of fun things you could do because the personal connection maybe as Dip often talks about maybe we can finally get outside the arena a little bit with Jacob and Roman like start doing some other stuff yep hey guys we appreciate you being here every week shout out to Ben Queen who is in for Zach today Kelly Murphy the great Emilio Sparks as well SGG hope you're having a great time on vacation and don't forget to get down with our Patreon as we mentioned earlier Patreon.com slash Cheap Heat Live.

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