Rosenberg Down Under

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1:10Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, welcome, welcome to Cheap Heat Live Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 Series XF Channel 156. Welcome aboard. I'm your forever 24-7 champion, Worldwide P, a.k.a. Crocodile Dun P, coming to you live from down under in Perth, Australia, where Crown Jewel will go down tomorrow night or for you guys in the States tomorrow morning. We'll get into that and talk about the logistics of the show in a minute. But first, let me bring in from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the Physically Large Stack Guy, Greg SGG. How you doing? I'm doing great. What's the food like in Perth? Have you had like kangaroo and Vegemite sandwiches?

1:55Do I sound just completely ignorant? What's the situation? I don't know. I don't know if people are eating kangaroos like that. I know they have in our hotel. We have like a catering area, and there's definitely Vegemite spread. I don't like the sound of Vegemite. It sounds like termite. I don't like ites. I don't want ites. I don't like anti-Semites. I don't like termites. I don't like any of the ites, so it's not ending up on my bread. But I will say the coffee and baked goods here in Perth are tremendous. I'm enjoying some lovely croissants. Really? Got myself a nice cup of joe right now as we're doing the show because I got to stay up because, of course, it's 12 hours later here.

2:40So if you're listening to this on Friday, and it's noon on the East Coast, it's midnight Saturday in Perth. But, yeah, so far the food has been pretty good, but I still have some more I need to do. And also joining us for the first time in the Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 era, it's producer Emilio Sparks. Emilio, how are you? How are you, Peter? I just had to Google what Vegemite is, and apparently it's a dark yeast extract spread. Doesn't sound appealing. Yeah, no. People, it's like a salty, I heard it's like a salty-ish kind of spread. You put a little bit on bread And It's not good It doesn't sound good It's fortified with a lot of vitamins Such as riboflavin Well we're American So we don't want that We want the sweet stuff We want your high fructose corn syrup We want your real cane sugar If we're trying to keep it healthy We want that We don't want the fortified Iron riboflavin salty vegetable spread we don't want that yeah no we we're good on that fams um but yeah i for breakfast today i did i just had some eggs i had some uh bacon had a lovely little uh pastry took some uh bread and some and some peanut butter and jam on it some coffee and then i did something i've never done i sat and had a long one-on-one conversation with eric rowan oh that's my guy that's my guy you should tell him we're buddies i figured i figured he was your guy he he gave him guy vibes no i i call him big red big big red there you go because you know emilio refuses to call a worker by their work name you know that sgg he's got to have a nickname a government name yeah yeah his name is like todd or something you know emilio got all the secret password so I tried to figure out what what Eric Rowan's secret password was.

4:48No he's I will tell you though he's a GG we had a good talk I asked him if he had been to check out the Wyatt Six Horror Nights spectacular that they have in Orlando he said he had and thought it was pretty dope I want to try to check that out when I head down to Orlando for Evolve tapings next week I just don't know if I'm going to have time to and then we talked about travel and how different our experience is because for me guys the flight for me i i we said of course we were going to talk about the travel to australia we had to all right so leg one really really leg one and leg two are complete so so the let me just say to the point with eric rowan i was just talking about how different our experience is because he's a full foot taller than me and like a hundred pounds heavier so like he was just saying there's really no seat that's comfortable no matter how good the first class like at six eight three whatever he is it's just not really happening um but i will tell you guys the charter flight from dallas to sydney was 17 hours not a lick of internet when i say not a lick of internet i mean not a not a little nothing how is that possible you're this like bougie flight and they can't give you internet so apparently quantus airlines which is like the big australian airline great plane great seat great service great food they just do not have wi-fi on their planes yet it's very odd i don't i don't have an explanation um but i will tell you once i talked to natalie and like let her know like I'm going to be MIA like it made me a little nervous to be out of contact for that long with the baby like I just haven't experienced that yet so being out of pocket for 17 hours definitely made me antsy but once I accepted it yo guys when was the last time you were fully out of pocket on the internet for 17 hours for me it's been a long time yeah I've seen like even when even when you fly somewhere, it's eight hours, six hours, you have internet on the plane, or you get it the second you land.

7:06So to have almost a full day of there's no reason to open up social media, I gotta tell you, it was kind of satisfying. And I realized that if, and this is where Dip, I just don't relate to Dip, and his not caring about first class. When you have a nice, big, lie flat seat with, like, all the first class amenities in it, Guys, 17 hours really wasn't a big deal to me. And I decided early on I'm going to stay up for a few hours and then try to sleep. And so that's what I did. So I had the meal. The meal was all right. I fell asleep after that for like five hours. When I came out of my like five-hour slumber, they were walking around offering up steak sandwiches.

7:56What? Let me ask this. I said I'll take a steak sandwich thank you thank you Greg is like I want to go so bad to this chart of fall SGG is ready to go to Australia right now no but what I was going to ask you though when you woke up did you have all your belongings I saw you were sitting a little close for my comfort to the tribal thief so did you have did you wake up with all your belongings have you even checked that's a great point I believe I believe well listen all I had my Jordans were on my feet and then I really the only other shoes I had in my bag were some loafers and and one of those like um dad vibe workout shoes that I was you have the loafers and the dad vibe workout shoes yes they're all here so I was not I was not robbed everything was smooth I really I gotta tell you guys I did not mind I watched the show Black Rabbit I watched the entire season Oh that's the Jason Bateman Netflix show Yeah yo If you like Ozark It is the definition of Ozark Ajax Ozark Plus I don't know if Ozark By the way It might be plus You have to remember there's different Ozarks Ozark season 1 to me was Incredibly high level And then like by the time you got to the final Season of Ozark they had just done every gimmick there was so many times that it's hard to grade it in this in the same way um but it was very intense jason bateman in trouble show if you like that vibe from ozark okay because i was gonna say i don't want i don't want i know we shortened the words here i don't want to get it too wordy was it is it ozark season one plus ozark season one of jace Ozark season 5 plus I'd really have to go back in and look Now how much do you like Ozark is the question I've never seen it But I'm trying to help you sell this You've never seen Ozark?

10:01Never seen Ozark Not a single frame Amelia what about you? I know you haven't seen it either have you? No zero desire to watch it Don't really care I'm good Why are you getting anti-Ozark? I don't understand I think maybe I'm just not a Bateman guy. If I could be completely transparent, I just don't take the Bateman. I'm just not a Bateman guy. I feel Chad of Bateman. You know what it is? I think I was sour to Bateman because of the role he had in Juno. I just didn't like the character that he played. He's a great actor, but I think I was just sour after that. I was just like, I'm good on this guy.

10:42I'm all right. I'm good. That's fair. No, it's not. It's not because here's why it's not fun. It's like saying SGG. It's like being like, nah, like I don't like Gandolfini, but I've never, I never, I never watched Sopranos though. Should I watch that? Is that good? Because Jason Bateman, I really think Ozark kind of became the definitive moment of his career. Like five seasons, his show, he's the star and, and he's unquestionably been rejuvenated as an actor since that show. Wait, so a rest of development? didn't reduce his career Arrested Development is part one and then this is part two okay but you didn't you didn't like Arrested Development either no I watched it beginning to end just not for me I never tapped into Jason Bateman's TV I tapped into his movies but TV you don't know you know actually hold on but actually this is a crazy thing Emilio said he just said he watched the entire run of Arrested Development and didn't like it yeah I've never heard anyone say that why would you watch the entire run of a show and not like it because eventually i thought i would come around to it you feel me like okay maybe like maybe like the pilot's not good or maybe they really find their like vigor season two and they really get into the swing of things but no it just didn't fire on all cylinders for me it just and again i i know gonna be in the minority here just wasn't for me just wasn't did you watch it like week to week or did you watch it like binge it i binged i binged i was a binger and i just it just didn't hit the vein the way a sopranos would hit the vein for me was all in it's great but it was like the wire i mean boom yeah no but the arrested development is a different thing altogether it's a community unique form of comedy community i hit the community crack pipe boom i was hooked automatic not not into community it did not get me vibe wise i don't i'm not saying it wasn't like funny and didn't have like brilliance to it but so much of show is feel and like i don't know community is i gotta maybe i gotta revisit it but anyways sg i can't speak to amelio who has a personal issue with jason bateman who i believe from a q score standpoint would probably be as like on the low i think jason bateman's probably as well liked a celebrity as there is he he really like I think people just generally like Jason Bateman and if you've never seen it and you're looking for like a fun binge with the wife I think Ozark is a full go now some people I think think it's stupid I think it's awesome like it's just super intense and fun but anyways Black Rabbit's great as well so I made it to Australia it was 17 hours to Sydney five more hours to Perth um the first night i slept pretty well last night i fell asleep at 10 woke up at 2 and could not get myself back together no i did eventually i fought sgg i fought i eventually fell back asleep at like 4 4 15 and and got like another two hours because i knew i needed i knew all i needed to make it and be okay was to grab a couple more hours i just couldn't live off the 10 to 2 that's not did you have a call time for anything like that or was there any rehearsal anything no no i had no stress i had no stress thank god because that would be the worst that part bro but the craziest thing about this time difference is is when my alarm uh not when my alarm clock but i woke up when i popped up so i fell asleep at like 10 the first time i popped up it was only midnight i was like and i felt awake because midnight is noon at home yes so so i was like what the fuck it's only midnight so i pushed myself to get to get through it i wake up again at like 2 30 and i felt so rested like when i got up at 2 30 i'm like maybe i'm wrong and i just slept for like an entire day and i don't know it what is going on nope it had only been another two hours so anyways i'm fighting through it i hope that tonight when i sleep i i hope i just sleep through the night well you're taking naps that's what you're doing you're not doing anything else you're taking naps that's it i guess you're right you're taking naps but you're aiming it in the time slot where you should be sleeping here but for your body it's not what the time is and by the way if i talk to anyone about sleep and that person turns out to be Emilio Sparks.

15:25I'm in trouble. Just know. This is, yo, Emilio lives on Perth time all the time, okay? Every day of his life. I do want to tell everyone if you want to get one of the most random Patreon episodes of all time, go to PeteLive on Patreon. Myself and Rachel and Raquel Rodriguez wandering in Australia looking for Quokkas for an hour. If that is what you're looking for for your sorts of wrestling content um what's a quokka it is there for you um as you know what about the quokkas no i'm gonna send you i'll send something to the uh to the chat right now but quokkas are or quokka i don't know how you're supposed to pronounce it but they're like um they're they're like marsupials or rodents or something between them that are native to this area, particularly this one island off of Perth.

16:26And you can only really see them here. And they're just super cute and interesting. Wait, so was those the things on your Insta story before where they kind of look like rats the size of dogs? Hey, were those the dog rats? Is that what you was talking about? You got really close to those things and I'm like, nah, I'm good. It could have been a tight zoom on the phone. that ain't no tight zoom that was like he was all up in that shit no SGG I fed I fed them with my hands oh my god by the way and then Raquel Rodriguez hopefully you can hear it on the episode Raquel Rodriguez got straight Karen by someone excuse me you're not supposed to be feeding the quokkas we were at a restaurant it's outdoor seating These animals are everywhere.

17:20The reason people are there is to see them. And these quokkas that are at the restaurant happen to be the smartest quokkas on the whole island. So they're hanging out at the restaurant. That's why they're there. So I'm looking at the video you sent. This thing looks like a rat. And people are just hanging out, just dropping food, letting them scurry around their feet while they eat. Are you looking at the face? It does not look like a rat. Nah. The body, though. The body is like a possum rat hybrid. It looks like a kangaroo in the face, kind of. Nah. Not only does it look like a kangaroo in the face, but when they hop, it looks like a koala bear.

17:58Okay, but when they hop, they look like a little kangaroo. They're like a mix of every Australian animal. Nah, I'm skeeved out. I couldn't eat at this establishment. With these things hopping around underneath my feet, I'm good. I'm good. You know what? I can't argue against you. It's a totally reasonable point. but we had a great time and then um and i've never i've never hung out with raquel one-on-one in my life and we ended up taking a ferry out to this place we we searched for quokkas got ourselves some fish tacos then a seagull came and stole one of the fish tacos oh yeah it was it was an adventure is she a gg she is raquel is the the highest level gg you could you could be there's no one there's no there's no better great guy in the business today than Raquel Rodriguez she is awesome um originally it was going to be a bigger group there were other people all involved but then it got broken up some people went to go see the kangaroos and and we were committed to seeing the quokkas so that's what I'm saying the quokkas quokka flock of flame you gotta you gotta these are straight Perth so uh if you want it is though we talked about a lot of fun stuff even a little bit of wrestling but mostly just life stuff um like she's a really open interesting person and as you guys may or may not know she went through a lot in the last year with her her skin health which is now like doing much better and so she's just in a really great place so if you just want to hear a really like casual hangout between myself and Raquel for an hour we're gonna have that up it's up right now on the patreon all right we got to get into crown jewel and everything that's been going on in the world of wrestling in the last couple of weeks we have not done a bit of that yet we're going to do it um i am in australia of course in beautiful perth very very interesting town this perth uh i've only gotten to explore a little bit but i'm going to try to do a little bit more before this whole trip wraps up in a couple of days but guys without any further ado we we don't know exactly what's going to happen on smackdown of course but we do know that crown jewel is saturday uh that's tomorrow to you and me now it's 8 a.m eastern time so guys i guess that means it's an 8 p.m bell here in perth i'm guessing that was my game and that's well i guess i should say this matter of factly that means it's an 8 p.m bell um because it is 12 hours later uh here in perth so i guess the logic was go with the 8 p.m start time so you could at least get it up to 8 a.m.

20:36on the east coast and hope to get some people who want to watch live um it's streaming of course on espn unlimited uh we know that now of course they decided to you know we didn't think it was happening till the start of the year but then it started with wrestlepalooza so it'll be streaming live on espn um in the u.s and netflix internationally now amelio there's a chance you're always still awake at 8 a.m that's on the table so i'll say this to sgg uh sgg will you set an alarm and wake up to watch crown jewel or is it wake up when you wake up and throw it on it's probably going to be wake up when i wake up and throw it on and even now what is your usual what's your wake-up time though on a saturday though my wake-up time on a saturday is like 9 30 believe it or not like okay just from the week i get held over into waking up early on the saturday but that's not really that early to start a day i don't think i was about to say sg oh oh man we got to talk it's for you're you're 40 9 30 is no longer early that's that's just called the air quality is great yeah over the over the radio if you listen to a series you didn't catch that but i did if you're watching our video i did throw up the air quotes with early okay i i get it i get it right right but greg really doesn't have any responsibilities like you have child and a dog greg just has himself because he's greg like there's nothing he could just get up when he wants he could sit down have a delicious meal maybe go back to sleep take a little nappy like saturdays are for greg whether or not crystal wants to do anything greg's making the decision he's like you know what i gotta chill for a little while you gotta you just stay out the way and hope you don't start something so yeah stay out yeah now but i'll just say this i spent like many many years uh since i started doing mornings when the weekend would come i'd be able to sleep to like 10 10 30 11 even like i would really sleep in on the weekend um and bear does always get me up to feed him but i'll feed him at 6 a.m it takes five seconds and i fall right back to sleep till whenever i wake up but the reason i made the reference to 40 is I feel like around five six seven years ago is when the whole like sleeping past 10 thing just ended it just I don't know why I lasted a long time of of like sleeping late and then at some point like now on a weekend let's say Natalie handles the baby I feed bear at six I go back to sleep I still feel like when I sleep and I'm up at yeah nine like it ends up being nine a lot like that's a good that's still a pretty good snooze even 8 30 i'm not mad at you know what i mean um but it's it is that is 40s life so it'll be interesting to see who decides to get up and watch the show particularly funny because we're doing a countdown show i mean i came out here guys to do the countdown and the post show now the countdown show is going to be one of the least watched countdown shows of all time because you got to remember from a from american you know america and united states of america i mean centric point of view north america south america this region sure but you gotta think right there are people in the uk and asia europe other parts of europe africa passionate wwe fans who have been waiting for a ple this time of day so like it could even out it could bump up we really don't know what those numbers are gonna look like but just because you very interesting point doesn't mean that you are just playing to to the thunderdome you're gonna have that is right the wwe fans in new zealand finally get to see Mixie P on their time.

24:33Seriously. No, it's, by the way, though, so I guess it's, so this will be like a 3 p.m. start or something in the UK. So all across Europe, you'll have two, three, four o 'clock afternoon starts. Africa, it'll be, you know, evening time. It's a great point. Asia. So, like, it actually will, that is a really interesting point But from an international standpoint, it really does work nicely for people. Now, I will say this, though. The post show, because this show will air in the U.S. from 8 a.m. to 11 a.m. That post show may be cracking off, though, after people wake up. Easy. Midnight some places, you know, late afternoon, early evening.

25:19The post show is going to be lit. No disrespect to anybody else that's performing. you got the sports center slot saturday morning college game day you're before college game day you're the lead in no it's a it's a it's a good spot you're not right and not wrong and my guess is this is completely a prediction but i'm guessing we'll have john cena on that show because we didn't get to have him last time because he had the brock match and you know you can't go do an interview after brock beats you to death but i have to imagine it whatever happens with AJ Styles and we can talk about that right now my feeling is Cena wins this match my guess is Cena will then come and talk afterwards now would you guys agree AJ has beaten Cena in some big spots before I think this is a you get a nice John Cena bounce back signature win SJG what do you think yeah I agree like you said AJ's beaten Cena in some big spots before but cena i think the last time they went one-on-one cena won cena made history with 16 he's off of a strong year for him even though people we're not really feeling the heel run where he won his 17th championship sure he's lost to brock but he's done that before he's gonna come back bounce back he's gonna beat aj styles and then we're gonna see the john cena that people have been have been missing so aj's do you remember when aj's big uh catchphrase was beat up john Cena I do I loved it I loved it I do my good brothers were with them yes the good brothers were with AJ and that's when AJ turned heel and I actually have a drop my drop that I have from AJ Styles for my radio show is him saying this is the phenomenal AJ Styles blah blah I'm here in New York City this weekend I'm going to do what I do best beat up John Cena his heel run completely underrated like i don't think people give aj styles the credit he deserves for that heel run he also had in the heaters and gallows and anderson just being the proverbial shits there is that they are like the whole thing just worked and i was always upset that they never pulled the trigger on giving us the wwe version of the bullet club because i i think it was there at the time because you had you had uh finn balor you had aj styles and you had the good brothers where they really could have ran shop and we're seeing it now factions are running smackdown and raw and you know parts of nxt where that that faction would have did so well in this era if they just were were here now because you had to offset them again what do you mean why would you disagree about that i'm glad they didn't do it i'm glad they didn't do it it would have been derivative it would have just opened them up to comparisons unnecessarily like for example right aj styles and nakamura they had a a banger at wrestle kingdom five-star classic and then when people saw on paper that we were getting aj styles and nakamura again they were fighting the ghost of their past success and the match just didn't live up to it and i think that we saw with the nwo when they brought over hogan hall and nash it was the core three that people loved and even that it the same thing they were fighting the ghost of their past success lost again the wwe version of nwo just didn't live up to it um and that was coming off the attitude era he had all the pieces in play he had the rock still he had stone cold still wwe was still hot and the nwo couldn't be as big as they were in that era so dropping the bullet club on events that everybody felt like was out of touch lost his way and then hoping that they could recapture the magic in wwe i don't i just don't think it was going to happen i hear what you're saying because it does seem like a lot of the things that are seemed that seem cool elsewhere whether it's international or aw when you bring it here and it gets the big corporate push of it it it's it is hard to make it live up to what people wanted and there's also just a built-in like You can't please the hardcore fans.

29:38The fans who really love the Bullet Club, a lot of them are the same kind of fans that are apt to dislike it when it's the WWE version. Now, the John Cena, AJ Styles record is Money in the Bank 2016, AJ won. SummerSlam 2016 beat up John Cena, AJ won. Rumble 2017, John Cena wins his 16th title beating AJ Styles. and then John beat him in 2018 on an episode of SmackDown. So they're 2-2. This is the fifth singles match between John Cena and AJ Styles. I got to tell you, I always say this. It's almost boring at this point, but I really mean it. I was convinced we would never get AJ Styles in WWE. So the fact that not only did he come here, but when John Cena is having his final run, it was imperative that he get a match with AJ Styles.

30:37That's still a cool thing that I can't believe. But they have a lot of history, though, too. This is the fifth time that they're wrestling, and I think it probably means more than when they fought each other for the WWE Championship. This is one of John Cena's last matches, and to be asked to do it and want to do it and how they went about it on social media, you know i think there's a lot more bragging rights to say if if i'm aj styles you know i beat john cena on his way out you know whether or not he's the he's not going to be the last opponent but he's one of the last opponents to say that you know he had john cena looking up at the lights that's a braggadocious thing to say like i went over on john cena so the flip side flip side is true too because rumors the rumors are that aj styles or like i said the rumor is that aj styles is going to be retiring uh at some point next year so this is also one of aj styles last matches and so i think john cena wants to make that same claim that like when i went out i got one over i got the last one over on the phenomenal one i just think it's cool that they even have a rivalry is my point like it was such a wild like seeing him in the ring at the first at the same time together and now when you go back and see early AJ in WWE like he still very much looked like AJ from TNA TNA yeah you know like he was just he was just I mean listen AJ you know it's an interesting conversation maybe one worth having today considering the TNA NXT showdown and everything's been happening with TNA is AJ Styles the greatest TNA superstar of all time there's three for me that make up that specific era of tna when it was incredible right i don't mean specific era i mean i mean oh all time yeah yeah i would say so he carried that promotion on his back for a very very long time and then when he left and started to go on his independent run when he had his two iwgp title runs they felt that loss without him so aj yeah Samoa Joe and Kurt Angle, even though Kurt was already a made man by the time he got there, because they were rocking on all cylinders at one point like that.

32:59They were really telling great stories. They were having incredible matches. Their mid card was super strong, like their secondary and tertiary championships. While the names kind of been a little rip hug, ultimately the matches and who was champions at those specific times were very good. I mean, they had a very strong tag division where you saw Motor City Machine Guns and Beer Money. They were cracking off. But yeah, but in that main event title picture, you had AJ Styles, you had Samoa Joe, and you had Kurt Angle. Like, that was the triad of just good. That's the thing that makes AJ so – such a perfect pick for this greatest TNA wrestler of all time, though, because it wasn't just the main event.

33:39He was all up and down that card, and he made it all matter. He did everything. He was Ultimate X. You know, he was even when they were before they even had their own championship. He was NWA champion when they were still doing NWA TNA. But I think what really solidified AJ Styles to come to WWE was the two runs in New Japan pro wrestling. Well, listen, it's a very fun conversation. The who are the greatest TNA superstars of all time. I think you make a great case for those three. I think obviously I think Sting was super important. Abyss. Abyss is big. There's a lot of, honestly, as you go through up and down, I mean, you can even argue the Christopher Daniels of the world.

34:27There are a lot of people who really put in a lot of great work there and deserve their flowers. Listen, the Dudleys, Team 3D were big there. There was a lot of people who did big stuff there, but I think it's AJ and Samoa Joe to me are the two most fundamental guys because they became stars in TNA. Kurt Angle's career and Hall of Fame career is 100 % locked and certified without TNA. AJ Styles and Samoa Joe are basically the logo. You know what I mean? Like when I think all time. And that's saying that in the middle of what is a really cool run right now, which we'll get into. We'll talk some about that next.

35:08And we got to finish going through the card and we'll get to the mailbag as well. It is Cheap Heat Live. Dip is off this week. We've got producer Emilio Sparks hanging out. SGG, it's Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Stalk chocolate reason. If you like chocolate, then you'll love reason. Extra chewy chocolate caramels covered with a rich chocolate coating. Welcome back to Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Peter Rosenberg, SGG. Our producer Emilio is here this week. Dip is jet setting, handling BI. And I am here in Perth, Australia, where tomorrow I will do the countdown show.

35:48I guess at 6 a.m. Eastern time, 6 p.m. local here in Australia. Of course, you can watch it all on ESPN Unlimited. Now, so far we know we have Cody and Seth. And that match for the crown jewel championship, of course, is respectfully. whatever but they're clearly making this a big moment for Seth and the relationship with Paul Heyman and the vision um and guys it does seem like there seem to be some mixed feelings out there in the world about how this whole vision thing is going and what the future holds for the vision so sgg let me ask you uh who do you think who do you think wins this match uh at crown jewel i think seth wins this match um at crown jewel i think i know we say this all the time like oh this person needs it but it's not really that seth needs to win i think it's that cody needs to lose because cody is running the risk of not getting stale but i mean you know You can't just keep racking up these wins.

37:06He's the good guy. His story has to be interesting. And the way you make that interesting is some meaningful losses at the right spots that don't hurt him at all. And I think this is exactly going to be one of those spots. This is the perfect opportunity. So I think he needs to lose for his character. And then, of course, what that does for Seth is I don't think it makes him this all-powerful being, this leader of the vision. but it does give him a little bit of his swagger that we saw was wavering on Monday like he needed Heyman to talk him up and like you know try to try to restore some confidence I think a win does that yeah I view it from the other standpoint of it being more important if you will for Seth than it is for Cody at this moment I just think if Seth doesn't get sort of an emphatic win first of all it's four straight losses to cody rhodes and i just think you added live events 22 yeah not 22 shows how shows don't count you know it's back it doesn't count but i'm just saying it just it just adds to the desperation though it's not just for and seth hasn't beaten him anytime no that's crazy that is crazy um so yeah i do think that the seth thing needs it you know like seth was just so smoking hot coming out of the cash in and you know the the tag match was a fun thing but let's be realistic guys the wrestlepalooza thing was much more about aj lee than anything else right yeah seth seth was kind of the background on that which is why i popped on the post show when him and Cody had that stare down to lead to this and I do think when we talk about all the exciting rivalries that exist in WWE today when it comes to actually great matches to back up that rivalry Seth and Cody offer something tremendous like they're they are just good together in the ring and I would love to see Seth get a couple W's back on Cody Rhodes to make this thing mean a little bit more.

39:18Amelia, are you in lockstep with me and SUG? You like Seth to win? I definitely want Seth to win because I feel like he's been drifting. And like you said, Wrestlepalooza was more about the return of AJ Lee and people wanted to see her and Becky mix it up more than anything else. So I feel like he's been drifting in regards to importance. He shouldn't be because I think he should be the focal point since he is the world heavyweight champion. And it doesn't feel like that. It always feels like he plays second fiddle to whoever is there, whether it's CM Punk, whether it's Roman Reigns. And yeah, I think a lot is riding on him and his boys because if he doesn't, if he loses a fifth time, I don't think the bronze will look at him as a leader.

40:01I think they'll just be like, all right, we're going to go off and do our own thing now because you can't get the job done. If anything, we protect you. You don't lead us. We're making sure you stay world heavyweight champion. No, I feel that. It's a very legit point. Now, speaking of, by the way, the Bronson Reed of it all, SGG, you've been candid about your tribal chief, a man who you admire greatly, who we've talked about, how incredible he is. I told you guys is the aura is on 10 ,000. How do you feel about another match? A quote, Australian street fight, which does feel like the laziest stipulation possible when we're coming up with something.

40:51Just throw random country or city in front of the word street fight. But how do you feel about another Bronson Reed Roman Reigns? What's not to like? This is like, look, this is a rivalry. I know people are like, oh, they did it Now they're doing it again And for me, it's always been like Yeah, that's how you build a rivalry That's how you give them a history That's what makes the next match If they get to it next month Next year Or a few years from now These are the moments that's going to go in that video package I don't need the random one-off Here and then another one That's not a story This feels like A rivalry and not to mention with war games right around the corner this australian street fight is perking my antennas up that maybe this is gonna be we're gonna get an angle of some sort with this match that's gonna see these two men on opposite teams what the rest of that team looks like i don't know it's because it's easier to fill out on bronson reed's side obviously seth rollins is there Bron Breaker's there maybe Brock Lesnar's there he's been talking to Heyman he's been chirping in Heyman's ear maybe Brock Lesnar's there I don't know but I like this I like this because that's what you want you want to see your guy on a PLE this late in the year because it's going to flow into the rumble and it's going to flow into mania and that means he has a rival for mania season whether or not that ends up being his mania opponent it doesn't matter but you never want to be left thinking damn what's going to happen to my guy at mania and roman still has his rivals it could be braun breaker next he could be ready for seth rollins around that time but i'm good with it i have to imagine that we get a good old solid clean win for roman reigns in which he does not get beat down at the end of this match it cannot end again with another beat down of roman reigns and him getting stretchered out after five tsunamis.

42:57It can't happen. That's what happened last time. He got the good, clean win. He just had to take the good with the bad. Or as they say in Chicago, you got to take the bitter with the sweet. He had to take the beat down too. He got the win. I would like to see if he can not get stretched out. Maybe we'll trade it off for an L. He just takes an L. I don't have to see my tribal chief get beat down again. I don't know. But Roman Reigns getting put on a stretcher and then out for a couple more weeks on TV does more for Bronson Reed than a win for Roman Reigns. So I got to go Bronson Reed. I would love to see Bronson beat him.

43:29I think we should finish off the crown jewel, and I want to jump into the mailbag a little bit. We talked about Cody and Seth. You have Stephanie and Tiffany. Guys, I'd like to see Stephanie Vaqueror win this match as well and continue her quest to just be one of the top, top people in all of WWE. Does anybody disagree with that, SG? No arguments for me. I mean, I think I feel like this is one of those matches where, of course, she's going to win. Not that she has to, but it just feels that just feels like an, of course, Stephanie Viqueira is going to win. Emilio, you with us on this? Yeah, no, she's red hot right now.

44:12I think what she's done in the seven months that she's been with WWE, she held the two championships in NXT, and now she's WWE. women's champion um she's over like rover man so as much as i love tiffy time uh it's stephanie's time and and that's it so yeah like you want to talk about probably like a quintessential woman on the roster right now it like you you called it though how many months ago did you call it that she was going to be as mage as mage can be i think like four months ago now maybe yeah months ago yeah and this is before she has it all too it was it was i believe just pre-champ champ and she has just been on an absolute run she has everything there is to have and listen tiffany stratton um has a very bright future and this has been a hell of a run for her i i think tiffany's character i've said this before too i think tiffany needs a little more I think some losses some depth to the character I think it is very hard being sort of this perfect seeming baby face champion whose main thing is really pointing to her wrist and yelling what time is it it's very hard to tell me what more her character is right now except prettiest moonsault ever and what time is it Now, those are two very cool things to have.

45:41And she is athletically, guys. Tiffany Stratton is super gifted. You know what I mean? She is going to be a really good entering wrestler. I think she's just sort of, I think Tiffy's sort of just cracking the surface on who she can be in the ring. But I really do feel that like this character at this stage with this little sort of time in the game and this much success, guys, it's just screaming to be a heel. and actually I wouldn't hate her healing off on Stephanie in this match like I would not hate this being the moment where Tiffany becomes that guy right now against Stephanie who's so loved and I think it would be a great thing for Tiffany Stratton at some point guys it's going to turn to boo birds you know we were she was at a point of being over where when it was her and Charlotte everyone was just crushing Charlotte and all about Tiffy since then I would push you and say how has the character grown and developed she's gotten signature wins but the character doesn't have the depth I'd love to see her go on a good heel run maybe starting tomorrow at Crown Jewel yeah I agree and I feel like Tiffany is only baby face next to Charlotte that's the only place where that character can be old Charlotte too maybe not maybe not even right now Charlotte I was gonna say play as Tribune hard on her sleeve Charlotte Tiffany doesn't want to stand next to her either it's like you said those bluebirds are going to sing and yeah it's just it feels like her character is shallow a little bit vapid self-absorbed and none of that translates to babyface she can be exactly who she is if they commit to her being a heel character but if they want her to be babyface I agree with you, P.

47:29They got to give her a little bit more, whether it's personality, whether it's a little bit more depth or, you know, vulnerability. She needs more because at this surface level that we're getting right now, this tip of the iceberg personality, we're not we're not going to it's not baby face. well she's a tweener right in regards to what her character is and it doesn't necessarily translate well when you're you're pushing her as this ultimate baby face and and i got to agree with p because there is more depth for her when she was in nxt and she was just this mega rich spoiled brat heel that everybody wanted to beat up and you know you're not seeing that here we saw that for like a glimpse before people really just got into the physical attributes of what she was doing in the matches that she was having.

48:19And I think that's the issue now is you see that there is no real depth to her, her character and who she is and why she is. And Greg, you're right. You put her against the Charlotte Flair. People were just going to boo Charlotte Flair because it was the thing to do because the internet doesn't like Charlotte Flair. So we're going to cheer Tiffany Stratton. My question to you, and I would love to know this, who takes the championship off Tiffany Stratton? I thought it was going to be Jade Cargill. That didn't happen. Me too. I think one of the underrated moments that kind of slipped under the radar was Jade Cargill losing clean to Tiffany Stratton.

48:55Like that, that to me, and listen, I, both of them are young in their wrestling careers. Both of them have a lot of growing to do, but Jade Cargill by, by virtue of the kind of physical specimen she is, I just think her losing clean in singles matches should be really, really rare. You know, it's funny. Speaking of which, I saw my algorithm today fed me a clip I had never, I don't think I'd ever seen. Have you guys seen the clip of Bobby Heenan talking about how bad they messed up the booking of Goldberg by having him lose? I saw that clip within the last week. Also, my algorithm threw that to me too.

49:35So whoever uploaded that, shout out to you because I - Yeah, shout out to you. It's doing the round. and and and they know how to they know how to find the right people but it's interesting for a couple of reasons one i never heard anyone specifically point out heenan being like and his name is goldberg he's jewish think about all the advertising executives who are jewish they could have done so much with that he was like and he was like really blunt in a very bobby heena way and by the way he's a hundred percent right like it is very that is very smart business because I think there were a lot of Jewish people at the time who were like, oh my God, wow, a wrestler named Goldberg?

50:11This is crazy. But he was also making just the bigger point about how there was so much more to do by having the winning just continue, SGG. Yeah, and look, I know for some of the I guess Gen Z wrestling fans who might be listening, maybe even the younger millennials, hearing us not be offended at all by the fact that Bobby Heenan so openly, bluntly said, look, he's Jewish, advertising executives might identify with that we could do something with that the history of pro wrestling is right like bruno sammartino held that title for almost 20 years because the italians would go to madison square garden and when it was time to flip it it was because they put it on a puerto rican because the puerto ricans was there too so this idea of somebody who has a strong cultural connection and background taking the title and running with it it's not that far-fetched and And from a business sense, they did that a lot.

51:07Right. But even strip aside the business aspect, he was red hot. They took the championship off of him too soon. There was so much more story to tell. He could have been the NWO. By the way, hold on. SGG, by the way, Emilio already seems like he's Vince Russo. This particular topic and the animation that he's going to is like you literally just transformed into Vince Russo in one second. Sorry. And you keep you's got to keep going. This is what I'm saying, bro. They should have never took the championship off of him, bro. Goldberg, bro, was red hot, bro. I said it. I said it, bro. I told them, bro.

51:52Bro, they should have never did it, bro. I was writing the book for him, bro. I didn't want to take it off of him. Nash pulled me into a corner, bro, and told me, bro, if I don't do it, he's going to kick the shit out of me, bro. I don't want to do it, bro. But, yeah, now listen, and I think he is being a little bit exaggerated by saying he should have went to 2000. Yeah, 2000. It's a bit much. It's a bit much, Bobby, although you could just lie because, listen, they lied with the number they had in the first place. Right. Of course. But it was just an interesting point. And I see Jade Cargill in a lot of ways in a similar fashion to how one would see Goldberg.

52:29And SGG, we've been talking about this. I like the idea of booking Jade just hammering people. So by the time she gets to that championship match, you're just going, I cannot picture her losing. so when for example if jade never loses and you you have her beat up every week she's beating up maxine dupree she's beating up natty she's beating up nikki cross she's beating up b fab she's beating up everyone there is to beat up right in quick fashion then you let her have a couple of bigger ple matches against people higher up you see her beat up a bailey you see her beat up becky Lynch you get to the point where when she has a match against whoever's champion at the time whether it's Stephanie Vaqueror whether it's Tiffany Stratton Rhea Ripley Bianca you just go something's got to give because Jade Cargill is not losing I think that makes her become must-see TV and I think they've really done a disservice to her incredible physique and athleticism by letting her be this sort of scrapper with people.

53:41It doesn't really make sense. She could get there eventually where she has wars with Rhea Ripley and Bianca Belair, but I just think she needs to go on a run, and I'm going to keep beating this drum because I think it's important. She needs to go on a run of complete and utter dominance, and again, that just takes me back to the Tiffany Stratton match at SummerSlam. No big deal, prettiest moonsault ever, 1-2-3 on Jade Cargill. To me, that was just a, I don't know, it kind of feels like old school booking in like the Tiffany Stratton came up in our system. Jade Cargill came from elsewhere. Let's give a win to the WWE system.

54:21But the truth is, if that was the logic, and I'm making that up, it would be faulty logic anyone because in the long run, respectfully, and I say this as someone who enjoys AEW, no one's going to even really remember her AEW run. She she's basically Jade's going to end up being what feels like a WWE star in the first place. She had such a limited run on AEW. When you really think about it, it was a couple of years, mostly on Rampage. And was it pre-collision or collision to it? It was it was it was collision as well. Yeah. And collision as well. She's been most of her time, not on Wednesdays, but mostly not on Wednesdays, which was a mistake.

54:57She would do more promos on Wednesdays with Smart Mark Sterling, where she was doing that bit show and she was doing cut the shit. That's when she got called a heifer. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But, you know, I think Collision and I think Rampage were the perfect place for her because she could grow and she could have the matches that she needed to. And they were quick, but she did it. No, no, they did it exactly right. They did it exactly right, Emilio. But in the long run, in five years from now, people aren't even going to really remember that she's an AEW person because she seems so WWE because they didn't utilize her in the biggest way on AEW.

55:34this is where I'll push back with that. If WWE does it right and makes her a juggernaut right now, and she goes through people, because I looked at her cage matches, she's lost more than she's won this year. You got to go all in with her. And if you don't go all in with her and make her the threat, because that SmackDown women's division's ripe for the taking, it could be her division. You know what? If you don't want to put the world championship on, let her go against Julia and make her United States champion, because that belt has no relevance right now. So it's like, you know what? Let's start to put some onus on that belt.

56:06Jade, that would be the perfect belt for Jade. And then that can set her up to if not now, when does she become world champion? I agree. I'm down for a title on her at the very least, though. Can we just start getting her some W's? It's just I know I know it's not the be all end all. I know it's not the be all end all. But I do think in this case it would it matters. we also of course have Asuka and Kairi Sane versus Rio Rhea and Io Sky that should be a fun matchup I don't particularly have a thought on who's going to win that match I don't either I don't know yeah I don't really have frankly I don't know how much it matters but it should be a really entertaining matchup I mean listen there's no title implications in here you know listen I'm not Dipperstein who's going to go I just don't get it guys I just do not understand.

56:58I tried. I thought I explained it so eloquently. You did. That's the funny part is too much detail. You gave him too much detail. You needed to keep it to like three words. He needs detail because he wants stories. So I'm laying out the fucking story for Dipperstein. They only heard us on the show last week with Dipperstein saying how he doesn't understand anything. They don't realize that two days earlier, your man Emilio sent an entire blow by blow of the entire story to the group chat. so not only does Dipperstein probably not pay attention to the show when it's airing but also couldn't even get through the text messages while paying attention so he gets on the air and just goes I I don't understand I don't I don't get it Emilio don't don't worry it's it's a rite of passage because the same thing has happened to me with many a storyline I gotta tell you guys Dipperstein is a really in real life like in real life dealings with dip as my manager.

57:52He is very selfless, and because of the nature of our relationship where he works for me and just the kind of friend that he is, it's a very selfless relationship where a lot of the focus is on me, and I appreciate that and don't take it for granted. When it comes to wrestling, Dip is the most self-involved, self-important person I've ever talked to. every opinion that he has is only wrapped up in his little tiny bubble of what he finds interesting the things that he finds important down to where he'll be like oh my god how mage is this card and he mentioned some random wcw card to us and we're like i don't know not mage in particular like compared to what he was right about the jumping bob angels i gotta give him that one he was right he was he was right he i think he was i think he was surprised by how right he was that that tag title match no that tag title match was much more mage than i expected it was i give credit where credit is i was like uh did why did we let dip pick what is this he wouldn't let it go either i've been promising uh to do some mailbag from our patrons uh cheap heat live on patreon and let's see millen de villain writes pete how did you catch up on all the attitude era and monday night wars before the network existed even with everything on demand now i can't imagine you saw everything from back then so do you feel like you're missing a certain level of familiarity and knowledge of a hardcore wrestling fan it's a great great thoughtful question um okay so let me let me I'm going to go in reverse.

59:33Yes, I am definitely missing a certain level of familiarity and knowledge that a hardcore wrestling fan has. Dip will like reference, you know, a certain random Fakakta sort of B or C level storyline from the Attitude Era that I will just be like, yeah, I can picture who that is, but I don't remember what the story was at all. there's just if you didn't watch every week even if you go back and relive it as best you can you're not seeing every single episode week to week so some things just don't hit the same way you know what i'm saying um i think it'll be disingenuous for me to say oh i caught up so completely that i know everything no there's also chunks of the attitude era that you can just fast forward through like nobody cares about doug furnace and philip lafon versus the headbangers or the disciples of the apocalypse you know i mean like we against uh those are okay but those are those are great those are great examples though like doa for example are someone that like dip would would talk about like their mage and i'm like i don't really know now headbangers are different headbangers made it to a different level like their consistency in the tag division was enough that like you know how do you how do you not have respect for the headbangers for god's sake Right, but even as his beaver cleavage, did you remember that?

1:00:57Did you remember when one of them was portrayed as beaver cleaver, but he was called beaver cleavage? No, do not remember this. You're not missing anything then. You're good. Don't worry about it. You're good. And like Doug Furness, a name that I don't have anything to say about also. I know the name. Yeah, Doug Furness and Philip LaFont, they had some bangers. They can go. But in WWE at that time, again, nobody really cared. You watched everything that you needed to. The Brawl for Alls, the Ministry of Darkness, the Austin 316 rise, the Rise of the Rock, Degeneration X, Triple H, Chris Jericho coming in.

1:01:36So you know everything that you're supposed to know as a broadcast journalist talking about this stuff, but the minutia of the little Takamichi Noku stuff versus S.A. Rios. Do you really need to know that for the light heavyweight championship? probably not probably there you go and i don't problem solved so and then the way that i caught up before the network existed was i became a dvd fiend i basically went from since i was always digging for records once i was at the record stores i started going to their dvd sections and then i would go to their wwe the wrestling sections of the of the old dvds and old wrestling dvds would be like three bucks seven bucks ten bucks max and i would just buy up like my dvd collection is crazy so i would just buy up every sort of dvd i could find then i had the entire mania box set the entire rumble box set the entire summer slam i had every box that there was plus i would just go buy every dvd there was that that then i had some like nerdy friends who i met from radio who would like make me dvds and send me some stuff and then of course the network came along and we've never let's be honest guys we've we've never gotten back to the network no no no it the network the network the network still exists overseas is that true or no i don't think so i think it got rolled into netflix didn't it when you go to network this is so interesting i just went to network.wwe.com and it it there's a link there and it says wwe guys go look at this hold on i'm gonna put it in the group chat this is fascinating um here could you get a company login that's great quite well well it's asking me to log in as if as if like would your espn email get you in here like try that what are you looking at this yeah so it had the espn logo and all that on it pete try your espn logo and password see if it works let's see if we can circumvent and crack a code live on pro wrestling nation 24 7 yeah because this looks like it's the network and it's yo if we just discovered that they did some ill ish hold on reset your password i'm about to reset my password but this is this what my wwe network password what this is like discovering plutonium by the way 40th 40th anniversary of back to the future coming up um all right i'm resetting my password guys but you see what that looks like you see that it physically looks like the network right yeah but this works on it oh god if this works can you imagine what it would mean if we cracked the code.

1:04:36Hold on. It says it's not letting me log in. Hold on. Because I'm connected to a VPN. I'm disconnecting the VPN. Because I thought I was going to find some international website. But this isn't this is clean. Oh. Hold on. I'm in. Watch now. Unable to play content. If you're a WWE Network subscriber please log in and try again so i'm overseas yo guys but that hold on that's crazy though something's going on here when when i was connected to the vpn it had wwe slash espn i turned off the vpn now it says wwe slash netflix are they about to give us back the network but through ESPN and Netflix. Yeah.

1:05:29Oh, that's fire. And this is something out. This looks so good, too. Yeah, this is great. It's clean. Everything is. It looks like the actual thing, right? Yeah. But now I got it. Maybe I just wasn't doing either of you guys know your ESPN password. No, I don't know. Yes, get password. How do you guys watch the PLs? Through Hulu. and Disney. I got the Disney bundle. But I wonder if you could just plug that in. Do you have the ESPN that allows you to get the PLEs? Nah. I have the Disney Plus so that allows me to get everything. Hulu, Disney, and ESPN. It would be great because SGG, doesn't it look like...

1:06:20There's no reason for them to update the site with this much detail if we're not going to get something mage. It looks like the network could be back, guys. It could be that the network's back. I think you need to text one of those bigwigs that you're friends with and be like, hey, I'm doing it right now. Hold on. So, could I get an ESPN WWE network login? Well, but we should, but in theory, if it's working, then my ESPN login, if I can just, you know, if I wasn't doing the show live right now and my brain could go through the gymnastics to figure it out i i would think that your espn could get you in it has to this because this is a huge deal because when i first started coming back to wwe yo so at the bottom of the screen guys do you see it says it has all these choices yeah premium live events raw smackdown nxt in ring and originals yeah it has everything oh hold on and I just went to originals and it says this week best of WWE this is awesome broken skull raw talk the bump I can go relive the bump who doesn't want to relive the bump that makes me think this is old though it might be because of what's there do you think bring it to the table on here too why would the ESPN logo be there though but why would the ESPN logo be there that's a development that's a month old it has to be by the way guys this is why we love wrestling and think it's great because look at us yeah nerd nerd not over a website that we none of us have access to all right all right so so thank you to that message that none of us can even get to we're gonna figure it out all right anthony writes us and says in regards to crown jewel how are we feeling about a potential brock lesnar appearance in one of the vision-centric matches to set up war games the street fight feels like the most logical of places um does that mean brock does do you mean brock lesnar joining the vision i think so i hope not i think that's what they're getting at so what that means what they kick seth out and brock comes in and then that gets set up for seth no no i think brock comes in brock comes in helps out seth and there's sort of this begrudging now relationship of Seth is still the man, but Paul Heyman was worried about Seth getting it done.

1:08:54So he brought in Brock Lesnar and now they're all in the vision together. Is that how you see it, SJJ? That's exactly how I see it, which let's remember, that's exactly how Roman Reigns and CM Punk ended up on the same War Games team last year. It was on the babyface side, but Heyman I don't like that. My guy might not be able to get it done, so let me bring in my old guy to help him out. And there is a rumor that Bronson Reed versus Roman Reigns is going to actually close the show and main event. So if that happens, yeah, I think that means that we're going to see Brock Lesnar help out. So that begs another question, though, guys.

1:09:35Do you think in general, whether Brock or otherwise, there is some sort of big surprise at crown jewel well seeing as how we didn't get any at wrestlepalooza yeah i think they got to make do for for crown jewel yeah i just don't think they can end where you know roman beats braun and then everybody goes home happy and then it cuts to the post show with you and biggie i don't think that would work right but brock lesnar interfering in the crown jewel championship match between Cody Rhodes and Seth Rollins, that's a huge surprise. Because now you're adding in the equation of Brock Lesnar. And we all know Brock wants his pound of flesh in the form of a championship.

1:10:20So then that kind of sets up a, it's only a matter of time when he turns on Seth Rollins to get that heavyweight championship. But my problem with this is, guys, is that when it comes to surprises, Brock Lesnar at this point showing up is not a surprise. No, but I think what you said, you said what you said two weeks ago, I think makes a lot of sense, though. You can have a surprise in terms of story now and what happens to push the narrative forward, which can be shocking and jarring. Batista doesn't have to come back or somebody doesn't have to come back. What we could do is they can really throw a logjam into whatever storyline we assume is going to happen next.

1:11:05I think you pluck Brock Lesnar and drop him into this vision thing. It changes the dynamic of the vision because now Cody goes back on SmackDown. We'll figure out who he has to face next. And now you can work on Brock and Seth because Roman still get a feud with the bronze. that's not changing for a while and especially will he won't he jay uso heel turn that they they've been teasing that's gonna need something to do with regards to the the uso thing i really really hope they have a plan in place for the jimmy uso thing i i really hope because we have seen guys when it comes to like tag teams and what will they won't they break up heel face sometimes you end up looking back and realize they never knew what they were going to do they were just sort of toying with us and like that whole thing of Roman and Jay now I at first I thought it was about Jimmy and guys now I'm not so sure like part of me thinks it's just about Roman and Jay and they don't have an answer for Jimmy and he's literally just standing there and I really really hope that's not the case yeah I hope that's not the case either and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because what I've seen with this bloodline story so far over the course of the over five years now is that even when they don't have a plan for anything else the smallest details come together for the bloodline as long as the rock is not involved in which case you never know well you say that because you love the bloodline I think I also think that the bloodline has reached its peak and it should be done now.

1:12:57I think it should be finished. We should move on. I think this OTC Roman is done. Give us a different type of Roman Reigns now. I think this character is finished. Let's move on. It's time to evolve. If you still have some unfinished business with your cousin. You think Roman should be going to evolve? I like that. I would love to see Roman on Evolve. I think he should be made a vent in every week. What are you talking about? come on um uh haven't worked third chair with you in stone yeah um i know i hear you though i i i i do think i do think that like you could argue sgg that to truly honor the bloodline story in the way that huge fans such as yourself feel about it the number one way to do that is to move on and sometimes I do feel like the OTC thing was another to Emilio's point it was just grasping one more time to hold on to that and now they're doing the same thing with Jay it's like we don't know exactly where to go with Roman and like if we're ever going to do anything meaningful with Roman and the Usos again we need like a real year or two of separation like where they really do their own thing and like I said which brings me back full circle where this conversation started I hope they have a plan beyond Jimmy's just standing there because guys it's big Jim it big Jim's time to shine yeah and I think that's how you actually really honor the bloodline and like cement them right is like they were talked about as the greatest faction of all time they were put in that conversation when it was just the three of them Roman Jimmy J with Heyman two world champions are there.

1:14:44If you could get Jimmy up to that level to where he's their equal, and it isn't just Roman and his cousins, but it's like three distinct personalities, all equals, all at the top, I think that is really the way to cement the legacy. See, but you can, though. Go ahead. You can. I'm sorry. I just want to end on this because I think we're all big Jim guys, and you can make Big Jim feel as important as his cousin and his brother because again the World Heavyweight Championship on Raw is wide open it's anybody's game at this point you just got to get him red hot at the right moment which could be right now and you can have the vision going against this version of the bloodline if we want to call it the bloodline and it's Big Jim's time that's the way to do it because this who's the dominant person who can you see taking the the world heavyweight championship off seth roms it could be anybody on raw right or nobody uh let's let's take our last break a lot of good stuff in the mailbag here um it is pro wrestling 24 7 i'm live from perth australia cheap heat live happy weekend y 'all promotional consideration paid for by the following new world wrestling federation superstars cookies from solano great tasting cookies in 10 fun to eat wwf wrestling shapes all right closing out cheap Pete Live Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7.

1:16:10We appreciate it. For those of you listening on the podcast this week, I opted against phone calls because of the technology of it all. So what that means is for our podcast listeners, Emilio, this is the longest episode they will have gotten in ages. Yeah. I don't have to choppy choppy, so you good. Who's better than you? Come on. Use is the lucky ones. All right. Let's see. That's funny. So I had a message here from Brian with the move to ESPN. what happens to all the old content on Peacock. We already lost a bunch of old Raws in the move to Netflix. Listen, that gets right back to what we were talking about earlier.

1:16:44There's something has to give with this network, guys. Or, listen, we've said this many times, they've found a way to monetize everything, even if they make you spend money on the network. If they said, hey, we have you on ESPN, we have you on Netflix, we have you on USA, but if you want our entire back catalog it's the network is back for 9.99 a month you'd get me again for that either you do a lot of people would still say i still need that 10 a month to get and i really miss the network because of how easy it was to get to stuff it was just like they never peacock never got the search function down never and i i would freak out about it and and throw a fit except iMessage can't figure out how to have you search through text messages effectively.

1:17:35So there are certain things that the internet just can't get right. All right, another question here. Well, how about this? BCC represent, that's my high school, fellow BCC baron, class of 2000, who's been a big fan of yours from Cheap Heat day one with the maker of shoes during the Grantland days and beyond. Getting ready to celebrate our 25-year reunion in old Chevy Chase, what were your favorite high school memories? And two, any recommendations as far as reconnecting with old classmates and not having to be too awkward? Hashtag with a life. Listen, my last reunion was 20. I did a 20-year reunion in like 17, which is so interesting because I guess my 25 would have come during COVID.

1:18:30and then the scary thing is guys that means my 30s not far off no that means my 30 my 30s in 27 um guys 30 year high school reunion is so old i like i i'm not ready guys i'm not i've lived in this like fake version of life because of my career the kind of career that i have and and getting divorced and remarried and having a young baby i've like done this whole pretend thing where i'm not as old as i actually am but then you see things like 30 year high school reunion and you're like oh no no you're old as a motherfucker that's 30 year high school union is i mean when you picture it that is i i feel like i remember when my parents were going to their 30 year high school reunion that's crazy Anyways, no, I have no recommendations on the awkwardness of running into people from high school to each his own.

1:19:28God, favorite high school memories. I was a big high school guy. I loved high school. High school was glorious for me. I was I was in my bag. I was confident. I by by the middle of my freshman year, I had found my girlfriend and then she was long distance and I would we would visit with each other in the summer and winter. and I was the DJ who had the hot girlfriend. I was in my bag. Did you show your friends from high school her pictures like, yo, she's from Canada and she's real? No, she went to our high school. Everyone knew her. Everyone went, yo, she went to our high school. Everyone knew her.

1:20:09Every senior hated on me. I was 14 years old, looked like a child and was dating a grown-ass woman. How grown are we talking here? Like, how old are we talking? She was 30. No, she was 16. But the way you made it sound like the way you made it sound like she was like she was like a senior. Did you understand what I was saying? Did you think I also meant I was like hot for teacher? No, no. I just thought you I thought you maybe pulled an 18 year old. It's like, you know what I'm saying? What I mean? What I meant was I was a 14 year old. my my my girlfriend was brazilian she got when she moved to the country she stayed back so she was like 16 when i was 14 and a half but what i really meant was i looked like a little boy and she looked like a grown-ass woman but i was a kid like you look back in retrospect yo she was 16 my guy i want to see her now like i want to see what she looks like now sure sure sure sure clean it up quick is this the one is this the one that you were talking about on one app with um there's pictures that you say that you'll never see the light of day because they're at her mother's house in brazil yes yeah yes she i gotta see i want to see what this girl looks like i want to see what mom looks like i want to see what the mother looks like yeah let's go no um no it was so so to answer your question i i loved bcc i had a great time at bethesda champion jays high school bethesda is a totally different place now and it's weird to go back there because it doesn't exactly feel like the place that I grew up it's like just so developed and different but um I love BCC played baseball I had a great time you know I I had one year when I was really in my bag my senior year I I convinced them they wanted me to DJ a dance and I wanted to go to the dance because I was like trying to live in my like glory of senior year I allowed them they paid me to make a mix for the dance i got them to pay me to make a cassette and rock that at the dance and got to dance to my own djing at the dance by the way by the way by the way the djing was horrifying but it happened um all right let's see here what's up with aj and punk not appearing on tv since palooza of course that changed for punk the other day i get punk is advertised for next week but seems like the delay has squandered their momentum following the big return and win against Becky and Seth you know it's a really interesting question um it does make me think guys that maybe the AJ Lee return is a little more limited than we assumed that it was like yeah maybe she's not really going to be the week-to-week superstar that it seemed like we thought when we saw her signing the contract and standing there with triple h maybe this is a more special event kind of thing because she's been off tv and then guys punk came back and sug he was just right into his same storyline with jay usso and la night yeah i mean you know maybe they didn't get a bus where they can travel around together give them a bus if that's what they need so we can i don't think it's that i wonder i wonder if it's like just from a like sort of protecting her mentals like i want to do this when i want to do it but I'm not going to be around all the time yeah I agree I agree with Peter I think they're giving her like specific spot dates that she can come in and it'll probably probably rev back up for for rumble season and then going into Wrestlemania she'll probably be a fixture so I think we're going to see it like that I think she has spot dates I don't think she's going to do the the grind anymore she's been there done it did it um you know so honestly I would like to see a one-on-one between her and Becky Lynch for the Intercontinental Championship at some point.

1:24:08I think Survivor Series, we get that. That's my guess. Sean writes us and says, hey, Sweet Pete, SGG, and Tip, what do you guys think of Brock being Cena's final opponent at Saturday Night's Main Event? I thought this might be where we're headed after Brock's beatdown at Wrestlepalooza. It makes sense from the standpoint of Brock being the one guy Cena hasn't been able to conquer. This would be his last chance to slay the beast and put a definitive period on his career. I know it doesn't give quote the rub to another superstar but it also wouldn't hurt Brock at all to give Cena the win in a big time match thoughts this has crossed my mind obviously from the second Cena lost the way he lost I thought there's a chance that the whole thing ends with Brock Lesnar redemption I don't know that I find it to be thrilling yeah I don't like it but the idea of Brock being Cena's final opponent it just seems like a lot of Brock and it's part of why I didn't really like how Cena lost to Brock last time because I don't think they are going to finish that story um and maybe that's okay I mean maybe maybe what you have to think of look at it as is John Cena is certified he's cemented and Brock's going to be around a while so having the fact that Brock just dominated John Cena being part of his lore was all that was.

1:25:26But like, I could see it happening. I don't love it. Let's see. Let's see.

1:25:38Which of the three women in Judgment Day should turn face when Liv returns? And why should it be Roxanne? Stay mage. it absolutely should be Roxanne I feel like she has the most lovable aura out of the three of them and so yeah it should be her Roxanne she's a damn good heel though Roxanne that's why she's the prodigy she can play on both sides of the ball she's really good she's actually very live-like in that way I think a Liv Morgan face run would be really good too I think it's time man like you wanna like it wasn't that long you're forgetting dude you are forgetting you are forgetting that Liv was losing it before she turned we were SGG we were waiting we were all like she can no longer be the spry little underdog anymore it like it got old but could she do something different could she be an elder statesman now like how ria is remember because when ria was mommy she was bad and boo and now she's like this revered like baby face and everybody loves her it's like can't we have a grown-up version where she's not this scrappy underdog anymore because she's climbed that now and she's done the thing right maybe you can but then the problem is to me to me the issue with with baby face live and by the way when she comes back she's going to be so over it's probably going to be hard for them to keep her a heel yeah because she's going to have to get her come up it's on dom and that's and by the way her come up it's on dom for because dom yeah we they've never have they haven't shown us anything they by the way that's my point this is again one of those stories where it's like did you guys finish the planning for the story with dom and roxanne because we haven't seen them actually do anything um all right guys i just realized we're out of time we got to go uh we have we have crown jewel tomorrow for god's sake set your alarms the countdown show starts at 6 a.m eastern the show starts at 8 it's on espn in the u.s netflix overseas uh amelio great seeing you we appreciate use and actually hearing you sgg stay mage uh find us on patreon cheap heat live on patreon shout out to kelly shout out to zach shout out to dip uh hopefully i make it back from perth stay mage and enjoy yourselves everyone follow us on instagram too that's right cheap heat pod