The Rosenberg, Je'Von Evans & DJ Money Show

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0:55tsch最近 最近 Oh, oh. Sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was Rappod. It was Rappod. It's professional. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the world's number one sports recreation podcast now turned radio show here on WW Radio. It is Cheap Heat Live. On this Friday, August 28th weekend, somehow not Labor Day weekend. We're still a week out from that. Not exactly sure what's going on calendar-wise, but here we are. I'm very happy to be here. Going to be a very different program today. I mean, it's the same in some ways, different in others.

1:40Dipperstein is off. He is gone for the weekend. Stat guy Greg is off for the weekend. So I am holding down the fort, and I'm going to bring in a couple of special guests to hang out with me and talk all things WWE from the week that was, okay? So let's get into it right now because there's a lot happening, folks, in this weird in-between land, this not-quite-time-between-PLEs, but time between a PLE and a Sunday night's main event without our next real PLE until practically mid-October. it's a it's a very interesting time because we also have some major things happening um we spent a lot of time last week and this is one of the things that you you love about wrestling and also will drive you crazy is that you can spend so much time on something speculating on all the things that are and can be and then boom you blink your eye the match happens some michigas happens and now we're off to a completely different place altogether.

2:51And we won't know until Friday whether what we were talking about has anything to do with what's going on moving forward. And a lot of ways that is the CM Punk Kevin Owens of it all and whether or not we end up getting back to just Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn. But that is something that remains to be seen that we'll get into. So we have that, of course, from Friday night. Oba and Bron Breaker are on their collision course. That has been a lot of fun. And I have that to me is one of those situations that has really turned from nothing to something, in my opinion, just on the strength of the talent of the two combatants.

3:25So we'll get into that. Plus Royce Keys bringing on some compadres and OTM. The L.A. Knight solo bloodline thing continues. The Judgment Day being the whole Liv, Steph, Becky Lynch situation. So a lot of different things happening this weekend. And then, of course, you have NXT Heat Wave, which is Sunday, 3 p.m. Eastern time. And that is going to be a lot of fun. The NXT Championship match. I haven't been dialed into everything NXT recently in what has been sort of this last, you know, I don't know, two to three month rebuild that it's sort of been since they essentially emptied out so much of the locker room to the main roster and have reset.

4:15So many people added from Evolve. Of course, the appearance of Zillofa too. So much stuff happening. But this is a big deal. The NXT Championship match, Tony D versus Grayson Waller, who of course now is throwing himself into the mix in a big way. Cruz Montana and Zillofa too. That'll be a really fun main event in that one. And the NXT Women's Championship, my girl, Kendall Gray. I'll be honest, they're both my girl. Kehlani Jordan. We discovered her half Judaism on this show. A big moment. Kehlani and Kendall for the NXT Women's Championship as well. So there's a lot of wrestling to get into all weekend long before we get to next week's Sunday night main event, which, as I've been saying, really seems to me to be taking on the feel of a big Sunday night's main event.

5:08or Saturday Night's Main Event. It's really like the definition of PLEJs. That is exactly what it's starting to feel like. We don't know. We only have one thing added since we last talked. But it is crazy when you think about it. And I think our first guest today, when we get to him, we'll have some interesting insight to add to this. but they also added Lil Yachty getting his first in-ring competition. Lil Yachty is going to have a match against Baron Corbin, all right, attempting to earn a U.S. title shot for Trick to get his licks back. The funniest thing about this is, is obviously we do the show on Fridays, as you're listening to us, unless you're catching a replay.

6:02And we talked last week, I was putting it out in the air. Like, where is Lil Yachty in terms of, we've already given him his flowers for how good he's been, but in terms of just his overall involvement, like what echelon is he getting to in terms of celebrities participating in WWE? Because if you really look at how much he's been around, how much TV, how many episodes of SmackDown, how many PLEs. Now we know that he's training. He's really like in, right? And that was before we even got to the fact that he has a match now, because of course I had no idea that they would do this. I did not think when I heard that he was training recently, that that meant he would be having a match anytime soon.

6:59So listen, I haven't spoken to Yachty. I'm very curious. Maybe we could try to get him on next week ahead of it, but this is a big deal. I'm so excited to talk to our guest in a minute here about sort of the nerves that could be in someone's mind. In the case of Lil Yachty, he will be making his debut on Peacock at Sunday night's main event. That's a wild way to start your like that. That's one of the things everyone always says about Jade Cargill. You know, Jade Cargill's debut was on television and then she's every match she had was on television. That is such a massively different way to go about this wrestling thing.

7:44So it'll, it'll be interesting to break that down. So what we're going to do is take an early break right now so we can come back with our guy. Stick around. We have a special guest analyst this week. Dip has left me high and dry. SGG has left me high and dry. So I had to pull out the big guns. We have a great guest to join us this week. It is Cheap Heat Live. Hang tight. It's WWE Radio. Look at them warriors. Guess who's back in Lincoln and ready to strike fear in the hearts of his opponents. The ultimate warriors! Ladies and gentlemen, The World Wrestling Federation returns to Pershing Auditorium.

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9:00The ultimate shootout. Presented by KFMQ. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Cheap Heat Live on WWE Radio. Your forever 24-7 champion, Peter Rosenberg, here. However, I have upped the ante because Dip is out. SGG is out. I had to bring in, though, an OG to the game in his own right. A young OG. Javon Evans. Come on now. Come on now. Hanging out on GP Live. What up, Javon? What's up, dog? You know, I was ready. I was ready. I was going to have a pen and paper. I was going to take some notes. You know what I mean? Write down what I think about what we was going to talk about. And then I realized I don't have, like, no pens in my crib.

9:41See? Because you know why? because you're living your dream. I'm living my dream. No, things turn out good when you don't even need to find a pen. Come on now. Come on now. Who needs a pen? So, listen, I do at some point want to talk about what's going on with you and sort of catch up because I feel like the last time I had you on in any extended way was at the Rumble in Riyadh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were in that little conference room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little random conference room in Riyadh. And now that feels like that was only a few months in, and it's been now another seven months or something like that since then.

10:23So I definitely want to catch up on what's been going on with you. But let's pick up. Before the break, I was talking about this little Yachty situation that they announced Yachty has a match against Corbin. Right. When you hear that someone is going to make their in-ring debut, you like with a situation this big and this many eyeballs like what comes to your mind is that a crazy thing for you to even imagine bro i if it was my first match ever i couldn't imagine doing it at you know a pili like that you know i mean in front of that many people in your hometown like bro i'll be so nervous myself you know i'm i'm already nervous when it comes to matches so like Like, just being in that situation and me wrestling for, you know, the amount of years that I've been wrestling for, I know for a fact Yachty's nervous, for sure.

11:16For sure. Now, how much will it help, you know, having someone like Corbin who has been around the block, like, several times? Does it ease it for you at all when you know you're in there with someone who's really done it a million times and isn't going to have nerves about it at all? well yeah but like you only think about that when you wrestle you know a good amount of matches you know i mean like when you first start off no matter who you're in the ring with you're like i'm nervous to do this dog you know i mean like no matter you could be in the ring with the greatest rest of all time you're still gonna be you know um yeah because even if corbett even if the veteran can say hey bro don't worry i got you i'm gonna take care of you you still you don't even know how to do necessarily you're not sure you know how to do anything exactly exactly and it's a different it's a different feel when you go out there and like when you feel the energy from the fans and like you know when you're wrestling like the fans are talking to you and stuff like it's a different beast out there so i don't know but i think you'll do very good have you seen it have you have you seen yadi do anything yet have you happened to be around like at the the pc and seen him do anything yet no not really i've been working you know but but from what i've heard and from like from what i hear from the coaches and the people that he's been in the ring with he's doing pretty good i actually tell the trick about it he's doing he's doing pretty well so but it is interesting it's where your nickname it's where your nickname kind of becomes a shoot right like you are very young yeah but you really but you really are kind of an og yeah i mean yeah relative relative to other youngsters that you see around there there might be so how old are you again 23 22 22 so you're 22 but there might be cats there who are 28 29 years old and don't have the entering experience that you have that is true that is true it's kind of crazy uh i feel like also kind of like weird too you know i mean because like you got people that's like way older than me but it has been like wrestling less than me you know so then like i have to give them like advice and be like hey like this is what you need to do better your matches it's kind of you know i mean like it's kind of weird but it's cool it's cool but it is but do people see it do you think that inside the business people see your age more based on how long you've been wrestling than anything i don't know i don't think so i think a lot of people don't know that i've been wrestling for a long time i think so so some of the people in the locker room like you have to get them familiar they don't realize that when they see you like oh no i've been i've been doing this for like 10 years already nine years whatever yeah yeah yeah yes yeah sometimes i have to tell them like well now everybody knows but when i first started you know first got up there i didn't tell everybody like yeah you know it's okay you trust me yeah yeah i got a little idea did you did you see the video of you and jackson moving around the internet i did i did i did so how how old are you guys in that first video if you haven't seen it there's a video moving around nothing too crazy don't look at it don't look at it it's pretty bad it's a it's a very young like children jackson drake and javon evans sort of uh it's like a lock up not too you do a little springboard at the end yeah um but uh i just saw you know come on now y 'all are like what 14 years old we are 14 Yeah.

14:44Yeah. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy, man. It's pretty wild, bro. It was an indie show. We was going with our trainer because he was booked. And we go to, I think it was in Virginia or like West Virginia. We go up there and like, you know, we're helping with the ring and, you know, just chilling. And then the promoter walks up and he's like, hey, like, y 'all work? And I'm like, yeah. like y 'all wanna do it tonight? Y 'all got y 'all gear? I was like, I mean, I got some tights, but I'll be all right. Come on now. Bro, and then we went out there and had a banger. It was cool. But it was pretty bad, but.

15:26Right, it was bad, but it was a banger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For you guys, y 'all were hyped afterwards. Oh, yeah. Wait, was that the first time? Was that like literally your first time on a show? Not just rolling around in a gym? No, no, no. That wasn't our first time. So even that wasn't your first time? No, no, no, no, no. That was probably like our like, probably like six or seven song. And again, to emphasize that point, I saw it. No, we saw it. To emphasize, he did, for those on the radio, he did a mini six, seven, just a nod. Just a little, you know. Like, I mean, to acknowledge its past, but it deserves to be respected.

16:06Yeah. But just back to the point on the yachty thing though so think about that in the video we saw of you as a kid it's a tiny gymnasium with like 50 people in there yeah and that was your sixth or seventh time and it's so it's just i'm excited to talk to yachty and see now listen i'm not in the i'm not in the business of making predictions of uh in the world of professional wrestling oh however based on what I've seen in my lifetime and the setup to get to this match. I don't know how much like offense I see Lil Yachty getting in in this match. But at the same time, this is to earn Trick a shot.

16:50Right. At the U.S. Championship. And you got to think, in his hometown, you know, his squad, the family, the friends, everybody going to be there. So, you know, he wants to show off a little something. He's got to have, he's got to have something. He's got to have a little, you know, hit him with a little yacht bottom. You know, he's got to have something. But we'll see because actually I don't actually know how that plays out thinking about it because I have to imagine we're going to get tricked back to getting another U.S. title shot against Baron Corbin, who, by the way, said he was getting the fur removed from the U.S.

17:26championship and the fur is still on the title. Yeah, so what's going on with that? Classic, classic swagger jackie. What are you doing? Someone says they're not into something, and then you look up, and they jack the whole thing. He's a thief. He's a thief, among other things. Did you get a chance to watch Brom Breaker and Obafemi's contracts on him? I did. Yo, so what have you taken away from that story so far? Because at first, it's kind of like they were just two guys who kind of looked at each other, and I'm like, all right, Where are we going here? We get it. They're both the future. But it sort of has organically turned into this thing with now Paul Heyman sort of in the middle of it.

18:12And we don't know where he's going to go. What have been your takeaways early on from what you've seen from Bron and Oba? Well, honestly, I think it's Paul Heyman is starting to realize that there's more than just like two or three people in the future. You know what I mean? I feel like at first Paul Heyman thought that like, you know, Austin Theory is just the future, you know, and Brown Breaker is just the future. but now he's seeing that like other people is up there with him you know i mean so i don't think it's like a like a real disrespect to to to braun from paul you know i mean but uh i don't know man i also think uh braun is jealous well you know what i'm saying this is this is the thing where this is always that line that we love so much in pro wrestling where it's really hard to tell exactly you know it's some of its story some of its real life everybody everybody hey listen i could ask the same thing to you javon do you ever have any feelings i mean oba oba is that guy like you can't deny it like no for sure you know we know you are one of those guys we know braun is one of those guys but right now if we were doing a power ranking of the young guys yeah oba's oba's at the top of the heat that's just real spit for sure so like is there any level of competitive competitiveness that you guys have just sitting there being like, damn, I got to get to that spot where I'm the dude that everyone, the guy who gets the Brock Lesnar match, who's now having these moments.

19:50For sure, for sure. I mean, everybody wants those type of moments, but sometimes people just get there first. You know what I mean? And, bro, that's just how wrestling is, for real. But, like, any opportunity, you got to get a hold of it, you know? And Oba got the opportunity. he took the opportunity you feel me and look where it got him what class were you relative to Oba at NXT you were there before him correct or just after yeah he was there I think when he when he just won the North American title from Dragon Lee that was like my second or third like NXT show after being signed. He debuted on a Level Up episode on November 15, 2022.

20:48Do you know the date of your debut? On Level Up? No, it says your official NXT television debut was April 9, 2024. Is that right? Yep, yep. bro it was only 2024 yeah yeah yeah pretty wild right so okay so obo was in the middle of his north american so he was on the start of his ascent when you showed up yeah when i showed up uh that that mania was that triple threat with him who was him die jack you know you know what i'm talking about yeah yeah i'm trying to look i'm trying to look right now so his his nxt debut that was level up that was earlier yeah his nxt debut was at nxt spring break-in in 2023 so so only about a year before you actually um and he beat oro mensa in that match how did you have any when you first got your eyes on oba in person what what jumped out to you from the beginning honestly i think it was his accident i like i walked up to him and i was like oh what's up bro you know i'm javon and then he was like i'm oba but it was like very deep and And I was like, oh, my, like, my bad, OG.

22:25You know what I mean? He was just saying what's up to me. I felt like I did something wrong, you know?

22:33But, yeah, no, other than that, bro, every time I saw him training in the rain, like, he was a beast, you know what I mean? Like, he was always pushing the pedal. but that was like one thing that really mainly stood out to me was just how he moved in the ring for his house he is physically incredibly impressive I gotta tell you though bro for me I think I've been most impressed by his bike work recently oh yeah yeah he's been locked in I ain't going to lie. I ain't going to lie. My boy always been locked in, dog. On that microphone, I did not know. Like, I always, I knew he had presence. And I knew he had, you know, obviously the accent.

23:20And the whole thing was a cool character. Yeah. I don't think the way we saw him this week, like lounging back in the chair. Like, I didn't know he had these different speeds on the mic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think him being in that angle with Brock and Pauly helped him, boosted him with the confidence. You feel me? Because he had confidence on the mic at NXT, but now he's just a different breed, bro. It's scary, and it is cool to see, bro. It's pretty wild. So you guys had a title match for the NXT championship. What's he like in the ring? What can you say about him? And how's your guys' chemistry?

24:08Do you feel together in the ring? Oh, bro, me and Ova, bro, we go crazy every match, you know? Because he listens to me, you know? I just tell him what they're doing. He does it. You feel me? He listens to me. He listens to the young OG. He listens to the young OG. That's why our match is so good. You know what I mean? But yeah, our chemistry is great, bro. I don't think we've ever had a bad match for real. Yeah, no. Any smooth? Is he a particularly stiff guy to work with or no? Because we're friends, when we get in the ring, we like to you know lay it in just a little bit just a little bit just a little bit um but there's been a couple times where like we've been hitting or i'll hit him and i'll hit him too hard oh my bad i'll be like all right just give it back to me i'll hit the ropes it'll be way harder i'm like all right that's cool that's cool i'll take is there ever a thing where the where the bigger guy guy sort of feels a little bit more of an obligation to be careful with the guy who's clearly smaller whereas the smaller guy feels like I can lay this in he'll be fine is that ever a mentality or is that do you think size doesn't matter in terms of how you handle those things I thought it just kind of depends on the person for real you know I mean because some big men will have that mindset like yeah just lay it in I'll be okay you know but other big guys don't like being touched, you know what I mean?

25:51Like, they don't want to be stiff, you feel me? So, like, it kind of just depends on the person and who you're working. You took the F5 at the Rumble, right? I did. How was that? It was great. It was great. How were you, like, did you just, did you, obviously you know that thing that's going to happen, but, like, do you know exactly what it's going to be like to take an F5? Like, how does that even go? Or are you just so confident in your ability, be like, it'll be fine. I'm good. Well, so I think I was confident, but at the same time, I was nervous too, because I just never took the FI before.

26:29But I was like, yo, I've seen him do this move so many times growing up. Like, I got it, you know? But then, right, funny story, right? So like, he comes in the ring and he starts suplexing everybody. right and in my head or i remember somebody was talking about it before the show they was like hey you know hey if brock comes in the ring he gives you a suplex he's gonna toss you do not jump but i was just eavesdropping i was like okay all right cool just in case whatever wait so so real quick when you say suplex you don't jump they mean don't jump on the suplex yeah yeah like just let him just just yeah just let him throw you you don't need to add and you don't need to add nothing just got it so so to us to us people who don't understand because in other situations with someone without that power it would maybe be a given that you would need to add a little spring to it right right right all right got it okay right so i'm e-driving i hear that i'm like all right cool whatever you know if it happens whatever he comes in starts suplexing everybody I get up I see him I'm like let's see if I can do something right when I try to swing he snatches behind me I'm like oh no Suplex I'm like I'm not jumping I'm not jumping I'm telling you if I would have jumped I probably would have died I swear most definitely because of how easily he tossed you?

28:04Oh yeah oh yeah yeah for sure I was in the air And what did the F5, is anything tough about taking the F5, or is it pretty clean? It's pretty clean. He gets you up there, and then you're done. Just float. And he's got to be hyped with someone like you who doesn't weigh that much that he knows, because those are the best ones. You know, if someone doesn't weigh that much, you could get – I remember, you got up there pretty high on the toss. Yeah. That's what gives it the most F5-y appeal. Exactly. Exactly. I love making like moves look crazy. You know, that's like, it's just great, you know, because then you get like a good reaction and you make, you know, your opponent look better and it's fire.

28:50Yeah. So to you, selling can be just as satisfying as offense. Oh, yeah, for sure. Do you have a favorite? Do you have a favorite sell like in history, like that you used to watch that you just like loved? like you know either the way someone took a stunner or like are there any things in particular anyone in particular you love their style of selling oh man let me see let me think let me think because that's actually a great nobody has ever asked me that question that's actually a fire question because because because they're you know to me i'll let you think about it not because i have a little thing here like to me the most underrated and i know this is a weird word to associate with this person hogan to me is the most underrated seller only in that to me that's what made him that's what made his matches great to me like if you really do the math right like as we all know hulk hogan didn't do that many things but the selling made you believe this guy's about to die like he can't win this match like if you go back and watch even Mania 3, right?

30:02The most classic. You remember at the beginning of Mania 3, he goes for the slam on Andre and Andre falls on him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, in that moment, I remember like... Oh, it's over? It's over. And he barely gets out from under the pin because Andre obviously couldn't move that well. So Hogan slides up. And any time people would go to his back, the way he would hold his back, and I just feel like that is one of those things when you try to understand what was it about that time that made those things feel so special yeah the leg drop was cool all those things were cool really it's that even at 6 '6", whatever he was he made you believe he could lose matches facts, facts, facts and that to me is special but there are so many people like who are just great at it.

30:50No for sure I think for me of course you know Dolph Ziggler is just great. He's phenomenal at selling.

31:06Roman. Roman is great at selling too. By the way, it's a great take. He really is. Roman's a great seller. For sure. Most definitely. And then thinking about the OG. Great seller. Underrated seller. or seller I'm sorry current angle bro yo that's a great call too that's a great call too and it's interesting that the people you mentioned like Dolph is being slightly different Dolph is like he's more in your category of just super athletic that's not his but the other guys you mentioned angle and Roman are guys that on paper you could say these guys should never lose right these guys should never lose like if that I don't know how you felt to me Seth and Roman just had an absolute classic yeah for sure yeah that was an instant classic to me and and part of that to me is exactly what you said roman makes you feel like he legitimately is about to lose like you start to believe like oh this is even though you've seen him win time and time and time again he makes you believe he's about to lose yeah that bro that's crazy bro i'm getting goosebumps dog well my fans My fan is on, but, you know, still.

32:20Did you, but you did, you did, you had a moment. Did you like, were you able to sit back and watch Seth and Roman? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was out there watching it. Oh, you went out and watched? Yeah, I had to. I literally grew up watching that whole story, you know? So, like, I feel like when I went out there, it was like me being a fan again. I was just, like, smiling the whole time, you know? locked into the match. It was great. Such a great feeling, bro. I really didn't, and for me, and I hope this is true, I hope it's not the end. I hope they're focused on that was the end of the Shield story, but I hope it's not the end of the Seth Romans.

33:04I feel like they need a Mania match to end the whole thing. They're that kind of rivalry to me. Okay. I can see that. I love you feel like... Oh, no. I feel like Like, because at first the whole, like, main thing was, like, Roman couldn't beat Seth. But now Roman finally beat Seth. Now it's, like. Is it over to you? And that because he did? I don't know if it's over, but I just don't know, like, where they would go after, you know? So, so, so it's funny that you bring this up. Like, I was having this argument, like, all SummerSlam weekend. Uh-huh. I, I'm, I agree with you. And that's why I was saying I thought Seth should win.

33:51Because I thought for Seth to get even another one stretches that thing even longer to then when Roman eventually ends it, it's at WrestleMania and it's the last time. And that's it. That was, but there are other people who saw it differently. And you know, as I joke about, there are hardcore Roman fans don't ever think Roman should lose a match ever in life. Like he should just perpetually be undefeated. Whereas I'm a believer. I want all my characters that I root for to have, you know, what is their why? Well, what is the thing that drives them? Because like Roman being perfect, if you're just perfect, you got, you're the best looking.

34:36You beat everybody, you know, in the best shape, the, the hair, the swag, the, like the aura. Yeah. you have to have some sort of thing that's making it a challenge for you that's what we need to root for so to me i like the idea that seth would just be this thorn in his side yeah yeah and however it were to happen you know i thought that would have been cool to extend it however you know there are some people who believe that could have been the end of the shield story and they still have their thing but to your point to me it's it's tough to go back to it after the way roman they had the moment of respect right right right but but jvon i'm not gonna lie i kind of thought at the end when they put their hands in i i thought they were gonna play the shield music at the end i thought that would have been tough i thought they were gonna hit it but they didn't Oh, that would have been tough.

35:38But that's prime time of your era, huh? The whole SHIELD debut. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bro, that's... I remember... I remember them just beating up everybody. My favorite SHIELD moment, actually, was when Mark Henry was on the mic. He was talking about something, and then the SHIELD came out. And at this time, bro, whenever the SHIELD came out, like you're done you know i mean like it's wraps right oh yeah yeah yeah you're getting just the beats yeah yeah yeah correct so they came down and started jumping them but he started fighting back and that was the first time like anybody started fighting back on the shield and i was like bro mark harry's about to fight like it's about to be done like oh bro all right cool mark like do your thing and then i think they hit him with like a spear and i was like oh then through the table.

36:33But that was like my first time like actually falling for a whole spot. But by the way, Mark is good at that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a killer at that too because he's had a couple of those moments. So wait, if you were super in in the Shield era, that makes me feel like you were also super in in the Enzo and Cass era. Yeah. I mean, at that time, bro, they were the hottest thing smoking tag team wise for a moment. For sure. For sure. They had their own swag. I mean, come on, bro. They had the full routine. Everybody knew every word. Famously once, even without a microphone. Bro, they had the drip.

37:23The drip, bro. Enzo's drip was crazy. Enzo had the sick Jordans. Yeah, bro. They had it. Now, somehow, the wrestling gods have decided that 10 years later, Cass would be somehow the same guy except like five times as Jack's. Yep. And decide that he just wants to show up and pummel you every single week. So what has that experience been like for you? and how upsetting is it when they go hey Big Cass is back and you go oh that's cool I watched him as a kid and then they go he's about to whoop your ass every week how's that experience been well honestly the experience has been it's been great because it's finally having me show like an aggressive side that I have, you know, like a lot of people don't know that I have that side because I'm just, you know, a happy kid, you know, living in a dream that can wrestle.

38:39Yeah. You know, like he's just cool. Like, and, uh, but a lot of people don't understand that. Like I'm a, you know, I'm an actual person, you know what I mean? So like, I think being in this, in this situation has helped me show everybody that there's, you know, there's a nice guy, and then there's, you know, not a nice guy, you know? You know what I mean? God, bad guy, good guy, you know? So it's sort of what we were talking about in terms of the Roman character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't just have, you know, I'm glad you said that, actually, because to me, I think for those of us who could see, all you need to have is, you know, decent vision, and you can tell from the second they see you that the in-ring part is fire.

39:31Like, that goes without saying. And I'm not just saying that because you're here. I think you know that to be true by now. I appreciate it. The next step is, well, who is he? You know what I mean? What is, because to your point, bouncy, fun, young OG, it's a great way to get acclimated and for people to have things they stick to and to have kids be excited and run out and want to touch you. But to your point, as a guy now who's been doing this, who's been at the wrestling part of it for, you know, pushing near a decade, you know what I mean? Really, you want to have that character. You want to have something that can really.

40:11So it seemed like even in the weeks leading up to Cass showing up, you started showing more, you know, and Cole started talking about it on commentary. Cole and Graves would allude to we're starting to see a different side of Javon Evans. Was this was this something that came from you? Was it a conversation with others? Is it a collective thing? Like, hey, let's push the gas a little bit and start to take this character to the next place. Yeah, no, it was just something that I personally wanted to do. I felt like when I got to main roster, I kind of just lost myself, you know, because I was trying to – I understood that I was wrestling in front of, like, a newer crowd, you know?

41:06And so I wanted to kind of just be like, all right, cool. You know, well, I'm just like this fun kid that's living a dream, you know. But that's not how I was in NXT, you know, especially after the Ethan Page situation where you broke my jaw. Like, after that, it was kind of like I was this kid that had a side that, you know, he can throw hands. He can do all the flippy stuff too, but when it's time to throw hands, he can do that too, you know. but I didn't have that going into Raw you know going into getting called up so once I kind of had that feeling where I was like alright maybe what am I doing wrong I was like well I'm not myself you know and after that I feel like once I started adding those little points and matches where somebody's trying to you know wake me up or you know being disrespectful like they're getting too comfortable then it's like all right now we about to throw hands because nobody likes to be disrespected you know nobody likes to be slapped in the face and stuff like that you know no no so yeah it's really up to me it was up to me and and um how what how has there been dealing with someone of of cast is like power like it does feel like there are moments when you've been slammed down on the met and it's just like damn bro you know no matter how much you know what's going on some of it just looks like none of that's just bad like none of that or is like the adrenaline so high and it's so built into your dna now that like you don't recognize it as hurting particularly when it happens yeah exactly exactly i've been doing it for you know a long time so i feel like my body has gotten used to it, you know, there are still certain things that, you know, do hurt, you know, you take a bump the wrong way, it's like, oh, okay, you know, but yeah, and sometimes people don't think about it, but like, when we do like European tours, like, we go out of the country, you know, we have a different ring, you know, so like, sometimes rings are stiffer than the usual, you know, depending on where we're at.

43:19You feel me? So it kind of just, you know, depends on the situation, but mainly my body's not used to it. So are there times, at times, is it sometimes the adrenaline's high, you're running, you're, you're just running, running, running. And then afterwards, when you get back and calm down, will you realize that a spot may have hurt a little bit more than you processed it at in the moment? Oh, like your, like your, like your body will be like, Oh, what's that from? yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure for sure like you just start finding stuff you're like oh got bruised how long did it take how long did it take though like you were a kid you were bro you were a teenager figuring this out yeah like how long did it like at first it had to hurt a lot right like doesn't even the most basic bumps hurt the first time around yes yes um but when I started training we was training so often that like i i don't know my body was just like we would train tuesdays thursdays uh and sundays and then we have shows on fridays and saturdays or and or fridays and saturdays and then so like i will always like constantly you know be taking bumps or training but now what percentage of not not exact numbers of course But like what percentage of that time was it you and Jackson specifically working together?

44:46Were you guys together every day training or just like most of, you know what I'm saying? Were you the only kids or were there other people as young as you there too? No, we were the only kids. So were you guys matched up all the time? Yeah, just about. But once our trainer started to see that we was doing that, then he would separate us. because he, you know, our trainer would want us to, LeBron Cousin, shout out to LeBron Cousin, he would want us to be able to work any and everybody, not just be married to somebody in the ring, you know what I mean? Because then you would have magic with that person every time, but you get with someone else and you're lost.

45:28Exactly, exactly. And as a wrestler, you just want to be able to be in the ring and be able to work with any and everybody, just depend on the situation because you never know what could happen. You know what I mean? So our trainer was training us for that. But during that time, we will always work together. Always. How, like, how hyped will you be if and when the news comes that Jackson Drake is moving to Raw? And obviously, he's only been on NXT now for, you know, four or five months, whatever it is. Yeah. But, like, what would, like, just for you, When you hear that, how exciting would that be for you?

46:08Oh, bro, I would be so high, bro. Then I would see him every week. People don't know, that's actually my best friend. That's my day one dog. Every time I think, bro, we used to hang out all the time. And when I got signed, then, of course, I had to move here to Florida. So then it was like we never saw each other. You know what I mean? Like, I would try to come to Greensboro, but then he'll be, like, booked somewhere else, you know? So, like, you know, that's my day one dog. But whenever he pulls up to Raw, bro, it's going to be insane. It's going to be tired. And how easy, like, so if they come up to you guys and say, hey, you know, Jackson's been on TV a few weeks, and they go, you know, it's like, seg whatever.

46:58However, Javon Evans, Jackson Drake, one-on-one match. How easy would that be for you guys to go do? Like, is it the kind of thing that's so built in? Like, can you give us a comp? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's such a unique thing. Like, y 'all are artists, but you know particularly how to paint together. Bro, honestly, we haven't worked each other in a long time. So, we got to see if we still got it. You know, you know. You got to see if we still got it. No, but honestly, yeah, we could get in the ring and we could probably give you an hour-long match. No lie. Like, we've done it before.

47:39Like, we've just gone to the ring and started wrestling and whatever happens, happens, you know? It's one of the things that I think fascinates those of us who don't know how to wrestle the most about the sport is the way that you guys just know the sort of intuition of it is one of the craziest things. All right. Speaking of intuition, I want to keep you for one more segment because we got to talk some about this Luchadors tournament and the Lucha Bros specifically. Yeah. The dream match is finally happening. So we're going to talk about that with the young OG, Javon Evans, hanging out. Hour two of G.P.

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48:43Let me call the number. Welcome back to G.P. Live. It is WWE Radio. Happy weekend, everyone. this, let's see. Man, it's still another week till Sunday Night's Main Event, man. Yeah, man. And we'll see what happens with the young OG, Javon Evans. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I wonder, you'd like to go down to Atlanta and be a part of Sunday Night's Main Event, no? I would love to. I mean, honestly, I think I'm gonna go anyway just because my boy Yachty in his first match, I think I had to pull up. Yeah, it's kind of a moment in time. First match for Yachty is going to be crazy. By the way, how cool is it and how cool was it for you when you realized Yachty's really showing up like one of the boys every week?

49:31Like, no entourage, no craziness. Like, how cool was that for you? Bro, it's insane. I feel like, so we were cool before he started doing stuff with WWE. That was just, you know. Because he's a fan. Yeah, yeah, he's a fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm a fan of his music. I was playing his music, you know, in middle school. You know what I mean? So, like, I was always a fan of his. So, we started clicking off. And then he started doing stuff with WWE out of nowhere. And I'm like, yo, what's the word? What are we doing? Come on, you know? That's crazy. And now the dude literally rolls up. Like, there are times where he really rolls up with Trick, like his manager.

50:17Yeah, literally. it's just it's it's it's one of the coolest things that i've ever seen he's been so committed to it and obviously everyone respects the work that he's putting in or he wouldn't be in a match yeah at sunday night's main event um now we're also on again let me get my timeline straight so that's next sunday we're also just a couple of weeks out from mexico city and roman reigns defending against the winner of this Luchadores tournament. First of all, have you had a favorite match so far? Have you gotten a chance? Obviously, they've been happening on Raw. Have you gotten a chance to watch a bunch of these matches?

51:01Not really. Just because I've been so focused on big cast and, you know, trying to do what I need to do with that. But the most recent one, was it Dragon in Phoenix? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I saw that one. That was crazy. That was crazy. You saw the spot, the Dragon Lee, like, threw the ropes to the table? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. Bro, like, as someone who jumps through the ropes, a move, by the way, that always makes me nervous and freaks me out because too many people cut it too close. Yeah. Like, how crazy is it to have that sort of body control to do that? It's pretty insane if you really think about it.

51:54Because when I do it, I don't even know how I do it, you know? In my head, I'd be like, all right, I'm just going to jump through the ropes, you know? And then, like, I just do it. I don't clip nothing. Jag and Lee is a freak, bro. That guy physically is... Bro, he's... I've been in the ring with him. Great athlete. I've seen most of his matches. Same thing with Phoenix. I used to watch Phoenix all the time growing up because I wanted to steal some of his moves off the ropes. And then same thing with Penta. Like, bro, it's crazy. I say it all the time, but everybody that I grew up watching, like they're my co-workers and I tell them all that I tell them all the time but it's it's all it's insane right it's great and and and now we got Penta and Ray Phoenix in the final um the winner will take on Roman we just talked about you know what it could be like for you one day to get to wrestle against Jackson Drake I can't imagine for Penta and Ray Phoenix on this stage to get to have this moment is going to be such an incredible, incredible thing for them.

53:09Do you have any thoughts on how you see this match playing out? Like, who do you see getting the title? Ultimately, it's about who do we see having the title match with Roman, right? Who is going to be the guy? And I guess my lazy brain defaults to, I would imagine it's Penta, who has been sort of the guy at this point in the Lucha Division for a minute. And, you know, he has been so popular. So from a popularity standpoint, I just end up imagining it's Mexico City. We see Penta and Roman Reigns. But who knows? Maybe it's not time for that yet. What do you think we end up seeing? I agree with you.

53:48I think it's going to be Penta and Roman.

53:54and I'm kind of I don't know though because I can see Ray doing like a surprise like a shock win like you just never know yeah and you never know what the logic is here I mean like listen the beautiful part about wrestling is you never know what's going to happen and by the way let me just be clear I don't want to speak for you Javon but I think I can say pretty safely but that y 'all are each in your own world and you have no idea what the hell is happening with this tournament and Roman Reigns. Yeah, for sure, for sure. I don't know what's going on in the tournament. Nobody, just so you're clear, unless you're really tight with someone who's involved, you probably don't have any clue of what the hell's going on.

54:37People just are too busy doing their own thing. So we're both just fans. But to me, maybe the logic would be more, hey, we're not, you know, Roman's not losing the title at this point. We just want to put on a banger in Mexico City. Maybe it makes more sense for it to end up being Ray Phoenix in that spot with Roman. And maybe you don't want to have Penta lose to Roman Reigns in Mexico. I don't know. There's so many different ways you can slice it. But that's the beauty of wrestling. And the fact that they're brothers, everything is off. Like anything could happen with his brothers. Yeah, facts.

55:12You can't even really call it an upset with his brothers because they know each other too well. Yeah. Everything is scouted. So, like, I don't ever view it as, like, if Ray Phoenix were to beat Penta, it's a big upset. Absolutely not. These guys have wrestled 10 ,000 times since they were babies. Right. So that's going to be – it's going to be a lot of fun. That's going to be a crazy weekend. Do you ever – have you gotten to watch any AAA? A little bit. Very little bit. Very little bit. Did you, um, it, the, the, the stuff that I've gotten to sit back and watch and obviously, you know, the grande Americano thing was an incredible story.

55:51And now him and Dom will have their match coming up at triple mania, of course. But like, man, when you see those crowds and that intensity, is there, is there any part of you that would be like, yo, let the young OG throw on a mask one day and go down to go down to AAA for a minute. Yeah. So I went to, I went to AAA twice. And what was the, what was the experience like? It was great, dog. It was great. I love AAA. I love AAA, bro. I went out there because, you know, my first time wrestling in Mexico, bro, I didn't know the response I was going to get, you know. And then I went out there, my music played, and it was like, oh, okay, I might be a little famous.

56:37You know what I mean? I might be a little famous now, a little something. I don't know. Oh, wait, so you had an Octagon Junior match? Yep. And you had a Laredo Kid cartwheel triple threat? Yep. Where would you put the Mexico crowd, where would you put that in your favorite international crowds you've been in front of so far? Probably number two. Oh, what's number one? Poland. Poland is number one. Poland. Bro, Poland was the craziest crowd I've ever wrestled in front of. Who did you work in Poland? It was me versus Brinebreaker, and then it turned to me and Punk versus Brinebreaker and Bronson Reed.

57:36And what made the crowd so electric? but the the the i don't even know but okay so i think we haven't been there in like 14 or 15 years or something like that okay so we came back for this was this was in warsaw i believe so okay we're gonna try to find i believe so all right um but yeah yeah we we came back we had a lot of it and it was bro the energy was insane like everybody on that tour That was the... No, you weren't in Warsaw this time. You were in Gdansk. Gdansk. It's G-D-A-N with the little thing over it. S-K. And listen, as a child of a Polish family, I apologize. I got no clue. And the last time, just to add, And the last time they had been there was they were in Warsaw, but that was back in 2015.

58:41Okay, okay, okay. So 10 years. So from jump, it was just on fire. Oh, yeah. The energy was insane. Wild. How much do you enjoy the live event versus the TV event? Like, removing the stakes of it all. What's your preference? Like, what vibe is easier, better to work in? I mean, obviously the live event, you know, like you don't got to really worry about nothing. You're just having fun. But I feel like with me, I kind of just, I kind of have the same mindset everywhere. Like I want my match to be good, no matter if I'm having fun or like if I'm trying to get serious, you know what I mean? Like it's just, I just got to have a great match, you know?

59:30So, yeah, it doesn't really matter to me, honestly. Do you notice, do you feel the energy that I feel? I'm just curious from your standpoint. Obviously, you're much younger than me. I always feel like when I walk into a live event, and I've been to a few this year,

59:48the lack of lights and pyro make it feel so old school and in its essence. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure, for sure. Like it goes from like, you know, especially with how often now that we're at these stadiums where it's just like so big and produced and it's amazing yeah don't don't get me wrong but when you were that you guys could be at and this just happened there you got summer slam one week and it's the biggest thing in the world at a stadium and then like a week later the show i went to was in fairfax virginia uh in front of like 3 ,000 people, no lights, no pyro, and you're just immediately reminded of what the essence of the whole thing is.

1:00:33Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great feel. It's a great look, too. And it's like, the only lights that are on is the lights on the ring. It is great. It ooves, fire. And are you able to, does that affect, how much does lighting like that affect what you're able to see of the crowd? And, like, does that have an impact on you when you can see every single person versus it's kind of dark everywhere and you guys can just see each other? Kind of. Like, for me, no. It doesn't, you know, it doesn't really matter. I've wrestled in front of... Now I can say I've wrestled in front of 80 ,000 and I've wrestled in front of eight people.

1:01:19You know what I mean? So, you know, the people don't really make a difference for me. As long as everybody's having a good time and enjoying my match, then I'm doing my job. Have you literally, let me ask the question, have you literally wrestled in front of eight people? Yes. I've literally wrestled, I've probably, least amount of people I've ever wrestled in front of was like three or four. Yeah.

1:02:17yeah i think so i because i don't know actually i don't know because it is i would just imagine there's a little bit of discomfort when you know literally they hear you breathing they if you talk too loud if you say something too loud they hear every word you're saying and yet you still have to try to put on the best show for the 20 people that showed up yeah yeah it's a it's you picked a very um interesting world javon i did and i am i am happy and glad and blessed that i picked this world how much how much does your family at we talked about this some in in saudi but like how much does your family fully understand the business um they understand the the basic parts nothing nothing crazy you know nothing like nothing that like a wrestler would know kind of from what a wrestling parent would know.

1:03:17Okay, so like a wrestling parent though, they don't know what a hardcore wrestling fan knows either. No, not really, not really. Less than that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not like a hardcore wrestling fan, but they know of like the Attitude Era, the PG Era, of course.

1:03:41But they're not trying to get inside the, they're not trying to get inside the details with you? No, not really, unless they ask something, but I won't tell them. I won't tell them. When Ethan broke my jaw, I didn't tell them. You didn't tell them that your jaw was broken, period? No. So you let them think that this could have just been TV and everything's fine? Yeah. Now, is that because you just want to work your family, or is that because you just don't want them to be upset? uh no i just want to work with my family yeah

1:04:19what now do you have any like uh are there any like cousins or more extended family who are like big big fans yeah yeah for sure for sure yeah i got i got some cousins in new york yeah really and how dope is that how how fun is that oh it's it's it's great it's great because they they were like they were trying to give me like advice like hey bro you need to do this cause like like back in the day they didn't do this like it's pretty it's funny because they have so much knowledge you know so like they just try to like put me up to game and I'm like bro oh so they're your older cousins yeah yeah yeah that's even better that's even better and have you gotten to like get them tickets and see them mark out and enjoy the show Yeah, I got them some NXT tickets when me and Ethan did the street fight.

1:05:13And then I think they went to one more. I think they went to me and Leon versus Dark State, I think. Because I think that was – was that the night after SmackDown? No, no, no, no, no. Raw. Somewhere. But, yeah, they saw me wrestling. did uh you real quick you mentioned ethan page and we were just talking and we were just talking about live events ethan page in my opinion at this at this point in time is a guy who's like you know developing who his character is on on big tv right like on smackdown people getting familiar um and and he's doing the work like y 'all you guys all have you know different um a sense as we talked about right yeah like there's oba's journey there's there's your journey there's trick's journey there's ricky and ethan's journey right every everybody's journey is different and uh all of you are great in your own way that live event that i went to in fairfax ethan and ricky are who really jumped out to me at that show because it was the it was the first time i got to watch them work yeah yeah you know what i mean because on tv you're seeing a little thing here or there but at the live events you're getting to see them actually work work yeah yeah and and and they were both such supremely hateable a-holes to the crowd you know what i mean like and it really made i don't know it was very interesting to me because like you know i didn't watch everything that you did with ethan and nxt i've seen pieces here and there of ethan throughout the last couple of years watching him work a match truly in person really let me see what is there um and and ricky who i have more familiarity with i would still i would say the same thing i was just like bro they were they were coming up with chance you know ricky was in a tag, Ricky was in a tag match with Gunther against Punk and Cody in the main, in Fairfax.

1:07:29Oh, it was great. It was great. And this was right after SummerSlam. So, you know, Punk and Cody are, you know, like, they're doing the sort of weird, you know, respectful tag thing. yeah yeah yeah but that the energy that took over was ricky saints like he in that match the the crowd started coming up with different chants just to boo him that's and like and to me i'm like that that is someone who understands it yeah you talked you talked earlier about elevating your character it is very hard i think for any of us to picture you being a bad guy is that something you would enjoy doing and has it been something you've done in your past?

1:08:16Yes. Yeah. I actually, uh, I was a bad guy in my past and I was a very, very good bad guy. Uh, a lot of people, a lot of people would say, yeah. Really? And you, and how much did you enjoy it? Oh, I loved it. I loved it. Uh, because it was easy to, to get people to not like me And then it's easy to make my opponent look great. You know? Oh, yeah. That's such a great point. You have the skill set for that. Exactly. Your skill set is more realistic as a shit-eating heel who's getting his ass beat. Exactly. Because you can fly all over the place. You can do all the things. Exactly. But then, like – But your high-flying stuff doesn't work the same way, unfortunately.

1:09:11Right. But a lot of people don't know that. Like, I don't – like, as a heel, I don't really do, like, high-flying things. Like, I just stick to talking crazy to the fans, talking crazy to my opponent, and then doing the moves that I know that will get me to win. Right, exactly. You're not taking any risks. You're not trying to impress anybody. Yeah, nah. You're just doing what needs to be done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, bro, my – bro, as a heel, I was just a kid that, like, everybody as a heel i'm just a kid that is confident and cocky right and everybody knows that he's the best he knows he's the best right so he's gonna throw that into y 'all's face and like no nobody likes exactly exactly so yeah not about me as a heel a lot of people it's like a lot of videos out there about like like jay malikala core or whatever like it's pretty yeah it's out there all right because it is it is a it is an interesting thing to think about and i just think one of the things i've always noticed is that for a lot of very talented wrestlers being a good guy for a long time um and i think i could say i don't think this is speaking out of school i i remember specifically becky lynch telling me years ago long before her run of the last year even though now she's you know coming back to the good side it feels um before she went on the you know everybody's saying it it's not just me saying it before she went on that run she was just talking about how tiring it is to have to try to get everyone to be all you know to be so swell yeah like because it's it's such a fine line that if you try too hard to be likable it kind of can feel unlikable exactly and then you naturally want to go to the other side so like you know one of the things i've always given cody his flowers for is how long you know and people will talk about oh i heard some booze here some booze there bro in the broad i've been in a lot of i've been in a lot of arenas for the most part the amount of cheers that that guy has consistently gotten on a large scale for now four years straight that's hard yeah that's that's wild that's od that's it's like it's a crazy it's so hard to be able to because we live in an hour where people want to cheer for the bad guy right so to be cheered and again you are a straight up you know i i you're a white meat baby face in the purest sense of the word like smiling happy jumps high kids love them all the things yeah and you and you've been crushing it but yeah i could see now when i see you now with the gold teeth in and the little like oh i see why there's some extra it must feel good to get to go to some different yeah yeah for sure for sure for sure and they're allowing me to you know show that side of me so it's it's it's very very well like i feel like because of that now we can start you know build into other things you know and and layers yeah um well listen i look forward to maybe one day my daughter's only a year and a half right now but maybe one day you know my daughter will be cursed out by you in the front row who knows oh yeah hey you never know you know maybe she's cursing me out right that's exactly right we we don't know anything's possible in wwe um hey uh javon thanks for hanging out for the show bro this has been super cool i think everyone's got to enjoy getting to see this side of you and just hang out and talk some wrestling Thank you, man.

1:12:51Thank you. I would love to come back. This is great. Bro, you have an open door policy anytime you want. That is the young OG, Javon Evans. You'll see him on Monday night, of course. I'm going to bring in a good friend of mine in a moment. My guy DJ Money is about to jump on. Big hip-hop manager and wrestling fan. And we're going to talk a lot more about what's been happening the last couple of weeks and what is coming up as we head towards Sunday night's main event next week. and then we'll just be a couple of days out from the Roman Reigns winner of the Lucha Tournament, et cetera, et cetera.

1:13:24So a lot more to do right here on Sheep Beat Live on WWE Radio. They may tear you limb from limb. I'm gonna tear you limb from limb. They may fight you to the end. We're gonna fight you to the end. They may even call you names. You're dumb. You're stupid. These guys know how to hit where it really hurts. Yee-haw! Believe me, folks, they do not all come like that. Oh, but they do. and you love it. WWF Primetime Wrestling Monday at 9 and All-American Wrestling tomorrow at noon, only on USA. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Cheap Heat Live, WW Radio. Big shout out to Javon Evans, man. What a great kid.

1:14:04It has been fun to sort of be on this journey watching Javon turn into the star that he's turned into and also see like watching him develop you know throughout these interviews um talking to him in recent time like he's just really he's come a long way man like step by step he's he's he's starting to learn the whole thing i think he really put us on to some interesting stuff with regard to you know how he sees his character and the and the character developing as well um there's still a bunch of other things that I want to get into that we really didn't talk about in real detail. And so, you know, Dip and SGG betrayed me today.

1:14:50Good for nothing friends who can't be counted on. Though Dip did fly business class to London. So we're going to be very excited to get Dip's Lufthansa business class review. Someone who I know has definitely flown business class, but probably Lufthansa is the great DJ Money. What's up, man? Money, you ever done a business class on Lufthansa? Not on Lufthansa, but I've definitely done business class and first class, of course. You know what I'm saying? You know, sometimes, sometimes. I mean, here and there depends. Yeah, here and there. So DJ Money, how do I describe you to the world? DJ, producer, manager?

1:15:30Yeah, I guess. I do manage artists. So yeah, I manage. I manage. You manage a thing. You manage to manage here and there. um and and you're also a a huge wrestling fan absolutely absolutely i've ran i've ran into you a few times at a few places anyway so so money you hit me um you're you're a passionate fan you're you're listening to wwe radio these days yeah i am this is it's been real fun and i felt i felt weird because i'm i'm calling calling into other other shows and i and i mean you go back so i'm like yo you're calling into other shows you haven't hit me yet yeah that's crazy i felt crazy I'm not gonna lie I was like I was like oh Peter it's kind of disrespect I felt bad I felt bad I'm not gonna lie I'm not gonna well listen you're you're here now yes so um one of the things you brought up I only mentioned at the top of the show yeah but we I haven't gotten a chance into it to get into it into it um and that is Royce Keys um sending that raw main event you know into chaos yes um and you know bringing out otm as now what appears to be like a faction of sorts is it is it a 2.0 a lot i'm hearing a lot of 2.0 talk i don't want to say the name i don't i feel like i feel like it's too early to act like they are like 2.0 roman and and and seth i feel like it's too early to say that but the impact of how it felt kind of felt like the first time we saw them in my in my am I am I wrong to say that no I think I saw Sam saying something about you know comping it between the shield and Nexus um yeah you know feel wise in terms because they went really big yes like yes they went really big with like the level of destruction the level of turmoil and destruction was extremely high yes it was high um now were you were you in on OTM prior to this I have seen them and but i'm not gonna lie i'm not a huge like nxt aficionado of course you know i'm saying um i have watched it more but i i knew of them but i haven't really seen a bunch of matches and stuff like that but i i knew who they were when they came out but i i wasn't aware of their relationship prior with roy though until you know of course you know they mentioned it on on broadcast so so how how again did cole specifically mention their manager they said that they're from the bay yes They said they're from the Bay and I believe one of them, I believe one, one of them like work with them or, or like did matches with, with Roy prior.

1:18:06And of course, you know, when he yelled out Hobbs, I was crying laughing. You know, that was like the, the, the, the, that was hilarious to me. I'm sorry. I got to say, everyone loves, everyone loves those moments. Those little inside. It's Hobbs. I said, Oh, so we're back. I was like, Oh, we're back. Who's saying it all now. So, so OTM out the mud. They've, They've been around now NXT for a minute. I also was calling some of their matches in Evolve. They did an Evolve run briefly. But they weren't always together, though. No. Okay. No, no, no. They're a stable. Okay. You know, Bronco and Lucien.

1:18:46Okay. And we're running with Jada Parker. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So there's a lot there. I didn't know. I'll be honest. I didn't know the history, too. Let me see Bronco Neiman. Oh, so Bronco is legit. That's a shoot from Oakland, California. Yeah, he's from Oakland. And played as an offensive lineman. Went to Monterey Peninsula College before going to Idaho. Okay. And then went to NXT in 2022 and did some AAA also this year. And now, of course, appeared on Raw. So are we going to get a name? Is this going to help? So this is my thing with Roy Keyes. I felt like personally he is really he was on the cusp of you know upper mid card kind of vibe he could definitely break through but once once he got take take like taken out I was unsure like where this was gonna go but now it's like it really feels like they're about to run shop that's what it feels like it feels like this could be a big time for him you know and and and and you know Jacob kind of awakened something you know I'm saying so so it was it was incredible incredible to see like no we're taking everybody out like yes we're taking out stand-up sokoa we're taking out l l l like l a night we take it out everybody you know yeah that that's what gave it that really big feel to me yeah i think that's what made it hit was the fact that when everybody's in danger you know i mean that's what made it feel crazy you feel good and and they are jack both of them are jack all three of them all three is like i'm gonna say all three of them i mean And that's sort of what makes it exciting is that all three are so crazy.

1:20:26But I am super excited for Royce because there was a little bit of stop and start with the beginning for Royce Keys, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, from the very beginning, bro, he showed up at the Royal Rumble. And I don't know if you remember this. Do you remember that his Tron said powerhouse Hobbs when he showed up? No. And I think they did that just to let folks know because now, unfortunately, you know, I don't want to get into the music thing. but you know you know how we feel about the music now i think that now it's like since the music is so different you have to kind of let the crowd know who's kind of this is who it is before it comes and then they change and then he immediately changed to royce keys yeah but then but then post rumble he kind of just like was kind of like well where's where are we going yeah then they started then they came back and gave us five to some of those yeah well no they gave us the vignettes remember those like the the early life vignettes that really warm people up he went on steph's We went on Steph's podcast.

1:21:21We got a lot of that. We got a lot of that. So yeah. Got very personal there. Then they, now they have the him and Fatou have their history. Yes. So I guess the question that I have is though, so like, where does this go? Is this like, it's just them against everybody? I feel, it feels very Survivor Series. It feels like this could get to Survivor Series. This is the first time I feel like we have a threat that the bloodline could like be a little bit in trouble with multiple folks. right because i feel like every time they will we always say strength in numbers right this is the first time they've come out somebody has come out rec shop and they don't care who who it is right so now it's like do we uh is everyone going to be a kind of against this faction does is this something that roman and jacob have to really worry about like and jacob you know he's going to look at it very differently because of course he has a history with with him so it's like he know what to do well and he wasn't and he wasn't allowed to be out there yeah he wasn't allowed to be so so he they they can't really say to him you why did why didn't you get wrong you told us you told you told me to stay in the back you told me stay in the back i listened to you so now what you know i'm saying it leaves the door open for a lot and one of the things we were discussing last week was you know it's complicated now because you had the the end of raw two weeks ago not this past not this past week the one before that Roman gives the Ulafalas to the Usos not to Jacob but Jacob had one already though we have to stop acting like that didn't happen he did give one to Jacob prior but not a captain's one right but not a captain's one yes so I don't know I don't know what the first one was yeah I don't know what that one was either but that might that kind of felt like just a setup for what's his face to get beat up Yeah, you might have.

1:23:13The comedian who did the movie with John Cena, whose name I'm randomly spacing on right now. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, Eric Andre. Eric Andre. Like, was that, I don't know if that whole thing was done just because Eric Andre then messed with it and then Solo beat the hell out of him. Yes. But to that point, so Solo spikes Roman, but you also see that Jacob is kind of unhappy with the whole thing. He is. I find it a little bit to be, and I said this last week, I find it a little bit emotionally confusing. Okay. Explain. Because I just don't know Solo turned on Roman. Yeah. Jacob can't do anything. I kind of feel like Jacob is older than Solo, right?

1:24:02Am I? Yes, I believe so, yes. Maybe his loyalty to the family is different. I'm not sure. but I definitely agree with the fact of like, I said the same thing. I'm like, if you could just leave the bloodline, like why can't, why can't, why can't Jacob just leave the bloodline? Like, is there something that I'm missing? But you know what? Well, he does, but he does, by the way, he's only a year older than Solo. Okay. Jacob 34, Solo's 33. Okay. Okay. Um, but, but, but remember, I mean, so, um, Jacob does seem committed to his role with Roman. He just seemed disappointed. He seemed like just disappointed that, he named the Usos captains.

1:24:41He just doesn't like the Usos, essentially. Nah, I think, and it's really Jay it feels like. It really feels like him and Jay have something leading into it. I've been saying this for a long time because every time he says, I don't have to listen to y 'all, he always says, especially your punk ass. Especially your punk ass, Jay. He always emphatically makes sure you know, like, Jimmy, me and you are okay, but this one right here, I really don't like you. That's what it feels like. I'm not 100 % sure when it comes down to that, but I definitely feel like Solo is really in a place. First of all, I feel like if any time...

1:25:22I know we don't do short-lived title runs no more, and I miss that. I really do. I do miss the four-week run of like, oh, we gave the guy the belt for a second. Well, we just had one with Sammy. I mean, that was faster than that. But I feel like we knew that one. Right. I feel like we you mean ones that surprise you. You get a month run with someone you didn't expect at all. Solo, if any time we could do that right now, to me, Solo is the guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, of course, a good good four to six week run with Solo stand up. So, as I like to call them, you know, I think that I think it would be great right now.

1:26:01Like, you know, it takes the heat off of like off off of Cody and and give CM a different a different like breath to like talk to another person like Solo. You know, like I just I don't know. I just think that Solo right now is really in a great space. I don't I don't hate I don't I don't hate what you're saying. But haven't you noticed, Money? And we're talking to my good friend DJ Money. It's GP Live on WWE Radio. Haven't you noticed, though? and I just had this conversation with Javon Evans. Roman fans, they never think Roman should be without title for even a second. And that's crazy to me.

1:26:42It's like they don't even understand what the whole thing's about, bro. The idea that a character is good because the character constantly has the title never – bro, it's not Hulk Hogan in 1986 anymore. It's just not. And I get it because it's hard to see. We've seen him with the belt for so long. It's like buying an action figure of Roman without a championship, right? Like, it feels weird to not see him with the belt because we've seen him for so long. But I feel like we're really in a space where we don't – he doesn't necessarily always need the belt. Unless, like I said, I know we're leading up to him and Oba, right?

1:27:18Or possibly, you know, him and The Rock. You know, we're always going to throw that little – You never know. You never know. People have jumped all the way to Oba, but nobody knows. Yes, exactly, right? So, but outside of those things, there's a world where Solo could win it and Zilla could come in and make him lose it. Or there's a world where we can get it. We can have him for a moment, have it feel great. And then, you know, he gets to go back. But you know what? We know what we don't have, though, because Solo is clearly not Gucci with OTM Royce Keys. Obviously, yes. is that that could have been an interesting way for him to get the title off of Roman.

1:28:06That is true, too. That is true, too. You know, by having just such power in numbers. Yeah. You know, but the fun part about it is Solo gets to be the funny one still, and then you have muscle that's really scary. Because it's so interesting because Solo, don't forget, Solo was originally the enforcer of the bloodline. Exactly. He never spoke. Never spoke. Now we can't wait for him to speak. Now we can't wait for him to talk. When he did the Matrix this week, I'm telling you, I almost passed out. I was like, no, no. I was like, no, put the bet on him now. Put the bet on him right now. I love – listen, there are people who would absolutely freak out.

1:28:43I'll tell you what. Dip is not here today. I know for a fact Dip would love this. He is such a proponent of these shocking moments that just shake things up for a minute. Yeah, I love that. Just shake things up for a minute. And I think when are you going to be much hotter than Solo is at this time? And Roman, right now, Roman is going to have the winner of the Luchadors tournament. Which, by the way, none of us see him losing that match. Oh, of course not. But I will say this. The real finals is the Lucha Brothers. That's going to be amazing. But go ahead. I'm sorry. And that is the finals of the actual tournament, right?

1:29:26Because that's the winner. That's going to be such a treat. Either way, we get that. You don't expect, just because they're in Mexico City, they're not going to have Penta or Ray Phoenix with no story beat Roman for the title. I do not see it. It's not going to happen. Then where are we going? Are we going to then end up somehow back to LA night by the time we get to Money in the Bank? This is where I get back to the confusing part. You had all those people in the ring the other day. How are we going to make sense of Solo's got a beef? jacobs got a beef la night's got a beef now maybe royce keys and ot like it's just a lot happening around that picture we do old school and solo wins the belt and la night feels away and joins with royce keys in him is that is that a possibility like i i just feel like i listen i'm such a l like a la night fan i don't know if it'll ever happen for god bless him right i wanted to but I wanted to real bad but I'm not sure if it's gonna happen for him but I feel like I feel like you know and they're smart because it feels like every time he's about to it's like nope nope nope we're gonna we're gonna move we're gonna move it just a little bit this way and this is another time where it's like it should be night's time but solo so good can we get like a sammy kind of feel where it's like Solo wins the belt and Knight is like, I can't believe like I got looked over again.

1:30:57He's been very paranoid the last three, four weeks. Now you're not wrong. You're not wrong. They're very paranoid. It's a very interesting, the LA Knight thing is fascinating because LA Knight, we talk about this all the time. He's over like Rover. There are certain people who can't wait for him to not be over anymore. They think he's done, they're not into it. And yet he just stays over and over and over. Can I ask you a question? Can I wait real quick? That's your question. Who, and you've been watching wrestling for a long time. Give me someone who has been more over for this amount of time, for this long.

1:31:29Give me someone. And didn't get a title. You mean without the title? Without the title. That's an interesting question. So over for this amount of time, especially, by the way, as a babyface the entire time. As a babyface the entire time. Who has been over and not at the title? they gave every listen we can go to Big E we can go we can go Rey Mysterio they all got a chance at the title they just won't give him the title Daniel was how many years was it for Daniel Bryan no he got it pretty quick it was in a couple years it was like less than two years yeah that first title reign was quick it wasn't that long like that they waited and it's like he is who has been more over and not got the title I'll wait like that's what I'm saying like it is a fantastic question fantastic question I say this I'm like yo like I've not seen anybody this over for this long with endorsements big endorsements Slim Jim is forever we all know Slim Jim contracts they're forever they're going to keep him just for that money we know that Yeah, they got him in the Slim Jim spot Come on You know, he's, listen, he looks like a million bucks I understand, let me be clear I'm on both sides of this I understand the people who don't fully get it with LA Knight Right And I also understand people who are in Alright, so what's missing then?

1:33:04Tell me what's missing What do you feel, from a wrestling fan standpoint What do you feel like is missing That takes him out of the championship picture The title picture i'll give you a little bit of mic work sometimes he flumbles a little bit a little bit well no he he he you know i think i heard dave lagreca talking about this recently la night he does have a tendency that in big spots he might have a slight flub in the ring or on the mic he has like a little little flubber but nothing crazy never never it's not crazy he's just not flaw he's not flawless um no but that's okay that's not that's not what it is it's not a big i would actually say for me what holds him back and this is just my interpretation is that I have not felt the story yet that truly connects me to him outside of the fandom outside of the fandom what do you mean outside of like you know the Daniel Bryant we want him to be the guy fanfare yeah but that's starting to turn into what this is now that may be what the story becomes and what he needs which is it's really that fans are like you're our guy you've never won yeah but his whole bloodline thing to me the whole la night bloodline thing on la night side has been thin in terms of like why he's mad at them like their their beef just hasn't been based in anything except like i don't like you and I want to say insults about you and I want the title I think I think for a lot of people with LA Knight when he showed up and you remember this there was the big derivative talk yeah he's he's derivative he reminds us too much of Stone Cold he reminds us too much of The Rock right I think over time that faded for people and they can see that he is his own guy but to me yo man lean into the real life story more like i think i think in some cases like i think in the case of ko and punk they're doing too much real life story because it's like yeah but i need y 'all to tell me an interesting wrestling story like you're hinting at how much you don't like each other but give us a storyline whereas in the case of la night it's all been sort of just like a i don't like you story whereas like no bro la night Yo, I mean, come on, you're a DMV guy.

1:35:30LA Knight was in Maryland, bro. Maryland Championship Wrestling. Yeah. You know what I mean? And then he went TNA. NXT, fired from NXT, back to TNA. He has a journey. He does. Money, I don't think they lean into that part of it. Do you think it's because since they mentioned so much of him being a star, you know technically in those roles like what was his name beforehand when he was the man man the manager i forgot that his name max dupree max dupree yes you know i'm saying we it might not lean into the moments of this superstar of of la night so they might not want to go back to even remind fans of those times you know i'm saying like that might be a key but also i feel like there are other stories that they could do with him when it comes to i i like what they did with roman talking about his watch i i thought we was really about to go somewhere i really enjoyed that i said okay i like this because it's like it's levels to this superstarness like you know i'm saying it's levels to to this well and i like i like that his reaction has been i think you and your watches are stupid i buy cheap watches yeah and by the way they need to start selling the the oh they need to and and when he he hit him and threw his watch at him here's here's my watch here you go fire no that that's starting to get somewhere yeah maybe you're maybe you're right though but that's sort of part of what bothered me about the way that he's been branded the whole megastar thing i'm like but why why is he the megastar he's really not the megastar what he really is is the grinder he is he's he's and and if you look at him physically because i think one of the things you do have to really admire about ellie knight is the shape he's in like he's in he's just always in the best shape great oh he's 43 he's 43 years old that's crazy he's in great and you you could argue he has as good he is as good a body guy as anyone in the company like he's always always that dude like i would like to lean into the work that he puts in yeah a little bit more because it because you're right the story seems to be becoming the crowd being behind him thing so yeah maybe we need to just lean more into who he really is yeah i i agree with that but i feel like in any moment in time like i said for either one of for him or sokoa this is really the time like and i get it we're we're leading up to to you know to oba roman like i said but in the middle of that they can get a quick you know one of them can have a couple month run i'm super fine with that like and and also and this is what i say to the to the sam roberts and uh and many people out there i don't know why they're not coming to mind there are tons of them though yeah who the the roman never lose crowd right that was already his story once we did that story listen we did it 1500 days it what was it 12 let me get the exact number yeah what was he already did it yeah and i want to say to oba saying the big dog or whatever whatever that was this week i said oh i don't know if folks picked up on that when he said you know the big dog in 2015 the big dog or whoever that was when he said that i was like i said yo they're really setting this up nice i was like i like this no but let me it's crazy uh 1316 days oh wow exactly so so i say that to all of you who just go he can't lose he can't lose that story is done we did the never lose roman story this is another stage of his career that can involve something different like yo money it really frustrates me i really by by by the way some of his best mic work was without the title agreed agreed and by the way i say this as like a mega fan of roman like i need we need to normalized that adult wrestling fans can be fans of a guy and be okay with them losing like i i refuse to believe that as i'm 47 guys my fanship can't be based on whether they win or lose what is interesting to me week to week and to me and i don't know where you were and i just talked about this last hour with javon evans that was why i was in favor of seth winning against roman because i thought it could keep that thing going for longer i think the more interesting wrinkles you have with roman the more stories there are to tell and frankly i'm not ready for it to be over with roman so i want more stories to tell now he beat seth they put the shield story to bed yes cool so we move on from that the match was a masterpiece in my opinion it was definitely a great match it was it was beautiful to your point though so where do we go next with roman reigns to make this fascinating because this this version of the otc versus just the tc has to be different than the first time we told the story and so far it has been it's been different i really think him losing to stand up sokoa and the bloodline looking at him like wait a minute like you beat seth but you can't beat the younger brother that's a that's a conversation for him to lose at some point within the family oh it creates so much stuff there's there's it just give me more story because i guess that's where i keep coming back to is that in addition to the la night part of it not having enough la night i just don't think there's enough real meat between roman and la night whereas like roman within his family roman and solo but this version that's something that's And let's be real, let's just say it happens and Zilla has the championship, the NXT championship.

1:41:27Then that conversation is going to happen too. It's like all the young guys in the family are the world champs. And now the OTC is the only one without the belt. Fascinating. See, now we're talking. Now, are you a believer that there's any chance that this is being speculated? and we are now officially in you know when will cody turn season of course of course are you a believer that in his hometown a place that was so excited to his so uh important to his dad that cody could end up turning in atlanta at sunday night's main event i've been saying i want villain cody but i listen when he said this is not a spoiler i said okay I believe that it can happen do I think it's going to happen in Atlanta?

1:42:19No but I do believe it's going to happen for the years I really believe that I feel like in Atlanta we're all going to be looking for it too much I feel like I've already been looking for it too much and you know listen I was just I went to the live event in Fairfax and I thought he was still over like Rover is a baby face oh he is they still loved him you might catch some nights where you hear a boo here a boo there You know, some one European city will be harsher than another. But in general, I point this out. This man is way more cheered than percentage percentage wise than where John Cena was at the same point in his career.

1:43:02Cena at this same point was half booze. That was that's a good point. And that is a fact. I lived through it because if you look back, that would be like Cena. Oh, eight. Yeah. The boo birds were out already. yeah adults were all booing him already yeah they were sick of him the kids loved him but the kids loved him the adults booed him yeah cody cody percentage wise is still way way more that's not what it's about to me yeah to me it's about how great can you be and and villain cody it i think it is an industry shaping changing thing that would happen absolutely i i agree with you and And also, too, you know, I think that the Paul thing with him would definitely change the landscape.

1:43:48I don't want a faction. I don't want him to be in a faction. I will say that. But I do like him and Paul together because he's more believable as a villain with Paul. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to get too much into. And he's always had that. You know how he's always called him Mr. Heyman? Yes. He's always had that respect for him. That respect has always been there. He never, even when he's mad with whoever's, he's like, yo, he's like, of course you have your wise man. You know, like he always gives him a little bit of props. So I'm not upset at that. I'm not upset at that. But I do think it's going to happen before the years up.

1:44:22I really believe that. I really believe that. That's a very interesting nuance, though, that you pointed out, Money, because you're right. If you do it through the Heyman lens specifically, it's a seed that they've been planting in some ways forever. It's cleaner and it's cleaner. It doesn't feel forced. because we all know once he once the wise man gets in your ear you know you look at things a little differently you know i'm saying what do you think what do you think what do you think goes on with hayman um with the in the brawn of it all where do you think we land with the hayman brawn you think in the end this is all a ruse i think it's all wrong or trying to take out i think it might be a ruse or he might really be he might really when he loses he might just walk away from braun and be like see i something told me you weren't the guy you know i'm saying like so now what it's what a tough spot that is to put that braun in that is that is but also i don't think you could do it he put himself in that spot he started getting upset he did this i do love all the stuff that he he's been saying though but over the last couple weeks has been his best mic work oba's he keeps killing he just keeps finding a new speed um it's unreal but you know what i'm glad you said that.

1:45:35I do want to show some love to Braun though, who is elevating. We are seeing Braun elevate on the mic. Oh, he's back. That's how good Oba is, man. Oba is already bringing the best out of Braun. Absolutely. They're like fellow rookies, and yet Oba is so seasoned feeling. Yeah. The way he's sitting back there in those casual half-dress shirts with the pleated pants. I love the silk shirts. I love it. I said, he's on top of the world. I will say this though, when it comes to Braun, And Oba, this is the first time in a long time. I don't know what to expect with this. I can't tell you. I mean, unfortunately, we kind of knew Oba was going to win against the third time against, you know, Brock.

1:46:15But it's like, but it's like this one, I don't know what to expect because we could let this go on. We could let this go on. It's a great point. And you have to be somewhat careful with both guys. Well, obviously, you know, Oba's not, you know, getting buried ever. But you have to be careful with Braun right now too, right? Absolutely. Braun lost to Seth a while back. He is a really special character, so you have to be mindful there, too. Hey, Money, this has been fantastic. Listen, you disrespected us. We showed you the respect back. Did I come back? No, this was good. This was good. Okay, cool.

1:46:51No, you did good. You did good. His name is DJ Money. Give him a follow on Instagram. Yes. Are you just at DJ Money? I forget. Yeah, at DJ Money. The one and only. At DJM. The one and only, man. Come on, man. SGG and Dip will reportedly be back next week. We'll get you ready for Sunday night's main event. Have a wonderful weekend. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. Thanks to Emilio Kelly and the squad. We'll catch you guys next week. Stay mage.