Rosenberg Goes Off on the IWC

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out, Zach. I love you. Look at the crop. The mage stick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The king of KGP. 24 seconds. A thousand percent confirmed. M-m-mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. M-m-m-m-m-m-mage. M-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m. Mail машin wird bei der Arbeit im I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, I'm sorry. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Thank you, man. Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was repot. It was repot. It's professional. Wrestling.

1:10Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. I'm your forever 24-7 champion Peter Rosenberg joining me from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania the physically strong stat guy, Greg we will hear from Dipperstein, SGG it sounds like at some point he's traveling to St. Louis to stand and deliver that is what he said but because it's dip and I love him and I mean this with all due respect not the disrespectful with actual all due respect dipistine that could be hollywood talk we might hear from him we might not if we don't hear facts we just got to chalk it up to hollywood talk he still loves us right you know he's still made he still loves wrestling thinks wrestling's great but that could be hollywood talk that is what you are saying is an absolute fact uh and we'll see if that happens however i I do know for a fact that we will have a guest coming up at one o 'clock, a friend of the show, someone who's going to sit in for a while and get us all set for stand and deliver and everything else.

2:21That would be the general manager of NXT, Mr. Robert Stone. Mage. Yeah, you remember Robert Stone, don't you? I do remember Robert Stone. That's a great get. Yeah, no, he used to be just the lowly color analyst for Evolve with some jabroni on play-by-play. He has now moved up. He's the GM at NXT. And, man, that guy is really involved in so many things. And we're going to talk to him coming up at 1, have some fun with him. SEG, I have some things to get off my chest today. But I think I'm going to tease it. and we'll do the next segment with a little bit of response to some of the things that were bantied about on the IWC this week regard to an opinion that I gave and I have some things I have to get off my chest, SGG not only about the opinion but about the way we're going to handle talking to me moving forward and the level of respect that's going to be.

3:37We're going to have a conversation about respect. So if you are yourself a wrestling broadcaster or even a professional wrestler yourself, in the WWE, AEW, TNA, ROH, AAA, wherever you do it, and you saw this conversation, you had thoughts, we're going to get to those thoughts. I'm going to have some words. We'll do that after the first break. But, SGG, this was an active week in terms of getting us closer to WrestleMania. You now on paper have like 12 matches basically lined up. All of a sudden happened very quickly. And by the way, some of these became clear at Monday Night Raw where you and I were in attendance together at MSG.

4:27Had a great time. Great getting to have a little SGG hang for the first time in a long time. It was a lot of fun, man. I knew that I missed hanging out with you, but I didn't realize how much I missed. We have a lot of fun when we link up, man. Well, yeah, listen. Let me translate for you. When SGG says he forgot how fun it is to hang out with me, that's what he saw, that he was sitting second row behind the announcers, and then we were in a suite eating luxurious food and drinking luxurious beverages. We didn't make it to the scene. We were in the underground lounge. Yeah, sorry, the underground lounge.

5:07We got well taken. Shout out to our guy, Frankel. We had a good little spot posted up. And shout out to WWE who gave us very, very respectful, very respectable tickets. I didn't know. I don't really ask for tickets very often, but SGG hadn't been to a show in a long time, and I thought it would be really fun. And, yes, it did happen to be fantastic timing. I'm sure in the eyes of my wife, that in the midst of our move back to our old apartment, I took the night off to go hang with SGG at the garden. But listen, all's well that ends well, okay? I got home that night, SGG, had a great night with the wife.

5:46The move is complete. The move has been successful. We moved back to our old house. All the makings of a disaster. And yet, yo, it's like it's a wonderful life, SGG. We're walking around the apartment like, oh, my God. I never – hello, door. I never noticed I love this door so much. Oh, hello, rug. I never knew I loved this rug so much. That's what our life has been like. So I managed to pull off the coup. I mean, was it some level of disrespect that I was sitting directly behind the roast master, Jeffrey Ross? Yeah, yeah. A slight, just a slight disrespect. Yeah. They definitely had us in the bald section.

6:34And SGG, did you leave the second Roman got beat down? Because I saw the aftermath and Punk went up and started celebrating right where we were sitting. and I couldn't see your beautiful black bald head anywhere in the picture no I was there I was there you were still there um while punk was hovering over you celebrating taking out your tribal chief I was more concerned about Roman he was still down they jumped him let's be you know we can get to that later when we discuss raw but like I really wasn't feeling the fact that they jumped him you know to the untrained eye it appeared to be one-on-one but I mean why is jamie noble saving saving punk from the power bomb why why is this person why they holding my guy back wow you're bringing jamie noble they jumped him yo jamie noble jason jordan hurricane adam pierce uh pat buck pat buck too no they all they all i i i haven't been invited to the next samoa meeting so i don't know what's gonna go down but okay at the next meeting these names need to come up because that was insane the level of disrespect the level was nydia was nydia involved nydia nydia was not involved nydia nydia nowhere to be found but yeah man these producers man i i really wasn't feeling how it went down and i'm blaming the producers yo i'm looking right now i just looked up nydia's Wikipedia page.

8:11SGG, go look up Nydia's page. Is it like a paragraph? No. Yeah, it's not long. It's a few paragraphs. No, it's got a section. It's got a section of her career for sure. But it's just crazy. She moved on, has lived a whole new life. SGG, would you ever recognize her on the street? No. Are you looking? And by the way, keep in mind, folks, keep in mind, she looks great. I'm not saying this like, oh, my God, look, she looks bad. It's just she doesn't look like it doesn't. I'm not saying. Yes, I'm not. I'm not trying to do some sort of subtle. Oh, it looks like she had work done. I'm not saying anything.

8:48This is zero judgment. I just mean she does. She looks like a regular lady you would not realize was ever once a professional wrestler in any way. Yeah. Good for Nydia. And so, yeah, she was involved in holding back Roman Reigns as well. Everybody was in. But either way, last time it was Punk who ended the night on the ground. This time it's the tribal chief. So we'll get more into the specifics of that, of course. But other things have come to be. We now know since we last spoke, I think Sami Zayn and Trick became official, correct? Yes. Yeah, that became official last Friday. Sami Zayn wasn't even the champion.

9:29Yeah, and listen. we're going to have to have a conversation about that as well and where that leaves Carmelo Hayes Ilya Dragunov where they end up on the Wrestlemania card let's see we now know this may be what I'm most excited about folks a fatal five way ladder match for the IC title SGG or as I like to call it money in the bank at Mania Ajace yep you know how I feel about having a big fun ladder match at WrestleMania, give it to me. Penta defending against Javon, Dragon Lee, JD McDonough, and Rusev. This is a perfect thing to have on the card at WrestleMania. I adore this. It will pop everybody.

10:19It gets people on the bill. Fantastic. Speaking of which, in a very similar vein, it's kind of been clear now for a few weeks we were going this way. The Irresistible Forces, which is Nia Jax and Lash Legend versus Charlotte and Bliss versus Bailey and Lyra versus the Bella Twins, a fatal four-way tag team match for that women's championship, which I like. You know me. I'm ready to see the Bellas get them titles around the waist again. It's time. I am, too. I'm with you. I feel like those titles are made for them. Exactly. Let's get these heel tag champ Bellas annoying the entire women's division.

11:00And the only way you can have the irresistible forces lose reasonably would be in a fatal four-way match. So it's a good way to not have to see Lash or Nia get pinned and still see the titles maybe get over to the Bellas, which I think would be super compelling and fun for the tag division on the women's side. and then of course SGG and this is where we can start with our conversation because I think it's the biggest news inside the ring of the week we're going to get Seth Rollins and Gunther at Wrestlemania after Seth was about to attack Paul Heyman or he did, he hit him with the chair again right he got him he got him with the chair again Paul has to learn to turn around by the way he does he got him with the chair almost got him with the stomp and that is when the stomp on the chair.

11:51And that is when Gunther saved the day. So 877-344-4893 is our phone number. We obviously want to talk to you guys throughout the day. Would love to hear your level of excitement about Seth Rollins and Gunther. Let's start there, SGG, because this is a fantastic wrestling match. This, to me, is like the hardcore wrestling fan's main event. in a lot of ways. Like, you are just going to get Seth, who's kind of the real wrestling fans wrestler, you know, the Shawn Michaels of the era, if you will, against this guy who just is the hardcore, super stiff bruiser in Gunther. It's going to be a really well-fought matchup.

12:43Super stoked for it. I will say it was the way they got to it on Monday felt underwhelming because rather than have like, you know, it's one thing to see a baby face return and attack a heel. And it's one thing to have a heels music hit and have them interrupt a promo. but SGG was a little bit unique in my opinion to see the heel kind of show up unannounced and attack the baby face the way he did um and choke him out it even though it was a big moment it we were there it took the air out of the room it doesn't leave you like oh my god I'm so stoked for this it takes you a minute to go wait did this just happen um what's going on here do you know what i'm saying so i guess overall i'm asking you i know exactly what did you think of that as a way to get to gunther and seth rollins i think i still need the why but you're right it did have the room very shocked and i think that at least for for that play that's kind of what you want you want Gunther to remind people like, hey, I'm still that guy.

14:02I'm still a threat. Now, I don't know why he attacked Seth Rollins, but, you know, circumstances beyond their control had people questioning just last week, right? What's Seth Rollins going to do at Mania? Is he actually going to get Brock? Are we going to find out that he is the one who convinced Oba to attack Brock? You know, the vision is going after the tag team title, so where does that leave Seth? Now Seth has something to do with a clear direction, and Gunther was completely off the card. we hadn't seen him for weeks and people were just like damn Gunther's gonna miss Mania that's a shame he just ended he ended what three careers in the past yep calendar year Goldberg Cena and um they just thousand like damn we can't find nothing for him to do at Mania where's Gunther well now we have an answer for both of them it's Gunther it's Seth Rollins and Like you said, you put that on paper, that is a big match on any PLE, especially the granddaddy of them all, WrestleMania.

15:00I just need that little bit of story to get me over the line. But, you know, at this point, when the bell rings, banger territory. Like, we already know that's where we're headed with that. Yeah, no, listen, it's going to be an epic matchup. I'm super psyched about it. Great way to, listen, this was obviously not anyone's plan. You know, whatever is happening with Seth Rollins, I think we know one thing. This was not in the plans because obviously Seth wasn't supposed to get hurt. And we weren't supposed to see Braun Breaker get hurt. We weren't supposed to see Bronson Reed get hurt. And, you know, the snake bite that has been the vision, it was not supposed to be that way.

15:40But to end up pivoting and getting here, Gunther and Seth Rollins at WrestleMania, hell yeah. And I guess for this one, Seth will not be retiring anyone. It's going to be interesting to see. Gunther won't be retiring anyone. So what did I say, Seth? You said Seth. But either way, Seth's not retiring anyone. Both are true, SGG. Yeah, Gunther's not going to be retiring anyone. And to SGG's point, I'm sure on Monday we'll get the why. You know, I can't imagine it's because Gunther cares about Paul Heyman. So what are they going to come up with as to why Gunther decided to get after Seth? We'll find out, and hopefully it's a decent story.

16:19But the truth is we just got to get to that match, and it's going to be a banger. What are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on everything else that's unfolded throughout the week? 877-344-4893. But when I come back, Zach, I need the music to play. I need it to be my theme song, Grinding All My Life by Nipsey Hussle. Okay? And when I come back, I need the mic in my hand, and I need to say a few words about what happened this week. And SGG, when I'm done and I drop the mic, I'm going to let my consigliere, SGG, grab the mic as well. All right? That's what we're going to do. Because you know I have some thoughts, too.

16:55I know you have thoughts. I know. Here's the thing. Before we get to it, I'm going to just jump a little snippet of what I got to say. Okay. When you gave the introduction to this show, you said you are our forever, 24-7 champion. I know people forget that but that is something that needs to be remembered when people talk about Peter Rosenberg and what Peter Rosenberg has to say that word champion but we're going to get into it on the other side of the break we're going to get into it on the other side of the break a lot of people talking ain't champions a lot of them ain't champions a lot of them don't know what it's like to have that gold around their waist but listen they might have that replica they might have touched a replica yeah and and maybe dip didn't maybe dip didn't frame theirs either we'll talk all about this when we get back cheap heat live pro wrestling nation 24 7 promotional consideration paid for by the following a marked champion i'm gonna burn your ass a master plan i'm damn sick and tired of watching you walk around with a wwf championship belt a triple threat match with unholy alliances There's no way Austin can survive against these two monsters.

18:13Stone Cold. Screwed Stone Cold. The Undertaker. Stone Cold Steve Austin. King. WWF Breakdown presented live by Stridex tonight on Pay-Per-View. Welcome back to Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. We have a lot to get to today. We have a lot to get to on the program today. But let me fill you in. And we will. And we will. No, we got time for all of it, SGG. So first things first, I just want to explain what happened because you may be listening right now and have no idea what we're talking about because you don't read the nonsense of the internet. You just listen to your favorite channel, Pro Wrestling Nation, and keep it moving.

18:58So essentially at Raw on Monday, EO attempted a suicide dive that landed horribly, horribly. She basically landed face first and looked incredibly dangerous. Is she okay as far as we know? She looked a little woozy afterwards, but as far as we know, is EO good? No. As far as we know, she's good. It looked like she got up. She shook it off, continued the match, which she did lose. We're not going to blame that on the injury. No, no. I saw there was speculation from people about whether they, like, you know, hurry to finish it. I don't know. To be honest, SGG and I were there. It's hard to tell what's going on.

19:46We were sitting behind the announcer's desk. You don't really know exactly what's going on. But someone posted the video, and it's horrible. and I saw this first thing when I woke up. It was the first thing I saw when I looked at my phone while my wife was still sleeping and I was hesitating a few minutes before going to the baby and I just went on Twitter, which is always a dumb idea when starting your day. Worst way to start the day. Yeah, worst way to start the day, but I see this and I immediately write the following tweet. This is why I tell whoever I can at Evolve and even on the main roster, don't bother with these dives.

20:28They are all risk, no reward. If you successfully hit a suicide dive in 2026, no one cares. But if you mess it up, you could truly harm yourself. Don't do it. I received a funny private text two minutes later from Graves sort of poking at me for my tone of sounding like a little bit like I knew it all. But like it was a funny, you know, funny personal text. I immediately when he sent it, though, went, ooh, what was my tone in that? Because if Graves noticed that, what are other people going to say? I don't want my point to get lost. So I looked. That's not a reflection of your tone, though, by the way.

21:14That's a reflection of how they interpreted it. Thank you, SGJ, and I appreciate that. But I added to it within like 15 minutes, meant to add the caveat, I am not a wrestler, of course, LOL. But when I watch this up close, I cringe every time. What happened afterwards was a few wrestlers weighed in. um most notably bailey wrote shut it i think she wrote shut it pete um let me see it'll pop up um yeah i thought it was and i just responded rude um and um brody king responded don't tell me what to do peter um neat now bailey i don't know what bailey's intention was. I don't know if she was being serious or sort of just being heelish internet Bailey.

22:12I don't really know. I DM'd her. I haven't heard back yet. I don't know. Brody King, I know for a fact, was 100 % joking because I texted him after the avalanche of IWC hatred came my way. I wrote Brody King and was like, yo, bro, I got absolutely crushed in that conversation after you tweeted me. And he was like, what? I was completely joking. And I'm like, I figured you were, but people can't read. They don't know that Brody King and I became buddies at MJF's wedding and now we chat. Like, they don't know these things. And sorry, that's not another obnoxious name drop. It's just literally where I met Brody King.

23:00Was he there to attack MJF? I don't understand. I'm sorry. I mean, what's going on? No, this was way before. This was way before they got into it. They didn't have problems then. Okay, all right. They didn't have problems. Thank you, SUG. K-Fabe is not dead. So I sent this message, though, to both Bailey and to Brody King, which is that even if you guys are joking, the IWC is so filled with thoughtless marks who can't have a thought for themselves that when you say that to me, whether you mean to or not, you completely, completely sort of justify hating on my credibility. And let me be clear. I am not a pro wrestler.

23:50I have never for a second claimed, perpetrated, or talked about the business in a way that implies that I have been a worker or taken bumps in my life. If you think I could be as close to the business as I've gotten able to be and carry myself in that way, then you don't know as much about the business that you claim to love as you think you do. I obviously do not ever carry myself in that way. I understand the language I used when I said I tell Evolve Talent. And if you pay attention, listen to the words I used. and even some main roster, implying if you know how to use words and what they all are meant to do in a sentence, when I say even some, that implies I don't go walking around giving CM Punk advice.

24:45But if I was talking to a younger wrestler, maybe who I've been friendly with for a long time, I'd be like, yo, why do people even bother? Why do they bother with the dive? And listen to the language that I used when I said it. I said don't bother with these dives I didn't say it in some sort of matter of fact wrestling lingo I'm speaking as someone who watches I watch the product from up close and I think that it's stupid I sit in the crowd the opinion wasn't even opinion that needed to come from a trainer or a wrestler in fact it's a more credible opinion coming from a fan. I sit in the crowd, and I do not pop at your suicide dive in 2026.

25:35And you know who else doesn't? Anyone else in the crowd. Everybody else. Because guess what? This is not Bret Hart diving at Shawn Michaels. This is not Daniel Bryan diving at CM Punk. It's 2026, and we see eight of them a night, and it seems like two of them, people clip their feet on the ropes and fall straight down like a ton of bricks. So I'm sorry, Internet, that I expressed as someone who's close to a lot of people who work that I think this move, the juice isn't worth the squeeze. That is not me pretending to be some veteran or some coach or someone who's taken bumps. And it's 2026 again.

26:19This business is gigantic. There's an entire channel dedicated to it. People like myself and Sam Roberts and Dave LaGreca have birthed an entire industry of content creators based on this business. We at least have to be able to give an opinion without being crushed because I haven't had 5 ,000 matches. And furthermore, to the Chris heroes of the world who completely mocked me. Chris, don't be that way. You have my phone number. If you're going to put up an entire text mocking me, using my voice, mocking every word, send me a message. Or by the way, how about this? Chris, you're one of the smartest people ever in the wrestling business.

27:03We all know that. Could we have a dialogue back and forth? Could you engage in a conversation? Or you just want to act like a smartass on Twitter when you really were too soft to just text my phone or call me. That's all you have to do. But I'm allowed to have an opinion. And furthermore, there were a lot of people whose viewpoint is like Rosenberg is just a fan boy like everybody else. He's just like you. Why does he have a right? I want to be clear about something. This is important to me, SGG. I am a fan. I am a wrestling fan. I'm not a worker. I'm a fan. But for a lot of people talking, no, I'm not just like you.

27:43You were a fan, and as a result, you buy tickets and you read magazines and you watch the show. And that's great. I was so much of a fan that I made it my life's mission to be a part of the business. I worked my ass off. Yes, I didn't take bumps, but I did call 25 matches for$25 at indie shows in 2007. You think I just showed up and WWE one day put me on camera at WrestleMania? Are you out of your mind? You think I just walk around. You think, how do you think it works when I go to work? Are you aware that I'm in the locker room with the boys? Do you understand that I am at least in the TV locker room?

28:29I have to carry myself with some level of respect for this business that I love so much that I leave my family and have busted my ass to be a part of. and you just think I'm some casual fanboy who just showed up one day. I'm just like you. I'm not just like you. You're sitting at home tweeting, fat boy. I got off my ass and did something about it. That doesn't make me a wrestler, okay? It never would. I never will claim that. But it does mean I've earned my right to have a voice. And when I'm backstage and when I'm at shows, I don't have my head down like I'm not supposed to be there, okay? I'm 20 years in reading every biography in the history of wrestling, studying it all, listening when all of the older legends talk.

29:19Tell me more. Tell me more. Tell me more. Soaking up everything I can to be respectful and good to the business. Does that mean I never make a mistake and put my foot in my mouth? Absolutely not. But what I said this week came from nothing but positive energy towards the people that I work with and wanting their physical well-being. And you mouth-breathing internet dorks have to seize on me because you're jealous. That's what it comes down to. And that's sad. Don't hate. Celebrate. Congratulate. there's i have never done one thing to take a dump on the wrestling business or the people who love it in fact i wore it on my sleeve and carried it with me to hip-hop in a huge way that you don't know about because you're an effing nerd you weren't paying attention to what was happening on the airwaves of hot 97 in 2007 8 9 10 11 12 13 all these years before there was all these outlets, before there was a full channel, do you know where the wrestlers could go and get a mainstream interview in New York City?

30:31They could come to Hot 97, do the morning show, and sit with me. And one of the greatest legends of all time, when I introduced him to my wife, pulled her aside and said, do you know the debt that we have to your husband because he gave us a platform when nobody else did? One of the greatest legends who has ever strapped up a pair of boots, And I have to listen to you mark-a-doodle-doos and you indie nobodies? Stop it. Stop it. I am not going to stop using my voice to express my opinions, particularly when it's about the health and safety of the performers that I care about so much. And I have to get shouted down?

31:12What, because my tone was a little bit too confident? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I saw a great wrestler nearly hurt herself and it concerned me. and now you have to shout it all down on the internet like a bunch of absolute mouth-breathing sheep that you are stop it you said a lot of what i was gonna say so i'm just gonna drive these points home because i saw there was a bunch of articles in it but one line that made me laugh when he said rosenberg's pro wrestling background is much like mine and probably most of yours too He's a longtime fan. No, no, no. Now that's you being reductive. That's why I say, remember that this guy is a champion and there's a lot of work that went into that point.

31:58And then there's a lot of work that came after that. His pro wrestling background is not like yours. No, don't flatter yourself. If you're out there thinking that and you're thinking that from your mom's basement or the passenger side of your best friend's ride or wherever you are, shout out to you and all the losers where you're from, but you are not like Rosenberg. Okay. I'm here co-hosting with him and I'm not like Rosenberg. Cause even when he said there's people who would be backstage with their head down, like they don't belong there. That could have been a shot at me. He was, he was with me Monday backstage.

32:33He saw how I was carrying myself. We're not like Rosenberg. So you have to just have some level of respect when you're talking to a guy like Rosenberg. And then the other thing that you said that I, this is for the wrestlers, right? Your perspective did come as that of a fan who respects the business. The suicide dive was great in the early 90s when Brett used to do it and people used to do it, different people used to do it. But now, unfortunately, it's become like a clothesline to us. And when done the wrong way, even a clothesline can be dangerous. Like people can get hurt. You don't want that to happen, but it happens.

33:08And with the suicide dive, like you said, the risk is very low reward on that risk because two things are going to happen. You hit it and then the fans don't pop. Or in these days, we've been conditioned that it's going to be a cut to commercial break. or you don't and something goes horribly wrong and then the fans are piling on your coworker, piling on you, adding unnecessary discourse when again, we in the audience. That's the piece where people should not have a comment on when something goes wrong. Oh, this person's to blame. That person's to blame. But strangely, when people do that, there's no pushback.

33:50There's no commentary. There's nothing. But a fan giving a fan's perspective on a move and letting wrestlers know this one is unnecessary risk to your bodies because we know that you risk your bodies and we know that you do it for our entertainment and we know that you love it and we know that that's where the passion comes from. and we have the past five, ten years of wrestling history to say, like, this one is not worth the risk because that entertainment value is not there, not on a dive through the ropes. Maybe if you go over the top, that changes things, but that dive through the ropes, it just doesn't give what you think it's given to the fans, and that risk is just too high.

34:34And that doesn't need to be, like, a smart-ass opinion from a wrestler commentator. No, it's not. It's just how it looks, SGG. It's just like, listen, I don't know how often people actually get hurt. I hope not often. I just know how often it looks like they're about to get hurt. And that was just what my opinion was. Again, I'm not stupid. I understand it's Twitter. And I understand that my tone sounded like rather matter of fact. but like I have to like bow my head and like say, excuse me, can I please weigh in here and give you a thought as someone who watches. And by the way, guys, you realize that when I say I tell the evolved talent, do you realize that in evolve, I'm 46 years old guys.

35:20I have been doing my first, my first moment in indie wrestling was in like Oh seven. most of the kids in Evolve the ones who've been doing it a while started I'm not talking about people like Wendy Chu who's been it since the early 2010s a lot of these kids started in 2017 18, I was already in WWE by the time they started their career I am as senior a person around when it comes to having seen things no I'm not going to tell them how to do an arm drag I'm not going to try to get them to I'm not going to teach them ring psychology I haven't done that But I can tell you, I sit out here every week and call your matches.

36:00And it was one particular conversation I had recently with a big guy who does some awesome stuff. And included in them is the dive. And my conversation with him was, dude, you do so many other athletic things that make me go, oh, my God, I can't believe you're doing this at your size. I said, why do you bother with the dive? Because, like, it's so clunky and risky. when you're like 6 '8", getting 6 '7", whatever it is, anything above, bro, any height apparently, but when you're 6 '3", 6 '4", 6 '5", you getting your whole body to stay parallel to the ground and your feet clear the ropes too so they don't clip, that's just an incredible risk.

36:42It's hard. It's skillful, right? It is skillful, but when you land it, because we've seen it a thousand times, to your point, SGG, I mean, we go, cool, cool. We used to joke on this show. I had a period when I used to call it the flying push because that's what it looks like half the time. It looks like you did all of this stuff, and the result in the end is you pushing the person in the chest. Like, I just – we can't, as the people who consume it and love it and watch it, give you an opinion that it just doesn't look that dope. And if you might fall on your neck like that – so to the tweet from Chris Hero, who I emphasize is a really smart dude.

37:20but I just found this to be obnoxious, and it's not the first time he's kind of come after me publicly when, you know, SGG, I think you were on when we had him on the show, weren't you? No, I wasn't on. It was when you were still listening? Yeah, yeah. But, like, no, we had Chris on the show, and I've always valued his opinion in wrestling. He just, this is what he wrote. This is why I tell whoever I can at ROH and even AEW, don't bother with these bumps. They're all risk, no reward. If you successfully take a bump in 2026, no one cares. But if you mess it up, you could truly harm yourself. Don't do it.

37:53First of all, that's not true. Like, you're just mocking. You're acting as if by me calling out the suicide dive, I'm saying don't bother doing anything. Yeah. Come on, bro. Like, you're not being as old school as you think, by the way. To a lot of you people who think you're sounding like such old school, true school wrestlers by calling it out, I'll have you know the old school true school wrestlers would go what the fuck are they doing that bullshit for that's what they would say they would go you're doing you're jumping through what wait on a regular TV what's what you're an idiot for no reason for no pop for no pop and that's the thing too like I can't hammer this home enough we love wrestling we think it's great but we do not think that these people should be taking these unnecessary sacrifices to their body for the love of the game, for anything else, not even for my entertainment.

38:53I don't love it that much, and I want people to take these unnecessary risks. And unfortunately, the suicide dive has become an unnecessary risk in 2026 because the entertainment value is not there, which is what you said. And that second part, fans agree on. So why does that make the first part controversial? still it absolutely shouldn't and it's it's um it's just a frustrating conversation and i always am super duper respectful like of fans because obviously guys i heard i heard someone say i heard someone say rosenberg gives people advice i'm some random indie jamoke i've never heard of random jabroni is like Rosenberg.

39:36Rosenberg said Rosenberg is giving advice. If back in the day, he would have been kicked out of the bit. He would have kicked out of the locker room. Bro, the locker room that he didn't make it to. He's supposed to get kicked out of. I don't. Yeah, you've never made it to that locker room. Okay. Okay. By the way, and are we are we also saying folks that nobody involved in wrestling has the right to say anything no one who didn't bump they kill themselves for those stars but but you can't you can't tell them to do something safely but no but but no one who didn't bump who works in the business can have an opinion like when in the hall of fame when they put people in promoters announcers all they can never those people should never have an opinion like i'm sorry I'm sorry I may not be your cup of tea you may not like my opinions but I have played my part in the wrestling business my little part that I've been lucky enough to play for nearly 20 years I've never been kicked out of anywhere with the exception of a slight disagreement here or there over an opinion I've never had a coarse word with anyone I respect this business more than anything I have risked myself reputationally for years when it was not so cool to say you were a wrestling fan in 08 9 10 i got news for you guys i don't know how you got away with that by the way to be being the coolest person on the planet associated with quote unquote the uncoolest thing on it was not cool and i went hard body for wrestling okay before before before before bailey or brody had taken a bump i was risking embarrassment at my big job that i just gotten to be like, did you know wrestling's awesome?

41:24Y 'all should be watching pro wrestling. So there are ways to give to this business that no, are not as integral and never will be as taking bumps, but that are still valuable and there are still ways to contribute. We'll talk to you next right here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. From the pages of the World Wrestling Federation official merchandise catalog, here's Dusty Rhodes.

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42:54You know what I'm talking about? And it's the stuff dreams are made of. Oh, God. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation, 24-7. And we've talked about a lot of things so far today. one thing we are yet to get into that I am very excited about is an absolute championship-laden event happening in St. Louis tomorrow night on Peacock. No, it's on YouTube now. It's YouTube now exclusively, right? Sorry, I'm adjusting. Is, of course, Stand and Deliver, the biggest event on the NXT calendar every single year, and the new GM handling his first stand and deliver is our good friend Robert Stone.

43:45Stone, welcome back to the show, buddy. Hey, I love being here. Before we get into anything stand and deliver, I have to ask you a question, Peter, because I'm hearing rumors. Is it true that you are telling people within the WWE universe there is no Robert Stone without Peter Rosenberg? Is that true? because I'm hearing it from numerous people. You've heard that? I've heard that there's no general manager position for me if it wasn't for Peter Rosenberg. There's no further career for me in WWE if it wasn't for Peter Rosenberg. I've heard it from a bunch of different people. So I'm coming right to you.

44:20Have you only heard that he said it to people in the WWE universe? Because I can't confirm or deny that he might have said it to people outside of the WWE universe too. You know what I'm saying? Well, I appreciate that DM you sent me, Stack Guy, Greg. You kind of filled me in on it. But we know what we get when we deal with Peter. Yes. Well, listen, I do a lot of things. I tell people what moves they shouldn't do, should and shouldn't do, and I also tell them that Stone is nothing without me. All right, Stone, before we get into all things Stand and Deliver and just how this gig has been so far and what's going on in your life, I don't know if you saw what we discussed earlier that I was just alluding to, which is that I had a big internet kerfuffle because I was saying that I have told people, I've told some of the kids on Evolve, one in particular, someone who's matches you and I have really enjoyed calling before, who's on the bigger side.

45:14He did a dive right in front of us once. And I just could see like, dude, it was one of those moments when like I grabbed Stone's arm, like, oh my God, I hope that was fine. And afterwards I talked to him and I'm like, dude, you do so much cool stuff. Do you really need the dive? like it seems like a lot of risk and not a ton of payoff and i got shouted down by a lot of the internet where do you stand on the dive like do you think in 2026 it's still like a really useful thing to do as one caller just pointed out to us uh stone not only is it high risk it's usually just a sign on tv after it happens that they're going to a commercial break um but yeah where do you stand on it um so being uh if you've watched any of my wrestling or anyone that has uh for the past over 20 years.

45:59I'm not much of a dive guy. It's never been my thing. To be honest, I'm not really a flexible and athletic enough to wrestle that kind of style. So, you know, safety is always first in wrestling, in my opinion, of course, but depending on the athlete that you are, I think that, you know, every situation is different based on how great you are in the ring to pull off these dives with ease i mean there's a risk in everything you do right uh so who am i to say someone can or cannot do something um so i kind of have to be uh oh you're serious just kind of keep my opinion this is this is very this is very gm robert stone he's playing the middle he's playing it you got it you got to make sure you don't offend anyone in that nxt locker room you don't want to get someone banging on your door um but i mean it is how i feel safety is always first and that's how i look at it but i mean i'm a guy who if i did a dive it there's probably a higher risk for me because i'm not someone who could pull it off but a lot of these guys probably but here's my thing like but my my question is stone do you still feel like when you're when you're watching a match like my point is not only do i see these videos like the one we saw of this week of eo where she kind of plummeted straight down and it's really scary but even when they're landed successfully Stone, there are five, six of them in a night on Raw.

47:21Like, I just don't see anyone popping for them. So is the juice worth the squeeze? Well, I think in 2020, you're right. There is a lot of dives more than there was, you know, years ago. But I think you could say that about a lot of wrestling moves. I feel like a lot of things, if you watch 10 matches, you'll see the same thing repeated sometimes seven or eight times. So it's not just dives. I know you're going to say again that's a safe answer. No, no, you're right. I just think that they're higher risk, though, than some of the other things that are done a lot. And I'm sure that there are other things that happen that you might be able to say as a wrestler, you know, hey, you don't realize that this particular thing is pretty dangerous, too.

47:56And they're doing that all the time as well. Yeah, I mean, anytime you land, it's dangerous. But, I mean, a German suplex, you catch someone wrong. Super kicks seem to be happening a lot now. You catch someone the wrong way with a super kick. We saw that in the Santana match on TNA last week. Yeah, very dangerous as well. um so besides missing me which i know has been hard for you um how much fun has this uh gm thing been uh i mean it's been amazing i mean you you know me very well peter you know i'm a patient positive guy so my whole kind of uh outlook on wrestling and since i've been in the wwe is it's about timing it's about opportunity it's about right place right time and i've been waiting for that and this was you know given given to me last minute and two days later i'm you know the the interim general manager of nxt and i feel like i was ready for that um i i don't want to steal matt cardona's line but i was always ready for any situation and i feel like you know i feel like i'm doing a great job so i love my guy sgg you see that see the confidence it's not cockiness it's confidence he knows it's not and that's why in such a short period of time the interim title has been dropped because i was the right guy for the job i'm someone who brings experience to the job.

49:13I'm someone who brings knowledge to the job and passion to the job. And I want to make NXT a better place. I'm 24 7 with this. If you follow me on my social media I'm constantly looking for new matches to have on NXT and new things to promote. I want to be on all the road shows. I'm all in. Tell us about... Go ahead Eshiji. I'm sorry. I was going to say, is there anybody from... The Vanity Project is up there now. Kendall Gray is up there now. Is there anybody else from Evolve that you're hoping to have make that jump from NXT, from Evolve to NXT? And are you worried about them? Like, hey, you might have said some stuff about me or commentary that I don't like, and now you're my boss.

49:52I know. I got to be a little more straight-laced now that I'm in charge of NXT. No more having fun. I mean, Kendall Gray, Vanity Project, Shawn Legacy, what is that doing? It's proving what me and Peter knew all along when we were commentating together, that Evolve is a great show and it does produce legitimate talent that is the future of wrestling. They're already on NXT, and all those names we just mentioned I'm sure will be on Raw and SmackDown in some way, shape, or form. But who's left on Evolve? I mean, now there's a whole new crop of talent. And the reality is, if they perform great, they are going to get their shot on NXT.

50:28I mean, it's equal playing ground there. And Peter, you've been still a part of the last few Evolve shows. You know that the shows, they've been better than ever. Yeah, no, there's a lot of new talent that's a lot of fun, including a bunch of hires that have come in from overseas that are really cool. Some big names too on the indie scene like Starboy Charlie, who's, you know, or Chaz now I should say, who people are super into. Also, let's not forget Keanu Carver is making his impression. He seems like a bit of a problem for you. Do you have things under control with young Keanu? So I can't – I definitely do not.

51:09I'm still learning the job. You knew Keanu from Evolve. The dude is, I don't know if all the screws are tightened in. I mean, he's definitely someone I don't want to be walking in a dark alley at night, and it's just me and him. His eyes freak me out. However, Shawn Michaels likes chaos. I kind of like chaos now. We're getting there. Every Tuesday night, it's getting a little better. I'm getting a little more comfortable in the seat. Now, we have a triple threat match now for the women's championship. and now JC Jane will have to deal with Lola and Kendall Gray. Obviously, we saw the end of what happened on Tuesday night.

51:44Wacky finish. Kendall seemed to tap right before maybe the three count. So now we'll have a triple threat for the title. People have been going insane for Kendall Gray. I don't know if you saw this yesterday. And this guy, by the way, he may need to just relax just a tad Just in terms of calm down, my guy. Yesterday, I read Dave Meltzer said Kendall Gray could become the greatest American-made women's wrestler of all time. I don't like keeping anything that lofty onto anyone. That just seems like an impossible. How does anyone live up to that? But, so I won't ask you to respond to that specifically.

52:29but have you been blown away with how much Kendall sort of been up to the task from when we called her first match on the first evolve to where she is right now? I mean, I was there when Kendall was in her first day of training. So, I mean, I saw her from way back in the beginning. You're right. That statement is, it's, it's a big statement. That's a lot to live up to. However, man, like you really do think about it and you say like, We started Evolve just a little over a year ago. And in that short amount, a year's not a lot of time in the WWE. Well, it is and it isn't. But in just over a year, I mean, look at where she's...

53:11She main evented NXT this past Tuesday night. All of our NXT road shows, the live events, she's been in numerous main events on those. And she's killing it. I don't think I've ever seen a Kendall Gray match where afterwards I didn't say she delivered. or I didn't say, there's really no critiques. I mean, it couldn't have been much better than it already is. And she's not even to the highest level yet. When she gets to a point, because you get better when you're in with better people, you get better in the ring when you're in with better talent. When she gets to Raw, when she gets to SmackDown and she's in with other competitors who have been doing this even longer than the competitor she's in there with now, her game is going to get even higher.

53:47When she's performing in front of bigger crowds on bigger shows, she's going to take herself to the next level. So greatest of all time, wow. that's that's strong but i mean i don't know somebody has to be it was kind of backhanded to me oh go ahead it's kind of backhanded you know because of the american part right the greatest american female wrestler of all time it's like hold on why the caveat why can't you just remove that little that little piece and throw her in because we know he has like a a japanese bias so he's like hold on i'm gonna say she's better than anybody from over there oh it's funny of Of course, my brain went to Rhea, right?

54:24As I'm like, oh, he doesn't want to say that she's going to surpass Rhea Ripley. But you're right, given his affinity for Japanese wrestling, maybe he means that. But I'm going to ask you about a couple of Americans that I was surprised. And I'm excited. I'll be co-hosting the Stand and Deliver Countdown show with Megan Morant on Saturday to get you guys ready for it on YouTube. But one thing that surprised me, Stone, and you're the GM, so you're the perfect person to answer to this. why did we get Miss Parker and Kehlani Jordan Jada and Kehlani on free TV this past week that that kind of to me felt like a pay-per-view level match and I'm a little surprised to not see Kehlani or Jada Parker on stand and deliver what are your thoughts on that I mean the reality is on shows like this you can only have so many matches in the time span that it is but remember every Tuesday night it's not just an ordinary Tuesday night I want to make every Tuesday night can't miss TV either so you need big matches on tuesdays also so yeah it wasn't on a ple it was on a tuesday night but it was in madison square garden the theater at madison square garden that's still like a pretty big deal for them to look back on and they were both happy about the opportunity and i don't know when you think of jada parker and kalani jordan uh the way they wanted to go at each other i just felt that new york city was the place to do it overst louis um am i going to have the pleasure you think of seeing you in Las Vegas this year?

55:47Are you planning on being in Las Vegas around WrestleMania? I bring you the great news that I will be in Las Vegas. We can link up and dinner's on you, right? Absolutely. Of course. Yes, of course. I mean, listen, you'll only eat lettuce and maybe some cherry tomatoes. I'm a cheap date. Yeah, you're a cheap date. Well, you're cheap, period, and a cheap date, 100%. But are you having the time of your life? You've done so many things, you know, and that's When I talk to people about working with you and you were incredibly patient and like, you know, this guy just – Stone just completely saved my ass.

56:24I did play-by-play with him for a full year and I had never done play-by-play and it was an opportunity I was really excited to get. But in order for me to be able to do it because I was just learning the craft of doing that part, it was imperative for me – like I would have failed had I not worked with someone. who did so much homework and knew so much about everyone the way you did. So I really can't thank you enough for the work that you put in. You saved my ass on many times, on many occasions, Stone, where I would call Evolve after doing a day of radio, and you would have so much information on everybody that I could just bounce off of you and ask you anything, and you would go.

57:05So I just wanted to take the time on the public platform to say, you work incredibly hard, and it is a treat to work with someone who takes it so seriously. Well, thank you. No, I appreciate that. And, dude, we had a blast. I miss it. That was awesome. It's a fun gig, and you are missed as well. And now I'm stuck with, you know, Block A. I'm sorry about that. Yeah. How bad is that? No, Blake Howard, it's tough. It's tough, but I'm powering through. Now, he's a wonderful guy as well, of course. But, obviously, I switched the role now, and now I'm doing – I'm trying to learn my best to do color commentary.

57:43again a little different because that's usually a role filled by an ex-wrestler don't tell the internet i'm not one but i'm doing my best to try to offer color on all these guys and you know learn from watching you do the job um but so now you're in it you're now you're an it's gal guy i am an it's gal guy and not only that i'm a big vp guy now you you have to be unbiased because you're the you're the gm i get to be completely biased because i'm an evolved guy So my evolved talent that goes to NXT, I openly root for. And I got to tell you, I was in headquarters this week to walk into headquarters and see where they have all the lit up posters of the current champions and see Vanity Project as NXT tag team champions.

58:31I saw your post. Yeah. Pretty, pretty cool. I got to ask you, though, like completely seriously, it is interesting that Jackson Drake was such a decorated champion in Evolve. Goes to NXT. Things are going great, of course. But now, Brad Baylor and Ricky Smokes are the tag champs. And he's now kind of the guy running alongside them instead of reverse. I'm sure you've been in every version of this. but what do you think it's like for Jackson Drake going from being the main guy, the champ in that stable to now being the guy without the title running with formerly swipe right? You know, I think he's still enjoying being on the platform on the CW and on NXT.

59:14And I, I think it's actually a good thing. He's slowly getting his feet wet in NXT. It's a new space and first, first impressions mean a lot. So you go in there, you rush into things, you lose a few matches. That's not good. Now he's getting used to it. And I feel like when he gets more opportunities, he's a guy who could build up with wins, get North American championship opportunities. And I think he's a future big-time player. Remember, I mean, is Jackson, is he 21? Is he still 21? I mean, remember how young he is. So just to be able to chill out and take it all in, I almost think that's going to work to his advantage.

59:47Before we let you go, and again, stand and deliver tomorrow on YouTube, Countdown Show just before. It's going to be a great night. Incredible card. Every title on the line. You got a four-way for the NXT men's championship, both North American titles on the line, tag titles on the line. It's a completely stacked night. Give us one NXT talent you've seen who might be someone we're not thinking about yet because our eyes are so focused on the Saul Rukas and the Ricky Saints. Who is that name that you've seen that you go, wow, this person is truly next at NXT? well so i'm going to tell you something who comes to mind when um when i go wow i don't i don't know where they're headed but they're certainly headed somewhere he's actually in a a 10 person mixed in a mixed tag team match on the pre-show and it's shiloh hill there's something about him the missing teeth he's got a few screws loose i don't i don't know if you realize how intelligent that dude is.

1:00:48He's got degrees from colleges and I forget the college you went to, but it's a real... Where did you go again? Yeah, it's definitely not Kean University. Kean University, that's right. It's a high up college. Okay, so there you go. So he's super smart. He's great in the ring. He's got a great attitude. And he's just like, I don't know if McFoley... Something is a little off about him. Maybe like a new age McFoley. but he's going to be somebody. He's going to be a player. Stone, you are a player. We love getting to watch you on the CW every week. Good luck at your first stand and deliver, and thanks for making time for us.

1:01:28Thank you, man. Thanks, Stone. Appreciate it. The great Robert Stone from NXT, back with your phone calls at 877-344-4893 as Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Nintendo Entertainment System presents Brutus the Barber Beefcake. This barbershop runs on the sheer power of the strutting stylist. And once the appointment is made, it's not long before his client is powerless. Brutus the Barber Beefcake, a cut above the rest. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Cheap Heat Live. Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 is right. SGG, Peter Rosenberg.

1:02:06Again, Dips said he would be calling, but he has not called. Hollywood Talk. Hollywood talk, as you said.

1:02:19SUG, where do you want to go right now? What has been most pressing? I want to get to the phone lines, 877-344-4893. We did some stuff on Seth and Gunther, talked about the excitement around having a fatal five-way ladder match, which I'm stoked about. How are you feeling at this moment about what we've seen from your guy, Roman Reigns, in this whole CM Punk Roman Reigns thing? I don't like that he got jumped on Monday and it seems that there won't be any repercussions for the producers or the agents or whatever you want to call them in the suits how they all just swarmed around my guy um but I'm still holding on to the belief that the bloodline the bloodline is back the Usos did lose their tag titles so they might be distracted with that a little bit on uh on the road to Wrestlemania and even at Wrestlemania but I think when it all said and done hopefully they are back together they all have some gold and Roman Reigns does what he needs to do and just puts CM Punk on his ass takes his title and makes all right within the WWE Universe because that's really what we want we want to see Roman Reigns as champion

1:03:37that's what you want I'd be happy with it I don't know do I care about it from a championship standpoint do I care about it yes the tribal chief wants a championship so we want him to get the championship I know that's how you feel I know I know that's how we feel yeah no on a serious note yeah go ahead on a serious note too we do have to talk about Randy Orton who he's on the phone with too let's go so let me get your thoughts So I was listening to Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7, as you do, and I heard two thoughts that seemed to merge into, like I put them together in my brain. One came from a caller who was on last night with Robin Lundberg, and one came from Sam.

1:04:25I forget what day it was, but Sam mentioned that whoever's revealed, we need a why. We need a good why. And I don't know what this person's contract status is, but if Dustin Rhodes is available, which again, I don't know if he is, that's a good person to have be Randy Orton's backup. because it has to be somebody that plays into this idea that wrestling has more than one royal family, right? Which opens up the possibility for a Ric Flair, maybe even Randy Orton's own father, maybe a Shane McMahon. That's a name I've seen thrown about a lot. But Dustin, Cody's brother, being somebody who's like, yeah, he thinks that he's the one to represent my family.

1:05:12And he's always felt like he's better than me when I'm the natural. I paved the way he sidelined me as his big brother that's a good why and him being the guy for randy orton that would be a good reveal but we're gonna find out tonight i don't know if it's gonna be dustin being the guy for randy yeah because he's jealous of his brother well i will say this they have found a way you know to make this completely compelling in terms of what's going to happen tonight like considering the phone call thing at first I thought seemed very whatever now we're here and it's like alright no but who's it going to be and I gotta tell you guys I listened to a lot of Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 this week just like SGG a lot of y 'all need to relax a lot of you have lost your mind people calling up saying it's Vince McMahon what are you people are saying people just say crazy i heard a guy called megan this week and say jake the snake like this guy jake the snake is also a multi-generational wrestler though second generation it has to be it has to be a second or third generation person it can't or like you know the patriarch or matriarch of a wrestling family like it cannot just be like a random person yeah and i heard someone suggest john cena no no oh by the way cena's back hosting wrestlemania that that's by the way that news is the most modern day wwe thing ever that like they retire and the next day host wrestlemania i listen i it's cool i'll be happy to see john and i'm not it'll be effective but like sometimes i think a little room to breathe to make you miss someone a little bit?

1:07:10It's not just the modern-day WWE. But didn't Tom Brady do that, right? He retired, and then next season he's in the commentary booth. He wasn't going to stay away for that long. We all knew that. That long. This is less – SGG, this is shorter than his regular time away. It is. But I won't feel cheated unless we get a match. Like, oh, we celebrated with you. People cried for you, and then you came back. I'll take the match. I don't care. Do it all. You know me. I didn't want it to end with the half smile. So I'll take it. But so it's not going to be John Cena, who we know is coming back. Unless we're real.

1:07:50It's not going to be Dustin Rhodes. It's not going to be Dustin Rhodes, and it's not going to be Cowboy Bob Orton. Like, why would it have to be a secret, him talking to his dad? Is the crowd going to pop that big? If Randy's dad came back, we've seen his dad come back a bunch of times. His dad always can come back. Yeah.

1:08:10That's the key point, too. Like, why would it be a secret if he's talking to his dad? Yeah. You can rip the bandaid off right away if it was his dad. It's going to be fun. I am interested in it, and I will say this. You know, Dip and I had a private conversation, and since you can't get him on the show, I might as well just tell you this. When we spoke this week, we were talking about how the stories getting to all of these matches have not been the best stories. But when you get to the actual card, it's going to be a beast of a card. Yeah. Punk Roman, Punk Roman, Cody, Randy, Stephanie live, which is honestly, Stephanie lives.

1:08:54Whatever. The Stephanie title reign has been. Eh, it's, it feel like it felt like it felt like they got caught in a weird spot where it was forced to go too long almost, SUG. I think I would have cut it off sooner and maybe had Raquel take it off of her and then had Raquel and Liv split. I think that could have been maybe a little bit more compelling for me. But when we get there, this is going to be fun. I do think Liv Morgan is taking the title off of Stephanie Vicarra. That is what I imagine is going to happen. Either way, big names. Jade and Rhea. Do I love how we got there? That's fine. We're okay.

1:09:33You know? Listen, Obabrock, again, open challenge. No major creativity to getting there, but Obabrock is a marquee matchup. AJ Lee, Becky Lynch, right now still just a singles match. Wonder if we'll get a stip of some sort, but we have their match. Sammy and Trick, that one actually told a little story getting there. Listen, I saw some people questioning Trick getting involved in Sami's match and helping him win to ensure that they get their match at WrestleMania. Sort of counterintuitive, but we got there. And either way, I think it's the right match for Trick because guess what? Trick Williams is beating the hell out of Sami Zayn at WrestleMania.

1:10:19I don't know. I'll say this. I don't think that Trick helped Sami Zayn to get. the story right now has has actually been Sami Zayn can he do something dastardly to win right because there were a couple of matches where Sami Zayn lost the opportunity because people tried to interfere and he wanted it he wanted to do it the right way to the point where he crashed out a couple of times because doing it the right way wasn't working out for him so when Trick Trik interfered and hit Melo. Sami Zayn was happy to take advantage of the interference. And what was Trik's reaction, right? Trik was like, look, my bad.

1:11:06I'm sorry. You don't really get that out of a heel, right? You don't really get an apology out of the bad guy. Trik was like, I didn't mean it. I apologize. My bad. Meanwhile, Sami's like, yo, by any means necessary, I'm the champion. I'm not saying that we got a double turn. What I'm saying is if Sami Zayn continues to be Dashly to hold on to that title, don't be surprised. And don't be surprised if him doing so causes the reunion that, let's be honest, fans have been waiting for since they both ended up on the same roster again. Trick and Mellow Gang, the sequel. Don't be surprised. And also, we got to get somewhere with Mellow, right?

1:11:51Like, are we just going to lose? We can't just lose Melo after this year. He's not on WrestleMania at all. I think he'll, I think he'll be added. I think, you know, card subject to change. The story has to play out, but you know, we, people just can't forget that part that we've been so focused on trick and him getting to WrestleMania and saying Carmelo's guaranteed a spot because he's champion and all these foregone conclusions cause people to overlook one of the major characters in this story, Sami Zayn, and his changing philosophy on how to be a wrestler. You know what I mean? He now has no issues doing something underhanded if it's going to get the job done.

1:12:35How's that going to play into how he carries himself in the future? I don't know. But again, he did not give a damn that Trick interfered and Trick was the one to apologize to Mello and sort of feel remorseful. That's not done by accident. They weren't breaking character. That is part of the story that I think is going to, that those details are going to get blown up. We'll see where it goes. Let it play out. Lipo gang. But I'm not so sure that that means... I really think you need to workshop that. Just acronym. I don't think that that means that Trick is going to walk out with the United States Championship.

1:13:11I think for that to go where it needs to go, Trick does it get that title man that jericho theme song sounded so good uh on wednesday i i i love judas dude i love judas more than i love jericho i feel like you're not alone in that judas is just it's so good for a wrestling theme song like it is just an all-timer and i like it so much better i like it way better than break the walls down it's my favorite jericho it's my favorite one i mean i know people love that like the whole way you get to break the walls down and the first note of break the wall down but but i don't like where break the walls down goes whereas i really love like as as judas gets goes on to me s-u-g gets better like i like the song as it builds um i gotta tell you guys if you listen to the things I say on this show even though I've never taken a bump and I'm just a lucky fan I do and why would we listen I know but I do give you guys gems we did say on this show once the rumble happened Jericho ain't ever going to WWE that was it when rumble passed that was the end of the line but I'll tell you one thing because my guy got in shape for he is in WWE shape on AEW.

1:14:47Like, as you can tell, you could tell he made the Jericho did the I'm going back to WWE workout plan. I mean, he looks he had the eight pack going. Yeah, the shape that he showed up in makes me feel like like you said, that was WWE shape. I don't know that that was AEW shape. I feel like maybe it was in the cards and then it didn't work out. I'll never know. And it really doesn't matter. But him showing up looking the way he did is almost like you were trying to cross the street, weren't you? You were geared up to cross the street. It felt like it. It felt like it. But I will say, man, him coming back in Winnipeg on Dynamite.

1:15:32Was it rumored that he was going to come back that night, SGG? Because I knew nothing about it. I missed the show. saw the next day he came back and then i went watch it like the day of because believe it or not the rumors were all that he was headed to wwe and then maybe a day or two before could have been even the day of then it starts to take a change of like oh jericho's back wednesday you're gonna want to watch and uh it did hit i gotta say also uh i'm excited for kenny omega and max to hopefully do their thing like in a real way. They'll have their match at Dynasty and I'm stoked about that.

1:16:07Also, we don't give... We always talk about entrances. You know, Dip doesn't love the camera shake from Javon Evans. Everyone has to have like their own entrance thing. Do we give enough credit to MJF for the pinky ring into the camera kiss? No. It's fire. The pinky ring to the camera kiss is fire. And the fact that they... I don't know when they started doing it, SGG? I thought it was just like lights. I noticed this week they rolled out the Burberry rug for him all the way down the ramp. That's fine. Like they really came out and roll out an entire Burberry thing. And then when he hits the whole flag drop, the MJF flag drop from the ceiling.

1:16:51Oh, that's crazy. It's wild. Oh, ladies and gentlemen, dip is on the line. Ladies and gentlemen, the great Dipperstein. Dip, hi, how are you? I am great. I am great. And then my name is Zipperstein. That's right. Dip, SGG predicted you might not make it to the show at all. Thank you for gracing us on the last segment. You're welcome. You are so welcome. Yep. Is it the last segment? Yo, sure it is. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, the lines are flying off the... They're off the heezy. They're off the heezy. Wow. What are you guys talking about? So we're a lot of Randy, a lot of what's going to happen with Randy tonight.

1:17:32The reveal for who Randy's talking to. People are interested. Yeah. I mean. You have a thought? I think it's KO. I know I've seen a lot of speculation about it being KO. I think. Really? I haven't heard that one yet. That's a good. It's either KO and then also you saw in the background of the footage that they showed of him talking. I look like Cowboy Bob, right, in the background. What, the picture? Yeah. Yeah, but that, to me, was the giveaway that it's, like, not family. Not him. Right, right. Dipperstein, are you excited for Stand and Deliver? I am. I am. I really am. Do you plan on standing?

1:18:16I love going to NXT events. I really do. Do you plan on standing?

1:18:23It depends how close I am. If I'm in the front, I'm not going to be able to stand. the whole time, but I know I'm pretty sure I'm going to deliver. But either way, that's what I'm saying. Either way, you're delivering. Am I right? I'm definitely going to be delivering, and if I have the ability to stand, I'm going to stand. Listen, you are a great guy. Have a great time in St. Louis. Everyone enjoy Stand and Deliver. SGG, maybe we'll link up on Sunday for a little watch along with my brother. Sounds good to me, man. So if you don't know, get on our Patreon. Cheap Heat Live on Patreon. Susumo, Zach, thank you so much.

1:19:03We'll catch you guys next week.