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0:27it's cheap heat with peter rosenberg featuring stat guy greg and dip oh hey ladies and gentlemen happy new year and welcome back to cheap heat live pro wrestling nation 24 7 so those of you who were with us on january 2nd good to see you again good to hear from us i should say um if it's your first time in 2026 welcome aboard i'm your forever 24 7 champion peter rosenberg i am at the wwe performance center in orlando florida um and get this folks sitting next to me at the performance center is none other than 38 at 35 dipperstein wow i have decided to start my training. I'm going to be bumping and bumping.

1:17It's time. I'm running the ropes. Oh, yeah. I'm jumping off probably the first rope. Yeah, I would start on the first turn buckle. Oh, yeah, probably. And then on my second day, I'm going to learn a 360 splash. You're going right to it. Yeah. Yeah. I go right to the 360 splash. Joining us in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He's back home. He made it back from Hawaii. It's the physically strong SGG. Hey, SGG. I got to say, I don't want to be here. I want to be still in Hawaii. You don't want to be at the Performance Center? I want to be at the Performance Center, sure. But if it's the Performance Center, then Philly and Hawaii.

1:56Philly is definitely the last place I want to be. Yeah, I hear you, S-E-G. Philly in January, it's not one of the most popular destinations. I know it well. I spent many Januaries there. 18 of them, in fact. Is that it? 18 Januaries in Philly? That was it, huh? 18 January. Some of the great Januaries. No, the 19th January, you were back for probably at least half of it after break, no? Yeah, of course. I was always there for break, but full Januaries. 18. You know what? That's the name of Dipp's future biography. 18 Januaries in Philly. It shaped the man that he is today. Happy to be here with everyone.

2:33A lot of different things to talk about today. A lot. I went to Monday Night Raw. Actually, Dipperstein was there as well. Yeah, I did. I went to Monday Night Raw. I love wrestling, by the way. Big fan of the products. Yeah, you think it's great? I do think it's great. I've been told. We took in the matches. We watched the matches, yeah. All the matches. We saw most of them. I saw most of the matches. I did not get to see Becky Lynch's Intercontinental Championship match in full because she had me escorted to the back by security, which was an interesting occurrence. SGG, I was kind of hoping I'd hear from you that night, like a text, like, hey, like with my sort of maybe like some legal angles for me.

3:12unfortunately i was on i was on a beach probably when you were getting kicked out but we have we still have time to to file definitely the defamation because it's it's been a weekly assault pipsqueak peter rosenberg is just thank you what can we do about that can we do we have a defamation situation there with the pipsqueak peter rosenberg absolutely absolutely i mean you're going to be held to a higher standard because you're a public uh public person you You know, you're a celebrity. You're the hardest working man in sports entertainment and sports entertainment. So you can't just go with a straightforward defamation suit.

3:46You have a higher threshold to meet. But, I mean, look, this is pure malice out of Becky Lynch. She knows it's a lie. She knows that she's spreading harmful untruths about you. And we can definitely do something about that. And we will. I appreciate that. I'm glad someone has my best interest in mind. Someone is truly unbiased here. Someone is able to step in and defend me. I'm truly glad that I have you in my life, SGG. Thank you. I appreciate you as well, Peter. It was a really fun show. The walls did not break. Adam Pearce definitely went on social media and made it feel like the walls might break.

4:31They're intact, as far as I can see. The walls are intact. Fully intact. Oh, yeah. There's not a wall being broken anywhere in this great nation. I'll tell you that right now. Which, listen, it still turned out to be a great show overall, right? You had multiple title changes. We'll get into them. Women's tag title change hands. Becky wins the Intercontinental Championship back from Maxine by cheating. And then, of course, you get the awesome match between Braun Breaker and CM Punk that was a lot of fun. But I still felt like I'd been having conversations. people have started to change the standard of like oh my god is something happening you know what i mean like is something like is something big happening tonight and people like oh yeah something's happening i don't consider a really good match i don't consider a really good match like something's happening um no of course not i i i was ready for the walls to break down i was i I'm looking around this room, looking at these walls, thinking at a certain point, they could be broken.

5:37And what happened? They stayed intact. But that said, were you satisfied with the main event? Do you think the main event was something? Do I think it was something? Yes. I mean, nothing happened angle-wise at the end of the match. There was a clean win by CM Punk. Clean Ajace win by CM Punk. To me, that's not something. That's a good match. It was a good wrestling match. It was a good wrestling match. Would I say something? No, definitely not something. I didn't think they were pulling the trigger on Breaker on a Monday Night Raw. Yeah, there were people I saw out there. I talked to people. We ran into a lot of great people that night at Barclays Center.

6:19There was a suite. Netflix had a suite with a bunch of cool people. Sir Wilkins and Pretty Lou and Randy Cruz. Oh, yeah. Don't forget about Randy Cruz. Brian Waters. We love Randy Cruz. Krista B. I mean, it was a crystal B was in there. Krista B. S.U.G. What it sounds like. S.U.G. S.U.G. What it sounds like I'm describing based on everyone I just mentioned is there was a black suite at at at Barclays Center. It sounds like you were invited to the cookout. Let me tell you. Let me tell you something. Dips excited about it. I walk into this suite. It was like Obama walked into the suite. I mean, that was basically the feeling that Peter Rosenberg – that was the reception that he got.

7:05I mean, by the way – Oh, shout out to Shaheem Reid was in the suite. Yeah, don't forget about Shaheem. Chuck Kreekmer was in the suite. Chuck Kreekmer was there. I need to be in the suite at the next Raw. It's Chuck Kreekmer. Yo, he wasn't black enough. SGG, he would change his name from Chuck Kreekmer to Sha-Kreekmer. I mean, so I swear to God, I swear to God, I'm in this, I'm standing in this suite. And, you know, they bring a couple of the stars up to the suites. Javon Evans came up. Oh, sorry. So, so, so they, you know, well, that's it. That was the end. I was about to do a whole thing. Well, how did I ruin it?

7:40I was just saying you basically got the same reception as Javon Evans. No, Javon Evans and I were taking competing pictures at the same time. Yeah. A few people went to you first for the picture, and a few people went to Javon Evans first for the picture. No, can I tell you the truth? In all honesty, in what has been an interesting— And then I took a picture with Ivy Nile. Did you? No, but I do like her. It's been an interesting few weeks, as everybody knows, with me losing the Hot 97 situation and that going away, whatever you want to put it. And SGG, you're right. SGG just texted that he needs to be in this suite at the next Raw.

8:17Yeah, you absolutely should be, bro. I was like, yeah. Next time, because Netflix, they'll probably do it again for March 30th. They just announced March 30th Raw. I think Netflix basically now always has kind of an influencer suite situation. By the way, some peckerheads in that suite. And there were some peckerheads in there, too. It was really cool. And I will be there. I will be there. All right, put it on your calendar. Oh, shout out to the Heel Marks. They were in the suite as well. I enjoy their Instagram page. They were up there. but in all seriousness having not been out since my hot 97 departure it was my that was my first time outside and i i gotta tell you you don't know like how people are what are people gonna feel awkward like oh man i gotta tell you dip i felt hotter than ever yes it felt hotter than ever isn't that crazy but you know what i think it is though first of all just to be clear there were a lot of people in that room that i sincerely love and obviously to have real friendships with of Of course he was over like a room, but both can be true.

9:12But I do think SG what I do think it is is people may have love for you and you have a good relationship. And obviously, you know, like I've had a it really was I'm joking about it, but it really was like a lot of the black wrestling Twitter delegation is kind of in that room. That is a that is a community that I generally have a good relationship with. but there is something to when, even if the news that's out about you was like that you left your job or you were told to leave your job, you're still out there. You're still hot. You know what I mean? There's something about when someone's having a moment, regardless of what that moment is.

9:45Exactly. As long as it's not like a horrifying crime. All press is good press. Well, yeah, especially when it's, you know, all press is good. Generally, generally speaking,

9:55Craig got fired on his day off and that was the day that he ran into, into Deebo smoky chill with him all day felicia pop by you know everybody Parker yeah Craig was outside and Craig was still hot great point it's a great point SGG I knew you'd reference Friday to pull this whole thing together you're exactly right um no it was it was a great show now I I have to tell you guys when I was watching the main event I I was they're having a really good back and forth and I had recently seen some social clips moving around of some clunkiness I think I sent it to you guys some clunkiness in previous moments between CM Punk and Bron Breaker and so as the match was going on here and it was getting longer and longer and like more and more detailed I was like this has been really good let's let's wrap this up you know what I mean like let's let's let's get to the end here this is a big night we got to get this done I don't and then as the moment I thought that Punk did the dive and basically landed on his face.

10:55I know. And I was worried. I'm so glad it turned out. I think he's fine. I was worried too. You know I panic when that stuff happens. Yeah. I think he's fine. Did you guys think that the first breaker Frankensteiner was a botch on purpose or a real botch? Big debate. On purpose? You think that was a botch on purpose? He did two Frankensteiners. One he completely missed. And one he was amazing. I think I missed the first one. The first one was a huge botch. It was all over the place. I have to look right now. Oh, my God. SG, what's your feeling on this? Yeah, you know, it was definitely a huge botch.

11:32Like, it wasn't. Oh, you think it was a huge botch? You don't think he did it on purpose to set up for the second mage one? No. Okay. Fair. I mean, that happens a lot, right? You know, they botch a spot and then they go right back to it. I'm watching and I will be the judge. It's a very. I mean, I don't know. It's an incredibly impressive move for a guy like that to do that. Not a Lucha guy to do that. Yeah. Big debate. Big debate. Hold on. I'm watching again, XGG. How early in the match was this? Towards the end. I'd have to watch the sequence that led to it to decide whether I think it's... He leaned back.

12:14I mean, I don't know how the move is executed, although I am... I mean, I'm here now at the Performance Center. right you're starting training you're learning i could learn the frankensteiner today sure sure you could no no i don't know about today but sometimes no today all right so maybe you'll learn it today i'm gonna learn the frankenstein but yeah i'd have to because i was i i have to be honest guys i got a lot going on at home baby etc so i left during the main event and watched it on netflix but i was on my way out watching on my phone i missed this moment i have to see what happened right before it again to see that is interesting god the things people love to debate this is what's great about wrestling this is why i love wrestling i think it's great i think it's great it gives you so many different things to break down as you overall you enjoy the main event oh yeah i definitely did i did this is great wrestling is great guy sign was out there again last week um but you know he's right though i mean no i know but it's like it's like you know we love seeing our pecker heads at these shows clearly this guy's a massive pecker head he seems like a great guy sure does but you know i'd love a cheap heat sign out there i i don't understand why our wonderful listeners they always have signs with like inside jokes someone just we love the inside joke i love it i love it can i just just cheap heat cheap heat live you know cheap heat pro wrestling nation like you promote you gotta we got to spread the brand this is a special program yeah yeah and the discord somebody did mention that they had a listen to cheap heat sign that was confiscated no it's possible they don't that's what they would confiscate that no where listen to cheap and barclays not at barclays but just like in the past they bought one and that that was confiscated try again i don't i don't i don't i think i find that well no i i think this i think the sign confiscation is very arbitrary no and it's also where it's place where where is it did the person see it does the security person who grabbed it know so yeah but listen a shout out to everyone who's been enjoying uh the podcast um i got a nice tweet the millions and millions the millions and millions got a nice tweet from joe a text from joe tess last week i got a text from my friend jonathan zaslo who loved last year last week's show i'll tell you something about tessitore go ahead where's this he said i know sug this is one of the things i talked about dip dip you you do a thing you don't know this yet there's a thing you do i i feel bullied immediately already you do it you like to do a big setup for when you're gonna say something you go i gotta say something here go ahead what would you like to say about chotacitoy well otherwise i won't get my point across oh sure no no we'll talk right over i can't imagine wrestling without him now wow you can't imagine wrestling without him no i i think he's like permanently implanted in my brain at this point you think he's is he the is he to you inherently the next guy yes he's the guy i mean cole of course is like on another planet at this point oh no in a good way but which is such a complete and utter 180 about how i felt about him 10 years ago you know but well you can figure out i mean that i'm the first person standing ovation when he gets to stand i start the standing ovation when michael cole gets in the hall of fame i'm the first person to stand and you would have been the last one you're saying 10 years ago well i don't know the last he wouldn't start third to last but tessitore at this point is the guy and i can't imagine like a wrestling i can't imagine wrestling without him i'm i'm i will tell you guys this i've i more so than either of you i am a broadcasting nerd who knows all the sports broadcasters and i know all the play-by-play people and i know every i know everyone yeah i don't mean personally i mean i know them from watching um i obviously have been watching Joe Tess do boxing and college football and for a few years Monday Night Football I've been watching Tessitore on TV for years always thought he was a really great broadcaster came to WWE he did the impossible they have brought really good broadcasters in to try their hand at WWE and as we know guys it did not work right even my man what was my man's name who did Raw for like three years two years the you the the MMA guy oh I know exactly so I can picture him but I can't I can't remember his name oh Mauro no no not Mauro what Jimmy Smith Jimmy Smith by the way thank you guys by the way it's the name Jimmy Smith that did you know did me no favors in remembering it but um Jimmy Smith was great like he he knows what he's doing he is a professional and yet there was something that just didn't connect.

16:52I never, you know, listen, Adnan is a wonderful broadcaster. It didn't work. Morrow is really fun to watch. Doesn't, in my opinion, doesn't work week to week. I'm sorry. He calls, you can't call the first match of the night like it's the main event at WrestleMania. It just didn't connect him. Yeah. Now I hear, though, sparsely, I hear him now all, you know, from boxing and stuff, and I'm like, that's nice to hear him again. Oh, no. Morrow's very talented, and his boxing stuff I really enjoy he does squeeze in hip-hop references sometimes that make me cringe but i think he's generally super talented i enjoy morrow um but no one has pulled off what tessitore pulled off in going from the sports guy to wrestling guy completely seamlessly he and then just from a working with him standpoint he is the best point guard that i've maybe ever worked with i don't want to get a text from michael k yelling at me because although he won't listen to the show so won't matter I've worked with a lot of great it might still come you never know he's insanely sensitive lunatic but I've worked with some really great people who are the point guard and I'm there to be the the two guard right I'm there to pass me the ball and I take my little threes and that's it Joe Tess as a point guard is so good yeah he empowers me and Big E so much like coaches us the right way uh coaching is the wrong word he doesn't try to be coach but leads on the court the right way and like man he just he's flawless yeah the guy's constantly flawless yeah i mean honestly i'm glad you mentioned uh you and biggie too because i was gonna say it's not just raw and i guess smackdown starting tonight um now that they go three hours uh joe tess is moving to the lead announcer there but it is the the pre and post shows those kickoff and and closing shows like after the show's done he does a phenomenal job like in all of it and it it sort of feels like he can be plug and play with this WWE shit.

18:50And you want to know this too? Here's the interesting part about Joe Tess. Because of the way things have gone, he does this huge stuff and now he does all of Countdown and Post Show, all this stuff. But he's yet to do a PLE because Cole is the voice of PLE. Is that right? That's right. No. Yes. Joe Tess, I believe, has never called a match on a PLE. whenever that day comes that's my point we haven't even gotten all of this is the beginning of the Joe Tess run and it makes sense this isn't something I'd imagine bothers Tess you have the friggin Howard Cosell Michael Cole is there to do this but then we're going to get this next iteration of Joe Tess when he gets to call the big PLEs down the line shout out to Joe Tess He is a treasure in this business.

19:46We're going to take a break. I want to talk about the tag titles for a moment. I want to talk about the women's tag titles. I apologize. I want to talk about the unreal trailer that dropped this past week. I want to get to some things from Dynamite from a couple of days ago. I went to an omakase that I want to discuss. dip went to omakase which is something i learned today that dip never attaches his phone to car his phone to carplay sgj that it's that's insane he he's sitting we're in orlando going from the diner where we had some breakfast but i could talk about his egg obsession another time and on our way from the diner to the performance center he's typing in the performance center address and i'm like to connect it to the car play and he's like i just look at the phone i went it takes two seconds what do you mean he goes no no even at home i don't use car i don't like when the text message comes into the screen and and it ding i don't like that you can do do not disturb no and then i then no one disturb i want to be disturbed but you shouldn't you don't want to be disturbed you the the maps on the thing in front of you is just so much easier and safer than having to look at your phone listen I'm a creature of habit I don't like brown on my eggs there was a smidge today of the brown on the eggs and I cut it out and then ate a couple bites you notice you ever notice that when people use the term creature of habit it's always attached to a bad habit it's a great point he doesn't go that's why I'm in the gym every day good habit it never is don't talk to me like that we are at the performance center I am shooting just a quick four episodes of Evolve tonight just just four four quick I can't wait to see Evolve in person.

21:35You're in for a treat. I have the card in front of me. There are some quality matchups tonight. I don't want to know. Well, I can't tell anyone because they're not on TV for a while. Yeah, I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I want to be surprised. There's a peckerhead we love who always comes tonight as well. He often wears the cheap heat Rocky shirt as well. Hopefully he will be. So there is some crowd members who are not part of the community here. What do you mean? Yeah, of course. Okay. There are some crowd members who are part of the community? What do you mean, our community? No.

22:09You look at the crowd on Evolve, and I just don't know who these people are. Oh, who they are. Oh, who they are. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh. I thought it was mainly some PC folks. Oh, no, no. So there are sometimes people here, yes, who like - Local nerds is what you're saying. That is correct. Okay. So it is a mix of there are local nerds. Yeah. There are people who know people. But essentially. And Dipperstein. And Dipperstein. But essentially, you know, and not to, I think people have figured out, especially because I just said it, but in general that Evolve is taped. You have to have people here. You can't have it like really open to everybody because you don't want every episode to get spoiled.

22:47So it's important that you kind of know. Because people can't help themselves. Because people can't help themselves. So they keep it small and with people who they know can be trusted to come. Yeah. That's what we do here. Now, so I'm deciding how I feel about the women's tag titles changing hands because you guys have heard me now wax poetic multiple times. I got a hole. That I am ready for Rhea Ripley to not be a part of a tag team situation. Yeah. I think enough is enough. I think if I said this last week but I'll say it again I think that if you wanted to sort of give Rhea a little bit of a pause on where she is in sort of the main event picture I think they should have just given her a break I think it would have been really good timing for Rhea to go away and come back at the Royal Rumble dip I guess now this means we're gonna end up getting to like rio breaking up by wrestlemania and them having a match listen i i can't i don't want to sound i don't be too harsh about this okay because i'm i'm a world-class rio ripley fan of course you but i cannot watch this anymore i i can't this tag team is neat i mean they're the tag team champions now which i which like you just said is you know assume they're gonna be around now for a little bit longer.

24:05Why not use this opportunity? You have Rhea Ripley, who beats the crap out of Zelina Vega during the ambulance match, which I really enjoy. I thought it was the best part of the show. Priest beating Alistair. Yeah, and I haven't really been in on this story at all. No, that made it interesting. At the end of the day, there really is a story there. But I felt like these are two macabre guys or macabre jays guys. I like them macabre versus macabre. We know how you feel about macabre. And then you have. You should at a restaurant. They should do the Dipperstein macabre salad. Then I'm like, I'm salad.

24:39All right. So I made a salad today. I made I fed my friends rabbit today and I made a salad for a rabbit this morning. Wow. I've never made a salad. I never. First of all, I've never fed a rabbit. Second of all, you've never eaten a salad. I eat salad. That's a lie. I eat. Is that a new year's evolution? I eat Caesar salad with salmon constantly. Caesar salad is the very definition of. salad of jay so anyway so i did feed my friends rabbit this morning they eat tons of crap all right we'll get back to make the point on on rio you have ria ripley who enters this story again with the whatever they're calling themselves damian and ria what are they calling themselves again the terror twins the terror twins why not take this opportunity to just full-blown do a terror twins storyline with the two of them they're a mixed tag they're dominant we'll keep you know they made it a point on SmackDown to say this is the end of the Aleister Black Damian Priest feud.

25:36Why? They should elevate the feud by including Zelina Vega and Rhea Ripley into it, lead it all the way up to WrestleMania, and do some sort of innuendo between the four of them. Why do we have to see this Kabuki thing and the EO Rhea thing again? We've seen it thousands of times already. I have to tell you, I don't hate the point that Dipperstein's making right now, SGG. I don't hate this. As far as what? Greg, hold on. Before you make a crazy point that I'm going to disagree with, how can you disagree that you've seen Kabuki versus Io and Rhea? I mean, there's every combination. What else is there to do with them?

26:20Nothing. Nothing. and what story could they tell with Lash and Nia Jax? I mean, maybe it'll be good. I don't know. I like that tag team. That's a tag team. Well, something goes there. They're big. They're imposing. Yeah. I agree with you. They're scary. All right, go ahead, SJJ. Yeah, no, my only thing is what's the point of doing a mixed anything with them? That, to me, is a bigger waste of Rhea Ripley. No disrespect to Damian Priest, but you know a mixed tag situation is going nowhere. Like it has a ceiling. There's no championships. There might be a huge match at Mania. You're obsessed with championships.

26:58It's built better for a one-off, right? Like even Punk and AJ and Seth and Becky, they did their mixed tag thing. It was a one-off and they went their separate ways. That's what it's built for. It's built for one big moment, one big time. And, you know, it wasn't at a P.E. Yes, built it up to that moment. But they had that. They had that on the SmackDown. But they should build up to that moment with many little moments. I mean, I don't need everyone to have it. I don't need every single person to be after a championship. Not every person on the show needs to be after a belt, after the 30 belts they have.

27:30no that's not what you can't say that the bigger thing is the nothing thing right because it's it's just a mixed tag one-off something that it would be nothing if they greg if they tell no story if they tell no story it's nothing if they figure out a way to tell a good story with zelena vega whose dope doesn't really get ever get that much again and rhea ripley tell a great story with them just the way they told a great story with live morgan and rhea ripley we can't complain Ain't about a thing dragging out by supplanting it with another thing that's just built to drag out. Right? They're going to have to do the game.

28:06Why is it built to drag out? What I think about what Dip's saying here is two things. One, I just feel like the Kabuki Rhea Io thing now has been endless. Like, it reminds me of sort of like the Usos and the Vision in a schmaz at the end of Raw. It has just been over and over and over again. And I like the fact, the main point that Dip made that I found compelling is the ambulance match did feel like something. It felt like a moment. It's good. And there's something about the Priest-Ria relationship that's compelling, and I think there could be more there. Yeah. I think there's more to explore with Priest and Ria.

28:52I'm going to tell you what else there is to explore with Priest and Ria. Go ahead. all of a sudden you make them an actual thing. You know, they're together. I'm not saying sexually together, you know, on the air. But I'm saying, like, maybe there's a... I don't need to clarify that. Although I do. I've always said romantic should be in play for them. Romantic thing between the two of them, are they or aren't they, is a good thing. I love that. I love are they or aren't they. Yes. And then, because Priest needs to be, since you're obsessed with titles, SGG, I'll give you this. Dominic is going to need somebody to chase that title when he's back from injury.

29:30So why not have it be Damian Priest? And then you, because by the way, he's firmly in the midcard at this point. So why don't you have Damian Priest chase the Intercontinental Championship and face Dom, and then all of a sudden you have the Liv thing back with the Terror Twins and you have like that sort of innuendo, romantic, not romantic, is Liv jealous of Rhea, or is excuse me is Rhea still secretly jealous of Liv with Dom and you have the four of them tell a great story lead that up to Mania and be that have have Dom's match at Mania instead of some fakakta thing they'll do hopefully not with a celebrity it'll be with Damian for the Intercontinental Championship that's where I think this should go after the Rumble and I disagree for the same for the same point yeah you're you're taking yes the Kabuki how could you disagree with that the Kabuki thing it dragged out yes it absolutely did but now they're tag champions and that opens up a world of possibility for them they get to throw on the brands they get to that freshens up the competition lash and naya is waiting in the wings uh charlotte and alexa could be on the table for them it opens up a lot of possibility for them with the tag team titles versus going back to the terror twins and doing a mixed thing that's not going to work and then taking the terror twins and putting them back with the judgment day which was a storyline now you talk about something that dragged on forever but it's that drags on there ever but but at least they told a story it told a story ria and police need to get away from the judgment day way worse like it like faster than ria needs to get away from the kabuki and eo thing well my biggest thing is not back to it my biggest thing is not even about the ria and eo with the kabuki thing i just don't really feel like ria and eo need to be in a tag team and i felt like ria and EO had told their story.

31:16The story of Rhea has never beaten EO is an interesting story. And one day I want to see it end. I don't think it's anytime soon. So I'm good with them wrapping it up now. Like, they have been together now for going on a year. I don't think it needs to be finished up now. And I have to imagine now that this tag title reign will lead to a breakup and then lead to a match. Rhea needs to be the heel in this. EO cannot be the heel. We don't need to see heel I think we're all on the same page on that I agree I agree and can I can I circle back to something you said to Pete that that is my problem with Rhea and EO as a tag team and now as tag team chances because now on Monday Night Raw I have my eye towards two breakups and they're both tag team chances the Usos and now it's Rhea and EO and I feel like I'm setting myself up for disappointment because they can't do both and if they do do both it's just absolutely lazy so it's just about which one do they do and you know which one is more impactful you know it's not going to be the usos 877-344-4893 877-344-4893 where are you at on uh the ria eo have you had enough of seeing rio and the kabukis what do you think of dips idea about the terror twins being more of a thing a lot more to get into in the second hour and more cheap heat live next right here on pro wrestling nation 24 7 Promotional consideration paid for by the following.

32:42Get ready for the ride of your life in Total Recall. The NES game based on the Schwarzenegger blockbuster movie. Defeat the Marshall Mutants, Secret Agents and more from Acclaim. We are back on this lovely Friday. I'm at the Performance Center. Dip is actually down here doing some business as well. So we are together in the lovely Bully Ray Studios at the WWE Performance Center. SUG is with us in Philadelphia PA and there's a lot to get to in hour two we haven't even finished getting everything from Monday Night Raw this week which was I thought generally speaking a solid episode we just spent a lot of time on the Rhea and EO of it all I dip just spoke about enjoying Julia's performance which I was glad to hear but I was a little confused about why we just got Matt Cardona back next week and first of all I know this is nitpicky we're all happy that Matt Cardona is back and we are however it was the second time in a row where we saw Matt Cardona pop up in upstate New York I think it's a coincidence I guess it is and I guess they wanted him on Smackdown but couldn't you have just waited and had him make the comeback at Barclays Center on Monday and then assign him to SmackDown?

34:02It doesn't matter. We need to stop with the show's matter. God, let me tell you something. So just let him come back on a Monday, SGG, in Brooklyn where they would have went crazy, and then afterwards you see him backstage and Pierce is like, hey, man, it's been a pleasure. And he goes, because by the way, these decisions on what show people are going to make no sense anyway. So Cardona just says to Pierce, hey it's been great being here I want it to pop up in Brooklyn but I'm going to Smackdown my friend and walks out that's it yeah well that then then that gets you back into the you know they make decisions and what are we doing with the Pierce and Aldis which is another point that we were just making well so let's make it right now okay like so we're all very excited about the NXT call ups right we're getting Javon Evans we haven't even gotten yet to Obafemi who vacated the NXT title um we're there's a lot of Jordan Grace you just mentioned there's a lot of fun stuff happening with talent coming up but sgg it feels like it's been 20 years of not being able to figure out a consistent plan of getting people on a show and even deciding what the show relationship is is there a difference between raw and smackdown like they there's never a consistent thing there and so as a result we keep hearing this i don't know where i should go um and like they act as if it's a choice it's a team what is it what is it what is raw what is smackdown sgg i am so not a fan of the well i'm backstage talking to aldous and now i'm backstage talking to pierce and i'm touring the arenas and i'm running into potential they did that with every single person it feels like for the past three years i i remember they did it with jade and now jade is doing it with uh jordan grace and like well you better go to the other show it's just like can we just get a pop-up can we just get a pop-up yeah you don't care i'm here i'm on this show and this is what it is all like can we just have them if we're not going to commit if we're not going to commit to what it means then just let it mean nothing it's just half baked have jordan grace come out and hit jade cargill with a with a chair and make an impactful thing you wait if we're seeing her backstage and who are you are you this that is what is this it makes them feel weak instantly jordan if we have to do if we have to do the free agent i'm choosing between shows whatever thing we could do it on nxt the cw i'm sure they have some program to fill send pierce and all this down this put him in the crowd to scout like sure do it that way and have them decide like you know what next week i'm gonna be on a new show you'll figure out out monday or friday wherever i pop up that's my show but do it that way like this this i'm coming in and i'm backstage and i'm talking to the people and i'm gonna have a tryout match and you know i i'm over it i'm over it yeah this has been a thing now for a really long time where and don't even get me started god forbid we have a conversation about the draft right like they never got as much as wwe has wanted to do a sports like thing at times right they've never been able to fully execute the draft and it's crazy because backstage you have writers and talent and producers who are sports obsessed and know exactly what sports feels like and yet for some reason no one's able to ever figure out the way to handle these shows maybe it's a thing where it's really complicated because no one ever wants to say that one show is better than the other you have to be really mindful of the competition because you have a deal for raw on television a deal for smackdown on television maybe it just complicates the whole thing i don't know i want to just know the thinking And again, we are wrestling experts as fans.

38:07We are not wrestling experts as wrestlers. And so there's a big difference, and we know that. But I must know the thought process. What occurs that does not put somebody in, like, you're debuting Jordan Grace. Or you're debuting Javon Evans, or whoever. What is the thought process of, let's not put them in a story or a feud right away. let's put them in a backstage like where should i go what should i do do you know who i am you're young around here we are like what like why does that have to be the thing all the time it's you should immediately i mean you remember the way they debuted china she was in the crowd as like this big muscular lunatic massive person and she started choking out marlena and nobody knew who she was and then all of a sudden you're like oh my god like like this person matters who is this monster who can yeah and and all of a sudden she was like you immediately established her as someone who mattered who was important the way they they did earthquake back in the day remember i knew i was sug i was counting down to earthquake were you really okay it's just you they're debuting these people as like foreigners i know it's ridiculous you have to also remember like people are fans of the product nxt is promoted a lot maybe maybe there's some research that tells them that like people like people that come up from nxt they like the fans that watch the product that don't watch nxt need re-education like need re-education okay but i want to know like i'd love someone to just explain it to me i don't know it's just if if only like if only in the immediate future there was some sort of event where you have a perfect reason to have people show up and then when they show up they're in the middle of a match and they can have interaction with other wrestlers and create something going forward the rumble but i come on like what but that shouldn't be blown over why didn't we just do this at the rumble like what bring obafemi in bring jordan grayson and then they get into someone and then they say they're going here's the thing here's and i know that they were trying to showcase i just want to stop it real quick even if you even if you say that they have data that says that fans need a re-education on people from nxt i don't know that i necessarily buy that all the way as a reason why you can't just throw certain people in because if they believe that people don't watch nxt they for sure believe that people don't watch these other companies and they threw aj styles right into it i know he's a big name to us but they threw him in they said this is who he is this is why he matters that doesn't AJ doesn't count Greg this is who she is this is why she matters they can do it and it doesn't take that long to do it to get I agree I don't like squash matches I don't know I don't like squash matches for debuting people I like you know what I like a squash match of someone who's already established I have no problem with that somebody who is like here's the problem hold on hold on real quick we blew past this you're telling me that everything that's happening right now wouldn't be better than if it were in the rumble no obafemi shows up his music hits at the rumble he comes into the rumble and he eliminates brock lesnar and we're off to the races okay that's it he's made it started we're done okay tonight though speaking of him probably good i like him i'm into it of course what are we but what are we gonna do tonight but hold on let me just say one thing if oba if obafemi i know that they were trying to like put nxt people over on the scene a night and that's fine but if obafemi would have gotten who did he wrestle cody he should have beaten cody didn't have to be for the title he should have beaten cody why do we have to follow all the rules all the time the rules can be broken if obafemi would have pinned he didn't have to crush cody roads it could have been an incredible match but oba should have won that match well in fact they had why not who cares cody roads is the highest level of the high And there was an easy way I asked you to do it because you have this whole Drew McIntyre thing.

42:14So Drew could have also like claymored Cody and then Oba finishes him. Sure. So Oba gets the win, but you know it's not clean because Drew cheated. Sure. No, no, but don't just shore it. You're right. Thank you. Don't dismiss it. Dismiss. I'm agreeing. That's how you tie it up and you break those rules. There are ways to break the rules and protect. Because I get it. You don't want Cody Rhodes to just score a job out to people from NXT, but you want Obafemi to be the frigging man. He is the man. So to your point, which I agree with, these guys just wandering around backstage, it makes me already worry about them right out of the gate.

42:52But I'm hoping that we see Obafemi tonight interfere in that main event because you did mention it. Drew did cost him that match. He should have beaten Cody. He probably would have if not for Drew. So I think he might try to get his get back on Drew tonight, hopefully. Thank you, Greg. That's exactly right. Tonight, he should interfere in the main event, and you immediately establish him as a main eventer, as a contender to these two people. And a threat. That should have said a threat. The Oba match with Cody should have started the feud between Cody and Oba. Yeah, or Drew and Oba, whatever way you want to go.

43:25Or Drew and Oba, whatever. But why do we need to have them meander around and decide what brand? I don't know. I'm concerned about the way Javon showed up. They're sort of like, I mean, it sort of seems like SGG, like, I don't know. I know that I know Javon's like fun loving, but like he's also the man in the ring. Yeah. And I don't want him to just be seen as like happy go lucky fun guy backstage having chats. Yeah. Remember, do you remember the era of the Street Profits just wandering around backstage for months? Yeah. It was after they were already up on the main roster. I don't mean this was from NXT, but the SGG, they spent months just being like, what are these?

44:04Is one of them hurt? You're like the hype meant for the whole show. Like they would go. I'm going to make one more point about this. He's making a point, folks. If Austin Theory were a debuting wrestler and he were the man in the hoodie, sounds good to me. I'm fine that it's Austin Theory. I've said it 10 ,000 times. I'm glad he's getting his day now finally in court. But you're saying that would be an interesting way to debut someone. Why not debut Javon Evans like that? I agree. What he just said, SG, the average person would go, what? What are you saying? if it had been like Javon Evans who showed up in the freaking you talk about a shock yeah if it was Leon Slater or Javon Evans instead who was in the vision I know people are like what that's impossible that's the cool part everyone expected Austin Theory and yes I'm happy Austin Theory is getting his moment but from a fan standpoint I would have loved to have been shocked in that moment uh SGG we're gonna get to the phone lines here in a moment but before we do that the unreal trailer dropped this week um did you check it out i did check it out and do you have any thoughts i i gotta say i disagree with paul hayman i like that they're pulling back the curtain and i don't think they're going so deep that we know everything it is still a tv show from the tv show guys that have been putting on a tv show that i've watched for 30 plus years that was entirely geared towards playing with my emotions that through line is it's still there guys yep i don't think that because they're throwing it under the guise of reality tv that that part is going to change like they're not giving me all the sauce because that's that's dumb but don't you think suj that paul hayman was working in that of course of course that's the that's the beautiful part of the entire thing always working all right so i was question mark on everything though like paul hayman was definitely working but it it it triggers that part in wrestling friends brain of like okay is now what i'm getting real like that hook that people have been biting on since before i was born they just thrown it out there again is what i'm getting real now and i gotta say i don't know but i don't care i'm gonna watch i'm gonna tap in um i was i landed in orlando yesterday and i'm you know i'm mindlessly scrolling as i'm walking through the airport because let's be honest we're just at this point a bunch of walking zombies having our entire belief system created by the algorithm that tells us things and i was fed a clip because the algorithm knows that i will get angry of brian alvarez and dave melzer talking about the unreal trailer and they were going off on the fact that in the trailer sug they sort of celebrate the Seth Rollins injury angle when he returned at SummerSlam.

46:54And here is Alvarez and Meltzer from Pro Wrestling Observer Radio talking about it. We had this clip from the new season of WWE Unreal. They're trying to convince you that Seth fooled everyone with his knee injury. When I first watched it, the way the announcers reacted, I thought, this is an angle. But everyone, you know, was going Staten Angle, Staten Angle, Staten Angle. So not a lot of people knew. I mean, I just thought it was so hilarious, like the talent that went in there and goes, I had no idea. And it's like, are you in the real world? Anyone who paid attention, even if they wanted to believe they had heard the story that this probably, you know, if you didn't want to know and you don't follow wrestling closely, yes, of course, you know, you could have been fooled.

47:39But if you were following wrestling at all, you at least heard that this could be an angle and maybe just said, I don't believe it and all that. But you heard it. But the idea that like they fooled everyone. They did not. Okay. Give me a moment here. No, no, no, you can't. I need a moment. Okay. I need a moment. You can have a moment after my moment, but I need a moment. A few things. one every single injury thing that happens in wwe of course could be an angle that's why we love wrestling and think it's great so of course so the thing that melcher says there at the end of course people thought it could be an angle but when they just said talent was in the clip saying oh my god we didn't know and he goes are you in the real world dave they're in the wrestling world they they're working as professional wrestlers they're not spending their life reading every single thing that gets said i have news for you i was there me and many other people had no idea it was an angle and what i resent about it is and and listen i'm not like gonna take some crazy personal shots at Alvarez and Meltzer.

49:00I know people have strong feelings about what they say. I think sometimes they say things that are great. I think sometimes it's asinine. This one falls on asinine. You guys are so up the ace of pro wrestling that you think normal fans, and SGG, I mean hardcore fans. There are people who are hardcore fans who watch all the shows who still thought Seth was legitimately hurt. Why were you? You guys were sure? Everyone knew? everyone knew that that was an angle i i i just what annoys me about it is i personally and maybe it's just i'm defending myself because i come off as a jabroni sg i really thought that the seth injury angle leading up to summer slam was one of the best works and sort of reveals that we've seen in a very long time and they completely dumped on it just because they heard from someone that it was a work right and that's that's the part that i think is absurd right he said anyone who pays attention to wrestling what he really meant was anyone who pays attention to me which i'm sorry dave a lot of people don't and the people that do don't take you seriously and this is more confirmation of that because sure they did say it was a work but that was based on something that they heard they didn't observe this and then say oh well you know i think it's a work because of like they didn't break down the game footage and they heard a rumor and they ran with that rumor turned out to be true but it wasn't like it came from their high grasp of wrestling knowledge in the business and and prophecy and it you gossiped you got gossip That's it.

50:45It was gossip. And a lot of fans, a lot of fans who really love wrestling and follow it intensely did not hear that gossip and were legit. Now, in the building that night, you could hear the shock and awe. People didn't just cheer for Seth. They were shocked. I'm sorry guys you botched you missed that you if you believe everybody knew I am telling you as I sat there and argued about it with Big E a friend of Seth Rollins who didn't know and me who had been at dinner with him the night before and didn't know you cannot tell me that it did not fool a lot of people it was I argued with people in the discord I was like you know I hope it's a work like you said anytime anybody gets injured in wwe there's a 50 50 chance that people's mind they go either work or not work i said i hope it's a work but this feels real the way they presented it felt real he backed into the corner the finish was awkward la night looked pissed i don't know if he was in on it or not i don't know he probably i oh that part was so well done yeah all of it was like what are you talking about here that was that was the one night the night of the saturday night's main event was the night when i thought oh is it or is it not but then as time went on i went oh i guess it was and i just moved on with my life it was so it was so la night just paint pin seth rollins clean like i was like nah that's not what wow okay it's like that when you when you watch an actor in a show pretend to be a bad actor you're just like oh actually they're really great because they look like this looks like they cannot act like they that's what they did that night and you don't expect professional wrestlers be able to pull it off like they they it was flawless it was well listen so yeah you heard a rumor that disputed it but it wasn't wrestling knowledge that led you to that well remember also seth is a guy too who has i talked recently about nuance and having it he is a guy who has the nuance who is able to do the little things and pull things off and I just thought it was crazy for people to kind of like kill a crazy awesome moment I'm looking forward to seeing Unreal talk about it dip I'm going to give you the floor here so you don't forget about something you're excited about the three stages of hell complaint the first stage of hell being a regular wrestling match is not hell okay in fact wrestling is great yeah I cannot tell you with a straight face that a stage of hell is a wrestling match.

53:29Before you continue, can I just say, I was prepared to argue against that and defend the singles match, but the way you said it, the first stage of hell being a wrestling match is not hell. I can't fuck with that. You can't. All right, we got, we bing, ding, ding. You beat Greg, you got to win. Not even already back. Wow, it takes a lot for us to truly agree. No, I can't mess with that. But even even. OK, let me just say like like I thought it was going to get better as it went on. And then but then like Falls Count Anywhere. I mean, I could see a Falls Count Anywhere match on a on a on a Rampage episode.

54:07OK. And then you got the third one is a classic. Now you have to call the cage match a classic cage match because everyone's expecting a hell in a cell. It's like when Coke went Coke classic. Guys I mean I'm not saying we need like An Inferno match I would have liked an Inferno match And we don't need To be a macabre character For an Inferno It's usually macabre A non-macabre Inferno match And then why don't we do a For stage 2 We do a What's it called The You know the big yellow thing The great Kali thing The Punjabi prison You want all of them The first stage for you I feel like To really make this match Something To dipify it if you will The first stage should have been A first blood match Now that should be the third stage Why wait Then they got blood the whole way You're right what am I saying Good point Gregory First blood is made First blood is a good first stage of hell.

55:24Then you get a funky one, like a steel cage or an inferno. And then what about you end with I quit? Final thing is I quit. Yes, these is hell to me. Now we're getting to hell. What about weapons? Just a simple weapon. Just throw a bunch of brown eggs in there. That's hell. Well, that's the thing. Because all of these matches are no DQ. Weapons. What would be my three stages of hell? Oh, I got it. Here are Dipp's three stages of hell. stage one turbulence turbulence stage two going to a restaurant of a kind of food he's not into okay stage three what there's so many things that you stage three having to walk far and alligator on a pole match a swap match a swap match me and skinner the pole alligator off the pole there by the way there are so many things by the way i don't even talk about my we'll do that when you get back you want to get to the omakase uh we can do it when we is that a stage of hell it's a stage of hell omakase is a stage of hell when they give you when they give you morsels of food every 10 minutes here's my here's my here's my stages of hell um going somewhere where dip is in control of the directions that's the first stage of hell oh number two number two being with dip when he's really hungry and needs to like move that that's a nightmare what does that mean you know like when you're starting to get agita or what's the jewish word you use for it again spilkis yeah when he's got spilkis and he just starts getting up like i'm in the middle of doing something he starts getting up and pacing around me and has to go all of a sudden this guy who you couldn't get to go to the gym on a bet he's got to get his energy out he wants to go to the racetrack i want to hear about your omakaze experience i think it's very important we should get to that when we get back and i want to hear from the people in this last segment would you like to see true mcintyre beat cody roads and for those of you hearing the repeat you already know the result but i'm still curious heading into this would you like to see drew mcintyre with the title going into royal rumble season we'll take your calls 877-344-4893 And before I forget, because I seem to keep forgetting, the main thing I wanted to say about Dynamite this week was I wanted to give props to Willow Nightingale.

57:43I thought they did a title celebration segment, which is such an easy segment to have as a dud, like anywhere with anyone. I had never seen. Well, I had. That's not true. I've only seen Willow Nightingale cutting a promo in the ring, like in an interview style promo a few times. But SGG, she was so damn good in that spot, like with a mic in her hand, having fun, talking-ish. And then I got to give credit. Get ready. I am giving credit to Mercedes Monet in a promo spot. What? She came out with a white veil on, like she was at a funeral. And when she took it off, her hair was a mess. Like she looked like a disaster and then fell face first into the cake.

58:32And the segment ended with Mercedes covered in – this is a great angle for someone who, like, so comes off as an annoying heel. I had never seen SGG that sort of heel moment for her where she looks like – you know when the completely hateable heel also then turns into a joke in front of everybody? Like, it's such a classic old-school wrestling moment. It was really fun to see Mercedes in that spot. And I thought she did a great job. And the juxtaposition of seeing Nightingale, awesome on the mic, Harley Cameron, who's just Harley Cameron, and then Statlander. It was a really, really great segment.

59:14So I wanted to give props there. And that's not just to get the annoying AEW people off my back because I know I can't get them off my back. Your call is next. 877-344-4893. More Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. Vitamin C drops from Halls. A day's supply of vitamin C, an original citrus, and new great-tasting berry flavors. Vitamin C, that's hassle-free. Dip, I think as everyone sits here towards the end of the show, everyone just wants to know, what was your experience with omakase? I'm not even talking about this specific experience.

59:47With these omakases, they're a fortune of money beyond imagination. And I'm not saying the food wasn't good, but you can't give people – I don't know these people that enjoy getting morsels of food. One bite of food every 10 minutes. Just give me the whole plate at the same time and I'll choose what I want to try. OK, and I'll space it out however I want. A piece of they were calling it like the entree. OK, there's a sushi amikase, but there was beef. There was meat, too. They bring out this piece of beef. It's one bite. One bite of beef was the entree. Called I take it with. Yes, I take it with my fork.

1:00:27I eat it in one bite because any normal person sees that amount of beef cheek and says, this is one bite of food. But I look to my left. I'm sitting at the end. I see these people cutting it into little tiny morsels. Oh, yeah. They're cutting it into morsels. They were cutting it into morsels? They're pretending like it was multiple bites. It was one bite. No, I completely agree. So overall, do you think omakase is a complete racket or where are you at with it? I think it's a racket. I'm going. I err on the side of racket. S-U-G, where are you? The way Dip is describing it, I have to agree with him.

1:01:01Like, what are you doing here? It's crazy. And then – It's expensive. I feel that way about the whole like Michelin star experience where it's like, oh, these chefs, they create these experiences and molecular gastronomy. You have to – I like that. It's a fortune. And then they hand you these plates where it's like – Give me more food. I want a meal. I want a feast. everyone says, oh, don't worry, you're going to be full at the end. And by the time they said it was the last course, I'm hoping the last course was a slice of pizza. I know. Have you ever been full from Omikaze? Never. I've had an occasion where I've actually, like, started to feel full.

1:01:46But it's hard. Come on. No, I swear. I've been full from Omikaze before. You've never been full from Omikaze. It's happened. It's not common. I don't know. They're explaining the farms that this sugar, the sugar fish omakase situation. In my neighborhood. Yeah. Or now my old neighborhood. This is the highest level, though. This was 50 ,000 times more. This was the highest level. Oh, this is this Michelin star. So, so, so I got to meet this Michelin. First of all, I got to meet. I got to meet the Michelin guy. I think it's the Michelin man. It's the Michelin man. He's he does tires and very expensive food.

1:02:20It's unbelievable. This guy's ambit. He's those. That's a racket right there. no no it really is the same though no yes it is yes it is that and that's the right i made that up michelin star the michelin star is the michelin tires it's all the same yeah this is some the michelin star was a gimmick to sell tires they wanted people to people weren't driving enough so they said you need to go to these restaurants and check i think that part he's making up i think that part's actually true what they wanted to they weren't selling enough tires so they came up with the star rating system to get people to try restaurants and drive around and run down their tires so they could go back.

1:02:58I guess I got to go to the Wikipedia page of Michelin stars. No, you don't. She just gave it to you. Thank you guys real quick. We have a big episode of the Smackdown tonight. Should we watch together after we after I do 19 wrestling shows? That's like I don't know how much how much Rosenberg can I get? Can I have in my life? It's the fourth stage of hell. he's by the way he's getting back at me and this is what makes dip such a bad guy he literally said to me the commercial break he goes this is a good bit on the live reads you can always bully me so what do i do i bully him in the next live read and then what does he do he bullies me back yeah he set up the bull you give i gave you a receipt yeah by the way this is why it was it was a receipt dip would never work as a pro wrestler because you can't go hey you know what'd be a really great line is if you said blah blah blah in the promo and then the guy's like alright cool and he says the line and then that guy just goes worse but didn't warn you about it that's not how this goes but I'm good at giving you receipts a big CVS receipt no he's gonna keep you receipts too folks follow us Cheap Heat Pod on Instagram we appreciate you guys so much make sure you subscribe to Cheap Heat wherever you find it have a wonderful weekend stay mage and S-U-G dip enjoy yourselves yeah yeah stay mage please It's easy, man.

1:04:16Thanks, guys. Make your new boy slam!