Reggae Dip

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0:56Sweet sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was Rapport. It's professional wrestling. It's Cheap Heat with Peter Rosenberg featuring Stat Guy Greg and Dip. Holy guacamole, folks. We are here. It was not easy, but by hook or by crook, We made it to another week on Cheap Heat Live on WWE radio, folks. And for the first time ever, I can say that along with my compadres. Stat Guy Greg, the physically large coming to us from the home of LeBron James and the Healthinator. What's up, SGG? It's so good to be here and be able to join you on WWE radio. Welcome.

1:53Welcome to the world of WWE radio. It's a dream. It looked like a great time last week. I saw many housings everywhere. You and Joe Hendry waxing poetic about the office. I was worried that the low-key legend Natalia was going to take my spot. She did so great on TV. She was. She was awesome. And SGG, admit it, even you liked Joe Hendry during that conversation. I did. He seems like a great guy. Now, look, I'm still going to hate on him because I have to still do what I do and balance out all the love that he gets everywhere, all the believers. So I'm still going to— I got to say, we'll get to it, but he also looked great at SummerSlam when he popped up.

2:38He did. He was in great shape. He did. I said, oh, God, he's in championship weight right now. He looks pretty good. A little like that waist needs a belt. Also joining us from the very rare and hopefully now with water, Los Angeles, California. Dip is still waterless, but 39 at 35, Dip is here. Hey, Dip, how are you? I'm dealing with a water main break in my neighborhood, and they've shut off the water of 100 residents. Of course, I am one of the lucky residents. No, wait, not just 100. 100. there's thousands and thousands of people in my neighbor my gigantic hollywood hills neighborhood but uh i cannot flush a toilet i couldn't even wet the the toothbrush this morning unless it was with waterloo um it's it's it's really i'm using sparkling water did you flush the toilet with Waterloo?

3:39I can't do anything except with Waterloo. The only water I have in my house right now ends with a loo. I don't think you can add water. I don't think you can use Waterloo. I think you'll need to use tap water. By the way, I'm living my dream. You can't get tap water. I'm living my dream. I'm showering myself in root beer float flavored Waterloo and triple B banana berry bliss. All right, hold on. By the way, so I'm set up here at the radio station because I just came straight from D.C. I have my old Cheap Heat drop page, guys. I think it'll actually play. Hold on, let's see. Hulk Hogan is the Sugar Hill Gang, right?

4:20And Bret Hart is Rakim. So many. So many SGD takes. How about the new Maya drops I have from yesterday? Oh, no. Oh, no. She sounds like Red Rat. Oh, no. Right? She sounds like Red Rat I don't know who Red Rat Red Rat the The dance hall artist Oh no Yeah Oh no You should text Natalie that Maya's Oh no sounds like Red Rat She'll pop for it Oh no Greg you know what I'm talking about? I don't know that record Except for you and Natalie liking that song I swear to you, I did not remember the Red Rat record. I don't know why I would have missed that. Why do I have a Red Rat gap? A Red Rat's dope. Oh, no.

5:14Were you into a reggae dance hall in the early 90s? They called me Reggaeton Dip. Yeah, it was. Tied up skirt. I was the biggest reggaeton guy in my high school. This isn't reggaeton. A, stop saying it like that. It's hurting our ears. and second of all this is dance hall not reggaeton as you're saying i do love that oh no immediately took oh no oh no oh no it's the best this is her big maya uses that oh no she gets a lot of use out of that oh no A lot, a lot of it. That's what happens. That's Greg's reaction when he opens his freezer and he can't get any ice. I know. That's exactly what I said on Saturday.

6:08I know. This was for Maya and the Red Rat, even though he's Jamaican. Yeah. I don't know why. I got to get in my dance hall bag too, yo. Belize never gets shouted out on the rest of the day. Yeah, no, no. We never get shouted out at the parties. Our flag is never in the Instagram post. By the way, Belize really doesn't end up in any place. I'm sorry. It's an underrepresented flag. We're back to the wrestling now. We're back to the pro wrestling. Oh, no. A lot of different stuff to get to, but SGG, we haven't spent a lot of time talking about SummerSlam because you and I haven't spoken yet and you weren't there last weekend.

6:48So from a home standpoint, let's start with Saturday. How was your SummerSlam Saturday experience? SummerSlam Saturday I listened to the show I did not watch Wow And the listening experience On WWE radio I have to say I feel like Vic Joseph specifically I want to shout him out This is no disrespect to Booker T Great commentary duo The both of them But Vic Joseph's Attention to detail Was so specific That I felt like I can still visualize what was happening in the matches. Top tier listening experience on WWE radio Saturday night. But now with all due respect, because I heard I listened to someone, it was amazing.

7:34Why did you choose to listen that way? Because he's a weirdo. Well, yes, that's on the list. It's not at the top of the list, but it's on the list of reasons because I'm a weirdo. I was curious to see how that would be as a listening experience. But then also I was kind of forced into that because I came home Saturday and my old refrigerator, which has since been replaced, was spewing water from the ice dispenser. So the kitchen slash living room was flooded. It leaked into the basement and I had to jump into action right away, which meant like driving to Home Depots and Lowe's and different places to try to get the tools to figure out what I was going to do.

8:22ended up buying a dehumidifier to fans but but while i was driving i said listen i'm not gonna waste the night i'm gonna tune in to wwe radio listen to summer slam by the way there was people come there was um uh blind people uh commenting that it was like they are they're wrestling fans again because of the the audio um you know the audio offering uh that's a beautiful thing yeah That is a beautiful thing. And you know how you know about that? Because that one blind person, Vic Joseph, took that note and shared it with the entire world. That's a beautiful note. It's a beautiful note. I got emotional.

9:01Back to the blind. No, of course. As someone who does radio, I hear, of course, from visually impaired people semi-regularly. And getting to have a product that is geared towards audio only, that's one of the awesome bonus things about it. It's really, really cool. I'm going to say another thing. I would say the ice maker is probably one of the most historically broken things in people's homes. No one, no ice makers are just pieces of shit. They're frozen. They're, they're frozen solid. They're leaking. They can make crushed ice, but not the cube dice. They can make the cube dice, but not the crushed ice.

9:42I mean, it's really, it's something to be studied. And they're, they're leaking. And when they're leaking, you got to bring someone in. spend thousands of dollars it's all it's an opera let me tell you something the ice maker is an operation that is a whole thing people people thought if we add this ice maker the best case scenario is it'll never work and they'll just have to spend tons of money worst case scenario these people will get ice but the best case scenario is it'll break constantly and we'll just have to show up and take more money from them and that's what i hear from the ice baker people there was years of my life that i spent with ice trays me brian dipperstein yeah can you believe and you were breaking and cracking and i cannot believe it yes but but you were fine weren't you did you survive barely yeah i was gonna say i see he's spilling the water he's overfilling the tray then when it's time to get the ice he's twisting and he's cracking he might even be tapping against something to try to get the ice yeah no he's hurting once the ice is loose He can't finger the ice out of the tray.

10:46It sounds like dip with the ice tray sounds like a nightmare. I don't believe it. No, either either scenario is bad. Dip just shouldn't have ice. That's why he just has cold water loo in his fridge. That's the only option. I use it. I use an ice tray in my home. By the way, enough is enough. It's time to use a piece of shit ice maker that doesn't work rather than an ice tray. Dip is right. Get an ice maker that's like you plug in. By the way, I have one of those. oh my i have one of those awful awful they are a joke okay i have one of those and they taste weird and it's bad so in addition to the the flooding and all the other ways it breaks what about just the constant message dip do you just get the dinging and the message change water filter uh the moment you buy anything that has a filter water filter it needs to be changed immediate change in the water the i have a brita which i don't trust I think we've done this bit before.

11:42I don't know what the hell is going on in there that makes the water drinkable. It's doing nothing. It's doing nothing. It's doing nothing. You pour it in, it goes right into the next thing. But I will tell you, every single time I put a filter in, by the week after, it needs a new filter. I mean, it's insane. I haven't changed the filter on my Brita in 20 years. Good. That's perfect. So you're just pouring dirt. You're just adding dirt to your water. You're not. Rather than go to the tap, you're using just the dirt from the Brita to pour into the water. I love that. To quote Dip from earlier, that's probably not great either.

12:14Probably not great. Maybe even worse than me being mono for people. Yeah, definitely not. Is Dip drinking dirt water. Now, SGG, so you have not gone back and watched Saturday? You only listened? Or you went back and watched? I only listened. I only listened. So you have not watched Brock Lesnar versus Obafemi. You only listened to it right here on WWE radio. I saw the clips, but even just only listening, I have to say it again. You get a great listening experience out of the show. Wow. SGG. Now, I will tell you, for those who watched the match and listened to it, there has been a lot of controversy, at least on Saturday night, about the lack of use of the cell.

13:05People wanted blood. people wanted a proper you know violent cell match i have no issue with people having that desire and i recognize that particularly now in the new era everything that i say will come off as even more shilly than before well this is wwe radio it's wwe radio for god's sake but i was having this discussion with other people who i work with who felt the way the people felt i want more blood I want more cell. I have to tell you, I did not go into the match viewing it as being that kind of cell match. I went into it given the size and style of Brock and Oba, expecting them to have a violent match with each other in which neither can go anywhere.

13:58That was just kind of how I viewed it. I did not think SGG, and I understand, again, I'm not trying to say like people are wrong because they wanted it to have more or they wanted to have someone, you know, break through one of the walls of the cell or, you know, oh my God, can you imagine the image of both of those huge guys on top of the cell? I understand why people wanted that, SGG. I'm just personally saying that was not my expectation going into it. yeah and i feel like i'm with you on that that my expectation into going into it was especially now realizing how wwe does these cell matches i don't miss the blood i wouldn't mind the blood but i can appreciate the level of violence without the blood and i think that once you set your expectations um properly especially given like the historical baseline that has been set at this point.

14:53Well, if you go back and look at the last several years of cell matches, it is not as if, you know, every single one was people flying off the cell. Or don't get me wrong, there have been some really good. There was some blood. There has been some blood in the past several years. There were some money ones that I absolutely loved. But it's just not what I've come to expect with every one I did with this. and I thought I guess I was there were several things that I was super affected by with that match I did enjoy I know that we've seen it before but I only think we've only seen it stripped down to the wood before like the mat ripped apart to the wood I can only remember that once I know I love the Brock match wasn't it I love the wood being stripped I'm big on stripping down to the wood go all the way down to the wood yeah and i i like how after they did that though you you when the fall from grace happened you sort of like there was a moment where i think people probably thought oh my god he's gonna hit from the fall from grace on the wood i like that brock was like hey buddy fall from grace just off the wood is fine we did it my knees my knees already hit the wood on the tombstone go ahead and just do the fall from grace right here on the mat next to the wood you know what your move looks even better you don't need to do it on the wood just do it on the mat i'm going down one two three though i saw people say that they saw brock like kind of glance over at the wood and oh like he was like he wanted him to do it i think the i think the glance was thank god he didn't do it by the wood yeah that's what i thought you know what i had you know two former wrestlers point out to me when it happened is that Brock, when Opa does the fall from grace, he'll pick you up and then he'll throw you up even higher before it.

16:53Do you know what I'm talking about? He gets you up on the shoulders and then he does the full lift and then slams you down. I had people point out, if you watch, Brock gripped him and was like, no, buddy, we're not going any higher. Right here is fine.

17:10let's go ahead and let's go ahead and put me down it's it is it's been a great great night i mean dude my knees burned for brock lesnar just to hit that tombstone at nearly at nearly 50 years old to draw with all that weight on you dropping to your knees to hit the tombstone so then you know i think the most i think my most one of my favorite takes i'm not a big take machine in wrestling but one of my favorite takes that i've had over the last few years that i really have never heard anyone else super get into and you guys probably remember because it happened after he did the michael k show a few years ago the brock isn't into wrestling is the oh it's the funniest it's the funniest take of all time because it's just called you're being worked yeah that's what that's what the story is the story is he doesn't care about wrestling he just shows and beats people up that's his character guys he the man loves wrestling he's been doing it for 24 years his ufc run was a incredible but it was a blip on the radar timeline wise of his career he hasn't been an amateur wrestler since college football player since right after college he is a pro wrestler and i just loved guys that he showed it by the way how seriously he took the passing of the torch to obafemi just shut the door on brock doesn't care he just shows up oh oh he cares and i'll add i'll add to this two two things well really three he loves pro wrestling so much that when he couldn't do it here anymore, he did the most pro wrestling thing, right?

18:59And he went to Japan and he wrestled there. So you mentioned the NFL, you mentioned the UFC. You forgot that he was also over in Japan doing his thing over there at the highest level over there. And then he loves pro wrestling enough that he didn't just pass the torch to Obafemi, right? Over the years, he constantly passed the torch to people that he respected, right? You think about Roman Reigns and that clip they show after the WrestleMania in New Orleans where he throws the title at Vince because he was allegedly so upset that Vince didn't give Roman his moment after him and Roman sacrificed the moment at WrestleMania 31 for Rollins to have his moment.

19:38And then at 35, he gets basically squashed by Rollins to open the show. Like, Brock is not this selfish guy that we believe. Like, from the character standpoint, yes. But when it's time to like step aside and elevate and give somebody the spot and give them the shine, I think he remembers in his rookie year when Stone Cold wouldn't do that for him. And there's a part of him that's like, look, if there's a young guy that you see it in and I see it too, right? Because it won't just be anybody. I'm going to do what he does to get them in. No, he has to believe it. He has to believe it. And he clearly believes deeply in Obafemi.

20:19me we we talked about uh over brock we also should talk about cody punk for a moment call me insane i was firmly back in the world of okay cody's turning tonight i'm not there i was there again like am i gonna be this way now guys at every single ple just going this is it here we go this has to be the moment how else does the story get told and don't get me wrong it was sick that randy came back really happy randy came back i don't understand why randy hates cody so much that the last time he saw him he punted him in the head and then he has to come back into his next match and hit him again with an rko so i guess now that'll send cody into randy land dip but i'm just sort of confused about how that pushes the story forward besides just moving on with the cody punk thing altogether Well, I would assume that Punk is going to move on to Kevin Owens and then you'll have, you know, going into the, you know, the end of the year, you'll have Randy Cody and that'll be, you know, I'm sure that we'll get some explanation from Randy Orton.

21:27um you know but i like here's the thing again again we're in a position where randy orton is going to have to do something so sinister and horrible that you're going to have to believe him as a baby i i i like i don't know maybe six months ago i made the point that randy orton is never going to be a heel again you made it like two days before he turned yeah we did it we had day. We have that conversation seconds before he turned to you. I know, but like people still cheer Randy. I know. So especially after that wink, whoever timed that wink, by the way, with him and the camera and the way that that was directed, that was truly a work of art.

22:09That was Scorsese level storytelling right there and direction from WWE. But I'm going to tell you, I really I think, again, he's going to have to come up with something unique and different and and heelish that he's never come up with before that we have not seen for people to actually boo randy orton he is randy orton is a is a wrestling legend he's a god it's him at this point it's impossible everyone loves to see him it's impossible and it's not just that and be a full-blown heel but it's not just that it's that people are ready to boo cody so you have very much so you have a combination of people are ready to boo cody mixed with everybody wants to cheer randy to me that is putting cody in a nearly impossible spot it's not going to be easy it's not going to if they can pull it off great but i don't i'm going to get into it later in the show i went to a live event last night in in the dc area in fairfax virginia had a great time get into that later but like cody's still getting cheers of course and when you're at a live event you hear the music it's the whole thing hits but this guy has been running as the number one good guy on top for four years we are in uncharted territory the only other people you can sort of comp to that because Roman does not run as a good guy He gets cheered, but his character is not the same.

23:39He doesn't have to be good, which is such an advantage. There is such an advantage to not having to be good, you know, not having to be the one who kisses the babies and stops at every old lady. And it's a different animal to be cheered because you're a cool badass versus cheered because you are a virtue of goodness. These are different things. Cody has been running as your number one bestest guy all around for as long as anyone can really do it. Because even Punk, by the way, doesn't do it in the same way. Everyone cheers CM Punk because they love CM Punk and they love that he came back. And sort of like Roman, Punk's not that different than Roman in the sense that he's not a pure good guy.

24:27like he doesn't cheat he doesn't do bad guy things but he's not a baby kisser you don't think that if Roman Reigns sees an old lady in the street that he would say give me the groceries let me carry the groceries for the old lady you don't think so? what about CM Punk? you don't think CM Punk's carrying the groceries? I don't think CM Punk's carrying the groceries you think Punk is not asking an old lady for the groceries? I think Punk is so in his own world sometimes he didn't even see the old lady. He just walks, you know, that's fair. He walks right past the old lady. He's not disrespecting the old lady, but he doesn't even see the old lady.

25:03He's just thinking about his own next thing. You think he's walking past the old lady. That's right. But Cody grabs the groceries and he doesn't even ask the old lady. He puts the lady on one shoulder. Before Cody even takes a step off the curb, he looked around. He's seeing who's there. He spots the old lady from across the street. He crosses the street to get her, carries her and the groceries back, and then looks around to see who else needs his help before. I love when Greg gets in on the bit. He's very in on the bit. Well, you need someone to participate. Because I'm like Punk. I'm getting on to the next thing, and I'm going, where am I going next?

25:38Well, you're a professional radio broadcaster. Greg and I are doing bits. Yeah, and you need SGG to participate in your mission guys. Yes. But do you see what I'm saying, the difference, though, between what Cody's doing and anyone else? How long do you expect SGG? How long do you expect this guy to do this for? But that's the thing, right? Cody, I think he's up for the challenge. I think he is exceeding expectations as far as people want him to turn. Look, the position that Cody's in right now is not that different than the position that Roman was in during the big dog era, right? Now, people love him way more than they loved Roman as the big dog.

26:15But Cody has got to go through this where he's winning the people over every night. People want something different. He gives them the same. And on the night when we get it, we like it. So why are we trying to take control of the wheel here, right? Cody shows up to the matches. He does the storyline the way it's supposed to play out. He comes out of it clean. He's still the good guy. He's still the white me baby face. On the night that these things happen, we love it. We cheer whether he wins or loses. We are still behind Cody. And then when it's time to build to the next thing, we're like, we're sick of it.

26:53Cody needs to turn. Cody needs to do this. We don't like it. That's why I don't think that you were crazy for expecting the turn on Saturday, but also what we got was great. It was good. It was good. I believe there's an opportunity for great. And this is where I know Dip and I spoke last night, so I know we're on the same page. And I will say this right to Cody's face i'll say to everyone what he's doing is really really good stuff the right timed heel turn which would be soon not in years okay the right timed turn for cody could be generational it could be industry shifting it could be iconic so you're right sgg it ends up falling as good Hey, we're happy.

27:44It's good. Full on bad guy, Cody. If tonight at SmackDown, he just kicked CM Punk in the you know what's and went full on bad guy moving forward. I think we're talking about the whole thing that we're doing feeling different. Everything up and down the board. Look, and you're right, right? But the key words, though, it has to be the right time. I don't know if now is the right time. And it could be like Cena's, right, where they do it and it was just too late or like the things they try to do with it. It's not it's not working. But I don't know if now is the right time. Here's the other thing you have to consider.

28:24Who fills that white meat baby face role if he leaves that role? We just said it's not Roman Reigns. It's not CM Punk. So who fulfills that role? Is it Oba? Well, first of all, you have Oba now coming along. But as the top baby face, the face of the company baby face. The top baby face would be CM Punk, who's right there as top baby face anyway. yes their style is different and i think cody's is a harder one to have to deal with night in night out but that doesn't change the fact that cm punk he may be the most straight up cheered good guy in the company right now without them even turning does that change tonight oh when kevin owens comes back right perhaps um but i'll also be honest like the the kevin owens people going crazy for is a good guy thing will not last with the same way it does for punk no no i love ko everyone is so happy he's back it is i was i literally teared up when he was sitting at our desk during the post show i'm sincerely touched by it it's amazing i love him he's not going to sustain getting cheered rapidly the way cm punk has every they did it for punk for 10 years when he was gone okay no one's like punk so do you have that he is that dude you have that in your back pocket why not just make the move with Cody and let it be great it would be great he's meant for this everyone wants to see it there isn't anybody every single wrestling fan would love that moment everyone that's wrestling yeah that's the thing i mean what we we think look what it did for hogan not that he's i'm sorry to interrupt not that he's at the place in his career that hogan was um hogan hogan and that's the thing hogan absolutely needed that change because hogan on the tail end of his wwe run after hulkamania and at the start of his wcw run those few years that people want to forget and don't really talk about no star that was at Hogan's level like no main event star has dropped that far as Hogan did he needed it we've we've seen many main event stars have dropped but no one was as high as Hogan's starting point so the drop may look more precipitous it didn't happen to Austin it didn't happen to Rock it It didn't happen to Cena.

30:57It didn't happen. Okay, but in fairness, well, hold on. Rocks are ill. First of all, no, no. The Rocks fall off from like a height to like, okay, you need to do something. The Rocks' whole career was like the length of Hogan's time on top, though. Austin, too. No. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yo, neither of them sniffed as long a run as Hogan did. Not Austin's whole career. No, not whole career, but career on top wasn't nearly as long as Hogan's. And that's why Cody's a better comp. Because Cody's been on top for a long time. And do you want him to do that? So do you want Cody? Is the right time to turn?

31:35He gets oddly thin. You know, his mustache gets different. And then he spends three years having matches with, you know, macho man that no one cares. Like, do we have to wait that long? Because they let Hogan cool all the way. Does Cody have to open pasta mania at the mall of America? Why do we have to do all this? Let's skip this and let's just turn Cody and have it be awesome immediately. I don't get it. It's the same fight at SGG. You've come around. It's the same fight I get into with the, you know, the Roman fans about him ever losing or Cody turning sometimes going against the thing you expect is what makes the person more long-term sustainable and great roman i was always right there about roman losing and not losing because the story he needed those wins for the story and i told you and even if we want to bring it back to summer slam right we didn't discuss this match yet i told you what would happen and why like they both needed to close the chapter on the on that shield story because if seth won they they are still in that cycle the only way to break that cycle is roman winning not just for roman for both of them why would seth winning why couldn't seth have won let's let's we'll talk about this on the other side but here's the question i'll ask you and the audience 877-344-4893 if seth rollins the match was the exact same but seth won and at the end did the same thing gave roman the look they did the shield thing together if they did it exactly in reverse that couldn't close the door on the shield i'll leave that with you we'll continue on the other side no it's because you're a roman sycophant it has to end with roman winning because if roman doesn't end it then it's not over it only ends when roman says it ends that's how that's how these stories work it's not it's not just roman it's just we can do this on the other side 877-344-4893 roman sycophants unite he should never lose.

33:40He'll drop the title to God in 2148. We'll talk to you next at Sheep Heat Live on WWE Radio. For over a decade, millions have been waiting for this match. Now, it's here. Ladies and gentlemen! The storm erupts now, this Monday night in the Denver Coliseum. The World Wrestling Federation returns with Hulkamania. You ask for it, You got it. Starring the World Wrestling Federation champion Hulk Hogan. Face to face with self-proclaimed champ Ric Flair in a battle of the best. But wait, there's more title action. Tag team champions Legion of Doom take on the natural disaster. Plus, plus, Big Boss Man battles IRS.

34:28British Bulldog attacks the Mountie and more. Don't miss out. Tickets available now at Ticketmaster, including Sound Warehouse, budget tapes and CDs, this jockey and made DNF locations. One night only. This Monday night in the Denver Coliseum. Hulk Hogan versus Rich Flair. Hulkamania is back. Presented by 105.9 KDPI. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it is Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. I asked the question before the break, could we have put a bow on the shield story if Seth won the match? SGG, you said no. Roman had to win to close the book on the shield. Please tell me why. If Seth, as soon as they lean into the shield lore, right?

35:15And Seth comes out and says, I own you. And this is why. And Roman's not over the chair shot. That's the only way to end it. That Roman gets over the chair shot, releases his trauma. And then they face man to man. And then he wins because if he loses, Seth still owns him. Everything Seth said is right. And that story, they're still in that cycle until Seth is proven wrong and that that is not a thing that's on Roman's shoulder, that that's not a monkey on his back. Him losing to Seth keeps the monkey on his back. Him beating Seth releases both of them from that. They both get to move on. so the monkey has to get off his why couldn't it just be the monkey is not off his back it's just over he won he's beating you and i guess you're right i see what you're saying so you're saying now i've gotten that monkey off my back the shield story is over but it doesn't mean their story's over right and honestly this story doesn't have to end right now they can pick this back up again because this could be the thing that forces Seth to become a Seth Rollins that we haven't seen, right?

36:29Everything else has been about needling Roman and twisting the knife. That knife not being there anymore, Seth is going to have to go back into his bag as the architect, the smartest man in wrestling, the mastermind, the most evil wrestler that we've ever seen. And if he could do that and transform it to something greater than he has been before, I think the best is yet to come for Seth, even in a loss. Like it didn't have to be that way that he wins and then they just stay on this cycle. I also asked a question I've been asking. Was that really the end of Seth and Roman? Like, no, is it, is it ending at SummerSlam in 2026?

37:10No, you brought up Hulk Hogan and Macho Man, right? How many times did they do that dance at different iterations of different variations? is seth and roman the only wrestling way to do this is for them to do this forever right you change characters you level up separately and then you meet again at a level that you both didn't think was possible and you do it again and then in three or four or five years time me and dip and you again are saying the biggest match they could do right now is seth rollins and roman reigns at whatever show maybe a mania one-on-one next time and they do it and we're seated and they deliver and you know i know dip is going to disagree with me but that that's how i saw it working out for seth and roman that they had to put the shield thing behind them because they they can just keep going back to that um sure i mean look i i think the whole thing was a very poetic match.

38:10I like between the Moxley stuff and the storytelling in the ring and the ending, it gave the fans every single thing that they possibly could have wanted and more. Again, as far as you can't get a bigger match than that, I think that they absolutely delivered. The ending, we needed to you know, have an ending to the shield. And I think this was a perfect ending. I think it was, I think it was a perfect ending too, especially with Mox not being there. This was as perfect an ending as you were going to get with them not being able to have access to Jon Moxley. I think they, they called them Dean Ambrose on commentary, but either way, this is as perfect an ending as you're going to get without that.

39:02And then, you know, I have to say too, after the match, Roman made some comments that people interpreted as being directed as Moxley. I think it's quite obvious that he was responding to some comments that he perceived to be a veiled attack at him from CM Punk the night before. They wouldn't do all this homage to Mox just for Roman to get on the mic at the end of the night and then throw shots at his shield brother. Because even though he wasn't there, that was as much about Mox as it was about Roman and Seth. Yeah. I wonder how Mox reacted to it. Was he like... I wonder if he was watching live.

39:44I could see a world where he popped for it and he was just like, I love that they did this, but also where he is like, Seth didn't get low enough on that clothesline or Roman didn't get up enough on it. I thought his head was going to get stuck on the top. But by the way, he pulled it off perfectly and then did like that. Seth did like the, you know, like the yell, like the scream thing, you know, afterwards. I don't know, man. I thought it was. I thought it was pretty good. But you didn't just suggest that there was a world in which Mox might not have been watching, did you? There's no world, dude.

40:22The two guys who he was in a faction with for years were having a massive headlining match against each other. Yeah, my guess is he made some time to sit down and watch that match. The only thing I thought about, and I'm not saying it would have been good, but I did question it towards the end. I did think it could have been neat if when they put their hands in at the end, they played the Shield music at the end for a moment before you got to Roman's music. Like when the hands hit, you had the, Dan it, Dan it. I thought it would have been pretty dope. let them have their moment hug blah blah blah because again don't look at me like i'm crazy we're making the whole thing about closing the chapter of this book play the closing credits i think they i think they did though right is it no there's isn't there a beat in roman's theme song where the shield music plays like it's it's in his theme song i think when the match ended they started with that that beat in his song where they hit the shield drums all right well Listen, I haven't sat around playing Roman's records backwards like he's the Beatles.

41:31I mean, you got to. You got to. You got to. I didn't know there was. This is not on your gym playlist. I love the song. I didn't know that. You know what I'm saying? I meant like the actual play, the actual song from him. Not a big deal. I see why they wouldn't also. But I thought it would have been cool. Now, did you did either of you have a strong feeling about which night of SummerSlam was stronger? I thought Sunday. I think I kind of just the crowd felt hotter. You know, I think that's kind of, you know, unanimous. I thought that Sunday was a more arousing night. Although there was a lot on Saturday that I liked.

42:09I just thought Sunday had more oomph to it. Because I listened to one and watched the other one, I don't think I got – I can't compare the experiences, if that makes sense. Yeah, you really can't. So I'm going to abstain from this one. the first night Livio was a cool match but didn't set the place on fire I thought the six man was perfect did its job but it wasn't a match that was going to set the place on fire the crowd was super into Gunther Aldis but of course Gunther ends up winning so that kind of ends with a womp womp in the sense that if you're hoping to see Gunther get his comeuppance it didn't happen Fatal Influence or as I referred to them once on the Countdown show, JC Jane and them girls beat the Bella Twins and Paige and of course that had the two things going on.

43:08You have number one the Paige shoulder injury which sucks and then Nikki and Brie turning on Paige at the end which I loved but again not something that's crowd pleasing necessarily. And then you have Punk and Cody and while you get the randy return it's kind of straightforward and as good as the oba and brock thing was to me as like a wrestling nerd it was really just like a passing of the torch it wasn't blood it wasn't crazy there was no madness it was just a good wrestling match in a cell where at the end you know brock blatantly passed the torch now i will say one thing i love that the brock oba thing happened and I know Brock Lesnar is going to do what Brock Lesnar is going to do.

43:57The three matches I thought ended up working out and I think we're a win for Oba in the end as well. I will say this though. There could not be a further cry in terms of impact of retirement. There couldn't be a gap bigger than leaving your boots in the ring at WrestleMania and me seeing a tweet from the Pat McAfee show that Brock Lesnar has retired. Yeah. Like, that was just... Like, I get it. Brock's not about the fanfare, and particularly since I think he probably meant his first retirement. Like, I think there's a chance... I think there's a chance he thought that was it. I don't know that the whole time.

44:41I haven't confirmed this at all, but, like, I don't know for a fact that that was a work. Maybe that really was it. How? It was a work because I think him faking the retirement at Mania, because when he pops up on Oba, it's more shocking because we thought he retired. Oh, for sure. It worked as a legit surprise. Yeah, we've seen Brock pull this move before, right? He loses, he goes away, and he comes right back and attacks that person. We saw him do it with Cody. We saw him do it with Roman. We saw him do it with Bobby Lashley. We saw him do it with all these people. So, like, Brock retiring made the surprise better when he finally showed up to set up the match in Italy because it completely moved him off the board in people's mind.

45:24Here's why I think it's actually over with Brock. And he's not coming back for Saudi and he's not coming back. And this was actually a retirement. Ironman. If he had won that match with Obafemi, then I could see him kayfabing everyone again and just sort of being, just coming out and saying, I'm still destroying people. I'm not done. But the fact that he lost, if you heard that music again and he came out to destroy somebody, you know? I love Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar is one of my guys, always has been. But if he loses that match and then comes back again and attack somebody, it's not going to have the same effect.

46:08You know? Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. So I think this was the end. Yeah, I think this is it. No, this is it. I don't think there'll be. Now, again, is there another world in which somehow they come up with something one day down the line? Everybody likes to get a huge bag of cash. Yeah. I mean, he's going to go in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. So he'll get the Hall of Fame thing. Oh, you know what, though? That would be the play for him. And I have no idea what Hall of Fame plans are. But assuming they do Hall of Fame at Mania the way they normally do, that would be the play for him to go to Saudi.

46:51Right. If they do it this year. You want Brock Lesnar there? We put him in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. Which, by the way, I could see happening. And he was a very important part of that partnership, right? Those Saudi shows, a lot of them hinged on a big Brock match. Title changes. It'd be a fitting place for him to go into the Hall of Fame. I wonder whether, let's see, I was going to say, I wonder if AI would tell me how many times Brock has wrestled in Saudi Arabia. my guess is dude how many times have they been there like 20 I think it's been about 15 I think he was in most of them I think he's like 10 plus he might as well have a timeshare the dude has done a lot of shows in Riyadh and Jeddah he has had a run let's talk to the people some 877-344-4893 Raw was in Iowa this week and that's where Jay is.

47:58Let's talk to Jay in Iowa. Hey, guys. Jay from Iowa. Second-time caller, long-time listener. To remind you guys, I called in two weeks ago. I listened all the way back from the Maker Shoes. Like I said, I'm a Pete guy. Oh, my guy. Shout-out to SGG. And I taught Seth Rollins, so I am Dippa Jays. So it's good to talk to you guys again. Well, good to have you again, buddy. Pleasure. Pete guy. Pete guy. Jay is a Pete guy. I'm a Pete guy. That's right. So I got a question for you, okay? This is something that I've been thinking about a long time. Paul Heyman has been in the business for like five decades now, okay?

48:35What happens when he's gone? We're always talking about someone else is leaving or whatever else, but not only are wrestling people on your station or even fans, we're always like, oh, this guy should be a Paul Heyman guy. This guy's an ex-Paul Heyman guy. They're putting a rocket on his back. How do we supercharge that rocket? Make him a Paul Heyman guy. well what happens when Paul's not around anymore so stop and ask yourself who's the next Paul Heyman and I think that's the real conversation here like this doesn't need to ask and Cody Rose was on Bill Simmons podcast last August and they talked about the manager and then Bill Simmons had a con on right before Wrestlemania and they talked about the lack of managers so what are they doing to solve the manager problem and I just don't know if it's a matter of creative Like they just, you know, there's former wrestlers in the room.

49:24We've seen unreal and maybe managers don't take bumps. Or if it's a matter of writers that, I don't know, used to write on big brother and they're 26 years old and they're trying to protect their jobs. I don't know, but it's real simple. Like you guys all can talk. You guys could all be managers and create your own faction. Like Pete, you could have the station and your heel thing is just like, oh, you know, like I, you guys only do interviews on my show. You don't do anything else. same thing the agency we represent only the best and the elite and the clients are never in bad position sgg the firm like i you guys are gonna solve the problem you guys can just sign the best contract you guys will never be put in a precarious position that's all so like there should be something out there like who's the next paul hayman who is the guy that's going to be like he's a certain guy.

50:16I mean, I've got an idea for a concept, but realistically, I just want to hear your guys think. You don't replace Paul Heyman, but you've got to replace the role creating the next original manager. James, it's a really good call. Thank you. Dip, go ahead. I was just going to say, they've seemingly, besides Paul Heyman, they've seemingly are using the valet slash wrestler as the managers, like Maxine to Austin Theory. But it's not the same role at all. But like, yes. No, I mean, I mean, believe me, if you brought back Brother Love and Slick and Paul Bearer and Sapphire and all these people, we'd be thrilled.

50:56But it just I think the business has moved on from that. I don't think I don't think it's right. I think it's wrong. There needs to be more Paul Heymans or the next Paul Heyman. But I think that they've replaced the manager with the wrestler valet hybrid. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah, I don't understand it either. But that does seem to be the way it is. They just don't seem to be trying to do that. And I think that I think I think it is something that's lacking. I think there's a lot of talent that would be in a much better place. And you can only have Paul Heyman work with so many people.

51:29Paul Heyman should be at the top. Matter of fact, think about the awesome dynamics there could be. You know, if if if if Peter Rosenberg shows up and start signing guys, if Peter Rosenberg pushes Yachty out of the way and takes over managing Trick Williams and starts putting together a couple of guys. Imagine now like the little internist and beef there is with Peter Rosenberg and Paul Heyman. You could have these relationships with Heyman and other people trying to get into the game. That would be fun as well. I don't understand why they decided it's not a thing, but at some point it happened.

52:04Dip, of course, would not work as a manager because if If he walked in on the mic, if he walked in and heard feedback that was uncomfortable, he'd throw the mic in the air, walk out, get in his car, and drive back to the hotel and go, I'll come back when you get the mic right, okay? And then you got to punt to the next week. Although, by the way, Heyman had to fight through a bad mic situation just two weeks ago. He played it off really well, though. He insulted the audio guy. By the way, very hip-hop. The hip-hop move would have been to beat the shit out of the audio guy. that was like such a thing in hip-hop for a time like where i was hearing story after story where i got to the point i'm like if i'm an audio guy i'm not taking the job yeah it's like reffing a match for becky lynch you don't want to do it that's right we got to get to becky lynch as well uh let's go to chris in rhode island what's up chris hey guys how you doing today hey what's up Good.

53:03How are you? All right. All right. So, yeah, I got to be honest with you. This whole Brock Lesnar retirement thing has become so convoluted. And I really do believe he's done at this point in time because there's only so many times you can cry wolf with this. You know, you can't bring him back really after he's definitively retired twice, once in a hell in a cell, which is the biggest blow off match that they have there. um having said all that um you know the biggest loser in the whole thing and not just in not just in that whole thing but in in in SummerSlam as well is it's been Gunther because we were talking not too long ago about Gunther being the final boss and the career killer and this is the guy that's going to take him out between being a non-factor in in that in that fatal four-way and then seem to be on the the odd man out and what we all thought was going to happen there's really no plan for him um now if we're looking to put we're looking to put uh brock lesnar in 40 in uh wrestlemania 43 i do have a i do have a uh a theory uh you you have over yeah you have over femmy uh you know cash in on that king of the ring contract for wrestlemania against roman and you know since he's got the bloodline with him what happens if brock lesnar comes in as kind of like uh apollo creed from rocky three type where he's helping him train ain't helping him there and he's in his corner for the for the uh for the uh you know what i didn't know thank you for the call chris i didn't know where you were going i don't hate the idea of one day there being a a role for brock as sort of like sifu for oba i don't hate that i don't hate it i don't i don't it's kind of like that's kind of fun but then he's got to get his ass beat though by whoever that is that's the hard part but that that's that's not bad though and by the way your point on Gunther's well made I mean Gunther's the one who had to be put in that match to make it a fatal four way and I think there's reasoning for that but it did seem like if you if you didn't have to I wouldn't have hated Gunther not being in that match yeah but at the same time it wouldn't make any storyline sense for Aldis to add someone else to the match who wasn't him.

55:24What do you mean? Well, it's a number one contenders. It was a number one contenders match with Sammy and Finn. Gunther had been the other one right there fighting around the title picture. I know. If you're now going to have Kevin Owens come back out of nowhere and just drop him in, how does Gunther not end up near the match? Now, again, we're being... Especially after he beat... Finn Balor is one of the great mysteries to me. I don't I mean the pop I mean he was the first person to come out on night one of SummerSlam so I understand the pop but it was just like the crowd loves Finn Balor more people do the thing than any other movement that the crowd is supposed to do more people do that than anything the entire crowd did the arms and the thing everyone well I mean it's been the long it's the longest one running yes but it is the longest tenured but not to make it about Roman.

56:16I feel like more ones go up, but I hear what you... It doesn't take away from... But the ones don't have the same spot because it's like slow. Whereas he just has the quick... It's awesome. It's the quick on beat. So it's choreography. It's more choreography. I don't know. The mystery is why has Finn Dallor not been the guy for even at least a short period of time? Maybe he was the first universal champion or whatever in the COVID era. Don't we know the answer? No. I think the answer is that while he is a good talker, I don't think he can talk to the level of someone. He has a sweet voice. He has a sweet voice.

57:01And when you're at a stature, when you're at a stature of like, I mean, he's in the best shape of any human being alive. he's unbelievable in the ring he puts on great matches but i think to be like a 5 10 kind of world champion you got to also be able to like crush on the mic i don't know that i don't know that i've ever seen that gear from finn yet is that is that fair to say i think there's ways around it i mean kane was the champion he was talking through one of those things Kane was also probably not even probably I'm saying probably to be nice no but I know I know how you feel yeah Kane was in my opinion bar none the single worst WWE champion in history oh my god the last for me if out of all 50 something if you rank him best to worst you're out of your mind he is definitively the worst oh my god easily far away how could you say this about Glenn the worst Glenn might be a great guy Kane sucked but we can continue because that's I don't need to bash a long retired legend I'm trying to look at the list of names though he's immediate I'll say this he's immediately in the conversation yeah you know he's in the conversation worst world champion WWE champion when you look at the list of names I'm gonna look right now he has to be in the conversation First of all, it was less than a day, and he shouldn't have even been champion at all.

58:36All right. So the reign itself sucked. But then on the list of names, if you just look at the names. We're looking at Undisputed? What are we looking at? He's the bottom name on the list. WWE champion. He was champion from June 28th, 98 to June 29th, 98. His run was the equivalent of my 24-7 run. And you had a phenomenal 24-7 run. Thank you. I really appreciate that. WWE championship run. But when you do look at the list of names, Dip, he's got to be in the conversation. Really? Who else are you putting that low? I mean, you can put... Vince McMahon had the title for less than a week. More impactful than Kane's run.

59:16And he's Vince. So, you know, if you want to view it that way, that's fine. Vince is in the conversation. Yeah, he's certainly in the conversation. Rob Van Dam? Better than Kane. Better than Kane? Yeah. I mean, I prefer Rob Van Dam to Kane. As wrestlers and as champions. Alberto Del Rio? Better than Kane. Oh, get out of here. Well, yo, you forget how, listen, he might be persona non grata right now, but people I'm not even counting that. I'm just counting them as a fan. 2011, he was on a heater. He was the hottest heel in the company in 2011. He held the title for a month twice. Nice. Hot as he'll in the company.

59:58But he was. He was very hot with the cars and the entrances and the ring announcer. He was? Okay. No, he was. I will say. Now, listen. I don't think. Here's what SUG is not going to do. I respect you pulling up the list, though, Pete. This is strong, strong move pulling up the list. Are we talking about Ivan Kola? But SUG, I'm going to throw. But he's discussing Ivan Kola. Why would Ivan Kola? I don't think Ivan Kola is close on the list. Let's see. let me see how long his reign was Ivan Koloff only had the title for one day no three weeks 21 days 2 ,800 days now SGG what we're not going to do is say that Del Rio's career impact was on the level of Kane that we will not do championship reign smoked him smoked him twice He said he had two reigns for about a month.

1:00:55I'm very upset about this Kane take. Dip, you have to look into it. We'll rank them at some point. Should we one day on this show rank every title reign in WWE history? I would love that. You know I love Liss. I'll tell you where I'm putting Kane. Spoiler alert for the people when this episode comes up. Dead last. We know who's first for SGG, and we know who's last. tune in for the middle all right 877 877-344-4893 we have john in indiana what's up john welcome to ww radio hey this is my first time calling hey i was um just calling because brock actually gave some of the answers that you guys were talking to about his retirement um on that night can see show where he said he actually went into mania not planning to retire but after he took a few bumps from Oba his body just said I'm done, I'm 49 years old, I don't need to do this anymore he healed up and then I guess decided to come back to put Oba over even more Listen, likely it'll work, but I appreciate him continuing to do it.

1:02:11Facts. But that goes back to what you were saying earlier in the show that he's a pro and people don't recognize because we just see the beast. He's a pro, too. You know what we should do? I can get this cleared, Kelly. I know my boss will be fine with it. We should re-air my Brock interview sometime from ESPN because there are not a lot of Brock interviews like that. It's like 30 minutes long. That's a classic, especially now with him retiring. I could add some new production around the front and the back of it, but we should rerun that whole interview. It's awesome. Let's go to Alex in Missouri who wants to keep the Oba Brock talk going.

1:02:45What's up, Alex? Hey, what's going on, guys? First time listener and first time caller here. Good to have you, buddy. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I just had one thing to say, but listening to that guy's cane take, I have two things to say. One, that cane take that he has. That stat guy. That stat guy, Greg. That stat guy. What did he call it? That guy. That guy. That guy. We should just. That's a perfect name. No, no, no. Well, listen, when stat guy is being that guy, then he's that guy, Greg. All right, go ahead, caller. What do you have? That's number one. Number two, your take about the Brock Oba and Hell in a Cell at Summer Slam night one.

1:03:30Somebody said that a lot of the people were upset due to the lack of blood. And I just wanted to say that a good Hell in a Cell match does not necessarily blood all the time. Like, we've looked at Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Undertaker at WrestleMania with Shawn Michaels as a guest referee. One of the top five best Hell in a Cell matches of all time. Yeah, and it did not need blood. And a lot of people don't realize that we're technically still in the PG era. Sure, we've pushed the lines a lot in the last few years, but we're still PG and we still have to have guidelines and say as to what can be aired on TV and what cannot be aired on TV.

1:04:25Listen, I appreciate the call, buddy, and I don't disagree with you. I think people do over sort of overstate the importance of the blood. I don't think it's always that important. I thought they really delivered, but I know there were some people who felt differently. Now let's go to Patrick who is in Canada. What's up, Patrick? Hey, how are you guys? First time caller. I'm listening to the stuff you're saying. It's pretty cool. I got a question to ask you. So, Oba Femi, I believe he'll be champion before the year. And the only reason why I'm saying that, because of Punk's contract expires in November.

1:05:04So, what if they put Oba Femi against Punk? He beats Punk, and then you have a brawn breaker, Oba Femi WrestleMania 43. Well, two things. One, that's a good call, man. Thank you for it. I appreciate it, Patrick. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the channel. Happy to have you. Number one, I don't think Punk is going anywhere right now. I think in spite of his deal coming up, Punk looks good. He's making a ton of money. You know, listen, I don't know if Punk has the same. Does he have the same enthusiastic step as he had the day he walked in the door? How many years have it been now, guys? We're going on three years.

1:05:43I think it is coming up on three years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm sure he's probably a little bit more weather than he was three years ago. but I'm guessing given where he is right now, he would try for one more extension would be my thought of a couple of years. However, I do not hate, and we saw them sort of sow some seeds this weekend on the post show. I don't know if you guys watch the SummerSlam post show, but Oba and Punk planted seeds. And I do not hate Oba beating Punk to save Oba Roman. Everyone is pushing. It's like, it's got to be Oprah Roman next. Mania, mania. I don't know that it has to be.

1:06:22What, SGG? Why are we breezing past Kevin Owens? Like, Kevin Owens is CM Punk. He won the number one contendership. Go ahead. That story is set to officially begin tonight when they go face to face. That could be the best. And look, since Punk's been back, right? Every variation of his storylines has been a version of, I hate CM Punk because Kevin Owens chapter of this Oh, it's going to be good Could be the definitive best one Why are we breezing past it to say Oba's going to face Punk for the championship in November It could be Kevin Owens It's one of your best points I am legitimately psyched to watch that promo war and you're absolutely right It could be Kevin Owens I'm going with what's on paper right now Okay, that's fair And with what's on paper and given what happened the other night where Oba said, you think you drop pipe bombs or whatever you do?

1:07:22Those bombs don't affect Obafemi. Like, I was like, okay. It just got me hyped for the possibility of it. And I just think this whole audience deciding, like, we've made up our minds. It's Oba versus Roman at WrestleMania. Thank you. See you in Riyadh. Like, nah, bro. Let's see where the story goes. maybe it's have you ever thought that oba has a long career ahead of him and there is a way for oba to ascend potentially that is not just him immediately beating roman reigns right you know what i'm saying so let's just see where it goes people have not thought about that all right we're gonna try to get to steve we have eddie we have bill in toronto um so many things to do also guys i gotta get into i went to a wwe live event last night and i have to break it down for you because if you're a hardcore wrestling fan, I don't know if you know this about myself, SGG, and Dip, we love wrestling.

1:08:16We think it's absolutely great. And it's at its pinnacle of greatness when you go to a non-televised event. And I was reminded of that last night, not only by getting to see the show, but getting to see it through the eyes of my brother, who is back as a fan, and his kids, who walked away as fans. We'll do that next right here on GP Live, WWE Radio. Hey, WWF fans, you can make any occasion a special occasion when World Wrestling Federation superstars make a personal phone call to anyone you want by name. WWF greetings on call. Hey, who wouldn't want to get a call from the bad guy? It's fun for all ages when a WWF superstar sings happy birthday.

1:09:00Congratulations, get well, happy anniversary, or just delivers a special friendship. And like I said before, I'm the best there is, the best there was, and... Hello? Hey, Owen. This is Fred calling. Kids, you must be at least 18 years old or have your parents' permission before calling. You can hear the melodious sounds of the Macho Man, too, yeah.

1:09:36Welcome back to Cheap Heat Live on WWE Radio. Here's your host, Peter Rosenberg. Cheap Heat Live on WWE Radio. I am a nerd and I love doing things like this. I love bringing a microphone to a live event and giving you observations on what has taken place. And I wanted to do that because I had not been to a live event in the U.S. for WWE in some time. So first of all, if you're just tuning in, welcome to the program. SGG and Dip here today, et cetera, et cetera. Lots of SummerSlam to break down and an aftermath. So many different things to get into. But long story short, I'm going out of town tomorrow.

1:10:23And I had to link up with my family to handle some dog care situations. so I figured when my brother mentioned that he wanted to go to a live event in Fairfax Virginia I thought I think I'm gonna just go down there and go so I made the trip and went to the live event now or house show as they were known non-televised live event so So a couple of things to keep in mind here to understand these live events. Number one, we know that these came back recently. They were not doing a lot of these. I think specifically like this sort of run in the summer, I do not think had been in the plans as of recent.

1:11:16They had kept some of the like Christmas time shows in recent years, but you had not been getting shows like this. and so I was very curious to what kind of show we were going to see a couple of things it let me cut to it they're as great as ever they are if you love pro wrestling and we love pro wrestling we we think it's great in case you didn't know here on GP live we love pro wrestling we think it's the best uh but this is the pinnacle of it the pinnacle of the lot of of wrestling of WWE is the non-televised event. And it's hard to even put your finger on exactly what makes it so special. But there's something about when the cameras go off and the lighting goes down and the pyro goes away and you just get to see the guys and girls in the ring and the ring announcer, who was Sarah Schreiber last night, did a great job, and the referees, and you just get to see everyone do their work.

1:12:20it reminds you why we love this craft as much as we do um so they started the match off uh six woman tag Chelsea new champ Chels um Tiffany Stratton the IC champs you and me and Charlotte against Fatal Influence um that's how we started with champ Chelsea ending up hitting the unprettier and scoring the pin. Chelsea is ove like rove. Another note from that match. Great to see Charlotte super over in that setting. And really baby-facing. Like, Charlotte was just, you know, taking pictures, signing autographs, just being a super baby-face, and the crowd eats it up. You know, and that's another thing about the live events.

1:13:12Whoever comes out first, there's always a fun reaction. The Eagle Bank Arena, or as it used to be known, the Patriot Center is the on-campus arena for George Mason University all right so I'd say it's in the range of like a 5 ,000 seater my brother saw clips there if that gives reference for anyone back in the day I saw Jamiroquai there in like 1997 so like it's a good size venue but it's small you're talking about 5 ,000 so it's a nice size venue but wouldn't be one that they would use for WWE television at this point they would only use it for a live show so that's the vibe light super dark which I love at the live events and that's how we got started with the ladies and again Chelsea super over Charlotte all of them um fatal influence doing a nice job and it was fun to watch them because the fact of the matter is one of the reasons that you've heard about the return of the live events is for people like fatal influence you know is that people want young talent like that to have an opportunity to to work um and they did did a great job so then i believe immediately after that uh ms comes out ms cuts a promo um on the crowd doing some classic heel ms work by the way he's so good at it man like he's just so good it's just fun to watch ms at this stage of his career where like to think of that there being this time when he was viewed as this you know pariah because he came from reality tv and now he's like a 20-year vet and it was just great to watch him so he comes out does an open challenge after healing off in the crowd dan hausen's music hits dan hausen comes out miz ends up attacking dan hausen before any sort of matches made beats him down oba music hit place goes absolutely bananas oba comes out miz is terrified when the ref signals to ring the bell ms grabs the ref's hand to not let him ring the bell which i loved by the way that was a fun fun little move and so he refuses to let the ref ring the bell um so dan hausen grabs the bell and rings it himself immediately ms into the corner flying uppercuts from Oba one after another fall to grace um good night good night that's it uh Miz is squashed Oba celebrates while he's hitting the Oba pose Danhausen crawls through his legs and then matches the pose with him at which point uh Oba looks over and kind of notices him and gives him like a smirk and they dap each other up and walk out to big applause.

1:16:29Everybody's happy. It was it was a really fun, really fun little moment there where Oba doesn't have to do a lot of work, but it's work that's important, you know, and just getting seen by people at this stage when he is in the process of becoming this megastar just being able to like dude it blew people's minds I feel like to get to see Oba at this moment in time in that size venue and then personally I just pop big time to to see Oba and Dan Housen share this moment together when they're both so over but in such different places like we haven't associated Dan Housen and Oba in any way whatsoever.

1:17:16So to see them near each other was just really cool. And again, add back to the list of reasons you love live events because they can try things out. They can do fun things that are just there to like, you know, pop the crowd. Um, and that was awesome. We get a tag title match. I will say this, a lot of title matches. There are my, my niece, my niece and nephew are on their way to college in two weeks they're 18 or in the next week um and my niece was like does everybody have a title i was like that's a funny question um no but yeah it does sort of feel like that there were titles galore tag titles on the line uh austin theory and braun breaker with maxine uh against the usos dude the usos the usos another act that in person just so fun obviously as we all know crowd is begging jay to run it back he does a whole gimmick where you know theory is going crazy getting angry at him eating but again to me what I love about this is just like getting to see for example you know theory in this spot getting to really work as a heel like on tv you just don't really have time like the way tv is produced these days the characters are like more serious or something and when you get to see them at the house show where we strip it down to the essence, the rawest form sort of of what pro wrestling is.

1:19:00You get to see these guys and girls do their work, like their true crowd work. And Theory was great, man. So was Braun. They were great, but I'll tell you, and we're going to spend more time on this. The MVP for me was Maxine. I mean, I do not know the last time that I saw a character change more simply by, you know, in other words, yes, the character changes, but being able to see their talent on a completely different level because the character changed. I don't remember the last time I noticed that. Like Maxine to me when I was watching her on the outside of the ring working as this like complete bad girl valet manager oh my gosh she's a different person she's unrecognizable she's so comfortable in that role and you know i'm not best friends with maxine dupree but in my many interactions with her over the years all i ever got was like sweet baby face of a human and to see her in that role and owning it oh man it was awesome to watch um so good uh really fun match um tag champs end up stealing the win I forget how but they did um but really really fun Uso's great in front of the crowd um of course then we get and I can't remember if this is before after intermission it might have been three before intermission I forget could be forgetting one then we get uh Ethan Page and Chad Gable.

1:20:39Gable Ove like Rove, dude. In case that surprises you. Oh, I know what I'm forgetting from the first half. I skipped Trick, Carmelo, and Baron Corbin. That was actually second. Fun match. Really cool getting to see Trick and Carmelo have some moments. You know, in the end, Baron ends up stealing the win after throwing Trick out of the ring and pinning Carmelo. Carmelo's such a star. We'll spend more time on that too, but Carmelo's such a star. So that was great too. So yeah, then after the brief intermission, consume some chicken tenders as needed. Again, you're at the George Mason place, so it's like not the most unaffordable thing.

1:21:20I was tempted to buy the program. I meant to actually buy one because they've updated it, and the picture of me is not horrible, but I did not get one. I think they want$20 for the program, which my brother thought was a good price. I can't decide. Like to me, 20 bucks for a program still seems really expensive, but like it is a big, like beautiful, glorious, like, you know, practically photo album with photos of great talent, such as Peter Rosenberg, Sam Roberts, Megan Morant and others.

1:21:56so you know obviously worth the purchase but my brother's making the point he's like hey man a New Yorker magazine these days is like$11.99 so is 20 for a program that bad again this is the world we live in that's how you have to view everything through the lens of what's the most obscenely expensive thing anyways people but I'll tell you what big line for merch and they didn't have a ton of merch it was a sort of modest merch selection and there was a huge line during the intermission come out of the intermission um get chad and ethan page ethan page another one who you're much more able to appreciate uh in person like getting to just watch him be a heel it really struck me that ethan page in so many ways is like a modern day lenny poffa it just in terms of like the obvious sort of heel that he is you know obvious into the name the pointing to his head it's all there like to just be a superb really straight ahead heel that you can boo and he did a great job of it uh chat over um they did love chad uh fun stuff trying to remember what the other thing was in the second half oh sorry and again prior to that there was a a war raiders sorry uh viking raiders um fraxium match fun stuff crowd was into it in the end we get our main which is a tag match gunther and ricky saints versus punk and cody um i was surprised at how over cody still was as a as a good guy i thought maybe you know especially given everything that's happened recently i don't know what i expected let me tell you at a live event in person and and i want to get into more about the cody character um and where i think it should go and where we all think it should probably go but man at a live event people still go crazy to hear that song and see cody rhodes punk same thing still you know just fun getting to see cm punk in wwe at a 5 000 seater live event uh really cool he grabbed the mic after they the baby faces won and afterwards grabbed the mic and you know sent a nice message to the crowd about cody but also about you know missing doing shows there I'm sure he's played in Fairfax many times One pet peeve I had I feel like sometimes the talent They're so all over the place And they're just going from one place to the next That they don't necessarily know Exactly where they are In other words, I don't know if anyone's had this experience At a show They kept referring to being in Fairfax, Virginia Like Fairfax Is where you are But that's a DC show That is a suburban DC show there were people who drove out there from dc who drove from maryland who drove from other places in virginia so they kept like talking to fairfax virginia as if that's where the people like are but it's not you really could just do jokes about dc or about northern virginia or the dmv and a few people made reference like to fairfax specifically and it was like you know Fairfax is a place of course it's a suburb of DC it's a pretty big suburb of DC I used to work there on the radio but like everyone who's there is just coming from all the suburbs that are around and from the city to be there sorry slight slight note there um but let me tell you the biggest takeaway I had from the the main it was getting to see Ricky Saints uh in person and at a live event I've never gotten to see Ricky Saints work a live event like that I don't even think I've seen Ricky Sainz wrestle in person.

1:26:01He was unreal. That is a true pro wrestler right there. Ricky Sainz had the crowd chanting Ricky sucks the whole building. For a guy who hasn't had that much TV and is relatively new to WWE to get that much heat, he was tremendous. He was absolutely tremendous. I was blown away. Gunther was great too. But to me, that was the Ricky Sainz show. He made that match. So, so fun. Anyways, overall, I know it's week two on WWE Radio, and this is the ultimate shilling, but I'm sorry. This is who I am. This is my life. 10 out of 10. If WWE is in your town with a non-televised live event, you go. My brother, I've been telling you guys, my brother's back into wrestling.

1:26:49He loved it. But my niece and nephew, who haven't been into wrestling, they loved it. Just a great, great time. Slam! Go shut up! Go shut up! Make sure you're good! Slam!