WrestleMania 42 Fallout and What Comes Next

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0:56Thank you, recognized. Sweet, sweet, Peter Rosenberg. Shout out to that guy, Greg. I like delicious chicken. It was repot. It was repot. It's professional wrestling. Welcome aboard. It is Cheap Heat Live on Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7. I am your forever 24-7 champion Peter Rosenberg. That is the stat guy himself. Yeah. Stat guy Greg to you and me. how are you sug i'm i'm good i noticed you're a little bit confused about who i am because i made a terrible mistake today it's it's awful i actually feel what happened really so you know i went to shave my beard down a little bit just to just i was going to ask but yeah i did and um my hand was a little bit too heavy for this task and i put a patch right in it not one that you could like brush over and make it look you know i couldn't even i couldn't do it so i just said you know what i'm just gonna i just gotta go all the way i went goatee with it but i i didn't like how i look with the goatee i looked like did you take a picture i didn't take any pictures there's no way look in my line of work no i didn't want any evidence wait wait did you did you see crystal yet no i'm actually texting her right now to let her know that I look like a big toe and that she should not be alarmed.

2:25I'm still the man she fell in love with, like personality wise, but like looks wise, please don't call in. Cause we had that conversation a couple of weeks ago where she, she admitted to the world that she, she married me in part because I was very, but when she married you, there was no beard. No, there was, it was, she met you though. No, when she met you, when she met, but I was different though. I was like a little slimmer. So, you know, I could get, I had a stronger hairline. So I had the, I had it up top but now i i have you know let's listen and by the way by the way when you say the words a little slimmer you're really little's doing a lot of work there you know what i mean you're having

3:04uh listen by the way it's only it's like it's noticeable don't get me wrong but like you've definitely got the black man's advantage in this regard i'll be back in a week so i'm not i'm not a week i think so i'll be back in like a week i have like a lighter like a little a little five o 'clock shadow in like a couple of days and then it won't be like full beard but i'll be i'll have something to line up to so today i'm like i'm hat fishing a little bit i got my hat on hopefully that distracts not catfishing half no hatfishing yeah i'm hoping that this is what happens on the bottom half but it's i don't think it's working this happened with me and natalie uh early on i was in tampa pandemic days and i don't know what i did but i messed up Natalie and I had only been together for what Nat like a few months four months remember and I sent you the a picture or I FaceTimed you and you were like because I would shave my face completely it was very and by the way back then I didn't even have this much beard I had less than this and it's still all going away is a lot but anyways guys what the hell are we doing Zach broke serious so it was Pat Mac I think it was Pat McAfee we're blaming Zach because he's here, but Pat McAfee did say he wanted to ruin wrestling and he wanted to come for the marks.

4:19And he knew, of course, that the largest gathering of marks on a Friday at noon is right here, Sirius XM, Pro Wrestling Nation 24-7, and he came for us. He tried to ruin our SmackDown. So we apologize. If you're just tuning in right now, no, that was not you. That was a bigger, serious issue that SUG believes was done by McAfee. but we are here now we're still going to go till two o 'clock so we're going to hit you with as much as we can in that time sgg first of all did you i don't even know did you do any patreon recaps i did two patreon recaps night one and night two night one i went solo okay um i think i went about 40 minutes and i have to say you make it look very easy talking to yourself not pretending that you're talking to an audience you make it look very easy it was even harder when you're recorded though because when you're recorded you're literally not talking to anyone like at least last week when i was live from down there i was talking to people and like i'm looking at kelly with a headset on like we're i'm having some you when you're going dolo from the crib yeah listen that this is what makes sam a master no one can talk to themselves and pontificate on wrestling like Sam Roberts.

5:36Yeah, and I mean, I'll be honest, I studied some of you. By the way, make that a promo. I suggest you cut what I just said right there, Susumo, and give that to Sam because that is a great piece of promo business right there. It's a fact. But it's a fact. So then who joined? Did Emilio join you Sunday? And then Emilio joined me for night two because, you know, it's WrestleMania, so you got to up the ante for the second night. Listen, I'm sure Emilio came in hot. The man is very opinionated. He was probably like, hey, why yous want to talk about WrestleMania the whole time when we're a few days removed from Darby Allin mjf for the title but there was no darby allen mjf talk although we should probably get into that too because that no we have to i mean wrestlemania week it wasn't a wwe sanctioned event but that that definitely was part of the excitement of the week the first big thing that wrestling wrestling fans got was that darby allen mjf squashed jace yeah and by the way that that That is partially why I think people are so dumb if they didn't appreciate it at all.

6:36Like, it's WrestleMania week. You know you can't win the week. You could either fold up and just go home, or you could take a swing at something that I can argue, and we'll get into it later, I can argue why it makes sense and works, and guess what? You created some good conversation in a week when you would normally have a huge L. But we'll get into that later. let's just overall start with it sgg i mean how obviously we know you're happy you're wearing your otc shirt couldn't be more happy you know roman is at the top of the mountain once again that's right um how did you how did you rate let's start with night one were you among the very disappointed uh after night one because i know that was out there certainly all over the iwc the internet wrestling fans were upset with night one i was and um not for the reasons that most people were i know they they've looked up the match time they're like oh it's a four-hour show we only got this amount of time in matches bell to bell that's not really that's part of my criticism but i understand right it's wrestlemania it's a show so i want to see the special entrances i want to see the video packages i want to see the pageantry i want to see the comedy stuff like uh We got night two with Dan Housen.

7:56I want to see the Hall of Famers come out and take their bow. That cuts into the match time. So I'm not really that, you know, pressed about the match times. But I do think that this year, because we got everything that you want out of WrestleMania, plus four minutes of ads in between these matches, that they went so heavy on the ads that, yeah, it did cut into the matches and made some of the matches feel a little short. And I don't think we even got as many of the video packages that we that we usually get with a WrestleMania usually it's a video package for every match and you're like damn I forgot about that time that so-and-so cracked so-and-so with the steel chair like I forgot they put these matches together they frame it in your mind so well and then I don't think we even got that so it's interesting SGG because you know one of the things that we talked about leading up to it and we've talked about it before but particularly this year because you were staying home is you were like, Hey, I'm going to do the, I got the best seat in the house on the couch.

8:55Yeah. This year. I don't know if that was true. I don't think so. I think you want to be in the building because I was there and you didn't notice it the same way in the building. In fact, and I don't know if anyone has covered this, but since it's literally, you know, my department there, I certainly paid attention to it, but they actually had entertainment on the countdown desk between matches in the arena. They had, I wasn't a part of it. I was just hanging out watching, preparing for the post-show, but they had Graves, E, and Joe Tess between every match actually entertaining the stadium. Which is a great way.

9:34It's a great way to film that time. And I think, like you said, I think if you're in the arena or stadium, I should say, for WrestleMania, you know a lot of times wrestling fans do this disrespectful thing where they say okay this matches the bathroom break when you stretch it out and you have like that entertainment in between the matches you don't have to sacrifice somebody's work like one of the wrestlers one of the performers and say this is the quote-unquote bathroom break because that's what the ads are giving you right the ads are giving you that time to hit the bathroom hit concessions get your pretzel on whatever you want to do get your beer that's what the ads do for you in the stadium but and i respect that but again i gotta for the home team i gotta represent for the home team i was at home and i'm just like can we get back to the show all right let me let me let me throw this at you though if the main event had ended in a way that made more sense and you felt satisfied at the end to the main event, I believe that would have vastly shaped the perception of WrestleMania Saturday in a different way.

10:41Yeah. People were waiting for that moment to happen. And when Cody just pinned Randy after Randy turned on Pat after Pat had been taken out by Jelly Roll but came back so you got all the mischigas all the nonsense happened but in a way where it was unsatisfying at the end and once you heard that third count and you knew it was over and the music hit and nothing happened there was a feeling of well that's it you know and that for the record that is a bigger problem than this year that has become a problem period with the way things have been booked in recent years is that SUG even on Sunday just to see Roman hit the spear one two three people are not used to it they're like what's a clean finish what it was a super spear and it was exactly what they wanted out of Roman right no no Usos no I would have loved to see family come out and handle it because that's what that's his mo right people are allowed to have their have their thing um him and his family being united is his thing I wouldn't have minded it but yeah the clean finish with the super spear is what they wanted right now that's a case of beware what you wish for with roman reigns because and but but still i could sense the i could sense people like oh that's it well what do we do now so uh listen i i um i've heard sam's thoughts i i don't i assume on the air he said a similar version what he said to me in person the way sam you know sam is amazing at creating a version of the story that literally the writers don't even know about like I told Sam his new job should be he goes in after the match and actually tells the writers what happened but the version that Sam told me of what happened Saturday and why it made sense to me were really entertaining and interesting but unfortunately I live in quote-unquote reality and by that I mean what the intended outcome was and what it felt like to a lot of the people watching was by having pat get taken out the way he did and it's over at the end it reinforced every criticism everyone had leading into it because to me at that point sgg hear me out what i'm saying is by it just ending on that night then it's literally it seems like what people were reading online he was brought in by TKO to boost the momentum of the thing and that's it and now it's over I got to the point where now that we're doing it Greg I want to see it exactly what's the story because I I didn't I kind of guys I know this sounds crazy I know this sounds crazy I kind of wanted Randy and Pat to win And now we're going evil.

13:48And now we're going to see where this thing goes. It ended up, SGG, by having him taken out in the match, I don't understand why you had to take him out twice. I thought the jelly roll elbow through the table was enough, by the way. I thought that was a very clean. People had gotten overloaded with celebrity. And poor jelly roll took some of this now, too. So now everyone's catching it. So when Jelly Roll took him out with the elbow and he looked up and he goes, now I have a clean one-on-one. I went, all right, listen, either way, SGG, they were bailing. Either way, they bailed. Yeah. But it was clean.

14:30It was at the beginning. And now we have a match. And it was a good match. And they have a – I thought they had a great – I really enjoyed it. I can't – you know, we can interpret, you know, the ups and downs Cody went on, sort of hearing the voices in his head, hearing Stephanie McMahon. He got kind of bad. He rubbed the blood on his chest. We can interpret it all the ways we want. But then Pat came out again. Yeah. Now, there's two separate thoughts I have on this. Number one, I'm going to give credit where credit is due. While I did not like the McAfee thing over the last month and in the end really felt by it disappearing, it ended up being as bad as most people thought it was.

15:14Yeah, that does not change the fact that his rundown with the tight ref shirt and the neck brace was hilarious. Like that was visually objectively to me. Good shit. Like that was funny. Good shit. Now, I didn't need it in a serious main event of WrestleMania spot. I don't think that was the right place for it. But just from a sheer performance standpoint, I got to tell you, I know some of you guys are going to hate this. I think Pat, as like a shitty heel, is pretty entertaining and funny and kind of what he's meant to be. Like, I really, I thought that stuff was funny. But now he comes down. SGG, were they trying to say it was a fast count?

16:03Was it supposed to be a fast count that wasn't fast enough? And then Randy said, you F that up, RKO. Is that what they were trying to tell us there? That was the story because, you know, I love Corey Graves, but when he called it a fast count on the post show, I wanted to, I was wondering if he somehow got WrestleMania at one and a half speed or double speed video, because that was not one of the fastest counts I've ever seen. That was probably on the slower end. And then, yeah, he deserved the RKO. But if I'm Randy Orton, though, this is what? What did he deserve the RKO for from Randy's side?

16:38If they if they've been friends all the time. For messing up the count, he deserved the RKO. But this is but still, that's where it falls apart for me, because this entire time, Pat McAfee has been in your pocket to ensure that you come out as champion. He's your insurance policy. Why in the hell are you taking out your insurance policy when he's wearing the one thing that can guarantee that he can do what he says he's gonna do he's in the ref shirt why is he eating the rko before you've secured the championship it makes no sense sam i don't know what he said on the air but sam off the air to me said he took the the randy taking out rko uh giving pat the rko thing as randy being like all right i'm gonna do this the right way now let's let's let's just end this clean and then cody digging deep and knowing what he has to do to beat someone like randy said nah bump that and then hit him with the crossroads and ended it like here's where this here's where the sam roberts propaganda machine you know malfunctions though okay go ahead if randy felt like he had to do it the right way and he had to finish it without the help of pat McAfee, who was brought in for that exact role.

17:58It wasn't shocking that that was what Pat was meant to do. Randy was well aware that they were going to do every underhanded thing to get the title. But if he decided in that moment that he wanted to beat Randy Orton on the up and up and do things the jelly roll way, 90 seconds later, he hits him with the belt, punts his eye out of his head, and stands up with the championship. So he reverses course immediately on that I'm going to do this the right way because now Cody, look at Cody's eye. You know, I haven't seen it today, but it looked horrible on Monday. Horrible.

18:37So I just don't think it works. And I think what this was was probably what most people thought. Yeah. I thought Pat was in, Pat was brought in from the tippy top to make this WrestleMania have some noise and some buzz. We can go back and forth about the level of success it had and whether or not you hate it or love it. I will say this. And believe me, on the first night I saw Pat come out, you guys know. We were on cheap heat that day speculating what's going to happen on SmackDown. Okay? We mentioned some great exciting things. When I saw it was Pat, believe me, I went, oh, hell no, this cannot be it.

19:22However, I also can't lie to you guys, and I also understand some of you may disagree. I was more interested after Pat's involvement in that storyline. I was curious about what would happen. I know a lot of people are like, no, we didn't need it. We had Randy and Cody, and I agree with you. There is a lot of story there, and had Pat not shown up, we would have told a different story, and I'm sure I would have been into that. but I was always curious about what he was going to do next. And shout out to you for being an adult. The story we wanted was not what we got, but we got what we got. So let's see how it plays out.

19:56That's all we can do. I mean, overall, I feel how I feel. It's not my number one favorite story. And I thought Saturday night was, yes, I thought the, the, the main event left something to be desired. And that's a big reason that people were going hardcore with the complaints. As opposed to, for example, celebrating the brilliance of Seth Rollins and Gunther, which we'll get to in just a minute. That's how it felt. In the end, he gone, and now we move on with our lives. That's what it feels like. And then he did what he does, which is then followed it up with an announcement on his show. um which again always feels disjointed to me because i just don't know how many wwe fans are on pat show yeah it feels like a bit of a different world so and and also he just kind of gave a pretty you know a generic statement right he was like yes i'm done i did my thing but it wasn't enough where i believe it either yeah nori has this great thing this great clip from Drink Chips that I think about all the time.

21:09And I forget who he's interviewing, but he brings up something that they talked about in other interviews. And the person lets him know that, like, you know, he spoke about this. And Nori says, look, it never happened if it never happened here. So Pat going on his show and saying whatever he had to say, if we don't see it on WWE programming, I'm sorry, Pat. As far as wrestling's concerned, it doesn't matter because we know that's the wwe model it never happened if it never happened here so you can clean it up for your audience as much as you want but if we don't get that video package on friday or on a monday then well and that and and and that would be even again if they don't make real mention of it tonight you know particularly because the mcafee story was a smackdown story essentially yes if they don't make real mention of it tonight that that to me it's it's it was literally for a two-week build and that's it and we're it's it's not either that or someone bailed on it yeah like it was either that was the whole plan the plan was no it's it's for a two-week push let's see what happens and we move on or they bailed but we'll i guess we'll figure it out as you before we went to the break i started talking about seth and gunther and this is why i think if the main event had stuck its landing more, people would have walked out of night one feeling much better because I thought the start to night one was tremendous.

22:33I did also. That was a great first hour showcase on ESPN2. The six-man tag that you got was exactly what you wanted. EyeshowSpeed already looks like if he wants to be the cruiserweight version of Logan Paul, he probably could be. That's how athletic and talented. The fact that Logan Paul and and iShowSpeed are both so famous from streaming and are both such freakish athletes is wild to me like it's funny both speed and logan paul i feel like could have just been pro athletes if that was the path they went on yeah especially with low with uh speed you know he has that show speed goes pro and like he streams himself trying different things and and engaging in different athletic endeavors yeah i i mean i feel like there's nothing he could not do if he didn't decide that no his gift to the world was just sharing sharing his life with the people yeah um it's he's just incredible so already off to a great start and i what do where do you think they'll go with logan and speed i think it's done for now um which is kind of unfortunate but speed is a kid like he's 21 when he gets back from the caribbean if he decides he wants to to hit the ring again i think wwe welcome him with open arms because i mean his his genius is that he's not and i'll put yadi in this category too they didn't show up trying to look like too cool to do whatever or look foolish like yadi ate a haluva kick and just corpsed like he he hit the ground like like he was dead speed took that spear in the rumble that we all remember was just like bro can somebody check on him after that yeah got into this it was it looked so terrible yeah awful health-wise for him great for everybody who did not have to take the spear and got to just watch.

24:41And then just in the buildup to this storyline, being like the chump who wanted no smoke with anybody and him being comfortable in that role, I think that has more legs than the cool heel who has to come in and kick ass because I'm a badass and my reputation's on the line. I would much rather see people do it the way Speed does it. And for him to be so young and not have any ego about it and do that, knowing that that's the path to more work and the path to longevity and all that. Hey, hats off to him. Hey, listen, it's just a matter, him and Logan are in the same spot of like, do you feel like doing it?

25:17How much do you want to do it? Because I mean, my guess is speed is already up SGG in the$100 million range probably. I'm not pocket watching, but I would have to guess that if it would be around there. Let's see what Google says. I'm predicting$100 million.

25:37iShowSpeed net worth according to a random check on the internet between 30 and 40 million. Okay, that's not bad. It's not 100, but it's not bad. It said it went from under 100 ,000 in 2019 to over 20 million by the end of 2024. Again, this is from the always reliable The Times of India. So you know that's good. It has to be accurate. it yeah the the the website that posts everything that gets said ever on the internet um but yeah either way it's a matter of whether he wants to do this or not but he was very good and then you know we got in drew and jacob what we knew we would get and i thought it turned out maybe even better than expected yeah my only knock against drew and jacob is that the unsanctioned tag it didn't have the violence that i would have wanted out of an unsanctioned match okay fair but But, I mean, there's some factors that play at that, right?

26:36Like, it's airing on ESPN2. You want to showcase, but you don't want to look like the freak show. You don't want people to think that wrestling is like this circus that they might think of it as. You don't want to play into all the negativity, even though that match was built for the negativity. And also, local time in Las Vegas, it was what, like 3 in the afternoon? Bruh, it was so... Nobody's trying to bleed at 3 in the afternoon. Come on. I couldn't believe I couldn't believe how early it was on the post show bro and how light it was it was crazy right it was I was like uh I mean I kind of get it so bright outside nobody's trying to it's the weather's nice you know nobody's trying to see that in the nice daytime weather but I will tell you the video of the sun setting as the tribal chief came out on Sunday it doesn't get better than that were you were you surprised i'm jumping ahead a little bit but i apologize you never know if we're gonna get all the way there were you surprised at all by the tribal chief's appearance on uh the post show i was um not just by what he said but just because i didn't anticipate him you know coming and sitting down at the post show and and cutting some great promos put over all notice you know um but yeah i was i was very pleased with what we got on the post show yeah i i had heard i'd been in the right place at the right time and overheard someone say something about the winner of the main event on post show and the truth is when you hear that based on the history we've seen that makes you think punk thinks think punk yeah because punk and cody big post show guys both have done it many times and just even on monday or Friday, right?

28:23They cut that promo going right into the last thing you see at WrestleMania is those guys with mics in their hands. They love that spot. Roman? Nice. He's off to the PJ. Yeah. But not only does he show up to the post show, but he says, get ready to see my ass all summer. Yeah. I'm not going anywhere. Yeah. Which I was surprised by also. Oh, and that was a big, I believe that's a big shut the bleep up to the potential backlash for the match of people being like, great, Roman wins and he's not even going to be on the show. And he's, well, guess what? He won and he's going to be on the show. So finishing out Saturday.

29:06I thought Becky and AJ was cool. I know people are upset it was super short. I get it. It sounds like they may not even be done yet. I was sure they'd be done. Now I'm not so sure Becky and AJ are done. Why not? based on AJ's interview in the post show. I don't know. I just kind of felt like she might. It would be rubber match, right? That's two singles. I think they're one a piece. Yeah, I think they, I think they all want a piece. We'll see, but they, they, they got SG. I think that was like the worst match time. Given the level of the, the, the talents, how big they are title match. I think their match time was under eight minutes, bell to bell.

29:51Yeah, and it felt very short to me. I remember when the bell rang at the end, I was like, where's the rest of the match? Because even if you look at the, if you just think about it in terms of the feud length, right? When you look at the other matches on the card, Becky and AJ have been feuding probably for the longest amount of times. I'm not going to count Roman Reigns and CM Punk because that was 14 years. But, like, let's be real. Most of it didn't play out the way it played out here on WWE TV of, like, I'm winning the Rumble and I'm going at you. So I'm just going to say that feud counted for this amount of time.

30:31I'm going to do the same thing with Cody and Randy. Plenty of history, but this feud was not as long. But Becky and AJ had been feuding since AJ returned. 8.15 officially, according to Zach. was their match, their bell time. Yeah, they could have got more. I feel like they needed more. And I don't know. It's easy for me to say because then it's like, okay, how do you feel that time? What do you do? But I can't. You're not a producer. They'll figure it out. Right. And also having seen that match, yes, you want to leave the fans wanting more, but you don't want them to feel shortchanged. And I felt shortchanged by that match because they were cooking.

31:11This is where you understand fans getting angry by the amount of spots. Because I heard speculation that SUG, I don't know, 45 minutes of commercials throughout the night, something like that, whatever the number was. Yeah. If it's a number that high and yet you have your talent going, hey, we have eight minutes. I mean, my guess is... Listen, first of all, Becky Lynch is the greatest of all time. Absolutely. We know that to be true. Absolutely. But SUG, is there a bigger woman in WWE right now not named Rhea Ripley besides AJ Lee? Like, she's gigantic right now. Like, this is, she is, people come out for her.

32:01Like, she is, the kids are dressing up. They're buying the shirts. like AJ is a star star and Becky is Becky Lynch so it is a weird one that of all the places to get time all you had to do was give Becky and AJ 12 minutes that that would have made all the difference in the world yeah I think I think Seth and Gunther only went like 16 and but SGG I gotta tell you i do not know the last time i was at an event and a non-main event or maybe even including main event took the crowd on that kind of a journey through nothing but the wrestling yeah like seth and gunther barely have a story okay they did not have a story and and now sug we know after the return of Braun Breaker, that match was twofold.

33:01We need to get these two guys in a match, and a lot of stuff has happened, and we got to get Seth to Braun Breaker. That is it. That is what that was. Mission accomplished, too. They smashed it. Smashed it. Because guess what? Gunther beats another legend. Maybe not one who's retiring, but he beats another legend. He doesn't lose. He gets a win at WrestleMania. Seth loses nothing. by getting speared by Braun and losing, and now we're off to Seth and Braun Breaker. So, oh, and in the meantime, the guys deliver a classic. Like, that's what I'm saying. I don't even have, normally when you're going through the big oohs and ahs of a match, at least a big part of that in the mind of the fan is based on the story.

33:49Yes. Seth and Guter didn't have a story. No. It was just their skills, SGG, just the up and down of the storytelling in the squared circle. Yeah, and I will say this too. That goes to show just how great the roster is in WWE and that talent pool because they took these guys and they said, all right, we're going to put together something. We're going to get you there. Let the bell ring and you do what you do. And it's not the first time WWE's been in that position where they had to like pivot and just put together a match. I think about the AJ Styles and Finn Balor match where I think Finn was supposed to face Bray, but he ended up facing AJ Styles.

34:33And that match was fantastic. And it's like when you have the right guys just in place, ready to go, and you just push that button and say, all right, you don't need to do anything for story purposes. You get to just go. Masterpiece. In-ring, bell-to-bell, masterpiece. we get it almost every time it was a beautiful piece of work just beautiful and now we're going to get I'm guessing did they already make Seth and Braun for Backlash? Not yet but you have to think that that's where we're going to go so we're getting Jacob we'll get the answer on Monday but Jacob and And Roman is backlash done. They did it.

35:24They announced it. I know. No, no, no, no. But I mean, we know that's going to happen. Can't see a way in which it doesn't happen. Yeah, I can't either. Um, Cody, we have to figure out what's happening with his eye. Cause it felt very like relinquish the title. Vibes to me. No, really the way he, like when he came out and punk cut this promo about like, you know, you never know, when a title opportunity is going to fall out the sky and Punk is looking at his title like, listen, man, I might be the next friend to turn on you. You know, I might be 2027's betrayal. Last year was Cedar. This year was Orton.

36:06I might be next year. Or you might not be able to compete and I might just have to put myself in the position to do that now because, yeah, Punk is done with the tribal chief and that world title but he's not done with world championships looks like because he was eyeing that title like it is funny by the way that that punk this is this is the wrestling business the fact that cm punk lost this one and i i don't think he's ever i don't know if he's ever been better no he was so good in the ring i can't believe how well he connected on the elbow from the top to the table he he then in the promo on monday he was he has he's in a comfort like he's just on the mic right now i puncture's rolling man he he really it'll be interesting to see where they go and obviously they teased him and cody in some way and we know we want to get there and now everything's come out i mean uh paul hayman said this in a really fun interview with his son uh i don't know if you saw that sgg i did i saw the clip but paul came out and said it was supposed to be seth and roman and punk and cody so it's out there we know that now um giving his son jacob the big exclusive by the way great job by young jacob who's just 22 can't believe he's 22 already by the way that's crazy that's wild um but you know given that he said it now we well that's what it's supposed to be so we will get to cody and and punk at some point it's just a matter of one um what else are we leaving out from what have we not hit from night one i'm gonna hit you from night one um we hit the first two we hit the becky we hit the seth and gunther we hit the main we're missing one event we're missing one match honestly i'm not sure and i feel so bad i'm disrespecting these is it oh page the page return yeah the tag team the women's tag now now but keep in mind some some idiot we don't know who managed to botch the return of page and and leak it and the jokes and the jokes on them because guess what the pop was still crazy anyway yeah i cannot i cannot believe that at this stage in the game there's still people who would leak something like that.

38:39That she's coming back and the spot that she's coming back in and what she's there to do. People are the worst, bro. I doubt it, but I hope these people are at least getting paid for this. I got something for you, but I'm going to need 20 Gs if I give you this sentence. Oh, yeah, right. If I slide you this post-it with this information on it, you're going to want to know. and you're gonna want to be first i'm gonna need oh yeah sean ross sean ross i'm gonna need 20 or melzer alvarez they're writing checks for 20 grand to get a tip this was this was a 50 grand tip 20 is the steal 20 is no 20 is the low low price and the sad part is that people are just a mark a doodle do they did it for free who just wants to tell someone they know something and thank goodness you know the the moment was still awesome anyway i listen i know it's a very busy show feels like they could have found time to maybe have page and breed do something besides just be seen sitting front row um but i guess we'll get to that next week yeah i guess we'll pick up to the title because obviously there's so many fun different ways to go with nikki now being left out and Brie gets her first tag team title.

39:56Remember, there were no women's tag titles. No, I know. So now Brie is tag team champion with Paige and Nikki's there smiling. That's like, all right, cool. I was alerted to this. I almost couldn't believe it. So I'm hoping the person who told me about it overstated it. A take from coach. I love coach. You know, coach, a lot of people go after coach. he's a villain in the eyes of many in the wrestling internet world but then again so am I so let's and I love Coach is part of the reason I ended up at WWE played a major part by bringing me in that day but I heard there was a take from Coach that was appalling Zach around the club now I will say the one thing that I absolutely hated because of where they put it in the card and I'm just not a fan I don't like it I don't get it is the Dan Housen nonsense.

40:52And they put it right between Rhea and Jade and before the main event that I was starving for. And I was like, I don't need the seven or eight minutes with midgets and Dan Housen and Miz and Cena did the best that they could. But Dave, I hope they didn't sign into a long-term contract because that gimmick is going to get real old, real fast in my opinion. that is a terrible i mean they're bad this isn't just i want to be i love you coach i love you coach i am not the internet wrestling community i am not even though even though i'm certainly a snowflake in some regards i am not the kind of person who just beats people up because they have a take that's opposite the internet okay i i hate that i hate that people are good have the take I hate when people are scared to have a take because the whole internet feels one way and if you say the opposite you get clowned for it it's literally the most childish mob mentality ever that being said holy shit that was a horrible take oh my you hope it was a long term contract you hope it was not a long term contract Dan Housen is going to be cleaning up for merch with this company for as long as he is able to do anything.

42:15I think the most important part that Coach said, and I'm not saying this is a diss because everyone has different tastes, is that you don't get it. Yeah. But it's literally, I will make the case. How about this? Here's my response. I think Dan Housen, and I know, and yes, I'm being a bit of a victim of the moment, but I've been around this thing now in a pretty close way from the interview standpoint, etc close to 20 years i have seen a lot of people come and go i think dan hausen could go on to be the greatest comedy act in wrestling history how about that i think this sgg he has layers as as as someone said to who said it to him this week i don't remember who said it he's not just wrestling funny dan hausen is legitimately comedic laugh out loud funny like he just is.

43:09SGG, it's not like you were some big Dan Housen guy watching him on the indies or seeing him every, he wasn't on AEW every week because he made very clear in my interview with him. But it's not like either of us were like, oh my God, we need Dan Housen. I believe every moment, with the exception of the first one, which was weird, and we weren't quite sure how to process it because he didn't quite know where it was going yet. I believe every moment since then, SGG, he's been comedy gold. Yeah. And it's easy to say that, you know, oh, this is because of the WWE razzle-dazzle. I think the big thing they did for him, the two big things, is the music.

43:48And they didn't say, listen, yeah, you need to wrestle all the time. They let him be the E. You know, they took over the world. They got their wrestling guys. And they need people for that E. and Dan Housen is big for that E, that entertainment. Because like, you know, we talked about the ads and what you get in the arena when the ads are showing. You know, he's a great commercial break act. Oh my God. In these stadiums every week. He doesn't need, the bell doesn't need to ring. But also, SUG, I also had no problem with the spot they used him in. Like, yes, I was ready for the main event, but it was literally a moment where you have two choices you could go grab a drink if you want take a break or you can sit in here and laugh for the next five minutes it seemed like the whole stadium decided to sit and laugh because dan house is on fire but then he comes out i i thought the when he pointed to john cena and then just goes up and i was like hey dan how's nice to meet you and and and john shakes his hand john could barely keep it together that is a guy in john cena who's been in attempted funny wrestling bits more times than anyone could count and he could not not just wrestling oscars oh yeah oh yeah the man was naked at the oscars for espies he's he's the guy that people drop in on these comedy bits all the time yeah cena knows a thing or two about comedic timing first of all cena was legitimately cracking up second of all cena goes on and posted a picture with him and dan house and on his social media to say so glad we could update our pick see the one that the dan house rub too he wasn't just us and i and and not to just put over this show coach but if you get a minute go on youtube and watch my interview with him from last week he is funny and informative the whole time he gives a real interview while being funny and in character the entire time and and not only that he's a he's 35 years old he's got two kids and a wife he's worked his way here through this is why dan Dan Housen is everything I love about wrestling.

46:02It is novelty. It is funny. It is a reminder for the people out there who don't know what our fan base is like, who foolishly confuse our fan base with being like a fight fan base, that we are much closer to like an improv SNL comic book fan base. That's who Dan Housen is. He is the entertaining, funny, smart spirit that has always been a part of wrestling and just does it so well. So I love Coach. I'm not angry at him. It was legitimately one of the worst wrestling takes I've ever heard said into a microphone. And I truly believe that if Coach, I believe in two months, he will amend this take and go, I got it wrong.

46:45Because it's not just me saying it. Yeah. Dude, Natalie hadn't even really seen him yet. and she was busy this weekend. She didn't see much of the show, but then she ended up seeing my posts going on. And by yesterday, everything she was saying to me had housing after it. Where's the cheese housing? Calling Maya. Where's our little friend housing? Like just, I shout to Dan housing, man. Shout to that. So, so cool. And can I say one more thing about the way he was used on Sunday? And you touched on it too, but, It is the perfect spot. It was the perfect place to do that, right? Eddie Guerrero, there's a great Eddie Guerrero story, and I forget who he was in the match with.

47:31I wish I could remember. But they talk about how some match before them was hot, like the crowd was hot, and Eddie Guerrero put him in a headlock and literally brought the crowd down so that they can do what they needed to do for their match without it being like just breaking up the monotony from the previous match to their match. That's what you want to do. You want a palate cleanse right before the main event. That's it. You need that because the main event, this is the show. This is the part that everybody came to see. And it was a great main event. It wasn't brought down by Dan Housen, but you got the palate cleanse so that people could enjoy everything they got from Roman Reigns and CM Punk.

48:17Which, SGG, was serious drama. Yes. So you knew Punk and Reigns was serious drama with a legitimate, clean finish. It was the perfect spot to have the fun, wacky Mishigas right before it. Because right after it, they're hitting you with, no, we're going to do this. This is the serious stuff. This is the pageantry. This is the big entrances. And this is just a one, two, three match. So I think when you look back at it, it was brilliant use. And also, man, have we ever, A, have we ever seen a turnaround this quickly in history from debut to where that person is two months later? I don't know if we've ever seen it.

48:57I think it was faster than two months. Well, it was two weeks. No, it was two weeks. I'm just jumping out of Mania because I think it was six weeks ago that he showed up. At Elimination Chamber, he debuted, guys. Elimination Chamber is the last PLE before WrestleMania. Dan Housen debuted somewhat awkwardly at the Elimination Chamber. by Wrestlemania when we see the final merch numbers there is no question he will be a top 5 merch seller if not higher he's doing this without action figures guys he's doing this without hats he's doing this without pins without little snap bracelets little binders boasters but don't get it twisted they got them shirts they got them shirts they got the mask yo SGG at the merch stand on the floor which was cool They had a merch stand in Vegas out on the floor right near the seats.

49:48Yeah. Oh, that Dan has a mask is right there. Bro, when he gets those action figures, because that's the thing. They have three tiers of action figures. And then they have the LJNs. And then they have the different trucks. When he gets the action figures, he is out of here. No, it's going to be. He's out of here. Don't put him on a card. Don't have him signing cards. My favorite part of the interview is when I said, and what was your wife doing? Brisk! Yeah. He's just... It's true. He invented a brilliant character. All right, I got a break. I got a break. Zach's yelling at me. Taking one break.

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51:55But also, we've assembled the best of The Rock's entertaining interviews and ring promos for you to enjoy. There's over two hours of video proving to the millions and millions of The Rock's fans why he's The People's Champ. enjoy these great WWF releases now available everywhere oh yeah the final 10 minutes or so for a big episode of Cheap Heat SGG do you have your tickets to see Michael yet not yet but I'm definitely going my tickets are purchased today you're going to see it today tomorrow 430 IMAX I'm in there baby now will i be too close to the screen i got in a little bit late i bought these like two days ago and i mean the nighttime shows were forget about it yeah the 4 30 i'm in the i'm in the fourth row towards the middle i i can handle it i think i can handle it you know you lean back in those seats like and it's just going to be a concert it's not going to be like it's that's exactly what it's not what I'm expecting.

53:06Yeah, so it's not like it's going to be like an action movie where you can't take everything that's coming in from, you know, so close. I'm hoping that because it's just like concert footage, I just want to hear it and see it well, that it works. But I have to admit, I have high hopes. I just, all I'm looking for is like the feels in the movie, like that they do a good job with like the creation of those songs. So then when you hear them like get played and he does them at the concert, like everyone just goes crazy and it feels awesome. That's all I'm looking for. I feel like they had to. They cannot mess up.

53:38I mean, they could, but I hope they didn't. Because listen, we know what you're not doing. Telling the truth. So can you do me the favor and just get me the most entertaining version possible? Because whatever version they give us a Joe Jackson, it ain't going to be the true real version of Joe Jackson. Listen, we have the Jacksons, the American Dream. It's not a documentary, but it was like a five-part miniseries from back in the day. That can live and breathe and be its own thing. But this can be, like you said, the concert reenactment footage of just him being great in the 80s. That's basically what it seems like it's going to be.

54:14And I'm just curious for how good the kid Jafar will be because of the clips I've seen. He looks pretty good. All right. I also mentioned Raw going to the break. I took no pleasure when I started getting tweets from people on Monday night as I was flying back going, oh, my God, you were right about EOS Sky. first of all i wasn't talking about eoskai specifically yes it was that moment in which i was worried about eoskai i meant my concern about dives in general then when i got back and saw eos uh dive on monday i just it was even worse than the week before yeah yeah it was that it was way worse than the one that you commented on and thankfully she finished the match as she walked no problem we hope every dive ends like that where she can do what she needs to do with no problems everybody everybody takes a dive i but but i'm telling you if for anybody out there you cannot land that way on any with any sort of regularity you can't and if that's on the table in a real way like you shouldn't do it in fact i'm just having this thought now sg i think one of the reasons i ended up making fun this is the early days probably of you joining the podcast but you'll remember it i think one of the reasons i used to sort of tease daniel brian which i know is hilarious because he's one of the greatest ever but i think one of the reasons i would tease daniel brian about the dive and call it a flying push is because he started to do it more safely yeah and so he he made sure that his dive rather than being a missile down was really him kind of flying up into the person for that and i'm so and then he lands on his feet and then he lands on his feet and then he lands on his feet i want to ask him that i i'm very curious because i i feel like there was a notable change from the way he did it and and and anyways please just everyone be i i know it was easy to clown me for that and everyone has fun again internet group think Rosenberg's an idiot don't tell people what to do bro I can't even tell you how many dives were at Wrestlemania I can tell you one thing though no one gave a shit when they happened that's what I can tell you no one in the crowd went oh dive nope that didn't happen I can tell you the spots when they oot and odd as you don't think one of them was a regular traditional dive not one not one so i will say and i will say this yes definitely please be safe we don't want to see anybody be injured in fact we we've ringing the alarm bells because we want them to continue to do this safely um or not do it at all yes um yeah when you brought up raw i thought you were going to go straight to the closing segment and what i listen wrestling fans and i'm guilty of this also and i'm to be guilty of it again momentarily.

57:16We do this thing where something happens and we're like, okay, and this is where it belongs in the annals. Greatest of all time, best ever. I believe Jacob Fatu's promo where he laid down the challenge and his reasons why, because he needs that title so his kids can get the big house and go to the good schools and he can take care of his family. That was his hard times. And if we don't take that promo and make sure that we set it next to the great promos from the greatest wrestlers of all time ever, we have failed Jacob Fatu because we've seen people - Strong take, SGG. We have seen people challenge for titles thousands of times and hardly ever has it been so grounded in reality and something that you can feel and you can sink your teeth into as I love my family I love you but I I need to take care of my mind with this and that's how we do it and Maya is about to put her ones up Maya ones up Nat you can't force her to do it Maya you want to put your ones up listen if that's how we get it done we've got to get it done But SGG was a great – it was a really great promo by Jacob.

58:36I don't want that title. I need that title. Yeah. No, it was fire. All right, we're almost out of time. Let's go to Chris real quick. On Seth Gunther, what do you got, Chris? Hey, guys. Thanks for having me on. Happy Friday to you. You too. So here's kind of the issue I have with Rollins Gunther. You know, as a wrestling fan, I like AEW, WWE. I like the entertainment. I like the in-ring stuff. So I think you said it, Rosenberg, before WrestleMania, you said, hey, this match is for the sickos, for lack of a better word, the real wrestling fans, right? So I was expecting bell to bell to get something approaching, like a four or five star classic match, right, with no BS involved.

59:20So what do they do? They start throwing chairs at ringside before the bell rings, like they've been shooting for months and it's a blood feud. And then what happens? Bron Breaker, who, if he's cleared, why isn't he wrestling set at WrestleMania, but that's another story, he interferes in the match. So to me, it took away what that match was supposed to do. That was the one match that I was hoping would just be, I could watch it bell to bell five years from now and just say that was a great match. Instead, I don't know what they were thinking. I'm sorry. You watched it home, right, Chris? It could have been so much better.

59:53What? You watched it home, right, Chris? Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just asking because good call. Thank you, man. We appreciate it. I hear you. If Braun was cleared, there is a conversation about, well, then why didn't we just make the match like a week out and they do it? I hear you. Fair point. I guess for some reason that wasn't possible. I was in the building. In the building. And again, this doesn't mean that you're wrong about your take on TV, though I don't agree with his overall assessment of it. in the building, man, the way that crowd went on a journey through that match, I walked away and was like, oh, that's a classic.

1:00:31Literally, I'm just listening to the crowd, the, oh, down, up, down. It was just really awesome. I hear what you're putting together for that criticism, but I just didn't view it that way. That's really interesting. I thought it was a match that Sickos, for lack of a better word, would love. Maya, how old are you? Maya, how old are you? Put your ones up. I'm working on this Roman Reigns one. She's not doing it today. Guys, subscribe to the podcast, GP Live, wherever you find podcasts. Thanks to Sumu. Thanks to Zach, SGG. I'll catch you guys next week. Dip will be back, too. Have a great weekend.

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