Summerslam 2025 Superstar Special

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out to that guy. The major sneak. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The major king. 24 seconds. I will even pretend. Confirm. Not mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself.

0:27it's Jeep Heat with Peter Rosenberg featuring Stat Guy Greg and Dip oh ladies and gentlemen Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 the party rolls on as we get Summer Slam weekend kicked off I'm here in the beautiful state and I say that completely sarcastically of New Jersey I'm your forever 24-7 champion Peter Rosenberg Stat Guy Greg is here that was You've got to be in New Jersey all weekend. I'm in New Jersey all the time. I spend regular time in New Jersey. Listen, I'm not going to tell them it's not Repug. There are beautiful parts. We're in beautiful Short Hills, New Jersey right now. It's beautiful.

1:04I might go to the mall later, get myself a little Panda Express. I don't know what I'm going to do, but it's still New Jersey. Dip is here. I'm told Emilio Sparks is going to be here. Yeah, he's on the way. Everyone is here. Busted open. Just did a great show. Shout out to those guys. Out of the gate, though, man. I'm talking about starting off with a bang. We got a guy. He's got a steel cage match this weekend against Solo Sokoa. You know what I mean? My guy, Jacob Fatouk is on TV. Let's go. Come on, baby. Hey, first of all, man, I think we done made it, baby, because I'm on the show now. So let's start right there.

1:42When I met you, like the second I saw you, you were like, yo, we got to flick it up. You're like, you pay attention to what's going on. so like is that is that from a wrestling standpoint have you always been paying attention to the podcast all the things that's out there you're really in on this ish well yeah well I didn't have a job back then so I wouldn't do a number watching YouTube but now overall man I've been a fan I mean not only that like it's the love of professional wrestling that's why I tapped in with you you know we all do certain things but I say this all the time about professional wrestling it brings different cultures different backgrounds I mean look it we're all here because of professional wrestling.

2:18And not only that, it saved my life, but I'm definitely tapped in those. Yo, so this is a from birth thing for you. But I was just looking up the timeline. Your dad was one half of the Islanders. Come on with it. Yo, with the Haku, which is Tonga Loa, Tama Tonga, and Tala Tonga's father, Haku. My father, his name was actually Tama 2 as an Islander. He's Tama also, right? What's the name you say for your dad? If you were to say your dad's wrestling name, you go with Tama? No, I go Tonga Kid. Go Tonga Kid. Yeah, yeah, definitely Tonga Kid. But if they talk about tag team, a lot of people actually know about the Islanders as well.

3:00Because what? Man, they was wrestling and tussling with the greats, the Heart Foundation, Killer Bees. The British Bulldogs. Matter of fact, Haku and my father actually took Matilda. You know what I mean? And not only that, they was with the great Bobby the Brain Hingon. Oh, they were. You know what I mean? So it didn't get no better than that. But when I looked at the timeline, though, you came along later. Yeah. Your dad's main wrestling career in WCW and WWE was over by the time you came, right? Yeah, I came towards the end. I was right at the end, man. Was he still doing indies? He was doing indies.

3:39Matter of fact, this is how I got into it. And, you know, I'm glad we spoke and were speaking about this because the lucha doors, the Mexican lucha style has such a big influence on me. I started watching that when my dad was going through the independence and then he was as Nico Zuna in Triple A. This one he was working against Better Wild. Rest in peace. The great Conan, you know, psychosis. So, you know, growing up, I will always see the Mexican lucha culture. and obviously you guys know I like to beat Jeff Hardy back with swontas like that shout out to the luchador man shout out to the Mexican culture of wrestling man the luchadors man they have a very big part of my moveset and actually why I love wrestling man speaking of keeping it in the family do your kids how do they feel about wrestling have you been like anybody with a spark that might maybe jump in the ring later you know I got seven kids to be exact man I got four boys three girls oh baby I'm all in the game like EA Sports yeah I mean but um it's my girls my boys enjoy it one of my sons man he's just passionate about it but my my two youngest girls man they never used to watch me on the independence you know but they start watching me once daddy came and got a job at WWE you know but man they're so heavy involved with the story lines you know and I know this thing with me and solo got going on you know it that's how much of a bigger effect than how much my girls are really in tune with it.

5:10Hey, Dad, can we go hang out with the kids over there, Uncle Solo? You know what I mean? But definitely my girls. What do you say when they ask that, though? And I tell them, go ask your mama. Hey, hey, hey. Don't ask me. Yeah, you know what's going on with me. You know what's going on with me on this side? You know where I'm standing on business? How did this part unfold? Because it felt like we'd heard your name, everyone knew you were out there, and then all of a sudden one day you're here and it ignited like wildfire what were the weeks months just before it happened like for you oh man and did you know it was about to happen man you're gonna give me emotional dog it was a it was a ride um what shit man um well four sorry man because that was really the grind it was four months four or five months before i actually popped up on tv um a lot of people thought I was out of my contract, you know, with MLW, uh, 26 or 25, I was done at 24, but I kept it low because I knew I never asked my cousins for a handout.

6:18They knew what I was doing. I just played my role and I just always had faith and believe in God. And were they telling you, were they saying, Hey, no, they, they never, you didn't even have a conversation. We could cause my back, you know, when I was 18, I got what? Two 11 robbery and I'm from California. How long were you knocked for? I was down. So I was always doing county years. It was only a year here, a year there, six months. I mean, because I was always by the way, just imagine how many kids he'd have if he didn't have those years away. But man, the process, it was once everything came about and man, shout out to WWE.

6:53Shout out for Hunter. You know, Triple H giving me a chance. Shout out to the legal team. Shout out to the people who made this happen for me to get here legally. Man, WWE blessed me, took care of everything. And, you know, they took a chance with me, not knowing, you know, not knowing. It was just mind-blowing. I never asked my cousins for a handle because they was doing Bloodline. Bro, they's the hottest thing ever. How can I even ask them for something when they're so busy? They had house shows that day. You know what I mean? They had house shows around that time. So they're on the road Thursday, Friday, TV, house show Saturday, Sunday, TV Monday.

7:32And they were fucking. And they was on everything. They was on everything smoking. So it was more motivating for me watching them because I'm a fan of my brothers. They probably don't like when I say this, but I love them. Man, I'm such a fan of their work. I felt what they was doing as a fan. You know what I mean? Like, man, it was, I'm getting goosebumps because I didn't watch them. Oh, man, them was my cousins. Man, it was real motivating for me. and not only that because they was hot i always had a job on the independence you know because bloodline y 'all mean it's struggling down and they helped me save book because what they were doing up here okay the independence we can't get them okay we're gonna get the closest thing jacob five tools you know and it wasn't no character like they really got what they getting with jay and big jim muso this is just us turned up all the way so what did it mean to you to be able you said because you said the bloodline was the hottest thing smoking but You carried the flag under the bloodline banner.

8:28Let's be real, it was the bloodline. But what did that mean for you to be able to take the torch and just reinvent it and put your own spin on it? Man, so I didn't know Tama was coming. And not only that, we're talking about Tama and them coming. New Japan, man, that thing was unheard of. Tonga Loa been here before. Now they got Tyler Tonga, you know. But with Solo, and I know we're going through this. I know we're going through this right now, me and Solo. I mean, I can't. I'm not going to sit here and fake the punk, but let's be real, man. Solo really turned around and he really stood on business for him not being able to speak.

9:07And then from him coming, leaving Roman and to doing his own thing. I mean, he elevated us. Then you brought in. Then you brought in Toma Tonga, a workhorse, man. Big brother got to work. Then you got Tonga lower. You know, I mean, and I ain't gonna lie. it was a part of me I was like damn do I still got a job over there I'm like damn I didn't know anybody was coming but then you know you brought me in so wait so you so you knew you were coming but it wasn't done yet no it was no I didn't know I was coming I it literally just got a call you know I mean it got a call said hey man you know what do you need what can we do who's the first phone call from man it was from uh Paul Heyman okay it was from Paul you know I mean but Mr.

9:52William Regal would text me throughout the years, through the email, like, hey, man, let us know what's going on. But Paul, Mr. Heyman, always been tapped in. Our father and them, Rikishi and the great Samu, the small SWAT team, they started with Heyman back in. It wasn't like Paul Heyman just been around Roman and now he's, no, Paul Heyman's really been around the family. And his mind, man, i was probably the only ones that popped up on the smackdown so you get here and here's the part that's crazy i was at the saturday night's main event where you had the singles match oh well brawn yeah and at that moment i remember you got you got you were you had just started to set the mic on fire yeah and i'm like oh wait a second remember we had the conversation afterwards for people who hadn't followed you on mlw and didn't know your history yeah you were just this awesome visual thing right like this dude shows up and he's so charismatic yeah are there layers to it then you started talking man were you surprised at how things unfolded and that it was so on fire or like did you really think it would be no hey i'm it's crazy i got goosebumps underneath this nike tech outfit when you said that because i didn't expect for anything listen I just grew up just to play my position, play my role, and do my thing.

11:18I never tried to overstep on anybody or nothing. Talking was my weakest point. You know what I mean? It's great. Check this out. Because on the indies, you know, we get away with cussing. So I wasn't comfortable in talking. I was not at all. Then they started letting me speak. And I remember Tama telling me, man, just talk like yourself. Be yourself. And he was like, some of that stuff you're saying, ain't nobody saying your slang. where you from you know where you're from and so man i shout out to uh triple h and then it started off small it started off a couple lines a couple here a couple there but man bro um solo's actually been a big help though too i mean all my promos as well solo everything you see me and solo doing you know where he's he's been more than a help you know if you ever watched you happen to watch the i did the first interview with solo when he came up to the roster no no he's you should watch he's sitting like at a kitchen counter if you see the way that guy talked in that interview he's the most meek he's like just so quiet he's really quiet though watch how he explodes on camera have you been taken aback by that at all he's a comedian so it's that's what I said shout out to him because he's found that You know what I mean?

12:41It wasn't just, oh, go back into it. No, he's actually found that. You know what I mean? And I learned a lot off of it. But Tama and Solo, especially when Solo was out and me and Tama was running, and, you know, they was letting me cut those promos from walking back to the ring. You know, I was just saying, you know, just I was just saying what felt comfortable. But I was being me. But not only that, Saturday Night's Main Event in San Antonio. I tell people this all the time. That's where the 5-2 champion. So they was doing it on the Indies. but man when I heard it that night man I think Bubba and them spoke on it it was different and you know I'm not going to sit here and act like I got here all by myself like I'm going to keep it 100 shout out to everybody who I've worked at WWE you know DYI you know Johnny Gargano you know Tomasso you know Cody Randy KO every big Roman LA Knight man the whole roster at WWE We, man, shout out to him, though, you know, for doing business, for looking out, for helping me, for Brian, big Brian.

13:44I mean, Strowman, man, looked out. He made you look great. He made, bro. He and he don't and he don't take nothing from nobody. I mean, he's about his business and he and he know what he's talking about. But, man, it took a monster to build another monster. You know what I mean? So and I'm not I'm not taking none of this for granted. I'm very thankful for all my coworkers who I work with. Shout out to them, but also, I mean, they got to have a target on their back, right? Because, like, you're in the United States Championship match tomorrow, but I personally don't think that that's the last stop for you.

14:15I feel like world titles are on the table. You know, Hall of Fame rings are on the table. Right on. I appreciate that. I really do, man. It's just a stepping stone, you know, and it just came back what U said. Like, I didn't expect for this to happen. It just happened organically. But this goes back to me just being myself. I mean, there's no other way. like when you see Jacob Fatu, like, man, you getting Jacob Fatu, you know, Jacob Fatu turns off at the door with my wife and my kids, you know, I'm just dad or Jake or Oose, you know what I mean? How big is, but, but how big is the difference between even in the house, Jacob?

14:49Oh yeah. Well, you know, man, when my kids ain't, I'm not saying I'll be back with all my kids, but you know, Jacob, Jacob is, uh, it's, it's a lot of difference. So, you know, you get Jake, get dad man you don't get um you know i put my phone down you know i gotta really be in tune now because now we're on the road a lot to where you know and my kids are getting older and now every week it ain't like the independence where we could pick and choose all right well i'll stay home for two weeks i'll stay booked uh you know for the next three weeks i mean it ain't like we have choices no it's every week i'm out every week right or wrong you know uh what you get to be like big roman man come on and now i'm gonna go home for three months hey come on but until you get there.

15:32Yeah. I mean, which is I'm not complaining. All right. I'm very thankful. I'm very thankful I have a job now. Very, very thankful. All right. Don't go to later on now. But when you're home, you got to be locked in. Yeah. I'm locked in because, you know, man, my wife left me at home one day with the kids, you know, because she deserves a break, too. Yeah. I mean, she man, I told her, I said, man, how do you do it? She was like, you sound stressed out. I was like, well, I'm not. How many kids are in the house? I got My two oldest are grown. I got five of them. Five and a half. Yeah, I got five. And then we're about to double back on school.

16:05So, you know, my kids, they're very locked in. But, man, we're out there in Florida now. Man, they love Florida out there. We all grew up in California. That's different. That's a very different vibe. A very different mood. But, man, my kids are happy during Christmas time in Florida. It's not cold. They said we could go swimming on Christmas. You can. You touched on something that I do want to circle back to, though. You mentioned when you go home, you have to turn it down, be a little subdued but when you're in the ring it goes up. So what does that mean for Saturday? Because you sound like you still have a lot of love for Solo but at the end of the day you are still in a steel cage.

16:42Well yeah. So what does that mean for Saturday? I mean at the end of the day man it's family. If you don't fight with your family man you ain't family. I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm over. I'm not going to sit like what Michael Hayes says. When you're over, when you think you're over, you're not over. You know what I mean? But Solo's done a lot. Like in those promos, he is right. Like he has helped me out. You know, there has been times where before I got to WWE, you know, I didn't care about none but myself. I did it, you know, until, man, you know, until we regroup. But at the end of the day, the disrespect is just everything.

17:18I'm happy to do it with my family as such a big PLE, you know, but I got to, I'm not going to sit here and just talk down on them. I got to put them up because it's the truth about everything. That doesn't mean you don't have to put up hands and feet. Yeah. Well, all can be true. Hey, well, simply a kendo stick. Maybe a table still. Maybe some barbed wires. Yeah. I mean, or maybe come out like new Jack with the trash. I mean, yo, if I know this is not very common in the world that we live in anymore. But if you got to the building tomorrow and they told you there was going to be color. Yeah. Like, would you be would you be hyped for that?

17:55Oh, it is what it is. I mean, this is the thing that just all this comes apart of the game. I mean, from from color, from from fans talking bad on you, from the Internet, from it. Man, I knew what this was, because when I was outside, I was already learning from everything. Like all my family members, my father, my uncle and them. Yeah, they had jobs here. Yeah, they have got released. Yeah. Some of my dad got fired. But it's all learning situations for me. What to do, what not to do. So I think I got the upper hand on everything because, OK, OK, you know what? My dad didn't pay his taxes. All right.

18:29OK, pay your taxes, Jacob. Like you miss the show, you get fired. OK, don't miss the show. You know what I mean? OK. So the next question then, you seem so on point. You seem so filled with gratitude. What was going on in your life and in your head that you were making the mistakes that got you locked up? Was it just desperation or was there a different mindset in terms of your whole nother mindset? I mean, wrestling was even out the picture. I mean 18 what we we not man we I have great parents we come from a great family but man you know man you running around in the streets all that time on your hands you eventually gonna get caught up but it was a whole nother mindset I wasn't thinking about nobody but myself I was just trying to just do my thug fizzle and get on you know I ain't tripping on nobody but man once 18 what was the thing that that that made you go I just No, it was going, it was being locked up in jail that first time going over there, man.

19:26You can't, you don't get no privacy over there. You know, you don't, you know, you're not allowed to close the door, use the bathroom by yourself. Man, it's six, there's 12 toilets and they're not even, they're facing each other. Man, it was awkward, man. Sitting down, how did it use the bathroom? Looking at another grown man. Yeah. Then you got to go and I mean, they, they, they tell you when you can eat, when you can sleep, Hey, go to sleep. Or even when your family come visit you, like that was the worst man. seeing my parents come visit me in that thing like man what the hell your mom and your you and but they love me so much right to where man they came that man man my mom put her uh man she put up her van man just to build me up you know i mean so now it's like you know whatever she needs i mean sorry man don't want me to get emotional no please that's not real that's different that's why when y 'all see me here i'm so i'm so thankful i'm here because i know what it could have been man my kids could have grew up with no dad you know what I mean but man I'm here and my wife though too man I was locked up man if you don't got nobody outside when you go to jail you're not getting commissary you're not getting money on your books you gotta get no phone calls you know even if you do get locked up with a credit card you can't tell the police well use my credit card they don't give a damn about that so you have to have someone out there just caring for you yeah so it made my time go easier not only that that's why I knew my wife was the one you know what I mean like damn bro she's taking care of me.

20:46I'm what the hell am I doing? I'm supposed to be out there taking care of her and my kids. How many, how many kids did you already have? But I, what I, uh, I had Papa. I had two at the time and I named one of my sons. I named one of my sons while I was in jail. You know what I mean? Wow. And it sucked because I couldn't be there. You know what I mean? But the double back on that, man, it feel good to come up with somebody who was there in the gutter with me grinding. So when they say, congratulations, Jacob, five to you deserve it. Nah, bro. that woman to put a man my wife and god done put a whole lot of hard work into this you know man you know still moving around here it is it's what's been the first of all i've talked to over the many years i've been doing this i have talked to so many people about jail i don't know that i've ever heard anyone honestly drop the word awkward as appropriately as you did like conversations i've had it nobody was like yo it's mad awkward yeah it was so brutally honest about like, oh, and it's I mean, I mean, I had, you know, they had softball teams, tournaments, and I remember we won the tournament.

21:47We're taking a picture. I'm like, man, we're still in jail. What is this? Like, they're like, you guys are number one for Sacramento Recreation Center. We're taking a picture and I'm like, man, get back in the jail. Oh, yeah. And then I had the nerve to hang up the picture on my fridge when I got out. I'm like, my wife, man, my wife was like, take that shit. Take that down. You sent us the picture, though? Oh, man, bro. And it's funny. We had a pitcher. He was the Mexican Uso. His name was Beto. He always used to, like, hook up, like, all our spreads, though, bro. And it was just so funny, bro.

22:21And I was out there. Hey, but check this out. I'm really playing, though. I'm trying to catch the ball. I was like a infielder. No, I couldn't do the pitch, and I couldn't do infield. You know what I mean? But, man, yeah, so overall. Have you taken any moments yet since, like, Like, you know, because this is still relatively new. Yeah. Like, I'm still so fresh in the game. You're fresh in the game. You were making your indie money. But these these every two weeks, that thing that's hitting the bank account. Have you gotten a chance yet? Because in all seriousness, you've been busy. Have you had a chance yet to, like, take that trip with the wife yet where you all stay at a five star hotel?

22:58And you're like, I want to give you like, have you got that yet? Check this out. I'll try to do it. I mean, she don't even want to. She wants to save it all. I mean, like she happy what we got going on. As long as her kids is taken care of, as long as she's just happy, bruh. It was a big step, though, for us moving out here. She knew what time it was. I got her a car, though, recently. My very first big purchase was just getting my wife a car. You know what I mean? I feel like she loves me more on paydays than any other day. Yeah. I'm like, damn, you in a good mood today. I must have got paid.

23:38One more nerdy wrestling question for you. You are the quintessential big but athletic dude. Yeah. There's always that conversation about where you draw the line of how athletic you should be. Because if you get in there and you start doing too much, you're going to walk into a room and Mark Henry or someone's going to pull you aside. How are you getting up there and doing all that shit? Come on. Stay down there. Where do you draw the line on how much you should be climbing the top rope versus just showing how physically imposing you should be? Man, you know what it is. I can't even call it because I remember my trainer.

24:13So my trainers is Gangrel, Rikishi, my father, the Tonga kid, my uncle, Reno on the White, the Black Pearls. I remember Gangrel was telling me, hey, man, you don't need to be doing all that, man. You know what I mean? He told me, all right, you keep doing it. Now I'm feeling it now. You know what I mean? I was like, but I'm such a fan of the luchas, the high flying Jeff Hardy to where for me, it's kind of hard for me to like, I mean, I'm not saying I won't just start a match off jumping out the ring and doing a bandera or anything like that. But for me, it's different, though. I just ain't no line.

24:49You want to know my hot take? Yeah. If you're going to do the high flying stuff, the moonsaults, all this stuff like that looks crazy. That's awesome. Seeing someone who looks like you moonsault wild. the biggest waste for me in pro wrestling right now that's way more risk than reward yeah is a basic dive oh yeah the dive that's why i call it the flying push yeah it looks like a flying push yeah why you gotta jump and just push yeah when brett did it in 1988 we went oh my god before now now all i'm waiting for someone to do is catch their feet on the second rope and fall down when you land it perfect it doesn't look that great yeah he said that he said what'd you say the invisible push.

25:25No, the flying push. Yay! Oh, great. I'll start calling it, and then go out there. I'll hit you with the flying push. Yeah, all right. Yeah. All right, they're telling us you got more stuff to go do. This was such a treat. Good luck against Solo Sokoa. Steel cage match at SummerSlam. We wish you the best. United States Championship on the line. You are always welcome here, my brother. I appreciate y 'all, man. Thank y 'all for having me. Yo, Jacob Fatu. That's what I mean. All gas, no brakes. We got more guests on the way. You don't want to go anywhere. It's GP Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7.

26:24idol, America's public enemy number one, the respect abandoned, the legacy bludgeoned and spat upon by a society he feels condones defiance and perpetuates hate. If life were fair, then this mighty champion, this survivor of deception and conqueror of all earthly hells, would surely revel in the championship spotlight. The bright lights wouldn't singe his aura, illuminating a dark, horrifying secret from a distant past. And if life were fair, then this man might still be champion, dancing, flying, showcasing his extraordinary talents to legions of fans. He wouldn't be an athlete betrayed by an unwilling knee, a man surrendering a boyhood dream to search for the lost smile of you.

27:16Is it fair that tonight, even in victory, this champion will be haunted by personal demons whose voices cry out from the dark? Is it fair that tonight this man may rewrite history, yet still incur the wrath of a hostile and unappreciative nation? And is it fair that tonight's special referee is a despised enemy of the challenger? will vengeance flow ruin us from his biased heart ensuring that tonight will be the last night Bret Hart ever wrestles in this country again life isn't fair but whoever said it would be no pressure to our next guest but Jacob Fattu brought it he brought it something that he didn't bring you guys are walking in here with gold and that is the voices representing the judgment day of course Raquel Rodriguez Roxanne Perez and your match is tomorrow night one for the championship, defending this tag championship against Charlotte and Alexa.

28:15Hi, how are you guys? Great. You both did really good. Fantastic. This is exciting. The last time I talked to both of you, this whole relationship didn't exist. None of this was happening. Last time I talked to you, Roxanne, you were in a completely different world. NXT had just become a reality for you. So I'll start with you. How crazy has this all been? And like as fast as NXT moved for you, are you surprised at how quickly the main roster, quote unquote, has sort of exploded for Roxanne Perez? Yeah, maybe not, you know, because I feel like this is what I always wanted. You know, I always wanted it to be busy.

28:55I always wanted to be a part of Raw and to just be doing really cool things. And I feel like that's what I'm doing right now. You know, ever since I got to the main roster, it's been go, go, go. This is crazy. I mean, let's just stop for a second. Okay. Like, let's just stop. You were a kid. The very polished. Yeah. No, but cause I, I keep thinking about it because like, and I thought, think about this with Jacob too, but his path just took longer to, to getting here. You were literally like a kid. Your mom was driving you to shows. You were the only kid at the shows and Booker and Charmel take you under your, their wing is like literally a child.

29:29And then just out of childhood, essentially you're getting thrown into these opportunities and like literally it's all happening are you still in a pinch me phase or have you now fully settled into like no this is life it's normal I'm used to it uh I don't think it'll ever be normal for me I think to this day I still have pinch me moments and I feel like it's never gonna stop because it is what I always wanted to do and it's always it's everything that I always worked for um but yeah when I say that like uh i'm not too surprised by all of it is because i've literally dedicated my entire life to to doing this and being here and having all this come into fruition so like i feel like i always envisioned myself here so now that i'm doing it it's just like yeah this is what i've worked for since i was like freaking 13 and how old last pinch me moment that you had um i think my last pinch me moment was that evolution or actually honestly like on the way over here on the flight like i was just like this is my first summer slam like i'm gonna be in summer sand you're defending a title yeah as a tag team champion and i'm walking out as a tag team champion right beautifully and how and how old are you now 23 23 yeah so when you say 13 it's 10 years she's so young i know and listen you're a spring chicken still but she's a baby i mean i mean 23 is crazy now raquel you've had a very different journey yes and the last few years have been filled with ups and downs i think the the sneaky thing that's not being talked about enough is that you are one of the biggest traders in all of wc i mean literally the last time i saw you in in human life you were palling around best buds with like the blonde version of this person like another tiny she was carrying the same thing around i have a type can you blame so you're the tall girl you like always having a short little best friend with you like you know i would call her my short kings but they're my short short queen love short my short you love your short queen look we can't compare the two all right you know and live and i are still tied to the hip i feel like i still lost my right arm because that girl has been through so much with me she's helped boost my confidence in ways that nobody else has so when you were really figuring out coming back from your health issues yeah and i'm going to speak about it delicately only because I've only talked to you about it.

31:52I don't remember what you say out loud versus what you have in conversation, but like it required dietary changes, all the different ways that you've like lived your life. She was with you on that journey, right? It's been a trial and error because I don't know what was making me react. And there was moments on the road or like at WrestleMania where I was flaring up and I'm like, I don't know what I ate. I don't know what I did. And all of a sudden I'm red and I feel really like scared to like be out there and show this to the world. So I would put hats on and glasses, but Liv just constantly boosted my ego up.

32:20She'd be like, no girl, you're beautiful. You got to own it. You got to go out there. You got to do it. And so like having her see me through those trials and be there with me, we have a connection that's, that's completely different to anyone else that's on the roster. And I have a great connection with Roxanne too. We have a lot of history together, but they're two completely different short Queens. And so I just want to make that very clear. I love them both differently. Now you, you, you guys, uh, correct me if I'm wrong. Do you have a, uh, one bit of closeness that you don't share with live, which is language.

32:49you guys can you guys can flip the script anytime you want to yeah how often do you guys go espanol to keep things on the low oh my god i just did it to her earlier we were signing photos and i was telling her something in spanish because i knew the two people that were engaged you're like i don't know this is something i shouldn't say out loud so i'm going to tell her in spanish because i know she knows what i'm saying but that is it is that like from a camaraderie standpoint that's a pretty cool thing to have with someone at work right it's not just the language but we both come from the same part of Texas.

33:16We're both border girls. She's Laredo. I'm a little bit more closer to the Gulf being the lower Rio Grande Valley, which was like Harlingen, McAllen. And so we share a lot of our culture, a lot of our like family just ties and stuff like that. It feels like we've known each other all of our lives, which I was there when she kind of started her career. And she was there for the beginning of mine because we had such different ways that we were getting in there. You know, she started at a young age and had that support from her mom, whereas my dad wanted me to go to school and play basketball and get a degree.

33:43and as much as I wanted to start wrestling right away, I had to do that because that was the way that my path was just going to go. And so it's just really cool to see where she's at now. And to know that we kind of have those little moments of history that shared together. How big is Selena in each of your households? Oh, huge. Honestly, I don't even know if she was born when you were born. Oh, no. See, I have a story. My mom went to Selena's concert with me in her belly. And also when Selena died, my dad was coming off the road from wrestling. And he said, And I walked into the house and you, your sister and your mother were just crying because you just found out Selena had passed away.

34:17So you do have a connection to Selena, even though you were quite young. Yeah, yeah. I was like three or four years old. You know what I mean? But funny. I loved her. I loved her so much. So Selena, obviously, in any sort of like Tejano household or whatever, as you said, border towns, et cetera. Selena is obviously going to be a huge deal. But like for me, I literally could not name a Selena song with a gun to my head. I mean, respectfully. Which song celebrated the 30th birthday? Did you even see it? Did you even see it? I literally, I've seen like half the movie because my wife's family and my wife's family is Israeli.

34:55They don't speak Spanish, but growing up as a kid, they were blasting Selena in the car all the time. Selena didn't get that much mainstream love like that when I was a kid. I swear to you, she was just starting to get me and she just released her bilingual album right she passed away so she was literally on the verge of like it was like he was a name but like for me like speaking as like white guy from the suburbs in maryland her death was what made me really know her sadly and then like obviously afterwards the j-lo movie comes out and she becomes like this huge cultural phenomenon but i just i i find it interesting um the bond that you guys get to share about all these things now roxanne the the rumble was crazy um what was that when you found out that you were going on like a a run in the rumble what was that were you surprised how exciting was it how how challenging is a royal rumble take take us through it yeah um I was very surprised uh you know usually they'll sit us down and all of us will be there and they'll go down the line of what number you are and who's getting eliminated and I was like all right I'm not getting eliminated yet okay I'm still not getting eliminated and then it was like okay your last two was charlotte flair and i was like oh okay yeah hell yeah like this is what i've been working towards um and i was number three so i had to outlast an hour and hour and two minutes like an hour and seven minutes i actually became the uh longest the longest run in a women's rumble ever yeah so um yeah it's intense it is tiring because it's like you're in there for an hour it doesn't really feel like an hour but yeah it's it's insane um and then usually you're still kind of like trying to rehearse the match the day of so it's like you don't get a lot of time to get in makeup because there's 30 women on the card and like maybe eight makeup artists so uh literally when the match was about to start i was still in makeup and uh actually alba she came and she saw me that i was still trying to lace my boots but trying to get my makeup done at the same time so she started lacing my boots for me while i'm getting my makeup and hair finished and then i ran and it was like the first person was already out so i feel like i didn't have too much time to like okay i'm ready game time i'm going out there it was just like okay lock in like yeah like two minutes for you it's just it's funny because everyone obviously this week the unreal is a big conversation there's the show debuting and we haven't even gotten to it yet um to talk about it i finished the show but you one of the things they talk about is like you know they do the little they go over the importance of the royal rumble and they're they're going over these basic things that if you were an outsider you wouldn't know right and so it's another funny thing i realized as i asked you that it's funny to think about you'd explain to someone well it's not only a big deal to win the royal rumble but if you're like someone who has not had a big moment yet in wwe and you have a really long run in the rumble like for you you didn't win but like in some ways you might as well have like that was my take on the post show that night i was like oh my god roxanne lasted over an hour yeah like that in itself is very telling but like you don't get like no one sat you down beforehand and had to give you a conversation about it right it was just sort of like this is what's happening absolutely like you're you're going out there for however long your thing and they start i think i realized i I hit a record until I got out of the match.

38:19And I was like, oh, really? I did? And you found out that day that you were going to be basically the iron woman of the match. And you were going to go. It was the night before. The night before when we got to the muscles. Do you, Raquel, do you enjoy rumbles slash battle royals in general? Or do you find them a pain in the ass? What are your feelings? Just a pain in the ass. I believe. And you're in a very tough spot. Because whenever you're. And by the way, this is one of my favorite pet peeves about pro wrestling. is that anytime there's a battle royal, whether it's a men's or a women, if there's someone who's bigger in stature, a commentary has to be like, well, how are you possibly going?

38:57You can't eliminate them. They can eliminate it every single time. Yeah, I was like, we all target that person. But you know, my dad gave me a really good piece of advice in being a bigger guy and like working and being a worker as well. He always told me in the rumble, especially when you know, like, it's not a moment for you, you should just dead weight them. Dead weight every single person who tries to like lift you. I've done it to so many girls because they'll be like hey I'm gonna like pick you up but just fight it and I'm like yeah yeah yeah dead weight let me see you pick up 200 pounds right now there's no chance if you can really pull a 200 pounder over the top rope great good for you you deserve it that was that was the funniest thing I learned from a wrestler uh at some point along the line when I was asking about Royal Rumbles and they said well you're aware that if someone of any size doesn't want to go over they can't you're not getting them it doesn't matter if you're really strong or not you hold on to the rope and go dead weight like you're just not going up Yeah, you get it.

39:47You get it. So the Judgment Day thing, I thought we were really coming to the end there for a moment. It felt like things were waning a bit. Liv leaves and things, all this different stuff's happening, right? And also at some point, usually these things come to an end. Then Roxanne shows up and now, you know, respectfully, that lowlife, filthy piece of shit, Dominic Mysterio is doing Dominic things. um yeah whatever we're gonna come back to that whatever we're gonna come back to and and it seems like it seems like we have sort of new life here like Raquel like how much do you enjoy getting to work in this and are you at all like have did you expect at some point that it would maybe was gonna end sooner than it has honestly yeah I mean I felt it too you know what I mean we feel it just as much as every all the watchers at home are watching it and I think like it having this new relife and this revamp.

40:43And, um, it just goes to show how, uh, what's the evolving judgment day can be. You know what I mean? It started with people that are no longer even a part of judgment day. Dom is the most vetted person of judgment day. That's still in judgment day. And so to still have him and seeing him evolve and become this amazing champion and this amazing wrestler and icon that he is, um, seeing everything it's done for like live too and grown her star and stretched her star so far. Finn and JD killing it on the tag team division and now having Roxy here. I mean, we're ever evolving. It's ever changing. I think that's what makes the Judgment Day the Judgment Day.

41:17But I'm pretty excited to see what it takes next, for sure. So, Pete, I'm glad you brought up the Judgment Day because it's been all fun and games so far. But we're going to do some investigative journalism. Oh, this is what makes SGG. This is why he's on the show. Okay, this is what he brings. On May 19th, Dom posted a photo. and we're just going to break this photo down. If you guys are listening, it's on Dom's Instagram page from May 19th. It's this photo of this moment. Oh, wow. When Dom has presented some chicken nuggets, I believe by you, Roxanne. Yeah. Now, if you search the likes, we're going to get into that too.

41:54We're going to bring that up with Rhea because as you can see, she's right at the top. But I just want to zoom in on some of these faces. What are you showing? What are you thinking in this moment when the chicken nuggets are being You know, at this moment specifically, there was a lot going on. You know, Liv had just gotten injured. I'm feeling some kind of way without my, at my knee by my side. All of a sudden, Finn brings in this girl and she's got a box of chicken nuggets. I see what's happening here. I see what they're doing. You know what I mean? I get it. I'm upset that you didn't get presented with a, with probably some chicken nuggets.

42:25She gave me anything. She gave me anything. Where are they? They were not there. I gave them to her after. Speaking of some people's faces though, I want to go back to you too. Roxanne what's going on with your face here what are you thinking in that moment I'm thinking like I hope he likes chicken nuggets I hope that Carlito likes the apples I hope that Raquel likes the sunglasses because I would love to be a part of judgment day that's all I was saying why sunglasses she can't eat sunglasses why does everyone have to get a food gift come on Carlito got an apple look we brought these for Raquel by the way whose gimmick glasses are these those can't be real get those things a little those are not shoot glasses i'm telling you that right now now now dominic i have to admit does have his upsides i do like some things about dominic mysterious you have to admit so to be fair so we have to be i have to be fair and balanced say we're not we don't take sides here um for both of you guys like you said he has now kind of been the stalwart of judgment day he's been there for a while and it's crazy to think of Dominic is a veteran in any way because like he's still a 20 year vet in the business.

43:36I forgot. He just celebrated 20 years. Yeah, that's right. But how helpful has Dominic been for both of you guys coming to Judgment Day? I'll start with you, Roxanne. I mean, he's been awesome. You know, we were talking about it earlier and it's like he's been in the business for like 20 years, but still he's so humble and and so easy to work with and and just a really cool down to earth guy. So it's been cool to work with him and, and just everybody in the judgment day. Yeah. I would say the same thing. And also like my favorite moments with Dom or when of course the girls are freaking out and we're going crazy because, you know, we don't know what's happening and also things are getting thrown at us last minute.

44:14And it's like, he's really good at bringing us back to earth and calling us. He doesn't care about anything, honestly, but like it's that lack of caring that really shows. He's like, you, you're freaking out about what's going to happen. and he's like on some website looking at watches oh yeah his thing will be like hey man don't worry about it just go do it just go do it no it's it's it's you know what it is i want to use this word carefully because i don't mean it in a bad way but it is privilege like dom is of a wonderful like he's seen that winning in life is what you do now he works hard he's fantastic in the ring he takes care of everybody like all jokes aside he's he's awesome yes but he really does have an attitude that kids who grew up good have like yo what are you stressing it's gonna work out ultimately i guess we never put that together like from the border i'm like oh i guess i never saw it that way no listen if things didn't work out for tom he could have been ray mysterio's bum son like and it would have been fine it just turns out he's talented and charismatic and really wants to do this but yeah he does have an attitude about stuff that's just like nonchalant like very nonchalant yeah yeah yeah and then like even the mania moment when i saw the the pop that he got at wrestlemania yeah and i'm like i don't think anyone thought this was what was gonna happen well even triple a recently that pop that he got there was just like if he wins that title too and you're talking with american championship yeah although can i tell you that one if i'm being fully honest we're having a nerdy wrestling conversation which we're literally on a 24 and 7 wrestling radio station so i'm comfortable here i was like not surprised by that everyone's like yeah look at the pop he got in triple a i'm like uh hello he's the biggest the level of the pop no i know he knows dom is gonna get a pop but it was like it was it was awesome i was like if the glass broke and stone cold was about to come out it was on that level but think about it he is he has been this iconic mexican-american heel now for the last few years who shows up in mexico the big like it had all of the ingredients i guess i just wasn't did but it's like if if ray shows up as a surprise and his music just hits does he know just not to pit them against each other but like are you doing any mexican hero that shows up but dom's it's not moments yeah how about this how about this when we had dom show up to our heat ingredient that doesn't count because look you said it we're nerves i would he because that's the same thing dom showed up at our event a couple years ago and like yeah he had oh he had a mat i forgot we did the whole mask this he interrupted mask on reveal oh it was incredible like he is like he is a break glass he is a break glass in case of emergency yeah kind of person but yep um now when you when you first started raquel we were still doing house shows correct in a regular way any part of you miss live events a big part of me actually we just did a big super show in texas and we had that little loop which was really cool and fun because we got to go to our hometowns um we just did a super show in mexico in mexico city and monterey and it was again the hottest crowds that we've been in front of mexicans crowds always they just always give the best i do miss them i feel like there are missed opportunities of us like being a part of the group being a part of the fans bettering ourselves as a tag team working together and getting those reps that we haven't had before and so i think we should do more of them i really do i love a mexican pia leon yeah yeah it's definitely nerve-wracking to like try things on live tv yeah so it's fun to be able to try things on live events you know like that is just it's just such a tough spot to be in that like you guys are trying to for example figure out how to work as a cohesive tag team learn how to do all this stuff and back in the day if if you guys had formed a while ago all of a sudden you're on the road together getting to know each other just a lot more work to get in um good luck tomorrow defending your tag team championships.

48:06Roxanne, Raquel, thank you guys so much. Thanks for having us. We still have another huge guest joining us in just a little bit. It is Cheap Heat Live Summer Slam weekend right here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7, Sirius XM Channel 156. So shut up! So shut up! Make your new boy! Slam! You know, Rick Martell, you have no fashion sense whatsoever. You do not wear a feather with a tuxedo, You know, I'm sure, Sherry, compared to me, everybody must look a little bit drab. Rick Martell, don't ever compare your looks to mine. And that whole incident concerning Bret Hart and the Intercontinental title, pal, you needed all the help that you could get.

48:51But at SummerSlam, you're not going to have any help at all. Shawn Michaels is going to take you out. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Chief Heat Live on a Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. And now I am told our next guest is here, which means the way we're going to do things is we'll get Dipperstein and even Emilio on. Emilio Sparks has left the basement. He has left Staten Island. And we'll get Emilio and Dip on for the last half hour of the show. That's what I'm thinking I should do. What do you think? That sounds great to me. I've got to say, Emilio looks like he's ready to debut. What, jacked up?

49:26Yeah, man. Yeah, he's jacked up. Although, I mean, can I be honest with you? If he was going to debut this weekend, I want him to clean up the neck. Come on. We have a lineup. They have barbers at the. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's a great point. They're going to take care of you. You're good. Don't even worry. Listen, I'm not going to complain. We have Emilio Sparks here. We have we have dip here. Everyone's been amazing so far. Yeah. So no one more than me, if I'm being fully honest. I think I have truly brought it. Well, but the guests keep coming. And like I said, we're going to bring in our next guest right now.

49:54And then after that, we will get to Dipperstein. Now, by the way, if you are having Internet problems or sorry, if you're listening live on the radio, we are having some Internet problems. So if you've heard the show cut out at any point, just want you to know when our replay airs, it'll be completely good. The podcast completely good. We're getting video done as well. So if you're missing anything right now, you had any issues, you can catch up later. Please subscribe to Cheap Pete wherever you find podcasts. And now I think it's maybe her third or fourth time on the show. I just had a long, intense conversation about this person.

50:28uh the dare i say iconic rhea ripley is with us right now hi welcome back thanks how are you i'm good how are you guys so do you want to know the conversation i just had about you yeah i'm really intrigued so i i have my good buddy rigs who i'm friends with from the the music world but he enjoys wrestling and in fact we watched wrestlemania once years ago but he's not he's he has kids he's in and out and he'll be like oh i saw something blah blah i said i think you'll really like unreal i think i think you'll really dig it and he was like all right bet bet i'm gonna like it and he hit me up to tell me that he had watched unreal and the only thing he could talk about was rhea ripley who he had not heard of before keep in mind he does not know who she is he just watched the episode and he was like yo i i could not take my eyes off her like she is she is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

51:22Like she had, like he was, he was just describing you as a guy who like kind of knows the entertainment business. It was very interesting to hear the way he described you. Yeah. And I said, well, I'll have, you know, no one called that earlier than yours. You know, I had to take full credit for it, obviously. Has the, has the feedback been positive so far since unreal dropped yeah um i mean i i haven't really had time to go on social media and good and stuff like recently but um the things that i have seen have been very good which is the one thing that i wanted from this unreal series i wanted the people the wwe universe to like understand that we're humans as well and like we have emotions we have feelings we go through all this stuff before going out there and performing and putting our lives on the line for everyone because I think sometimes it's forgotten that we do feel these things.

52:19Well, you are, you are, we've never talked about this. You are quick to, not quick to, you will, if the moment calls for it, you are one of the superstars who will have a, Hey, I love you guys, but you need to fall back. Like this is a bit too far. I saw one recently, like, don't send mail to my house. Don't, you know, I was at the airport and someone did this. You are, you are someone who like is so loved but there are moments where i'm sure that can feel slightly uncomfortable and i i really respect the fact that you are someone who's taken the moments to like as kindly as you can say know where the line is yeah i feel like we have to because it's like they just forget and they think some not all of them but some of them do think that they own us because we are on live television weekly.

53:10And I don't stand for that. I'm a human being as well. I grew up like everyone else. I live like everyone else. I don't want random people rocking up at my door to like mark out over me. Have you ever had it actually at your door? I had someone rock up on Valentine's Day, this past Valentine's Day. And luckily I was in Australia because like she just stared into my ring camera. She left it. Nothing weird about that. No. You're traveling and you're looking at your ring camera It's so strange. She left like a poem under my door, Matt, saying that like we're the sun and the moon and we're meant to be together.

53:43And I was like, if I was home, I would have answered the door and I would have been so uncomfortable. And I don't want to feel uncomfortable in my own damn house. Like that's just not okay. Everyone should have their space to like go home and relax and not have to worry about someone random looking through your window or knocking on your door. it's just like we have to have an off time as well because i will say season i will say and i know this doesn't seem very you because you are like very florida at this stage in your life this is the upside to new york city though like in new york city it is a new york cool you can't do you and you're living in a bit and also you're living in a building there just is no there's a doorman outside who's like they know if anyone's creeping around in it like there's just no such thing that's why like the like the richest people can live in new york city because there's always someone watching watching their their back yeah but i think it's an important line and like listen obviously it starts with a lot of love for you and like the same thing that my friend rigs was saying about you that has immense upside for your potential and your future and your ability to earn and perform and do all those things but yeah you being this person that's of interest to people that makes them want to look at you yeah there's drawbacks to that yeah too right and like I I always say I love my fans because I do I appreciate them I literally am only in the position that I'm in because of them because they cheered me on from day one against Shayna Baszler in NXT and from the Mae Young Classic and NXT UK they were always there but like I feel like sometimes just reminding them that we're very similar because I know a lot of my fans they have this is going to sound bad but like they have a lot of like mental problems they go through these struggles like a normal human like all people do right everyone does and i want them to know that like i go through these same things and they can overcome whatever they want to overcome they just need to put their mind to it and believe in themselves and that's what i try to portray but i think that's what also makes me so relatable sometimes where they think it's okay to then track me down and and come see me in certain places but we're like more of a friend that's why they have the meet and greets right if you got something that's the thing and get off come to a meeting yeah we actually i will say wwe for better or for worse makes you guys more available oh yeah than any other stars in the world yeah so like there really are a ton of opportunities some of which aren't expensive some of which like i saw this past week stephanie vicarra was you know at whatever random no no no not that i started the same week i started a store like she's just doing appearances like still there are still are these very regular ass appearances where you can roll up and meet someone now what is it like for you in our world you are you i'm not trying to like make you blush or whatever you've become gigantic right you are you're one of the biggest stars in the company but our world is small like we are not you know wwe is huge but like it's also small it's also niche in its own way right um thanks kelly do you to a, Can you also go out and live life pretty normally and move around and not get stopped very much?

56:57No, to be honest. Really? I think because of Netflix, the whole deal there, it's opened up how accessible WWE is for everyone now. So a lot more people are watching it, which means a lot more people recognize me in public. The only thing that is good is I wear such heavy makeup on TV. Sometimes it gives people a couple of seconds to think and be like, what's that? She looks like Riella. Have I ever told you that you look like Riella? I get that sometimes. And then I go, well, you never know. And they go, nah, she's way bigger. And I go. By the way. I'm just going to go fuck myself.

57:34By the way, I could see that kind of working for you. Because, you know, on TV, you do look really, really larger than life. And then I'll, you know, I'll see a photo of us. And I'll be like, you know, she's a gigantic human being. but like it's funny because like on tv you know people will make the comp like china like in terms of being like really imposing and i don't actually know how tall china was but i feel like she was six feet again it would be by the way i'll find out she was five five two i don't know so you do have that part that like now and you don't you don't wear all the rings all the time right my the ball rings out right yeah is everything this isn't all the time yeah so yeah all the time really yeah because i'm scared that they're gonna close up so you but does it always have to be a hoop there it doesn't have to be but i'm just um i got nails it's hard to change you know you know that though isn't that a weird thing about like looks that people have is that if you were to like tell me if you were to ask me if you had that in all the time yeah i don't think it's in all the time i guess i'm just like you could i just picture her a certain way and that's how she is when you think about her probably right now now do you so one thing i've always thought that's interesting about your character is that is the look on TV is striking and interesting, whatever.

58:46But it's not what you look like all the time. Yeah. And you're much softer looking in real life, for lack of a better word, than your television character is. Yes, the shop doc makeup. Yes, it's intentionally imposing, right? And I suppose it makes you a bit scarier and tougher looking. Is there ever a part of you that would enjoy a run where your look is closer to regular person or is part of that and I guess on house shows when you were doing them every once in a while you didn't have the full glam but is that something that interests you at all or is that part of the superhero sort of thing you need to do to get there I feel like the makeup is what makes Rhea Ripley Rhea Ripley um I mean to say that I wouldn't love just going out there and not having to put makeup on would be a lie because makeup takes a long time and sitting in makeup stresses you out when you have to go through a million things before stepping through the curtain.

59:39Um, but I feel like the way that the lighting is and just how the cameras portray us on TV, I feel like I need that heavy makeup because the lights, they, they flush you out. They, they change your skin tone. They change like how jacked you look. Like sometimes you have to get a good pump before going out. Some buildings are really bad with the lighting. And you want to look decent on TV, you know, like you don't want to watch it back and be like, Oh, so you could notice the difference literally if you didn't get like a good lift in before you went out there in a certain building, you could be like, Oh, I should have done more.

1:00:13Sometimes. Yeah. Like my body fluctuates so drastically. Sometimes I'm like, Oh, I look jacked that day. And then some other days I'm like, wow, I'm really just skinny. Wow. Not a thought I've ever had about myself. Jacked or skinny. Neither, no, neither one that's ever been on the top since but yeah neither one's been on the table that's so funny like that's a little thing you you always see like the the guys and girls like you know doing whatever thing messing around with the with the rubber bands or doing whatever different things you're doing and you always i wonder i'm like does this actually do anything yeah but like it really does yeah just it brings like the blood to the muscle so you get a good little pump but sometimes like my main problem is i don't really eat show days because i just don't have time and i don't really have the will to eat, you know, like I just don't feel like it.

1:00:57So I can tell the days that I haven't eaten enough because I go out there and I have no pump throughout the whole match. I don't get a pump and I just look like skinny and frail. Oh, yeah. People, everyone's saying that about you. She's so skinny and frail. By the way, this is why part of why people relate to you though, because like you do share, you know, these real life insecurities that people are like, oh my god if rhea ripley has insecurities yeah i mean i feel like growing up i didn't have someone that expressed these things so i was very lost as a child and i was like are these feelings that i should be feeling like why do i but no one in your house you think was expressing like weakness yeah like my mom's very strong my dad's very like quiet but strong my sister i mean she's emotional but she's younger than me so it was okay right um and for me like growing up in wrestling everyone portrays himself as larger than life and strong and like they have no weakness.

1:01:58So I never really knew how to express myself. And I wish that I had someone that expressed themselves that I could look up to and then be like, okay, I am normal. These are normal emotions. This is just what people go through sometimes. And that's why like, I like to talk about it all the time because I'm like, if someone can like relate to it and it helps them get over whatever struggle they're going through, then I'm doing my job right now. And now your character is going to do. So I always like joke that like when I first got back into wrestling, it was like, you know, 2005 and I was probably too old to be having these feelings, but whatever.

1:02:30I was, you know, in my early twenties. No, a little bit older already. I was in my early mid twenties and I was trying to find myself in my career. And I sort of found myself back in wrestling again and watching it week to week and i remember like it really was like the entrances of people that like i i know this sounds insane but like i i drew strength from it i was like when i'd be walking into like when i went to hot 97 a couple of years later for my first like attempt at an interview to get a job listen to batista's theme song well batista's a big one batista's a big one i walk alone is big i walk alone and and and hunter's music too which one though because he has the game i mean dananet dananet like i would think of the spit i'm okay why do you think i nailed the spit so perfectly at the at the at the kickoff show because i'd practice that spit because i was like and so i think it's interesting your entrance is sort of similar to that like you get so big and that stomp and you know that there are going to be little girls who when they have a situation that makes them nervous they're thinking about you you know yeah that's pretty pretty cool It's pretty wild.

1:03:34And like to actually like see it in real life too, like the access, was it? No, the fanatic stuff that we just did. And I did a little entrance with a mini Rhea. Yeah, I saw that. Just like seeing how like excited but nervous she was backstage. And then as soon as the music hit, she stormed out there. She did my whole entrance right in front of me. Like she was confident. And I was like, damn, that's kind of cool. Like my song gave her that Rhea gets, you know? And it just kicked in. Yeah. Cool. Just to jump in real quick. I don't want to get too far away from the Netflix thing Now one thing I did notice was They had that whiteboard With all the Wrestlemania matches planned out And it was you and Bianca One on one at Wrestlemania On that whiteboard When you found out that Io was going to be Added to the match Was it more excitement Or was it more disappointment Like which one did you feel when you found out that that little wrinkle Was going to be thrown into it So I'm actually I'm quite glad that WWE Unreal has dropped because now I feel like I can talk freely about some stuff.

1:04:35But Hana pulled me aside before my match with Io, and he's like, what do you think about it potentially being a triple threat? I talked to Hana, and he asked me how I felt about losing to Io that night. And I was like, I've never beaten her, so it makes sense. And if it gets her into the match that you guys are obviously building as a triple threat match, so it makes sense, then put her over me. Like I don't mind dropping the title. I just want to have a good way to get back into the match. So it can be a triple threat. Like you really have to make sure that everything I do from here on out kind of makes sense as to why I will be in there.

1:05:16Cause otherwise I'm going to get completely shit on now instead of EO. That's a really good point. Yeah. So it just, it made it really hard. Like, of course I want EO to be there. I want her to be a part of it. I think she deserves a WrestleMania match. So if you're going to build a triple threat, make it a triple threat. Now, by the way, though, in the end, it works out. Obviously the match turned out. I'm sure you now think outside 2020, it all worked out. It was a hundred percent worth it. And now it worked out twice too. First of all, let me just say, honestly, I fully complained when it happened.

1:05:45Just to be honest on the show, I complained. First of all, you probably won't remember this, but before what, what happened that got us to Bianca what did Bianca win the chamber the chamber yeah the night of the chamber I overheard you having a conversation with the producer and I walked in and I was like oh spoilers and I knew at that point Bianca was winning yeah and so in my mind I'm like and I think you and I even joked about hair versus hair and I was like oh hair versus hair Bianca and Rhea would be it was incredible right and and so I that's what I thought we were getting yes and I was like they've never had their proper moment yay that we're going to get it when io came about i was disappointed at first yeah i will be the first to admit that i was wrong like this turned out to be an absolute classic but now you and io i think are becoming one of sort of the marquee rivalries among the women and i don't think we wouldn't have gotten there without this so it all worked out yeah no i agree the whole story with io leading back to the second may young classic like sometimes that gets forgotten but now we have so much of a story on the main roster as well but like you kind of can't forget about the past and what's happened so it's like it's cool to see it escalate and then with Bianca we can really build from anywhere so yeah that's what I'm saying you guys because to me you guys are you know the the faces of women's WWE and there are lots of people that are but in terms of the next generation of it right like yeah we've Becky and Bailey obviously are like built into it and have been that but I think when we talk about where we're going in the future you guys are so kind of mount rushmore in that conversation we will eventually get there and i hope you guys you know have a trilogy at wrestlemania whatever because i mean and i've said this many times but you guys are also two of the most you know lovely human beings i was going to ask you in that locker room um who do you look around at and go like oh man they're awesome like it looks so easy for them not to say i wish i could be them but i'm a little jealous of like just how they do their thing man that's a hard question i feel like everyone in the locker room is so good at what they do and like no one really puts over the stress like i feel like i do in front of people because like i'm stressing 24 7 you can't sell ria doesn't everybody tell you this i can't help it i try and find a hidden corner but the cameras seem to find me wherever on real footage.

1:08:16Yeah. And I was like, I swear they weren't filming that. Um, I think like, oh man, Naya is, is one that like, she's so good with the flow and like, she believes in everything that she does so much. Like I see her and I'm like, we like, I know that you don't have a clue what's going on right now because I'm a part of it and no one has a clue. How are you so calm? so she's like one of the main ones from the females and then when it comes to like the overall WWE Dom we just talked about this with Raquel and Roxanne he's so calm the most nonchalant person he's like oh what happens what happens you know I'm like how do you have that attitude but I did say this and I'm not trying to bury Dom I love him but there is a part that if Dom completely failed he can go live on Rey Mysterio's cat I'm sure your parents are back in the house hippie's allowed back in the house sorry but but like you know and i think that he uses that privilege to his advantage in that he's a lot it allows him to be calm like he's like things are going to be all right so like what's to not be all right about it he's so calm he's just like the most chill dude she brought him up so this is not even okay go ahead suj so during the last interview listeners know we we jumped at some investigative journalism and i want to show you this fall real quick.

1:09:39It's from May 19th. It's the same one we brought up if you've been listening to the whole show. It's Roxanne Perez presenting Dom with some chicken tendies. But what I want to ask you about, Aria, is that like right there. What do you have to say for yourself? I'm messy. That's it, right?

1:10:02That's a damn mess. I'm messy, my dude. I like a little bit of drama when I'm not in it. that was i i i appreciate sometimes you gotta be messy all right um i promised this to you a long time ago oh yes this is um this is a cheap heat shirt our our tribute to rocky boy we lost back in march and it's a it's a play on the junkyard dogs old t-shirt yeah that's why we have like the chain thing and then on the back we have like the uh the old school bootleg style of all the different photos and then my other boy bears there but yes as the one of the biggest dog lovers in the locker room i wanted to have rocky um he was our sweet maltese of course he was like the olafala to the dog lovers yeah that's the new olafala um exactly throw your ones up for rocky um but uh you are such a dog person yeah and you've got three what are the ages by the way uh luna i believe is seven uh barry is like i want to say four and a half now and bella is just past one years old i love i love barry because i like that you have two very dog names and then you just drop the straight up human name on barry how did how did we how did we land on barry so me and my my partner at the time we went to the pet shop and i was like i just want to look at the puppies.

1:11:27I don't want to buy anything. So we went in there and Barry's just sitting in this little glass box by himself. And I was like, I've never seen like a dog like that in the pet store. I was like, I want to play with him. So we went to the little thing and the pet store actually called him Barry. Oh, he was already Barry. He was already Barry. They named all the dogs. Cause like they play with them every day and they love on them and stuff. And they're like, yeah, that's Barry. He's really fun. He's tired all the time, but he also is very playful. Sounds like a Barry. Yeah, he sounds like a Barry.

1:11:59And like, literally I sat with... Barry's a Spuds McKenzie dog, right? Yeah. What are they called again? Bull Terrier. A Bull Terrier. Yeah. I literally haven't seen any of them in pet stores. You know what we're talking about, right? The ones with the flat noses. Yeah, the long snout. They look kind of scary. If you didn't know, I feel like they can look scary. They are like fighting dogs. They do get used for fighting, which I don't agree with because they're literally the sweetest dog ever. Like he is the neediest, most attention seeking. He looks so sweet. Yeah. He like, he has to sit on you.

1:12:29Like you will be sitting peacefully on the couch and he just comes up and he, he'll do this like weird, like run up where he goes back, goes to the couch, goes back. Cause he's scared of jumping, even though he knows he's going to make it. And then he'll finally jump up and he'll walk all the way up to you. So his feet are touching and then just go straight on top of you. I'm like, dude, you are heavy. Your feet are crusty. What Barry's like, what, like 50 pounds? 45 pounds? Probably 50. He looks dense. He looks like 50, 55. But am I right, though? When you're walking with him, will he back people up?

1:13:01Is he like a sort of people like, oh. Did get scared of him. Yeah. They have a big snout. Well, they have a big snout. They just have like a mouth that looks like they could crush if they wanted to. Yeah. And he gets excited when he sees people. He like starts jumping a little bit. And I'm like, dude, they're scared of you. Just relax for a second. Now, do you spend. So my boy. so rocky was almost 15 my boy bear is almost is is right about 15 right now yeah um although he's doing great but i'm not gonna lie to you since bear was probably like seven or eight years old i started having the moments where i like sit there and just like dread the future yeah and i really try my best to not live that way especially after losing rocky it's been like so hard that like i try to just love on him and appreciate it but do you ever find even though luna's seven which is young.

1:13:48But that was already the age I started being crazy about it. Do you think about it or no? Are you positive? Have you been listening to this interview at all? You may not have enough bandwidth to stress over the dog. Yes. Honestly, I'm not too stressed about Luna just because after we moved into this house she's turned into such a puppy. She has this energy that I've never seen her have before. She will nonstop run for the ball bring it back run for the ball bring it back by the way seven is young what's her breed again uh pomsky she's a pomsky yeah good a nice mutt yeah so she's like she's very like puppyish right now and i look back and i was dumb like i wasted years like at nine and ten and eleven being like oh he's getting old and now i look up and he's 15 and i'm like why did i spend time being sad then and now i'm like i'm not doing that again because he's doing good and like Like I could turn around and bear could be 20.

1:14:46And I'd be like, but 15, he was running up and down the hallway. And I was acting. The only thing he has now that happens at all is his footing. He, he doesn't have the same footing, right? Like yesterday he jumped up on the couch, but the angle wasn't great. So he fell back off, you know, like you have these moments where like, Oh, come and nothing seems to bother them. Yeah. Like they are truly the most amazing creatures. And that like, whatever happens to them, they just keep going. They do. They do. That's why I think out of my dogs, I think I'd be more worried about Barry. Because he needs you so much?

1:15:17Well, he doesn't have a brain cell to tell him to stop playing. Right. So he loves the pool. He'll jump in the pool repetitively for hours to the point that I'm scared that his stomach's going to blow up if he drinks too much water while puffing that hard, or he's going to get sunstroke and pass out. Because he'll lay in the sun all day and he doesn't care. Yeah. Like he will play until he can't walk and legit, like he'll play so hard that the next day his feet are so red, raw and bloody that he can't walk. He can't put pressure on them. His hips are like tired. So he can't jump, can't step. I have to like pick him up at night, put him on the grass so he can pee, pick him up and then take him to bed.

1:15:57Cause he literally played. He plays himself out. Yeah. Well, listen, I am much like Barry and I will just keep going, keep going, but I'm told Rhea Ripley has to go. I would, heap all the generic thank yous and how we feel about you, but you know all these things already. You are always welcome here. We appreciate you. Good luck this weekend. I'm not worried about you. And Dipperstein is going to join us in a moment. That's right. And Emilio Sparks is here. We have more of GP live right here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. New World Wrestling Federation superstars cookies from Solano.

1:16:34Great tasting cookies in 10 fun-to-eat WWF wrestling shapes. Welcome back to Cheap Heat. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. Oh, yes. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. Welcome back. We are here. SummerSlam weekend. Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Dipperstein is finally joining us. Here I am. Dipperstein is living a double life where he is on the show, but then when wrestlers are around that he could potentially represent one day, he disappears and acts like he doesn't do the show. That's it. That's a big move. I got, by the way, shoot, Dave, you make really back. We kill a show, killing my cover a thousand percent.

1:17:15Hey, how are you? I'm doing good. It was good to be back. Yeah. You were here last week. So I guess I'm just giving you a very casual intro. I told dip, we're kind of getting towards like shit or get off the pot kind of territory here. Like at some point the gimmick is up. They're going to wrestlers are now listening as evidenced by the fact that I got yelled at by Kevin Nash this week. Wrestlers are just listening for this. Wait, wait, wait. Is this cheap heat unreal? Because I feel like this is a behind the scenes combo that people weren't supposed to. But it just happened. This is why it's cheap.

1:17:44Because if you were listening to the show, you went, why is Dip not here for the last 90 minutes? And now he's here all of a sudden. I've been standing outside the door. So Nash, I guess, heard some things I said on the air about Hogan. I get nervous immediately hearing that Nash reached out to you. I know. He must have listened at the worst possible time, too, because i don't know what you know it wasn't even that you know here's what it was and we ended up speaking and it was a well we went back and forth had a lovely dialogue i think nash is a somewhat religious guy and has his way that he sees you know hulk finding peace with god and when i spoke about it obviously i'm not coming at things from that angle so like i think it was sort of just a difference in seeing things and then as as he put it um he was like yeah man i'm like i got no problem with you like i'm just a raw motherfucker that's who i am like that's how i talk and i was like he was like no it's no nothing at all so we had a lovely conversation he's one of those dudes also he has some knows him personally and i said that's what we always say when we when people pass away it's like this is somebody's dad this is somebody's best friend this is somebody's best friend like we're all sitting here and being analytical about hulk hogan but like he is tarry to people and he is like their good friend who they've known forever and by the way based on what I've seen, we've seen how Kevin Nash talks in the world publicly.

1:19:00I think you could have a pretty good idea about how he felt about certain things. But that doesn't mean he didn't feel a lot of pain and loss. That's just how things are. Although, Peter, just so you know, when people say mean things about you or analyze you and your work, I have the same sort of reaction that Nash did. You do? Yeah, I always have. He overlooks the racism all the time. Oh, Mr. Shoemaker. I don't even know what to say. um natalie brought up a point this week that that is a huge question i i cannot believe we haven't discussed this yeah so uh dips one of dips many successful clients the the great uh maxwell jacob friedman is in happy gilmore 2 he's not he's not one of the fakakta cameos like post malone the most unnecessary cameo i've ever seen in anything in my entire life god bless him it just you could tell he didn't even you could tell he just showed up like what am i doing today i'll rub his head and give him a hat but max is in that movie has it does a great job he's really him and John Daly just some really funny people are actually in the film the important part is how dip do you deal with the alligator scenes in the movie so okay so what question what question from it I had no idea where this was going to go and I'm already annoyed you're talking about things I don't want you to talk about you were worried about this I swear to god I'm at the premiere of this movie I'm sitting in like the sixth row I'm sitting in Max's row of the house like yeah like the good this is where the people are yes and i you know like i saw eminem i saw that they were going to throw him somewhere and then i see the lake sort of in the foreground of the scene and i'm like oh my god i know what's going to happen in this scene there's going to be alligators and so by the way for any for anyone who doesn't know this i think we've talked about it on the show before i have a chronic paralyzing a real paralyzed paralyzing fear of alligators and crocodile the only person who didn't want to go to new orleans or wrestlemania next year literally so someone has breath that is so good that i'm smelling it as they're just chewing in life i don't know who it is but i want to kiss whoever it is on the mouth continue who is he kissing today who is he gonna kiss is it you amelia is it hot dog is it you it's not me a hot dog always you're just smelling a gum pack hot dog's the best one of the best smelling people on earth oh is it the gum pack oh thank you all you i'm gonna make out with this gum all right all you have to do is follow the scent of success and you'll find hot dogs um but uh so i immediately see where this is going and i just full-blown shut my eyes for the entire scene i what what like you can visibly see alligators in that scene right of course i shut my eyes completely and did not open them until i knew that this until the laughing was over yes until you heard eminem yell detroit what and then yeah i guess so and then i completely like you know was able to function again.

1:21:44But yeah, no, I couldn't see. I would have thrown up in the theater if I would have seen the alligators in that scene. That's a very good question, though. Very astute. Thank you, Natalie. Yeah, that was a very solid question for her because I was really wondering, what do we do about this? Now, you had another take that was full on insane to me earlier, by the way. Dipperstein said he freaks out in his house more if he sees ants than spiders. Yeah. Oh, yeah, because ants means like an infestation. There you go. right but don't even spiders are scary spiders means there are other insects because they wouldn't be around but what about just a sheer fear of being a spider though spiders are scarier creature than an ant spider to really to really freak oh stop what you see it you kill it and that's the end what size do you get scared out of a spider zero size a tarantula could be in your house you wouldn't be scared i would go oh my god look at this a tarantula is in this house what did i feed it an ant an ant i see one ant i know there's ants galore in the house and i go i go freaking crazy i can't i hate ants i said i would rather just what about a wildebeest in my in my in my yeah i agree with that but where are you at with roaches in college we we had uh roaches in the house in the apartments that i lived in because you know the people i lived with were filthy not me of course i'm clean as a whistle but but but there was there was roaches all over the place so that clean very clean as long as they're not in my area in my space where i'm bathing and i'm but they were never in my room i never did i know you so so you felt okay as long as they weren't in your room i could not sleep in a house where i know roaches are yeah i yeah i know it's a thing ants to me ants are the worst kind of oh no i would sooner have an ant farm oh i i what about a worm farm like dumb and dumber i've got worms i could do worms that's what we're gonna call it yeah hey uh sg you grew up in harlem yep roaches well i'll scare you deal with them yeah of course they're not as gross as like an all like an you they're not gross it's a big ant thing are you it's disgusting as you make sorry shoemaker roaches are gross they're horrifying and what i'm talking about water bugs the ones that are like big yeah yeah they are i've seen some that fly yeah i want everybody to understand this right now about my wife if if natalie it's new york city if natalie even eight months pregnant we were outside and something happened and like she saw someone who i had problems with like dj academics eight months pregnant natalie would say natalie would say hold my bag i'm gonna slap the shit out of this guy that is the kind she's not scared of a thing right when a roach appears in my house she turns into a fighting screaming and i have to when it's early in the morning she i'm sure you've done this you're you're a married man there's nothing worse than your morning starts with your partner screaming yeah and before i've had breakfast i have to go kill a roach it feels like you're never gonna get big it's committing murder i have to murder at 6 45 on murdering where are you how are you getting the roach they scurrying away they scurry so so what happens is this happens she'll she'll say oh my god she screams and i walk out it's just sitting in the room like she just they're so big you see from 10 feet away so then you have to plan how to do it now you get a shoe from the other room you can't get a shoe that's too close to it we have so many roaches in college that they they come out when it's when it's um dark yeah when it's dark so if we would turn the light on and they would they would like a hundred of them would run into the wall you'll lift yeah i'd live like this by the way scg does this guy not blow your mind i live every day like an animal this is a guy who doesn't mind sitting in 47b on a plane and will also not mind roach it just doesn't go with everything else no i mean can i circle back around real quick yeah circle around are you a fan of the wrestler skinner he was he was crocodile because he hunted the crocodiles or is that too close to crocodile for you i have never seen a full skinner vignette just for the fear that an alligator would appear on that screen if skinner was one of your clients do you think you'd be able to do a good job would you represent Skinner?

1:25:44Don't worry, he's not listening. By the way, he probably is. For the record, if you are out there listening right now and you are like an 80s or 90s wrestler that we wouldn't think to be listening, please find a way. Rosenberg Radio on Twitter or Instagram, send us a message so we can pop dip. Can Warlord call this program? You just want Warlord to be a bar? Can we get jumping Jim Brunzel? Is Grale listening right now? Gangrel's definitely like you're wearing the Jim Brunzel. These are Jim Brunzel. Well, Jason, both Steve Kern and Jumpin' Jim Brunzel were interviewed on The Ringer last week for their Hulk Hogan memory.

1:26:18Oh, that's right. By the way, I got to tell you, Shoemaker, your piece on Hogan was among the best things you've ever written. I was going to say, you're going to say among the best pieces about Hogan that were written. That's a very mid-compliment. That's great. So Shoemaker, by the way, showing his true arrogance. He only wants to be compared to himself. Don't compare him to all the other schmageggies. no it was you did it because my dad had sent me an article about him that was like extremely harsh and i was like don't get me wrong i'm not saying i disagree with everything in here but this is like a very easy article to write about like it's a shame everyone hated him and i'm like okay but you're not really telling give me the full get let's get complicated about everything here you did a great job telling the story of like sort of his importance while also the way you get there at the end you know yeah you making up the story of seeing something that you never saw because that's the perfectly hogan way to sort of do it is just completely lie also it was just chef's kiss you should be very proud of that piece thanks yeah it was weird it was i was obviously had to write in a hurry uh it's all also because i mean i feel like didn't you have some of these on that mac my hand away the talk's my wife she did this is all i've been hearing for the yeah it's shocking that that one well because also he almost died where there was a rumor two weeks yeah and my wife asked the same question then you obviously you have hogan written right and i was just like no why would i i don't want to deal with this so i wrote it that day and it was a lot you know to process or whatever uh and it's also terrifying because you wake up the next day just be like you know that the responses are going to be first of all with hogan it's people screaming from both sides but also in any time you file something at 11 p.m or whatever you you wake up and you're like what did i get wrong that people are going to be making fun of me about what actually the response 11 p.m.

1:28:00to you is like 8 a.m. and another time yeah you might be waking up to heat from like all over the place yeah but uh but i wrote but i think the weirdest thing was when it was done kind of like once i all that all the writing and publishing everything else was finished i just kind of realizing that's i'll never do it again you know like it's like hogan yeah i mean yeah that's a my my career ambition was not to write hulk hogan's obituary but it's sort of crazy to think that like i'm never going to do anything that scale you know and i complicated that and also literally the way that we heard of you initially is dead wrestler of the week yeah and when you were writing that in your mind it's like well the ultimate one that would ever happen is hulk hogan now there are still a couple of others out there that i won't mention by name that you should write just because they could be the curve it could be challenging to get to but i just wanted to tell you what we had you for a moment it was fantastic i actually do have to run didn't just want to stick around for the comment i want he's worried that he's worried I don't know if I never heard of such a thing in my life.

1:28:58The the hotel restaurant closes at two. That happens. What two o 'clock? Can I get three o 'clock? I've seen it. They got to close for lunch. By the way, don't go to Europe. From two to four that you can just get. Yeah. They have to reset for dinner. How long do they need to reset? Restaurant for dinner. Oh, really? Two restaurants. All right. Well, give Emilio your headphones anyway. It's time for Emilio Sparks to actually get on the podcast that he produces. He showed up. The least he could do is get eight minutes of mic time. I'll show you the best. Thank you, Ben. Good seeing you, buddy. Get out of here.

1:29:25You're like a cockroach. Are you what? I say cockroach. But you like to do it. You're putting it on. I bet you he says it too, Mr. New York. How do you say that? I don't say cockroach. You say cockroach. I'm a cockroach. There's an A. It's like Dipper Lago. There's an R in the middle. Let me ask you a question. Are cockroaches really in Beverly Hills? What's happening out of this conversation? They're not running around, scurrying around dipper logo you know what i'm saying well now i've had but i i've had some but i mean i live in the wilderness up there that built dipper lagos in the wilderness so you get interesting i think there's mapped your house it's not the wilderness no there's wilderness it's by the way my whole yard is wilderness by the way dip we need to make sure there's very up there we need to make sure and it won't be hard because emilio doesn't leave the house he can never come to dipper lag oh no because as wonderful as it is i like the image that he has in his head of what's going on at dipper lag i think he actually pitches pictures mara lago like it's going It's sprawling down blocks.

1:30:24There's a golf course. There's a restaurant. I'm thinking about putting a putting green. They genuinely believe that there is a fountain of Andre the Giant just spitting water. You know what I'm saying? That's a good idea. It's like what they have at headquarters. Choking Bob Uchers. Oh, see, that's a good idea. That's why you have S-E-G. Choking Bob Uchers. And Uchers got the water. There's a picture of Rosen. There's a picture of Rosen like Vigo the Impaler from Ghostbusters. Now he's calling me Rosen, too. I got to go with full Rosen. Kelly, what do we have? Six minutes left or so on the program?

1:30:55So guys, if six minutes left, quickly, I'll start with you, Dip. I'll start with you. Yeah. What are you most excited about for SummerSlam? It is happening in the next two days. I'm really excited to see what they do with Karrion Kross and Sami Zayn. I got to be honest. Really? Yep. I know that's not - What a marquee answer. I know. Well, hey, guess what? Yeah, I know. I know that wouldn't be everyone's answer, but that, to me, has the most mystery surrounding it. because bear you know it's like you know carrying cross has all the all the riz right now you're sensing riz and and if they're going to pull the trigger on him i think this is the weekend to do it by the way did my bad news i think i've been told by the young uh-huh he's riz done riz is done no riz is done yeah you know you know i'm a yeah or you gotta go over now it's oh it's aura it's aura yeah it's i mean i know by the way by the way no or it's the same thing as riz aura could be running low even too or has been happening for a while so you should get in right now but But no, but its moment is now.

1:31:52But hold on. Can we get past crashing out? Are we done with crashing out? Well, people are still crashing. Everyone's crashing out. Crashing out is wrong anyway, the way they say it. It's completely wrong. I hate it. Dip is very anti-crashing out. I don't like crashing. Same here. So wait, so you're saying crashing out is a negative thing and people are making it sound like it's a positive thing? Yes. Yeah, I agree. Crashing out is a negative thing. It's when you lose your mind. Yes, that should be a crash out. But people act as if it's kind of like, oh, he's crashing out. like it's almost good.

1:32:19We're going to the bar tonight. We're going to crash out. Is that what people are saying? Now people are crashing out of bars. By the way, we can't. Hot dog's crashing out. By the way, hot dog, we should ask. He's young and social. Emilio is like a 60-year-old man trapped in a beautiful 40-year-old body. He doesn't know what the hell is going on. He had an A for use. No, that's right. But you weren't out last night at the club. Oh, no. Well, I was up late, but no. Do you think hot dog's late night at the club? I know. Do you follow hot dog on social? No. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. No. social now sure well then you should know hot dog is out in the streets he's taking trips to dr he's not sleeping with porn stars he's doing all kinds of things but he's outside they're are there flaming classes oh yeah it's coming to her sure i'm telling you he's outside he's got some big booty let's is out i'd still a thing are people still outside oh yeah i don't think outside's ever dying well it was it was that uh the lot is it lotto who's it cardi who's the new party was outside that's the new party i wonder if she'll be outside tomorrow well Well, the interesting thing about Cardi is I'm going to speak completely out of school here.

1:33:22Cardi is a very nervous person. She talks about this all the time. If you watch interviews with Cardi, she defaults back to her old, the sort of old, for lack of a better word, hood character she does. Like the little. She goes back to that because it's like her nervous place. If you watch interviews with her, I mean, if you watch social of Cardi, that's when she's comfortable giving you the full Cardi B character. when the mic and camera goes on she clams up a bit and she turns into the cardi of many years ago so i have been a little nervous about like what is going to be done with cardi because she doesn't do a lot of live here's a microphone here's a camera that is not cardi so i am rooting for her like hell i love cardi b it's a big time for her albums finally coming and everyone wants to see her put hands on someone like be involved in something it's probably gonna be chelsea is that that is the play that does work that is a great idea that gets smacked around why why is that the why is that the point she's obnoxious and she would be like try to stunt on cardi because she thinks she's and chelsea green and she's the go-to when you need things like that when you need like those moments to work with individuals that like peter said are necessarily nervous yes you can have a professional like chelsea green calm you down and be like i got this just let me hand right and all you have to do is slap me and i'll do whatever okay yeah John Cena and Cody Rhodes Dippe interested I gotta yeah I gotta give it to Cody on this He's turned it into something I am interested in it for sure But I think If you want to make it as interesting as possible You gotta give that belt back to Cody Today Interesante Are we gonna get that Will Cody Rhodes leave the weekend as champion I think he wins clean Here's my prediction He wins clean I gotta agree because there's a short amount of appearances left and you have to now take that belt off of him so we can now do the goodbye tours of the goodbyes.

1:35:16But for the record, if Cody wins that title, it's, whether intentional or not, it's a double turn. Cody's getting booed, John's getting cheered. Yes. Sounds good to me. Even though he needs to go out on a goodbye and everybody's like throwing roses at his feet, it's just too one-dimensional for what they're doing right now. WWE is trying new things, even turning Cena heel is trying new things. So I think him going out without everybody loving him as a bad guy, it's probably where he's going to go. No, no, no. He will be full baby face by the time December rolls around. He doesn't need to because we're going to buy his shit anyways.

1:35:51I don't think John Cena wants to retire as a heel. But did you think any of it would be this way? Let's be honest. I didn't think any of it would feel the way that it's feeling. That's not what I predicted at all. No, definitely not. But December is right around the corner, guys. And I throw out a crazy idea, by the way. I don't know. SG, you're the one who knows what's going on on the internet. I never know these things. How interesting would it be if they found a way in the next four months to close the story of Nikki Bella and John Cena, which was never closed on television in any way. Think about that.

1:36:19They are both in the locker room and we're going to operate in a world where we never mentioned that they exist in the same place. What are we doing? We have television to fill every week. People couldn't agree more. I love it. Wouldn't that be fantastic? Whether they're together as heels, what there are so many things you can do that would be thrilling, but we're not going to get that this weekend. And we will get two days of wrestling. We thank you guys for being here. If you're checking the end of the show, go back and listen to the podcast. Rhea Ripley. We had Roxanne. We had Raquel. We had Jacob Fatu, who was incredible.

1:36:50All available on the podcast. And thanks to Hot Dog, we'll be on YouTube. Maybe sometime, what, late today? Maybe? We're talking about it. Just get a little relish. We're going to make it happen. Exactly right. Guys, thank you so much. Emilio making the trip out of Staten Island. Dip all the way from California. SGG from Philadelphia. We will catch you guys next week on cheap heat live for a wrestling 24 seven.