What's in the Box?

0:03Peter Rosenberg! Shout out to SGG.

0:09The major stick. Oh my goodness. It's professional wrestling. The king of kings. 24 seconds. Champions jam. A thousand percent confirmed. M-mage. Stay mage and enjoy yourself. M-m-m-m-m-m-mage. Male Muzzer

0:34It's Still Roodin'

0:45It's Still Roodin' Oh, I'm Sorry Oh, I'm Sorry Oh,

0:54I'm Sorry Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, sweet, sweet Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was Rappod. It was Rappod. It's professional wrestling. GP live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. I'm your forever 24-7 champion, Peter Rosenberg. The physically large stack guy, Greg, is here. I have to say, SUG, the level to which you show up as the mics get turned on are it's never been discussed. It's unlike anything I've ever like you would think you were a 60 year radio vet. The way you walk in and just pick up like why can't listen? This is crazy coming from me. I am the last person to show up to all of my radio shows.

1:43I am the last one. And you are always behind me. How do you do it? Pete, I mean, look, I have to say I learned from the best. What do you want me to say? You're a radio vet. You've been doing this for more than 50 % of your life. I've been doing this with you for more than 10 years. I thought live radio was going to be a different animal, and it is. I love the callers. We always get thrown a curveball. the commercial breaks and trying to be back in time uh after the breaks is always new to me trying to fit in the snack because you know you know i'm snack god yeah that's right you know i'm snack god greg when the mics is down i'm snack god greg so you know i gotta do that and get back that's right but i learned from the best what can i say it if it is impressive it's a testament to the lessons that you've taught me over time very well done i i literally like we every week that we do the show there's there's i think every week kelly at 58 and a half goes greg's doing the show right because she at this point she has to ask because we are now down to i don't know i assume the person is showing up and today as the music hit you see the zoom switch and the big sgg go up on the screen and here he is he has made it uh dipperstein is in the tri-state um however he is currently dealing with some sort of uh some sort of struggles internet struggles he was stressing out i said don't stress out we got it you come you figure it out you join when you can join and uh we will have ourselves a wrestling program and since it came up say uh dipperstein has learned nothing so if you if you want a great no listen it's a great point i'm gonna take this opportunity to slander him and deflect no no it's a really good point because i am sort of taking shots at sgg for being so perfectly late every week but he's also perfectly on time dipristine is very is often the first one here and yet the most likely to not be able to get on the air so you You know, listen, it's picking your poison.

3:57With SGG, he's not showing up till 59, but he's getting on the air every time. Dip is showing up at – Kelly, what's the earliest Dip shows up? Like 40? Yeah. He might be 20 minutes early. Dip and I can usually have a full conversation about our weeks and then weekend plans. After he freaks out about his microphone and speakers. Right, right. That's after 15 minutes of everything not working and seeing the look of confusion because this is the week it's really not going to happen. Or weeks like this where, like, he's traveling, but somehow he's having an internet issue, and even if he does get on, he will, like, not have a microphone with him, so it's going to be in some loud room.

4:40So the point is, you know, it's picking your poison. SGG's poison is just all it is is a little bit of nerves at the last second. But we're always – the plane's always getting off the ground and flying straight. That's right. That's right. And that's the most important thing. It's so funny because, you know, in dealing with my afternoon show where I work with Don LaGreca, brother of Dave LaGreca, and Alan Hahn, one of the main stays of the New York Knicks broadcast, longtime writer, radio guy. They're both like 10 plus years older than me. And they both are capable of doing the show on the road, and they do.

5:20but it's just funny because my producer Anthony Pusic he only truly doesn't worry about me like I am the only person like I am better off in Saudi Arabia than Don is at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey like you don't have to worry I've been doing this remote thing so long and knowing what needs to get done for me to get a decent broadcast. Hey, man, the peckerheads who are here are down since day one-ish peckerheads. They've heard me in every country. They've heard me all over the world. The episodes happen. They know no matter what happens. We do have a lot of different things to get to on the program today.

6:07The masked man has struck again. We are getting closer to figuring out, in theory, whatever that looks. There is a crate, a mysterious crate that's been found backstage that says do not open until 2-28-26, which is the date of Elimination Chamber. We also were surprised by what we got in one of the Chamber qualifying matches because we sat here last week and had an entire conversation about how the qualifying matches were somewhat predictable. And then we end up getting the Javon Dominic Gunther match and Javon Evans ends up winning. And we had an entire conversation about how that was just not the likely scenario.

6:58The most likely thing everyone assumed would just be Gunther coming out of this match and heading to the elimination chamber. But no, no, it ends up being Javon Evans, which to me is such an interesting wrinkle. And I what I'm excited to talk to dip about, frankly, and you know what? I'm going to take a break in a moment so we can try to get this sorted. We'll take the break early, get this sorted and come back with the guys is, you know, Dipperstein has been complaining early on about what was being done with Javon Evans. And I think with good reason, I think we started to see Javon Evans kind of hanging out backstage.

7:32And it was like, wait a second, where are we going? Then we see him mixing it up with the Americanos. Is that going to be something really worthwhile? Well, lo and behold, he gets the big win over the new El Grande Americano last week with the sick OG cutter across the ring and then follows it up by beating Gunther and Dominic to head to the chamber. So I think it's very hard to not be satisfied with what we're getting now from Javon Evans. So I'm very excited about that. the fact that we're going to get Javon Evans in the chamber, even if we think it's very unlikely he'll come out of the chamber, that alone to me is thrilling.

8:12Would love to get your thoughts on where you think the Javon Evans thing is going, what you think could be in the crate that is coming on February 28th, whether or not you think the whole crate thing is just kind of cringe in the first place. Like, does it feel just a little dated? Does the cringe thing feel cringe and a little bit dated to you? I saw Sam speculating this week on Chris Jericho being in the crate. I couldn't tell if he was being serious or not, to be honest. That's how good he is. I don't know what the hell he's talking about. 877-344-4893. We'll take an early break right now to get the guys right and then come back with them.

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10:02Okay, Dipperstein, we need you to keep showing up and be confused at 11.35, 11.40 to hope to get you ready to go by 12 o 'clock. Yeah, I know. I got internet problems. This is the life I've chosen, this traveling life of this. I'm a vagabond. I'm a vagrant and a vagabond. Why don't you tell the people that you're staying with, the Tannenbaum family, to upgrade their internet a little bit? Could they show themselves to be on radio? internet but uh we need there's a lot of there's so many devices you know can't we figure out a thing where where no matter how many devices we're good to go i'm also so sick i'm so sick of the i had no internet on the airplane again flying here what is this i know if i pay if i pay for the internet eight dollars whatever it is or sometimes if it's american airlines it's 40 dollars i mean You never know.

10:50It's different. The internet costs different on every airline. Like, if it doesn't work, I want my money back. I know. For the whole flight. No, no, you can get it. You can get the money back. I know, but you have to take hours out of your day to complain to the airline. Is there anything? It's like it's screaming into a black hole. It's insane. Oh, you know what? That reminds me. I got to see if I ever got charged for when I was on that Saudia flight because I paid for the internet and had absolutely nothing the entire flight. But it is the fact that, listen, the Internet is a marvel and the fact that it exists.

11:24OK, amazing. You're impressed by the Internet. No, no, I'm impressed that it exists. You're impressed. It's impressed by the Internet. But it's 2026 and we all carry around miniature computers in our pocket. Why can't the airline industry consistently just have Internet? Like it's just built in that they have Internet. I've been saying this for years at this point. Why do we have to buy it on the plane? We don't have to buy it anywhere else. I understand we're very high up in the air. Put something up there and there's no problem. Well, I mean, if they just give it to you, it's one less scam. Yeah, they don't have enough scams.

11:58People pay for it. They don't give it to you. And then the people who don't complain don't get their money back. So they just got a donation. You want to talk about an industry that has no idea how to make money. Everybody needs to travel. And yet the airline industry, no matter how many different ways they're ripping us off, they're all losing money. No one can make money. All they do is lose money, shut down airlines. The flights are expensive. Getting a seat that fits your frame is expensive. You pay for baggage. You pay for food. You pay for internet. You pay to change your seat. You pay for everything, and yet they still can't make a dollar.

12:35It is a marvel. The craziest thing now. There's two other things. The cushion on the back of a coach seat. why does the cushion need to be a gigantic cushion so that my head is is is three inches in front of my neck push your your cushion's too big it's pushing your head forward of course the cushion is in order so that's a new one i haven't i haven't heard of this i haven't heard of the enormous cushion it's these are big they're big what airline what airline was this with the big giant cushion behind my head i'm i'm sitting forward i'm like what the hell is this even if you put it back then you're sitting straight now are you are you um this is i know i know this is a very common topic uh i'll start with you sgg do you believe that people in coach have the right to recline their seat uh to the fullest extent is this the current larry larry conversation you don't believe i mean it's not it's not my problem anymore but i don't think they i don't think they should i'm reclining instantly the second i can recline i recline I mean, I'm reclining.

13:36The plane just leveled out. I recline it still every single time. You're going all the way back. All the way with the three inches that they give you? Yes, I'm going all the way back. I fully agree with you. I do not understand how people believe that the seats should be able to recline, but you're not allowed to do the recline. The point is, I recline. It depends on who's behind you. If you recline all the way back into my knees, then, like, you're an asshole because you feel a person. What do you mean all the way back? It's three. It's five. At the most five inches. All the way back. If it's touching me, then you've come all the way back.

14:11Into my space. I got to tell you, I'm with Dip on this. I think you have the right to recline the seat. And then the rule is, I've reclined. Now you recline. We're all comfortable. Everyone reclines. It's not going to move my knees back. How high are your knees are hitting my head? I mean, no, no. It's like the bottom of the seat that goes back. reclines. It'll go back into my knee. Yes, it will. Your head won't hit my knees, but the part of the seat that reclines is going to come back and touch my knees. And then there's some people who try to go back further than that, and I'm just like, you're an asshole.

14:46Can't you then try to stretch your legs out straight? Like, just put your legs straight under the seat? So I have to change my posture because the prick in front of me decided they want to recline. Hold on, stop saying prick. They have a button. I'm the prick then. You're calling me a prick. it is just as ridiculous honestly it is just as ridiculous to say that dip is the prick for reclining it's you know you're a prick for being that tall don't be sitting on the plane then if you're that tall go somewhere else you're choosing to press the button you're choosing to press the button i'm not i didn't choose to be this tall i'm not you just said if there's a button to recline the idea that that like the even even the notion that reclining is rude on a plane doesn't compute in my head in any capacity.

15:30That's insane. Everyone is reclining. If you get a non-recliner in front of you, it's a huge luxury. I'm expecting a recline every time. Not taking people into consideration because you have the horn in your car to honk. You can't just honk at people in every situation where you feel like honking. Sometimes it's rude, sometimes it's not. Now you're comparing the recline to the honk? The honk is a fuck you. The recline is a fuck. Oh my God. that's what it is yes it's the recline is not a bleep you that is for sure this is it's too far it's not it's not but all right well hold on this is not the only bad take and it can be this is not the only bad take you're bringing to the show today so don't waste all your energy because you you agree with sam that chris jericho is in the crate i do think it's going to be chris jericho just because every time chris jericho comes back it's in like a creative kind of way like this that we that we haven't seen before but not even come back even his debut right he had the countdown clock um he's always i believe there was like there was like that olympic torch debut when he came back and it's always foreshadowed it was never just like a surprise chris jericho's here There was the one where they advertised a big Hollywood superstar is going to come back.

16:53They did the fake out with the Miz, but it was Chris Jericho. It's always a foreshadowed thing that builds anticipation. And it's Chris Jericho. He's three for three on those right now. And this is going to be the next one. Let me make an observation about the crate. Okay. Okay. When there's an element of surprise and mystery in wrestling, everybody in the entire wrestling community is talking about it. Don't they want people talking about wrestling? This is exactly what I'm talking about every single time I mention something like this. There's memes about the crate. There's AI videos about the crate.

17:26The crate is in my algorithm all day long. Really? Yes. I'm being flooded with crate memes. You're being flooded with the crate. Yes. And this just goes to show you, if you give people a little bit of a question mark to tune in next week, people are going to be talking. This is what people want. Mystery. what can happen next week let's throw a crate out there everyone starts talking i agree but now i'm going to throw it back to you and what do you think is on the other side of that question mark who's in the crate or what is in the crate what does it mean i gotta be honest with you i don't think it's a person i have no idea gobbledygook what if what if it's the gobbledygook like looking exhausted like like like he's been in there for 35 years i've seen him elsewhere so i guess i yeah he's been around i i will say this i feel very confident that it is not chris jericho i do not think we're getting chris jericho now i don't think we're getting chris jericho later i think the moment for chris jericho was the rumble it didn't happen no jericho good night but i think the rumble is you left we all wanted jericho at the rumble but i don't think it's over because like it's jericho right everybody does their surprise come back at the rumble Jericho is just egotistical enough That he wants a not spot And to try to make something out of it And look It's a crate right If Jericho's inside of the crate What is his reveal going to be He literally has no choice But to break the walls down I would love for the walls to be broken down I don't want I want the walls gone It's very on the nose But I think that's a Jericho move listen it's a fun thought do you think he's reclining his feet in the crate?

19:20he's by himself so he can do what he wants in there but if it's a two person I sure hope he's not reclining by the way the delta seats are hard as a rock too they're rock solid it's like hitting the mat I took a bunker every single time I repositioned myself the question is I don't think it's Jericho but then the question is what is it Right. If it's not Jericho, then what is it? Well, you have to answer that question. You're the one who's saying that it's not Jericho. You can't just reject it and just leave it out. It's not Jericho. It's not Jericho. It's not Jericho. Okay, so it's what then?

20:00It's not a person. So it's an item. It's an item of some sort. Well, what's coming up? Well, let me ask you this. SGG if if someone say if someone really freaking freaking good is going to make a return and surprise the world what if it's something to help the freakingator do something like you open the thing I don't know but you open the thing and the thing delivers the message you know what I'm saying and then it's like heads up and music hits you know what I'm saying like what if it's a it's a way to get us to something else but it's not a person coming out of the thing that would be a i heard you say freaking a couple of times there's only one freaking person that you can think of when you say freaking that many times that's right and look that would be he was born he was born his government name is freaking lopez that's what his birth name is and look that would be a call back for him too right because um when seth was champ way back when i think they did drag out a box and unveil uh seth Rollins statue that was then destroyed by Sting and kicked off a feud so that would be a callback to Seth too wow there was a Seth Rollins statue yeah he had it was a bronze statue he had two titles the U.S.

21:23championship and the WWE championship I see it right now I forgot about this Sting destroyed it what a crazy moment in time that we were so ripped off of it of it going further but what a crazy moment that that seth rollins and sting had a story it's an insane thing that that ever happened and i would like to point out wrestlemania next year we had so much hype about what are they going to do in riad for rumble rumble they better do something crazier in riad next year for Mania. We better get at least one. They only were able to do it because it's Saudi moment. You know what I mean? Like we fantasized about like a Purdue style Undertaker sting match.

22:16I really hope they give us some sort of interesting stylized something for Riyadh Mania. I mean, they won't be like an entrance with people riding in on camels. They did that already. They checked that off the box. So that's... I think it's Otis. You need Otis in the box. Yeah. Otis is in the box. Now, Dip, do you want to say just how wrong you were, even though I agreed with you, for being absolutely sure that Gunther was going to win the trouble there? I was wrong. Confirmed. What are your tees? Look, I think it's, look, you know, pull the trigger on Javon Evans. Are you happy? Are you getting enough?

23:01are you getting enough from Javon Evans now? You were worried at first. It was meandering. Do you feel that at this moment you are getting as much and as impactful a push for the young OG as you think is deserved? Yes. Yes, I am. I don't like the thing he does when he comes out and grabs the camera. I don't like, don't grab the camera. You don't like the camera grab? No. No. I don't like the camera grabbing. I like the idea that it's like a little gonzo, what he's doing, like before he comes into the ring. But I think like, you know, work on the entrance a little bit. I think we're like money, but this guy.

23:43I love him. Well, it's funny. When I was watching, and just going back to Seth Rollins for one second, we have a very interesting and funny Seth Rollins conversation that we're going to get into later at the end of the show. So if you're a Seth Rollins fan who enjoys pontificating, or if you're a Seth Rollins hater, either way, we have some. This one's more for the haters, honestly. Yeah, we have a conversation to have later in the program. But do you ever think about how hard it is to keep coming up with entrances? When I was watching the stuff at headquarters yesterday with all the talent showing up and all the people and the creators, yada, yada, it was very funny to me to watch everyone's entrance.

24:25Everyone has to come up with wherever they go their entrance. And it's funny, they're all like slightly like the varying degrees of what that looks like. But like, let me ask you something. When did it become a thing that you had to have your own entrance? Meaning you couldn't just walk out. Because obviously there was a moment when it changed. It used to be that you could just walk down to the ring and then you did something special in the ring. like now they do everyone does some fakakta thing when they first get out into the entrance way ria does the leg thing you know like yeah that's you know aj's thing yeah the thing with the the diamond thing people that started like post attitude era for sure i think i think you guys are wrong i think this goes way back i think it's become more intricate and they added elements more as time gone on.

25:21But even Brett, right? He came out. He opened up his hands, hit the poles, turned around. That's in the ring. That's in the ring. He hit the poles in the aisle. Diesel raised his fist from in the aisle. Everybody did something. And even Hulk Hogan, right? He would come out and do some things. Macho Man would come out. We're talking about different things, dude. Hogan didn't have a thing. It built up. Hogan absolutely did have a thing that he did in the audience. He would point, turn around, point to the crowd in the rafters. Once in a while. But Greg, you're purposely disagreeing with this for no reason.

25:53I'm not. I'm not. Because even like entrance music goes way back. There's a big difference between Rhea Ripley kicking the thing, kicking the floor and doing like an actual choreographed thing rather than Hogan going. Different. Big difference. If everyone listening just pointed both directions. Yeah. With both fingers. but it builds though it's not like people just like you said people just walk down and did a thing like well let me put it this way how about this at what point at what point would it be that when they made the video game characters the the characters had to do the thing because it's part of who they are that happened at some point yeah i think but that goes that's what the technology right because like the video games that we had like the nintendo they just didn't have the graphics for all that extra.

26:43Austin didn't do it. Austin didn't do anything. Austin didn't do anything. Glass break walk. Triple H didn't do anything. Yeah, he did. Until you got to the ring. No, Triple H would stop from the aisle. But that I don't know if he always did that. But what did he do from the aisle? Stood there. He put the water on his head. Yeah. OK. But I know what you're saying. like you know the things the things that they do what like what is um i think p nailed it though i think it does go back to like the video games and like wrestlemania 2000 and those those uh you know those videos no mercy and and those michaels did the pose that i'll give it to him but only at a certain point did it become a thing that he did it at the entranceway but now let me tell you everybody i was watching yesterday everybody has a whole thing they have to do so that goes back to what my thing is with javon is you're saying you don't love the camera grab but everyone's got to have a thing so you're just you're trying to come up with the thing i'll tell you what mine would be reclining i would go and i would this would be my thing i would be i would press a button and what a heel that would be that would be that's that i'd go to the camera the camera would zoom in on me all the way like right to my like mid midway up my torso and i I would click a button and then lean back.

28:09No, I think Dip's thing would be he'd be waiting in Gorilla really early, intensely nervous, and unsure whether he was going to come through. SGG's would be he barely made it out. His music was almost over by the time he walked through Gorilla, and he has to sprint to the ring. That's okay with me. You have to wait through the song. He'd be the only person who, when you hear his music, he doesn't appear. You wait for like two minutes and 30 seconds, and then he comes through and makes it to the ring. I kind of like that. Listen, it would be unique. We do have to spend a little bit more time, though, on just how good I think this Javon Evans thing has been.

28:47That thing with the leg, he kicks the bottom rope, and then he did the twist? Yeah, the court-turn thing. The kick-twist thing, the bouncy thing off the bottom rope? I've never seen that. So let me ask a question right now. is there a chance that we are looking at the best athlete ever in a WWE ring? Is Javon Evans in the conversation of we could be looking at the best athlete we've ever seen? I think he is. In the conversation or he is him? I think he's in the conversation. It's too early to say he's him. I would say I wouldn't say it's too early, but I just I haven't had enough time to consider the other contenders I would say Uncle Elmer also was up there Yep, yep Elmer was he did a lot of different things well Sebastian Booger Booger also, you know, he could get in there he could mix it up Duke the dumpster I think He had some agility, I gotta tell you I remember him having some significant Shelton Benjamin.

29:59Huh? IRS. IRS did a lot of different interesting things in the ring. No, Shelton's up there. I got to tell you, I think Logan Paul is in the conversation. Yeah. I think Ricochet is in the conversation. Ricochet is in the conversation for sure. Kofi is obviously in the conversation. Yes. You know? Bianca's in the conversation. She's pretty good. There are some really incredible athletes, but I think that the bounciness, the man's bounciness. Let me tell you something. Can I tell you who, can I tell you, not that this was ever something this person was interested in, but can I tell you who does not benefit from the existence of Javon Evans?

30:48Not that this person wanted to be here, but hear me out. Darby Allen. It's different or does not benefit? does not benefit. It's not. It's a different kind of athlete. He's not doing. no, totally different kind of athlete. But I just think that Javon is going to take a huge chunk of the kids audience attention, a huge chunk. Oh yeah. In WWE, but I don't like, I mean, I don't think Javon Evans on, on tax. I mean, he could take it. I'm sure you're right. It's totally different. You're right. That is a totally different thing. I just always thought you and I would discuss how fun it would be if Darby were to come.

31:26And we think that the thing that Darby would be utilized in probably this version of WWE would being a little guy who kids were just like this little guy can do anything. And what I'm saying is that's kind of what Javon is. But instead of just getting thrown onto things and nearly dying, he does like the most insanely cool looking athletic things ever. Like, I just don't know. You know what I'm saying? I just think he takes up a lot of bandwidth for what kids would be after. And I don't know that they'd bring in Darby to do the hardcore Darby that we get in AEW. I don't know that they'd ever do that.

31:58No, it wouldn't be the same moveset. But the idea that they have face paint and the emo kids, the skater emo-y. True, it's a different thing. The skater emo-y is a thing. Bouncy and emo are two different things. No, but can you imagine the tag team? Bouncy emo? Bouncy emo. Bouncy emo. Bouncy emo could be a tag team like you dream about. Once Javon Evans can figure out Like a really solid, like some good promo work And figure out his mic skills And a better entrance or whatever I think there's no stopping Javon Evans He needs to bulk up a little bit too, he's very thin But I'd like to see Like slight improvements in him Could cause him to become Like the guy No, no, he is There's so much there, but the thing is It's going to be interesting to see how his character builds Because, you know, based on the interview I did with him in Saudi, which you can go find on YouTube or on our podcast.

32:54Like, he is just completely earnest. Like, he doesn't have a character. That is who he is. This friendly, fun-loving guy is who he is, and it's what makes him appealing. So it'll be interesting to see how it works when you try to adjust it a little bit and add a little more to it, because right now what makes him so appealing is that Javon Evans is just so absolutely doing. in 877-344-4893. We will want to get you guys on the show as well. A lot more to get to from the week that was. We should also spend at least a little bit of time on Grand Slam and what went down in Australia. We'll get to that as well.

33:32We have a very, very stacked show on Sheep Heat Live Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Let me ask you a question, SGG, and we're going to get to some of these phone calls and talk to the people in the nation at 877-344-4893 as well. Kelly, can you resend the callers for me? Let's talk to some of them peoples. But am I the only person – I can't remember if I said this last week on the air just to you guys in private conversation. SUG, am I the only person who feels like AJ Lee's character is – while she's obviously the good guy who's getting cheered for, the way she carries herself is completely like a heel?

34:09Is that just me? I agree because she seems so condescending. Now, she gets away with it. It's so condescending. She gets away with it because her targets are the heels. But I mean, it's not that far off from she's also the bad guy. Dude, all she does is gas herself. Talk about how she created the division. Talk about how the Divas title was hers. She said Becky had a 10-year head start and she still can't pass her. Everything she says is what a heel would normally say. except she's saying it to the super... Oh, she's dead ass. She means it. But you know what it is, SGG? Maybe that's why it strikes me as heelish is that I can tell that she means it.

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35:44Make sure you're following us on Instagram, by the way, so you can see the videos we post every week and weigh in on the comments section. Cheap Heat Pod on Instagram. Make sure you give us a follow. Dipristine, are we making progress on the cream cheese business or steps being taken? Yeah, actually, there's some things happening. There's some, there's some, yeah. Cheap Heat cream cheese is not, is a realistic possibility. It's something that could, in fact, one day be a thing. 100 percent you know we just have to decide is it going to be vegan is it going to be gluten free is it going to be a lot of conversations a lot of conversations to have i know since we're having in america what i would like to do is i would like to produce it and include like some unnecessary disgusting and dangerous chemicals can we do that like it's completely done please why don't we just dump some international delight in the batter they won't they won't sell it in america if there's no disgusting and they will not listen i don't want one of these healthy products that people will eat in other countries i want poison that you only are privy to have if you have the the joy of being in the united states speaking of speaking of poison you saw the the picture i sent from my office of all the the smorg of of bars you saw what i was talking about i could try a new bar every day for 365 days and never have the same bar so many bars dude so many bars not enough time It makes Emilio Sparks sick.

37:09Did you try the David Bar? I haven't had the David Bar yet. What are you doing? You live in the land of Bodegas. Go get a David Bar. I'll look for a David Bar, see if they're less than$9. Today I'm going to, I have to go back to WWE headquarters. Is there any chance they have a David Bar somewhere? No, I don't think so. Is it higher level than the PB &J Bar that I showed you the other day? what is um yeah yes that is just a blob a brown blob no but are they the same log but are they are they the same like general class of bars i don't mean how they look but like they stupid expensive dumb bars yes it's same family but speaking of this okay i buy the kids can't i buy i buy the tanner bomb kids candy every single time i come okay let me tell you how much a bag of Haribo candy at JFK airport is$7.49.

38:07You're a clown for buying the JFK airport. You know. I agree. You're a clown. I just, I forgot. So I went into the thing there, the Hudson where you have to use them. There's no human beings working in these places anymore. Now you got to go and scan the thing yourself. And you have the 10 different options. Can you imagine? SGG, can you imagine being the person online behind dip trying to use the machine at the airport? At CVS. At the self-checkout at CVS. I just bring somebody, an employee, someone over, you go immediately. I don't even try to do it. I say, I don't know how to do this. I need you to do this.

38:39Thank you very much. I don't, I don't even, you buying anything at a Hudson news as a gift is punishable by death. It's the worst. It's candy, but the markup on everything there, I mean, it's the quest bars are$7, six 99. Honestly, I would have believed it if it was worse. The waters are$8. It's all a nightmare. I close my eyes I go to the register The worst part is you're doing this on your way out Is it that hard to just say can you stop somewhere I don't want to plug the bunch of candy bags On the plane so I buy them Wait wait you bought it before you left No he bought it on his way out of the airport No I bought it at the airport In New York So he landed here Wait wait hold on real quick you bought it in New York Yes So why when you take the Uber to the house, you can't ask the driver, hey, if you see a CVS, can you pull up?

39:34I want to run into a CVS real quick. To stop? At 5 o 'clock in the morning, I'm asking a guy to stop at a convenience store to get candy? For three more dollars, I'll buy it when I'm standing at the airport waiting for my bag. You're right, but that's how they get you. That is literally the entire Hudson's plan. I've got got. Okay? I got got. You've got got. Now, I do want to give everyone an update because last week I told you I was going to Carbone for the big dinner. Wait for this. I have to tell you guys, the Carbone experience, the experience of going to Carbone for a meal with your loved one is absolutely not a blah, blah, blah experience.

40:18It is a very, it is a mage experience. Talk about 20 years too late. I mean, this is the cold of restaurants. How long has Carbone been hot for? Seven, eight years? Yeah. Yeah, seven. I'd say that. It's still in the middle of its run. I mean, for God's sake. You think the run's over? I'm sensing a bad turn in the Carbone. I don't think so. I think Carbone's doing quite well. I was there. Let me tell you something. Hot people galore sitting everywhere eating overpriced Italian food up a storm. It was a lovely experience. Delicious overpriced Italian food. Yes. Yes, I thought the – I had a couple of things I loved.

40:57I had a couple of things that were not the way I would have had them. They did a lot to the shrimp cocktail. They had a lot of – I don't even recall the shrimp cocktail. They have a lot of flavors going on with the shrimp cocktail. What does that mean? They're doing things, okay? It's not just a shrimp that you're dipping in a wasabi-ish cocktail sauce that's like hot. Oh, there's other little things. There's a pink sauce. Isn't there something pink? No, they're mixing things into the sauce. It's just got a lot of flavor, and I didn't want – I like my shrimp cocktail. This is why I love the St.

41:33Elmo's. It's a giant plain shrimp that you drop in just nostril-clearing, wasabi-ish horse radish sauce. That's it. I like to choose how much I'm dunking. I don't like to have to take some off. No, no, no. You choose the dunk. Take some off. You choose the dunk. What they give you at Carbone, it's already got stuff on it that has flavor and more than I wanted. So I didn't love the shrimp cocktail. We ordered a prime rib that also had sauce on it. I'm not a prime rib guy. It was a sauce steak. Prime rib is a fatty thing. You have to cut around. You're cutting around fat. You're cutting around fat.

42:17You're cutting around fat. I don't like to cut around fat. No fat on my meat. No, we know how you feel. I mean, you won't even, if you notice even one spot of your eggs that looks like it's been browned, you're puking at the table. So we understand how seriously you take this. Let me get the best part of the experience besides how they treated us, which was like pure gold, was when you get to the table. Dip told me too. He gave me the heads up. The bread gimmick is out of this world. It's an out of this world. It is. Here's what they're doing. This is brilliant. They're saying, we know you're going to spend$300 here tonight.

42:52Okay? We know what's going on. We are going to give you a bread and cheese experience like you dream about. That makes you feel off top like you've ripped them off. It's a genius thing. Because they put down, SGG, they bring you the bowl of bread. It's three different breads. All delicious. All warm and awesome. then they bring you the the the what is it a parmesan wheel yeah there's a there's a cheese crumbly cheese thing they bring the big parmesan wheel with the knife and they're hacking off chunks of cheese cheese for you like they hack the cheese and it's it's fantastic and then and then i've never seen this gimmick the hacking the hacking cheese thing it's quite a great gimmick It's a great, it is.

43:45I want somebody to come to my house and hack cheese onto my plate every night. It's a great gimmick. Let me tell you, it's the doink the clown of bread gimmicks. It's, this thing is perfect. Then they bring, in addition to that, to polish off the bread and cheese, they give you the plate of perfectly floured salami. So you have the salami, you have the cheese, you have the bread. you go into it mentally thinking i already won here it's genius and then they charge you an arm and a leg for everything and you have a great time they mark up everything else to cover the cheese wheel hacking up to cover the cheese no it's a it's a fun time if you're at the where is the one in vegas at aria dip yeah there's one at aria in vegas there's one downtown it's a good time shouts to very friendly bartenders too by the way it's it's great it's a thing they have to be friendly.

44:40They're trained well. You could talk about anything with them. What about the sommelier gimmick they have where it's like a guy. He's not just a wine guy. He's like their alcohol guy. He walks up and is like, hey, can I talk to you about our drink menu? He just has advice to give you. Do you like this kind of gin? Do you like this kind of bourbon? They've got gimmicks galore. You know what? There's a button on the right. You can recline your seat. It's a perfect... Carbone is the best. They've got all All the gimmicks, dude. So it was a nice Valentine's Day situation. Then we went home to D.C.

45:16and saw my family, which was quite nice. Had a little celebration. My brother, and now that my brother is a wrestling fan, my brother sat around with me watching Grand Slam. I had to explain to him what the Grand Slam situation was. And it was very hard to explain, I've got to be honest. He's like, what is this, a pay-per-view? And I'm like, no, it's not a pay-per-view. but it's matches are kind of like a pay-per-view. It's class at the champ. He lived through class at the champions. No, he didn't. He doesn't remember class at the champions. Stop it. He doesn't remember. Saturday night's main event.

45:51He know about Saturday night's main event. It's a definition of pay-per-view and Jace. Yeah, but it's not even quite Saturday night's main event because it airs in the same time slot. They have a normal show, but it has a different name. It's, it's all, it's just its own thing. It's its own, you know, situation. We watched the, the max Brody King match. we enjoyed seeing blood how great is that Gonzo the Gonzo bomb I think I said it before the Gonzo bomb is an awesome move it looks so violent I don't know and he's such a big dude that anyone he picks up it looks like from a little guy it looks like if you're small and he does it to you it looks like you're dead if you're big you're like wow I can't believe he got a guy up like that and moved him around like that there's something there I don't know how far it can go.

46:41I just don't know based on there. I don't know. But between the Gonzo bomb and the choke out over the ropes, and how he just physically looks, this gigantic covered in tats guy, we've just never seen a him before. He is a truly unique. He sells. He's awesome. I love him. There's something going on with Brody King. Yeah. you think you think you think that the um the the federation of wrestling would ever be interested in a brody king i don't know sug you think what do you think he is he is like gigantic and interesting looking yeah and i think i think they could use him because like you said he has a good look he has a great skill set in the ring that finishes awesome i'm not going to disparage him by saying they could coach him up because something like that saying something like that gets clipped then it gets used the wrong way.

47:33But I do feel like the Federation of Wrestling, listen, their goal is the same as AEW. They also want to be where the best wrestle. They want to put on a great show. And he is somebody who looks like a character. You know what I mean? Like, he kind of has that Aleister Black look, but like if Aleister Black doubled in size and was just a monster. He does look like Aleister Black, was gone for two years, went on a crazy cycle, and came back and was like, I'm Aleister Black. That is... I feel like they'd get him better, though. Aleister Black has always been muddled. It's like everyone overthinks what the Aleister Black character is supposed to be.

48:21It always feels like it ends up getting too complicated. Remember when he was in NXT, and I literally was obsessed with him? Yes. I was obsessed with him. We had him on our show. We had him on G.B. back then. Yeah, back then in the early days of me being involved in the show. You weren't on the show. You were just awkwardly hanging out on the side and then chiming in quietly. That's right. The Black Mass was my favorite move in wrestling for several years, for sure. It's still great. It is great. It's great. It's the best kick in wrestling. I hate to say it. I feel like the problem is when they started to let him talk, it took away from some of the mystique because like a muted badass there's a lot of mileage there and I know you want people to cut promos and you want them to expand their character connect to the crowd and the easiest way to do that is to give them a microphone but some people just need that mystique I don't know I'll tell you who has that type of mystique Greg Hyde of course Of course.

49:24Are you kidding me? Yeah, the guy's on a different level. Also, just a couple of business-keeping notes here if you're a part of the Cheap Heat fam. Next Thursday, I am hosting an Elimination Chamber show on ESPN 2, 2 o 'clock next Thursday. Myself, Joe Fortenbaugh, and Big E-Tour. the three of us will be doing a Elimination Chamber preview show on ESPN television so that'll be fun and also I don't know if anybody tuned in this past Wednesday to WWE Evolve on Tubi but I have a new job Robert Stone is above us now he's better than Evolve he has been made the GM the interim GM at NXT I gotta tell you he's doing a great job he's doing he's the man cares about the job he feels like a gm he feels like a weasley gm okay i agree i'm i'm into it i truly hope they let him be the weasel he could be like if they if if they i hope they choose to not make him generic he needs weasel qualities he is so he would be so good at being like acting like everybody's best friend but kind of screwing over everybody yeah and and you want to talk about like a little weaselly guy who's satisfying to see him just bump all over the place he you get the payoff with him at the end because he can get his ass beat at any time like you could use him to turn people heel that need to be baby face baby face needs to be healed like you could use him as a utility guy in it to move storylines around they need him they haven't had that as we know like we they now with rob stone you could you could have an effective gm that actually is included in stories and isn't just saying you know the year that this is happening no like we don't need that in nxt we need somebody to move it around i hear what you're putting down and i agree i believe now there is a gm there that you could really use to be meaningful to like to to affect characters he's so good man and again i'll pay off because he can bump at the end they could have used ava in that way and it would have been great but they they didn't use her in that way well she never became a character right but that's what's great about Rob Stone right now is that like it's Ava just became exactly like Pearson Aldis right play it down the middle I'm kind of fair I'm just here to make the decision and do the right thing Robert Stone is not that he's he's not that it would be it wouldn't come off as good if he even tried to be that so just him having that separation from the two guys on the main roster is mage I really hope that that's the way they try to do it anyways but as a result of Robert Stone's big move to NXT interim GM, he's left Evolve.

52:29And we have now been joined by, who was our former ring announcer, a great utility guy who does so many things well, Blake Howard. Blake's natural skill set is play-by-play. So Blake has slid into the play-by-play chair, and I have moved over to the color commentator chair, which I have to tell you I'm pretty excited about our first show aired this past week I'm just getting used to it I'm just sort of developing how to do it but we know this guy's a seat recliner

53:09I was on a flight with this guy last week Blake let me tell you pushed his seat all the way back that's pretty good terrible guy by the way we have a taping tonight i am finding a way to get in this is the kind of guy who sits down on a plane and reclines his seat all the way back doesn't even care who's what i know who's your recliner what's her name the russian name what's her name lover petrovich petrovich she's recliner you're getting a secret line so so i've moved into the color commentary chair which a is a lot of fun just learning a new thing and developing a character and b i think i mean it's can i just be honest guys it's just much easier like it's just the amount of work that you have to do play by play throughout an entire show is just there's just so much work to do and color you still have to know what's going on and know the characters but you also get to sit back and react to what the play-by-play person's doing and answer questions from the play-by-play person and just have a little bit more fun.

54:13So if you didn't check it out, we had our first episode, Blake and I, this past week, and obviously we'll continue on next week. A lot of exciting stuff. I got to tell you guys, if you've been sleeping on Evolve, I don't know if you've noticed, some of the hottest stars in NXT right now, Kendall Gray, Jackson Drake, Swipe Right, Sean Legacy, these are all Evolve acts. So I know it takes a little bit of time. We are now approaching one year of Evolve. and it's evolving. Wow. It's evolving. It is definitely, it is worth a watch. Drew McIntyre was on Busted Open at the headquarters yesterday. Let's hear from Drew on his thoughts about facing Cody Rhodes, potentially at WrestleMania.

54:56Who do you want in a ring across from you? Ooh, anybody but Cody Rhodes. The ring. Why? Because you just don't want to give him the opportunity again? I'm concerned considering how the first two matches went and the referee is bailing him out. And for the cage match, I won. And obviously, people are like, oh, it was because of Jacob. Who was it, though? I've not said this. I don't have to. But Jacob said it himself. Wasn't Drew in his way out the cage when I got there. I didn't just overcome Cody. I overcame Cody and Jacob. And I can't get the title back on Cody where he's protected again. He's back in the Golden Boys spot.

55:31There you have it. So he's not interested. Drew's not interested in more Cody Rhodes. That's the right answer. honestly I mean he got the championship already if he didn't get the championship then I'm sure he'd be very interested in Cody Rose but now that he's the champion on to the next he doesn't need to keep doing that dance I just wonder if there's a way to spice things up we talked about this last week like is there a way to spice this up is it is it hell in a cell is it a cage is it a triple threat. Is there some way to take what we have with Cody and Drew, two great wrestlers, and make this a just more exciting proposition?

56:12Special guest referee. Triple threat. You know what? I hadn't thought about the special guest referee. That's a way. That's always a way, in my opinion. It's good for the poster, too. Especially at Mania. And like... A great way to use a stone cold Steve Austin. You know? Yes. Who else is in a place where a match may be a reach, but they could still special guest referee? Sean, but that wouldn't make sense at this stage. No. With him in NXT. Would they get John Cena to come back just to be a referee? No. Not now, I wouldn't think. I mean, who else is like from Cody's past or from Drew's past? That would make sense.

57:03That's the thing. Randy Orton. But you would want him in a match. But if you don't find the right match for Randy, it is a way to have him involved in something very big. Just give Cody the title back. Or just give Cody the title back. And they need to use this match as an opportunity to elevate somebody into a Drew McIntyre feud. Like somebody that needs elevation should interfere in this match, cause Drew McIntyre the title, and start a feud with Drew aside from the title picture. That's what I think should happen. That doesn't solve the problem with Cody. If that happens, Cody is just back on top as babyface champion.

57:52he's back on top from a cheating. He was cheated. You know, he, he didn't win naturally. He didn't win clean. I don't know. I think the bigger issue facing them is, is Cody. I agree. I agree. That's an elephant in the room right now is what, what are they doing with the, I mean, I think, I think the whole wrestling world is waiting for, is looking for Cody Rhodes to be to boot Cody Rhodes. I really believe that. I really believe that. I mean, how long, guys, it's, it's a good three and a half years ago. where we had the conversation about how everything Cody is heel, except for him being a heel.

58:30You know what I mean? Yeah. All right, guys. We have much more to do here. Dipperstein has to dip. He has a meeting he has to get to. We have much more to do. Happy weekend. It is GP Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Stay tuned. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. New on WWF Home Video. China Fitness, more than meets the eye, takes you through the exact workout that made China the perfect blend of beauty and brawn. Take the China Challenge with over 40 minutes of heart-pumping action. China will work every inch of your body. You're going to have the workout of your life and you will get results.

59:09China Fitness, more than meets the eye. Get it now and get in shape. Available at Walmart. We sell for less every day. All right, ladies and gentlemen, And as we continue on on Cheap Heat Live, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7, I'm your forever 24-7 champion, Peter Rosenberg, Stat Guy Greg. Dipperstein had to dip, Erstein. But we will take you up until 2 o 'clock. And then, of course, more fantastic coverage throughout the day here on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. Been a big week. Everyone was up at HQ yesterday. Saw that. I was not. No, me neither. I checked my email when I saw the entire crew there and I didn't I checked voicemails, I checked emails.

1:00:07But you know, there's always 2K27. You know. Put us in the game, baby. Let us get in the game. You know, there's always If it's in the game, it's in the game. But we're not in the game, baby. Not at all. Yeah, no, no. No, not. But there's great stuff. I listened to a little bit of I listened to a little bit of Busted Open. They had Blake Monroe on. I saw someone to CM Punk. They had some CM Punk. CM Punk was on Busted Open? I believe so. Wow. Sam had, I know, Wade Barrett Sam had Jacob Fatu Sam had his house at headquarters well listen that I already know that Sam has his house at headquarters that's the illest that's the illest Sam WWE flex that's the thing he's most proud of and with good reason incredible some people just get an office he he got his house no he has his whole house in hq in fact he's he i'm sure he told him he'd be willing if they said we need you to move into your house in hq he'd do it yeah with a heartbeat yeah he dragged the family the kids all three kids everyone's going to live in hq um but you know sam was you know sam was flexing yesterday because they had every other you know wrestling content creator was out everybody was out all the all those the the the pro wrestling nation 24 7 talent you know so many other different content creators shout out to adrian shout out to adrian he flew in denise salcedo flew in tim hon rivera you know jumped on the train from the city.

1:02:08Would he do anything else? No, I had to. Sean Ross Sapp made the trip. Everybody was there. They were all set up, you know, with their microphones on the red carpets and in this area. Nah, Sam was set up in his pretend house inside HQ. Yeah. I'm going to give Sam an air horn for that. That's a good one. you really got to drop a bomb for that that's unfortunately that's not here how about this we'll take that we'll take that but meanwhile for us yeah sad sad and dipper steens in town and dips in the area too we all could have gone yeah so it's unfortunate it's unfortunate now s-u-g um you did you did bring something else to my attention that i wanted us to get to before the show ended that was interesting take us through what what you've been the conversation you've been having having so i like everybody else on wrestling twitter i i get on my phone sometimes and i scroll and i came across a tweet um someone with the handle OVO Soul.

1:03:27They said, do you think Seth Rollins is top 10 in ring all time WWE? And then somebody else named the Big Egg said, I don't know that Seth is top 200 all time in WWE history. To which Phil Schneider from The Ringer, friend of mine, Phil replied, lots of people have been in WWE at least for a bit. I mean, Taka, Santo, Tenryu, Greg Valentine, Aja Kong. Seth Rollins is barely a top 10 member in the age of the fall. And that's when I had to jump in. And I said, this is an insane take. You cannot name 200 people better than Seth Rollins in WWE history. 50, maybe. 100, I don't think it's doable, but I hear you out.

1:04:23200, not possible. And apparently, I'm the crazy one because people came out of the woodwork to tell me that there are, in fact, 200 people in WWE history better than Seth Rollins. Phil, he named 200 people. Phil Schneider from The Ringer. Yeah. Named 200. He gave me 200. I'm trying to find I hate let me see replies I hate how it's so hard to figure out like to find when was this when was this conversation this is about two two days ago okay it's a couple days ago so yeah I got you right now on the 200 I'm gonna send it to you right now well I just I just want did it start with did it start with this post about um oh here you sent me something and I think he even went the extra mile of trying to put it in alphabetical order so shout out to him for that because I wouldn't have done that no he's for the record for the record this is not what i would call with a life oh it's this and listen it's my fault this is a little bit of entrapment because i did lay down the challenge of uh finding 200 names better than seth rollins but i don't think he did it i think what people did was they found people whose in-ring work they prefer to seth rollins but But let's be clear.

1:05:48They did not find people. Wait, so I just want to say. Not 200. So real quick. You wrote insane take. You cannot name 200 people better than Seth Rollins in WWE history. But you're not getting roasted here for this. It got retweeted a bunch of times, but you didn't get roasted for this. Or was it the one before that got roasted? No, no. I definitely got roasted because people wouldn't, people didn't at me or necessarily reply. But there were, there's a hundred, there's, there's not hundreds, but there's a bunch of tweets out there referencing this idiot who thinks that you can't name 200 people to accept dollars and i mean when those tweets get sent to me i mean i know i know the deal i'm the idiot that's talking about but it's i i do not the names okay so hold on phil said greg you know if you call me out i have to do it i stand on my ish give me a couple hours you said you do not have 200 names he said light work he did say light work too cold scorpio he he went real quick the second name he made it one name yeah adrian adonis is a better in-ring talent than seth thank you he made it like you said he made one name before it got shaky.

1:07:11Wait, but hold on real quick. He said Akira Tozawa is better in ring than Seth? I'll give it to you. Akira Tozawa, he was a monster on the indies. But we're still talking about Seth freaking Rollins. Yeah, but Andre the Giant was better in ring than Seth? Yeah. Barbarian was better in ring than Seth? He said barbarian.

1:07:39it gets better. By the way, Becky is better than Seth in ring? In ring? No. Ask her that. Ask her if she agrees with that. She does not. She cannot. Batista? He included Batista as being better in ring. Psychotic. Yo, there are a lot of people he's named here who I love. I love most of these people on this. Bob Orton Jr. is better? No. Dude, Brian Christopher was a better wrestler than Seth God bless him R.I.P. shout out to him R.I.P. Bruiser Brody Bruiser as a wrestler Bruno San Martino Better wrestler than Seth Just based on where Seth Just based on how far ahead Seth is From Bruno Jimmy Snuka Jimmy Snuka P, did you see all the buddies in here?

1:08:35We got Buddy Roberts, Buddy Rogers, and Buddy Rose. He didn't include Buddy Matthews? Buddy Landau? Those guys, at least he was honest about those guys. Jim Brunzel, Pete. Jim Brunzel. Phil, I am amazed that you wasted this much time being this wrong. Jim Brunzel Jim Brunzel a great high jumper this is insane he had Dax and Cash both members of the revival they're both better than Seth hey listen people he has The Rock up here guys Seth is a goat he has CM Punk up here I love CM Punk but CM Punk is not better in ring than Seth Rollins Seth Rollins when this whole thing goes down is going to be probably a top 20 everything in ring overall Seth what are y 'all doing?

1:09:50Honestly, what's the so Phil is whatever, he's making his point he's now having fun with it, he's horribly wrong insanely wrong one name, made it to Adrian Adonis before he showed his whole thing with a house of straws it's the other people other people were like animated about this this is my the internet people will just say absolutely anything with conviction yeah that's what i mean listen and you've been on that side of it before i've seen you do the same thing but not this bad not that not 200 better than Seth Rollins back. Listen, I keep kayfabe, but at least I let my people know, look, I'm just having fun with this.

1:10:31I'm still, you know, proof of life. I'm still all here up here. Can I ask you a question? I want to see if you can give me an honest answer about this. Okay. I think you've come a long way and you're at the point where you're capable of answering this without being crazy. I think, but I can't be sure. We'll see. We'll see. I mean, you know, I'll go through any lengths to entertain the people. So if I have to sacrifice myself... You know, listen, this is the... A lot of people don't realize, but this is the tribal chiefs show in many ways right we we know we know that roman is an appreciator of cheap heat and we appreciate him very much and by the way roman is on phil's list and roman absolutely is better than seth ron's in ring okay i'm not gonna i'm not even he is that there's one name that i completely will fill we could we can well you know i hope one day we see that play out and uh in front of us and see where it lands but what is it about like adult roman reigns fans that like they have to talk like i mean fan because i'm a fan but i mean like i mean like you like what is it about the fan boys i'm using the wrong word what is it about the fan boys of roman reigns that no matter what their age they literally like live and die over wins and losses like I saw the clip of O'Shea Jackson talking to John Cena and when John Cena told him that he was originally supposed to beat Roman O'Shea looked like he lost the color in his face like he was like there was there was the idea of a loss like it's what can you help explain why y 'all can't be normal about this man?

1:12:15Every other wrestler? The Tribal Chief run would not hit the same if it wasn't an unbroken streak of dominance, right? Because we don't get the 1 ,316 days if Cena cracks it in the middle, right? We get a long lane over here and a long lane over there. That's enough reason, SGG. That is enough reason in retrospect to do the following. Oh, man, I'm glad that didn't happen because I think the story worked way better with Roman Holden the title. Boom! How clean was that? Normal, civilized human being. But that's not a meltdown about what could have been that wasn't. You have to have the near meltdown.

1:12:59And I do want to correct you on one other thing. Go ahead. I am not a Roman Reigns fanboy. I prefer fan guy. I've upgraded. Fan guy, correct. FGG. So not a fan boy, a fan guy. But yeah, when I saw that too, I was like, my gut reaction was, if that would have happened, I would have started a riot. Now, granted, the riot would have been me knocking stuff off the minibar and then putting it back so that I don't get charged because you know how they do. Were you in a hotel room? No, no, I was there, but I would have had to wait. I'm not going to be uncivilized and try to get myself banned from future live events.

1:13:43What was that? SummerSlam? Yeah, that was SummerSlam. Money in the Bank? What show was it again? It was SummerSlam because Cena came back at Money in the Bank after Roman beat Edge, I want to say, and then challenged him to the match at SummerSlam. And then we saw how it played out. Right. SummerSlam 21. Yeah. No, and it was, I'll tell you what. it was a hundred percent the right thing to do even though at the time i was in that era of like oh my god can john cena just win already not there it would because the truth is you know cena in 21 was doing pretty good but he was already a different slowed down to some degree john cena and him just showing up and beating roman would have been weird yeah i i do think that would it if i recall sg it was kind of an awkward clunky match like the style like almost intentionally so no i thought it was a good match but then again i'm a real fan guy but i thought the style was almost intentionally kind of like grapply and and and a little slow if i recall but i could be wrong been it's been four years five years that's five years ago already yeah this year that'll be years ago that's the crazy part how how far we've come from all the tribal chief stuff no no great when he said the other day it's been what do you say it's been like three years yeah four years that was when i was like no way the roman thing has been we've been past tribal chief for that long you do the math it's been five years ago since cena and roman at summer slam five years guys is the difference between WrestleMania 3 and SummerSlam at friggin' Wembley.

1:15:40Yeah. Like, we are talking way later. Like, that is like, when we were kids, it's era shifting. S-U-G, it's 82. it's like morocco at msg in 82 to hulk hogan slamming andre in 87 like it is insane to think that is the time it's been um that is truly wild i also i haven't got i only got to see clips of cena on uh osay jackson but uh sorry and and and shouts to tj jefferson as well um every clip i've seen has been great though yeah great clips from the no contest wrestling uh podcast they did a great job uh with cena but i also saw one little other headline that the scene a line of like the people who had things to say about my last match were the same people telling me i sucked you see that line no i didn't see that lot yeah he said he said the same people saying they had a problem with my final match are the ones who used to tell me that i sucked now there may be truth some that there may be truth to that within the case of some people yeah but but that's also that's also painting with a broad brush and not accepting in my opinion what is valid criticism that some people have with that final match yeah i'm sorry like i feel like people who loved him like really loved him were more vocal than the people who thought he sucked with the results of those final matches because not that they were necessarily let down But like the never give up guy gave up like and the people who really loved him, he was their guy.

1:17:26And he did the thing that he promised them that he would never do, that he conditioned them to never do. That was the thing he did. And I know he was trying to be poetic with it. But the execution, I think it was the people who loved him more that hated that. I, I, that's where I'm at with it. And listen, I've never thought he was the greatest in ring performer of all time, although there's not 200 better in history, but he's, you know, I still, you know, his greatness is, is, is beyond documentation. And I've talked about how he brought me back to wrestling in so many ways that doesn't change the fact that like, you can absolutely feel you loved some of the matches in cena's run i loved aj styles yeah i loved logan paul yeah i really enjoyed randy orton cm punk um i loved cody at summer slam at summer slam loved cody at summer slam like he had great matches the fact of the matter is you know criticism about art is hard and people have different opinions about it yo i think they got it wrong i don't think cena should have tapped and as i said the day after it happened um i think i think he should have fallen asleep and never given up and my argument for that That is Gunther still is Gunther.

1:18:56He's still the man who put John Cena to the sleep like a bitch. Oh, really? Does that not hit different? Does that not hit the same? Tap like a bitch instead of slept like a bitch? Is it really that different for Gunther? I don't think it is. I think it absolutely would have worked. And the beauty is when people are still buying John Cena action figures and wrestling cards and DVDs and posters and t-shirts and hats and wristbands for the next 30 years that never give up hits the exact same way John Cena is never aging past the point he is right now that's the beauty of wrestling it never ends you are that guy forever and they will sell it to us forever and that's why we love wrestling and think it's great because you get to live in the nostalgia forever.

1:19:48One of the reasons we resented Hulk Hogan because of the human mistakes of Terry Bollea is because he messed up the image that we love to have from our childhood for all time. That's why Terry Bollea disappointed the Hulk Hogan character. The reason Ric Flair still rocks to this day, warts and all, we know Ric isn't a perfect man, but is because at the end of the day, You still you see Ric Flair out. He's still styling and profiling like he is that dude. Yes, he's got flaws. We know that. But he is the brand that he's always been. And you can continue to sell that forever. John Cena is always going to be never give up guy.

1:20:33So why have him give up in that fashion when Gunther still could have gotten over by having him fall asleep like a little bitch? and I'm going to add to that too I feel like in hindsight they realize that that may have been a mistake or that may not have been the way to go because a month later when it was time to retire somebody else AJ Styles does not tap AJ Styles falls asleep and he goes out thank you for putting the best exclamation point possible so real quick John Cena, the greatest of all time. He had to tap. But AJ Styles, who's wonderful, but not phenomenal. He's phenomenal. Sorry, correct.

1:21:20Phenomenal, but not billed as the greatest of all time. He's not the homegrown WWE only greatest of all time. He's the TNA legend turned WWE Hall of Famer. And he didn't tap. So why did John have to tap? if they didn't all have to tap why did John have to tap it's it's a great point you know what we gotta end the show like that we gotta wrap this thing up it's time to go because that is a I don't know why I just went full Stephen A voice when I said that we gotta wrap this up it's time to go um no uh SGG fantastic shouts to Dipperstein shouts to uh Zach Kelly uh uh the great Emilio Sparks all of you guys make sure you subscribe to the podcast all right wherever you find podcasts it's cheap heat uh cheap heat live on the patreon cheap heat pod on instagram wherever you need to be you can watch our full episodes on youtube they're there as well uh next week we'll preview elimination chamber um i have a i have a an elimination chamber preview show coming to espn 2 next thursday keep your eyes open for that as the espn wwe thing starts to get into full swing as we head towards a wrestlemania so look for that and uh sgg stay mage man and enjoy yourself p