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0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out to that guy.

0:09The Majestick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The Majestick. 24 seconds. Championship. 100%. Not Majestick. Stay Majestick and enjoy yourself.

0:27it's cheap heat with peter rosenberg featuring stat guy greg and dip you bet your ace that's exactly what it is well usually it would be featuring stat guy greg and dip except today stat guy greg is starting the day in court i'm told he's busy living up to the gimmick and being a lawyer. And Dipperstein has big travel plans for the weekend. Although I'm told, I don't know if this is true, I'm told we have a special guest joining us on the phone line. Do we have our guests on the phone?

1:09See, maybe not yet. Okay, that's disappointing, very disappointing. I'm told we may have a special guest on the phone line in moments, But we do have a lot to get to as we sit here a week out from Royal Rumble, a day removed from Saturday night's main event. Yeah, if you forgot, Saturday night's main event, Montreal, tomorrow. We have a SmackDown getting into that tonight. Then there'll be a big Raw on Monday in Toronto as we head into Rumble season over the next week. I cannot believe we're here already. Like just objectively speaking to stop right now and go, we are already in the rumble, like in the thick of WrestleMania season's origin.

1:52That is the rumble is just crazy to me that we are here already. But this is the time we're in. We did a Patreon this week. If you happen to be a patron, make sure you check that out. If you're not head over to Patreon dot com slash Cheap Heat Live. We did an hour and had a lot of spirited discussions about many things. And now I'm told our special guest is on the phone line. Very excited. I cannot believe I pulled this off. Ladies and gentlemen, from the Cheap Heat podcast, it is Dipperstein. Hey, Dip. Hey, how we doing today? Wow. Can you believe I scored a guest like this? It's big. Big for Hollywood.

2:29Big for the wrestling community. Big. Big, big, big. Big for everyone. Now, Dip, you were off to Vegas? I am. i'm off of vegas i uh i don't know what i love all i specifically my favorite thing are combat sports that are have predetermined outcomes but my second favorite thing are combat sports that do not have predetermined outcomes and as a result i'm going to las vegas for ufc oh ufc i'm glad is this week the biggest card of all time it's the biggest card of all time And we have our first Zufa boxing card, which I'll be at as well, which I'm very excited about. I'm hoping to become one of the biggest Zufa guys in the biz today.

3:16So you are going to the first ever Zufa boxing situation. I'm going to be Zufaing up a storm. Zufa boxing one, Walsh versus Ocampo. It is going down Friday night. That's tonight to you and me, Dip, unless you're listening to our replay, in which case it's last night or two nights ago. But, yeah, Zufa Boxing kicks off, and Kalem Walsh, who's 15-0, is taking on Carlos Ocampo's 38-3, and it's at the apex. So this is interesting. I can't wait. So you're one of the only thousand attendees going to the first-ever Zufa Boxing. Yeah, I guess so. And you know what I'm reading here? It's now been leaked that formerly of First Take fame, Molly Karam is going to be the host of the Zufa Boxing.

4:14Do you know that?

4:18I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Here's who we have. I have the whole broadcast team because you know I care about these things. Play-by-play is a guy you may be familiar with. His name is Joe Tessitore. I've never heard of him in my life. I'm kidding. I'm a gigantic fan in every way, shape, and form. He will be sitting with Max Kellerman and Andre Ward. That is the broadcast team. Heidi Andral is the reporter. Molly Karam is the host. She'll have Antonio Tarver. My boy Mike Coppinger is there. Mark Kriegel is going to be there as an analyst and contributor. as well. So, yeah, say hi to Joe Tess, who's going to be stuck with a different loudmouth New York Jew this week, Max Kellerman instead of me.

5:08Yeah, I hope I see him. I hope I get to see him, because I love him. I really do. So we had a really spirited Patreon this week on a variety of front step, and you and I were just sort of trying to talk about what we thought was the most interesting conversation. We learned a lot of things. Number one, SGG has no love at all for Matt Cardona. I don't know where. I did not expect the Matt Cardona slander from SGG, but you learn something new every week. We had a fun conversation there. One thing we did not get into a lot, though, Dip, and that's been a big topic of conversation on Busted Open and on Not Sam Wrestling this week.

5:44So since I only have you for a limited time, is the stakes of this AJ Styles-Gunther match. That AJ Styles is putting his career on the line at the Royal Rumble. Like, what are your T's, dude? I love how I heard, I don't know who was talking about it. I don't know if it was a caller from Busted Open earlier or whatever it was. But I hear a few people in the internet wrestling community talking about that it's going to end in a schmoz and AJ's going to end up winning. This match, he's going to crush AJ Styles, okay, in my opinion. Good night and good luck is what you're saying. This could be the end of AJ Styles.

6:27good night good luck this is it this could be it no that would be i gotta tell you can you imagine if we went from we john cena retired we got all the pomp and circumstance and then afterwards aj just gets thrown into it also and he's now finished back to back like is that really i smell it dipstradamus is predicting this a mile away this will be AJ Styles last match that will be it for AJ Styles after he is defeated by Gunther good night good luck I'll see you why do you why do you feel why do you feel so strongly about this um because I think they're gonna continue on the train of Gunther is the guy that retires the legends and i think that aj styles is the next legend to to fall victim to gunther i don't agree with it i don't know if i like it i haven't decided i happen to be a big aj styles fan so i don't know you're telling me you're telling me the end of aj styles is that he's essentially just a character aj styles retirement is that he is basically just a character in the Gunther story.

7:55He's the next notch on the belt of Gunther. That's all AJ Styles is? Can that be? Yes. Yes. That is what it can be. From my purview, a man has been watching wrestling for 38 years. That is Zipsher Domus sees the future. And the future is AJ Styles will be retiring at Saturday night's main event this Saturday in Canada.

8:26877-344-4893. 877-344-4893. Now is your time to get in on the phone lines. Your thoughts on this specifically. I know everyone's had a lot of strong feelings. Of course, it won't be at Saturday Night's Main Event. It'll be at the Royal Rumble, Dip. You're getting ahead of us. Oh, whatever. I misspoke. Yes. now saturnite's main event dip though since you mentioned it because some people have this crept up so quickly we have three matches on the card officially we have cody rhodes versus jacob fatu in a match a singles match both guys trying to get a shot at drew mcintyre's championship you have rio as it's known ria ria rippley and eosky dips favorite tag team versus the judgment day, Liv Morgan and Roxanne Perez, who I'm a huge fan of.

9:22And then you have Randy Orton versus Trick Williams versus Damian Priest versus Sami Zayn to determine the number one contender for the WWE championship at the Royal Rumble. So while Cody Rhodes and Jacob Fatu want to get back in the mix, those four will have a match to determine who will actually get a shot at drew mcintyre at the rumble now uh dip one thing that we another topic that was speared i'm like confused by this which part i'm confused so what what uh

10:08no i'm just i'm just i'm just a little confused that's the there's so many things going on at once. There's so many big cards and big events happening all at once that it's sort of hard. I'm finding it hard to keep track of who's going up for what title and when and how many tournaments. It's like I'm finding it and starting to get confusing. I've got to be honest with you. Well, I totally... The title thing... Go ahead. The Jacob Fartou-Cody Rhodes match is not to determine the number one contender, is it? No. Well, that's the thing. No, not really. I didn't say that. I said they're both trying to get back in line to win the championship.

10:46It is not officially that. You know what I'm saying? It's just the two of them having a match. Because the undisputed... That's going to be a schmazel. That's going to end in schmazel central. I think. Yeah, it's hard to picture either of the... Cody's not losing again. That's not happening. Right? And it would be weird. It's a good story. If he loses again and is like, what's going on with Cody Rhodes? Listen, I would like to see this be this, Cody Rhodes loses clean to Jacob Fatu. And this, this is, that loss is the, it skyrockets Jacob Fatu into the title picture. But it does two things. That, and also makes Cody Rhodes question himself, who am I?

11:34What's going on? Why am I losing? And it's the start of his heel turn leading up to WrestleMania. That is what I would like to see. You know what? it's something yep it's something it's starting to build no better time than now it's starting to build something and think about how big it would be how impactful a win it would be for Jacob Fatu to beat Cody Rhodes clean

12:02that is what I would like to see happen so and by the way sorry go ahead you go so to your point though that is not officially a number one contenders match because we have Randy, Trick, Priest, and Sammy all battling to see who will get a shot at Drew. Now, who do you think wins that match? Randy Trick. I'd like it to be Sammy Zane. And then Sammy Zane, are we going to the idea that we talked about last week that Sammy Zane actually wins the title at the Royal Rumble and Drew McIntyre has the title for like three weeks? so it's that sammy gets the match the crowd goes crazy sammy gets the match he fights his ass off and he loses at the royal rumble is what you're saying i'd like to see sammy zane win but i think it'll be randy that's what i see happening i don't think so i don't think so i don't see randy winning this match because i i don't see randy just i don't see randy and drew just being a thing that happens quickly at the Royal Rumble a week later.

13:09I don't know. I don't know if I see that. I don't think now is the time for Randy and Drew. I see it. Yeah, because you see everything, except you generally get everything wrong. And you're going to get this wrong, too. You need a big spot for Sammy Zayn. He's incredibly popular in Saudi Arabia, right? Why not? If you're not going to have Sammy win the Rumble, which is a long shot, why not have him have this title match at the Rumble where the The whole crowd is behind him. And if he loses, it's just awesome heat for Drew McIntyre. I would love that to happen. That would be great. That's what's going to happen.

13:46That's what's going to happen. How much do you want to bet right now, Randy Orton? How much do you want to bet Randy Orton does not win this fatal four-way? I will bet you$50. Let's make this more manageable. let's let's the next time you come to town a bagel a scooped out bagel jalapeno cream cheese lox and tomato uh lightly toasted egg bagel that is that is what i want if i'm correct what do i get what do i get if you get your scallion cream cheese slathered all over a bagel what do i get in it what do i get scallion i said jalapeno cream cheese jalapeno I meant not scallion jalapeno I like scallion you're such a you're such a cream cheese guy I can't I can't keep track of all your cream cheese I love listen I love cream cheese I'm a man who loves cream cheese I love scallion I love light I love light scallion Kelly Murphy suggests that the the winner get omakase and we get to run the whole omakase how about a meal at the Jumping Bomb Angels restaurant that's it.

15:00That's what we're doing. We're going to go eat at the jumping bomb angels restaurant, but they have to be there. I'm not, I'm not going to this restaurant without them there. I need to be, I need to see the jumping bomb angels. I like this. I need to eat a piece of, of seared salmon belly with the jumping bomb angels. That's what I need. A moment in time. That would, that would be truly wonderful. Are you coming to town in a few weeks for our mutual friend's birthday? I am seriously considering that, yes. She told me that she's considering applying the pressure.

15:42No need to pressure. I owe it to her, and I believe I will be there. I have not seen her in a while, and I would like to see her. For the record, I want everyone to know. I want everyone to know. This is a very, not only is it a good friend of Dipps, but a very important client. And should she actually, like, even, I would say, if she were to heartily snap her fingers and say, I will see you at my birthday, I think you're going. Yeah, probably. A hard snap? If she's like, Dipperstein, I need, I think the flight's booked. I think you're going. I'm thinking hard snap gets it done. I think hard snap's all it needs.

16:20I'm DJing a set at this birthday party. she asked me my opinion. I said, I'm sure he would like to do it. She says, you know, maybe it's Juanito, maybe it's Rosenberg. I said, we love Juanito, but it's got to be Rosenberg. Not to make work for my other clients. Free work. Free work at the birthday party, nonetheless, but I'll do it. Yeah. Well, I told her to call Juanito also. I said, I'm not going to do the whole night, but I will totally come do a thing. Now, this is troubling. I just received a text message from Stack Guy Greg. Yeah. Stack Guy Greg has just texted, and I do not like what I've read on said text message.

17:11Oh, boy. I do not think I'm seeing Stack Guy Greg today. Stack Guy Greg has weighed in. he writes our two is looking unlikely to judge has us waiting while he interviews the kids oh my god he's in the middle of a serious case what are we going to do kelly i'm now being completely left by both of my co-hosts the you know um the physically vacationing is choosing today to be physically working and the one who physically is always working is today physically vacationing let's get a guest. Let's go to the nation. We have options. You're Peter Rosenberg. You know a lot of people. That's a great point.

17:55Who do I want to call? He's Peter Rosenberg. You know that, right? Yeah, exactly. Indeed. So much so, I was watching 30 for 30 last night, one of my favorite ones. Completely forgot you were featured. I was like, holy shit, it's Peter. Yeah, it's a tough look for me. Let me tell you something. I'm driving to the airport right now. Now, there's ads for this guy, Richard Torgal, okay, who is an accident lawyer. And the guy looks exactly like Peter Rosenberg. It's insane what's going on. It's crazy. It's crazy. I'm going to say another thing. I am now a drive-to-the-airport-and-park guy if it's a two-day trip.

18:37I drive, I park. Because I'm done taking these Fakakta shuttles to where the Ubers and lifts are. and I'm only taking black cars now, okay, because I've earned it because I've worked my whole life to be able to do black cars only, okay? And now the black cars are$200 to get to my house. Yeah, because the way they've done it at LAX and JFK essentially, if you want to call an Uber, they will only let you get it at the terminal if you get a black car. So now as a result, the black cars are even more expensive. So, yeah, it's absolutely absurd. So you might as well, to your point then, if you're going to have to take the Fakakta shuttle, at least after you take the Fakakta shuttle, you get off and get in your own car and drive home.

19:27I see what you're saying. 100%. It's the same money. It's less money to drive. So now I'm driving. What are they charging you to park at LAX? $60 a day. That's still a lot. Is that for short term or long term? That's short term. Yeah. Short term. Well, I wonder how much they charge for long term. I may spring for valet today. Wow. Look at you. You know what? God bless. 877-344-4893. I'm officially co-hostless today. Dipperstein is off to Las Vegas. He's going to be zoofing and zoofing and UFCing up a storm. and SGG has decided today is the Friday where he wants to be in court working. So you guys are going to co-host with me and we'll get started today.

20:18My first co-host today will be Nathan in Arkansas. Big Nate, what's going on, buddy? Hey, man. It's chilling out in Greenbrier, Arkansas. I don't know if you've ever been there today, but it's a beautiful day. Wow. Are you guys going to get caught up in any of this winter nonsense? Yes. I'm actually working on the road in Greenbrier-Conway area, which is north of Little Rock. Little Rock's where I'm from. But we're looking at getting ice this weekend and possibly snow on Monday. So we'll see what happens. Watch out, buddy. All right, be safe. All right, what do you got for us today? So I wanted to just talk about AJ, but then also you started talking about Sammy.

20:58And I had something interesting about a comment I left on his ex, on Sammy's name as X on January the 4th that got deleted that I can't find for anything. But with AJ, I really think Gunther has to beat Cena and AJ together. And the reason why is because in 25 years of professional wrestling since 2001, two guys carried the business. John Cena, AJ. 2016, AJ came into WWE, broke the forbidden door. But AJ was like the only person last year on the retirement tour that got that special introduction from John Cena. You know, nobody else could say that they carried wrestling, you know, through the time that we had had.

21:46And, you know, Gunther, it's not just a legend thing, but with retiring Cena and AJ, you know, at Royal Rumble, you know, 10 years after the fact that he debuted in WWE. Yeah. It's like an end to an era, you know, 25 years. And so, but can I also add a little bit to Sammy real quickly and just get your thoughts on it? Sure, go ahead. I think Sammy's going to win the Royal Rumble. Orton's going to win the Fatal 4-Way tomorrow. And I think Sammy and Punk is going to be one of the matches at WrestleMania. And Sammy's going to beat Punk. um well listen thank you for the call buddy good luck with the snow there in Georgia Nathan uh I I said the same thing the other day that I I don't think it's gonna happen but dip we did talk last Friday about the possibility of a Sammy Rumble win which would be pretty cool now maybe you'll be right Randy gets the match against Drew McIntyre Sammy wins the Rumble in Saudi and then we get Sammy actually at WrestleMania.

22:56But are you like a believer? I know that you did not believe. You immediately shot down, and it was on our social media, Cheap Heat Pod on Instagram. You shot down, Dip, the idea of Sammy and Drew having a title match at WrestleMania. Could you possibly see Sammy and Punk having a title match at WrestleMania?

23:21I just don't know if any of these people are going to take any of the top slots at Mania. Do you see Drew McIntyre headlining WrestleMania? Either night? In your heart of hearts? I'm looking not just at your heart, but at the heart of hearts. Do you see Drew McIntyre? That's the ultimate heart. Let's be honest. That's the number one heart there is. It's the best heart there ever was and ever will be. I suppose the reason it's hard to picture Drew, for example, with Sammy is because in that match, you're going to boxing today. As they would call it in boxing, Drew would be the A-side of that match.

24:12I don't see Drew as the A-side at WrestleMania yet. I hear you now. There you go. Well, there you go. Roman. If Roman were to win the rumble and call out Drew McIntyre, I guess I could see Roman and Drew being one night of WrestleMania. How about that?

24:35Where does that leave Cody Rhodes? Where does Cody Rhodes go from here? What if it's Cody Rhodes not be in the main event at WrestleMania right now? Come on. What if Cody Wodes... Listen, I know Cody Wodes is on Friday, in theory, and Punk is on Monday, and we're still playing this Fakakta game. But I don't know. What if Roman ended up with Drew and Cody Wodes ended up with CM Punk? Good. I like it. I don't see that happening. I like it. I just don't know. I don't see it either happening. But Cody Punk is an obvious thing they haven't done. I'm ready for that. have they done it no no no Cody and Punk right Cody and Punk have Cody and Punk have kind of been kept away from each other in terms of like direct stuff and like yeah I mean because that's a money match big now the funny thing is though man is that when we get Cody and Punk it's likely going to be if you believe sort of any of the speculation and also you just read the tea leaves it'll probably be heel Cody versus baby face punk.

25:45I think there's only baby face punk. I do not believe, which is so funny because I think punk has such a heelish personality, but dip. I only think, I think the only punk left till he retires from WWE is baby face punk. What are your thoughts? I completely agree with you. And I think my, I see the big, the big story going into WrestleMania. Okay. is that Cody Rhodes is a heel. Cody Rhodes turns heel on the road to WrestleMania, and that is the big story of WrestleMania. That's what I would like to see happen. I don't care who he wrestles, but Cody as a heel is like the big year event. That's interesting, though, because people have speculated that it's Cody and Roman for a third time, and that would mean heel Cody versus babyface Roman.

26:42Good. That makes it different. If it's tweener Cody versus Roman or baby versus baby Roman, it doesn't matter. I don't want to say it doesn't matter. It's a big match. Everyone likes to see that visual. But it's something we've seen before. I hate these big rematches. I don't like them. I need something different. another thing we discussed on the patreon uh and if you're not a member go listen it was a hell of an episode was sug made clear that he feels the only way we should ever see cody and roman again is if a title's on the line because their their rivalry is one that is so big it should always have like gigantic stakes attached to it which i thought was interesting because i could argue the opposite both are both are so meaningful they don't need a title anytime they have a match its main event doesn't matter what's involved but as you saw it the opposite let's let's go to rob in iowa and see what he's talking about what up rob how you been man hey what's going on guys um i was calling about the uh aj gunther match uh you guys are talking about i have no idea what they're going to do in that match but the only thing i'm like 100 certain of is that aj styles will not be wrestling his last match at royal rumble um i i think i pitched to sam the rocky idea yesterday where basically Gunther has to drag him out of retirement because he didn't get him to tap out.

28:06You could do something like that. I don't know. I think they booked themselves into a corner, which is actually sometimes a good thing because when it doesn't seem like there's any possible outcomes, then that actually makes it exciting to see what they can pull off. But I kind of agree with you, Pete. There's just no way that AJ Styles said 2026 is his last year in wrestling and he meant January of 2026 is his last month. That's exactly, you know what Rob, I had that exact thought earlier, I went, wait a second, so this guy kept telling us, you know what he made a whole announcement, said it to Michael Cole, next year is my last year of wrestling and by that I mean the first month of next year is my last, come on that would be so crazy and I, now listen I suppose there's a world Rob in which you know sometimes WWE has a way of reminding you that they may have loved someone, but if they were really from somewhere else, they don't get the same love on the way out as the guys who are forever WWE.

29:07So, like, maybe as much as they love and respect AJ, maybe he does go out with a bit of a whimper because the fact of the matter is no matter how much of a legend he has become in WWE, if you're a true wrestling fan, you think of TNA first when you think of AJ Styles you do well yeah and that's kind of what that was the other part too was that on Thursday he clearly teased something with a match in TNA and then on Monday they're going to announce his retirement match that doesn't seem to make sense either um I don't think he did that on TNA on his own um especially if he knew a retirement match was coming up so that would be the other big tell is that they've got something planned with TNA Yeah, so it really doesn't make sense in that regard.

29:52Rob, great call. Thank you, buddy. We appreciate you always. 877-344-4893. I'm looking for co-hosts for the full two hours because I've been abandoned. SGG is out. Depristine, you have to go to the airport now and get on your flight. Yep. I'm going to sign off now, guys. You're going to zoof it up a storm. We'll talk later, shall we? Listen to the show. Sign in on your phone. Listen on Sirius.

30:22all right good thanks dip all right there he goes that's dipper city everyone 877-344-4893 phone line still jammed and we're going to talk to you guys throughout the show AJ Gunther thoughts who's winning the Royal Rumble and anything else that comes to mind you want to bring it to the show bring it you know what if you're lucky maybe I'll bring in Miss Hatton my wife I'm sure she would love to weigh in um she did watch some Unreal this week so she'll have a little bit to say about that she can tell you how much she hates Gunther um oh the door just swung open I thought my wife pulled a Joe Hendry say her name and she appears but it was bear pushing the door open so she has not appeared quite yet um we'll get to some unreal as well um before I get back to the phone lines and talk to you the people um Kelly you live on on Long Island?

31:11Yes, sir. And what are you hearing about the storm? What's the latest we're getting on the blizzocalypse of 2026? I feel fairly confident now that we're going to get at least six to eight because I've been seeing eight to 10, 10 to 12. I've seen 14 to 18. So I would say at least six to eight, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was upwards of a foot, which sucks. And that's what people seem to be saying. Yeah. I mean, Seems to be the general consensus. Where does Susumo live? Yeah, Susumo, are you in Westchester? Where are you? I still am. I'm still am. I'm here. What are they saying about Westchester?

31:51Similar? I'd say similar. So you're saying you're expecting six to eight, ten, something like that? Yeah, I'd say probably I saw four to eight, but it could be higher. Now, here's the thing. I'm supposed to fly Monday evening. to Toronto to get on the charter to go to Riyadh. I guess the thing that I'm questioning is, if for New York this turns out to just be a snowstorm, and like we get, and real quick, do either of you know when they're saying the snow is actually going to be done? Like when do they think this is going to be? All day Sunday? All day Sunday and into very early Monday. I believe it's going to turn into like the wintry mix, and then by Monday morning it should be done.

32:40Gone. So the question is, I guess, if it ends up being, let's call it 10 inches, like are they clearing the airport and I'm able to fly out Monday evening? Snow generally gets cleared. Right, but you would think everything Sunday is going to be a no-go and then all of those flights are going to be pushed slash rescheduled, which is the only reason I'm a little weary of with all of those having to get pushed and rescheduled. If the Monday eveningers like yourself may run into a problem, which hopefully you don't. End up getting screwed. How long is the drive here? Is Canada getting weather? What's going on in Canada?

33:20Well, I don't. Let me tell you what Canada is getting. And I think we have a call. We're going to talk to Bill in a second in Toronto. What Canada is getting is some of the most insane temperatures of all time. and it's something to think about because of course WWE is there all weekend if you go look right now I'm going to type in Montreal where Saturday night's main event is and Smackdown is there too I think tonight right they're both in Montreal Montreal is currently sunny 13 degrees feels like 6 Saturday for Saturday night's main event the high is minus 3 the low is minus 12 So while the wintry mix is all like south through mid-Atlantic up to the northeast U.S., what Canada is getting is just insane weather.

34:11Now, it does say Sunday they're expecting snow in Montreal. I don't know if Toronto is getting any of it. Toronto, it says, no, it looks like some snow on Monday in Toronto. But I don't think any of them are getting a crazy amount of precipitation. um it looks like maybe late sunday night into monday they get some but it's the weather is just totally crazy like we we are living in so end of times for so many reasons but the weather is yeah it's just madness let's let's go to bill in toronto um bill what's going on are you going to raw on monday uh no i i can't really go just family situations i can't really go to stuff like that um i do see though for sunday they're saying here uh trying to convert from metric 25 centimeters on sunday which is about eight inches maybe a little more oh really um yeah with montreal it's only five which is like a couple so i think the first that is interesting It is, the worst it is.

35:21Dude, it's a disaster. I'm starting to mentally prepare that I may have to find a different way to Riyadh. It may be too complicated on Monday. I guess we'll see. Because now, if you're telling me it's going to snow in Toronto also, oh, it's a mess. All right, what do you have, though, Bill? What's going on? Talk to us about the wrestling. Okay. I'm going to channel my inner Pat Patterson here. I got a match idea, Tyson to Royal Rumble, to have a raw smackdown, each have a men's and women's match, which is a triple threat elimination. Now, the winner of the first fall gets their number put into 21 to 30 range.

36:01The winner of the second fall, their number goes to 1120. And the loser that fall, their number gets stuck at 1 to 10. What do you think? I don't mind it. I don't mind adding. I like the idea of some matches to add something to the number pulling for the Rumble. Thank you for the call, Bill. I think that's sort of a fun idea. The idea that you get to have a match and a team can find out that they end up in a different place in the Rumble. It is crazy when you think about it, guys. Has anyone officially declared for the Rumble? We have official declarations. How many do we have, Kelly? a handful of both i've got it in your rundown you do i do yes sir perfect you're such a professional it's all here you see in our two men's entrance women's entrance i do i do look at this okay here we go men's entrance announced so far cody penta oh yeah i forgot jay did say it he had the big moment where he declared it dragon lee and ray mysterio so cody penta jay so Dragon Lee and Rey Mysterio.

37:14Gunther said he's going to be in the Rumble, but of course, he's got a match against AJ Styles. But wait a second, what does that mean? Is Gunther going to do both? Huh. That would certainly be something. Wow, can you imagine, though, the heat? I will say, if Gunther were to beat AJ Styles, then win the Rumble, and then call out CM Punk, because he's not calling out Drew, and then he calls out CM Punk I mean I don't know man I go back and forth on Gunther you know sometimes I wonder whether the ceiling is as high as it's been projected to be for him but man he really is hated now women's entrance announced so far

38:05Rio announced it that they're both in I remember that Rhea and Io are in Roxanne and Liv are in. Lyra Valkyria is in. Bayley's in. Nia Jax is in. Asuka is in. Raquel is in. I will say this. Here's the... Kelly added a note that I think is really important. Where you said, you missed the element of surprise to the Rumble. Here's what's going to annoy me. We've made up... At this point, we only have like... What was that? Seven or eight women and four or five men. So you're not going to do a whole lot of storytelling between now and the Rumble. So why not let it all be surprised? Like if you're not going to do it weeks out where you can do something to build it, I like the idea of like we just can't be sure who's coming out.

39:04And, you know, we have so much talent these days that you could question whether or not someone's actually going to go into the Rumble. So I don't understand. And I know, guys, if you listen to Cheap Heat here on Pro Wrestling Nation or if you've been listening to the podcast for a long time, you know how much I value surprises. And I get it. Maybe I maybe I overdo it. Although I think wrestling fans love surprises. um speaking of surprises spoiler on the other side of this we're going to get to my my next co-hosts uh anthony lamont steve and tony we'll get to all of you guys after the break so hang tight but i just feel like if we're not going to tell a big story let me get to a week from saturday and and every time that clock hits one i am sitting there on the edge of my seat not because that feeling of when you see the Tron hit and you go, oh, yeah, of course, it's so-and-so because they said they were going to be in it.

40:06Oh, yeah, yeah, it's so-and-so. Of course, they announced they're going to be in it. I don't need anyone to announce it anymore. Like, I really don't. To the caller's point, to Bill's point earlier, unless you're going to have a match with some stakes, like, oh, the winner of this match is 30, you know, short of something like that, at this point, surprise me, baby. And I also will say, we live in a time now where the locker room is so stacked that we're almost at like no surprise territory. The interesting question is, will the Saudi Arabia of it all change that? Because everyone has always said it's expected in Saudi with the money they spend.

40:54I mean, they want Hulk Hogan back from the dead in the rumble. They want Andre in the Rumble. So could we somehow get a glass break? Could we get a Shawn Michaels? Could we get anything that, like, is a true old-school surprise? Can Booker T get on the flight to Ria? You know what I mean? Will we get any of those sort of classic returns at the Rumble? I love those. All right, your calls next, guys. 877-344-4893. An hour left where you are all co-hosting with me. The rest of the way, it's Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Wolverine for your NES.

41:35Battle Magneto and Sabretooth with your Admantium claws and Berserker range in the X-Men battle of all time. Wolverine from LJN. As I said, SGG and Dip both dipped on us today. So we are taking phone calls and making you guys in Pro Wrestling Nation the co-host for the day. So with that, let's go to Lamont in Atlanta. Let's go to the ACL, the 404. Lamont, what's going on? Hey, how you doing, man? I just wanted to speak about the AJ Styles and Gunther match. I could see it going one of two ways. Either AJ gets the upper hand on Gunther this time from the way Gunther won by tapping with the referee not being in position and releasing the hold.

42:20or I could see them doing some like old WWE 1990 stuff where AJ gets the win clean, but then Gunther just repeatedly attacks him to the point where they're ringing the bell and then they reverse the decision. So, I'm sorry, Gunther beats AJ clean, but they steadily attack him after the match and then they ring the bell, reverse the decision. So now AJ Styles is unretired and they can go from there. You mean like AJ now has to have another match because of how vicious the beatdown is after the match? Correct. Correct. You remember back in old school days, like they would ring the bell, and if the wrestler didn't stop, sometimes referee will reverse decision.

43:03So if Gunther beats him, but steadily attack him after the match, that way you get Gunther going over, you get AJ retirement for like a minute, but then because the decision is reversed, he's unretired and can finish out the year. well listen I would say that even if they didn't reverse the decision because we don't see that very often anymore even if they didn't reverse the decision even if AJ just simply got his ass beat so badly that it's like no he has to do something the problem is and thank you for the call that's a good call a month the problem is where do you go from there like if AJ gets his ass beat by Gunther and then it's like all right well now he's coming back for another match he's gonna lose again so so where are we going that that's what makes this very complicated that you have the stipulation of retirement match for AJ Styles and that's what makes you think that maybe some sort of chicanery will take place and someone will get involved because it just seems so crazy AJ was just a tag champion.

44:10He just had a classic match with John Cena. He still looks great. He's retiring, you know, at a time in which it makes sense, but not in which he's fallen off. So why would he rush it and end this thing right now? Now, let me ask you a question, Kelly. What was the thought and consensus among the hosts about what was going to happen with AJ? I know Dave had said he certainly would want a clean finish in a match like this, but like you said, the stipulation complicates things, and I think a lot of people are thinking that either somebody's going to get involved and or there's not a clean finish, because it feels too soon for AJ.

44:51Maybe he won't do the whole year, but next weekend seems a little bit soon for it to be his retirement. WrestleMania is three months away. I mean, I know he's not a WrestleMania legend, but wouldn't you want to still have another WrestleMania? Absolutely. And for Gunther, who just retired John Cena not too long ago, it would be too soon for him to lose clean to AJ too. So it leaves you in that middle ground of it's not going to be a clean finish or somebody's going to get involved or there's going to be some trickery going down. It does speak to some of the complaints that people have these days with the booking in general and things feeling a little bit haphazard.

45:30Like we just end up in places and you're kind of like, how did we get here? That was quick. You know, and if you watch Smackdown last week, for example, I guess Jordan Grayson, Jade Cargill is where we're going. Jordan Grayson just got here, but now it certainly looks like it's going to be Jordan Grayson and Jade Cargill. That's where we're off to. Like, these things just seem to happen incredibly quickly. And this A.J. Gunther one is just really complicated. I cannot. I'll tell you one thing. Gunther losing is not an option, just to be clear for everyone. Gunther, the story is he retires people.

46:14That is now what the thing is. He ended Goldberg. He ended Cena. and whether it's next Saturday or two months from now, he's retiring AJ Styles. That is where we are going. Gunther is the man who ends people's careers. So the idea that AJ would win and survive, what? And then they have another one and he put, no, it doesn't make sense. Gunther has to win or something has to happen. Those are the only options. But then it's like a weird thing. Like, I'm trying to remember. Are there any historians out there with a better memory than me who could remind me? Do you recall a time when someone put their career on the line?

47:04And in the career-threatening match, someone else got involved and it didn't happen. And as a result, we just forgot about the stipulation? I'm trying to remember. Like, is that a thing that you would have? Because when you have the career-threatening stipulation, I feel like it has to be paid off one way or the other. It would seem so weird to not have it paid off. We just then go a different direction? That's not possible. Anthony in Massachusetts wants to weigh in on AJ and Guther. My next co-host. How are you, buddy? How are you doing? I got two ideas on how this can go down. All right. One, AJ Styles, I still think AJ Styles is not going to retire at Roy Rumble.

47:47I think it's just not a big enough event for him to retire at. I think he retired that mania. I do think Gunther is going to be the one to retire him. But if you look at the way history goes down, CM Punk and Gunther have a lot of history together with Punk beating him. so I think you know down the line during the match we see Gunther getting out of hand and he tries to cheat and we see someone like CM Punk come down and stop him and AJ Styles steal the win or we see Gunther get disqualified and you know AJ Styles makes it apparent that you didn't beat me it's going to piss him off too. It's going to piss Boomer off.

48:41And then they extend it to Mania. To WrestleMania, yeah. I think we also feel like somebody like maybe Brock Lesnar getting involved. You know, I was supposed to retire Cena, not you. I said I was going to retire Cena. The history of Brock Lesnar, he doesn't take a lot of people doing things that he says he was going to do. so you're right a DQ thank you for the call man you're right a DQ could be a cheap way out of this to keep the thing going that is that is possible I still don't find that to be that fascinating a storyline to get us further down the road isn't it crazy too to think about like I just want to point this out and you guys knew I was like I was not happy with the the booking of not the booking the execution of the Gunther McAfee match I thought was silly I thought that you know as much as Pat's an athlete he's the color commentator and I thought he should have been crushed by Gunther when you look back now he struggled against Pat McAfee to some degree it was certainly wasn't a squash unreal made it look like more of a squash if you lived through it, you know it did not feel like a squash.

49:58Then he lost to CM Punk. And he's lost to Jey Uso. It's interesting that he, this guy, who now what we're trying to do is make him completely invincible. And he's retiring legends. That's what he does. He's the new legend killer. Everyone loses. yet he sort of struggled with an announcer he lost to a 50 year old often injured cm punk and then he lost to a really popular and awesome jay uso who's not exactly known as being like the most imposing terrifying wrestler there is lost to both of them but now we need to sort of forget that past or believe it was part of the motivation and if it's supposed to be part of the motivation I think that story should be told with Gunther Moore like I'd like to see Gunther at home sitting in the attic watching the film being like I can't believe I fucking lost to Jey Uso I watch this every night it never should have happened like build that into who he was don't expect me to forget that he lost to Jey Uso and And this isn't me talking as Peter Rosenberg.

51:18I'm talking as if I were a wrestler. I'm Gunther. To geriatric CM Punk? How you lose to CM Punk? He's 50. He's come off a lot of injuries. Listen, I know it's wrestling, but like, if Gunther's a killer, the man needs to be a killer. We cannot half-ass it. He needs to kill. Let's go to Chris in Atlanta. Back to the ATL. ATL. No, we lost Chris. Chris, we were excited to talk to you. 877-344-4893. Let's go to Jason in Cincinnati instead. Hey, Jason, what's going on, man? Hey, Peter, man. First of all, man, you are my dude, dude. I've been messing with you since early hot 97 days. Respect to you. I don't know if I can say that on the radio.

52:04No, I appreciate that. Thank you, bro. Yeah, man. No doubt. First of all, AJ's not going anywhere. First, his career has just been too great If he's going to go out, he's going to go in a phenomenal way Pun intended What I think is going to happen is I see that he and Ian Guther are going to have A big match But I do expect At some point, somebody to run in Leading up to a Wrestlemania I agree with the last caller This isn't big enough for an AJ exit I also believe that AJ's going to go out as a heel It's going to be exciting. I think that we saw the letdown of John Cena. And again, I'm a John Cena hater.

52:52I'm not a fan. I'll be honest with you. I thought he was just a modern-day Sambo, respectfully. Oh, my God. I don't know if you said respectfully. But let me ask you a question, though. Why do you think AJ would go out as a heel? Because I think that, first of all, I think his character is much better as a heel. I think that in the climate of WWE right now, another face, Gunther beating another face, it's not exciting. It's not, it just doesn't tell a big enough story. I don't think their rivalry has been big enough to where it would really be climatic if he beat AJ. It just hasn't been enough.

53:34If we've had a couple months to tell this story and it's been back and forth and, you know, it's been a real grind, I get that. But, you know. Well, I agree with you on the timing. I agree with you on the timing. I just can't see AJ at this point, like, turning heel and then it ends for him as a heel. I just see him going out as a celebrated good guy. I really can't picture it. If he's elevating a new champion, if he's elevating an up-and-comer that really needs it, Goethe doesn't need this. It would be a letdown. Whether he won or not, it would be like, let's side. There would be nothing that we're going to get out of it.

54:17But if they give us AJ in a surprise, he'll turn, and he is wrecking shop as AJ does, and then we see a retirement match with someone who, you know what, I don't think he can beat AJ. Now we're getting excited. Now we're in a situation where it doesn't matter. I'll concede that. Thank you for the call, Jason. I'm going to concede that. I will concede that point. I think AJ going to a role where you got to have him have a match against someone where you legitimately didn't know he would win or lose. Yes. I think that would make it a lot of fun. And I think he would potentially be able to truly like make, you know, quote unquote, make someone.

55:02You know what I mean? Like whoever that was. I mean, just to throw this out for fun. Jason, have a good weekend, man. Be safe out there in Cincinnati. Like, for example, just throwing this out here for fun. But like if if AJ ended up in his retirement match was against a Javon Evans, who I'm sure they could have a magical, athletic, very bouncy match, if you will. and you really don't know what's going to happen, I can see how that result could be exciting. But I think, again, Jason, you're missing the point to some degree. The idea is it's not about it being exciting. It is about Gunther being built up to be the most hated, evil heel in the company.

55:48That is, to me, what the whole thing is. and so yeah you're not going to feel a lot of excitement if he just pounds AJ Styles and retires him I listen I hated the Cena match I admit it I'm not a pro wrestler every wrestler you guys think of a wrestler that you know and love I've probably already argued with them about the match because they all liked it and I didn't I'm not trying to be a pro wrestler I'm trying to I mean, me, fan, broadcaster who gives my opinions on it, it wasn't for me. But I am not so stubborn to not be willing to admit that it has contributed to where Gunther is getting heat from.

56:36It has. It did serve a purpose. Again, I still would not have had Cena give up. I don't get it. I still don't think you needed it. We can argue about the poetry of it until you're blue in the face. John Cena never gives up and him never giving up and losing would have been awesome and Gunther would still be the man and I would have had I would have rather John Cena didn't give up and it got Gunther so mad that Gunther beat him to the point where John Cena's retirement ended with him being stretchered out that would have been heat baby that would have been fire rather than John just like oddly smirks and taps and then puts his stuff down amidst booze and walks out of the arena.

57:23Not for me. But again, you can slice it. 50 cents one way, half a dollar the other, because right now, guess what? Everyone's booing Gunther. And that is what they wanted, and that is what they're expecting to have happen should he do the same to AJ Styles. All right, there's a lot of people on the phone. Everyone really wants to get it. I want to get to Tony at some point who wants to talk Evolve. Believe me, I'm here for that because Evolve has been cranking these days, in my humble opinion. But let's go to Chris in Atlanta. We tried to get to him earlier. He has an interesting thought. Chris, what's good, man?

57:55Yeah, hey, thanks for taking my call. Of course. I just had a quick thought about the Gunter AJ because obviously neither one of them can go over clean, right? so I was thinking after the last face-to-face they have what if Frankie from TNA came down interfered caused AJ to match Gunther gets to say he retired AJ from WWE and then that gets AJ back in TNA so that is compelling but it doesn't change that it would still be a sort of womp womp retirement from WWE and now AJ's whole WWE retirement ends up kind of being an angle for TNA. I mean, listen, respect to the AMC era, but I don't see it. Yeah, but I think AJ would, I don't know.

58:49He's been there. He was there from the start. He might want to finish there, you know? You know what? That is a good point. Now you're making a good point because we'd have to go back. When AJ said 2026 was going to be his last year in wrestling, did he say his last year in WWE? Or did he say his last year in wrestling? Because maybe that is the whole thing, and maybe, thank you for the call, Chris, maybe the sort of wink-wink was, I love TNA, we now have this relationship anyway. my last WWE match will be the rumble. And then I will do the rest of the year in TNA and I will help bring eyeballs to them as they enter this new era.

59:36And I will be the top guy on their show for the next 10, 11 months. That's, that's compelling. That's compelling. Have you heard that at all this week, Kelly? Is it this? I think we had a call or say something similar, not necessarily with the TNA involvement in the match at the rumble, but more so that maybe we see AJ more so and TNA down the line. But I do have a hard time believing that WWE would set up the AJ angle for TNA. It just doesn't sound like it fits. Unless the only way it would be is if it was like AJ, what he really wanted. And he was like, hey guys, I've given you 10 years. I think this would be a cool way for me to go out.

1:00:17Helping them again would be a way. That would be the only way. And then they say, all right. And let's be honest. Like, if we're if we're being realistic, is AJ AJ is not getting a Cena retirement tour, just to be clear. So it's I'm not going to say he's going to go out with a whimper, but there's a lot of people who need time on television. AJ is going to get some love, but I don't even think an AJ angle. It's not going to get the flair love. I don't think it's going to get what flares retirement got. I think it would be somewhere below what Flair got, below what Cena certainly got. So maybe he thinks, I would like to just go out with TNA where I can be the guy.

1:01:07Kelly, we tried calling SGG. He said he's trying to call the hotline. I mean, SGG is trying not the hotline. He doesn't have the hotline. SGG is trying to call the phone lines and can't get through because we're too on fire. It is too packed. Do you want me to text him the guest line? Yeah, text him the guest line if he wants to pop on and say hello. But he better be weighing in on AJ and Guther because that's all we're talking about. Let's keep things going. Actually, before I lose my Evolve guy, let me go to Tony who wants to support my show. Tony in Fort Lauderdale. What's going on, Tony? Pete, what's up?

1:01:39As your 116th co-host of the day, I'd like to quickly, if I may, proceed in the following format. make a comment ask you a question pose one to the nation if i'm wow all right so regarding evolve this last episode um there was a backstage uh segment with uh nikita and ariana and i think that just based on the quality and the fact that that um clip exists already puts that show above ring of honor and at least at the level of nwa and felt like a weekly wrestling show to me for the first time, which is saying something for being such a developmental brand. It did. That Nikita Ariana thing, it hit that well with you?

1:02:23It felt on par with what I'm seeing on my other weekly shows. And honestly, with some of the backstage stuff, it was kind of on par even with TNA. There was a little friendly silliness to it where you're just watching and waiting to last. And that made it feel like an hour wrestling show to me finally. And as far as my question for you, sir, what I noticed, what stuck out to me in this episode your bespoke satin jacket bedazzled with your monogrammed letters now very reminiscent of Bobby the Brain Heenan but what immediately struck my mind if you, I, Damien Priest and Zelina Vega of us three, Tony and Fort Lauderdale Damien Priest, Zelina Vega, vouch for you will you consider commandeering all the stuff that my Puerto Rican people put out with the PR initials on it and emblazoned it as your own.

1:03:15Well, I'll have you know, first of all, I'd be honored to have that because I love Puerto Rico, I love my Boricua people, and I own multiple Puerto Rico hats because of the PR, and I do love Puerto Rico. So, yes, I would gladly, I'd be honored to share the PR of Puerto Rico with yours truly. That jacket, by the way, was a gift from Dipperstein and my agent Courtney when I got my job with WWE I'd been there like a year or so and as a gift they had that jacket made and it's made in the exact it's made in the exact same look of Bobby Heenan's jacket the star on the back the way the lettering is done all of it's the exact same way as Heenan's jacket except it's my name as far as I'm concerned the only thing that compares to it is a Ribeiro jacket and lastly By the way, I better get a Ribera jacket.

1:04:11The next time, here's the question. What do I do? I've been to Ribera once, but I wasn't yet active in the company. If I go to Ribera as a former 24-7 champion, is someone going to know? Are they going to be like, hey, we need to give him a Ribera jacket. He's a champion. This man's a wrestler. Oh, Jays. I think the chances are good, and the reason why I'm going to compare it to something recent. From what I understand, this guy Justin Roberts has one, the announcer for AEW. Now, if he has one, that can only mean one thing. Absolute cashola. He paid. Well, I mean, listen, but Justin Roberts is a very accomplished ring announcer.

1:04:51Maybe they saw him and they go, wow, that's the voice for many years of WWE and now AEW. That's very promising. All right, what was your question for the nation? yeah as far as my ear goes i want to know i can't be the only one but does sgg not sound like stokely hathaway from aew i'll hang up and listen pedro you know what i gotta think about that do i think that sgg sounds like stokely um that's a great question hold on i'm trying to get sgg on the line you don't have his um number huh I don't think I do. I just scoured for it. All right. I'm going to send you, I'm going to send you SGG's contact right now.

1:05:33Perfect. So we can get SGG on the show. And then we can really tell. Yeah. And then the people on the show. Yeah. And then the people in the nation can decide. All right. I'm sending this to you right now, Kelly. There, your name's not Jelly. It is Kelly. There we go. Sent. All right. Greg is listening though right now. He insists already he does not sound like Stokely Hathaway. I knew he'd say that and furthermore I believe knowing SGG he's going to suggest the caller only said it because they're both black I know that's where SGG is going to go while we're looking for SGG let's go to Pete in Colorado in the meantime hey Pete I know this is going to sound weird but I'm getting a rocky vibe with this whole AJ Gunther bill where basically he retires AJ and then later on he beats down some guy like one of his buddies from the Bullet Club or whatever and then comes back out of retirement to the defending.

1:06:39You know what? Sort of, but I will tell you this. I have been getting I've been getting vibes of Rocky 2. I don't know why. I had Rocky in my mind. I'm saying that Rocky is in the Russian, basically, and he retires him, and then the Russian is Gunther, beats one of his friends, and he comes out of retirement to beat him again. You know why I was thinking about Rocky? Because I was picturing that beatdown, and they're trying to pull him away, and it was giving me Rocky Drago vibes. or Clubber Lang vibes, you know, like that indomitable heel who's just beating him down and people are pulling him off.

1:07:27Like, that's kind of what I want to see more from Gunther. And again, that was why I was so disappointed with the McAfee match where he, like, showed him respect afterwards. I'm like, I know Gunther's, like, supposed to be, like, a gentleman on some level. I think if you want him to be who he's supposed to be, get rid of the gentleman and bring in just the beatdown king. That's what I want. and that's why I have a feeling it's kind of leaning to that story of Rocky and Drago yeah well that's a good call man we'll see we'll see alright we have SGG thank you for the call buddy we have SGG on the line let's take the break let's take the break and come back with SGG how about that let's take our last break and come back with SGG plus your phone calls Kelvin, Kevin, Steve everyone who's on the line at 877-344-4893 all of my real co-hosts my bootleg co-hosts have have left us and one of them is back on the phone lines we'll get to sgg next right here on cheap heat live pro wrestling nation 24 7 promotional consideration paid for by the following new world wrestling federation superstars cookies from solano great tasting cookies in 10 fun to eat wwf wrestling shapes cheap heat live pro wrestling Nation 24-7.

1:08:46I'm Peter Rosenberg, your forever 24-7 champion, at Rosenberg Radio on all the socials. And I'm told, do we have our guy on the line? Oh, fresh out of court. I'm here. Making time for us before the show ends. It is Stat Guy Greg. Hey, SGG. What's going on, Pete? I've been listening. The co-hosts have been doing great, I got to say. Well, I know you had a problem with one of them, though. Yeah, yeah. I don't sound like Stokely. And I don't think he said it because we're black. I think he said it because we're both bald and handsome. So, you know. You just got to take it on the chin. That's all you can do.

1:09:25That's all you can do. Were you successful in court? I think so. The judge ended up reserving his decision. So we have 30 days before we find out exactly what's what. But my client had custody of the kids, was living in Florida with the kids. We got a court order temporary over the summer that said that she could keep the kids with her in Florida. And then he didn't reverse any of that. So my guess is that he's going to say that they can live in Florida just because it doesn't make sense to send them back to Florida, only to tell them to come back to Philly later. So I think we got it. So maybe successful.

1:10:08likely successful i think this was i want to talk aj gunther yes please this is something we really didn't get into on our patreon this week we talked about so many things but not aj gunther dip was on the phone to start the show and he absolutely thinks aj's career is over at the rumble what do you think i think dip is wrong that's to the surprise of no one who listens to the show I don't think AJ's career is over at the Rumble, but I don't think we get a decisive winner. Now, how they do it, whether it's a schmoz or we get interference from somebody that sets up a new feud, I don't think Gunther does it.

1:10:51That's because, despite what they've been saying on TV, Gunther's not the career killer, right? He got John Cena and Goldberg under his belt, but one guy said he was retiring a year in advance and gave us the date and then the other guy was semi-retired you know he just comes out every once in a while for his own ego but gutter didn't kill any careers gutter like threw the last pile of dirt on the careers but you know gutter the career killer it's false to be that he does need to beat aj styles though yeah i guess you're right i mean it's a really good point if he does so wait so how do you see the match ending then what's the result

1:11:37interference um you know i don't know i don't think i don't think we get a clean winner though so so i was asking this question earlier maybe you'd remember do you remember a time when there was a career threatening stipulation and the match just sort of smozed out

1:11:59no i can't really recall that happening so interference would have to like still lead to a finish so like interference that leads to a aj to an aj win or a gunther disqualification or an agent something some sort of finish yeah but yeah i agree yeah because i don't think aj is going to beat him clean. No, I don't think that can't happen. That doesn't do their any favor. I will tell you, that would be some of the most insane booking of all time if your man just ended John Cena and then loses clean to a guy who's almost the same age seconds later. Yeah. That would make no sense. That would be crazy.

1:12:39And look, I don't think... No, go ahead. Oh, no, go ahead. No, no. This is your show. Oh, no, stop. This is our show. So what I was going to ask you was for the Royal Rumble, you know, we don't know a lot of participants, and I'm hoping we keep it that way because now we only have a few shows left. I don't need them to throw in a whole bunch of names for no reason. Oh, and guess what? This one's in the Rumble, and that one's in the Rumble. At this point, SGG, you're not going to give us a story around them anyway. Just surprise me. And furthermore, they're building a whole stadium in Riyadh. we've always heard that the Saudi Arabian events, they always want the biggest names.

1:13:26Who is a possible surprise entrant for a Rumble in which you'd have to imagine we get a couple? I mean, I feel like because we haven't seen him yet, Jericho is one, of course. Brock Lesnar is another one that I would say is an, of course, that's a surprise. I know, but that doesn't even count to me. I mean, Brock's there. Brock's there. Every Brock appearance is a surprise. Right, exactly. He goes away, and then the next one, surprise. Surprise again. Surprise again. A big one that I would think, you know, would be reminiscent of a John Cena just because of how recently this injury occurred is a Seth Rollins.

1:14:08You know, is he also a freak athlete that's going to make it back in time for the Rumble? And I thought about that because I can't remember where I saw it, but I saw a picture. It was from John Cena's gym, and it had like a list of athletes who accomplished some feat at the gym. I forget exactly what it was, but Seth Rollins was on the list. So I'm considering him a super athlete on the level of a John Cena who was basically Wolverine, right? He got injured. He came back right away from everything. So I think Seth could be ready for Riyadh. So Crown Jewel was on Saturday, October 11th. November, December, January.

1:14:56We are three months and two weeks removed from an injury that none of us know the exact details of, but I think everybody thought was a minimum six-month situation. Right. You know, the question would be, right, like, is there a world in which, you know, you're not ready at all to have full-on wrestling matches, but you could come in, toss a couple people over the top, and win at the end? Like, I don't know how that works. I mean, I don't know how that works either. That would be, I will tell you, though, that would be a legitimate big-time surprise. How locked in is the internet right now that Jericho's coming back?

1:15:39Is it really believed that's happening? I think people have been believing that for a long time. Yeah, because he's been gone from AEW, I want to say, since April of 2025. And then, of course, there were the rumors towards the end of the year that he signed. Maybe he didn't sign. He's coming back. He's not coming back. Tony Khan was asked and didn't lock down his status. So I think people are expecting him to pop up. All right. SGG, I want to try to get to a couple of our last callers who've been waiting. You're the best. We'll talk next week. I'm going to hang up here and listen. First time, long time.

1:16:17Great show. Stay mage. I want to hit Hunter real quick in Iowa. Two calls from Iowa today. My goal is to get through everybody, to hit their thoughts real quickly on our way out the door. Hunter in Iowa. On Chad Gable. What do you got, Hunter? Hey, how's it going? I saw a report saying Chad Gable could be coming back soon. I'm really hoping to see him return at Royal Rumble. because imagine a scenario where El Grande Americano, Lovett Kaiser enters the Royal Rumble match and the very next entrant is none other than a returning El Grande Americano, Chad Gable, and we get a face-off between the two El Grande Americanos.

1:16:52It's super fun. Or even if he comes back as Chad Gable and not El Grande Americano and they just stare at each other awkwardly, there's so many ways you could do it that would be fun. And let's not forget, at different points, Chad Gable has just been so awesome and over. Versus Sumo telling me in our chat that, according to recent social media, Chad Gable is yoked and ready to come back. Let's go to Jeff in Pennsylvania for our last call of the day. Our last co-host for the day, Jeff. What do you got, buddy? Save the best for last, Pete. First time, long time with a life. And I'm also a dad in my 40s.

1:17:27So let's go. Yes! My God! Every Rumble season. Every Rumble season, I watch Rumble 92. I know you do as well because it's the best Rumble, arguably. Yes. So this year I was thinking a little bit about Tuesday in Texas and all of the Michigash that happened that led to the Rumble 92. Cody and Drew and Jacob Fatou of it all, we have four people in a number one contenders match. There's just a good amount of a good amount, a good number of elements of chaos this year. So I think this weekend could just be a big clusterfuck, and the title should be vacated, and that leads to a mad rush while we're all stuck inside over the next few days because of this storm, leading up to a WWE Undisputed title being available to the winner of this Royal Rumble.

1:18:17What do you think? Wow, I don't think that's going to happen, Jeff. First of all, you are a great guy. You're welcome here anytime. What a great call to close it out. I don't see it happening, but I would be for it. Susumo, Kelly, Emilio, thank you guys. SGG and Dip, eh, you did your best. Just kidding. Love you all. Everyone stay mage and enjoy yourself. We'll talk to you next week. Enjoy Saturday Night's Main Event.