Same Ol' SGG

0:28It's Jeep Heat. With Peter Rosenberg featuring Stat Guy Greg and Dip. All right. Well, today it's just going to be Stat Guy Greg. Dip is in Florida with family handling some stuff. He'll be back next week. But we send our love out to Dip and the fam. Welcome to Cheap Heat on this November 7th weekend. Your forever 24-7 champion Peter Rosenberg in New York City. In Philadelphia, the physically large Stat Guy Greg. That's right. Still physically large. large still physically large don't you get worried yeah don't want anyone to get concerned and think oh wait is he getting in shape because he just turned 40 is he dropping lb nope don't you worry same old greg that's right that's right ever since i was a lowercase g um ever since wow good for you knowing the reference oh that's a different one you went You went Montel Jordan.

1:24That's how we do it. I was singing. Sam OG, Genuine. Sam OG, Genuine. Yeah. I want to see how long it can take Zach. I don't care if I'm in the middle of a segment. It's serious. We're allowed to play music. I want to see how long it takes Zach to find Sam OG by Genuine. I just want to hear that guitar, bam, on the air right now. Let's see how fast you can find a Sam OG. It's a slept-on, fantastic tune. Yeah, it is. I love it for obvious reasons. any references to G so did you used to run with same old G oh yeah now that I'm older now that I'm older I'll move on to the Montel Jordan ever since I was a lower case SGG it's three minutes into the show if you want to rescind that I'm giving you an opportunity to not associate your brand with this is how we do it it's up to you what's wrong with this is how we do it I mean what's not wrong with this is how we do it It is everything.

2:22This is how we do it to me is one of the worst popular hip hop R &B songs of all time. Now, that doesn't mean I have no use for it, but I have almost no use for it. Wow. Yeah. Is this a hot take? Yeah, I think so. I think so. You think it's a hot take to hate? This is how we do it by Montel Jordan. Yes, I do. It's so cringe. Like everything about it is so cringe. Like I hate that he took the slick Rick beat. I hate that there are people that would hear that instrumental and not some. Most people would hear this is how we do it and think that beat is from that song and not children's story. That alone breaks me as a person.

3:17But you're taking that out on the wrong person. You need to take that out on those people. That's not a Martell Jordan problem. But then like, by the way, Zach, why have we not still heard Samuel G? What's going on? You couldn't find it? Yeah, no, to be honest with you, I did step away right after the open hit to go take a piss. So that's 100 % on me. Christ, Zach, you unprofessional hack. Sorry, I had to make sure the show went on the air and then I really had to go. And then you had to urinate. We need Samuel G by Genuine as fast as you can possibly get it. getting it ready for you. I didn't know we could get paid to go to the bathroom.

3:52I thought that was for the break. By the way, this isn't going to happen in Mom Donnie's New York. All right? I'm not accepting on-the-clock urination in the Mom Donnie era. That ain't happening. Affordability, yeah. Workers' rights, absolutely not. Well, no. Workers' rights within reason. We want you to get paid the highest rate possible and have the best treatment ever. But that doesn't mean that you go draining the tube snake in the middle of the number one show on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7, even if the host baby is making noise in the back. All right, turn this up for a second.

4:29Pause that, please. Pause, pause. Why? Explain why the first lyric is, the only time I drink a 40 is when I want to drink a... Babe, can you get this white baby? For God's sake, she won't stop. Do you know that line from Wanette? No. So Saifah Sounds tells a story. Saifah Sounds tells a story. He's been telling the story on the show for 20 years. If you guys are just listening, you don't know, I started the first ever hip-hop podcast with my friend Saifah Sounds, and it's now like a niche hip-hop podcast for hardcore fans of the 90s hip-hop and things of that nature. And Saif used to DJ for Lil' Kim, which is also an inside joke on the show, but it's true.

5:15and Sife tells the story of being on a plane with junior mafia and Lil C's once yelling out, somebody shut that white baby up on a plane.

5:31So when I'm doing the podcast and the baby makes noise, Sife always refers to her as that white baby. Now, by the way, and I do have hope with Natalie's roots being in Iraq and Tunisia, I'm hoping that white baby isn't necessarily always on the table. We're going to see how time plays out. Pigment takes time, SGG. Golden brown, like a nice olive. Yeah, you've seen tan Natalie before. Yeah. Very Middle Eastern. It's on the table. Now, the first words to say, Moldy, by Genuine are, the only time I drink a 40 is when I want to drink a 40. I don't understand what bold declaration are you making, sir?

6:13Like, why? Were people trying to force you to drink a 40? I think the energy that he's trying to come with with that line, which I respect and honestly I live my life by, is I do what I want, when I want. And not necessarily that people are trying to force me to drink a 40, but that I am so – I don't think self-centered is the word, but I am so comfortable being me. That's right. I do what I want. You can just be him. When I want. Yes. regardless of whatever pressures are coming out, whatever everybody else is doing around, that doesn't change me. I am still the same old G. Bring that back in for a second, Zach.

6:54We're going to get to wrestling in a second right here. Bring the same old G back. It's an important moment here. He says that when I live with a girl, I live without one but two. Okay. He doesn't want to hurt nobody. You only live once, they told him.

7:10Here's the chorus. Important. That's right.

7:21I can only be SGG. That's right. Why did we do this sooner?

7:33SGG. What are we doing? We were so late to this, but now we're here. Yeah, same old G is SGG. We need to record this song. Anyways, guys, welcome to the show. As you can see, shot out of a cannon today. Talking about genuine. You didn't know you'd get that. White babies. There's so much happening in the world. It's been a rough week for me. Started Sunday night with watching my quarterback get blown up on Sunday night football. Although, by the time the week has ended now, this is the crazy thing about life. I went to bed on Friday night. and well first of all I did something I never do I turned the game off in the third quarter because that was a huge game and once I saw they were blown out I wanted to quit at halftime I didn't stuck through the third quarter and I said you know what you know what I'm an adult the only time I drink a 40 is when I want to drink a 40 and I said I've been a fan of this team game for 40 goddamn years.

8:44If I want to turn off the game because I got a long week and they didn't show up to play, I'm allowed to turn off the TV and go to bed. I'm a man. They took the night off. Why can't you? Exactly. Y 'all took the night off. I'm going to bed. So I went to bed and I was in bed for about, I texted several people because, you know, I'm texting people during the game as one tends to. and I texted several people because I felt guilty so I had to express it hey I'm doing something I don't normally do I'm going to bed I had to let people know I don't do this but I gotta go to bed nah Pete from now we're not doing that like you said the only time you drink a 40 is when you want to drink a 40 you're right I don't need to report to people that I'm going to bed but I'm tying this back into wrestling and a world class name drop so I'm texting with some people about you know what enough is enough I'm going to bed and then 15 minutes later a slew of texts come in none of them good and one of them came from Seth Rollins a revolutionary a visionary Seth freaking Rollins who said I hope you in fact went to bed and I said what and then I turned on my phone and I saw a horrible looking video I don't think I've ever seen a worse looking injury that turned out to be less of an injury than what it appears happened with Jaden did you ever see the video SJJ?

10:31no I did not see the video if you just type in his name on Twitter or it'll still be the first thing that pops up, but he gets thrown down, and it's funny, Goldstein texted me, our buddy Andrew Goldstein of the Jew World Order, he texted me and he goes, I kept thinking of wrestling in that moment because it was such a wrestler thing to know how to fall in a way to protect yourself, and Jaden did the opposite. He threw his off-hand down, landed on his hand, and Zach, did you think for a second his elbow might pop out through the skin? I thought he hurt his leg because when I didn't see it happen live and it looked like when they showed him on the ground he was kicking his leg so I thought he hurt his leg and then I think they faded to black like go to commercial before they showed the actual injury replay again yeah and then when they showed that I was like oh my god like his arms bent backwards I mean I thought I had to I didn't realize it was his left at first I thought it was his right arm so I was like oh my god no no and then when you see it the way it twists there's a world in which that pops through the skin like it looked close enough to that and then i see him walking off with a brace on and he's kind of like wincing and holding his arm and i'm like and then there's the football fan of me that kicks in not to be selfish but i go well it wasn't his throwing arm so he this might this might be okay he's gonna be back he might be okay rub some dirt on it my guy he might be all right and um And then it turned out, not only was it not a fracture, just a dislocation, there was no ligament damage, which is amazing.

12:06So it's just interesting to see, you know, and by the way, I still don't really want him to play this year. I think it's time to basically wrap him up, put him in bubble wrap and kind of call it a day. But to know that you're not thinking about some huge surgery and all of the stuff, but he can rest up. and next year could we suck anyway right now to just have him ready for next year was wonderful wonderful news and and obviously he's a lovely man my daughter's middle name came from this man we care for him deeply his name is jayden daniels so it's funny how things can change over the course of a week and sg over the course the last week the landscape of wwe has changed quite a bit tremendously multiple new champions a tournament to determine john cena's final opponent um so The winner of that gets the John Cena Memorial Championship, I guess.

12:53I don't know. They're killing him? They're killing him, too? They're making a memorial championship? Damn, John. His career. He's definitely getting the I'm sorry, I love you treatment. Yeah, yeah. So we got that. We have Jade Cargill as champion. We have CM Punk as champion. We have Logan Paul talking about joining the Vision, or at least overtures potentially of Logan Paul joining the Vision. um aew has decided to unveil wait for it another championship in the midst of a tournament for another championship because they still have the tag the women's tag team type of tournament is still going on although i will tell you they did something i'd never seen before i i enjoyed did you see the clip by the any chance of hangman page pretending to be shivani i did it got he got me he got you he got me i was like oh yeah that's him because I knew it wasn't Tony speaking into the mic.

13:48Right. But it did look like him. Hangman as Shivani was hilarious. So we got to talk about the prospect. Now, listen, I went and did a Patreon this week. SUG and Dip were busy. And if you're not a member of Patreon, patreon.com slash cheap heat live. And I did a Patreon this week because it had just happened. Saturday Night's Man event had just happened. So I broke that all down and did some other stuff. So if you want to hear that full episode, You can do that plus much more. We are overdue for another episode for this week. I'd like to get us all together if we can. I have some watch along ideas that I mentioned that I want to get to.

14:24But today here on the free program on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7, you got to hear our takes from Saturday Night's Main Event as well as our thoughts on the tournament. Plus, I got to argue with the promo that we just played of Sam Roberts talking. Yeah, I do too. the sam the sam line of if it was really a fumble then why would we still be excited about what's going to happen no we have to i mean listen like a true fake football fan coming from a fellow fake football fan like yes it's still a fumble we can still be excited about what's to come but yes so far it has been a fumble. Sometimes fumbles are recovered at the end.

15:10Oh, you got jumped on top of it. It was still a fumble. Yeah, some bright spots, but the disasters seem to be outweighing the bright spots and that is why so far we've been calling it a fumble. Yeah, and I just don't agree with Sam Roberts' sentiment. The idea he says, and maybe we could play it again coming back at the top of the next hour. Well, if it was a fumble, then why would we care about where he lands at? Well, we care because it's John Cena. And by the way, he's had fantastic matches, some of the best matches of his career. So you're damn right we're excited, Sammy, about who he's going to have a match with.

15:52However, that doesn't mean that there was no fumble here. Something happened. Something went awry. you know but listen sam literally the day after the promo in which john basically said all right well i'm tired of being a bad guy so i'm gonna be a good guy sam is so good at talking wrestling that i sat in the tv locker room and he managed to convince me of why that was actually dope and then i walked away and as the day went on i'm like how did he convince me of that what the hell insane it wasn't dope though it wasn't and that's he gave me all the ins sam's so knowledgeable and has so much insight that i'm like you're consuming it in a way where you're able to make anything good but if you watch that the way a fan would have watched it he didn't say any of the things that you're saying he said so i want to and listen we know the brand it's shill sammy shill so it makes sense but we do want to talk about that matter of fact i'll put that out as the first topic of the day has the cena heel turn and the comeback or this final run essentially been a fumble or has it been great because it landed in the right spot we're all excited to see what happens 877-344-4893 but sgg i talked about on the patreon episode but i got to talk about it with you you know what were your thoughts on the very now very controversial now that we're looking back six days later your thoughts on the very controversial world title match between jay Jey Uso and CM Punk?

17:19Not a good match. Not a good match. I don't know if they just don't have chemistry. Because, you know, the problem with Jey Uso and CM Punk being in a match together is that I think their styles are similar. in that they have both been allowed to be, you know, not the most polished performers, you know, not Kurt Hennig, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, but because it adds to their overall character that they can be a little bit what some fans might call sloppy or, you know, the botches get forgiven. When you put two people like that together, somebody has to fill that other spot of, you know, bringing it all together and making it look good and having both of them shine.

18:11So I didn't realize how risky it was to put CM Punk and Jey Uso in the ring together. But apparently it was. That aspect of their in-ring style is so similar. But yeah, it never started to click. They never hit that second gear that makes you want to say, this is the main event. Like this is the show closer. And I feel like having watched the show, maybe Cody and Drew should have been the closer. Maybe we start with that because, you know, you never want to end like that. Yeah, it is. Well, they did the opposite. They ran out Cody and Drew first because at Wrestlepalooza, Cody and Drew went last and there were some boo birds.

19:00and I think they thought the story around the world title is going to be a lot hotter than the story around Cody's title with Drew. It turns out Cody and Drew had a banger. I thought. I really enjoyed that match. I agree. I think their chemistry is really good. I thought Dan Engler as the ref did a great job. The ref spot was fun. All that stuff worked and they had the title match last and the chemistry just wasn't there. and it's unfortunate. It's an unfortunate. Listen, I don't want to overdo it because a lot of people, you know, we've talked about this before, don't really know what they're talking about when they assess out who messed up what and look at this and look at that.

19:44Right. I can't speak to all of that for sure, but, you know, I asked a couple of wrestlers, I said, did you see this clip of Punk supposedly kicking Uso, Jey Uso after the neckbreaker that didn't look right. What does this look like to you? You know? Right. And they seemed to think it looked like what people thought it looked like, which was, you know, Jey did get that, mess that up, and Punk was frustrated and gave him that little boot to wake him up, and they did it again. I also didn't know what was up with that spot on the outside when Punk just randomly went and got the water and poured it all over.

20:27Yeah. Did you think the same thing? I thought the same thing. I was like. That's what a heel, because Punk's not a heel. And Jay's not a heel. So it was a weird. We've seen that before. Like, I'm just going to dump water on you because. Like, we've seen that in a match before. But it didn't. When I'm watching, I go, that's weird in that moment. It seems like you're, like, actually annoyed. Yeah. Again, I hate to say this. we don't love seeing sloppy wrestling matches but all of this conversation is why we love wrestling it's literally precisely why we love it because we're like trying to dissect what's actually happening and what happened between these guys this is what we enjoy and we love but in the end not great but we get there and by the time we get to Monday the crowd is very excited to see CM Punk as champion I'm a little disappointed that this is how we got to Punk's title reign but who knows maybe Punk is disappointed too I don't know maybe he really would have preferred for it to take longer and they just weren't sure what to do SGG I loved the thought that someone would get involved in Saturday Night's Main Event and the title change wouldn't happen there only because I feel like the Punk story we've been running with is can he get to the top of the mountain and I kind of was ready for him to keep going to the top of the mountain, not to get there at this point.

21:55The question is, and this is going to be in my opinion, the biggest test of CM Punk's comeback to WWE, which so far you'd have to argue as we approach two years in, has been a rousing success. Yeah. SGG, the Oracle, nailed it. punk has been a much better version of punk than he was in a w there's no question about it he he sees the writing on the wall whatever it is he's matured the bag is right he respects the powers that whatever it is even if he's still spiteful right that's a hell of a motivator people have accomplished great things off of spite so you never know what what part it is and you can you can clearly tell there's some spite at a w based on the picture that he had them take afterwards yeah I mean Punk whatever whatever feelings he had towards WWE for a long time he seems to have transferred those to AEW on some level you know he's he's said he said your handful of things and that picture of him Jade Ricky and Cody all with their titles I mean hell did he fly in Ricky just for the Ricky Ricky wasn't even on the show i gotta find out if we just have jaded cody it might be like okay whatever they really worked that night ricky i mean maybe ricky was just there hanging with cody i don't know but um yeah punk obviously still has some thoughts about everything that transpired at aew but so now as i was saying this has been a rousing success the whole run for cm punk the great test in my opinion will be how does it go sgg with him as a baby face champion just running with that title i i think this will be the most interesting test so far because the first couple years he if you have the comeback incredible he gets hurt people miss him he has to come back from that he's got him and drew have just bangers and are perfect together now he's got a story with seth the perfect foil.

24:07Punk gets to the top of the mountain. It gets taken away. All of these things have set him up to really be in a great spot for when that music hits. Everyone is cheering for CM Punk. As Cody Rhodes could tell you, I'm sure it starts to get tougher after a little while when you have that title on your shoulder and you're walking out every week to grab the mic. It's a different sort of challenge as a baby face champion, SGG. So I'm going to be very interested to see how punk does it how the character evolves what storylines come where we go it seems like they're lining him up if they're lining him up for logan paul to be his first foil that's a great way to get things going because people love i don't even know they love to hate logan paul they hate logan paul yeah so it's a perfect setup if that's where they're going to go early on?

25:01I think the benefit to being CM Punk is that I think CM Punk comes with a certain level of authenticity that Cody Rhodes just doesn't have because people don't believe that he's that guy. So when he grabs the mic and he comes out in the suit and he does the whole kissing babies and shaking hands and I'll stay for every fan thing, people still don't believe that that's really Cody. So they still believe that that's a little fake and they're waiting for him to show a crack so they can turn on him. And I think that Punk, that's the one thing that Punk doesn't have. When he comes out, people connect with him because they believe that that's the real guy, because we've seen him make mistakes.

25:42We've seen him be a dick. We've seen him come back, seen him apologize, seen him walk those things back. So like Punk has done all of that so that when he comes out on a Monday night as Babyface champion, he doesn't have the same challenges as of Cody on Friday as a babyface champion because people are still looking at Cody like alright this character is great but do we really know that guy and the sad thing is he is letting you know him he is giving you the opportunity to get to know Cody the guy but people just don't believe it isn't that crazy too because like from everything I've seen he really is the guy same I've never seen him not be the guy now I'm not saying he's he's not a human being and doesn't have moments of like anger or or you know spite himself or all the different things that human beings have but it is interesting so but the thing the thing is punk they all believe punk is the guy and it's crazy because like all you have to do is pay a little bit of attention to punk like and how he carries themselves in general and you can tell he's not that guy yeah like like punk is treated like the ultimate baby face and you can tell that the way punk generally carries himself he does not suffer fools no like punk never comes off he rarely comes off as fuzzy okay the only way punk comes off as warm and fuzzy is in his relationship with aj that is the most baby oh and larry his relationship with Larry the dog and AJ is super warm and fuzzy every other way that punk is is not warm and fuzzy Cody really seems to always be that guy and yet the people are always desperate to cheer punk and desperate to boo Cody Rhodes but you know why and I'm gonna tie it back to those two songs that we started the show with.

27:47Because when you get Punk, he lets you know right out the gate. The only time I drink a 40 is when I want to drink a 40. And that's just how it is. And then on the other side, when you get Cody, he comes in with the energy of, this is how we do it. It's Friday night, and I feel alright. And not everybody's buying in on that. Not everybody sold on that. I don't know how you did it, SJJ. You're proud of yourself. I can see it in your eyes. I am. You're very proud of yourself. You'll see. Do you see that? He was like, I did it. I vibrated. You don't always get that. He found a way to compare Punk and Cody Rhodes to Genuine and Montel Jordan only on this show.

28:39It's the only place you could do it. It's a very interesting point. And yes, the only time Punk wants to drink a 40 is never. In fact, he'd be a totally different person if he decided that he wanted to do that. It's a very interesting point, though. And we'll get more into that. 877-344-4893. And also your calls on the John Cena story and how you think it's played out thus far. We also have to get into the Jade Cargill of it all. There's a whole lot of different stuff happening as we are now just a couple of days away from the Boston Raw. when we'll unveil who's in the tournament, at least some of those people, and then a week away from the MSG Raw.

29:19And then after that, you're a week and a half away from Survivor Series. And then after that, we're just a couple of weeks away from the end in Washington, D.C. So we'll talk to you guys next here. It's Sheep Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. To be the World Wrestling Federation champion, you've got to want it every day. It takes an integrated approach to training, and that is what IcoPro is all about.

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30:11Oh, yeah, baby. Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. It's G.P. Live. I really should have. I'm sorry that I didn't get my hair cut before doing this show because I am on camera. This video is going to exist. It looks like a freaking mess. Forever. Or as long as... Look at this. Look at this. If you're watching us on YouTube, I'm a freaking... I mean, it's just a disaster. Emilio, give us a tight zoom on that. Or no. Don't do it. Don't. Don't. Don't do that. It's terrible. I just it's been a lot going on so much going on in the world long week I was outside the other night I went to the premiere of the Vince Staples show they did a little like little thing to watch that's a good show I enjoyed season one I did too it was good I enjoyed it and the first two episodes of season two were even better.

31:10I need to watch it. Yeah, it drops soon. It drops soon. 877-344-48... It's not out yet, is it? I saw it on Netflix, but you know how they have it up there, but then it's like, you remind me, or it's coming Wednesday, or whatever the hell. So I gotta see if it's actually out. But I will be watching. 877-344-4893 If you want to talk about the scene of it all, or anything else, get on the line with us. Also, shout out to our boy, R-Truth. R-Truth's doing a one-night-only show in New York City on the Sunday night before the Raw at MSG. He'll be at SOBs. If you want tickets, SOBs.com. But it should be a lot of fun with R-Truth.

31:55Yo, by the way. I was going to say, what if his childhood hero. What if his older brother, his younger, older brother? His older brother, childhood hero. John Cena shows up. Amazing. Can you imagine? That would be amazing. If he shows up and did Bad Man or My Time Is Now. Or the rumor is, and I think it's less of a rumor that's been confirmed, that they have a song together that has never been heard. Whoa. If they do that,

32:41it would send the world into a different orbit if that happened yeah um ron cena new john cena um sgg now what did you think of the jade cargill champion when what did i think okay so i have you know some conflicting thoughts about it oh i think she and like it's past time to have put the world title on her whether it's in wwe or aw it's past time for her to be the world champion but as i watched the match i felt like actually is it is that thought correct because it felt to me watching the match like yes she dominated it was a squash she hit a lot of power moves but it felt too performance to me then like you know the suspension of disbelief level of athleticism that you get out of some of these other power performers, right?

33:48Like, every time she hit a move, she did a pose, she would do her taunt, she would make this face that was more like, you know, pretend to be mad than like actual menacing. And those are the little things that took me out of the performance. And it made it feel like she was still, I don't want to say play fighting, but that's when it felt like it comes from her and i feel like the best of the best performers especially at that level because you can get away with that if you're not sniffing the title right you can get away with that if you're just like somebody that's there to make other people look good and put other people over but if you're going to be the champion then those little quirks sort of become unforgivable so up until the run to the title i overlooked those things but as it became more clear that she was going to get the championship, it's like, this is unacceptable.

34:48This is unacceptable. And, you know, Booker T made a quip. I think it was about Jade Cargill that, you know, hey, she can come down to my wrestling school, you know, that people took some kind of way. Natty has the dungeon. Bayley advertised that she was doing a seminar for women's wrestlers only. There's the performance center. You just think there's still work that needs to be done. Yeah. Those little quirks, we got to get rid of them somewhere along the way. Because on the flip side, you have Raquel, who's also in that lane of dominant power women's wrestler. And she does none of that. Not only does she not do any of that, but weeks after Kevin Nash criticized her and said, I would like her to perform bigger and see these things out of her, you see the switch flip and you see her in-ring performances feel more dominant.

35:43dominant, get better. And it's like, Jade, come on. Don't you think some of Raquel's improvement though is probably after her and I went on the Quokka mission in Perth? Of course. Of course. And I'm sure Jade was invited to that. That's right. You know, she could have looked up with Quokka Flocka Flame. Yeah, but she didn't. You know what I mean? And you see the results in, you know uh big mommy cool exactly and i don't mean to be hard by the way which uh which by the way kevin nash co-signed he said he's good with the nickname big mommy cool yeah yeah i mean of course because i because like you said it seems like she's been doing the work sorry you're gonna put one last bow on that i mean i was gonna say you know i don't mean to be overly harsh but yeah it's i feel like if she's gonna be the world champion not even if she is the world champion she's at another level now she's elevated so she actually needs to meet the moment well tonight will be interesting because it's it now it's go time now you're the person with the title you're the person who gets handed the microphone in in a lot of spots so we will see you know listen i think that jade we all know she has all the tools she's she's in the best shape ever at least at least it's how it looks she is charismatic to the you know she all she has to do is walk in a room and you go who is this person and not just because she's big not just because she's jacked she's just got it yeah but to your point you got to do more than that now i thought they had a good match.

37:26I liked that it was like squash a Jace because I really did think you needed an emphatic win for Jade to now become this dominant character. So I hope that this title run really serves her well. I mean, to be honest, you would think this kind of goes one of two ways. Jade Cargill either has a hell of a title run and like you said, just takes all the steps forward and becomes an all-time great or this thing goes the other direction because with with great power comes great responsibility you know and you know i remember when i first got to hot 97 you know many years ago i always obviously wanted to make more money everybody always wants to make more money and i've never made that doesn't hurt and i've never made that much money at hot.

38:21I've also been at hot almost 20 years and it's opened a lot of other doors for me and other places where I could make a check. Right. You know I heard stories of other people before me who got hot had a good couple years demanded the big bag got the bag for a second and And then the second things weren't going well, who do you look at? You look at the person who's demanding the big bag. Yeah. The title in this case is the big bag because they all make, you know, everyone at the top of the cards making a pretty big bag. But that title, they're saying, hey, we're going to see if you are really someone who can lead us.

39:11Someone who can do all the media. Someone who can be in the main segment. At 9 o 'clock on Friday night during SmackDown. Someone who's going to be in the big match at the PLEs. Someone who's going to show up at the corporate stuff. Are you delivering? Are you going to rise to that moment? That's what comes with getting the title. By the way, we saw the same thing with Jay. Yeah. Right? Are you going to be that person? whereas you know there are a lot of people who have gotten to have a hell of a run in WWE make a nice chickity check maybe not the biggest check there is but a nice one and guess what they show up they do their thing they're a great teammate they have their match they sign their autographs they go to the bar they go home to their family they call it a day and you can do that if you're pretty good for a long time yeah but the second the the bag gets really big or they put the big spotlight on you now you have a different level of expectation yeah and so now listen in the case of tiffy i think tiffy did everything they wanted from her it just became time it was just like tiffy time was up essentially you know like i think all of Plus, I don't know about you, SGG.

40:41I think you feel the same way as me. I went with Tiffy from I'm not necessarily all that interested to just more and more impressed as time went on. And even as I didn't care anymore about her being champion, I still loved what she was doing in the ring. I'm like, man, she's like getting better. I don't care because the character just at this point needs – there needs to be a different impetus for her, a different challenger, whatever. ever but the person who's doing the work i'm watching her get busted open mess up a tooth hit the prettiest moonsault ever and it's in fact in fact is the prettiest moonsault ever she's doing fantastic things with everybody she's stealing the night with stephanie vaquer i'm i'm super impressed by tiffy it's just it was time to move on and let her figure out whatever the next thing is do you see it the same way i see it the exact same way super impressed but But she could have done all that away from the championship because for whatever reason, that didn't translate to a great championship run.

41:44She was doing everything really well to great, but for whatever reason, it didn't translate to a great championship run. And when you have that going on, you sort of want the championship to be able to benefit from somebody who can make it look good. It can't just be a thing on TV. It can't just start to feel like a prop. It's a championship. And that's why people should – It's the prize. I imagine the conversation with her and I hope the way that this was received by her was like, hey, do your thing. Have a good time. Like, don't feel bad that we're taking the title off of you because you did your thing.

42:19It's just, yo, you're going to be champion forever. You had an incredible, she's a kid and had a huge run with the title and probably a little too long. but in the end whether jade got it at summer slam or she got a saturday night's main event that was probably the direction to go and now the question is can jade fly honestly if i'm tiffy and i don't know tiffy very well so i i i wouldn't probably be comfortable enough to ask her this but like if we ever talk to her i will i wonder if at this point there's a certain level of like all right take the title let me relax for a minute you know work on work on developing now without the spotlight of the title because it really does shine pretty bright it's a different it's a different thing you know it would be interesting to ask like a bianca how it feels now of course bianca's been on the shelf but like bianca's been champion for so long at times bria too and how nice it might be to be like you don't want to take it off me for a while i'm like freaking good um i'm curious that's an interesting conversation like which title reigns or ones where the people were ready to end it like i just had enough you know cody is someone who you know there's never going to be a time when cody's like i'm good no he's been once in this opportunity his whole life is he's gonna rock it till the wheels fall off and he and he he he likes having the responsibility he likes being the guy who has to fly back and forth to do the today show the day after WrestleMania and first take and then he like he lives for that he wants that's why he wants to be the captain the quarterback that's who Cody is by nature he really digs that um but I don't think that makes someone less of a performer or whatever if they don't always want that you know what I'm saying no and that's the thing I try to tell people too you know we as fans we get caught up in what we see.

44:19And they'd say all the time, there's a whole machine behind all of this. So we see the in-ring, we see the TV shows, and we fall in love with these characters and we say, why isn't my guy the champion? Why isn't my guy or girl the star of the show? And there's so many moving parts, right? Because we don't know what their rapport is backstage with whoever. We don't know who's at fault for that relationship or that dynamic. And then we don't know if they want that. Right? So we always have this conversation like, oh, who's the greatest to never be world champ or the greatest to never do this or never do that?

45:00I don't know that Roddy Piper ever even wanted to be world champ. Maybe he liked the freedom of floating from territory to territory, being the top heel, being the draw, and then going about his business. Maybe Scott Hall did not want to be world champ. He just saw them checks where he was at and didn't want that responsibility. Maybe that's what these guys' goals are. It doesn't make them any less then because everybody needs to fill a role. But if everybody doesn't want to be champion, it doesn't mean that they don't need to be there because we get the finished product that comes out on TV. And if they're giving their best to that, okay.

45:37Exactly. Well, beautifully said, SUG. In fact, I'll let that take us right to the break because perfectly said. Now, when we get back, who do you want to see in this tournament? Who would you like to see in it? Who could win it? We are down to the final stretch. We got to talk to the John Cena tournament for a little bit as well as several other things as well. 877-344 - 4893. 877-344-4893. three. Get on the lines with us right now. Where do you want to see this tournament go? And what are your thoughts on the John Cena run in general? It is GP live on pro wrestling nation 24 seven. The Ico pro professional bodybuilding program will help you develop the look you want.

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46:57Then I guess it'll continue on the Monday at RAW at MSG? Yeah. I think that's the exact schedule. And then does it end at the Raw? Are they hoping it ends at MSG? I don't know when it's going to end. Well, it's 16, right? So it's one round that cuts it to eight, two rounds that cut it to four, a third round that cuts it to two, and then the final. So it could be. No. So you still would need another one. You can't have two rounds at MSG. I can't imagine all of the semis and the final. Yeah, I don't think so. They'll be tight. Listen, some of the greatest nights of wrestling have been tournament nights.

47:47That's true. It's just a fact. But yeah, I don't think that if they have a great match, though, that that is going to mean that it's been recovered. because when people talk about the story, it won't just be, and then there was this great match, and then there was that great match. We'd have to fill in the blanks, and we'd have to say that some of this story was clunky. We'd have to talk about the weird turn back to babyface, and we'd have to talk about the fact that the heel, his matches as a heel weren't that good. and then for me personally even though the matches as as a baby face have been bangers the stories i think it's been lazy i really think it has like the aj match didn't even have a story it was just a tweet and an announcement we should we should have a match now of course the match turned out to be a banger yeah absolutely but but you're criticizing the story and and how how can you not if there's not a lot of story there no let's uh people are gonna say john cena's career is the story but i mean this is wrestling the question to have and we can do this also over the next 30 minutes as we close out here is who do we expect to be in the tournament besides the obvious we know we're gonna get gunther we know we're gonna get dominic right uh we know we're Sheamus.

49:19You think we're getting Joe Hendry? Yeah. Unfortunately, I think we are. You really hate Joe Hendry, huh? Say his name and he appears. Yeah. I mean, that would be a mage guest if he just showed up right now. That would be so great for his gimmick. We literally just talked about him on the show. I hate Joe Hendry. And then he appeared. You'd almost have to like him at that point. Would you be a fan at that point? I would have to. That level of commitment to the gimmick, I would have to. So Joe Hendry, you're saying, is the TNA person? Yeah, I think for sure. NXT, Trick? Oba? Trick, yeah. No. Oba?

50:03I feel like Oba should not be in the tournament. No, no, we want to save that. Unless he's going to win. Correct. They protected him for so long. They protected him so much. Don't throw him into the tournament to lose.

50:21Carmelo is going to be in it. Yeah. Yeah. We see Carmelo in it. Miz could be in it, too. They could have a match in the tournament. They should. The question is, of course, who will the wild cards be? And by the way, I almost don't even want a bracket. I almost just want to hear music hit. I don't want it to be revealed as a bracket. If you have surprises, I don't have it pop up on the screen. I don't want to see the surprises listed five days early. I want to hear the music hit. I think this tournament should be done. The first round, the reveal should be as the matches happen. Yeah. And they can just have the announcer say, this is a John Cena tournament matchup.

51:12And the second you say it, the crowd will start cheering. The following contest is a match in the John Cena tournament. The winner will blah, blah, blah. And then you just wait and music. And it'll make all of it exciting even if it's not – even if it's the names we expect. I think that will hit. No, I think that's the way they should have done it. It's too late now. They announced, I think, the first two matches. So we know four of the names. Wait, we do? They announced it on Raw? Yes. And who do we get? It's Sheamus. It's Damian Priest against Rusev is one of the matches. And Rusev was a gimme too.

51:49Sheamus against Shinsuke Nakamura might be one of the matches also. Come on, SGG. You're the stat guy. Tell me who the damn matches are. Here we go. That's what it is. Sheamus and Shinsuke, Rusev and Priest. Yeah, there it is. And those are happening Monday.

52:08Sorry. Sorry. I should have probably caught that. So that's four names out, SGJ. We got 12 left. And you know what the crazy part is? I didn't think about Priest or Shinsuke being in it. I didn't either. So that's two names down. That's already two more spots gone for who could be a surprise. Yeah. That goes back to what you were saying about just leaving it open, though. That could have been great to hear the music just hit. Yeah, and Shinsuke would have been surprising. Priest would have surprised me. I just don't think having those names listed does anything for anyone. Like are people tuning in specifically for that?

52:46You're just as likely to tune in knowing there's simply a match in the tournament. It doesn't matter to me that I know. In fact, I'm less interested because I know that it's four regular roster guys who I enjoy and I'll be watching. but i would be even more compelled to know that there's going to be a couple of matches that night and we don't know who they're going to be i don't hate the idea of ethan page especially with it being in washington dc ethan page is on like a super canadian patriotic run have him go down to the nation's capital talk about how the 51st state is the greatest and then beat john cena and he will never shut up about it.

53:34That's what we talk about, right? The person who wins this, being able to take that and say, I beat John Cena and use that to launch their career and take themselves into the stratosphere. Ethan Page is somebody who would do it and do it well.

53:51I don't hate that. And when I think of the names down there right now, he's an interesting one. I mean, honestly, even win or lose, I think Ethan Page is an interesting one to maybe get. Yeah. Wouldn't you agree? I do. Let's, we didn't, we didn't spend much time on, on this as well. So they did announce another title on AEW this week. And I enjoyed a couple of segments on AEW. I watched like half the show. Thought the opener between Claudio and Orange Cassidy was a lot of fun as they get ready for blood and guts in a couple of weeks. And they got some fun stuff coming up on collision on Saturday leading to that.

54:31The blood and guts matches should be fire. But they announced another title, SGG, the National Championship. Yeah. Just why? The National. What's that count on singles titles at this point? Men's singles titles. Do you think Google can figure it out? I have no faith in this version of Google. I know, right? I just asked the question. aw has four men's singles titles um it looks like that's before the national though they have the world championship the tnt the continental the international and now the national okay five it feels like so much more because but you know you didn't say the ftw which is not really a championship but if people carry it they've had it they've had it that's six if you if you when that one's around but but but sg there's tag titles and there's trios titles and then there's all the women's titles so what it ends up leading to is basically every segment on tv is titles yeah especially when mercedes monet is carrying around 11 other titles including the owen title which is not i really defend it i don't listen i i don't like obsessing over this it just feels like one of those things that people love to do to just like intentionally beat up on AEW.

55:58It's not the end of the world, but sometimes it's like, but why? It does feel like a lot of championships. Speaking of AEW, by the way, the great Thunder Rosa coming up on Off the Ropes with Coach. So Coach and Thunder Rosa at 2 p.m. on this Friday evening. So to the Logan Paul of it all, SGG. What did you think of Logan's performance on Friday night and are we on Monday night and are we getting Logan Paul to the vision? I don't think we're getting Logan Paul to the vision. I don't think it makes sense. I mean on paper it does make sense because the vision is all about the future of the company and these guys that Paul Heyman can see main events in WrestleMania and being the faces of the next generation of WWE.

56:50right? Like when you think of that attitude era, they have certain faces that pop into the mind, new generation, all of that. The vision is all about filling in those faces that are going to be the names for the next era of WWE. So in that respect, he does make sense there, but in the sense of his character being an egomaniac, insufferable, selfish, egotistical, he doesn't make sense in any faction right um and it makes even less sense when you think about the fact that he is laser focused well i won't say laser focused but he popped up on monday trying to achieve the same goal that has been braun breaker's goal since the title was declared vacant right get that championship so you can't have two people in a faction that want the same championship now it could be that Heyman calls Braun off and says, hey, look, if Logan Paul gets this title, you're a killer.

57:55You can kill him. And he's an easier target. So that makes sense for them to allow Logan Paul to have a path to the championship. But him being a part of their group and then winning the championship and then immediately being looked at as the leader makes no sense. Yeah, I don't. I'm going to be interested to see how this plays out because the The thing that makes it fun is I don't think you can ever trust Logan Paul's intentions. So having him involved, just like he showed on Monday night. So having him involved here is so great because you'd believe that he'd line up with heels potentially, even though SUG just gave the case of why it doesn't make sense.

58:35But people would believe he would line up with heels. That's a natural thing to believe. But you'd also believe it if he totally turned on those heels and went for himself. Which is more Logan Paul. Let's be right. Let's be real. Like him being no. I know the nickname is all ego. Ethan Page. It's all ego. Logan Paul. I mean, that that is what the character is also. So I think that does provide a potentially fun thing here for Punk moving forward. Now. We'd also be remiss SGG. I did not expect us to get Dominic Mysterio and Rey Mysterio back together this past Monday night. I didn't either that was not on my card loved it though and but why why now you think why why you think we're going here now I mean look probably contingency plan right um if they can't figure out a way to get Dominic to John Cena in time for San Diego the Mysterios that's always like a ready-made thing they can go back to anytime they need a big match for either one of them.

59:43Particularly in San Diego. Right. We've been talking about, oh, it's Dom's hometown, Dom's hometown, Dom, Dom, Dom. No, he's not the king of the 619, though. Exactly. Exactly. So they can do that there if they want to. So you imagine maybe the SGDs. You've been on a roll today. I'll be honest. You brought the ruckus. No, you brought it. I brought the ruckus to the podcast. You brought the ruckus today because that's another great point, which is maybe that means Dominic is not winning this tournament. Now maybe it means Dominic and Ray have a match in the tournament. Maybe it means Dominic's in the tournament.

1:00:23Ray comes out and costs him in the tournament. But I do think there's a chance that with the rumors abundant that we would see Dominic and John in San Diego. Maybe this is the sign that is not happening. And this was the beginning of the setup to get us Dominic and Ray in San Diego. Remember, it's a stadium. We're at a baseball stadium. This is a big, big show. And the truth is, at some point here, we know Ray was injured at WrestleMania and wasn't able to go right before WrestleMania, I should say. He's out for a while. Ray is 50 on the dot. He'll be 51 in a month. Now, I'm not trying to put some sort of time limit on Rey Mysterio's career, but you never know how much runway you got.

1:01:25And even though we had Rey and Dom have that big mania moment, it doesn't mean the story's over yet. No. And Rey got that win. it'll be interesting to see if dom gets his back on his dad at some point as the one who's going to continue on right yeah i mean dom could unmask ray right that there's always the threat of that like and and and now that he's you know king of the luchadors that's right ray the legitimate maybe the greatest luchador of all time in the conversation. I mean, on the Mount Rushmore, him and Mio Mascaras are sitting next to each other on Mount Rushmore. I'd say so. I'd say so.

1:02:16How does Rey not want to get a shot at taking both titles off of Dominant Mysterio at Survivor Series? Yeah. Certainly the AAA mega champions. Certainly the AAA, exactly. That's certainly there for you. so it came up out of nowhere but I enjoyed it now there's one other last thing I feel like we should we should mention there were other things we didn't get to by the way happy belated birthday to young Roxanne Perez who had her birthday this weekend this week I should say but also I'd be remiss we talked all about what could happen with Jey Uso's character and in the end this week nothing happened right?

1:02:58right? Yeah. I mean, that was the benefit to them. I think keeping it vacant, right? They went with the safest option. It wasn't necessarily the worst option, giving it a straightforward to CM Punk. He's champion now. He's going to carry it forward. But like you said, Jay didn't really develop much out of that. And I don't know if this means that they're going to have an alliance now going into war games. And that's why they kept him firmly on babyface side because they don't want too many question marks going into what could be the men's war games match. But damn it if they didn't miss an opportunity to do something interesting with Jay.

1:03:42Because he went in, he fought hard, he lost. And then those heelish tendencies seem to be gone by Monday because now he's Honorable Jay again. And I I wish he would have kept some of that, some of that, some of that edge, some of that, some of that fire, because, you know, those are the things he's going to need to get him to the point where the fans are still rocking with him when the bell rings. Cause that was the talk coming out of Saturday night's main event too, right? Like when the bell rings, what do we do with Jay? And it feels like people are ready to abandon him when that bell rings and he needs something to keep people going with them.

1:04:20it's going to be interesting to see if they just completely give up on it just maybe they go back to Jay and Jimmy and put them in a tag team but like we had this thing developing with Jimmy are we going to just throw it away the whole eliminating of Jimmy in the battle royal is going to mean nothing yeah and you'd have to think that like the result to the match. Not only did Jay lose to Punk, but obviously it wasn't the best match ever. Yet Jay is still over. The time to do it is while it's still going. We've been saying that it seems the time would be now. Yeah. He'd be a great first challenger for Punk.

1:05:07Well, that's the thing too. If he had just turned, they could have run it back and had a chance. Now maybe they thought we're never running this back. It's possible. it's possible they were like nah we've seen enough there's not going to be a rematch between these two but to me it feels like a missed opportunity so far and we've seen them do this so many times with other people these characters who you're waiting to change waiting to change and then they tease it they tease it they tease it never happens we'll know more it's late like with cena yeah or it happens way too late we will know more about all of these things when we talk to you a week from now.

1:05:45If you want to get more from us this weekend, head over to Patreon.com slash Cheap Heat Live. Enjoy Smackdown tonight. Raw, the Raw from Boston with Cena on Monday. And we will talk to you next Friday. Stay mage, SGG. Enjoy yourselves.