Unrigorously, Gunther

0:01It's cheap heat with Peter Rosenberg featuring stat guy Greg and dip. Oh, yeah. Are you kidding me, folks? Welcome aboard. Ladies and gentlemen, to cheap heat live on pro wrestling nation 24 seven. I am your forever 24 seven champion Peter Rosenberg. Happy to be joined at the moment, at least by 38 at 35 Dipperstein. I'm not seeing a physically large stack. I Greg stepping into the world. to the room yet is do we oh wait hold on oh oh oh wow as you do why listen i'm i am like notoriously like a late person why do you cut the actual broadcast time this close like i because you're either not working today and you're like doing lawyerly stuff but i see that you're in your nerd cave so what is going on that you have to cut it this close and make us this nervous and you're not even in the stream yard yet.

0:57So on YouTube, people won't even see that you exist. I mean, what's going on with you, dude? What had happened was I had an emergency hearing yesterday. It's very contentious. And I've been dealing with the fallout all morning. So I'm not in court, but I am working. It's done. The marriage is over? It is not done. It is not done. This is actually, this is far from over. it's not a marriage it's a custody situation far from over I'm talking about your own marriage oh no this is going great he's going great he's doing right you kidding me yeah yeah this is going absolutely great but yeah this case it's going to be a problem this is unfortunate it was a long way of saying just you scared us alright 1156 is it that hard I mean this guy he's worse than me I can't believe Peter Rosenberg is telling somebody not to be late not to cut a close not to be tardy i mean jesus christ talk about talk about a lack of rigorous honesty

1:58i i i i'm the only thing i'm never late for is the second the show begins i will always be in my seat kelly murphy does not work kelly tell the truth do you ever worry about me i honestly don't you're you're the only one that i don't i'm i'm the only one she worries about us segment and just send the entire show into chaos. She knows that somehow by hook or by crook. Today I tested the line I believe at 1120. I'm a professional broadcaster. Either way, everyone is here. SUG has made it back from Prague. I am attempting to make it to Italy. You can see my suitcase sitting behind me right there.

2:42Gigantic. SUG, I am traveling with my international big travel suitcase aka the suitcase I see Dip use every time he travels anywhere. You're going to Chechnya. Yeah, exactly. By the way, I did look up what Czechoslovakia is called now. And it's it's there's many ways you could pronounce this. It's Chechnya, Chechnya, Chechnya, Checha. We did tell you this last week. You were right. I was thinking we were we were we were dealing with a republic still. It could have been a sovereign nation. I don't know what it now it's just a they've declared it something new. You you've been waiting all week to continue.

3:26Let me just get this straight. Have you been waiting all week to continue the Chetia joke from last week? We did the Chetia bit, dude. It was a hit. You mentioned frog. That's true. That's true. It was a hit. He was hearing. Diff was getting DMS from people going more. We need more Chetia. Please bring the Chetia. How was Chetia? Did you do a good time? Oh, it was fantastic. I had a great time. Hung out with my buddies, ate some burgers, drank a lot of beer. You went there to eat hamburgers? You went all the way to Czechoslovakia to eat hamburgers. What are you going to eat in Czech? Hamburgers are having a big moment in Czechia right now.

4:08They're big in Prague right now. Everybody's doing their burger. The meat was so fresh, paused. They baked their own buns. The best brioche buns that I've ever had. on a burger wait a minute so so is that like a well-established thing that czechoslovakians are are are eating hamburgers now they haven't burgers are having a big moment over there they i did try some of the local cuisine as well there was a dessert that i had i think it's called turtleneck turtleneck i can't pronounce it but it's like a a donut in the shape of like a cone that they fill with, you know, whatever you want to put in there.

4:49I had mine with chocolate and strawberries. Absolutely delicious. But they could put pretty much anything in those things. I got news for you. What do you think? I mean, I spent a good amount of time in what was then a republic of Czech. I mean, the cuisine. It's not a weird place to get a hamburger. Let me just say that. It's not a weird place. I would assume wherever you go there, you can get a plate of crap. That's what I assume. By the way, you just basically described a dessert of crap. Oh, it was mage, though. But it was mage. Mage crap. We have to. We have to. This is a really important moment, and it's a good time to talk about it because I'm flying to Milan today and then going straight to Torrin.

5:31Let's just be honest for a second. for as metropolitan and slick and well-to-do as Dip is, he is basically, for lack of a better word, when it comes to travel, he's PWT. He doesn't know what you eat anywhere. I was going to say. In his brain, he's going, you're going to Italy. What are you going to have? You're going to have some spaghetti and meatballs. That's as far as it goes. As metropolitan and chic and well-to-do as he is now, You could take the boy out of the PWT areas But you can't take the PWT out of the boy You could if he ever left and took a vacation But because he only travels back and forth between Florida and California He doesn't know culture anywhere else Let's be honest I have big news My cousin is getting married next May in Barcelona Oh that's going to be big And we're having a conversation about maybe going to Morocco and Portugal.

6:38Okay. Portugal's way too. Apparently there's a ship. There's a boat that takes you through the Strait of Gibraltar. Are you going to go through Hormuz? No. I'm not. No Hormuz. I have no Hormuz, although lovely this time of year, I'm told. I will not be going through Hormuz. Well, I'm happy for your cousin. that shows a strong level of love because I have known Dipperstein before to know people that he loves who are getting married in a foreign country and go, well, it's been great knowing you. Not going. SGG is not one of those people. He made the trip. He made the trip. But Mexico, different country.

7:23Is that something? People love Lisbon. Lisbon is fantastic. Oh, yeah. Dip, let me give you some culture. Let me get you going early. It's Lisboa. All right? Let me just get you Portuguese ready. I'll be calling it Lisbon. You will be. You'll be calling it Lisbon. And Dip, you should, though. There is something exciting. Like being in another country is, for whatever reason, exciting. It's like it has a little bit of – there's a little bit – no, no. I think for everybody – I mean some people just get used to it. It's nothing. but I think for the average person who's even fairly well traveled, there is something naturally exciting about when you touch down in a different place where people don't speak the language and you don't know where you are.

8:05I mean, in some ways it's a nightmare, but in some ways it's fantastic. And I think with dip is going to be a nightmare. I don't like filling out that little thing on the plane before. I don't like that. I don't like that. That little thing. I have to fill out. Oh, you don't have to fill out anymore. It's national flight. Where are you going to stay? Who you at? You don't have to fill it up. What if I go to Lisbon and I find some cattle and I want to bring back some cattle? Well, then you got to write that on the form. Yeah, you got to fill it out. Or some strange fruit. If I find some strange fruit and I want to bring it back or some veggies that don't have any distinct color or...

8:43No, I'm going to tell you now, if you run into strange animals or fruit that you want to travel with, you're going to have to write it down on the form. I have to declare it You're going to have to I declare I have some cattle In my carry-on In my luggage Let me ask you a quick question Before we dive into Kalash here Were there any major airport issues Because I'm hearing there are major airport issues In Europe right now I'm glad you asked We almost did not get back from Prague On Monday Because of the wait at the airport Yeah which would have been a logistical nightmare for me because I had court on Tuesday in person that I needed to be back for.

9:30So we get to the airport and just the ride to the airport was so crazy that our flight was going to start boarding. So we find a security lady and we're like, listen, our flight is about to start boarding. Is there any way you can help us out? And she just said, well, there's plenty of people waiting so you just have to wait in the line so they send us into the line with hundreds of people waiting to go through with their like non-eu passports that that's where there's the big problem in europe right now is that oh yeah passport people are getting like bludgeoned there's a new eu passport line is empty so finally somebody yells out philadelphia pulls me and chris lauderdale we go through the eu passport line why did they call out philadelphia they knew they just they saw that there was someone who was who needed to make the flight well no we told them that like look our flights oh they said the flight they said the flight's yeah yeah so if anyone here okay so they pull us through we get and we go to the gate and um at this particular airport the way they do it is the security line is at the gate for the flights it's not like security then passport control then you go to the gate so we get to the security line at the gate and it's there's there must be 200 people on this line all for our flight well that's the thing though but then aren't you good at that point?

10:46Because if the people are all in line for your flight, they're going to leave the people on line for the flight? No, we were not good because we were at the back of the line and they're checking everybody's toiletries, having it in the plastic bag, all that, to the point where someone from the airline had to come out to the security line and say, we are closing the doors, let these people through, and we had to run. She said, please run. We have to close the doors we had to run i've never heard run we had to run to the plane before they closed the doors they closed the doors minutes after we got on the plane the same guy that's taking the picture the same guy that's taking the picture at customs like that that they're the the machine that's taking the picture at customs is the same guy that's taking all these ufo videos yeah you just look like a blob your face looks like the blob that these ufos look like i wish i wish it was that simple i wish he was just looking at blobs and say whatever go through they took a job blobs but but it's a different kind of situation it's a good job it's very serious all right all right so get get really don't don't mess with it my my baby is uh my my cousin didn't tell us.

12:02We had the most typical family situation. The cousin didn't tell me that her very cute daughter was clearly dealing with a thing. She's hugging my daughter. Literally, by the time we go to bed last Saturday, Maya's already sneezing. She now, the amount of snot that I am wiping. You know how unsatisfying? We have the suction, and I feel so bad. She hates it. The snot's on the face. You're smearing, you're wiping. It's disgusting. I would like one of the adult suctions. An adult snot suction. That should be your gimmick. You're like, I don't blow my nose. I force other adults to use an aspirator on me.

12:45Well, if I get even slightly more successful, I may have somebody do that for me. You'll hire an aspirator. So, Clash in Italy is on Sunday, and you guys, four out. My brother just sent me this stat. SGG, watch out. four out of the five Clash in Italy matches are matches that have already happened in the last six weeks. There's only one new match, and that is Cody and Gunther. I like it, though. It's like Backlash and Jays. Yeah, I like it. Of course you do. No, I'm fine with it. I actually think it's a really strong... I mean, I got to say, I know they've settled in on this five-match thing. I wish we could have just settled at like six or seven.

13:31Seven is the sweet spot. Seven is so good. Like if you want it to feel like an event, like you want me to plan my night around it, like I'm doing this thing. I'll get home. If you're a viewer and you're like, I'm going to have a night, seven to me gives you enough that there's a bunch of meaningful stuff and there's a couple where you're talking to people and you're having a snack and you're watching. Give me seven. You need to be talking to people. Don't you agree you need to be talking to people? grabbing a snack? I want 15 matches. I'm looking at it. I'm loving the length of the AEW pay-per-views.

14:05I'm all about it. People say they're too long. Keep them going. I would have no issue with the length of the AEW pay-per-views. Of course, they're coming off a pay-per-view that most people absolutely loved and consider maybe card of the year. My only issue is that when I don't get to see them live, it's very very challenging to re-watch it like if I if I make the plan on Saturday night and Zach Linder comes over and we sit and we watch the whole show boom no problem but once I get to Monday and I'm trying to go back and watch four and a half hours of Double or Nothing it is very hard to to make up the time and I was interested in watching the buy-in this week because I wanted to see the debut of Mick Foley and a true Long Island moment for the ages, MJF going back and forth with Mick Foley.

15:05So I had to watch the buy-in as well. So you're in it for like five hours at that point. But we're going to get to Double or Nothing in a second. Greg had grown a beard by the time the AEW event was over. That's how long it was. That's a bit we need to go back to. No. Exactly. It's getting there. You're Slovakia and Greg's beard. Greg, the beard feels like it's coming along. We've got to figure out a through line between the two. It's coming along, but I'm still so jealous of Dip's beard ability. It's insane. Yeah. It's because he's barely a man. You know what I mean? Like, Dip is man-a-jace. I don't think he'd even argue that.

15:44No, man-a-jace. He knows he's man-a-jace. Yeah, man-a-jace. And yet, he has this beard situation that's just out of control. It's very impressive. But here's the thing I want to talk about on the other side, and I want to take your phone calls about it as well. 877-344-4893. Call us right now. We have not talked to you, the people, in a long time, so I'd love to talk to you a lot throughout today's show. But is Roman Reigns – here's what I want you to – answer it on the other side, SGG. Okay. Was it awesome that Roman Reigns said, when I beat you, you're going to work for me, and you're going to learn to love the tribal chief, your tribal chief?

16:29Was that awesome, or did it completely telegraph where we are going? Or maybe both. Let's think about that. We'll talk about it on the other side. 877-344-4893. It's Cheap Heat Live. Clash in Italy Friday. I'm heading out in a few hours, but we're talking to you right now on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7.

17:13anniversary brochure. See your travel agent or call 1-800-255-5000 now. So SGG, I posed the question before the break and I pose it to you, the people, 877-344-4893. Were you excited when Roman Raids told Jacob on Monday, when I beat you, you're going to work for me and you're going to learn to love your tribal chief? Did that excite you as a possibility of the story, where the story could go or did it tell you, alright, we know Roman's winning and we know where this is going? Listen, I always believe that Roman is going to win, but belief and knowledge are not the same thing. I have no idea what they actually are going to do.

17:55But as I continue to say, they don't have any bad options with this story. Either Jacob wins and we have to figure out how Roman reacts to, because we know how he reacted to not having the championship, right? He's still the tribal chief. It didn't really knock him off his square too much. But having somebody else in that top spot for the family is different. And I'm interested to see how Roman reacts to that if we get to that place where it is somebody else with the Ula Fala and it is somebody else with the championship and it is somebody else with the legitimate claim to be in the head of the table.

18:30Even better if it's somebody else as maniacal as Jacob Fatu has been. So I don't know what they actually are going to do. Dip, is that to you a tell that that's where they're going? I think it's the only logical way. Like I said last week, if Jacob loses the match, clean, pin one, two, three, it just, I think it just not, it doesn't accomplish what we wanted this few to accomplish in that he's all of a sudden a top of the card guy. but if you have him lose but then all of a sudden become a disciple of Roman yes then you know I think it just it continues to make that character interesting. To me I took it as alright we're not ready to have you beat Roman Reigns yet that would be a really crazy thing we're not doing but we like what we're seeing and we're going to build this story out further and And after this, we're now going to have a long-term story with Roman and Jacob.

19:37That's how I took it. So are you talking to me? You muted yourself. No, he's talking to his parents, folks. He is talking to his parents. They are walking in the back. Oh, he's getting upset. I was going to say somebody's enjoying some coffee creamer. I didn't want to call it out, but since that's where we are right now. Well, remember, he's on their home turf, so they're enjoying their own coffee, and he's still barking at them in their own house saying, get out of my podcast. I did notice the flowers. I was going to compliment on the floral arrangement, but it's not his. So I got it. I was getting egg salad, but the egg salad is not something.

20:10That's not a quiet sandwich. That's a very loud sandwich. Why is egg salad a loud sandwich? Are they chopping the egg? What are they cracking? Chopping. They're making it? Yeah. Oh, no. You can't make eggs. What? They're making eggs? Yeah. Yes. Yes. What? You only buy egg salad? You've never made egg salad? No, no, no. Not while someone's doing a show six feet away. It's crazy. Dip is making a strong case, though, for somebody else being ahead of the table because he's barking his parents over some egg salad galore. Meanwhile, without these people... They were out just now. They called me. Of course, they forgot I was doing the show.

20:52I told them 500 times. Then they know we have to be quiet for the show. They come in and start making egg salad. I just started to roll right into the egg salad. No, we're going to be quiet when we come in. We know you're doing a radio show. You're live on the radio. Instead, we're going to make egg salad. That is, I got it. When you said egg salad is a loud sandwich to make, I'm like, what are you talking about? You spread the egg salad, run the bread, you take a bite. I didn't know. They're chopping eggs. Chopping, boiling, cracking. It's crazy. It's crazy. He's in a crazy situation. This is a crazy thing.

21:29So I do. By the way, the Jula Fala is very funny. That is. Why would you not say that? That is. You guys were rocking. I didn't want to say it, but somebody does need to challenge you for the for the Jula Fala. The Jula Fala. I've never thought of that. SCG. You had more cracking going on. There's more stumbling and cracking and putting away. It's crazy. Are you still here right now? Is there more? Yeah, couldn't resist this to ruffle a bag on the air. So I do think where we end up going here is I don't think it's a clean one, two, three. I think something does happen that makes this more complicated.

22:12But I do think that Jacob Fatu loses here. And I think the long-term story we get is now sort of right-hand man a Jace with Jacob Fatu being the reluctant sort of muscle for Roman. but the interesting piece guys maybe i'm overthinking this if jacob fatu becomes like roman reigns underling then though if this story were to play out it you realize it it plays out with baby face jacob fatu beating heel roman reigns he's not winning yeah oh you mean eventually down the line if he becomes his underling unless this goes against everything we've ever seen in the history of wrestling the underling becomes the baby face that is just the way this goes right yeah like he has to become that and then one day he overcomes roman reigns that's what i'm saying it's a great way to keep him interesting will he or won't he turn the will he or won't he is a good love we we love will i like i like the idea of having jacob be like a heel for for a second.

23:16I mean, I don't even know what Roman Reigns is anymore, dude. I got to be honest. This summer, is Roman Reigns a heel? Is Roman Reigns a baby face? No, he's just the guy at the top of the card. I mean, he's rejected those alignments. Have we seen a guy be this good of a tweener ever?

23:35I would say... He's the best tweener activity of all time. Savage. He gets the tweener followed. Savage has been a great tweener. I'm trying to think if Luger was a tweener in WCW Dib you can't figure out how to turn the sound off your computer no what kind of I wouldn't even know what to start pressing is there something to press do you realize you're a millennial like what kind of millennial you don't know how to turn like are you 80 you don't know how to turn the sound off where is it coming from your computer Yeah. The text comes on the computer. Bing. Go. You tap the little two bars at the top of your screen next to the magnifying glass.

24:24Do you see that? Yeah. Yeah. Under it, do you see where it says focus?

24:31When you tap it, you see where it says. Yes. You don't see. Yes. Click focus and turn on do not disturb. Okay. Wow. You do it? Shout out to tech support. I did it. Wow, I'm really happy. And I didn't even have to wait on hold for hours. Let's talk to some of our most loyal calling. You know what? I'd love to hear from some Peckards today we've never heard from. I'd love to hear from some people in the cheap heat universe who have never called before. 877-344-4893. But let's get started with someone we know very well, our good friend Bill in the 416. Bill, what's going on, man? Hey, with this match, I want to see Jacob win and have Roman be now the roles reversed and it becomes a teachable moment because I don't want to repeat and it feels like it's going to become a repeat.

25:24Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. They love repeating. That's not something, you know, that's sort of an unavoidable thing. But I agree the best, coolest case scenario even though it's not going to happen is that Jacob wins. But that's not going to happen. So they have to figure out what to do with Jacob to keep him cool as a result of a loss, the second loss to Roman Reigns. Yeah. I think that's fair. You don't want to become like pouty Jacob. All the cooners will be sucked right out of him. No one wants pouty Jacob. I've never even considered such a thing as a pouty Jacob. He's not a pouty individual.

26:10I've never seen the men pout. He's never pouted. This is not a pouting kind of man. Believe you me. Thank you for the call, Bill. We appreciate you. Let's go to James in North Carolina who also wants to talk some Roman Reigns and Jacob Fatu. What's up, man? What's going on, guys? How y 'all doing? Good. How are you, bro? I'm doing good, James. I'm doing pretty good. I think, you know, as fast as Italy, I think we get Roman winning. I really would like to see the dynamic of Jacob Fatu trying to be domesticated in Roman's words and trying to fit in that role but also you gotta think about the big money match of possibly Roman Reigns versus Oba Femi and Roman would be so dangerous if he has Jacob Fatu in his back pocket and that's even bigger of a mountain for Oba to eventually to you know, the conqueror, if that's where they're going long term.

27:07I think that would be the strongest Roman Reigns we've ever seen with, you know, this version of the bloodline with somebody as crazy as Jacob Fatua in the side. That is a very fun point. Thank you for the call, man. That's a really good point, bro. Like, if really where we're eventually getting here, and obviously a lot of people think that, is to Roman and Oba. and you build Oba as this sort of unstoppable force, if Roman were to ever get by Oba, let's say, getting that help from Jacob Fatu, that being the thing that allows him to sort of get over that mountain would be an interesting thing to do.

27:48Controversial opinion, though. Is Roman versus Oba a money match this year? How could it not be? It's a money, you're asking, will it occur this year? No, I'm saying not will it occur this year, but can Oba be bigger is what I'm saying before he gets to Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns is a guy that John Cena, the GOAT that some people say he is, calls Roman Reigns the GOAT. He's the guy that WWE built their company around for the last 10 years, maybe more. does he need to get to Oba right away? Is that the money match this year? Like is this version of Oba? Because if he runs through everybody that they say is money, he's already had Cody.

28:36He retired Brock, quote unquote. Brock came back. He's going to retire him again. Roman too? Does Oba need all of that this year? Is there a stepping stone? Here's the thing. Brock Lesnar is never losing twice in a row to the same person. I don't see that ever happening. It has, though. But I see... It has? Yeah. Roman beat him at WrestleMania and then beat him at SummerSlam later on. I think Cody beat him twice in a row. I don't think Brock Lesnar is going to go out retiring in his life, in his career, with a string of losses. He's got to win somewhere. And I think it's going to be in Italy. I think he beats Obafemi in Italy.

29:18and then they run it back at Night of Champions or at SummerSlam. And you have finally Oba beat him, and that's when he gets, maybe he's ready for his real main event spot, not his main event at Jace spot. So you're asking, is there a stepping stone between Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns? I don't think there needs to be. If there is, fine. Maybe it's Jacob Fatu. maybe Jacob is the stepping stone to Roman but then Jacob goes from losing to Roman to being the stepping stone for Oba as well maybe it's hard when you have these guys who have such potential to be so big but not everybody can go there at the same time that's exactly right not everyone can be mage is there room for Oba and Jacob as like the big monster.

30:20Yeah, that's the thing, though. Jacob Fatu, you're right. Not everybody can be mage, but Jacob Fatu is mage. I don't see a world where Jacob Fatu becomes a stepping stone on Roman's watch. You go from feuding with me to becoming a stepping stone for the next guy to feud with me, I don't think it's going to happen. I'm going to say something. I'm sensing stepping stone. Oh, no. I'm sensing you're what you're telling me is you're sensing stepping oh yeah here's the stone stepping right over the stone no no you step on the stone oh you step on the stone right the stone is there for the step you step on the stone I think you step on the stone and the stone stepping the act of stepping on the stone gets you where you need to be so Jacob is essentially the stone that is that's that's where i'm that's what i'm saying is that i'm saying as well yeah that is a strong i don't want that to be the case but i wouldn't in the version that you're saying that is the case that's what you're oh so you're translating for dip you're not saying that you agree no i i don't want that i i don't want that no i don't want it either but it makes sense for the i have to tell you though i am very excited about oba and brock i i just yeah i'm i'm legitimately curious.

31:46I hear what Dip's saying. Would they really bring Brock back and have him go to Italy to lose again? No. He's winning. He's going to win. And then he's going to lose in Minnesota, right? That has to be. Either Minnesota or Night of Champions. Although neither of them have a championship, so why would they wrestle there? They'll probably save the third match where he does lose to Oba. Oba at SummerSlam becomes main event Obafemi. Minnesota I feel like everybody had their eye on Minnesota It had to It's his hometown like you were saying P 877-344-4893 Your thoughts on the Oba Brock of it all on Sunday To me that's the match of the night We've already made our picks on this matchup it seems You believe that is a Brock win SGG Agreed We all agree this is a Brock Lesnar victory A quick one I think too I don't think they're going to go that long again I don't think it'll be like he might like Ova might be distracted I don't think it's going to be a long I mean it's there I don't think Brock Lesnar has that long of matches anymore by the way I'd love to see it go 20 minutes but I think it'll be a quick one so what do you guys think about Cody Gunther I think getting there story wise has been a little on the clunky side I don't know it feels like Gunther these days people are not exactly it doesn't seem like every They're sure on how we're telling the story of Gunther, like who this guy is.

33:17He just sort of like pops up and does different things and has associations with people, but not really. I just I feel a little bit half pregnant on on what Gunther is. That's right, dip half pregnant. It's a Michael Kay phrase, not even quite sure what it means. But I will say this. The reason I find this match on Sunday kind of compelling is it's hard for me to picture either Cody or Gunther losing this match. Are you telling me Gunther's going to win? No. He's going to lose? You're saying, are you telling me Gunther at this point after retiring Cena, AJ, Goldberg, he beat Seth at WrestleMania.

34:05Crossroads 1-2-3, middle of the ring, Cody Rhodes It's either going to be Crossroads 1-2-3 or somebody is going to come in and schmuzzle the whole thing up Nah, I think it's going to be Crossroads 1-2-3 Me too, me too No disrespect to the guys you named, but I mean Goldberg was already retired, he just threw the last shovel of dirt on him Cena was practically retired I thought I would be, by the way another murder, I thought I was tough on Goldberg, here comes SGG No, let's be real. He just did the little last handful and that was it. Goldberg was already out of here. Cena announced that he was going to be on his way out of here.

34:42The AJ thing was shocking, but this is prime Cody Rhodes. Cody's not losing this title to Gunther. and Gunther, I hate to say it, but he feels kind of lost. He's not lost in the shuffle. He's on TV. He's doing important things on TV, but he doesn't have that Gunther feel that he had when he was champion. He lost his Gunther feel is what you're saying. He did. He don't have it. He don't have it anymore. And when he was Intercontinental champion, he had it. When he was world champion, he had it. he didn't really have it as much when he was trying to collect people's career and now he does not have it I'm going to tell you I think he needs a stable again get the mask off of Ludwig I think he is going to lose the mask it's time to wrap up the Americano thing well guess what I got news for you they are on Saturday at Triple Mania yeah good it's mask versus mask you're not aware of this it's happening no I know it is I just forgot for the moment I think that they're going to move on in some way from that I think can we get Ludwig out of the mask and back on team Gunther that would maybe be a way to spruce it up a little bit you know what the way this started SGG it did not feel clean but I like where Dip landed the plane I will say, we all agreed.

36:22We all said it in different ways. Gunther, there's something about him that's not feeling completely Gunther-esque. No. And also, I got to say this. So let me finish that point. So Dip, I think, is right. I think if you were to bring El Grande Americano to now going back to being with, it would be something. I agree that would be something. The one thing I do want to say, though, the pronunciation of Gunther is one of the greatest mysteries in the history of professional wrestling. Is it? Not as bad as Vakere. Oh, it's bigger than Vakere. You think it's bigger than Vakere? I know it is. It has more.

37:05It has more. It has more. No, no one's ever said Vakere. I've heard Vakere. I've heard Vakere. No, you haven't. Not on WWE television. There is legitimately Gunther. Gunther Gunther Gunther That's three for sure I don't like Gunther I don't like Gunther either It's Gunther This is the way we say it It's Gunther Why do you say Gunther? His mama named him Gunther We're going to call him Gunther His name is Walter Thanks Seriously though I'm being serious I sat on a phone call with WWE brass, and I said, can we please finalize a pronunciation on the name Gunther? Okay? No one would commit. I said, I brought this up on a Thursday.

38:09the following Monday I'm watching Raw and in back-to-back seconds someone goes something something something Gunther and then it cuts to Michael Cole and he goes well Gunther and I'm like we are literally back-to-back saying it different there is no crazy it's like there's no uniformity to his name at all it's like a wrestling SNL sketch I'm at ESPN yesterday and and Greeny Mike Greenberg goes I'm putting on my headset in the other room and I hear Mike Greenberg and on the set of get up going okay he's looking at his notes and he goes all right Cody Rhodes versus Gunther Gunther Gunther how do I pronounce it where's Rosenberg where's Rosenberg I need to know how to pronounce this where where's Rosenberg I go running in I go I go Greeny nobody knows and also that's why your point is valid which part that they need to they need to come up with one way that they're going to say this and that is going to be part of the presentation i would i would be focusing on the care more more than i can't believe you think the care is father the the it's bother the cur i mean it's not the cur i mean who made that who but who says that who says the cur i've heard plenty of the Vaker.

39:25You're hearing Vaker?

39:29Like she's the coach of the Golden State Warriors, Steve Vaker? Vaker? Yeah. I've heard the Usos say Vaker. The Usos don't count for our pronunciation. I love the Usos, okay? They're my boys. I'm not turning to them for pronunciation on other people's names. They call half the locker room Us.

39:51I'll pronounce Peter Rosenberg Us. Yeah. Exactly. You do not pronounce the name Rosenberg Ust, but that's all I get. Love those dudes. But I think the Gunther Gunther Gunther is something that needs to be addressed. Stephanie Vakur versus Gunther. That's a good mixed tag team. It was very funny. I was talking to my brother yesterday. It's been very funny listening to him. He was breaking down that he really like enjoys the americano thing yeah he's like he but like he didn't he he missed the whole beginning of it like he wasn't watching when they did the original vignette dip you said oh you're not into the americanos i was and now i'm like it's dry it's not a story anymore it's dragged on to what i don't know i've lost track of it it's the biggest thing happening in triple a right now I don't watch AAA okay in fact I'd like to start watching AAA to be honest I've said that okay but I gotta tell you yeah well Saturday's a good time to start watching AAA but let me let me what are you crazy Dip it's the biggest story in AAA hold on hold on hold on how much more wrestling can I watch no you can't okay so there's two separate conversations happening here you are saying hold on we're about to get rigorous honesty here this is about to be very rigorous I'm gonna be rigorously honest about you Dip you sound like a fool because you can't say i'm not really into the americano thing and then you go well it's the biggest thing in triple a and you go well i don't watch triple a that's where the story is they're only doing this the story the real story that wrestling fans have been talking about is their use of it on raw is bizarre and sometimes doesn't even fit what's happening in triple a but the story in triple a this whole mass versus mask with the girlfriend the whole thing.

41:46And it's going to be settled on Saturday night, I think 10 p.m. Eastern at Triple Mania. I mean, this is... Can I say something, too, before we get out of here? It's incredible to me that with this story, because El Grande was a fake character, and when they introduced this character and talked about the reactions that he gets in Mexico, those are the reactions that Ludwig is getting right now. It's insane. It's insane. The whole thing was made up with I was sitting I was with Triple H about to do the interview before WrestleMania last year I was in Stanford when a writer came up to him and was like hey I want to show you this vignette we have and he watched the original vignette for El Grande Americana I remember the internet got all mad and they had no idea that this fun funny thing would turn out to be now a truly epic storyline to everyone in the world except Brian Dipperstein.

42:42877-344-4893. We're going to be rigorously honest the rest of this program. Can't wait to talk to you about the rest of the show. Plus, we do have to get into Double or Nothing. It is GP Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. World Wrestling Federation activewear by Weiner. Exciting tops and bottoms for the Warriors and Hulkamaniacs in your family. Youth and adult sizes now available nationwide.

43:16it's cheap heat with peter rosenberg featuring stat guy greg and dip oh well we are living in an incredible time it's the it's it's may 29th 2026 year of our lord and my brother just texted me to say, to correct me, that I just said that it's Triple Mania this weekend, which is not until September. It's Noche de los Grandes this weekend, of course. I was misspeaking about the pay-per-view. That's how big it is, Dip. They have their own pay-per-view for it. But the fact that my brother is correcting me on AAA pay-per-views, have you ever seen, Dip, a psychotic evolution into wrestling fan like this before?

43:59It's a typical Rosenberg move. You think this is typical? Yeah. going this if you're going to just jumping fully into something you know like rigorous honesty I will say wrestling is a thing that when people rediscover it it does go pretty fast it's like there's a built in thing there's like this nostalgic trigger point and it allows people to go from like I haven't watched it in 30 years to there's something so familiar and feel good about it that you do i have seen people go crazy before i mean i did the first time in 05 when i came back and it's easy to do especially these days when there's so much different wrestling like somebody has something for you and then the presentation of some of these shows just it's just off the charts and i'm not even talking about like a wrestlemania that feels like no like a super ball i'm talking about like and if you're and if if you're someone who you know if you're in a place in your life where you're just looking for something to sort of enjoy and get to turn off sort of the craziness of our world, there is something to really watch literally every night.

45:06I mean, you're talking about this week you had Double or Nothing Sunday, Raw on Monday, NXT Tuesday, of course you have Evolve on Wednesday, and a little show called Dynamite. What's Thursday? Saturday Night's Main Event. TNA on Thursday. TNA's on Thursday. AAA's on Saturdays. It's really like so it is nice like if you want something to do it is they will it is all there for you and then in between if you want to watch the greatest battle royals um that is something that i've been enjoying on the vault what do you mean is that is that a four hours of the best battle royals ever on the vault right now on youtube it's been it was there months and months ago but i just discovered it it's nature every era of battle royals from you know we're talking like there's an AWA battle royal from like 83 with Andre and all these people in it.

46:03You have to watch that. You just reminded me of something interesting. We think of battle royals now as just like a nothing match almost. I was watching WrestleMania 4 I think it was. And during the battle royal, Gorilla Monsoon was talking about battle royals like it was the Elimination Chamber. He was like I hate these matches. it's so chaotic it's so dangerous no the way they used to sell them what the two things here are the two things they did that were just hilarious and some of them remain to this day number one they sold the battle royal is so dangerous it was like oh my god this is so big and then number two every single person over like six eight how are they gonna eliminate they you're not gonna be able to eliminate.

46:51They are going to win. It's over and they never win. It's like it's absolutely wild. No one was better at that than Jesse. He sold the big man better than any commentator ever. Oh, he loved. That was his favorite place to be. Shouts to Jesse the body. I'm told that we have a guest on the Pro Wrestling Nation Celebrity Hotline. Hello? what's going on guys what's going on WWE now here we are not just from WWE now but from such hits as Not Sam Wrestling Not Sam Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 general great broadcaster famed marathon runner and all around great guy Megan Morant how are you well thank you so much for putting me over that was sick I'm doing great you guys I was just sitting here listening to you on a Friday, and I was hearing you talk about the pronunciation of Gunther, Gunther, Gunta.

47:56And then, Dip, you brought up Stephanie Vaquer. And I wanted to bring forward how last year Naomi started calling Stephanie Vaquer Stephanie Velcro. And that was my favorite iteration. I like that. I know. By the way, Naomi's another one with Vaquer. She says Vaquer. Yes. I've heard Naomi say Vaquer. Yeah, she's guilty. She heard it from her husband. Yeah, it's a very, very good point. Now, Megan, remind me, because I know you were in the conversation where I brought up, can we please come up with the pronunciation? You've fallen where? Are you a Gunter? I think you're Gunter. I'm a Gunter, and Sam's a Gunter.

48:38No, Sam is Gunter. Sam is dead wrong. No, Sam is like Dipperstein. He's a proper American. Just you read it the way you see it. It's Gunther. Yes, that's how he says it. I say Gunther because Michael Cole says Gunther. And he is the broadcaster that I think he's the big boss, you know? You know, it's a fair point to follow Cole's lead. And Cole is Gunther. But you definitely, like, I remember that certainly in, like, the ring announcements, I know I'm pretty sure Samantha Irvin went straight up Goon Ta like I'm pretty sure that's where we were was Goon Ta yeah but that's kind of intimidating as a broadcaster to be like oh I need to say it like Samantha Irvin says it you know like I'm gonna fail every time no and can you sing and play the flute at the same time I sure can't I sure can't what running plans guys I'm very excited about Mask vs.

49:35Mask so I hope you dive into that very excited I know I know Dip, you said you want to watch AAA? Dip, Dip, Megan, Dip was just burying Mask vs. Mask. He says he's had enough of the, he quote, has had enough of the Americanos. What are your thoughts? He's going to lie to you right now, but don't listen to him. I think this is going to be one of our greatest rivalries of all time. I already can't wait for the A &E doc on Mask vs. Mask. Andrea Bazzarte, I mean, she is the star. I love the drama. I love the build to this. I love the energy of AAA. I will be locked in on Mass vs. Mask. I am ready for it to stop bleeding over a little to Raw, but the build to this has been really fun.

50:18I know. Who do you want? I have missed the boat on this, admittedly, 1 ,000%. Dip, it is... I don't know how. I don't know how. He was not being that guy when he said it's the biggest thing in AAA. It quite literally has been, for a lot of wrestling fans, their overall favorite story of the last six months. That's not an exaggeration. That is a fairly common thing. There have been viral clips. The storyline has bled over into Raw. Ludovic posts himself walking down the street. He's got murals in Mexico. One of them, I think, even says, a Mexican is born wherever the hell he damn well pleases. I don't know if that's necessarily true, but it shows how much they love Kaizu.

51:03Is Omos wrestling weekly on the show? Omos is killing it. Yeah, he's a regular on AAA. It's getting better by the minute. Dip, you're going to – Can you commit to locking in this weekend and watching? Sure. I think it's at 7 p.m. PST. Oh, you're going to be back out – Will you be back out west on Saturday? No, unfortunately it's at, I believe, 10 Eastern, Peter. No, 10 Eastern, but dip with dips in L.A. It could be 7 p.m. There you go. It's perfect for you. I'm going to miss it. But is it pay-per-views? No, it's on YouTube. It's on YouTube, buddy. I have YouTube. We don't know if he could actually get to it.

51:44He has some struggles with the technology, but he has it. Yeah, I'll catch three. By the way, have a good time. Megan, we love you. You're fantastic. Run Simply this weekend. And we'll see you. Thank you. I'm looking for, I mean, to me, Miss Elizabeth and Randy Savage is Andrea. and Grande Americano. That's my version of it. Before you go, can I ask who you think is going to walk away with the mask this weekend? Oh, come on. We need not the original. I want the new Grande. I can't wait for the site as he's walking out up the ramp with Andrea on his shoulder recreating the iconic image. That's to me.

52:28Put it on a t-shirt. I'm buying it. I can't wait. Wow. You put her on a T-shirt. She's bringing that T-shirt to a marathon. Stop now? Oh, my God. Come on. It's perfect. She's putting it on a T-shirt. She's bringing that T-shirt to a marathon, and she's losing the T-shirt. Megan, thank you. Thank you, guys. Have a good one. Bye. I will tell you, the Andrea thing is that is a – she really could be on, like, American TV. Like, yes, she's a reporter, I know, on WW in Mexico, but she is – she could really be a Miss Elizabeth. This is Kaiser's girl. Yes. Yes. I love her. Dude, she's... By the way, not only is she bed, bath, and beyond gorgeous, she is so sweet and charming.

53:12Yeah, well, you've introduced me. Put her on TV, dude. Did you introduce her to her? You'll faint. You haven't introduced me. Oh, I did introduce you. Yeah. Did you faint? It was a lot. She's a stunning... She's one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. she gives she gives you the vibe that uh i had when i met beyonce in an elevator in 1998 when they were destiny's child and i we got into the elevator and i was like oh it's destiny's child and i i looked at the the the sort of blondish curly haired girl whose name i didn't know because you know she was a member of destiny's child i and i'm like that is the most incredible human being I've ever seen in my life.

54:01And she went on to be Beyonce, folks. She went on to be Beyonce. At the time, I was already Beyonce. Fair, fair. What you're saying is fair. She wasn't Beyonce until she met Peter Rosenberg. Okay, let's just. Thank you, Dip. If I'm being rigorously honest about it, she was Beyonce adjacent until that moment in the elevator. She, you know, but seriously, I think I was 19. She was 17. Something like that. And I'm like in the elevator. I'm like, who the hell is this girl? And then I got drops from them. And that was all I wanted. Them going, yo, what's up? That was a Kelly Rowland guy. We're Destiny's Child.

54:41And we're paying the bills with our boy PMD. That's right. Promoting the Bills, Bills, Bills single, SGG. That's my drop. Well, obviously I had problems with the word automobiles, like most people did. I didn't mind automobiles You didn't mind automobiles? I didn't mind automobiles By the way, I love Bills, Bills, Bills Of course you did, it's right up your alley It was probably playing at your bar mitzvah I bet you that Bills, Bills, Bills did play at my bar mitzvah By the way, Bills, Bills, Bills was 2000 And my bar mitzvah was in 2000 Wow So I take it back, I was 21 I wasn't Was Bills, Bills, Bills 2000 or 2001?

55:2299, no, 99 2000 because I think No No No by Destiny's Child is like 97, 98. When is the Scrub situation? When are we getting the Scrubs? Scrubs? Yeah. Scrubs I think was like 99, 2000 also. That's also 98, 99. That was another Bar Mitzvah song. Big Bar Mitzvah song. Big. My boy has this record called What the hell is the name of the record? I forget, but it's about his baby. And it's a really sweet record about his daughter. His name's Fresh Daily. And the record's about his daughter being born. Oh, it's My Daughter Comes Out. And he says a bar in it at SGG that resonates so hard with me. He goes, she changed, she's talking about him and his wife and his daughter.

56:12And he says, she remixed our TLC like Sporty Thieves. And I said, that is a moment in time that should not be forgotten. were you a no pigeons guy of course one of the biggest no pigeons guys in the biz today big sporty thieves guy in general were you into the song cheapskate by sporty thieves I'm sure I've heard it you ain't getting nada from us not even a dollar we need to come back with cheapskate by Sporty Thieves, folks. That's what we need to do here. Anyways, thank you to Megan Morant. Ben Queen is on it. He's going to get us Sporty Thieves. Let's take at least one call because the phone line's been jammed.

57:02Let's talk to at least one person before we go to break here. Let's go to let's keep the Canada vibes going and actually, we were talking Gunther last. Let's take Gunther. Let's go to my hometown, Bert in D.C. to talk some Gunther, Gunther, Gunther, Gunther. What do you got, buddy? Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Hey, I think we might be missing a perfect opportunity for Gunther is he needs a manager. And I think for the longest he's been in the shadow of Brock Lesnar. And if you remember in the storylines, he told Paul Heyman, he owes him. So I'm thinking he's going to take on, he's going to beat Cody.

57:43He's going to be the champ, but he's going to think, oh, the championship is not enough. I'm a career killer. I'm going to put Brock Lesnar to bed. I'm going to put his career to bed. And so I think he's going to take on Brock Lesnar. That's going to be the finale of Brock Lesnar with Gunther taking him on and just wiping him out. Thanks a lot. Hold on. Thank you so much. First of all, good luck with your directions. we want to get you out of dc wherever you need to go thank you for the call um sgg has lost his mind because was he trying to say coup de gras i believe so he might have been going for coup d 'etat also i think he i think he was i think he was going for coup de gras because then he's gave up except for the family but we got his point either way sgg has completely lost it so do you I think that we could get to Gunther, Gunther, Gunta against Brock or broke Lesnar at SummerSlam.

58:52Was he suggesting that Heyman now turns on Brock and is now with Gunther? He was suggesting something about the Heyman owing him something. Where he landed, though, let's ignore that part for a second. Is there a world in which Gunther, Gunther, Gunta retires Brock at SummerSlam? Yes, I think so. Yeah. But they're not going to – Oba has to factor in to – That's what I'm saying. So how can you get there? How can you get – he splits with Oba because you can't have him lose back to – him losing to Oba twice and then to Gunther or Gunta or Gunther at SummerSlam. You can't have that three in a row.

59:36No, that's not how we're going. No, but Gunther could jump the line, right? Brock could beat Oba. Oba could be like, listen, I want the third match. And then Gunther's like, no, you owe me a favor. I'm jumping the line. I am getting Brock in Minnesota. And then when Brock is gone. Gunther Oba. Gunther Oba carries a situation. I think we did some work. I think we found something that could work, just like Dip's dad is doing some work in the background right now. Maybe making some eggs out. Taking a little stroll. I think if we get more – if Gunther all of a sudden becomes the foe for Lesnar, and he moves from Cody to maybe Oba to Lesnar, that's a lot of jumping jumping.

1:00:33Well, I see what you did. I see what you did. You know, there's a wrestler sitting right there for you to tie into another Destiny's Child song.

1:00:51Joe Hendry. How? Say his name. Of course. okay can we this is a perfect this is a joe hendry is a oh you serious switch okay go ahead now that logan paul is injured with a gnarly that tricep surgery picture he posted yeah that was disgusting yeah absolutely logan if you're listening please don't post any more pictures of that we work good we believe you we believe you yeah we know what happened now by the way if it's at work so great work he went he went for it he went for it But you have Seth Rollins tied up with Ron Breaker. You have Logan Paul injured. You have Bronson Reed injured. If Austin Theory does not grab that brass ring now, when will he grab that brass ring?

1:01:49Austin Theory, who you know I'm a huge fan of, and should have more an opportunity to grab that brass ring than he ever did, has it today. now is the time for Austin Theory to put himself on a different level of where he's been for the last eight years. Does that sound like a situation that you can get down with? I agree with you that the time would be now. It's today. But you have to go somewhere here. You're going to have to go somewhere with him. He's hitting people with chairs. We've seen the chair shots. What's next? Yeah. And let's be honest too He's had several passes at this brass ring Now since you know pre-pandemic He was on Raw He was paired with Seth This is not like a big match The John Cena thing was a brass ring No it wasn't And he had money in the bank He was the money in the bank briefcase holder He's had several passes at this thing Wasn't he also Vince's personal choice Yes I just think In today's Modern situation This is his there's a lane now for Austin Theory.

1:03:01Finally, he's got a new look. He's associated with mage people. He doesn't have a sick baby at home and about to travel to Europe. Now is the moment for Austin Theory. I'm making faces at the baby. It's a great take by Deb. It's a great theory about Austin. 877-344-4893. We'll down to your pronunciation of Gunther. Your thoughts on Austin Theory. is there a world in which Obafemi beats Brock Lesnar a second time in a row this weekend we'd love your predictions your thoughts and also any big takes from Double or Nothing we have to talk about that as well on the other side it is GP Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7 Promotional consideration paid for by the following Destiny's Child the writings on the wall now double platinum two Grammy nominations two number one hits, Bills, Bills, Bills, and Bugaboo.

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1:04:06Destiny's Child, the writings on the wall. In stores now on Columbia CDs and cassettes. Alright, let's talk to you. 877-344-4893. We've done a lot of talk about Clash in Italy. the different pronunciations of Gunther's name and so many other different things dip. Uh, the reviews for double or nothing are quite frankly, outstanding. Uh, probably the highest reviews I've ever seen for any AEW pay-per-view. I have watched most of the card. I thought it was a great time. I think that venue is fantastic. Like you want to talk about a coup for AEW. I think the, I think a big coup is deciding to run at the tennis center.

1:04:48Like, I just think it, it looks awesome. The vibe is amazing. But anyways, what were your thoughts? I'm going to try to call out something. I bought it. I bought it. Wow. Which I often do. And fell asleep for a portion of it because it was late. And went to go watch it the next day. And HBO Max does not allow you to replay. You pay$40 and HBO Max does not let you replay it. Unless you're in some tier or something. Don't make people pay$40 for a pay-per-view and then not let you replay it the next day. Come on. Are you kidding me? Well, let me just say, across both companies, there have been some major problems with the replaying of PLEs either during or after.

1:05:41This was just straight up, you're not getting a replay. There's no, let me try to find the replay. This was, there's no replay. So if you were watching with your children in the East Coast and it was late for them, there is no finish it the next day. That's bad. In a in a in a world in which everything is done on demand. That is absolutely crazy. Great. I don't even make it doesn't make sense. The quality of the event mage. Every single match was good. Every single one. I mean, it was a you say whatever you want. The quality of the matches are absolutely insanity. I mean, the show's been good, man.

1:06:21If you're hating on it, you're not watching it. Yeah, I think they've found themselves a really nice sweet spot for these pay-per-views because at this point, it's so counter to WWE's programming. So if you are the kind of person who really enjoys a WWE PLE and you want your five-match Saturday night, boom, three hours sports entertainment, it's perfect however if you want like a hardcore wrestling event that is the lane that AEW has truly carved out with these pay-per-views it's very different they're very different feeling shows at this point very different feeling that's a plus for AEW right?

1:07:06we're not saying that's a problem that's definitely a plus for AEW it's not a negative it's just different Oh, no, I'd love the idea that you have multiple. There are multiple ways to skin a cat, dude. And these shows are vastly different. Listen, there's just no question about it. I've been outside and like talking to wrestling fans. It's been a good few weeks for AEW. It just has. There's a good bit of momentum around them. And to me, my favorite part about that is just how wrong people were who were hating on the Darby Allen title reign. I think it worked exactly how they hoped it would. Yeah.

1:07:44it was it was mage it was mage let's be let's be honest they got to see the title what twice every week he won it in shocking fashion and then he went out on his sword and then uh now they set somebody else up uh in kevin knight to potentially step into that scene and be elevated um i don't know if he's gonna darby allen kevin knight is is a is a great yeah it is and then and then it's like where does Kevin Knight go after that does he move up is Darby Allen done with the title what do you think about Kevin Knight you think there's something going on there I mean he's definitely good wrestler there's no question about that but do you think I think there's something going on there you think I think he's their answer to um to a Javon Evans not that everything needs to be a competition because like we were just talking about they carved out their own different lanes but it it doesn't hurt to have somebody that is also you know young and super talented and exciting and somebody that you can push right at the top not that he's right at the top but somebody who can get there right away doesn't hurt yeah yeah yeah and and uh interesting to see mick foley in a an aw ring i was like a mick did look good i thought so as well and i love the little thing the little thing that they did with darby and mjf on the pre-show with with Mick Foley was great.

1:09:07I don't know if you saw it, but they did like a like a little teaser of the pay-per-view. There's a lot of criticism that they're putting the two main eventers out on the pre-show. But like they're obviously, you know, teasing. They want you to buy the pay-per-view. Yeah, that's how it works. There was criticism for that because I actually thought I thought it's kind of cool. You brought out a huge name in Mick Foley who you hired here to be a part of your pre-show. the purpose of the pre-show is to bring eyeballs to the main show Max and Darby showed up in that ring with Mick Foley and it looked like big time and important and it's literally like five hours before they're going to be in the ring yeah I thought it was great and then HBO Max though y 'all can't squander that goodwill with the no replay it's not I don't think But I don't suspect it's their fault.

1:10:01I mean, come on. But HBO Max can't do that to people. That's not cool. Yeah. But I'm telling you, this has been a tech thing. This has been a problem for a long time. I've had issues with their pay-per-views before. Even I feel like pre-HBO. This wasn't a tech issue. This is like a we're going to try to make you buy a higher tier thing to get replays. Oh, you're saying there is a tier for replays. I believe so. I wasn't going to find out. I can tell you that right now. I will tell you, I was... Not under duress. Not under pressure like that. I can't decide whether I think you're right about that.

1:10:30A different tier for replays. I looked it up online and that's what it said. And there was huge Reddit feeds about how angry people were about this. Because people have kids. It's late. You know how late that pay-per-view went? Midnight, 1 o 'clock in the morning or something. Yeah, East Coast time. It started at 8, right? Yeah. Yeah. It was probably 12.30, 1 o 'clock in the morning. And yes, it's a holiday. And people are there to see MJF, baby. Well, again, this is the one downside. With all the upside that I see in the pay-per-views, it's just an East Coast show. It's in Max's hometown. The crowd, like, obviously, it's the main event.

1:11:13What time do you think they walk to the ring? 11.45? Right. That's tough. That's tough. So I will say, I was saying earlier, I wouldn't mind a PLE being seven matches instead of five matches. I will say the upside to the five matches is not thinking about a match starting at midnight, which is just brutal. We still have Corey and Tim. We've got Tim. Let's go to Tim in Charlotte, who has a thought on the Gunther of it all. Hey, Tim. Hey, guys. I think the favor was already good because I think the favor was Heyman given the contract to Gunther to get the title match for Cody. So I don't think the favor is still there.

1:12:04Yeah, that's right. He negotiated that. I guess you're right. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. I think that was the favor. So I don't think, and I don't think, I think it's going to be three. I think if you're going to go two more matches with Gunther and Oba, I think the final match is going to be at SummerSlam. Thanks, guys. Enjoy your time at Italy. Peter, thanks, buddy. Thank you, man. I'm looking forward to it. We got to talk about that too, P. Not just the pay-per-view, but I really don't know how I feel about this gimmick infringement. I understand you got to go to Italy. You got to do your job.

1:12:37But then you're taking a week. You bring in the wife. You bring in the kid. You upgrade into business class. Who do you think you are? Greg, you would think that Natalie would want to stay home for the week and be an independent woman. Yeah.

1:12:56That's what you were thinking about? No, that was off the cuff. No, that was freestyle. There's no way he could. Because that was an alley off of what I said. It's a good point by you. No, you think I'm stealing your gimmick, the vacation. Yeah, you absolutely are. At least for next week. You absolutely are. Are there a lot of people taking the week? Taking the extra week? a lot of people in the Fed taking the extra taking time? I don't know how many people are taking time. I know multiple people taking family. Yes, and so they're there for like days and there's like three European TVs. Yeah. So people are already there for a long time.

1:13:38You know, Tess is a big Italy guy. Joe Tessatore! The crowd is going to that's very funny he's very Italian it was very funny I don't know the crowd in Italy is going to be insane yeah that is we can't sleep on that I think that is going to be they will compete for best crowd of all time I'm expecting like highest level I don't know I can't wait for that oh the hope is going to be who do we think is the most over in Italy Oh, it's got to be over. It could just be the Oba's most over everywhere. That is on the table. I think it's going to be hard to judge because I feel like they've been waiting for this moment so much and they got some heavy hitters on this card.

1:14:27They got Cody Romans there. Brock's going to be there. Oba's there. It's hard to call it. Rhea. Yeah. I mean, Rhea's always Rhea's always Rhea. Jade has been very good in her, in her media and promo run recently. I want to say that. Agreed. I thought that too. I think Jade has been finding her voice when she's doing media and things like that. I've been impressed with Jade. I don't know if I think that story is like... SGG, are you fully invested in Rhea and Jade? No. No. Unfortunately not. It has gotten better. And I do like Jade as the leader of a crew. but there is something for this story that's not not quite clicking for me it'll be over soon just like the Americana yeah he's had enough he hasn't watched yet but he's had enough trust me and then of course Becky Lynch and Sol Ruka Sol Ruka has been wrestling it's such a supportive fan base in general but it can also be incredibly fickle, man.

1:15:43Like, you are the hottest thing smoking in NXT, and then if you get to the main roster and you have a couple of moments that don't go exactly how you want, you can certainly start to read the clippings and people starting to question what's going on. They ended up essentially, SGG, having no match at Saturday Night's Main Event. They basically just kicked the can down the road to a title match at... What do you think that was? Do you think that was always the plan? I don't know I don't know because I was just going to say I didn't expect them to I knew Seoul was going to get a title match eventually but I didn't think it was going to be just the very next week she actually gets a title match without without having the real match without stepping into the real proving ground of being in there with Becky Lynch one-on-one non-title and then pinning the champions maybe that's maybe they didn't want her to pin the champion I don't know but I didn't see that coming either But yeah, it was just an interesting way to get there.

1:16:43But here we are now. And I will say this. It is five matches. But four of those five matches are incredibly high level. Guys, we're into our last minute here. What are you most looking forward to? Let's be honest. Of the three big dogs, because it's Cody Gunther, it's Roman, Jacob, and then, of course, Oba and Brock. Dip, what's your pick? If you had to watch one because your parents were making egg salad, which match are you taking? Oba Brock me too SUG Roman Jacob of course I think there's not going to be any misses these are all hits but I got to put my one in the air it's the one that I've been waiting for and I think you will still have that one in the air next week I believe Roman Reigns will still be champion and maybe have Jacob Fatu working for him thank you Kelly Murphy Ben Queen Emilio Sparks Dip good luck in Florida SUG stay mage and guys enjoy yourself hey bugaboo you